The Great America Show - MILITARY LEADERS SURRENDER TO BIDEN

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. Joe Biden once again

00:00:09.060 exposed the latest reveal for the puppet president is his alter ego or better put his code name

00:00:16.220 or alias. House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer today revealing that when Joe

00:00:22.580 Biden was vice president, he went by a number of different code names and aliases when dealing

00:00:29.440 with Ukraine and his son Hunter's business dealings. The puppet president has already been exposed over 0.62

00:00:36.740 the course of his career for plagiarism, corruption, bribery, and the list goes on. This is just

00:00:43.380 another. Comer has demanded the National Archives turn over all documents and communications

00:00:50.120 with Biden's code names. They are at least this many of them. Robert Peters, Robin Ware,

00:00:58.160 JRB Ware. Now, why exactly would the then vice president of the United States be using code

00:01:06.180 names and aliases in emails with foreign leaders when it came to documents his son and his son's

00:01:13.060 business partners were cc'd on? Comer is demanding the Archives turn over those documents no later

00:01:20.360 than August 31st. The National Archives, you remember, was very eager to go after President

00:01:26.320 Trump. We'll see how well and quickly they respond when it is President Biden. With corrupt Fulton

00:01:34.960 County DA Fannie Willis bringing a criminal indictment against President Trump this week,

00:01:40.340 many Republicans are just sitting back. One exception, Georgia State Senator Colton Moore.

00:01:47.320 Colton sent a letter to Georgia Governor Brian Kemp saying that he would like to begin an emergency

00:01:53.080 Senate session to conduct a thorough investigation of Willis' indictment. Moore in his letter to the

00:01:59.420 governor said this, quote,

00:02:01.180 As a Georgia State Senator, I'm officially calling for an emergency session to review the actions

00:02:07.280 of Fannie Willis. America is under attack. I'm not going to sit back and watch as radical left

00:02:13.840 prosecutors weaponize their elected offices to politically target their opponents. We must strip

00:02:20.720 all funding and, if appropriate, impeach Fannie Willis, end quote. The former Speaker of the House,

00:02:27.480 Newt Gingrich, says he believes that Willis got a call from Washington, D.C. to rush the indictment

00:02:33.680 to cover up the corruption of Special Counsel David Weiss. Here's Newt talking with Charlie Kirk.

00:02:40.620 I am told, this is hearsay, but I am told by a reliable source that Friday evening somebody from

00:02:46.720 Washington called the District Attorney in Atlanta and said, you have to indict on Monday.

00:02:51.680 We have to cover up all of the mistakes we just made with Weiss. And she said, apparently,

00:02:58.680 my jurors aren't coming back till Tuesday. And they said, you didn't hear me.

00:03:02.140 You have to indict on Monday. And she said, well, they're not going to get here before noon.

00:03:07.540 They said, that doesn't matter. She said, this means it's going to be eight or nine or 10 o'clock

00:03:11.460 at night. They said, it doesn't matter. We need the news media shifting off of Weiss.

00:03:15.680 Who made that phone call? We don't know. And I'm telling you up front, this is hearsay,

00:03:22.000 but it's from a person who has remarkably good sources. I totally believe it, though,

00:03:25.740 because that would explain why they leaked and they messed up on the clerk document,

00:03:29.540 why she was exhausted and why they had the 11 p.m. press conference, Mr. Speaker.

00:03:34.240 The Georgia Senate belongs to the GOP. The Republicans hold a 10 seat majority. And the

00:03:40.600 leader of the Senate is a man named Mert Jones, who is also involved. Jones says, though,

00:03:46.640 this indictment has nothing to do with getting justice for the American people.

00:03:51.380 This has nothing to do with getting justice for the citizens of Fulton County. This is going on for

00:03:57.180 two and a half years. She's wasted millions, if not tens of millions of taxpayer money on these 0.94

00:04:04.100 investigations. She has constantly used this as a PR tool, as a fundraising tool. 1.00

00:04:10.600 For herself. She's and all the while, crime is up the all time high in the city of Atlanta,

00:04:17.320 Fulton County. Homicides, robberies, snatch and grabs, you name it. The jails are overflowing

00:04:23.240 because they can't get court dates. And she's wasting all these man hours and resources 1.00

00:04:28.140 trying to go after, you know, people who were asking questions during the 2020 election cycle.

