MILITARY LEADERS SURRENDER TO BIDEN
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Joe Biden used a number of different code names and aliases when dealing with foreign leaders when it came to documents his son and his business partners were cc'd on. The puppet president has already been exposed over the course of his career for plagiarism, corruption, bribery, and the list goes on.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. Joe Biden once again
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exposed the latest reveal for the puppet president is his alter ego or better put his code name
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or alias. House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer today revealing that when Joe
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Biden was vice president, he went by a number of different code names and aliases when dealing
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with Ukraine and his son Hunter's business dealings. The puppet president has already been exposed over
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the course of his career for plagiarism, corruption, bribery, and the list goes on. This is just
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another. Comer has demanded the National Archives turn over all documents and communications
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with Biden's code names. They are at least this many of them. Robert Peters, Robin Ware,
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JRB Ware. Now, why exactly would the then vice president of the United States be using code
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names and aliases in emails with foreign leaders when it came to documents his son and his son's
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business partners were cc'd on? Comer is demanding the Archives turn over those documents no later
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than August 31st. The National Archives, you remember, was very eager to go after President
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Trump. We'll see how well and quickly they respond when it is President Biden. With corrupt Fulton
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County DA Fannie Willis bringing a criminal indictment against President Trump this week,
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many Republicans are just sitting back. One exception, Georgia State Senator Colton Moore.
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Colton sent a letter to Georgia Governor Brian Kemp saying that he would like to begin an emergency
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Senate session to conduct a thorough investigation of Willis' indictment. Moore in his letter to the
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As a Georgia State Senator, I'm officially calling for an emergency session to review the actions
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of Fannie Willis. America is under attack. I'm not going to sit back and watch as radical left
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prosecutors weaponize their elected offices to politically target their opponents. We must strip
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all funding and, if appropriate, impeach Fannie Willis, end quote. The former Speaker of the House,
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Newt Gingrich, says he believes that Willis got a call from Washington, D.C. to rush the indictment
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to cover up the corruption of Special Counsel David Weiss. Here's Newt talking with Charlie Kirk.
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I am told, this is hearsay, but I am told by a reliable source that Friday evening somebody from
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Washington called the District Attorney in Atlanta and said, you have to indict on Monday.
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We have to cover up all of the mistakes we just made with Weiss. And she said, apparently,
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my jurors aren't coming back till Tuesday. And they said, you didn't hear me.
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You have to indict on Monday. And she said, well, they're not going to get here before noon.
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They said, that doesn't matter. She said, this means it's going to be eight or nine or 10 o'clock
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at night. They said, it doesn't matter. We need the news media shifting off of Weiss.
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Who made that phone call? We don't know. And I'm telling you up front, this is hearsay,
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but it's from a person who has remarkably good sources. I totally believe it, though,
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because that would explain why they leaked and they messed up on the clerk document,
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why she was exhausted and why they had the 11 p.m. press conference, Mr. Speaker.
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The Georgia Senate belongs to the GOP. The Republicans hold a 10 seat majority. And the
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leader of the Senate is a man named Mert Jones, who is also involved. Jones says, though,
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this indictment has nothing to do with getting justice for the American people.
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This has nothing to do with getting justice for the citizens of Fulton County. This is going on for
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two and a half years. She's wasted millions, if not tens of millions of taxpayer money on these
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investigations. She has constantly used this as a PR tool, as a fundraising tool.
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For herself. She's and all the while, crime is up the all time high in the city of Atlanta,
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Fulton County. Homicides, robberies, snatch and grabs, you name it. The jails are overflowing
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because they can't get court dates. And she's wasting all these man hours and resources
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trying to go after, you know, people who were asking questions during the 2020 election cycle.
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And yeah, it's definitely politically motivated. And, you know, I'm happy that we were able to
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defeat her, you know, get the positive ruling for the court there in Fulton County,
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because it was glaring that it's all is partisan politics at its very worst.
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The latest indictment of President Trump has driven the president's poll numbers to all time
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highs as the first GOP debate is now less than a week away. President Trump, however,
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will not be participating. Among the people who are set to be in that debate are Ron DeSantis,
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Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, Chris Christie, Doug Burgum, and Mike Pence.
