The Great America Show - MIDTERM ELECTIONS WILL SHAPE THE FUTURE OF REPUBLICANISM

00:00:00.000 Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and this is the Great America Show.

00:00:05.140 We'll begin today with a confession.

00:00:07.260 I'm not much on worrying over America's standing or our reputation in the world.

00:00:12.880 In plain Texas talk, I don't give much of a hoot what any other country thinks of us.

00:00:17.940 And I'm sure that's reciprocal.

00:00:20.000 Live and let live is a pretty good way to do business and for that matter, to live your life.

00:00:25.240 But have you noticed there haven't been any reports of late about how the world feels about us or our president?

00:00:33.700 USA Today or the Washington Post used to frequently report what folks overseas thought about us and our president.

00:00:41.020 The media liked to print reactions to President Trump from Italy or Sweden, wherever.

00:00:47.000 Those foreigners weren't thrilled, of course, about that America First stuff. 1.00

00:00:50.380 But news editors and publishers love to print those colorful reader reactions, good for circulation.

00:00:57.880 But we don't read much lately about how the Brits, the French, other Euros feel about our president.

00:01:03.820 Editors for some reason now don't want readers to feast on those colorful comments about President Biden

00:01:10.660 and his hyperinflationary ways, his $6 a gallon gas, empty shelves that once teemed with baby formula,

00:01:18.960 or the mess he made of his Afghan exit, and his lost walkabouts in the White House,

00:01:25.420 his bumbling appearance at the NATO summit, you remember?

00:01:29.360 Or his new presidential initiative.

00:01:31.920 We'll call that his Ukraine plan.

00:01:34.860 We'll call it peace through incoherence.

00:01:38.060 Did I mention the raging sky-high crime rates in Democrat-run cities now,

00:01:43.180 and the Biden disapproval ratings that have followed this dreary, dismal first 14 months in office?

00:01:51.380 Our guest today is a kindred conservative spirit from Great Britain

00:01:54.880 to give us an international perspective of how President Biden and our nation is doing.

00:02:00.920 I'm delighted to introduce now Nigel Farage, former commodities trader,

00:02:05.720 former member of the European Parliament from 1999 to 2020,

00:02:09.880 a founder of the Populous UK Independence Party, the Brexit Party, predecessor to the Reform UK.

00:02:17.700 One man can still change history in the old country, and Nigel Farage is that man.

00:02:23.880 Now a broadcaster and presenter on the GB News with much higher ratings than Piers Morgan.

00:02:30.720 Nigel, it is great to have you on the Great America Show,

00:02:33.660 and it is, for our audience, a rare treat, because we're watching you from afar across the pond,

00:02:42.940 and you are doing all sorts of amazing things.

00:02:46.960 And I love the fact that you took on one of my favorite media heroes, Piers Morgan.

00:02:53.460 And he is quite a unique character, one that I've never particularly relished, I'll put it that way.

00:03:05.140 What in the world is going on there between you two?

00:03:09.020 This is big media stuff.

00:03:12.600 Yes, it really is.

00:03:13.820 And Lou, great to talk to you.

00:03:15.400 It really is.

00:03:15.880 Piers Morgan is somebody who likes to be incredibly boastful, to tell the world what a great hero he is,

00:03:24.680 to tell the world that he's the best, that he's the greatest.

00:03:27.440 Well, it might have worked for Muhammad Ali for a bit, but it doesn't work for Piers Morgan. 0.99

00:03:32.280 And I was brought up to believe that pride comes before a fool.

00:03:36.720 If you stand up and boast and tell the world how good you are, something bad inevitably befalls you. 0.61

00:03:41.960 And so I found myself exactly four weeks ago today.

00:03:46.000 I was at Mar-a-Lago with a chap I know who lives there called Donald Trump.

00:03:50.140 He's a very interesting character.

00:03:51.960 And we were talking about what was happening in UK media and that Piers was coming back onto British television

00:03:59.400 and that Piers had booked an interview with Donald Trump.

00:04:02.920 And I said, look, okay, if he pretends that he's still your friend,

00:04:09.220 I think you ought to know what he's been writing about you and what he's been saying about you.

00:04:14.200 And he sort of looked at me a bit quizzically.

