The Great America Show - MARXISTS ARE POWER MAD

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being with us.

00:00:08.260 The Marxist-run New York Times may be finally discovering at least a sense,

00:00:13.300 a slight sense of right and wrong. The newspaper over the weekend finally acknowledged that two

00:00:20.360 IRS whistleblowers who came forward against the Biden Department of Justice

00:00:24.800 and David Weiss's five-year-long investigation of Hunter Biden are credible sources. How about

00:00:32.980 that? The Times also acknowledged that the Department of Justice was fully ready to let

00:00:38.520 Hunter Biden off the hook until Gary Shapely and Joseph Ziegler, both IRS agents, emerged to tell

00:00:47.640 the truth. Despite their courageous testimony and their public statements exposing the DOJ,

00:00:53.620 the Biden DOJ still tried to give Hunter Biden not only that sweetheart plea deal, but also

00:01:01.260 absolute blanket immunity. Can you imagine? And then the corrupt Department of Justice outdid

00:01:08.600 themselves, appointing the architect of that sweetheart deal none other than U.S. Attorney

00:01:14.920 David Weiss as special counsel. But wait, there's more. According to today's Washington Post,

00:01:22.840 Weiss has had close ties to the Biden family for more than 10 years. Weiss even worked closely with

00:01:30.860 Hunter's deceased brother, Bo, back when Bo was the attorney general of the state of Delaware.

00:01:37.400 Notice the Marxist national corporate media did not report that throughout the five-year-long

00:01:43.980 investigation and plea negotiations. IRS criminal supervisory special agent, and now IRS whistleblower,

00:01:52.480 Gary Shapely told CNN last week that special counsel David Weiss is not to be trusted. Shapely says Weiss

00:02:02.400 is not independent, that he will give Hunter Biden preferential treatment once again.

00:02:08.820 The reason why we came forward, especially Ziegler and I, was because we saw things in this investigation

00:02:14.560 investigation that we had not seen in our history with the IRS criminal investigation. And it just

00:02:20.440 demanded that we come forward or we wouldn't be meeting our oath of office. So the announcement

00:02:24.680 today, you know, really vindicated special agent Ziegler and I coming forward. And because some of

00:02:31.020 these issues that were basically admitted to today were the crux of why we came forward. So when Attorney

00:02:38.480 General Garland comes today, comes forward today, and what he did is he admitted that the American

00:02:45.260 people were misled by what DOJ continually told them about this investigation. And so, you know,

00:02:54.260 it is what it is. You know, you ask for a special counsel and you get it. But I don't, you know,

00:02:59.180 the most important thing is that the American people have confidence in this investigation and

00:03:04.120 and that they know that each person is treated the same under the law. And I don't know how DOJ

00:03:11.760 can conclude that United States Attorney Weiss has that confidence in the American people and that

00:03:17.600 this special counsel appointment is really going to resolve any issues. And while David Weiss has begun

00:03:24.160 his job as special counsel, Hunter Biden's attorneys have taken their next steps to give Hunter Biden

00:03:30.000 another sweetheart deal. The New York Times reporting that Hunter Biden's attorneys are pushing the Biden

00:03:36.720 Department of Justice to prosecute those two IRS whistleblowers for sharing information with the

00:03:43.620 U.S. Congress. Now, isn't that outrageous? This is outright intimidation of witnesses. It's retribution

00:03:50.940 against those IRS whistleblowers and corrupt collusion at the highest level of government.

00:03:57.000 Absolutely brazen criminality and abuse of power. This is only the latest effort by Biden's

00:04:04.960 attorneys to shut down the investigation. New documents reveal that in an October 31st memo,

00:04:12.060 Hunter attorney Chris Clark, in his efforts for a sweetheart plea deal, threatened David Weiss

00:04:18.620 what would happen if a plea deal wasn't reached. Quote,

00:04:22.480 President Biden now unquestionably would be a fact witness for the defense in any criminal trial.

00:04:30.940 This, of all cases, justifies neither the spectacle of a sitting president testifying

00:04:36.560 at a criminal trial, nor the potential for a resulting constitutional crisis. End quote.

00:04:44.080 Does that sound like a threat? It's now clear at that point the fix was definitely in.

00:04:50.020 Weiss and the DOJ would do all they could to protect Hunter Biden and his family of crooks.

00:04:56.320 And it wasn't until Judge Mary Ellen Norieka intervened to shut down that sweetheart plea deal

00:05:02.740 that it all unraveled. As I said earlier, the New York Times may be finally discovering,

00:05:10.220 in ever so slight a margin, the difference between right and wrong. Even CNN is beginning to retreat

00:05:17.960 from some of its Marxist-dem propaganda. CNN's Jake Tapper, after almost four years,

00:05:24.320 finally admitted what he had to have known all along, that President Trump was right and that

00:05:30.220 Joe Biden was a liar, acknowledging the facts that Hunter Biden made millions from foreign countries.

00:05:37.360 Glenn Kessler from The Washington Post had a fact check about Joe Biden from earlier this month,

00:05:43.100 noting that Hunter Biden admitted in court in July that he was, in fact, paid substantial sums

00:05:49.340 from Chinese companies. Kessler wrote, Hunter Biden reported nearly $2.4 million in income

00:05:54.180 in 2017 and $2.2 million in income in 2018, most of which came from Chinese or Ukrainian interests.

00:06:00.700 And this directly goes against what Joe Biden said in the debate in 2020 with Donald Trump.

00:06:07.620 Take a listen. My son has not made money in terms of this thing about, what are you talking about?

00:06:15.460 China. None of that is true. He made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow, and various other

00:06:22.800 places. So it's from two different debates, but I mean, Trump was right. I mean, he did make a fortune

00:06:30.040 from China and Joe Biden was wrong. That may just be a start for Jake Tapper because he fails to admit

00:06:36.880 what else President Trump was right about. He was right on Russia and Ukraine. He was right on Biden

00:06:43.500 depleting our oil stocks and driving gasoline prices through the roof. He was right on Afghanistan.