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The New York Times has obtained documents that show Ron DeSantis, who's now polling third behind,
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Trump and Ramaswamy will be defending Trump and going after Ramaswamy.
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The document from Ron DeSantis' Super PAC says DeSantis will, one, attack Joe Biden in the media
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three to five times, and two, state his positive vision two to three times and hammer Vivek Ramaswamy
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in response. Defend Donald Trump in abstention in response to a Chris Christie attack. That's what
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we can expect. And DeSantis might have finally figured out that Republican voters overwhelmingly
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love and prefer President Donald Trump. Let's turn to our weekly foreign policy panel now.
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Joining us, Gordon Chang, Tony Schaefer. Gentlemen, great to have you back with us for our weekend
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wrap-up. Let's start with something a lot of people probably aren't paying attention to.
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That's an Air Force base here in the United States, in the state of Oklahoma, in fact.
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Tinker Air Force Base. Officials there, Air Force officials are refusing to tell the American public
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why 17 Americans have died on that base so far this year. 17 and they're not talking. No information
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whatsoever about the causes of death, the nature of their deaths, and all the officials will say
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that they were various causes. Is this something the American people should be putting up with?
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Gentlemen, well, Tony, let's start with you. Transparency, as you know, is something I always
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believe should be observed no matter what part of the government it comes from, especially the military.
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And yeah, when you start having extraordinarily observable indicators that something's wrong,
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you need to explain that. And the military has had issues with this for a while. I'm talking to
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someone right now who may be a legitimate whistleblower who was talking about a service fudging the
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numbers. I'm trying to vet this person and see if they're legitimate. And if so, this could be a
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significant indicator that the services are hiding things like this. And the reason they're hiding
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them is because, well, bad leadership. Bad leadership mostly focuses on protecting itself and maintaining
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power rather than maintaining ethics, standards, and accountability. That's my experience. And Lou,
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you know, you and I've had this conversation a number of times over the years. So I think what we're
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seeing here is an indicator that the entire system is compromised at the very top. And when you have
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someone at the very top, like Joe Biden, who is corrupt, I'm more believing now at this point,
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Lou, that they got Biden elected because he would permit and be open to corruption up and down the line.
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And I'm sorry, this cover up is just indicative of that very fact.
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It continues the pattern that is the Biden regime, doesn't it? Gordon, your thoughts?
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I agree with Tony. There needs to be transparency at Tinker. This is statistically improbable. And so the
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American people need to know. The more we know, the more institutions like the Air Force will reform
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themselves. We know the Air Force is a troubled institution. So, yes, I agree with Tony.
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And now we'll see what happens because there is absolutely zero chance that anyone in the national
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media will demand answers because they do not want to upset anyone in the Biden regime, it seems,
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because of not their just their complicity. They are part of the overall Marxist, dim, deep state
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malaise that is absolutely anti-American. And the public's right to know, be damned as far as this
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president and this group of Marxist Dems leading the regime are concerned. I want to turn to right now
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what is happening with China. We're looking at the response of the Biden administration finally to
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something. Biden holding his first Camp David summit to align allies facing the threat of
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communist China and South Korea and Japan meeting with the United States to formulate some sort of
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response. Are you encouraged by that, Gordon? Oh, certainly. Most of the credit for this goes to
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South Korea's president, Yoon Suk-yeol. He was he's a conservative and he has reversed the policy of
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his predecessor, the progressive Moon Jae-in. The progressives in South Korea are very anti-American
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and Moon was essentially a communist. Yoon, to some political damage to himself, has made it clear that
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South Korea will work closely with Japan in their common defense. This is a result of the historical
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antagonism where Japan had colonized and actually obliterated the Korean state at the turn of the
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20th century. But Yoon realizes that the enemy is not Japan. It is China and North Korea, North Korea
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being fueled by China. So, yes, this is an important summit. It's historic. Kudos go to everybody who
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participates, but especially to the South Korean president. And your thoughts? Well, you know, I echo and
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agree with everything Gordon just said. The problem is this, Lou, the guy who's in charge is not credible.
