The Great America Show - MORE THAN 6 YEARS LATER, THE MURDER OF DNC STAFFER SETH RICH REMAINS UNSOLVED BUT A COURT ORDER MAY PRODUCE LONG SOUGHT ANSWERS

00:00:00.000 Hello everybody and welcome to the Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs and great to have you with us

00:00:05.280 on this beautiful day in America. Beautiful may be a slightly hyperbolic word to use in these

00:00:12.560 trying times, what with the Marxist Dems trying their worst to take over these magnificent United

00:00:18.640 States. Normal, even-handed, hard-working, God-fearing Americans all the while just trying

00:00:24.680 to make sense of the totalitarian left and their spine-chilling insistence on despotic rule

00:00:31.000 without any pretense of legitimacy. They are in our face, their inexplicable interest in talking

00:00:37.740 sex and gender with kindergartners, trying to wrest our children from the arms of their parents and

00:00:43.880 family and turn them into possessions of the government. And our government, they've weaponized

00:00:49.860 now against average citizens and former presidents alike. The FBI carrying out illegal searches and

00:00:56.520 seizures of President Trump. The Attorney General threatening parents at school board meetings.

00:01:01.960 The FBI falsifying their own internal records to fraudulently portray a non-existent serious threat

00:01:10.540 by so-called domestic terrorists. Absolute bull, absolute Marxist intimidation by the Department

00:01:18.480 of Justice directed at everyday citizens. It is outrageous. And it is going on far too often

00:01:26.720 all across the country. Meanwhile, Congress and the Senate are simply too weak to bring substantial

00:01:32.680 oversight to the FBI and the Department of Justice. They are beyond the oversight of our legislature.

00:01:40.240 They're beyond control, as is much of the federal government bureaucracy, the deep state. One of the people

00:01:47.460 battling over the years to bring truth to light and fighting the deep state all the way is Ty

00:01:52.960 Clevenger. Ty is a civil rights attorney. He's the president of the Transparency Project. He's also a

00:02:00.140 blogger at lawflog.com. That's lawflog.com. And he's a great American. And in the past week,

00:02:10.120 Clevenger has won an important and years-long struggle with the FBI over records and documents

00:02:16.620 they possess related to the laptop of Seth Rich. Seth Rich was a young employee of the Democratic

00:02:24.080 National Committee who was murdered in July of 2016. A federal judge has just ruled that the FBI must

00:02:32.700 respond to the FOIA request and turn over the information related to Rich's laptop. Ty Clevenger,

00:02:39.920 welcome to the Great America Show. And first, how does it feel to finally, after years of hard work

00:02:46.840 and fighting all the way, to finally have a federal judge say to the FBI, produce the records and

00:02:53.680 documents that you've been seeking all along? Well, it's getting access to the laptop was a huge

00:03:00.440 victory. We asked for considerably more than that, and we'll keep fighting for the other things that

00:03:07.280 we asked for. But getting that laptop is a big deal. There's been a lot of speculation that files

00:03:15.680 have been deleted, and I suspect they have. But we're not so much... Actually, our target was to get

00:03:23.200 the metadata off this laptop because that will show us if the files were deleted, then when they were

00:03:30.100 deleted, and approximately, or perhaps even by whom. But in any event, yes, getting that laptop, that's a big

00:03:37.020 win for us. Now, are you... Will you have the laptop itself physically?

00:03:43.680 We will not. Unfortunately, we will have to depend on the FBI to download that data. There are actually

00:03:51.580 a couple of pieces. It's not just the laptop. There separately was a disk that supposedly was an image

00:04:01.500 of the hard drive on the laptop. So we certainly want to compare the two and see if there are any

00:04:08.360 differences. But you know what's really interesting about this laptop? Within the last year, the government

00:04:15.820 has confirmed that the FBI never looked at the laptop. So it's almost like another Hunter Biden

00:04:23.220 situation. We just put it on the shelf and forget about it. Yeah, you know, it's an interesting choice

00:04:28.980 of words that the FBI has confirmed. When really what is at issue here in many cases, many elements of this

00:04:37.800 case is the integrity of the FBI. You are still at the mercy of whatever integrity is residual within the

00:04:49.420 FBI. How does that make you feel? How should the rest of us perceive that?