00:04:35.720 And yeah, it's definitely politically motivated. And, you know, I'm happy that we were able to

00:04:41.920 defeat her, you know, get the positive ruling for the court there in Fulton County,

00:04:46.540 because it was glaring that it's all is partisan politics at its very worst.

00:04:52.040 The latest indictment of President Trump has driven the president's poll numbers to all time

00:04:56.820 highs as the first GOP debate is now less than a week away. President Trump, however,

00:05:02.520 will not be participating. Among the people who are set to be in that debate are Ron DeSantis,

00:05:09.200 Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, Chris Christie, Doug Burgum, and Mike Pence.

00:05:15.800 The New York Times has obtained documents that show Ron DeSantis, who's now polling third behind,

00:05:22.380 Trump and Ramaswamy will be defending Trump and going after Ramaswamy.

00:05:28.780 The document from Ron DeSantis' Super PAC says DeSantis will, one, attack Joe Biden in the media

00:05:35.700 three to five times, and two, state his positive vision two to three times and hammer Vivek Ramaswamy

00:05:42.920 in response. Defend Donald Trump in abstention in response to a Chris Christie attack. That's what

00:05:49.560 we can expect. And DeSantis might have finally figured out that Republican voters overwhelmingly

00:05:55.020 love and prefer President Donald Trump. Let's turn to our weekly foreign policy panel now.

00:06:01.780 Joining us, Gordon Chang, Tony Schaefer. Gentlemen, great to have you back with us for our weekend

00:06:06.860 wrap-up. Let's start with something a lot of people probably aren't paying attention to.

00:06:11.940 That's an Air Force base here in the United States, in the state of Oklahoma, in fact.

00:06:17.100 Tinker Air Force Base. Officials there, Air Force officials are refusing to tell the American public

00:06:24.540 why 17 Americans have died on that base so far this year. 17 and they're not talking. No information

00:06:34.620 whatsoever about the causes of death, the nature of their deaths, and all the officials will say

00:06:40.960 that they were various causes. Is this something the American people should be putting up with?

00:06:47.920 Gentlemen, well, Tony, let's start with you. Transparency, as you know, is something I always

00:06:53.120 believe should be observed no matter what part of the government it comes from, especially the military.

00:06:58.440 And yeah, when you start having extraordinarily observable indicators that something's wrong,

00:07:08.560 you need to explain that. And the military has had issues with this for a while. I'm talking to

00:07:15.100 someone right now who may be a legitimate whistleblower who was talking about a service fudging the

00:07:20.080 numbers. I'm trying to vet this person and see if they're legitimate. And if so, this could be a

00:07:24.560 significant indicator that the services are hiding things like this. And the reason they're hiding

00:07:30.940 them is because, well, bad leadership. Bad leadership mostly focuses on protecting itself and maintaining

00:07:38.920 power rather than maintaining ethics, standards, and accountability. That's my experience. And Lou,

00:07:45.460 you know, you and I've had this conversation a number of times over the years. So I think what we're

00:07:51.140 seeing here is an indicator that the entire system is compromised at the very top. And when you have

00:07:59.200 someone at the very top, like Joe Biden, who is corrupt, I'm more believing now at this point,

00:08:06.340 Lou, that they got Biden elected because he would permit and be open to corruption up and down the line.

00:08:15.020 And I'm sorry, this cover up is just indicative of that very fact.

00:08:20.780 It continues the pattern that is the Biden regime, doesn't it? Gordon, your thoughts?

00:08:26.640 I agree with Tony. There needs to be transparency at Tinker. This is statistically improbable. And so the

00:08:33.780 American people need to know. The more we know, the more institutions like the Air Force will reform

00:08:41.300 themselves. We know the Air Force is a troubled institution. So, yes, I agree with Tony.

00:08:47.680 And now we'll see what happens because there is absolutely zero chance that anyone in the national

00:08:54.860 media will demand answers because they do not want to upset anyone in the Biden regime, it seems,

00:09:02.580 because of not their just their complicity. They are part of the overall Marxist, dim, deep state

00:09:09.580 malaise that is absolutely anti-American. And the public's right to know, be damned as far as this 0.79

00:09:19.140 president and this group of Marxist Dems leading the regime are concerned. I want to turn to right now 0.69

00:09:26.780 what is happening with China. We're looking at the response of the Biden administration finally to

00:09:34.500 something. Biden holding his first Camp David summit to align allies facing the threat of

00:09:42.140 communist China and South Korea and Japan meeting with the United States to formulate some sort of

