00:07:33.020Well, look, you know, just today, the New York Court of Appeals rejected Trump's attempt to get rid of the gag order
00:07:42.820coming out of the Manhattan trial, which is, you say, at this point.
00:07:46.240Right. Like, what's the reason to gag President Trump except to interfere with the election and his speech and political speech?
00:07:53.900Which is at the heart of the First Amendment and political elections are at the heart of the First Amendment.
00:07:58.480And yet, you know, what the New York Court of Appeals said very surprisingly was there's no substantial question presented by President Trump.
00:08:06.580I mean, I would submit that it's just definitional that if you're a presidential candidate in the heart of a presidential race,
00:08:15.160you know, in the last few months before the people of America will vote, you know,
00:08:20.520by definition, if there's a gag order placed on you, a substantial First Amendment question is presented.
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00:11:08.380We're talking with Jeffrey Clark, and he has been targeted by the left.
00:11:12.240He's had to defend himself forever, it seems.
00:11:16.080Jeff, give us a sense, if you will, and I don't want to pry, but what have you spent or would have spent on your legal fees just to defend yourself against these racketeers of the left?
00:11:37.360I don't think people realize how expensive it is.
00:11:39.380And the other thing is that, look, you know, my lawyers are committed to the cause, right, and they are giving me, you know, discounted rates because they believe in the cause and because, you know, they're friends with me personally.
00:11:55.600If I were truly in a competitive legal market, these numbers would even be higher.
00:12:00.100So my estimate at this point from the time they started coming after me in 2021 until now is that out of pocket it's been like a million to a million and a half.
00:12:14.100And then I actually act as my own lawyer in many ways, like working with my team and writing briefs and editing them and discussing legal strategy, et cetera.
00:12:23.880If I, you know, take a kind of modest rate for myself, right, not the kind of rate I was commanding when I was in private practice, but I just imagine, you know, even conservatively what I might bill myself out if I had a solo practice or something.
00:13:18.140We we've spent several times on your program talking about the state of of disrepair and and potential corruption, not to put too fine a word on it, that the legal practice in America has sunk to.
00:13:36.340And look, I think the last time I was on your program, I noted for you that, you know, and if I if it weren't your program, I apologize.
00:13:44.940I might be telling you this for the first time.
00:13:46.620The DC bar has a rule that makes the DC disciplinary council immune from the very ethics law that he enforces.
00:13:56.000So when we see him violating things by threatening me, for instance, at the start of the of the whole process, he when he spoke to my lawyer for the first time, he said, look, I don't want to be seeing a whole bunch of objections to this.
00:14:10.820I don't want to be seeing, you know, quote, unquote, a whole bunch of, you know, big law tactics.
00:14:16.480You know, if if I see that, if I see you, for instance, take the Fifth Amendment, which you're telling me you might do, then I'm going to ratchet up the discipline when I do get a finding that he engaged in misconduct.
00:14:30.380And I will get that finding. So you should keep that in mind as you go forward.
00:14:34.800I mean, just an open, naked threat, which is clearly unethical.
00:14:38.200Like if you were a lawyer in private practice and you launch that against somebody like I'm going to you know, you better agree to my deal here to settle this litigation or else, you know, I'm going to get your bar license taken.
00:14:50.340Right. Like you would lose your bar license for making those threats.
00:14:53.560Yet he's immune from those kinds of threats.
00:14:57.580And, you know, the shame is that a working man and woman raising a family in this country can't have just simply could not afford to have first class legal help in this country any longer.
00:15:31.160And by the way, working men and women and their families, the middle class, they they have no place to go to seek a remedy that would amount to truth, justice and the American way.
00:15:43.540This is this is a it's a slur on the very idea of justice in America.
00:15:50.960So, Lou, many, many, many days, I feel like I'm kind of a particularized target.
00:15:57.760Right. And I'm in a trench and, you know, the enemy for some reason is directed, you know, 60 percent of the machine guns on my position.
00:16:06.580Right. And I I'm kind of just like I'm holed up there.
00:16:09.120It's like it's hard to get out. But I have made a commitment, which I've told my lawyers about.
00:16:14.040And I guess I'm telling your audience about now that if I can emerge from, you know, these attacks that that now having seen the criminal justice process up close and the bar disciplinary process up close.
00:16:27.300You know, I make a commitment that I want to dedicate pro bono time to helping the ordinary Americans you're talking about.