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So we recognized, I think we spoke about the need to rely upon and organize our allies, especially when
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you have the Chinese and Russians doing joint exercises. Gordon and I have been on a number of
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other outlets where Gordon has correctly identified the fact that the demonstration of the Chinese and
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Russians together working in a military exercise was meant to demonstrate that, hey, they're preparing
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for war and they're organized. So kudos on the fact that, yeah, we're trying to organize our allies.
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But the problem is the duality of message from the Biden administration. While Biden is organizing the
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folks and having this discussion, at the same time, he's not fully decoupling from China. So the very
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country we may have to militarily challenge, we're still funding. So it's kind of like if anyone
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actually sat down and looked at the spaghetti mess of the Biden White House policies, they would see
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that anything that he's doing publicly is somewhere which would benefit the United States in a way of
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defending the republic. He's somewhere, somewhere else undermining. And this is where I think as much
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as I agree with Gordon, I'm not sure this is going to be completely effective in helping strengthen our
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allies or send a cohesive message to the Chinese. When I think just the Chinese the other day just
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was they were making fun of Biden for his lack of ability to respond to a Hawaiian fire. So if you
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can't if you can't get that right, the Chinese are saying, yeah, you can't get anything else right.
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Well, what I can't imagine a single instance in which anyone in China, frankly, or Russia should or Iran
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should in any way be sweating the Biden administration. All of this Biden administration
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has done is demonstrate vulnerability and willingness, willingness to yield to the
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ambitions of our enemies. And by that, I mean, principally, China. Gordon?
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Absolutely, Lou. You know, Tony referred to the executive order that Biden issued on Wednesday,
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prohibiting investment into primarily for Chinese tech sectors. But this was long, long, long delayed.
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And it's not actually even a rule now. It was a notice of proposed rulemaking. And these rules will
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not go into effect until next year. They've already been watered down by industry consultations.
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They'll be further watered down by industry. And as Tony said, he's not we're still funding
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a Chinese military that is being configured to attack the United States, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan,
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the Philippines. Right now, we have China engaged in some very bulletin activities against the
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Philippines at Second Thomas Shoal. Some of those activities actually rise to the level of an act of
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war. And we're at a point where, as Tony says, we are we're not defending ourselves and our allies in
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the way that we should. I was about to ask about our status as a paper tiger, because are the
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readiness, the lethality of U.S. forces in the Indo-Pacific region are suspect at the very least.
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Tony, President Biden called China's economy a ticking bomb. And I love the expression, but
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this seemed to indicate he thinks this is going to be a persistent, ominous condition for the Chinese.
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What in the world are we doing putting up with a regime like this that that regime is, of course,
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the Biden regime when we're we're looking at what are existential threats and why aren't the American
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leaderships in various sectors of our society and economy saying, let's get this bozo out of the way
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and get serious about what we're doing? Well, I think that's what rational people see and would
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like to do. Remember, we have a hybrid in place right now. You have the media, industrial, the
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congressional, not so much Congress at this point, except for the Senate, White House complex that
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essentially like you. You mentioned earlier in the show, Lou, about accountability in the media,
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ignoring stuff. My friend, you never ignored these things. You were always looking at talking about
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this sort of thing when you were over at CNN and in other places. That's where you first started
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talking about the able danger issue. And I respected that greatly. Unfortunately, there aren't people like
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Lou Dobbs in the media today to call this stuff out. So when you have a Biden administration who is
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clearly not focused properly on what's best for the American people, no one's willing to call it out.
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And regarding China, Gordon has been extraordinarily gifted in his ability to be prescient about what's
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going to happen in China. And he's talking about the same thing Biden is about, China eventually
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failing. The problem is this. Gordon is going to try to identify solutions that will help protect
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our interests in the American people. Biden, I think, is only trying to hide and persuade people,
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you know, that China's bad, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be there. You know,
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one point in time during the campaign, he talked about him being kind of an antiquated nation,
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nothing to worry about. And so I believe Joe Biden is bought off. I think he's been bought and paid for.