00:09:51.300 response. Are you encouraged by that, Gordon? Oh, certainly. Most of the credit for this goes to

00:09:59.260 South Korea's president, Yoon Suk-yeol. He was he's a conservative and he has reversed the policy of

00:10:06.940 his predecessor, the progressive Moon Jae-in. The progressives in South Korea are very anti-American

00:10:12.440 and Moon was essentially a communist. Yoon, to some political damage to himself, has made it clear that

00:10:22.960 South Korea will work closely with Japan in their common defense. This is a result of the historical

00:10:31.180 antagonism where Japan had colonized and actually obliterated the Korean state at the turn of the

00:10:36.960 20th century. But Yoon realizes that the enemy is not Japan. It is China and North Korea, North Korea

00:10:45.600 being fueled by China. So, yes, this is an important summit. It's historic. Kudos go to everybody who

00:10:53.180 participates, but especially to the South Korean president. And your thoughts? Well, you know, I echo and

00:11:00.300 agree with everything Gordon just said. The problem is this, Lou, the guy who's in charge is not credible.

00:11:08.160 So we recognized, I think we spoke about the need to rely upon and organize our allies, especially when

00:11:14.360 you have the Chinese and Russians doing joint exercises. Gordon and I have been on a number of

00:11:18.800 other outlets where Gordon has correctly identified the fact that the demonstration of the Chinese and

00:11:24.120 Russians together working in a military exercise was meant to demonstrate that, hey, they're preparing 0.58

00:11:29.580 for war and they're organized. So kudos on the fact that, yeah, we're trying to organize our allies.

00:11:36.460 But the problem is the duality of message from the Biden administration. While Biden is organizing the

00:11:41.700 folks and having this discussion, at the same time, he's not fully decoupling from China. So the very

00:11:46.720 country we may have to militarily challenge, we're still funding. So it's kind of like if anyone

00:11:55.080 actually sat down and looked at the spaghetti mess of the Biden White House policies, they would see

00:12:02.920 that anything that he's doing publicly is somewhere which would benefit the United States in a way of

00:12:09.060 defending the republic. He's somewhere, somewhere else undermining. And this is where I think as much

00:12:14.820 as I agree with Gordon, I'm not sure this is going to be completely effective in helping strengthen our

00:12:20.040 allies or send a cohesive message to the Chinese. When I think just the Chinese the other day just 1.00

00:12:25.640 was they were making fun of Biden for his lack of ability to respond to a Hawaiian fire. So if you

00:12:30.980 can't if you can't get that right, the Chinese are saying, yeah, you can't get anything else right.

00:12:34.920 Well, what I can't imagine a single instance in which anyone in China, frankly, or Russia should or Iran

00:12:42.680 should in any way be sweating the Biden administration. All of this Biden administration

00:12:48.840 has done is demonstrate vulnerability and willingness, willingness to yield to the

00:12:53.960 ambitions of our enemies. And by that, I mean, principally, China. Gordon?

00:13:00.120 Absolutely, Lou. You know, Tony referred to the executive order that Biden issued on Wednesday,

00:13:07.640 prohibiting investment into primarily for Chinese tech sectors. But this was long, long, long delayed.

00:13:16.920 And it's not actually even a rule now. It was a notice of proposed rulemaking. And these rules will

00:13:22.040 not go into effect until next year. They've already been watered down by industry consultations.

00:13:28.280 They'll be further watered down by industry. And as Tony said, he's not we're still funding

00:13:36.040 a Chinese military that is being configured to attack the United States, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan,

00:13:42.600 the Philippines. Right now, we have China engaged in some very bulletin activities against the

00:13:49.480 Philippines at Second Thomas Shoal. Some of those activities actually rise to the level of an act of

00:13:55.080 war. And we're at a point where, as Tony says, we are we're not defending ourselves and our allies in

00:14:03.640 the way that we should. I was about to ask about our status as a paper tiger, because are the

00:14:11.320 readiness, the lethality of U.S. forces in the Indo-Pacific region are suspect at the very least.

00:14:22.360 Tony, President Biden called China's economy a ticking bomb. And I love the expression, but 0.92

00:14:29.800 this seemed to indicate he thinks this is going to be a persistent, ominous condition for the Chinese.