00:06:50.620 He was right on putting tariffs on China. He was right about the Biden family corruption and Joe Biden's

00:06:58.420 compromise position. And the list goes on. And he was perhaps most importantly right that the Marxist

00:07:06.180 stems and the deep state stole the 2020 election from him. Among all those things Trump got right

00:07:14.040 was the hoax of global warming and not caving to the Marxist left's fear-mongering that the world is

00:07:19.920 on fire. President Biden spent the weekend at billionaire businessman Tom Steyer's house in Lake Tahoe

00:07:27.720 before departing yesterday to finally survey, after almost two weeks, the island of Maui,

00:07:33.760 devastated by the wildfires. And it wasn't long before he was called upon by the far-left climate

00:07:40.100 groups to declare a national climate emergency, a declaration that would give Biden broad powers,

00:07:47.520 a dictatorship, if you will. Dictatorship-like powers certainly to come after anything he deems a

00:07:53.720 threat to climate change. He could come after your car, your gas stove, your cows, you name it.

00:07:59.100 And don't doubt, these totalitarian Marxist Dems are ginning up their climate change propaganda,

00:08:06.100 and it will be another trillion-dollar heist, at least, paid for by, of course, our tax dollars,

00:08:12.880 the pseudoscience they manufacture for their propaganda. Well, it's priceless.

00:08:17.860 I want to bring in our guest today. She's Dr. Judith Curry, esteemed earth and atmospheric

00:08:23.260 scientist and best-selling author. The title, Climate Uncertainty and Risk. Professor Judith

00:08:29.920 Curry, great to have you with us here. I'm delighted to join you today. You've written over 180 scientific

00:08:36.540 papers. You've written textbooks. It's just extraordinary, your background and your views.

00:08:43.960 And now you're in the battle, the battle over climate change, global warming, whatever you want

00:08:53.660 to call it. And everyone seems to, and many of them know, know, most, nearly every one of them

00:09:01.580 doesn't have your standing in terms of knowledge or experience with the issue. Give us your idea of

00:09:10.300 why, first of all, there is this, what I think is an idiotic contest over what is something called

00:09:18.080 climate change and the policies that are, to me, absurdly being followed without clear understanding

00:09:25.660 of what the heck these politicians are talking about. Well, the political horse, or the political

00:09:33.880 cart has been way out in front of the scientific horse on this issue for many decades. It goes

00:09:40.280 back to the 1980s when the UN Environmental Program was looking for an issue to advance its globalist

00:09:49.660 kind of agenda. And they seized on global warming as the desired vehicle. Back in 1992, the UN Framework

00:10:00.440 Convention on Climate Change had a treaty that 196 countries signed on to, including the U.S., to avoid

00:10:12.360 dangerous anthropogenic climate change. Okay, this was before there was any evidence of warming or that

00:10:19.720 warming was dangerous or that it could be avoided. But we had this international treaty. Okay, and then

00:10:26.240 this then torqued all the science and everything towards finding evidence to support dangerous

00:10:34.480 anthropogenic climate change. Nobody was paying attention to the benefits of warming. Nobody was

00:10:41.240 looking at natural climate variability. And all of this then just mushroomed, you know, a bunch of

00:10:48.960 political economic motivations just got into a line and has brought us to this place where we think that

00:11:01.280 we can prevent bad weather by getting rid of fossil fuels, which is a fairly ludicrous notion.

00:11:07.040 And there's a commitment to it. And the Biden administration right now talking about they're going to have to

00:11:14.120 use executive orders. They're going to have to rule by fiat so that we are being climate responsibility as

00:11:22.100 a nation, ignoring India, ignoring China, and most of the Western world, certainly, as they do so.

00:11:31.420 There is a madness that has taken over the Marxist left in this country, and frankly, around the world,

00:11:40.660 obviously. But right now, this is a country really playing with the idea of self-destruction economically

00:11:49.620 and societally. Because if we get rid of fossil fuels, we follow the schedule that these ideologues put us on.

00:11:59.300 I don't see anything but economic disaster waiting for us. Do you?

00:12:05.460 No. You know, if we were, you know, there's nothing wrong with trying to improve the, you know,

00:12:12.380 our overall energy infrastructure to meet the challenges of the 21st century with research and

00:12:18.620 development and to new technologies, things like that. But this mad rush to destroy our established

00:12:25.360 energy infrastructure and replace it with wind and solar, which are a complete disaster for our power

00:12:32.920 system is just a very huge mistake. Joe Biden thinks that he can control the climate by getting rid of

00:12:42.080 CO2 emissions. I mean, and he can't. I mean, nobody can. He's just that there's so much

00:12:50.680 mischaracterization of what the actual risk is, you know, from warming. And it's certainly not

00:12:57.760 extreme weather events. There's no evidence that those are worse. They were actually in the U.S.

00:13:03.280 they were actually worse in the 1930s. I mean, what we're getting from this low creep of warming is a

00:13:10.300 small amount of sea level rise and some melting of glaciers. I mean, these are very, you know, slow

00:13:16.980 happening kind of processes. But, you know, this hype of extreme weather events as being caused by

00:13:27.220 burning of fossil fuels is just ludicrous. And even the U.N. scientific assessment reports on climate

00:13:36.540 admit that there's no particular relationship between these extreme weather events and the fossil

00:13:44.660 fueled warming. So it's just stupidity all around. Yes, stupidity all around. I think that we should

00:13:52.780 make that a motto right now for the United States government, because we're looking at these 800

00:13:59.860 fires. Here we are in mid-August, 800 fires in Canada that have brought unprecedented disastrous air

00:14:09.780 quality to the United States. Air quality seems to be a misnomer. It should be awful air. We've never

00:14:17.700 experienced this, to my knowledge, in our country's history. We have air that in many places and for

00:14:24.900 many days over this summer, and it's likely to continue, we're told, the air was unbreathable.

