The Great America Show - MOST AMERICANS DISTRUST FBI

00:00:00.000 Folks, we're teetering on what could be an economic meltdown, threatening to wash away

00:00:04.800 our savings and retirement. Inflation has surged to levels unseen in 40 years. Gold is the smartest

00:00:11.600 and most responsible investment you can make for you and your family in times like these.

00:00:17.600 A safe haven asset that protects your purchasing power and your wallet from inflation. When it

00:00:23.100 comes to protecting your IRA or 401k, trust only the best. My friends at Allegiance Gold.

00:00:30.300 Allegiance Gold has earned the highest trust ratings in the precious metals industry

00:00:34.400 and builds relationships based on integrity, expertise and impeccable service. Get up to

00:00:40.780 $5,000 in free silver on a qualifying purchase when you visit protectwithlew.com today or give

00:00:48.340 them a call at 844-6484-LOU. Don't wait. Take control of your retirement today. Call 844-6484-LOU

00:01:01.260 and speak with one of their experts. Time is of the essence. Protect your future with Allegiance

00:01:07.480 Gold. Visit protectwithlew.com or call 844-6484-LOU.

00:01:18.340 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you with us.

00:01:28.640 Jack Smith, the junkyard Marxist Dems special counsel, is exceeding himself these days. And

00:01:35.500 like his boss, the Attorney General, Marxist Merrick Garland, Smith is shredding the Constitution,

00:01:42.320 abusing his powers as special counsel as he crushes the rights of President Donald Trump.

00:01:47.580 The Marxist Dems activist is demanding D.C. Judge Tanya Chutkin impose a new gag order on President

00:01:55.580 Trump. Judge Chutkin imposed a gag order on President Trump last week to keep him from

00:02:01.460 criticizing Jack Smith or any of his other prosecutors. But that gag order the judge lifted

00:02:07.880 just a few days later when Trump's attorneys convinced her that Smith had no basis to request

00:02:14.020 that gag order because there is no proof of any threats against Smith or his team. This week,

00:02:20.560 Smith submitted a new demand for a gag order against the former president. Smith wanted Trump to not be

00:02:26.420 able to speak of him, his staff, or any of the witnesses in the case. If Trump were to break that gag

00:02:32.000 order, Smith is requesting Chutkin impose jail time as well for the former president. Trump's legal team

00:02:38.940 has until tomorrow to file a reply to the Marxist motion. Smith is downright vile, folks, and mad with

00:02:45.460 his special counsel powers, who is trying to trample President Trump's constitutional rights of free

00:02:51.320 speech while someone is apparently leaking stories to the national media from or about the special

00:02:58.340 counsel's office and the case. And the manhunt for a Lewiston, Maine, mass shooter is still underway.

00:03:05.320 Police in Maine and the bordering states are searching for 40-year-old Robert Card. Card opened

00:03:11.960 fire on a restaurant and bowling alley Wednesday night. He killed 18 people. He left 13 more injured.

00:03:20.000 The suspect is trained. He's a firearm instructor, and he is an Army reservist. Law enforcement officials

00:03:27.160 are reporting that Card had recently been experiencing mental health issues, including hearing voices and

00:03:33.220 making threats to carry out a shooting at a National Guard base in Saco, Maine. I want to bring in our

00:03:40.040 guest now. He's investigated many tragedies, unfortunately, like the one in Maine that has

00:03:45.700 all of us asking how could this have happened. Our guest is James Gagliano, who served as supervisory

00:03:52.060 special agent in the FBI and who is now the mayor of Cornwall-on-the-Hudson in Orange County, New York.