00:04:16.260 So all I did was produce a series of articles written in the Daily Mail by Piers Morgan about Donald Trump,

00:04:24.880 in which he was really very, very derogatory about Trump, about his presidency, about his policies.

00:04:31.960 So all I did was tell Donald Trump the truth.

00:04:33.840 Trump kind of blew a gasket, I think, when he read this stuff.

00:04:39.660 But all I did was tell him the truth because he deserved to know it.

00:04:43.660 And as a result of that, I am now Morgan's sworn mortal public enemy number one.

00:04:50.560 And he keeps throwing all this abuse at me.

00:04:53.320 And you know what, Lou?

00:04:54.040 I just ignore all of it.

00:04:55.220 I just ignore all of it.

00:04:57.120 And sure enough, you know, the big I am that Piers is, you know, now finds himself with daily ratings for his show,

00:05:08.580 Lower Than Mine, on GB News.

00:05:10.640 And that's where we are.

00:05:12.060 Well, congratulations.

00:05:13.260 And I would say the better man is winning, wouldn't you?

00:05:17.680 Well, it's not for me to judge, dear boy.

00:05:19.960 That's for those that are going to be our listeners here.

00:05:23.720 But it is a classic tale, isn't it?

00:05:26.440 You know, it's a classic tale of humanity, you know, hubris and then nemesis tends to follow.

00:05:33.800 And that's the mistake that Morgan's made.

00:05:35.860 But I suspect one of the reasons that you don't like him.

00:05:38.700 Also, there is no intellectual consistency to Piers' journalism.

00:05:43.580 You know, you and I believe in things.

00:05:45.580 We believe in themes.

00:05:47.400 You know, we follow those themes through all the work that we do.

00:05:50.040 With Piers, it's all the sort of cheap, quick hit.

00:05:54.760 That's really all that he's after.

00:05:56.600 And there you are.

00:05:58.040 And I have to say that I think many of the people that work at Fox are very, very upset because he staged something that I think was a disgrace.

00:06:08.120 He said that Trump stormed out of the interview.

00:06:11.280 And that is just not true.

00:06:13.480 And I think if I was working at Fox or Fox Business, I'd be very unhappy that one of my fellow, because he's a Fox Nation presenter now as well, that one of my fellow presenters had upset Trump as much as this.

00:06:25.920 I'd be very annoyed indeed.

00:06:27.100 Well, you know, I talked with the president right after that interview had taken place, and he was saying, look, that nonsense just didn't happen, and saying precisely what you're saying.

00:06:39.620 And he went on, I think, that Piers asking four or five questions after it was supposed to be end of interview.

00:06:47.560 And Trump is a media-savvy fellow, if ever there were one.

00:06:51.980 And he knows better than to react in that situation where he's getting frustrated.

00:06:57.440 But he finally had to leave and to be firm about it.

00:07:02.880 But he was cordial throughout.

00:07:05.800 Yes.

00:07:06.480 And I said to a couple of people, you know, my gosh, Rupert may fire this fellow or Lachlan, because that was just pure staging and certainly not up to Fox's usual high standards.

00:07:20.320 What's your reaction?

00:07:21.800 No, I agree entirely with that.

00:07:23.180 I mean, listen, you know, what happened was that that interview ran much, much longer than had been agreed.

00:07:28.660 I want to say much longer.

00:07:29.520 I don't mean five minutes longer or 10 minutes longer.

00:07:31.760 I mean, about 45 minutes longer.

00:07:33.620 And in the end, Trump had to get tough and call a close.

00:07:36.500 And it closed.

00:07:37.380 And you can hear the audio tape of Morgan saying, thank you very much for the interview.

00:07:42.880 Trump saying thanks.

00:07:44.160 He stood up.

00:07:45.120 OK, guys, turn the camera off.

00:07:46.660 I got to go.

00:07:47.500 It was not him storming out.

00:07:49.340 It was presented in a completely false way.

00:07:52.600 And I mean, why would you why would any well-known business figure or sports figure or celebrity or politician?

00:08:00.160 Why would anybody now want to go on with Piers Morgan?

00:08:02.600 How on earth could you trust him?

00:08:04.800 Exactly.

00:08:05.440 And you can't.