00:14:32.160 And we're supposed to be the country that created clean air and clean water. We have neither right

00:14:40.040 now. Not a good thing. I mean, you know, real pollution, pollution of the air, water, and soils,

00:14:48.920 that's something we should worry about. But this focus on climate change and CO2, which isn't particularly

00:14:56.000 harmful. Carbon dioxide, you know, is very misleading. I mean, the forest fires in Canada

00:15:03.280 were, you know, a big anomaly. Bad forest management, they really don't have the same

00:15:09.780 kind of capabilities for firefighting that we do in the U.S. You know, there's a whole lot and some

00:15:16.120 unfortunate weather patterns that just brought all that mucky smoke down to the U.S. But if you look

00:15:24.100 back into the early 20th century and the 19th century, the forest fires were horrendous. And

00:15:33.960 if you were out west, that was just the dominant aspect of the climate, that there was smoke

00:15:38.600 everywhere. You know, it's just, you know, happens when you have forests that aren't managed. And

00:15:46.480 they were far worse. We've made them less damaging, you know, in the 20th century by trying to control

00:15:56.820 them. Now we realize that we've overdone it and that we have too much wood and there's sort of a

00:16:04.360 forest fire deficit and we need to figure out how to deal with it. But, you know, they've always

00:16:10.660 happened. They always will happen. We just need to figure out how to better predict them and manage

00:16:16.380 them. Well, I grew up out west where forest fires were common. As a matter of fact, they were

00:16:22.320 routine. And we had great young people or smoke jumpers and they're diving out of airplanes.

00:16:29.660 And I envied them greatly. I wanted to do that. But I had a different job to do. I had to work on a

00:16:36.780 farm and make some money. But I admire those smoke jumpers. And we've got all sorts of folks still

00:16:45.380 in this country who make a living working for the Forest Service, fighting fires and volunteers.

00:16:51.680 This president didn't even mention the forest fires and maybe putting them out. Maybe we talk if you

00:16:57.060 could ever get Justin Trudeau's attention long enough, we could have helped out. I think we sent

00:17:03.280 something like 800 people up there. That's not much good one person per fire to stop it.

00:17:10.100 But no one wants to talk about air quality. They don't want to talk about what is happening

00:17:14.820 in real time, which are carcinogens in our water. And it is a desperately serious health hazard right

00:17:22.660 now that people will ultimately be they will they will have illness and many of them will die.

00:17:29.200 And we're not even talking about well water. We're not talking about public water systems. We're not

00:17:35.440 talking about basic clean air and clean, clean water. And as you say, clean soil. Good Lord knows who

00:17:43.720 knows what we've put into our soil with all of the pesticides and and artificial fertilizers. Your thoughts?

00:17:53.280 Well, you know, we're, you know, by blaming everything on fossil fuel global warming, we avoid paying attention to the real cause of our problems. The fires in Hawaii and on Maui. Okay, that was a crazy tragedy, but it was predicted, you know, many days in advance saying, look, you're going to have extreme winds and it's dry and it's hot. These are recipes for the

00:18:23.260 for fire weather. You know, watch out. They didn't really pay attention to those warnings. Their, their siren warning systems didn't work. The electric utilities didn't shut down the power when the winds got high and you ended up with this complete catastrophe.

00:18:41.260 And so what does the governor of Hawaii blame all that on? Well, he blames it on fossil fuel warming, which, which basically had nothing to do with it. So, so it's a crutch that politicians use to avoid having to confront their bad policy decisions and bad infrastructure decisions that have led to these problems.

00:19:07.260 You know, our hearts go out to the, to the people of Maui, the state of Hawaii. It horrible tragedy and devastating. And like California, a couple of years ago, the public utilities have a lot to answer for, because they understand that a lot of their power lines can, can either start or help fires that are already underway.

00:19:35.260 And it looks like we've seen that happen again here and blaming climate change, especially when you live on an island in a, in a state in which volcanoes are in, it seems a state of constant eruption is sort of bizarre because nothing can keep up with the ash and the gases that those volcanoes produce.

00:19:59.260 Including fossil fuels, including fossil fuels, as they make their way from island to island there in Hawaii.

00:20:06.260 We are talking with Dr. Judith Curry. She is a brilliant climate scientist.

00:20:12.160 She is a PhD in atmospheric science from the university of Chicago.

00:20:19.760 She has a great new book called climate uncertainty and risk.

00:20:24.460 Rethinking our response.

00:20:26.460 We'll be back with Dr.

00:20:27.860 Curry in just one moment.

00:20:29.160 Please stay with us.

00:20:30.200 We're back with Dr.

00:20:37.660 Curry.

00:20:38.040 Her book is climate uncertainty and risk.

00:20:40.840 Rethinking our response.

00:20:43.620 Dr.

00:20:44.340 Curry,

00:20:45.200 world leaders have made a lot of statements about climate change.

00:20:50.880 Joe Biden,

00:20:51.800 for example,

00:20:52.360 saying it's the greatest challenge to mankind in the history of the world.

00:20:56.660 And that's one of the things I really admire about our puppet president,

00:21:00.060 his sense of hyperbole.

00:21:02.340 Your thoughts about what we face from climate change.

00:21:08.200 Okay.

00:21:08.880 Well,

00:21:09.060 the climate crisis isn't what it used to be only a few years ago.

00:21:15.280 Even the UN has now recognized that those extreme emissions scenarios about how much we're going to produce in the future

00:21:25.560 that could lead to eight,

00:21:27.980 nine,

00:21:28.380 10 degrees Fahrenheit of warming by 2100.

00:21:31.660 Well,

00:21:31.820 those emissions scenarios are now off the table and they're now talking about,

00:21:36.620 you know,

00:21:37.720 significantly less amount of warming and also the sensitivity of the climate to increasing CO2.

00:21:47.620 Our estimates of that are becoming lower.

00:21:50.220 So,

00:21:50.660 so this little crisis is,

00:21:52.160 is being,

00:21:52.900 you know,

00:21:54.020 diminished.

00:21:54.680 And,

00:21:55.120 you know,

00:21:55.240 at this point we've already warmed by 1.2 degrees centigrade.