00:14:40.120 What in the world are we doing putting up with a regime like this that that regime is, of course,

00:14:45.480 the Biden regime when we're we're looking at what are existential threats and why aren't the American

00:14:52.920 leaderships in various sectors of our society and economy saying, let's get this bozo out of the way 1.00

00:14:59.480 and get serious about what we're doing? Well, I think that's what rational people see and would

00:15:04.520 like to do. Remember, we have a hybrid in place right now. You have the media, industrial, the

00:15:13.560 congressional, not so much Congress at this point, except for the Senate, White House complex that

00:15:20.920 essentially like you. You mentioned earlier in the show, Lou, about accountability in the media,

00:15:25.400 ignoring stuff. My friend, you never ignored these things. You were always looking at talking about

00:15:32.760 this sort of thing when you were over at CNN and in other places. That's where you first started

00:15:38.600 talking about the able danger issue. And I respected that greatly. Unfortunately, there aren't people like

00:15:44.280 Lou Dobbs in the media today to call this stuff out. So when you have a Biden administration who is

00:15:49.640 clearly not focused properly on what's best for the American people, no one's willing to call it out.

00:15:55.320 And regarding China, Gordon has been extraordinarily gifted in his ability to be prescient about what's

00:16:01.960 going to happen in China. And he's talking about the same thing Biden is about, China eventually

00:16:07.400 failing. The problem is this. Gordon is going to try to identify solutions that will help protect

00:16:12.920 our interests in the American people. Biden, I think, is only trying to hide and persuade people,

00:16:18.840 you know, that China's bad, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be there. You know, 1.00

00:16:23.160 one point in time during the campaign, he talked about him being kind of an antiquated nation,

00:16:27.240 nothing to worry about. And so I believe Joe Biden is bought off. I think he's been bought and paid for.

00:16:32.760 I think he's going to be the Chinese going to make fun of him because they can. He's not going to do 1.00

00:16:37.320 anything to push back on that. And so you're going to have until someone has the courage to push him out,

00:16:42.040 to impeach him, to do something, get Biden out of the way. The rational thinking of people like you,

00:16:46.760 people like Gordon, others at SYNC PAC, there's people in the military who think as soundly as we

00:16:52.120 do regarding what the real threat is until the Biden administration, Jake Sullivan and all those

00:16:58.680 knuckleheads who clearly do everything through a political lens, not caring one iota about the

00:17:04.360 republic or interests until they're gone. We're going to continue to have this problem.

00:17:08.680 Well, we've got the problem. Question is, what are we going to do about it? We're talking with

00:17:13.000 Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer. We'll continue in just one moment. Stay with us. We'll be right back.

00:17:24.040 We're back. We're talking with Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer. And we're talking, of course,

00:17:28.280 about the developments over the course of this week in national security, some of which have just

00:17:33.160 been plain ignored by the Biden administration. One that doesn't seem to be ignorable is the further

00:17:42.280 expansion by China in the South China Sea and then over those disputed islands. Gordon, your thoughts

00:17:51.640 about the idea of China building a base on another one of the disputed islands. Your thoughts?

00:18:00.520 Yeah, you're referring to Triton, which is in the Paracels. The Paracels are the archipelago in the

00:18:06.520 northern part of the South China Sea. Triton is claimed by China, Taiwan and Vietnam. And it appears that

00:18:16.040 China in the last few days started building a runway there, like they did in the Spratlys,

00:18:21.640 which is the archipelago in the southern part of the South China Sea. But the story here,

00:18:26.760 going back to Tony's point, is that China believes it can get away with it. It doesn't believe that the

00:18:33.480 Biden administration will do anything. And so therefore, it is engaging in what is clearly

00:18:40.600 an act of aggression against Vietnam and Taiwan. So an act of aggression against them,

00:18:46.840 but an act of outright arrogance against the Biden administration and US military power,

00:18:54.920 because we have done nothing over those disputed islands to stop China and its illegal expansion

00:19:02.280 policies, building military facilities across the whole swath of those so-called disputed islands.

00:19:09.880 What do we do here, Tony? I mean, I know what we should do. I just don't know what we do in the

00:19:17.560 face of an administration and a military and an intelligence community that is bereft of either

00:19:25.240 interest, ambition, or sufficient capacity to actually defend the nation and its interests.

00:19:31.720 Well, I think that's where there's a level below removal of a president that I think that has to

00:19:39.480 be focused on. It's the conspiracy of the willing who basically are in place still and understand

00:19:44.360 the damage and danger of what's going on. I pride myself, Lou, on still even being essentially thrown

00:19:51.960 out of government back over the able dangers thing. I've been very effective in working

00:19:56.040 to find coalitions of the willing behind the scenes to get things done. There is something

00:20:01.160 called the deep state. There's also something called the old state. The old state are those

00:20:04.520 who are devoted to the republic, who basically work anonymously, don't seek any credit or

00:20:10.920 acknowledgement, and do what they can to kind of quietly fight the deep state and keep things going.