00:04:57.640 Well, my confidence in the FBI is between zero and none. I assume they are lying to me until they

00:05:04.320 prove otherwise. They originally said in 2017 that they had no records whatsoever about Seth Rich.

00:05:14.400 And of course, a few years later, and the order, this order last week recounts all of this.

00:05:22.040 They admitted that they had 20,000 pages of potentially responsive documents. Now, they narrowed that down

00:05:29.700 to less than 1,500 and they produced less than 200. But how can we even trust them to narrow that down?

00:05:36.800 I think that's the big question. I have caught them already trying to hide things, playing dumb,

00:05:43.880 pretending like the request was not there. One example is in the same FOIA request, I sought the

00:05:50.440 crowd strike records. Because as you know, rather than the FBI going in and conducting its own

00:05:57.600 investigation of whether the Democratic National Committee was actually hacked, the FBI just

00:06:04.060 depended on crowd strike. So they've got these reports from crowd strike. I asked for those and

00:06:10.040 they just completely ignored me. So I went back and said, look, I asked for these, where are they?

00:06:16.660 And they came back and gave me the cover pages for four reports. And that's all I've got is a cover page.

00:06:22.700 And they claim everything is secret for one reason or another, exempt from disclosure.

00:06:28.960 So you have to fight them tooth and nail to get anything. Another big problem, they have flatly

00:06:36.280 refused to search their email systems. I specifically requested all emails that reference Seth Rich.

00:06:44.060 They just, they refused. And they said, if there was anything of, quote, investigative significance

00:06:52.320 in an email, it would have been entered into their indexing system. Well, even the judge

00:06:59.620 acknowledged that is completely subjective. Who decides what is of investigative significance and

00:07:06.100 what does that? What does that even mean? So they're in tight. It's, it's not just this case,

00:07:11.360 their entire system of FOIA responses or responding to FOIA is designed to fail. It is designed to allow

00:07:21.240 them to hide things. It is designed to allow them to hide things, but it is also to me, as you were

00:07:30.880 talking about what is contained in the judge's ruling. Uh, I mean, it's quite a story in and of itself,

00:07:37.980 but when we, we, this is, this was a robbery gone bad. That was the statement from the, uh, the DC

00:07:46.520 police, correct? A robbery gone bad. Bust robbery. Yeah. Bust robbery. And now suddenly we are being told,

00:07:55.800 not suddenly, there's nothing sudden about this, uh, uh, this story when it comes to the government,

00:08:02.020 but the FBI is saying that there are intelligence implications. There are national security

00:08:08.680 implications. Those are some of the reasons used to justify to the judge, uh, that they will not

00:08:15.100 produce documents and answers and responses to you and your inquiries on FOIA. Uh, this gets to be

00:08:22.020 very peculiar and very quickly. I would think, uh, it would, it would suggest even to the FBI that this

00:08:29.860 has been clumsily handled and that they will, they've only provoked more questions in not answering

00:08:37.060 the earliest and the simplest questions. Your thoughts? Absolutely. Absolutely. If they had come

00:08:42.800 clean early on, we, we would, you know, they're complaining about conspiracy theories. Well then lay all

00:08:48.260 the cards on the table. Um, but you're right. There's so many inconsistencies with this to say

00:08:54.140 this is a botched robbery and to initially claim as the FBI did that we have no involvement. And then

00:09:01.340 we find out there's thousands of pages. And as you said, some of them are deemed classified as matters

00:09:06.700 of national security. That's not a botched robbery. Um, we know that the FBI field offices in San

00:09:14.220 Francisco and in Las Vegas were interviewing people about matters pertaining to Seth Rich. Um,

00:09:22.900 said, you know, this is not a botched robbery. There's, there's something much bigger going on here.