00:22:00.480 I hate to switch temperature units on you.

00:22:03.980 How much is that in Fahrenheit?

00:22:05.920 You double it.

00:22:06.840 Okay.

00:22:07.140 So,

00:22:07.400 so let's say it's,

00:22:09.520 it's two and a half degrees Fahrenheit.

00:22:11.800 I'll,

00:22:12.200 I'll try to convert on the fly in my head.

00:22:15.060 So we've already,

00:22:16.060 I think for most of us laymen to,

00:22:18.620 you know,

00:22:19.180 if we're close enough within a half degree,

00:22:21.060 we'll be all right.

00:22:22.620 Yeah.

00:22:23.340 Right.

00:22:23.700 And so they're talking about,

00:22:25.540 you know,

00:22:26.400 at most another two,

00:22:29.080 maybe three degrees Fahrenheit warming by the end of the 21st century.

00:22:34.340 I mean,

00:22:34.940 you would think that that would be great news,

00:22:37.140 but no,

00:22:38.100 we now have code red and global warming,

00:22:41.360 global boiling.

00:22:42.180 What they're doing is hyping up all these extreme weather events as

00:22:46.620 evidence,

00:22:47.620 you know,

00:22:48.440 of this crisis and of this boiling when even the UN assessment

00:22:54.320 reports acknowledge that there's little evidence and little

00:22:58.840 confidence that these extreme weather events are caused by the

00:23:03.440 fossil fuel warming.

00:23:04.180 So it's just all very misleading trying to spur action for this

00:23:10.360 particular policy solution of replacing fossil fuel power plants with

00:23:16.420 wind and solar.

00:23:18.360 And when I look at these huge mills,

00:23:24.300 windmills sitting out in the ocean,

00:23:26.260 killing birds and whales and whatever,

00:23:31.920 I am absolutely,

00:23:33.760 it's abhorrent.

00:23:35.200 It's outrageous as,

00:23:37.120 and we're at different,

00:23:38.540 you know,

00:23:39.060 American eagles,

00:23:40.820 bald eagles being killed by the dozens,

00:23:43.400 by these,

00:23:44.560 these factories of windmills in the West in particular.

00:23:49.800 And I'm personally just not willing to give up to that kind of

00:23:54.880 technology that destroys our wildlife.

00:23:57.300 I'm just not.

00:23:58.300 What about you?

00:23:59.660 It's especially crazy because in the 1970s,

00:24:03.420 which was the big growth period for the environmental advocacy groups,

00:24:08.380 remember,

00:24:09.020 save the whales.

00:24:10.360 I mean,

00:24:10.860 that was a big,

00:24:11.700 big mantra.

00:24:13.260 And now you have all these whales washing up on the Atlantic coast that are

00:24:19.340 dead.

00:24:21.700 It's hard to believe that that doesn't have anything to do with all the

00:24:24.780 construction activity offshore as they try to install these wind turbines.

00:24:30.360 I mean,

00:24:30.640 you've inspired me.

00:24:31.720 We're going,

00:24:32.120 we're going to come up with a new mantra on this.

00:24:34.400 We were going to give full credit to the,

00:24:36.220 to the Marxist left in this country,

00:24:38.060 whose new mantra is kill the whales,

00:24:41.500 kill the birds,

00:24:42.400 you know,

00:24:43.260 kill America.

00:24:44.140 I mean,

00:24:44.620 that's what they're really trying to do.

00:24:46.840 And it is so a kill science,

00:24:49.220 kill reason,

00:24:50.620 but I mean,

00:24:53.440 the whole environmental agenda for protecting ecosystems and clean water and

00:24:58.560 clean air has been usurped by the climate change,

00:25:03.000 CO2 agenda.

00:25:04.140 And we're actually,

00:25:05.840 and the solutions,

00:25:07.260 I mean,

00:25:08.260 are damaging to the environment.

00:25:10.120 They're damaging to,

00:25:11.140 to the economy.

00:25:13.020 I mean,

00:25:13.760 they're damaging to our security.

00:25:15.580 I mean,

00:25:16.420 the good news is that as they try to add more and more wind and solar to the power grids,

00:25:22.700 it's the,

00:25:24.120 the idiocy of that solution is going to becoming more apparent.

00:25:28.620 South Australia is probably the furthest along in terms of trying to operate their entire electric power systems on wind and solar.

00:25:39.780 They don't even have much hydropower and they're running into all sorts of problems.

00:25:44.540 And they're having to develop all these extremely expensive fixes to the system,

00:25:52.920 adding synchronous condensers and on and on it goes.

00:25:56.420 And that they have some of the most expensive electricity in the world.

00:26:02.040 So people who say that wind and solar is free.

00:26:05.340 Oh boy,

00:26:06.160 the infrastructure surrounding all that to try to get usable wind and solar power is extremely expensive.

00:26:14.540 And not at this point,

00:26:17.280 not technically very robust,

00:26:19.160 you know,

00:26:20.140 we're risking outages and unreliability.

00:26:23.060 Who needs that?

00:26:24.760 Well,

00:26:25.340 you know,

00:26:25.560 you,

00:26:25.880 you mentioned the 1992 treaty and the United nations,

00:26:30.680 a problem about man-made climate change before there was any science to even suggest it,

00:26:36.940 let alone establishment,

00:26:38.540 establishment establish it even questionably establish it the left wants to replace trees.

00:26:45.460 It seems with,

00:26:47.100 with solar panels,

00:26:48.140 they want to put up windmills instead of fossil fuel.

00:26:54.780 Why isn't anyone worrying about,

00:26:56.600 for example,

00:26:57.120 how we just dispose of all of these batteries that we are using up for electric cars and other purposes?

00:27:05.340 There is an ecological,

00:27:08.060 to me,

00:27:08.840 it seems a huge ecological break here that is,

00:27:13.560 that's rising to the level of psychotic.

00:27:16.660 Oh yeah,

00:27:17.580 there's a huge waste problem.