00:20:15.880 And so these are the folks who are essentially there every day. They go to their job with a

00:20:21.000 pain in their belly knowing about the bureaucracy and bad politics they're going to face, and yet

00:20:27.160 they go in and do the right thing. And God bless these folks. I know a number. And I think it's going

00:20:31.560 to be up to them to hold the line, if I could be dramatic here a bit, until some process of removal

00:20:40.040 of Biden or through elections, through the next election in 2024, he's removed with hopefully a

00:20:45.080 Republican or some reasonable facsimile of a competent leader comes in to start facing off against these

00:20:51.880 folks. Because what has happened is you have a political party that has seized most of the mechanisms

00:20:57.080 of governance. The FBI is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. DOJ is, I would say,

00:21:03.880 the brains of the Democrat Party in many ways right now because of what it's doing. And the republic cannot

00:21:08.920 sustain itself with these compromised institutions. So it's going to be up to those who will do their

00:21:15.640 best to keep the fires going, Lou, to keep those things. My old boss, Bob Harding, General Harding,

00:21:21.000 used to talk about glass balls versus rubber balls as kind of a way of describing the important things

00:21:26.680 that have to be tended to. And I used to, he let me do a lot of really cool things, which a lot of which

00:21:32.440 were reflected in my retirement thing in the congressional record. Walter Jones, Representative

00:21:40.680 Jones read it into the record. So a lot of those are there. But my point is, is that during the time

00:21:44.600 I was working for Bob, he said, Tony, you need to focus on the glass balls as you juggle things.

00:21:49.320 Those glass balls are the things that you cannot replace and you must keep them in the air and going.

00:21:53.640 Rubber balls you can let bounce. So I think we have a situation where I have many who recognize we

00:21:58.520 have glass balls in the air that those things must be tended to and protected. Rubber balls can bounce

00:22:03.560 away and you can pick those up later. But the problem is this, we've got to get something done

00:22:08.680 in the 2024 election or before. But Biden is the single point of failure and he's allowing multiple

00:22:17.240 fissions within our government to be a danger right now. Joe Biden has depleted the

00:22:23.720 Strategic Petroleum Reserve. He has put in place policies in the United States military that are

00:22:29.480 absolutely anathema to the institution meeting its recruiting goals. The military is reviled,

00:22:37.320 not respected, at least the leadership and its public image. Now, it's almost impossible to find

00:22:45.400 fit and capable young men and women who will serve the nation in sufficient numbers as to maintain

00:22:52.680 anything approaching a force that is the size and quality necessary to defend the nation, to deter

00:23:02.360 aggression. We are right now, it seems to me, Gordon, absolutely in the most vulnerable position we have

00:23:11.320 been in my lifetime. I certainly agree, Lou. The important point here is that over the course of the

00:23:20.600 Cold War and afterwards, the United States was deterring bad actors, Soviet Union, China, Iran,

00:23:28.440 North Korea. But we are now losing that and we can see it because of the invasion, for instance, of Ukraine 0.86

00:23:35.640 last year. That occurred because of the catastrophic withdrawal of Afghanistan in August of 2021, two years

00:23:43.880 ago this month. And we are seeing it now in East Asia, where China's engaged in that very dangerous 0.98

00:23:52.360 activity. It's the second time at Shoal and now at Triton. And this is, you can see it around the world,

00:23:59.160 the erosion of the international system. China and Russia have made it very clear they intend to take down

00:24:05.720 the international system, which has been in place since 1648. And we are heading to a very dark time,

00:24:13.800 for the reasons you mentioned. We also shouldn't ignore that base that's apparently going to be built

00:24:20.360 in Cuba, a portion of which apparently has been built and has been there for a number of years. The

00:24:27.480 information is, of course, somewhat sketchy and hardly sufficient for certainty about what I've just

00:24:35.720 described. But we have that expansionary Chinese policy unfolding before our very eyes in this

00:24:43.240 hemisphere and 90 miles from our shores. And nothing is being done, Tony, the intelligence community.