00:08:06.580 And, you know, you were talking about the quick hit artist that he is.

00:08:09.760 He's a quick hit artist, and he is a hit or miss artist who most often, I think, at least misses.

00:08:19.060 So I wasn't a bit dismayed to see you deal aptly with him.

00:08:27.740 And I want to turn now, if I may, to Nigel Farage, broadcaster.

00:08:33.820 Instead of the political figure that we know you to be, which has served the UK very well over the course of your career in politics, what is your life all about right now?

00:08:50.420 What are you doing?

00:08:52.120 What are you contemplating?

00:08:53.380 Well, I mean, I was a commodity trader and a commodity broker.

00:08:57.180 I worked on the London Metal Exchange dealing in non-ferrous metals, copper, aluminum, lead, zinc, tin, nickel.

00:09:03.340 That's what I did for 20 years.

00:09:05.040 So I never had I never had any political aspirations whatsoever.

00:09:10.220 Seriously, I mean it.

00:09:11.460 I got involved in politics because I just felt that our country had taken a completely wrong direction.

00:09:19.420 We'd given away our ability to run our own affairs.

00:09:22.100 We'd given away our sovereignty.

00:09:23.900 We'd given away the special link that we had with the Commonwealth and the English-speaking peoples of the world.

00:09:29.940 And we'd given it all to a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels.

00:09:32.460 And frankly, Lou, nobody had the guts to stand up and fight.

00:09:36.360 And I thought, well, you know what?

00:09:37.960 I am that soldier.

00:09:39.000 So that's why I got involved in politics.

00:09:41.460 And you know what?

00:09:42.840 Against all the odds, despite the fact that for most of my campaigning life, we had everybody against us, every media organization, everybody against us.

00:09:52.860 Do you know what we did?

00:09:53.780 We secured a great historic victory.

00:09:56.920 And so I thought to myself, well, most careers in politics end in failure because people go on for too long.

00:10:04.680 So I thought after Brexit, with us free, do you know what I'm going to do?

00:10:08.900 For one of the first times in my life, I'm going to sell my stock at the high of the market.

00:10:13.740 So that's exactly what I did.

00:10:16.160 I'm very happy to cash in my chips.

00:10:18.460 But that doesn't mean that I don't want to go on influencing public debate and public opinion.

00:10:24.380 So I'm broadcasting on this GB News channel, which is relatively new.

00:10:30.000 We're building an audience there.

00:10:31.740 I'm speaking at events.

00:10:33.420 I'm doing stuff on social media.

00:10:35.420 I mean, bear in mind, we're a much smaller country than the USA.

00:10:39.040 But I've got 3.3 million followers out there across social media.

00:10:43.160 So I'm busy engaged with them.

00:10:46.400 I will be doing a tour of Australia later on this year, a speaking tour.

00:10:51.980 I've got a couple of trips to America plan where I'm going to be speaking.

00:10:55.760 And it won't just be conservative activists.

00:10:58.100 It'll be at universities and things like that.

00:10:59.880 And my big basic message at the moment is the Western world is in peril in a way that it frankly never has been before.

00:11:08.420 We face external threats.

00:11:11.040 And by that, I mean, above all the rise of China, let alone what could happen with Putin.

00:11:17.080 Although I do think historically we've made some very bad mistakes there.

00:11:21.520 But then we have the internal threat.

00:11:23.640 And the internal threat is a modern day form of Marxism.

00:11:28.020 It is a campaign to make us hate ourselves, loathe our history, be ashamed of who we are, and to divide us all up, whether we're black or white or brown, whether we're heterosexual, homosexual, whatever we are.

00:11:45.180 Identity politics is about dividing us from each other.

00:11:49.140 It's about making us feel we're not part of a family.

00:11:51.800 We're not part of a unit.

00:11:52.960 We're not part of a state.

00:11:54.240 We're not part of a nation.

00:11:55.360 It's the attempt to rubbish and destroy all of these things.

00:11:59.780 And the saddest part of all of this is that our educational establishments right across the Western world, they are playing this game and they are poisoning, literally poisoning the minds of young people.

00:12:11.980 They're not teaching them critical thinking.

00:12:14.320 We have a one-sided debate.

00:12:16.340 You know, one argument is good and moral.

00:12:19.260 The other is evil.