00:27:19.400 There's a huge massive resource use to lots of mining that needs to be done for all these rare earth minerals that are needed.

00:27:31.600 And these are,

00:27:33.860 and they really destroy the land.

00:27:37.020 We don't want to do that in the U S because it would mess up our land far better for poor countries in Africa to do it.

00:27:44.020 Who cares about their land?

00:27:45.620 Excuse me.

00:27:47.780 Exactly.

00:27:48.640 And by the way,

00:27:49.120 we just,

00:27:49.660 you know,

00:27:50.180 I think it was in Ohio or Michigan where they just approved a Chinese battery plant for crying out loud in this country.

00:27:58.460 That's the level of psychotic break I'm talking about in the body politic in our society.

00:28:04.680 And certainly on the far left,

00:28:06.720 that seems to have no understanding of national security advantages or strategic opportunities that should be American,

00:28:16.760 not Chinese,

00:28:17.980 but we're looking at another.

00:28:21.060 Go ahead.

00:28:21.560 I'm sorry.

00:28:21.820 Okay.

00:28:22.400 Yeah.

00:28:22.500 Well,

00:28:22.620 if we're going to move away from fossil fuels and,

00:28:25.740 you know,

00:28:25.940 when you think about the 22nd century,

00:28:29.560 we're probably not going to be burning fossil fuels in the way that we are now,

00:28:33.780 but,

00:28:34.640 you know,

00:28:34.980 the sensible answers are nuclear power and geothermal.

00:28:39.260 And who's talking about them?

00:28:41.940 Well,

00:28:42.040 next to nobody.

00:28:42.880 And in the U S I mean,

00:28:45.000 other countries can build nuclear power plants on the timescale of years,

00:28:51.040 but in the U S with all the regulatory constraints,

00:28:54.740 it takes decades and billions of dollars to build a new nuclear power plant.

00:29:01.060 We need to get over that.

00:29:03.140 I mean,

00:29:03.380 nuclear power is a really good power source.

00:29:05.800 It's clean.

00:29:06.440 It's reliable,

00:29:07.140 has minimal environmental impact.

00:29:10.600 And what do you do with the waste product?

00:29:12.040 Oh my God.

00:29:13.560 There isn't.

00:29:15.000 I have to say to you,

00:29:16.600 I'm one of those people in my youth.

00:29:19.280 I actually reported every day on things.

00:29:22.000 And one of the things that I reported on,

00:29:24.720 unfortunately was nuclear storage areas like Hanford,

00:29:30.100 Washington,

00:29:30.760 for example,

00:29:32.120 where I mean,

00:29:34.240 there's every,

00:29:35.720 every kind of isotope around buried deep.

00:29:39.560 And by the way,

00:29:40.340 about 150 feet from the water table that leads into the Columbia river.

00:29:45.440 And when people say that they,

00:29:48.080 and as you just did,

00:29:49.360 that the idea is by golly,

00:29:51.260 let's go get some nuclear power.

00:29:53.200 I'll stick with fossil.

00:29:55.040 Thank you very much,

00:29:55.840 doctor,

00:29:56.260 because I know what the challenge is there.

00:29:59.940 Look at Fukushima in,

00:30:04.340 in,

00:30:04.520 in Japan,

00:30:06.260 we are dumping millions,

00:30:09.340 tens of millions of gallons of radioactive water into the Pacific.

00:30:12.900 They're still a decade later.

00:30:14.760 Well,

00:30:16.180 there are much,

00:30:17.620 much better ways to manage the waste from nuclear power plants.

00:30:22.640 And a lot of the fuel can now be reused.

00:30:25.920 You can actually reuse the fuel.

00:30:28.620 There are better ways of burying this and big casks,

00:30:32.560 cement casts that are well underground away from whatever they might damage,

00:30:38.880 including water tables.

00:30:40.060 So there are ways of managing,

00:30:42.120 you know,

00:30:42.460 that things have changed a lot from the early decades when we didn't manage our

00:30:48.580 nuclear waste so well.

00:30:49.860 So this is something that can easily be managed and there's new technologies

00:30:54.640 right now.

00:30:55.740 You know,

00:30:56.380 the water cool technology means you have to put them on the coast.

00:31:00.260 So you use the ocean water to,

00:31:02.800 for cooling and that makes them vulnerable to hurricanes and tsunamis and

00:31:06.420 whatever.

00:31:06.820 But now there are other ways of cooling the nuclear power plants that don't

00:31:11.960 rely on water.

00:31:13.060 So there are new technologies that make this so much safer and

00:31:17.940 environmentally sound.

00:31:19.420 So I think people need to take another look at nuclear.

00:31:22.720 That's my opinion.

00:31:24.660 If you mean by people,

00:31:26.340 you mean me,

00:31:27.620 doctor,

00:31:27.980 I'll do just that.

00:31:29.360 I'll take a look.

00:31:30.000 You're not the only one.

00:31:30.600 You're not the only one that has that attitude.

00:31:33.920 Okay.

00:31:34.200 Well,

00:31:34.440 it's,

00:31:34.740 it's more than an attitude.

00:31:35.920 Mine is a science based opinion.

00:31:38.000 If you must,

00:31:39.240 maybe not for the latest technologies.

00:31:43.080 That's,

00:31:43.480 that's my point.

00:31:45.420 Well,

00:31:46.020 I guarantee you,

00:31:46.780 we'll be back to talk about this.

00:31:48.480 I'd love the opportunity.

00:31:50.560 We're going to take a quick break here.

00:31:54.120 We're talking with Judith Curry.

00:31:56.220 Dr.

00:31:56.560 Curry is a hoot to talk with.

00:31:58.960 I'm really enjoying this conversation and she is bringing,

00:32:02.380 I hope everyone right up to date on the,

00:32:04.580 the madness,

00:32:05.680 the idiocy of the far left in this country and their ideological,

00:32:09.700 uh,

00:32:10.780 cult that is centered on climate change and global warming.

00:32:17.120 We'll be right back with Dr.