00:03:58.780 James, great to have you back with us on The Great America Show. Let's begin with what you think

00:04:04.080 happened in Lewiston, Maine. Yeah, Lou, first of all, good to join you. As always, I wish it was

00:04:10.220 under different circumstances. This is an absolutely horrific story. And yeah, we live in a country where

00:04:18.640 we balance security with civil liberties, and we respect the Second Amendment. And, you know, we have a

00:04:24.940 full process in dealing with people with mental health conditions. And obviously, we have an

00:04:30.060 instance here, we have an army reservist, somebody who literally trained just about four and a half

00:04:35.860 miles from where I'm sitting in my office right now at the United States Military Academy this summer,

00:04:41.200 and was on the radar with having some mental health issues and problems. And obviously, when you marry weapons, 0.76

00:04:48.300 and a trained reservist with what I often describe in having looked at these mass shootings across now,

00:04:56.940 geez, going back to 1999 and the Columbine shooting, which really put mass shooters on the radar in the

00:05:03.400 United States, these folks are grievance collectors. And yeah, we know that over 60% of them have some

00:05:09.720 type of mental health issue. That's obvious. If you're going to shoot people and kill them,

00:05:13.600 you're either depraved and evil, or you've got mental health, you know, instability or a combination 1.00

00:05:19.480 of both. And we know that generally speaking, the vast majority of these folks are on law 0.98

00:05:26.080 enforcement's radar or officials radar at some point in time before they snap. And again, we don't know

00:05:31.980 what triggered this. There's, you know, there are rumors out there that, you know, that he was hearing

00:05:36.540 voices and that somebody had said something to him, and he knew the place as well that he went into last

00:05:42.000 night. But what an utter, utter tragedy. And look, we're not out of the woods yet, literally here,

00:05:48.140 because until he is safely apprehended or brought to justice, there's a shelter in place in Lewiston,

00:05:54.780 Maine, and the surrounding areas, because police do not know if he's escaped the dragnet. They didn't

00:06:00.640 know how big to set it because they didn't have a vehicle to follow. And this guy could be as far away

00:06:06.780 as Ohio by now, if he had been in a vehicle and just jumped on the freeway. So it is really

00:06:12.220 concerning right now for law enforcement, Luke, for all of us. And as a number of people have pointed

00:06:16.960 out, this couldn't be more dangerous for law enforcement themselves in trying to apprehend

00:06:22.100 him. Because as you point out, this man was not only has a gun or guns, he is a gun instructor,

00:06:29.500 a firearms instructor. And he has already proved that he knows how to handle a weapon, unfortunately.

00:06:41.780 Your thoughts about what this does to law enforcement right now, it seems to me,

00:06:46.520 without any doubt, in harm's way. Well, as a former SWAT team commander in the FBI and as a former

00:06:52.520 member of the FBI's hostage rescue team, I can tell you why this is a nightmare. Two things jump out at me

00:06:58.800 really quickly. I mean, first of all, one of the things that people appreciate about Maine is how

00:07:03.760 rural it is, how much woodland it has, and the places where somebody, especially somebody with

00:07:09.700 military experience, could go to secrete themselves, to hide, to escape and evade.

00:07:16.680 And then the second piece of this being the fact that you have a rolling crisis site now. Static

00:07:23.020 crisis sites, what we call barricaded subjects, are tough enough to deal with. But now you have a

00:07:28.080 rolling one where you do not even know where the subject is. The subject has ability to take

00:07:33.540 hostages or, or kill or harm more people. And that's what's ratcheted this up. Look, the federal

00:07:40.400 government, the state police in Maine, the local police there, I mean, every resource is turned out

00:07:46.800 right now. They are going to do absolutely everything to apprehend this person. But this is going to be

00:07:52.780 tough. This is right now looking for a needle in a haystack. And he's on his home ground, as it were.

00:08:00.220 And it's also, I would like to get your judgment about whether you think this, this man has planned

00:08:06.260 this out for some time. Does he have guns, weapons, ammunition somewhere cashed? Does he have food?

00:08:14.720 Does he have a place where he's headed? Do you think this was planned to that level? Or is this a man

00:08:20.780 just simply snapping and, and falling apart?