00:24:51.160 You talked about the old state. The old state hasn't done a very good job. Let's be very,

00:24:55.480 very clear about that. The idea of defending us against this just outrageous Marxist dem regime

00:25:06.520 with the Biden puppet presidency. I'm not certain that they have the capacity to do too much. I don't

00:25:13.080 mean to insult anybody here. But the fact of the matter is, they had their shot and man, did they mess

00:25:19.880 it up? Your thoughts? I agree with you. Look, the deep state is a very pervasive and large. The old

00:25:30.040 state is not well-funded. It's very small. You have a lot of retirees who do their best. And that's the

00:25:34.440 thing. It's like, it's kind of the folks who were devoted to the Constitution and the Republic long

00:25:39.640 before these problems came along. And yeah, a lot of these folks are in their 60s, 70s, and 80s. I'm just

00:25:44.440 telling you. So yeah, the odds are very long. And the station you're referring to is Lourdes in Cuba.

00:25:52.760 And that was a Russian listening station long before it became Chinese. But that's the thing,

00:25:57.960 Lou. We knew this was there. We knew the Chinese had an interest. We knew, according to John Kirby,

00:26:04.440 who actually talked about this, that he lied about it when he was asked. I was like, oh yeah, of course we

00:26:08.600 knew, but we told you what you should know. I was going to say, when you quote to me or even mention

00:26:14.920 his name, I have to say my hackles are raised. There's a man who served as an admiral in the

00:26:21.400 United States Navy and whose service I should be permitted to respect. But when he lies through

00:26:29.800 his teeth every day to the benefit of this outrageous administration and puppet president 0.78

00:26:40.840 who is working against the interests of the United States, the hell with him.

00:26:45.240 So I think that's the issue is that you have people like him who infected governments.

00:26:50.200 This goes back to the original question, Lou. Why are people not reporting accurately or explaining the

00:26:54.360 deaths at the Air Force base? Well, because of people like John Kirby are the ones in charge.

00:26:58.440 And the moment you cross that transom, you leave your military oath of office to become a politician

00:27:06.040 first. Then you basically removed any respect anybody should have for you. John Kirby is at best

00:27:14.280 a snake oil salesman. I'll give him credit. I think he could probably be a really good used car salesman

00:27:19.880 because he would be able to lie to your face about the fact that the spark plugs in the 65

00:27:28.280 Chevy's trying to sell you are just fine, despite the fact that they've eaten through the engine block.

00:27:34.600 That's the kind of guy he is. And unfortunately, that's the kind of guy we got in charge right

00:27:38.040 now. So it's a very difficult position. Yeah. Back on Lourdes for a second. There's certain categories,

00:27:43.960 Lou, of deficit regarding information, Chinese blind spots, if you will. Lourdes helps fill out, 0.99

00:27:51.800 fill in a lot of those blind spots. There's some persistent surveillance issues they don't have

00:27:55.720 the answer to. That is the Chinese, the PRC. I mean, Tony, I've got to say, I mean,

00:28:00.120 I know why they would want it there. What I don't understand is why in hell should the United States,

00:28:07.720 the world's only real superpower, put up with this nonsense and create greater exposure to its citizens

00:28:18.200 and to its nation to a foreign power that means to destroy it. We're going to we're going to hear 0.99

00:28:24.440 Tony's answer and Gordon's answer to that question right after this quick break. Stay with us. We're

00:28:29.720 coming right back.

00:28:36.600 We're back with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. And Tony, why in the world is anyone in the United States

00:28:43.160 military without without so much as a peep tolerating this? Why is the intelligence community doing so?

00:28:50.840 And has Washington fallen? This is where I want to be very careful. I think there are people in the

00:28:56.680 service and ranks, as I mentioned before, who feel exactly like we do. And this is where a lot of folks

00:29:01.800 are torn. I mean, and legitimately torn. It's like you've taken the oath of office. You're trying to

00:29:06.520 preserve the Constitution. At the same time, you take a note to follow the the orders and directives of

00:29:11.000 those appointed above you. It's a dilemma. I don't I don't know how you circle that square without

00:29:17.720 getting in some really hot water very quickly. I know people I've been in meetings at the Pentagon

00:29:22.600 where I got to be careful here, too, where I was my job there was to ask was was to help

00:29:28.520 senior leaders drag their feet and not implement a Biden policy. I mean, I've I'm just telling you

00:29:34.760 that's part of what I do is like I come in. My job is to come and say, we don't want to do this.