00:16:35.460One of the things I'm doing now, right, I can't I can't represent them in litigation, do my day job and defend myself.
00:16:41.920But again, if I can emerge, you know, one of the things I am doing, though, is, you know, I try to help the Patriot Freedom Project.
00:16:48.280I mean, they're they're dealing with the fact that the book has been thrown at them for conduct that if it was on the left by Antifa or BLM, wouldn't even get a slap on the wrist.
00:16:58.520And it's it's working permanent damage, like permanent generational damage.
00:17:02.740There are young kids who are growing up without fathers or without mothers because of how the Biden administration has tried to paint them as like the new civil war.
00:17:12.020I mean, it's it's completely unjust and it's not right and it's not American.
00:17:18.280And it's and it's a shame we're talking with Jeffrey Clark.
00:17:23.100When we come back, we're going to talk about what is happening now with the president and what is likely to happen as we look forward to a president who has to win this election.
00:17:35.440We're talking with Jeffrey Clark. We'll be right back. Stay with us.
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00:18:03.480We're back now with Jeffrey Clark and Jeff, what do you make of all of this talk?
00:18:18.120Much of it seems like it's been originating from Barack Obama, who led Joe Biden off by the hand of the stage in a fundraiser in L.A.
00:18:27.920last week. But apparently they're talking seriously.
00:18:33.040That is, Schumer and Pelosi and Clinton and Obama about replacing Joe Biden.
00:18:45.760Well, I think that what we're seeing is a warring set of factions inside the Democrat Party.
00:18:50.740There are those who want Joe Biden, I think, because he functionally is a puppet and they know the people around him who are running the show and and they want them to just, you know, entirely continue in place.
00:19:03.020And there are others who are saying, look, you know, we got to dump this guy.
00:19:07.400He's going to take us to another Trump term.
00:19:09.940And, you know, we have to incur some risk for that.
00:19:14.220That means that, you know, we might get someone who's not quite as manipulable.
00:19:18.540And I think even in that category, and I'm not, you know, impressed with her, you know, the current vice president, Kamala Harris, might fall into that category.
00:19:28.980And she might start to develop her own ideas about what direction to take the country in.
00:19:33.500And I don't think some of these like Mandarin power broker types behind the scenes are really interested in that if they can avoid it.
00:19:40.860I think that's I think I can't imagine her having an original idea.
00:19:46.160Well, look, I will say it's kind of a head scratcher for me because I first, you know, I'd seen her actions as attorney general in California and but didn't really see a lot of her kind of in action.
00:19:58.980Until she showed up on the Senate Judiciary Committee after the the 2018 loss of the House and the and on the Senate.
00:20:34.580It's almost like, you know, kind of they've sucked out some brain cells or something.
00:20:40.780But so I agree with where you're coming from now.
00:20:43.120But earlier when I'd seen her in action, I didn't see her, you know, acting in the same way.
00:20:48.600I don't know what accounts for the change.
00:20:50.140Well, maybe they have an antidote to the juice stuff that Joe takes and that they're giving that to her to bring them to some sort of medium in terms of their cognitive ability.
00:21:16.680But look, I think that this is one reason why they've set up this very early debate in June with with Biden, because I think those who are in the Biden camp and in this group of power brokers, they think they if they can show that Joe Biden can withstand a debate with Donald Trump, maybe they can keep him on the ticket.
00:21:36.540And so it's going to be a big test for Biden.
00:21:38.620Right. If he stumbles during that debate, I think they're probably going to give him the hook.
00:21:43.520Well, if they gave him the hook, I would think at that point that Donald Trump would have to be scratching his head about why in the world did he accept no, no regulations of any kind, no conditions, just a, you know, bare knuckle debate with the impaired Joe Biden.
00:22:04.640I mean, if they replaced him, that would be a big deal.
00:22:10.840And look, I, you know, not to steal points from others, but, you know, here I can't resist.
00:22:17.620You know, I heard, you know, our friend Steve Bannon today say that, look, that would amount to like basically President Trump giving them a free preview.
00:22:25.740Right. Like we shouldn't be doing like do overs and free previews.
00:22:30.540Right. We should make sure that President Trump is only debating against the actual person who's going to be the candidate opposing it.
00:22:36.280Well, I think Steve is is usually the case.
00:23:18.660Yeah, I think the fundraising is is going pretty well.