00:09:29.160 Much bigger. And we're dealing with a 26, 27 year old young man, uh, who's out for a drink,

00:09:36.960 uh, walking home, uh, get shot twice in the back. Uh, and the DC police basically want to just push

00:09:45.900 it aside. Uh, as I, as you, the direct word botched robbery, uh, right. Nothing of his was

00:09:54.580 ostensibly taken from him in that botched robbery. So it botched it at the highest level. They took

00:10:02.080 nothing. And when the FBI starts talking about also the implied confidentiality to foreign intelligence

00:10:12.360 services, the, the questions get bigger and broader and brighter. Do they not? What in the world could

00:10:20.200 that be about? Absolutely. There's no way this is about a botched robbery. And you know, there's,

00:10:26.620 there's a lot of external evidence. Uh, Julian Assange all but said that the data that they published

00:10:34.640 at WikiLeaks came from Seth Rich. Um, then, uh, what's, what's her name? Uh, Ellen Radner comes

00:10:41.320 back to the United States from a meeting with Julian Assange and says at a public forum that

00:10:47.240 these emails did not come from the Russians. And Julian Assange, as you know, was hailed as a hero

00:10:53.960 by the establishment media up and until this Seth Rich story. And all of a sudden he's a pariah and a

00:11:00.640 liar. And it's, it's amazing the transformation overnight because this guy dared to suggest that

00:11:08.220 there was no Russian collusion. All of a sudden he he's treated as the bad guy. And speaking of

00:11:17.040 Russian collusion, crowd strike a Democrat, uh, security, cybersecurity, uh, operation, uh, company,

00:11:28.420 uh, with close ties to the DNC and the democratic party. They're brought in to determine whether or

00:11:35.720 not the Russians actually hacked the DNC servers. The FBI for some reason is kept at arm's length and,

00:11:45.800 and permits themselves to be kept at arm's length for whatever reason. I think perhaps we know the

00:11:52.520 reason to that now after six years of the persecution of Donald Trump, but for whatever

00:11:57.920 the reason, they are content to be held at arm's length, uh, by crowd strike while they carry it out.

00:12:05.400 By the way, we've never had confirmation from crowd strike that there was a Russian, that there

00:12:10.920 was a nation state Russian attack on those servers. Have we? Well, on the contrary, we've actually had

00:12:17.600 them state that they have, and I quote, no concrete evidence that it happened. Um, I believe this was,

00:12:23.800 and I can't think of his name. It was the president of crowd strike testified under oath. They have no

00:12:29.700 concrete evidence that the Russians exfiltrated these emails. And so with that, we are left at an ever

00:12:39.840 enlarging enigma. That is, we have the botched robbery and a dead, young DNC staff worker,

00:12:50.580 and who apparently, if one follows your, your investigation and your search for the truth

00:12:59.460 through FOIA and other means, uh, we are talking about intelligence agencies operating, uh, the FBI

00:13:06.940 being involved deeply in what was supposed to be, uh, a, a police department matter, uh, where they sort of

00:13:14.980 let everything, let dust fall on nearly every aspect of this case and, and, and found very little

00:13:23.100 and certainly very little that they wanted to, uh, report to the American public.

00:13:28.800 Where, where is this leading in your judgment right now? We have, what is it? It's less than two

00:13:35.300 weeks now in order to meet the judges, uh, order to, uh, to turn over those documents that you requested

00:13:43.360 surrounding the laptop. Is that not correct? Right. They have, I believe it's, uh, next Thursday,

00:13:50.680 a week from Thursday, the 13th is when it's due. So that's a short fuse. Yeah, that is a very short

00:13:58.400 fuse, particularly for the FBI. I can't, I can't imagine you tell me, uh, do you think the FBI will go

00:14:05.640 into a, uh, a, a, a stone wall, uh, posture here, uh, trying to fight? I'm expecting it. Yes. I,

00:14:15.160 I am expecting them to file something telling the court, we cannot produce it that fast. I think

00:14:20.640 there's also a strong chance they're going to file an emergency petition with the fifth circuit court of

00:14:26.880 appeals asking to shut this down. Uh, I don't think they're going to, to go along with this willingly.

00:14:35.280 So tell us what you expect to happen here. Give us a sense, because this is a, a mystery. Uh,

00:14:43.040 it is first and foremost, it is a murder mystery, uh, that has become something far, far, uh,

00:14:50.960 far more expansive than that. Uh, it's more than just a whodunit, but now it is a who and what has

00:15:00.700 done it. And where in the world does this lead us? Give us your, give us your thoughts on where

00:15:08.180 you're headed here and what you expect from the FBI, which has played the part of, uh, a recalcitrant,

00:15:16.580 a federal agency that does not want to share anything with the American people.