00:12:20.140 And so really, for me, for me, my big, big emphasis is to explain to people that far from being ashamed of our history, we should understand our history, appreciate our history.

00:12:32.700 There's much of it, actually, that we ought to be immensely proud of.

00:12:36.760 And to point out to people that this is the exact playbook, the exact playbook that Lenin used in Russia against the Tsarist regime to turn the Russian people against their country, against their leaders, against their identity, so that this wonderful, glorious new Marxist world could come into being, which, of course, it did in 1917.

00:12:58.680 And led to a regime that, in the end, killed 40 million of its own people.

00:13:04.780 And the danger is we're headed down that path.

00:13:07.620 And that is the thing that really fixates me.

00:13:10.120 That is the campaign that I'm engaged on.

00:13:12.540 And there's a really important point here for your listeners to this podcast, and it's this.

00:13:17.980 If America falls, the entirety of the Western world falls.

00:13:23.840 The battle in America is absolutely crucial.

00:13:26.960 And, you know, all of the things that I've just said, the denouncing of many of the founding fathers of America, the removal of statues, the attempt to change history, the so-called campaign for racial equality in Black Lives Matter, which actually all it's doing is dividing people and turning people against each other. 0.75

00:13:48.560 And the fact that the Democrats under Biden are now increasingly being influenced by these hard left influences.

00:13:59.420 Now, it all sounds horrific, and yet, and yet I do see a great opportunity, and it's this.

00:14:07.180 You know, the vast majority of ordinary, decent, working Americans, just like the Brits were Brexit, the vast majority of Americans, if you tell them to be ashamed of America and ashamed of its history, they say, well, no, we're not.

00:14:21.380 Don't tell us to be ashamed.

00:14:22.500 You know, our granddaddy served in the Pacific in the war or whatever it may be.

00:14:27.100 We're actually proud of our history.

00:14:29.060 And all the polling that I see suggests that up to half of Democrat voters do not want this extreme left-wing ideology.

00:14:38.020 So, America, please save yourselves.

00:14:42.300 And if you do, you'll save all the rest of us, too.

00:14:44.780 And it's that important.

00:14:45.840 Well, I think we'll be partners in that survival, as we have throughout our history.

00:14:54.400 I also think that it's important for Americans to hear your voice, because we are talking now about the Marxist left in this country.

00:15:05.880 The Marxist left is the Democratic Party.

00:15:08.560 They're trying to pose as the traditional loyal opposition, when in point of fact, they are a fifth column by any definition. 0.68

00:15:18.720 They are working to subvert everything that is American, and their animating ideology is Marxism, totalitarianism.

00:15:28.920 And we're seeing it in almost every policy enunciation from this administration, the Biden administration, whether it's domestic policy or foreign policy.

00:15:39.100 It is straightforwardly a government edict and fiat and executive order.

00:15:47.100 And behind all of this is big money, whether it's the Mark Zuckerbergs of the world, the Silicon social media tech titans, or whether it is George Soros, who is trying to work out whatever psychological basis he has for spending his money and in what direction.

00:16:10.000 But here, Soros, Zuckerberg, and the oligarchs, they would be called in any other country where this is not America, they are right now laying out a blueprint and executing it for the destruction of what is the American culture, history, the Judeo-Christian history of this country and culture.

00:16:34.240 And it is a remarkable onslaught, and I'm curious to know, what is your view?

00:16:41.960 As we have a president who is so obviously impaired, he reminds one certainly of Woodrow Wilson in 1919 when he had a stroke in the White House, his wife Edith decides to run the country for the next year, almost a year and a half, and does so.

00:17:01.360 Or FDR, where pictures were not allowed, or FDR, where pictures were not allowed of him, a man who could not walk unaided, pictures were just not taken of him, never permitted to show his disability.

00:17:13.640 It doesn't rise to the level of either Woodrow Wilson or certainly or to President Biden, but it was an elephant in the room, certainly for him, that inability to walk without help.

00:17:32.340 And in this case, with Joe Biden, it is the media deciding that they're inexplicably, we can have a president who has a nuclear briefcase 12 feet away from him nearly at all times, and we're letting him manage, lead this country to the brink of I don't know what, whether it be the Ukraine conflict or what could be a miscalculation with the communist Chinese.