00:32:18.580 Curry.

00:32:24.840 We're back with Dr.

00:32:26.240 Curry.

00:32:26.680 And I,

00:32:27.100 I just want to say,

00:32:27.840 doctor,

00:32:28.340 I,

00:32:28.740 uh,

00:32:29.700 to debate you on a nuclear fuel,

00:32:32.540 uh,

00:32:33.160 is something that we should talk about,

00:32:34.780 uh,

00:32:35.380 you know,

00:32:35.900 on a more extensive basis here.

00:32:37.940 And I hope you'll come back in the weeks or months,

00:32:40.160 uh,

00:32:40.540 that you'll find some opportunity to do that with us.

00:32:43.360 Uh,

00:32:44.000 the left,

00:32:44.520 it seems pretty clear right now,

00:32:46.260 uh,

00:32:47.040 is,

00:32:47.760 has taken on climate change,

00:32:49.280 uh,

00:32:49.920 as a sort of a build a cult around it.

00:32:52.340 It's a religion.

00:32:53.040 Uh,

00:32:53.800 and,

00:32:54.200 and by the way,

00:32:54.720 the result is you intimated,

00:32:56.360 uh,

00:32:57.000 has meant a huge windfall,

00:32:58.900 a big financial economic windfall for China,

00:33:02.420 which continues to just spew petrochemicals into the air,

00:33:06.440 uh,

00:33:07.120 and every kind of carbon,

00:33:08.820 uh,

00:33:10.220 and the,

00:33:11.420 and frankly,

00:33:11.900 the idiot class in this country,

00:33:13.500 uh,

00:33:14.180 continues to,

00:33:15.220 uh,

00:33:15.660 insist that no matter the facts,

00:33:18.220 the,

00:33:18.500 the consequences,

00:33:19.660 we're going to go to green energy,

00:33:22.400 whatever the hell that means.

00:33:23.900 Your thoughts,

00:33:24.520 doctor.

00:33:25.640 Well,

00:33:26.260 we have to figure out,

00:33:28.600 you know,

00:33:28.780 once you do a complete,

00:33:30.160 um,

00:33:30.900 and,

00:33:31.220 you know,

00:33:31.500 assessment of all the different types of sources of power and,

00:33:38.280 you know,

00:33:38.580 their land use,

00:33:39.600 their resource use,

00:33:40.880 their costs,

00:33:41.700 their reliability on and on it goes,

00:33:44.720 there's no simple,

00:33:46.480 obvious answers.

00:33:48.200 I mean,

00:33:48.440 geothermal,

00:33:49.120 I think is one that we need to pay more attention to.

00:33:52.000 And it seems like a particularly good source for the West,

00:33:54.900 but in the near term,

00:33:56.600 I mean,

00:33:57.000 natural gas and oil,

00:33:59.780 I mean,

00:34:00.860 are,

00:34:00.980 are good solutions.

00:34:02.100 I mean,

00:34:02.720 coal is definitely dirtier and it's much harder on the environment to mine,

00:34:07.820 but there are still some,

00:34:09.900 you know,

00:34:10.860 for smelting and iron ore and all that.

00:34:14.220 Coal is really the best solution right now.

00:34:16.860 So we're,

00:34:17.860 we're by no means ready to transition away from fossil fuels.

00:34:22.920 Like I said before,

00:34:24.140 if you look ahead to the 22nd century,

00:34:27.380 I don't make,

00:34:28.480 you know,

00:34:29.180 hopefully we'll have better solutions,

00:34:31.100 but we certainly don't right now,

00:34:32.800 at least that we can implement at scale and certainly not on a short time scale.

00:34:38.240 So we just need to get over this,

00:34:41.080 this crazy urgent transition away from fossil fuels.

00:34:46.200 It's going to be very damaging to the countries that go after this aggressively.

00:34:52.540 We're already,

00:34:53.780 this particularly in Europe,

00:34:56.060 you know,

00:34:57.700 it's just not a good plan.

00:35:00.700 Right.

00:35:01.560 And,

00:35:02.260 and as we look at what is happening around the world,

00:35:07.480 the United States is not the world's worst,

00:35:11.120 if you will,

00:35:12.000 polluter in terms of greenhouse gases.

00:35:14.920 Explain to us,

00:35:15.940 because this is something that I'm fascinated with.

00:35:19.500 Carbon dioxide,

00:35:21.460 trees suck it up and spew out oxygen.

00:35:25.600 That seems to me like a very good cycle and natural,

00:35:31.200 if you will,

00:35:32.440 corrective mechanism for too much carbon dioxide,

00:35:36.540 I'd maybe plant a few more trees and gin up a little more oxygen.

00:35:40.860 Am I thinking of that too simplistically?

00:35:42.760 I know I'm saying it too simplistically.

00:35:44.680 Well,

00:35:45.020 that's certainly part of the equation.

00:35:46.860 You've actually seen a greening of the planet for the last several decades,

00:35:51.940 as you can see this from satellite.

00:35:55.480 You know,

00:35:55.740 the planet is greener and this is generally regarded as a good thing.

00:36:00.140 Okay.

00:36:01.360 Yay.

00:36:01.880 Yay.

00:36:02.200 Wait a minute.

00:36:02.520 I want to celebrate here.

00:36:04.160 Yay.

00:36:04.460 It's good.

00:36:05.300 It's good.

00:36:06.440 You know,

00:36:06.900 this is the weakest part of the whole argument that,

00:36:09.940 that warming is dangerous.

00:36:13.400 You know,

00:36:14.260 they,

00:36:15.000 most of the so-called dangers are thousands of local vulnerabilities that are revealed by extreme weather events.

00:36:26.280 I mean,

00:36:26.760 those are the dangers and it's not directly related to the warming other than the slow creep of sea level rise,

00:36:33.720 which in many places is slower than the actual sinking of the land due to geologic processes or groundwater withdrawals.