00:08:25.560 It's difficult right now with what we have out in the public domain, which is what you and I and

00:08:30.320 most civilians are, you know, hearing from, you know, you're hearing news reports and things like

00:08:35.740 that. Generally speaking, mass shooters are people that plan these things out. Now, you did point out

00:08:42.120 there, there is a certain percentage of them that something triggers or they snap and all of a sudden

00:08:48.480 they act. But in this instance, you know, what the motive was, we don't know. Now I've heard,

00:08:54.840 you know, I've heard, you know, obviously mental health is a preeminent condition. And I think what

00:08:59.920 police are looking at here, and that's quite obvious with the history that this gentleman had

00:09:04.380 with, you know, being committed and being checked for his mental health condition and status

00:09:09.960 in that. But look, I mean, there's a lot of reasons why these things happen. It could have

00:09:15.780 been a domestic dispute, does not appear to be that way, the way it looks right now. It could have

00:09:20.620 been workplace violence, doesn't appear to be that way right now, could be a hate crime, doesn't appear

00:09:27.000 to be that way right now. Now, we're going to learn more things as, as the investigation continues.

00:09:32.600 But look, first and foremost, this guy's got to get apprehended. We've got to make sure that no one

00:09:37.560 else can. It's difficult even for for anybody to be able to stop, pause, grieve when we have an

00:09:44.600 escaped mass murder. And that's what he is, an escaped mass murder on the loose. Whether or not

00:09:50.440 he planned it, that'll probably once they do bring him, they apprehend him. And Lou, I'll go on record

00:09:56.120 right now. He will be tracked down. I have the utmost trust and confidence in law enforcement.

00:10:02.420 When something like this happens, and they mobilize everything from the local, state and federal level,

00:10:07.560 he will be apprehended. My hope and our prayers are certainly that no one else gets hurt in the

00:10:14.360 pursuit of bringing him into justice. Absolutely. And his name is Robert Card.

00:10:23.560 He was apparently in a mental health institution of some sort at West Point while he was on reservist

00:10:30.760 duty there for two weeks this summer. And yet here we are.

00:10:37.800 Yeah, that's it. And this is where it's chilling for me as a as a West Point graduate and somebody

00:10:43.080 that was stationed there for four years and understanding how units rotate in and out,

00:10:48.840 you know, active duty army units like the 82nd Airborne or the 101st Airborne

00:10:53.960 come in to help train cadets every summer. They train the plebs, the freshmen, they train the 1.00

00:10:59.400 sophomores, what we call the yearlings. And they also bring in reserve units. And this this this person,

00:11:05.720 this Mr. Card appears to be a reservist, an army reservist. And so he would have had access to

00:11:14.280 weapons like M4s and shotguns and and sidearms and things like that. Now, I don't have any of the

00:11:21.880 details on the weapon or weapons that he used other than the pictures that police have released

00:11:26.760 of him holding what appears to be an AR style rifle. But yes, that that is extremely troubling.

00:11:33.400 And then to think that he's on this this this part time, this reservist duty training cadets,

00:11:39.240 training future army officers in the United States Army. And he does get brought in by the state police

00:11:45.400 for a mental health evaluation. And I think he's he's kept for a period of time. I don't know how

00:11:51.240 many hours, whether it's, you know, states have different laws, 72 hours up to two weeks or

00:11:55.480 whatever it is. But yes, extremely troubling. We're talking with James Galeano and James,

00:12:01.320 we're going to be right back. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We're going to take up with the

00:12:06.040 James former special agent of the FBI, as I said. And we're going to talk about what is going on with

00:12:12.200 the FBI with the latest revelation that 40 confidential FBI informants were actually discredited

00:12:22.120 by FBI officials so that their stories about Biden criminality could be concealed further.

00:12:29.560 We're coming right back. Stay with us.

00:12:31.080 We're back now with James Galeano. And as I said, former former FBI special agent, a distinguished career

00:12:45.560 and law enforcement. And I just want to ask you, James, we have this report initially from a letter

00:12:53.160 from Senator Chuck Grassley to the attorney general calling out the FBI and the Justice Department over

00:13:00.520 the issue of 40 confidential informants over the years from Biden's vice presidency to now

00:13:08.440 related to criminality. And the FBI is this is the allegation actually discredited all of them

00:13:16.680 and never brought forward any kind of investigation. Your reaction. Yeah. You know, this is a tough one

00:13:24.200 for me because not actually having an opportunity to actually see what the the intelligence underlying

00:13:30.600 these what they're called is FD 1023s. And this is at times raw intelligence. And look, the number 40

00:13:37.880 sounds staggering to me, Lou. And I'm sure that that's the way that you and your listeners would

00:13:42.520 take it. Like, how could that be possible? Every confidential informant cannot have the information

00:13:49.400 they give to the FBI verified. And sometimes it's motivated by revenge or an attempt to get paid

00:13:56.200 for information or, you know, for any other host of reasons. And so the FBI has to do a really,

00:14:02.440 really careful job of vetting sources and vetting information. Now, on the outside looking in and

00:14:08.280 having prepared FD 1023s before and having dealt with, you know, cooperating witnesses and confidential

00:14:14.680 informants, human intelligence across 25 years in the FBI, that seems to me like a staggering number.