00:18:01.000 Please, your thoughts.

00:18:02.960 I'm just astonished, you know, when Donald Trump said things that people didn't like as president, everyone screamed, the 25th Amendment, move the 25th, the man's mad, let's get rid of him.

00:18:12.640 Why is no one talking about the 25th Amendment with a president who, as you say, clearly is just not up to the job and whose foreign policy decisions have affected the whole of the world in the most calamitous way?

00:18:27.240 There is absolutely no way in which Putin would have invaded Ukraine if he hadn't seen what he thought was Western weakness over that horrifying decision to unilaterally walk away from Afghanistan to do so without any reference to his neighbours, any reference to his friends in NATO, to his colleagues.

00:18:48.820 So, yeah, I think some of this is catastrophic.

00:18:51.940 And as I say, the 25th at some point simply has to be moved on the points about Soros and Zuckerberg and all these people.

00:18:59.180 Well, I mean, look, I remember a few years ago I got up in the European Parliament where my speeches were not always popular with those present, but I enjoyed them.

00:19:07.920 And I got up one day and I said, there were 243 of you in this room today with me who have been named by George Soros's organisation as Friends of George Soros.

00:19:22.460 I said, I'm going to be writing to each and every one of you to ask what financial support, what free holidays, what benefits you've had from this great friendship with Mr. Soros.

00:19:33.060 And, you know, I didn't get a single reply. So we know about the influence of Soros and the others.

00:19:39.260 But, hey, all of a sudden there is a shining knight in armour who has appeared on our side of the battle.

00:19:47.060 And I'd never been aware that Elon Musk had ever backed Donald Trump, had ever supported the Republicans.

00:19:53.840 But here's somebody who believes in open, free speech in a democratic society.

00:20:00.240 And that is why he's put that consortium together.

00:20:03.840 And I know there are still one or two hurdles to jump over, but he's put the consortium together to buy Twitter.

00:20:09.320 He said that Trump would be welcome back on that platform, that it was morally wrong for him to be taken off.

00:20:15.700 And isn't it bizarre? Trump was off and the Taliban were still on. 0.97

00:20:19.140 I mean, you couldn't even you couldn't even make some of this stuff up, could you really?

00:20:22.380 So I do. Awful. So I do actually think, Lou, that that maybe Musk is is here and maybe this marks an important beginning of a turning of the tide.

00:20:34.940 And it's much, much needed because whatever the arguments around the events of November 2020, one thing is for certain.

00:20:43.540 And that is that American mainstream media and social media did their utmost in a presidential election to make sure that the American voting public did not have full access to the facts.

00:20:56.420 And that is absolutely disgraceful.

00:20:59.500 Let's hope Musk is able to start turning that tide.

00:21:02.800 You know, I have to ask you this.

00:21:06.340 What is your your perception?

00:21:08.280 What is that of your countrymen when they see the United States in 2020?

00:21:13.840 The attorney general, the highest placed law enforcement official in the country knows that a candidate for president is lying, knows that his son is lying, knows the contents of the the so-called laptop from hell.

00:21:30.760 Uh, but decides not to intervene in an election.

00:21:35.980 And so by doing intervened in the election on behalf of the liar, the man who is now ensnared in a scandal that involves much of his own family and China and Ukraine.

00:21:50.820 Uh, and the list unfortunately goes on, uh, we have made a huge historical mistake, uh, a mistake that goes to the nationals, the issue of the foundation of our national security.

00:22:02.740 And as you point out, it goes to the free world.

00:22:06.320 Western civilization has someone of immense influence and power who should never have been there executing policies and following an ideology that is alien to most Americans.

00:22:20.220 Your thoughts from, from the UK, it's a tricky one in some ways, because I mean, look, don't underestimate the amount of admiration, respect.

00:22:32.040 And even, I'm going to say to you a hint of sort of jealousy, almost that we have about America, because we increasingly eat American food.

00:22:42.940 We increasingly watch American film.

00:22:46.460 Um, I'm pleased to say used to listen to a lot of our music, um, but, but, but, but the cultural, the cultural ties and bonds between our two countries are greater and stronger now than they have been at any point in history.