00:36:42.280 So,

00:36:43.340 you know,

00:36:44.440 this whole issue as to whether it's dangerous,

00:36:48.220 that's a whole,

00:36:49.380 that's an issue of values about which science has little to say.

00:36:53.600 And nobody's done a proper risk assessment of this whole thing,

00:36:58.160 looking at both the advantages and disadvantages in different regions.

00:37:04.600 I mean,

00:37:05.080 Canada and Siberia and Northern China,

00:37:08.940 I mean,

00:37:09.440 they think with warming they could become more productive agriculturally.

00:37:14.560 Nobody talks about that.

00:37:16.080 So this whole,

00:37:17.040 nobody's done a proper risk assessment of this whole thing.

00:37:20.460 And that's a major topic in my new book,

00:37:23.700 Climate Uncertainty and Risk.

00:37:25.720 Climate Uncertainty and Risk,

00:37:27.620 Rethinking Our Response,

00:37:30.340 Anthem Environment and Sustainability Initiative.

00:37:33.700 It's in paperback.

00:37:34.960 It's available for order,

00:37:36.800 of course,

00:37:37.220 on Amazon.

00:37:38.500 And we encourage you to pick up a copy.

00:37:42.100 We recommend Dr.

00:37:43.860 Curry's book to you highly.

00:37:45.480 The Climate Uncertainty and Risk,

00:37:47.720 the title,

00:37:48.600 Rethinking Our Response.

00:37:50.520 The left keeps stoking fear,

00:37:53.040 Dr.

00:37:53.300 Curry,

00:37:53.540 as you know,

00:37:53.960 especially in our children and children now are filing lawsuits in Montana

00:37:59.580 against public policy on climate change for crying out loud.

00:38:06.640 Now you were going to be,

00:38:08.520 I understand a expert witness in that trial.

00:38:12.120 Tell us what that's all about and how in the world children are winning lawsuits on climate change.

00:38:17.940 Okay.

00:38:20.200 Well,

00:38:20.800 last September,

00:38:22.420 I was brought into this case by the state of Montana's attorney office.

00:38:28.600 They asked me to serve as an expert witness.

00:38:31.560 They gave me a very quick deadline to write an expert report.

00:38:35.520 And then I was deposed in December.

00:38:39.940 The case is about there's an organization called Our Children's Trust,

00:38:47.800 which is suing governments,

00:38:50.740 say almost 10 years ago.

00:38:53.320 Now they put a lawsuit,

00:38:55.120 filed a lawsuit against the U.S.

00:38:56.980 government.

00:38:57.340 This was actually under the Obama administration,

00:38:59.980 trying to get them to change policies because,

00:39:03.760 you know,

00:39:04.640 the children have a right to a stable climate and a secure future.

00:39:08.600 And the children are under psychological stress,

00:39:14.780 depression because of climate change.

00:39:17.540 And we need to fix all that by stopping.

00:39:21.840 Wait a minute.

00:39:22.720 Are these the same people who are urging gender transformation with our children?

00:39:30.340 Is it a different group or is it the same part of the ideological spectrum?

00:39:35.740 Well,

00:39:37.380 not necessarily.

00:39:39.880 The plaintiffs,

00:39:41.120 they were in the Montana case.

00:39:43.660 They were,

00:39:44.180 I think about maybe 15 children and young adults who are native Americans who signed on to this lawsuit.

00:39:54.520 Obviously the children,

00:39:55.780 you know,

00:39:55.960 the younger ones,

00:39:57.160 you know,

00:39:57.900 it was mostly their parents involvement,

00:40:00.080 but several of them were on the stand during the trial.

00:40:05.600 They're admirable,

00:40:06.660 articulate,

00:40:07.300 young people,

00:40:09.860 but they've,

00:40:11.500 you know,

00:40:12.980 and they said,

00:40:13.800 they were saying,

00:40:14.860 oh,

00:40:15.000 well,

00:40:15.240 there was a big hail storm that damaged our crops.

00:40:20.100 And there was a forest fire that came close to our property and burned down my neighbor's barn.

00:40:27.080 And there was a heat wave and a drought that dried up the creek where we used to fish in.

00:40:33.700 And,

00:40:34.360 you know,

00:40:34.660 these are,

00:40:35.480 you know,

00:40:35.900 the traumatic events that these kids are facing.

00:40:40.220 And the point that I made in my testimony was that the weather in Montana during the 1930s was way worse than anything that we've seen during the lifetime of these kids.

00:40:54.200 And that their great grandparents,

00:40:56.600 you know,

00:40:57.280 suffered through all this bad weather without air conditioning,

00:41:01.000 without,

00:41:01.600 you know,

00:41:03.040 good infrastructure and so on.

00:41:05.200 And in some cases,

00:41:06.060 not even with grid electricity.

00:41:07.780 So it's just fairly ludicrous for them to think that this harm,

00:41:14.900 you know,

00:41:15.080 these bad weather events are caused by fossil fuel emissions.

00:41:18.380 And they're worried about their future.

00:41:20.600 Some of them were,

00:41:21.700 you know,

00:41:21.940 we have no future.

00:41:23.300 We're so depressed.

00:41:24.860 You know,

00:41:25.360 why should we even go to school if we have no future?

00:41:28.440 So they're genuinely depressed.

00:41:30.960 And I think it is real.

00:41:33.380 I mean,

00:41:33.660 it wasn't a game that they're playing.

00:41:35.580 And so what we have here is pre-traumatic stress syndrome,

00:41:40.340 whereby these kids are extremely worried about the future climate to the point where all this includes psychological injuries,

00:41:49.000 such as depression,

00:41:51.200 you know,

00:41:51.500 and even suicide in some young people.

00:41:54.860 And this is coming from the apocalyptic messaging that's targeted at children and young adults.

00:42:01.020 It's even worse than what we see as adults.

00:42:04.440 I mean,

00:42:04.640 this is in.

00:42:06.040 So you're saying,

00:42:07.600 if I may interrupt.

00:42:08.880 Yeah.