00:14:23.880 And again, is it, you know, is it is it is it indicia that, you know, the FBI is is running

00:14:30.200 interference for, you know, the Bidens for the president and obviously for his brother and

00:14:35.640 obviously his son Hunter have been in the news quite often. I'm loathe to say that only because I know that

00:14:41.880 the men and women that are doing the hard work, that that's not what they do. But my gosh, from the

00:14:47.320 outside looking in and, you know, in light of what you see, the former president going through right

00:14:52.840 now with, you know, the indictments and court hearings and and and similar instances of quote

00:14:59.160 unquote malfeasance in regards to confidential documents being improperly stored, it does appear

00:15:05.880 and it pains me to say this. It does appear like there is a set of double standards when it comes

00:15:11.800 to the former president and the current president, Lou. Well, and I agree with you and I and I know

00:15:18.760 how difficult it has to be for you, for anyone, a former FBI agent from that storied agency to see

00:15:25.240 what has befallen it. And by the way, an example, the Justice Department, the FBI just acknowledging that

00:15:33.400 Trump did not try to influence a decision. And it took them four years to to come to a conclusion.

00:15:43.640 I mean, it's just it's crazy what's happening. It was obviously stretched out for political purposes.

00:15:51.320 That's the only explanation I can imagine it again. It is. I cannot argue with your premise there.

00:15:58.440 I the only thing I can push back on is, you know, I know that the men and the women that are there

00:16:04.280 are collecting this information are doing it righteously. I mean, yeah, you have bad apples

00:16:09.640 everywhere. But unfortunately, when you get higher up in the agency, I'm just like anywhere else. And

00:16:14.520 the FBI director is a political appointee. I mean, he's supposed to be a political, impartial and

00:16:20.520 unbiased, just like the attorney general, the head of the Department of Justice is supposed to be

00:16:25.400 impartial, apolitical and unbiased. But they're appointed by elected officials. They're appointed

00:16:31.000 by the president and they serve their term at the pleasure of the president. He can fire them if he

00:16:35.800 wants to. And he can hire somebody else. Now, I was heartened to see that Senator Grassley did not

00:16:41.240 appear just to be, you know, throwing this out there to make some noise in the news cycle, but had

00:16:46.040 actually I guess he's going to do it via subpoena. But he identified, I think, some 25 Department of

00:16:51.880 Justice and FBI personnel that he wants to bring in for interviews in front of Congress. And I think

00:16:56.520 that's the appropriate thing to do. Get some answers on this and look at there's things that,

00:17:00.920 you know, it's protected source information and it might reveal sources and methods or something like

00:17:06.600 that. You can certainly do this behind closed doors. But the vast majority of this in regards to

00:17:12.120 looking at how could you dismiss 40 and I'm going to use the term independent. I don't know that for

00:17:17.880 certain. But if there are 40 independent sources that come to information regarding violations of

00:17:24.520 IRS statutes or, you know, violations of, you know, dealing with with with with foreign or acting as a 0.90

00:17:32.920 foreign agent or dealing with, you know, foreign emissaries. Well, hell, hopefully we'll get an answer 1.00

00:17:37.800 to it then. I mean, I think he's taken the right route in doing this. And indeed, as you suggest,

00:17:42.200 we're we're talking about just so much here that has to has to be resolved. And it seems as though

00:17:51.080 the I'll put it this way, the Biden administration in its various agencies in the departments that

00:17:57.080 obviously controls, they're fighting. They're fighting sunlight and transparency every way they

00:18:03.880 possibly can. We're talking with James Galliano, former special agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

00:18:10.920 We'll be right back and we'll try. We'll try to examine just a couple more of these claims

00:18:16.680 that have been made against the Biden presidency. Stay with us.