00:23:02.460 And we look up to America, you know, as big, a bigger, stronger version of who we are, but we currently look at America, uh, with this incompetent leader, with the stories that we're seeing, hearing, reading about the massive growth in crime in American cities.

00:23:21.760 Um, and I have to tell you, a lot of commentators in the United Kingdom, but just folk I speak to are beginning to say to themselves, are America's best days behind it?

00:23:32.460 So we're beginning to ask ourselves questions about what America is becoming.

00:23:37.500 And I don't think that's unfair, to be honest with you, because unless America does start to turn this around and, and Hey, you know what?

00:23:44.740 The midterms are a great opportunity, aren't they?

00:23:46.840 To start that process from moving again, unless America turns this around.

00:23:51.580 Um, yeah, as I say, we look at it, we're a little bit bewildered that this country that we've admired so much appears to be in so much of a mess.

00:23:59.680 And yet the causal agents at work, we share, uh, whether it be that, uh, Marxist left, that is not only in the UK or Europe or the United States, but global.

00:24:13.660 And we seem to have not a, a worldview, if you will, of the, the battle that we've, I'm speaking about Americans that we're in.

00:24:24.960 Uh, and it is a, uh, a battle that the Republican party doesn't even recognize quite yet.

00:24:31.440 Uh, while the, while the Democrats, the Marxist left is as vicious and as focused and as effective as you could imagine, taking control of not only the campaigns and, and, uh, platforms and agendas, but also the electoral process itself.

00:24:53.100 Uh, it is something bewildering to those of us who are conservatives of the United States, conservative Republicans to, to, to watch.

00:25:02.620 It's, it is a mystery why there is so much passivity in the face of such aggression.

00:25:09.620 Well, that is why, of course, the whole season that the Republican party is going through at the moment of the primaries of the selection for candidates for the house and for Senate is so vital and so important.

00:25:26.860 Because just as the British conservative party was riddled with Remainers, riddled with people who did not want Brexit to happen and have done their best to sabotage it, frankly, ever since, you have a similar problem.

00:25:40.140 You have rhinos.

00:25:41.360 So it's rhinos and Remainers on different sides of the pond. 0.89

00:25:44.320 And I think if these selection processes get rid, um, of those rhinos and, and, and get proper conservatives, but people have also got some courage and some will to fight, then, then we might just have a Republican party that is not as passive. 0.56

00:26:00.340 So I do think, I do think these selections that are currently going on, uh, will to a large extent help to shape the future of Republicanism.

00:26:08.640 Well, I certainly hope so.

00:26:11.000 And, uh, and I, and I look forward to that, to seeing fighters and the leadership instead of rhinos, uh, who have sold out to so many people, they don't quite know which, uh, uh, you know, chit to mark up, uh, it's a little confusing for them.

00:26:27.520 I'm sure I want to, I want to turn just very quickly, if you would, to, to Ukraine.

00:26:33.940 Our Congress has just voted with 150, uh, Republicans supporting it, $40 billion in aid to Ukraine.

00:26:43.740 That makes it a little over 50 billion that we will have spent, uh, if the Senate approves it.

00:26:48.920 And if there are so many rhinos, of course, in, in the Senate that they will have to, uh, your thoughts about what we're doing, uh, what UK is doing, what Europe is doing in support of Ukraine.

00:27:03.220 And it's battle against the invaders.

00:27:06.320 Well, I think for certain that, um, Boris Johnson, who's not been a very decisive prime minister, but on Ukraine, he has been very decisive, uh, whether you agree with it or not, you know, we have given an extraordinary amount of training, military equipment and aid to Ukraine.

00:27:23.020 America has kind of followed on behind in a sense, uh, under, under Biden's leadership, the European union.

00:27:30.120 Oh, they're split down the middle.

00:27:32.120 They haven't got a clue what to do.

00:27:34.120 As you can imagine, uh, people at the polls are very scared and very worried about what's going on.

00:27:40.120 And the Germans are, yes, the Germans.

00:27:43.260 I remember when, I remember when Trump in 2018, in 2018, Trump addressed the United Nations.

00:27:50.960 He said, Germany is making itself too dependent on Russian oil and Russian gas.

00:27:55.900 They're making a huge mistake.