00:29:39.160 How do we not do it? Oh, I can advise you on that. So I'm telling you, there are people there

00:29:43.800 who are doing their best to hold the line. They know things are wrong, but they know at the same

00:29:49.960 time it's like the the tall poppy thing. You stick your head up, you're going to be the first one cut

00:29:55.400 off. So it's a it's more of a matter of how do we get critical mass of those behind the scenes

00:30:00.520 to establish a path forward to maintain the republic. That's the challenge. And again,

00:30:05.240 I think most people are still looking for the American the American the American citizens are

00:30:10.200 very smart. I think most people know what's going on. This whole Bidenomics thing. My God. I mean,

00:30:15.480 you could go and get a hamburger at a burger joint for five bucks and now it's 15. I mean, people see

00:30:20.840 that. Yes. The American people are the ones that are who are we're we're trying to serve. And the

00:30:26.600 American people are smart. They're more aware than they've been in decades. And they are alert to what

00:30:32.840 is mounting danger from nearly every quarter, whether it be economic, whether it be geopolitical,

00:30:39.640 whether it be, you know, the the biological chemical threats that seem to be mounting as well.

00:30:47.880 Gordon, your thoughts to the same question, if you will, that I that I asked Tony.

00:30:54.520 Yeah, the important thing here and Tony is absolutely right. We have a Biden administration,

00:31:02.280 which policies that best can be described as misguided and probably are a lot worse. And it is

00:31:10.360 very difficult for the military not to follow the orders of the commander in chief. But we can see,

00:31:16.920 you know, I'm, you know, we know that flag officers and others are extremely concerned with the

00:31:23.480 direction that the administration is taking the United States right now. And we're at a point,

00:31:29.000 just to go back to comments you made, Lou, we're at a point where China, Russia and their proxies,

00:31:36.760 Iran, North Korea are threatening. They're threatening to use their most destructive weapons.

00:31:43.960 And we have an administration in the White House, which is oblivious. And they're not doing anything

00:31:50.280 to this point about Cuba. There have been Chinese surveillance sites in Cuba for probably most of

00:31:58.920 this century. We know of three of them, perhaps there's a fourth. And we still have this policy

00:32:05.960 of supporting the Havana government, despite its hosting of an enemy on its own soil. This is

00:32:12.520 something that we can deal with, because you're right, we have the means to deal with this. But we don't

00:32:18.120 have an administration willing to use the power of the United States to protect the American people,

00:32:23.880 a threat which, as you point out, Lou, is 90 miles from Florida.

00:32:28.840 We do have common sense, though, gentlemen, these are these folks who are in the military right now.

00:32:37.560 And let's talk about the folks who have have the highest respect for their duty to the nation and to

00:32:44.520 its security. There are all sorts of ways to proceed here. And that's through everything from leaks,

00:32:52.040 through organization, you name it, to bring some rigidity to the spines of those who are leading

00:33:03.080 the United States military. And I'm talking about military leadership. The civilian leadership is hopeless.

00:33:09.240 So what are we to do? We if we don't have a military that knows the certain path forward and knows

00:33:18.280 and understand and are committed to the security of this nation? I tell you, I get so tired of hearing

00:33:25.560 United States military officers talk about the homeland. I mean, this is the United States of America

00:33:30.760 they're supposed to defend. And do you can you imagine these people being paraded around in these

00:33:36.680 pajama uniforms in during civil civilian duty and being taken seriously? We have we have literally

00:33:46.440 undressed our military. We have stripped them of the equipment and the resources they need. And oh,

00:33:53.480 yes, there won't be reinforcements because they don't even know how the hell to recruit. I mean,

00:34:00.200 it's a disaster. And no one in Congress is talking about it. No one in the Senate is talking about it.

00:34:05.320 No one is being plain spoken and honest. What in the world are we going to do? Because it's not the

00:34:12.360 American people's fault. It is the responsibility of the military. And we've let the military 1.00

00:34:18.280 turn into a sagging, fading institution that is not militarily ready to fight a war on our behalf.

00:34:28.360 Lou, I have an answer to that. It's not a good one. Back right after the Cold War ended in 1992,

00:34:37.880 General Reimer, Chief of Staff of the Army, did a video video message talking about the end of the

00:34:44.440 Cold War and the peace dividend and all that stuff from from Clinton years. And he was adamant in this

00:34:52.200 video, no more task force Smiths, no more task force Smiths. And what that was supposed to mean is,

00:34:58.920 and for those of us, I was not alive during the Korean War, but you may remember this task force Smith

00:35:04.840 was that small unit that went into South Korea to try to defend the South Koreans from the North Korean invasion.