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I think he's going to be the Chinese going to make fun of him because they can. He's not going to do
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anything to push back on that. And so you're going to have until someone has the courage to push him out,
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to impeach him, to do something, get Biden out of the way. The rational thinking of people like you,
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people like Gordon, others at SYNC PAC, there's people in the military who think as soundly as we
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do regarding what the real threat is until the Biden administration, Jake Sullivan and all those
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knuckleheads who clearly do everything through a political lens, not caring one iota about the
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republic or interests until they're gone. We're going to continue to have this problem.
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Well, we've got the problem. Question is, what are we going to do about it? We're talking with
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Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer. We'll continue in just one moment. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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We're back. We're talking with Gordon Chang and Tony Schaefer. And we're talking, of course,
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about the developments over the course of this week in national security, some of which have just
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been plain ignored by the Biden administration. One that doesn't seem to be ignorable is the further
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expansion by China in the South China Sea and then over those disputed islands. Gordon, your thoughts
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about the idea of China building a base on another one of the disputed islands. Your thoughts?
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Yeah, you're referring to Triton, which is in the Paracels. The Paracels are the archipelago in the
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northern part of the South China Sea. Triton is claimed by China, Taiwan and Vietnam. And it appears that
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China in the last few days started building a runway there, like they did in the Spratlys,
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which is the archipelago in the southern part of the South China Sea. But the story here,
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going back to Tony's point, is that China believes it can get away with it. It doesn't believe that the
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Biden administration will do anything. And so therefore, it is engaging in what is clearly
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an act of aggression against Vietnam and Taiwan. So an act of aggression against them,
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but an act of outright arrogance against the Biden administration and US military power,
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because we have done nothing over those disputed islands to stop China and its illegal expansion
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policies, building military facilities across the whole swath of those so-called disputed islands.
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What do we do here, Tony? I mean, I know what we should do. I just don't know what we do in the
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face of an administration and a military and an intelligence community that is bereft of either
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interest, ambition, or sufficient capacity to actually defend the nation and its interests.
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Well, I think that's where there's a level below removal of a president that I think that has to
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be focused on. It's the conspiracy of the willing who basically are in place still and understand
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the damage and danger of what's going on. I pride myself, Lou, on still even being essentially thrown
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out of government back over the able dangers thing. I've been very effective in working
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to find coalitions of the willing behind the scenes to get things done. There is something
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called the deep state. There's also something called the old state. The old state are those
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who are devoted to the republic, who basically work anonymously, don't seek any credit or
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acknowledgement, and do what they can to kind of quietly fight the deep state and keep things going.
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And so these are the folks who are essentially there every day. They go to their job with a
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pain in their belly knowing about the bureaucracy and bad politics they're going to face, and yet
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they go in and do the right thing. And God bless these folks. I know a number. And I think it's going
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to be up to them to hold the line, if I could be dramatic here a bit, until some process of removal
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of Biden or through elections, through the next election in 2024, he's removed with hopefully a
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Republican or some reasonable facsimile of a competent leader comes in to start facing off against these
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folks. Because what has happened is you have a political party that has seized most of the mechanisms
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of governance. The FBI is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. DOJ is, I would say,
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the brains of the Democrat Party in many ways right now because of what it's doing. And the republic cannot
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sustain itself with these compromised institutions. So it's going to be up to those who will do their
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best to keep the fires going, Lou, to keep those things. My old boss, Bob Harding, General Harding,
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used to talk about glass balls versus rubber balls as kind of a way of describing the important things
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that have to be tended to. And I used to, he let me do a lot of really cool things, which a lot of which
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were reflected in my retirement thing in the congressional record. Walter Jones, Representative
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Jones read it into the record. So a lot of those are there. But my point is, is that during the time
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I was working for Bob, he said, Tony, you need to focus on the glass balls as you juggle things.
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Those glass balls are the things that you cannot replace and you must keep them in the air and going.