00:27:57.680 And the German delegation within the UN building in New York openly laughed at him, but my goodness me, wasn't he right? 1.00

00:28:04.720 So there is really no proper reaction at all from the European union.

00:28:09.820 Lou, I want to say this historically.

00:28:12.100 I gave a speech eight years ago in the European parliament where I said, if we go on extending, expanding NATO and the European union eastwards up to the borders of Russia,

00:28:24.880 we are poking the Russian bear with a stick and it will lead to a war in Ukraine.

00:28:31.140 I said that eight years ago because I understood historically the Russians are paranoid about being, about being surrounded or being invaded.

00:28:42.240 I mean, look at their history where they lost almost 30 million people in World War II.

00:28:46.920 So I was always worried about this.

00:28:48.920 I always felt we were making a huge historical mistake and I was never afraid to say so.

00:28:53.780 Now, none of that justifies much of what Russia has done over the course of the last few weeks, the treatment of civilians, the sharing, the shelling of Mariupol.

00:29:05.820 There are many, many ghastly things that have happened.

00:29:09.460 But, you know, Ukraine is a deeply corrupt country.

00:29:13.200 Those eastern territories are heavily, heavily divided.

00:29:15.740 And I just want to say this.

00:29:18.740 We should, we should, the West, led by America, should be talking, not just to the Ukrainian president, they should be talking to Putin as well.

00:29:29.920 We should be trying to find a way of getting a negotiated peace settlement.

00:29:35.080 My fear, my real fear, is that by promising war crimes trials, rather like Nuremberg in 1946, by boxing Putin into a corner, by not giving him any way out or any means of even talking about a peace deal, that we are boxing into a corner a man who may well have now lost the rational function.

00:30:03.260 And if we push this man too far, it is not absolutely beyond the realms of comprehension that we might finish up with an horrendous conflict with some sort of nuclear weapons being used.

00:30:22.440 It's all well and good.

00:30:23.860 If you want to send aid to help people, that's fine.

00:30:26.420 But we need some clear strategic thinking.

00:30:29.560 Now, it may well be that negotiations with Putin get nowhere.

00:30:33.260 But we should try.

00:30:35.040 And we should remind ourselves of what the great Winston Churchill said about these situations.

00:30:40.660 He said, jaw-jaw is better than war-war. 0.98

00:30:45.000 And I just scratch my head and cannot understand why the West aren't doing more.

00:30:50.760 To your point, I've called on this president specifically to join with China and urge a negotiation upon Putin.

00:31:04.720 And to do so would create all sorts of cross-currents and forces, but nonetheless, it's leadership.

00:31:14.200 And to insist that this man take an exit from what is his debacle, Putin's debacle, by his design, we've got to give him a way out.

00:31:27.080 And we've got to give Ukraine a way forward.

00:31:30.320 Absolutely.

00:31:31.280 I want to say, Nigel, it is always instructive and great fun to talk with you.

00:31:36.640 We thank you very much for your time.

00:31:38.300 I hope you'll come back soon and we can further solve the world's problems.

00:31:43.740 I absolutely will.

00:31:44.860 Well, Lou, it's always a delight to speak to you.

00:31:47.140 You get the last word here on the show.

00:31:49.800 And please, please have at it.

00:31:54.180 All of you out there, don't just agree with what Lou Dobbs puts out there.

00:31:58.940 That's important.

00:31:59.820 But resolve to do something about it.

00:32:02.940 We need people not just to agree with us, but to stand up, to fight, to help, because we've got to save the West.

00:32:10.940 Amen.

00:32:11.800 And thank you so much.

00:32:13.040 God bless you, Nigel.

00:32:13.860 Nigel Farage.

00:32:15.560 Nigel Farage.

00:32:17.080 He made a lot of great history in the UK.

00:32:19.860 And thank you for being with us, everybody.

00:32:22.120 We'll be talking with John Solomon, Catherine Engelbrecht, GOP pollster Robert Kahaley, Congressman Ronnie Jackson, and Senator Ron Johnson all this week.

00:32:31.800 Please join us till tomorrow.

00:32:33.760 God bless you and God bless America.

The Great America Show - May 17, 2022

MIDTERM ELECTIONS WILL SHAPE THE FUTURE OF REPUBLICANISM

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