00:15:20.960 I think the FBI is going to keep trying to slow walk this thing. I think we've, we've, we've gotten

00:15:28.500 bits and pieces of information. Uh, it's been slow, but nonetheless, things have come out. I think it

00:15:34.360 will probably continue, uh, to, to, what am I trying to say? Dribble out, uh, slowly. You know, we, we may

00:15:43.160 have an exception with the laptop. We may have a significant breakthrough there. My objective is to get

00:15:49.560 enough evidence, uh, to start pursuing civil litigation against some of the people who are

00:15:56.500 involved. Uh, if we get to that stage, things should move a lot faster, but there is, this goes

00:16:03.220 far beyond the FBI. There was a coordinated attempt, um, by various law firms, large law firms

00:16:13.420 affiliated, uh, affiliated, uh, with the Democrats to basically shut up anybody who dared to question

00:16:22.100 the, uh, the approved narrative on Seth Rich. They sued media organizations. Um, they sued my client,

00:16:30.080 uh, who veered from the script was targeted. Um, so there's something much bigger at play. It's not

00:16:40.740 just the FBI. I think the Democratic National Committee is involved. Um, my client, Ed Gutowski

00:16:47.540 cannot talk because of the settlement agreement, but before that, uh, settlement agreement, he spoke

00:16:54.020 with Joel Rich, who is the father of Seth Rich. Um, and according to Ed Gutowski, Joel Rich said that

00:17:04.280 a spokesman was assigned to them by the Democrat National Committee. So there is a high level of

00:17:12.360 coordination, I believe, between the FBI and the DNC. Wow. And, and to, is, do you have any

00:17:23.820 sense of to what purpose? I think they are, at this stage, they are trying to preserve the whole

00:17:31.140 Russia collusion hoax. If it comes at the pub that they're trying to memory hole, all of this stuff,

00:17:38.520 they're hoping that they've gotten away with it now for what, six years and it's unimportant and let's

00:17:45.980 move on. And I think to some extent they may be succeeding in that, but if it comes out,

00:17:53.820 that not only was this indeed the result of an internal leak, um, and not only did the DNC and

00:18:04.080 Robert Mueller and the FBI spend millions of dollars to try to maintain this false story, but on top of

00:18:13.040 all that, they impeded and or covered up a murder, uh, for those political purposes. I think that's

00:18:22.120 something the public can easily grasp onto. That takes it to a whole new level. I'm not saying

00:18:28.460 that Seth was assassinated by anyone affiliated with the DNC. I don't know that. I've never alleged

00:18:36.140 that. I don't know who was responsible for the murder, but if in fact he was involved as, or he was

00:18:43.000 the leaker of these emails and because of that, there was an attempt to impede the murder investigation,

00:18:50.900 I think the average person can latch onto that and go, wow, this is a level of depravity that we

00:18:58.040 have not seen before. And so I think the Democrats and the FBI have a huge motive to try, try to keep

00:19:04.100 everything under wraps. Well, and it's, it's strange the way things are, are breaking out. Uh, they,

00:19:12.340 they covered up, for example, Hunter Biden's laptop. Uh, they created an entire disinformation program

00:19:20.360 that was strategically, uh, obviously, uh, concocted to provide a, a media shield to a former vice

00:19:31.240 president, Joe Biden, who lied in front of the American people in the second and final debate

00:19:37.580 of the presidential debates of 2020. And it was contrived. It was put together by the principal

00:19:45.520 agencies, NSA, CIA, DIA. This is remarkable in and of itself. And most people in the country did not

00:19:55.000 know for years. And now there've been four of those years that there was a grand jury

00:20:00.700 investigating with, through the U S attorney in Delaware, the president's son for crying out loud.

00:20:06.680 So we are watching. The one that really blows my mind is, is, is Ashley Biden and her diaries.

00:20:13.160 I mean, I, I think the, a solid majority of the American public still have no idea, uh, what happened

00:20:20.380 there, that her diary diary was obtained. She wrote in there that, that she thought her sexual

00:20:26.760 addiction was attributable, attributable to the fact that she took showers with her father, Joe Biden,

00:20:33.080 and that would be bad enough in and by, uh, in and up by itself. But the FBI gets involved

00:20:41.160 to go after the people who found the diary. And so the idea that the FBI can get deeply,

00:20:49.600 deeply involved in partisan politics has already been established. It's, it's not speculation.