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Rubber balls you can let bounce. So I think we have a situation where I have many who recognize we
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have glass balls in the air that those things must be tended to and protected. Rubber balls can bounce
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away and you can pick those up later. But the problem is this, we've got to get something done
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in the 2024 election or before. But Biden is the single point of failure and he's allowing multiple
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fissions within our government to be a danger right now. Joe Biden has depleted the
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Strategic Petroleum Reserve. He has put in place policies in the United States military that are
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absolutely anathema to the institution meeting its recruiting goals. The military is reviled,
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not respected, at least the leadership and its public image. Now, it's almost impossible to find
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fit and capable young men and women who will serve the nation in sufficient numbers as to maintain
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anything approaching a force that is the size and quality necessary to defend the nation, to deter
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aggression. We are right now, it seems to me, Gordon, absolutely in the most vulnerable position we have
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been in my lifetime. I certainly agree, Lou. The important point here is that over the course of the
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Cold War and afterwards, the United States was deterring bad actors, Soviet Union, China, Iran,
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North Korea. But we are now losing that and we can see it because of the invasion, for instance, of Ukraine
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last year. That occurred because of the catastrophic withdrawal of Afghanistan in August of 2021, two years
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ago this month. And we are seeing it now in East Asia, where China's engaged in that very dangerous
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activity. It's the second time at Shoal and now at Triton. And this is, you can see it around the world,
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the erosion of the international system. China and Russia have made it very clear they intend to take down
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the international system, which has been in place since 1648. And we are heading to a very dark time,
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for the reasons you mentioned. We also shouldn't ignore that base that's apparently going to be built
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in Cuba, a portion of which apparently has been built and has been there for a number of years. The
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information is, of course, somewhat sketchy and hardly sufficient for certainty about what I've just
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described. But we have that expansionary Chinese policy unfolding before our very eyes in this
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hemisphere and 90 miles from our shores. And nothing is being done, Tony, the intelligence community.
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You talked about the old state. The old state hasn't done a very good job. Let's be very,
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very clear about that. The idea of defending us against this just outrageous Marxist dem regime
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with the Biden puppet presidency. I'm not certain that they have the capacity to do too much. I don't
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mean to insult anybody here. But the fact of the matter is, they had their shot and man, did they mess
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it up? Your thoughts? I agree with you. Look, the deep state is a very pervasive and large. The old
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state is not well-funded. It's very small. You have a lot of retirees who do their best. And that's the
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thing. It's like, it's kind of the folks who were devoted to the Constitution and the Republic long
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before these problems came along. And yeah, a lot of these folks are in their 60s, 70s, and 80s. I'm just
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telling you. So yeah, the odds are very long. And the station you're referring to is Lourdes in Cuba.
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And that was a Russian listening station long before it became Chinese. But that's the thing,
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Lou. We knew this was there. We knew the Chinese had an interest. We knew, according to John Kirby,
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who actually talked about this, that he lied about it when he was asked. I was like, oh yeah, of course we
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knew, but we told you what you should know. I was going to say, when you quote to me or even mention
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his name, I have to say my hackles are raised. There's a man who served as an admiral in the
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United States Navy and whose service I should be permitted to respect. But when he lies through
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his teeth every day to the benefit of this outrageous administration and puppet president
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who is working against the interests of the United States, the hell with him.
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So I think that's the issue is that you have people like him who infected governments.
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This goes back to the original question, Lou. Why are people not reporting accurately or explaining the
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deaths at the Air Force base? Well, because of people like John Kirby are the ones in charge.
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And the moment you cross that transom, you leave your military oath of office to become a politician
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first. Then you basically removed any respect anybody should have for you. John Kirby is at best
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a snake oil salesman. I'll give him credit. I think he could probably be a really good used car salesman
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because he would be able to lie to your face about the fact that the spark plugs in the 65
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Chevy's trying to sell you are just fine, despite the fact that they've eaten through the engine block.
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That's the kind of guy he is. And unfortunately, that's the kind of guy we got in charge right
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now. So it's a very difficult position. Yeah. Back on Lourdes for a second. There's certain categories,
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Lou, of deficit regarding information, Chinese blind spots, if you will. Lourdes helps fill out,
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fill in a lot of those blind spots. There's some persistent surveillance issues they don't have
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the answer to. That is the Chinese, the PRC. I mean, Tony, I've got to say, I mean,
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I know why they would want it there. What I don't understand is why in hell should the United States,
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the world's only real superpower, put up with this nonsense and create greater exposure to its citizens
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and to its nation to a foreign power that means to destroy it. We're going to we're going to hear
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Tony's answer and Gordon's answer to that question right after this quick break. Stay with us. We're
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We're back with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. And Tony, why in the world is anyone in the United States
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military without without so much as a peep tolerating this? Why is the intelligence community doing so?