00:23:24.340I think there will be more grassroots Americans who step up to help President Trump as we get closer, especially, you know, as they see more and more crazy things emerging from the Biden administration like this kind of new, you know, amnesty related announcement, which I haven't had the time to spend, you know, to study in detail yet.
00:23:44.480But, you know, from what I'm seeing, in terms of high points, it sounds like a disaster.
00:23:49.300And, you know, look, what you say about Steve is true.
00:23:51.720And that's why they're trying to take him off the field.
00:23:53.580Right. Like he has a report date of July 1st to federal prison, which is one reason why my organization, you know, and I put this together, are calling for a resolution for the House to repudiate the January 6th committee, repudiate its subpoenas,
00:24:10.200has explained to the American people that the January 6th committee was not put together in compliance with law.
00:24:17.660And, you know, look, I think if he's taken off the field with just a few months left before the election, that's a that's a serious blow.
00:24:24.440And that's you know, we got to resist that if we can.
00:24:27.360But that's exactly why the Dems want to do it.
00:24:29.300Well, and to look at it honestly, where is Mike Johnson right now?
00:24:35.140Thomas Massey put out the proposition.
00:24:38.340He laid it out for them, said, Mike Johnson, invalidate the damn committee.
00:24:46.500And what did we hear from Mike Johnson?
00:24:49.320We heard from Mike Johnson in these intervening now weeks.
00:24:53.220Nothing but the usual squeaks and squeals.
00:24:59.100He doesn't mean to do anything that is helpful to the Republican Party.
00:25:04.600And for whatever reason, President Trump does not want to grasp that reality.
00:25:13.260And by the way, that doesn't mean that he's not evil, because, you know, he is right now a cornered, a cornered rat, it seems, in that speaker's office.
00:25:26.380Well, I'm praying that, you know, he takes the more aggressive effort that's being put in front of him by Massey, by, you know, Matt Gaetz and others.
00:25:37.460You know, look, it seems to me there are three things that can be done, right?
00:25:41.780And there really shouldn't be an excuse for not doing one of the three.
00:25:46.320So in order of aggressiveness, from most aggressive to least aggressiveness, they would be, number one, this resolution that basically tries to invalidate the January 6th committee and its subpoenas and explains why.
00:25:58.780Number two would be for the House to send an amicus brief into the federal courts to help Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro.
00:26:06.400And that's controlled by this entity called the Bipartisan Law Advisory Group, the BLAG, which I'm sure most people have never heard of before now.
00:26:16.300They control whether, and Mike Johnson sits on the BLAG, they control whether an amicus brief like that goes out.
00:26:23.060And third is, if they can't do the other two things, right, maybe because, especially for the resolution, they can't get enough votes on the floor, they should at least send a letter to the federal courts indicating that it is no longer the position of the House of Representatives that the January 6th subpoenas were issued properly.
00:26:42.320Well, the Speaker himself could do that unilaterally and with great force and let the Democrats worry about trying to persuade everyone of the legitimacy of that absurd Soviet-style committee.
00:27:25.440I haven't covered this point before, so I'll make some news for you, right?
00:27:29.600So, you know, the process required having the Republican leadership, the Republican conference select the ranking member of the January 6th committee, right, and appoint the members.
00:27:41.200So they didn't follow that and they refused to seat Jim Banks and, you know, Jim Jordan on the committee, right?
00:27:47.720That's just totally atrocious and violates all kinds of norms and historical traditions of Congress.
00:27:55.720But what's the flow through from that?
00:28:03.400But the flow through is, and the rules require this, that if you have a ranking minority member, that ranking minority member picks a minority council.
00:28:11.080And the rules that govern the January 6th committee required that there be equal time given to any deposition between majority council and minority council.
00:28:20.000But since there was no minority council, there was no ability to have equal time.
00:28:25.760They tried to hide this from the American people by naming Liz Cheney, you know, the supposed Republican on the panel, you know, much smarter than Adam Kinzinger, as the vice chair of the committee, right?
00:28:39.000But that's not a ranking minority member.
00:28:41.080They just tried to give her an elevated title.
00:28:43.100And then she picked a council who was not the minority council because of these defects in process.
00:28:50.780Instead, it was someone who was called, you know, counsel to vice chair Cheney.
00:29:00.960Indeed, he was one of my partners at my law firm, Kirkland Ellis.
00:29:04.680So here he is, like someone who I thought was my friend, who was a colleague in Bush 43, signs up with Liz Cheney, and then he's going after me and going after President Trump and others.