00:20:55.420 It's a fact. Yeah, there's, I'm not in any way speculating. What I'm saying is the,

00:21:02.060 it's straightforwardly statements of fact, Joe Biden lied to the American people, Bill Barr,

00:21:09.200 the attorney general at the time chose not to intervene and thereby changed the course of this

00:21:15.100 country's political history. Uh, and unfortunately our economic history as well, it is. So we,

00:21:22.980 we have a government that is beyond, uh, oversight. Uh, they, they laugh in the faces if they don't

00:21:31.840 spit in the faces of the, uh, members of the judiciary committees in the house and the Senate,

00:21:36.760 the oversight committees, uh, we're in a, in a terrible spot and you have a judge who has

00:21:44.460 ordered a response by the FBI. What do you think it'll be as best you can tell at this point?

00:21:55.520 I, I, I think, uh, kind of like I mentioned earlier, I think we're going to get a, I do think

00:22:00.480 we'll get the data from the laptop. Uh, I think there will be files deleted from the laptop.

00:22:06.280 And so then the million dollar question is who deleted those files and when? Um, one thing we

00:22:13.100 haven't talked about is, is what happened to that laptop immediately after Seth died?

00:22:19.680 You would think the cops, well, we, you would think the cops would immediately seize all of his

00:22:26.400 electronic devices. I mean, if you're having a homicide investigation, you want all the data you

00:22:30.800 can get. You want to find out from his phone, who he was talking to. You want to find out who he was

00:22:35.040 texting, same thing on a computer, any files, any emails, that sort of thing. And rather than that,

00:22:42.860 the family took custody of the laptop and the police never sought it, uh, never got a grand jury subpoena.

00:22:51.320 And it was not until I think it was close to a year later that someone in the family, um, volunteered

00:22:59.880 to give that to the FBI and the FBI claims, well, the reason we didn't search it was because we didn't

00:23:07.120 have a chain of custody. Well, you know, the FBI could do exactly what we're proposing to do. And

00:23:12.540 that is go in and look at the metadata and find out if during the period that the family had the laptop,

00:23:20.700 somebody went in there and deleted the files, because if it happened while the family had the

00:23:26.420 laptop, well, then that narrows down the scope of, of who might have deleted the files. And of course,

00:23:32.840 that begs the question of why, why would somebody do that? I mean, if, if my family member died,

00:23:40.360 I, my first thought is, oh, well, let's go get it. Let's go get his laptop.

00:23:44.440 Right. Right. Well, it is a peculiar, a peculiar chain of events, but it, the FBI is engaged in a lot

00:23:55.160 of peculiar events and they, many of them seem to involve laptops. Ty, I, when I think back to,

00:24:02.120 uh, the Anthony Weiner laptop, whatever happened there, it sort of disappeared. There has been no,

00:24:09.500 uh, there's been no, no more reporting on it yet. It was rich with material. Yes, it was rich with

00:24:19.040 material, uh, because we know, for example, that Hillary had classified documents that had been,

00:24:24.860 uh, shared, uh, with whom Abedin, Anthony Weiner's, uh, wife. Uh, and by the way, we, we still don't know

00:24:33.620 what happened to those 33,000 banished emails of Hillary's. These are all open questions, but again,

00:24:41.560 the Weiner laptop, Seth Rich's laptop, Hunter Biden's laptop, there is one common feature in it all.

00:24:49.780 And that is that the FBI at one time or another had access to all of those. And what happened?

00:24:56.260 We know not. They put it on a shelf and did nothing. Well, that's what I can't believe. I can't believe

00:25:03.700 that. Can you? Well, actually that's true. I think, uh, well, certainly in the case of Hunter Biden's

00:25:10.180 laptop or, or Anthony Weiner's, I think they, they know exactly what's on it. They know exactly what's

00:25:17.220 about it. And I can't imagine why the, with the level of engagement now with the FBI, uh, and all,

00:25:27.300 all of the material, uh, the 20,000. Now we know 20, thanks to your investigation and pursuit. We know

00:25:36.100 there are 20,000 pages of documents relating to Seth rich 20,000 pages. This is a long ways from, we can't

00:25:45.620 find any reference to Seth rich at all in the entire FBI cyber, uh, network. It's, this is craziness,

00:25:54.340 is it not? It is. It absolutely is. I tell you the one person who could probably make this or open