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And has Washington fallen? This is where I want to be very careful. I think there are people in the
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service and ranks, as I mentioned before, who feel exactly like we do. And this is where a lot of folks
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are torn. I mean, and legitimately torn. It's like you've taken the oath of office. You're trying to
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preserve the Constitution. At the same time, you take a note to follow the the orders and directives of
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those appointed above you. It's a dilemma. I don't I don't know how you circle that square without
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getting in some really hot water very quickly. I know people I've been in meetings at the Pentagon
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where I got to be careful here, too, where I was my job there was to ask was was to help
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senior leaders drag their feet and not implement a Biden policy. I mean, I've I'm just telling you
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that's part of what I do is like I come in. My job is to come and say, we don't want to do this.
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How do we not do it? Oh, I can advise you on that. So I'm telling you, there are people there
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who are doing their best to hold the line. They know things are wrong, but they know at the same
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time it's like the the tall poppy thing. You stick your head up, you're going to be the first one cut
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off. So it's a it's more of a matter of how do we get critical mass of those behind the scenes
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to establish a path forward to maintain the republic. That's the challenge. And again,
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I think most people are still looking for the American the American the American citizens are
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very smart. I think most people know what's going on. This whole Bidenomics thing. My God. I mean,
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you could go and get a hamburger at a burger joint for five bucks and now it's 15. I mean, people see
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that. Yes. The American people are the ones that are who are we're we're trying to serve. And the
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American people are smart. They're more aware than they've been in decades. And they are alert to what
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is mounting danger from nearly every quarter, whether it be economic, whether it be geopolitical,
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whether it be, you know, the the biological chemical threats that seem to be mounting as well.
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Gordon, your thoughts to the same question, if you will, that I that I asked Tony.
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Yeah, the important thing here and Tony is absolutely right. We have a Biden administration,
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which policies that best can be described as misguided and probably are a lot worse. And it is
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very difficult for the military not to follow the orders of the commander in chief. But we can see,
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you know, I'm, you know, we know that flag officers and others are extremely concerned with the
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direction that the administration is taking the United States right now. And we're at a point,
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just to go back to comments you made, Lou, we're at a point where China, Russia and their proxies,
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Iran, North Korea are threatening. They're threatening to use their most destructive weapons.
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And we have an administration in the White House, which is oblivious. And they're not doing anything
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to this point about Cuba. There have been Chinese surveillance sites in Cuba for probably most of
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this century. We know of three of them, perhaps there's a fourth. And we still have this policy
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of supporting the Havana government, despite its hosting of an enemy on its own soil. This is
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something that we can deal with, because you're right, we have the means to deal with this. But we don't
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have an administration willing to use the power of the United States to protect the American people,
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a threat which, as you point out, Lou, is 90 miles from Florida.
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We do have common sense, though, gentlemen, these are these folks who are in the military right now.
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And let's talk about the folks who have have the highest respect for their duty to the nation and to
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its security. There are all sorts of ways to proceed here. And that's through everything from leaks,
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through organization, you name it, to bring some rigidity to the spines of those who are leading
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the United States military. And I'm talking about military leadership. The civilian leadership is hopeless.
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So what are we to do? We if we don't have a military that knows the certain path forward and knows
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and understand and are committed to the security of this nation? I tell you, I get so tired of hearing
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United States military officers talk about the homeland. I mean, this is the United States of America
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they're supposed to defend. And do you can you imagine these people being paraded around in these
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pajama uniforms in during civil civilian duty and being taken seriously? We have we have literally
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undressed our military. We have stripped them of the equipment and the resources they need. And oh,
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yes, there won't be reinforcements because they don't even know how the hell to recruit. I mean,
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it's a disaster. And no one in Congress is talking about it. No one in the Senate is talking about it.