00:42:09.180 You're saying that the left wing groups who have assembled these children to sue states and other organizations,

00:42:18.500 I suppose on the claiming climate change is their fault and therefore they're entitled to some damages are who are the same people who are running commercials talking about what awful people Americans are because we have caused climate change because we have polluted with fossil fuels,

00:42:39.080 which arguably is a contribution to the ecology because it is after all carbon based and oh,

00:42:45.120 yes,

00:42:45.420 it does in time allow us to through our trees and our plant life create oxygen.

00:42:54.560 I mean,

00:42:55.380 why don't they sue the left wing groups who are creating all of this nonsense and propaganda that is obviously browbeating them to the point that they may have psychological problems?

00:43:06.920 Well,

00:43:08.720 you know,

00:43:08.900 all of this is part of the same ideological issue,

00:43:12.020 but the goal of our children's trusts are not seeking damage funding for damage.

00:43:17.940 They're looking to influence state and federal policy related to fossil fuels.

00:43:24.420 That's what their agenda is.

00:43:26.880 And but you're absolutely right.

00:43:28.440 If they were genuinely concerned about the psychological injuries to the young people,

00:43:34.460 they would be going after extinction rebellion and just stop oil and all these crazy groups who are scaring the bejesus out of these kids,

00:43:45.980 including teachers unions in the United States who are indoctrinating them with all sorts of nonsense,

00:43:52.700 including gender identity and transformation,

00:43:56.900 sex education,

00:43:58.960 all sorts of left wing nonsense that they blather in the classroom,

00:44:04.000 including CRT telling children of all races and ethnicities that the United States is a racist,

00:44:12.280 nasty place,

00:44:13.160 despite the fact that you're sitting in a public school classroom that's paid for by taxpayers,

00:44:18.640 which has always been the great equalizer in our society.

00:44:21.320 Thank you very much.

00:44:22.600 These teachers are ignorant left wing drugs as best I can see.

00:44:29.720 Well,

00:44:30.260 there's definitely problems in the schools,

00:44:32.300 but,

00:44:32.640 but back to the messaging to that the kids are getting.

00:44:37.140 So,

00:44:38.540 you know,

00:44:38.820 these activist communicators and educators are trying to spur action to eliminate fossil fuels,

00:44:44.820 and that they realize that the way to get to their parents is through the kids.

00:44:48.240 That's pretty clever.

00:44:49.660 However,

00:44:50.140 there's growing alarm among these climate activist communicators that they've gone too far with the apocalyptic rhetoric,

00:44:58.120 which is leading to depression and leading us down a path of inaction.

00:45:03.760 So I'm hoping that there's some rethinking,

00:45:08.100 but it's just,

00:45:08.980 you know,

00:45:09.400 I would too.

00:45:10.180 And I think one of the things I would say is that people who will use children in this way,

00:45:17.180 so cynically,

00:45:18.760 they should go see a psychiatrist right now.

00:45:22.940 And they should really take a look at themselves in the mirror,

00:45:25.860 because that is absolutely awful.

00:45:27.920 It is what the left does best.

00:45:29.980 They're exploitive,

00:45:31.480 exploiting in this case,

00:45:32.820 again,

00:45:33.280 children and,

00:45:34.940 you know,

00:45:35.480 damn their hides.

00:45:36.760 That's all I've got to say.

00:45:38.840 That's the ignorance at the highest level.

00:45:41.340 And they can try,

00:45:42.240 they can think what they will.

00:45:43.480 It's America.

00:45:44.320 They can say what they want,

00:45:45.620 but this is truly,

00:45:47.200 truly awful on their part.

00:45:48.620 And they should be ashamed.

00:45:50.320 Dr.

00:45:50.560 Curry,

00:45:50.840 I just want to say it's been a great conversation.

00:45:53.060 I hope you'll come back with this and have some more fun.

00:45:57.480 Dr.

00:45:57.940 Curry,

00:45:58.180 we always give our guests the last word.

00:45:59.900 You're concluding thoughts.

00:46:02.000 Well,

00:46:02.420 this was a really interesting conversation.

00:46:04.800 I mean,

00:46:05.440 the bottom line is that we have badly mischaracterized the risk from climate change.

00:46:12.000 And this is leading us down a path of urgently getting rid of fossil fuels,

00:46:18.400 which is,

00:46:21.040 you know,

00:46:21.580 a cure that's way worse than the disease of climate change.

00:46:26.140 And common sense has left the room.

00:46:28.320 And we just need to rethink the whole thing.

00:46:31.940 And this is what I've tried to do in my book,

00:46:35.080 Climate Uncertainty and Risk.

00:46:37.340 It provides an intellectual counterpoint,

00:46:40.840 a well-argued one,

00:46:42.100 in my opinion,

00:46:42.760 to this whole crazy climate change alarmism that the Biden administration seems to be so enthralled with.

00:46:52.520 And we have to give the Biden administration credit then in some cases,

00:46:58.940 because I can't see that they're enthralled with very much of anything at all,

00:47:02.700 except their mad,

00:47:05.620 myopic,

00:47:06.540 left-wing ideology.

00:47:09.300 Dr.

00:47:09.600 Curry,

00:47:09.900 as you said,

00:47:10.600 an interesting conversation.

00:47:12.300 Thank you for making it so.

00:47:13.780 And a great,

00:47:15.120 a great pleasure for me.

00:47:16.960 I do sincerely hope you'll come back soon.

00:47:19.060 And you can continue my education on climate change.

00:47:23.620 And the audience,

00:47:24.440 I'm sure,

00:47:25.460 has enjoyed your thoughts immensely.

00:47:28.180 I know I have.

00:47:29.160 Thanks for being with us and God bless.

00:47:31.540 Thank you.

00:47:32.380 Judith Curry,

00:47:33.380 a great American.

00:47:34.640 Thanks for being with us.

00:47:36.060 Thank you,

00:47:36.520 everybody,

00:47:37.000 for listening in.

00:47:38.200 Our guest here tomorrow will be Senator Rand Paul.

00:47:41.700 Please join us.

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