00:26:02.340 this up faster than anybody is Jim Jordan. If, uh, if the Republicans take control of the house and he

00:26:09.620 becomes the judiciary chairman, uh, I hope he starts to ask the FBI about some of these questions. We know

00:26:16.740 he's, he's got a lot of information from whistleblowers. Um, but somebody needs to ask about these records about

00:26:24.100 Seth rich. I hope he will be the one to do it. Maybe you can invite him on and ask him, but somebody needs to

00:26:30.260 start asking the FBI, what happened with these records and why, and, and force the FBI to turn

00:26:37.060 them over. Well, you've asked for records because we know one thing is a result of this six years of

00:26:44.500 persecution of Donald Trump and what we have seen the FBI, the department of justice may be proved

00:26:51.460 guilty of, uh, one of those is that they work, uh, I think, uh, impressively, uh, and I, I think

00:27:00.500 surprisingly closely with other intelligence agencies, uh, whether it be the NSA, uh, whomever is the CIA.

00:27:10.260 There's a closeness there that I never suspected when it came to domestic issues, but it's also clear

00:27:15.860 that it's there. You have sought records concerning the, uh, NSA and the CIA, but the FBI refused to

00:27:24.740 confirm or deny. And it's a number of instances, uh, uh, your questions where, where do you go next?

00:27:35.620 Well, we're continuing to litigate that we've got some other FOIA cases out there that hopefully we

00:27:40.900 will get decisions on soon. Um, one that may be of particular interest is I asked the CIA for any

00:27:48.980 records showing that it inserted Russian fingerprints into these DNC emails. And by that, I mean, um, did

00:27:57.300 the CIA make it look like the Russians had hacked these emails by inserting particular types of code

00:28:07.620 in there? Also, did the CIA have any role in the operation of Gucifer 2.0 or DC leaks, which both are

00:28:17.940 online entities that supposedly are affiliated with the Russians and had a role in distributing

00:28:25.460 these emails. And in both cases, uh, the CIA has said that it can neither confirm nor deny

00:28:33.380 on national security grounds. And so I spoke with an investigator I worked with who's retired CIA.

00:28:39.620 And I asked him and he said, if they could deny that they would have done it at the top of their lungs.

00:28:45.380 Uh, another CIA colleague, colleague of his said the same thing. When you're asked as an agency, if you

00:28:54.020 fabricated Russian collusion, uh, your first instinct to say, absolutely not. And instead,

00:28:59.780 they're saying neither confirm nor deny. Similarly, I asked for records that John Brennan's task force

00:29:07.860 at the CIA or whether that task force had tried to create the false impression that Donald Trump was

00:29:16.340 colluding with Russia. And they came back with the same response, uh, neither confirm nor deny it's

00:29:22.980 classified national security. And there are exceptions to the classification process. You're not supposed

00:29:30.420 to use classification to conceal something illegal. You're not supposed to use it to classify something

00:29:38.260 just for the purpose of preventing embarrassment. And you're not supposed to classify something that has

00:29:43.540 no national security value. So my question to the court was, if in fact, they, they tried to frame

00:29:52.260 Donald Trump, why is that a national security issue? That's only a matter of trying to cover up something

00:29:57.940 illegal. And so we're waiting for the court to rule on that. It is interesting to think about the overlap

00:30:05.300 there. Uh, when, if you're talking about us intelligence agencies involved in a conspiracy

00:30:11.780 to, uh, overthrow, uh, a, a, a sitting president, uh, we know for a fact that the, uh, the FBI was

00:30:21.460 involved in an effort to frame general Michael Flynn in August, uh, July and August of, uh, 2016,

00:30:30.980 before he'd even been made a national security administrator. Uh, it, we know for a fact, uh,

00:30:39.060 the, the involvement of the FBI and the department of justice in those efforts, uh, to carry out the

00:30:45.140 Russian hoax as president Trump called it, uh, crossfire hurricane as the FBI called it, uh, and an

00:30:51.780 attempt to overthrow the president of the United States as I call it. Uh, so if, if we, uh, if,

00:30:59.940 if we look at this, a federal judge in DC has already declared, uh, that 16,000 people in the NSA

00:31:07.940 data intercept base have been searched, uh, by the FBI, uh, which raises the question,

00:31:13.620 how did the FBI search without the cooperation of the NSA? That is, uh, that, uh, certainly intimates

00:31:21.860 that there is cooperation between the two agencies. Uh, your thoughts on where that might lead?