00:35:12.840 And it was decimated. It was badly decimated. Nobody was prepared for that war. And it took at least two

00:35:19.000 years to get going again. I unfortunately see the fact that Reimer's words are going to be ignored.

00:35:26.200 We are going to have more task force Smiths. We're going to have a wake up call, much like Pearl Harbor was 0.91

00:35:32.920 a wake up call to remind people that we have adversaries. They're not measuring their success on the

00:35:39.880 number of diverse people or transsexuals they have in their ranks. They're measuring their success

00:35:45.320 based on lethality and ability to conduct military operations. And unfortunately, I think we're going

00:35:50.360 to we're going to run up against that very soon. You know, there and I know you don't mean it this

00:35:55.720 way, but Tony, what you're saying is that there there is an analog between 1952, 53, perhaps even 1941

00:36:04.920 through 45 for what is happening right now in the United States. I truly believe and I'd like to get

00:36:11.560 your view on this Gordon. I truly believe that the weaponry that will be used in any conflict

00:36:18.680 initiated by the Chinese or the Russians principally, you know, will be extremely quick. It will be 0.99

00:36:26.840 extraordinarily coordinated and pre-planned to the point. There won't be time to put together little

00:36:33.080 study groups in the damn Pentagon to think about what the hell our response should be. 0.99

00:36:37.720 I am sick and tired of the of the treatment of the American people and simply leaving them 0.99

00:36:44.280 effectively naked against the mounting threats around the world with a leadership. It's as if they

00:36:51.320 think this is a game in the Democrat and Republican parties in the House and the Senate. Good Lord,

00:36:59.400 people wake up. Tony, Gordon, your thoughts. Gordon first.

00:37:04.440 Lou, you know, those tabletop exercises that the Pentagon conducts and which think tanks in

00:37:12.120 Washington and other places conduct all show that the United States runs out of critical munitions in

00:37:18.200 about a week. And, you know, going back to your earlier question, what do we do?

00:37:22.680 We have a senior leadership in the Pentagon, both civilian and military, that is, I think,

00:37:30.360 not aware of the urgency of the situation. And that's a long conversation because it deals a lot

00:37:35.960 with what's going on inside China. But what Congress should be doing is demanding that the military stock

00:37:43.560 up on critical munitions, hardened facilities in the region, hardened facilities even in Hawaii,

00:37:50.680 because they could be under attack and sort of and to instill a sense that the United States has to be

00:37:57.720 prepared as U.S. forces Korea. Their motto is, you know, fight tonight, be ready to fight tonight.

00:38:05.240 And the Pentagon is not. Tony, you get the last word. So there's useful experience and policy to

00:38:15.160 come out of those exercises. Plan Orange, Lou, was the plan used, developed during the interwar years

00:38:20.840 between 1930 and 1940, that the Navy and Army exercised at the War College and at the Navy War

00:38:28.760 College, both war colleges. And it worked. That was the plan basically used by Nimitz to defeat the

00:38:33.320 Japanese. So as Gordon is saying, you know, if you examine the deficits of capability and apply 0.59

00:38:40.040 that to an exercise, you'll learn a lot. Unfortunately, Lou, we don't have leadership

00:38:43.960 who's willing to actually look at things in the stark light of day and factual reality. And again,

00:38:51.640 most leaders are politicians in uniforms. And at this point, they ignore those issues to the

00:38:58.760 endangering of the republic. So unfortunately, we have people who think like we do,

00:39:03.640 who understand the challenges, but unfortunately, they're not in positions of power at this point.

00:39:07.400 Well, with that, we are going to conclude this week's review of the condition of our military and

00:39:16.360 our body politic, and indeed, the position we're in around the world and the threats that do exist.

00:39:25.960 Gentlemen, as always, we thank you. I hate to leave it on such a, well, an uninviting note,

00:39:33.480 but there it is. We're talking about reality, and reality right now is threatening and unpleasant to

00:39:39.160 contemplate, indeed. Thank you. Tony Schaefer, Gordon Chang. God bless you both.

00:39:44.440 Thank you, Lou. Thanks so much.

00:39:46.200 Gordon Chang, Tony Schaefer, thanks for being with us. Great Americans both. Thank you for listening.

00:39:51.720 Our guest here Monday will be Just the News Editor-in-Chief John Solomon. Follow me on

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The Great America Show - August 18, 2023

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