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No one is being plain spoken and honest. What in the world are we going to do? Because it's not the
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American people's fault. It is the responsibility of the military. And we've let the military
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turn into a sagging, fading institution that is not militarily ready to fight a war on our behalf.
00:34:28.360
Lou, I have an answer to that. It's not a good one. Back right after the Cold War ended in 1992,
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General Reimer, Chief of Staff of the Army, did a video video message talking about the end of the
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Cold War and the peace dividend and all that stuff from from Clinton years. And he was adamant in this
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video, no more task force Smiths, no more task force Smiths. And what that was supposed to mean is,
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and for those of us, I was not alive during the Korean War, but you may remember this task force Smith
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was that small unit that went into South Korea to try to defend the South Koreans from the North Korean invasion.
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And it was decimated. It was badly decimated. Nobody was prepared for that war. And it took at least two
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years to get going again. I unfortunately see the fact that Reimer's words are going to be ignored.
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We are going to have more task force Smiths. We're going to have a wake up call, much like Pearl Harbor was
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a wake up call to remind people that we have adversaries. They're not measuring their success on the
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number of diverse people or transsexuals they have in their ranks. They're measuring their success
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based on lethality and ability to conduct military operations. And unfortunately, I think we're going
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to we're going to run up against that very soon. You know, there and I know you don't mean it this
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way, but Tony, what you're saying is that there there is an analog between 1952, 53, perhaps even 1941
00:36:04.920
through 45 for what is happening right now in the United States. I truly believe and I'd like to get
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your view on this Gordon. I truly believe that the weaponry that will be used in any conflict
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initiated by the Chinese or the Russians principally, you know, will be extremely quick. It will be
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extraordinarily coordinated and pre-planned to the point. There won't be time to put together little
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study groups in the damn Pentagon to think about what the hell our response should be.
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I am sick and tired of the of the treatment of the American people and simply leaving them
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effectively naked against the mounting threats around the world with a leadership. It's as if they
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think this is a game in the Democrat and Republican parties in the House and the Senate. Good Lord,
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people wake up. Tony, Gordon, your thoughts. Gordon first.
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Lou, you know, those tabletop exercises that the Pentagon conducts and which think tanks in
00:37:12.120
Washington and other places conduct all show that the United States runs out of critical munitions in
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about a week. And, you know, going back to your earlier question, what do we do?
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We have a senior leadership in the Pentagon, both civilian and military, that is, I think,
00:37:30.360
not aware of the urgency of the situation. And that's a long conversation because it deals a lot
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with what's going on inside China. But what Congress should be doing is demanding that the military stock
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up on critical munitions, hardened facilities in the region, hardened facilities even in Hawaii,
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because they could be under attack and sort of and to instill a sense that the United States has to be
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prepared as U.S. forces Korea. Their motto is, you know, fight tonight, be ready to fight tonight.
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And the Pentagon is not. Tony, you get the last word. So there's useful experience and policy to
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come out of those exercises. Plan Orange, Lou, was the plan used, developed during the interwar years
00:38:20.840
between 1930 and 1940, that the Navy and Army exercised at the War College and at the Navy War
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College, both war colleges. And it worked. That was the plan basically used by Nimitz to defeat the
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Japanese. So as Gordon is saying, you know, if you examine the deficits of capability and apply
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that to an exercise, you'll learn a lot. Unfortunately, Lou, we don't have leadership
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who's willing to actually look at things in the stark light of day and factual reality. And again,
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most leaders are politicians in uniforms. And at this point, they ignore those issues to the
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endangering of the republic. So unfortunately, we have people who think like we do,
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who understand the challenges, but unfortunately, they're not in positions of power at this point.
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Well, with that, we are going to conclude this week's review of the condition of our military and
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our body politic, and indeed, the position we're in around the world and the threats that do exist.
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Gentlemen, as always, we thank you. I hate to leave it on such a, well, an uninviting note,
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but there it is. We're talking about reality, and reality right now is threatening and unpleasant to
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contemplate, indeed. Thank you. Tony Schaefer, Gordon Chang. God bless you both.
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Gordon Chang, Tony Schaefer, thanks for being with us. Great Americans both. Thank you for listening.
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