00:31:30.100 Well, we've actually got a FOIA case pending, um, to get the names of the 16,000 people who were

00:31:37.460 illegally surveilled. Um, I can almost guarantee you that the overwhelming majority, if not all of them,

00:31:46.980 uh, were political targets, uh, specifically Republicans of interest to the, to the Democratic

00:31:53.620 National Committee, we already know that during the end of the Obama administration, you had Samantha

00:31:59.700 Power powers and others, um, who were searching for people inside of the NSA database. So I think

00:32:08.180 what we're going to find is that the, the DNC had access or at least had the ability, uh, to search for

00:32:16.420 its political opponents and dig up dirt. Um, we know, for example, in the case of Michael Cohen,

00:32:22.500 uh, who was one of President Trump's lawyers, uh, who was, of course, indicted and convicted

00:32:30.740 that this, the story went out that Michael Cohen had been in Prague in Czechoslovakia, or I guess that's

00:32:37.140 the Czech Republic now, uh, to, to find information related to some of these supposed collusion

00:32:45.140 activities by the president. That turned out to be completely false. Um, there was another Michael

00:32:51.380 Cohen who went to Prague, and so that begs the question, how did that end up in this report, the

00:32:58.180 Steele report specifically, Christopher Steele report? Uh, and, and most likely, if not the only

00:33:04.180 explanation is that somebody tapped into the NSA database, found out there was a Michael Cohen in

00:33:11.060 Prague, and then made the mistake of assumed, of assuming it was the president's lawyer. Uh,

00:33:16.580 but in any event, I think we're going to find out that the NSA database has been used, um, for political

00:33:24.980 opposition research. It's been used on a fairly widespread basis. Uh, we also know, for example,

00:33:31.940 that Perkins Coey, which is the big, uh, Democrat law firm used by Hillary Clinton and other prominent

00:33:38.260 Democrats, they have a portal in their office. Um, according to some whistleblowers that went to

00:33:45.940 Jim Jordan, uh, they have a portal in their office whereby they can access access the, uh, this, this

00:33:52.420 database. Um, and so that's what we're trying to find out. Does, does the Democrat Party have the

00:33:59.620 ability through Perkins Coey to search its political opponents, uh, by, by finding out, uh, what their

00:34:08.660 communications were or any other kind of data intercept? Well, Ty Clevenger, folks, if you haven't

00:34:16.580 figured this one out, uh, I'd be amazed. Uh, he's not only, uh, uh, uh, talking, uh, truth to power. He's

00:34:25.860 going after truth, no matter how much power, uh, he has to fight, uh, and he's fighting the biggest,

00:34:32.180 whether it be the FBI, the Department of Justice, whether it be the U S government and all its various

00:34:37.540 agencies, intelligence agencies, uh, the Democratic Party as well. Uh, and Ty, I just got to tell you,

00:34:45.700 uh, I am so impressed with what you've achieved. Uh, and so proud of you for having, uh, moved this,

00:34:53.540 move this far into the, uh, if you will, the belly of the beast. Uh, and I can't wait for the next, uh,

00:35:02.180 chapter, uh, to unfold here as you pursue truth for all of us, uh, with this government that, uh,

00:35:08.660 seems to be absolutely, uh, uh, averse to truth, uh, and to justice. Ty Clevenger, thank you for all

00:35:18.020 you're doing for the country. Uh, we appreciate it. God bless you. Thank you, sir. Thanks everybody

00:35:24.660 for being with us today. It's truly amazing what our own government has become involved in,

00:35:29.780 in this country, but our government hides from the public, what lies they tell and have told how hard

00:35:36.180 it is now to discover simple truth, but let's move ahead and let's persevere here tomorrow, former top

00:35:44.100 Pentagon official, former senior staffer on house intelligence and great American cash Patel,

00:35:50.580 our guest right here tomorrow. Please join us until then. God bless you and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - October 05, 2022

MORE THAN 6 YEARS LATER, THE MURDER OF DNC STAFFER SETH RICH REMAINS UNSOLVED BUT A COURT ORDER MAY PRODUCE LONG SOUGHT ANSWERS

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