00:18:26.360 We're back now with James Galliano. And James, again, thank you for being with us here on The Great

00:18:30.520 America Show. You know, as we look at what's happening and the investigations in Congress,

00:18:36.360 four committees, three of them full committees and a subcommittee on weaponization of government,

00:18:43.320 as you as you look at what has been alleged, forget everything else, just what they've the evidence

00:18:49.640 that's been brought forward so far by the House Oversight Committee. What is your judgment about

00:18:55.720 what is happening with the government, the federal government of this country? Because personally,

00:19:01.240 I don't recognize what it's become over the course of the last 10 or 15 years.

00:19:08.200 As an American citizen, Lou, infuriated. As a retired FBI supervisory special agent that spent

00:19:17.480 fully one half of his life in an agency that I love and that I, if you cut my veins, would bleed blue and

00:19:24.520 gold. Disheartened. Disheartened, again, not because of the of the work of the men and women 0.74

00:19:32.680 in the FBI. Trust me when I tell you this. We were just speaking about the manhunt up in up in Maine

00:19:38.440 right now. There are good men and women of the FBI up there. They're behind dogs trying to track this

00:19:43.480 guy down. They're collecting evidence. They're conducting interviews. They're working with victims to

00:19:48.760 to to to to help them as victim specialists. They're doing all the things that that America

00:19:55.000 rightly expects them to do. But unfortunately, that's not the entire FBI. And unfortunately,

00:20:00.520 at the top of the FBI and some of the decisions of the FBI, I'm I'm I'm disheartened. When you hear

00:20:07.640 what the whistleblowers have to say and would you hear what, you know, IRS agents of of of good

00:20:13.400 reputation have come out and said. And when you hear, you know, U.S. attorneys and people involved

00:20:18.520 in DOJ and what they've come out and said, I'm disheartened as a former as a retired FBI agent.

00:20:26.040 I just I truly am. It's when the FBI has a favorability rating, a trust rating with the

00:20:32.040 American public that's below 50 percent. We need to be concerned about that. And I know that there were 1.00

00:20:38.920 times, you know, when the FBI had missteps in the past, whether it was during the civil rights era

00:20:43.240 and COINTELPRO or the black bag jobs we did without, you know, court orders. Yes, it's it's an

00:20:49.880 imperfect agency, but it has a legacy that is is is is nonpareal is there's not a finer organization

00:21:00.440 in law enforcement than the FBI. I truly believe that to this day. But unfortunately, I think the

00:21:05.640 trust and the confidence of the American people has been trampled upon. And I think it's going to

00:21:10.520 take a long time before, you know, takes a long time to earn a good reputation. It just takes a

00:21:15.960 couple of things that you do that can destroy a reputation. And unfortunately, some of these

00:21:20.600 self-inflicted wounds, for whatever reason, partisanship, lunacy, simple mistakes, whatever

00:21:28.440 it is, it's going to take a long time to repair. I mentioned Christopher Wray last weekend. He was on

00:21:35.000 60 Minutes and 60 Minutes. And with him were the directors, the intelligence directors of four

00:21:42.280 agencies from New Zealand, Australia, the UK and Canada. The Five Eyes, as they're called and combined. 0.97

00:21:49.720 Why would he go to all that trouble to organize those people to appear on 60 Minutes to say that

00:21:57.320 China's our greatest intel threat since we've known that since the 90s? I'm just curious. 0.91

00:22:03.080 Yeah, I agree. I mean, China has moved up on the FBI's priority list. I mean,

00:22:09.960 the number one priority list on the priority list for the FBI, the number one mission is

00:22:14.840 to prevent the next terrorist attack on US soil. That is the preeminent goal, objective and mission.

00:22:22.440 But number two is the People's Republic of China and the theft of, you know, intellectual property, 0.55

00:22:28.840 whether it's state secrets, military secrets, industrial secrets, whatever it is. And it's

00:22:34.440 China, which is what makes me laugh when I hear this, you know, when you talk about, you know, 0.90

00:22:38.840 the climate accords and how, you know, the folks that want to consider China and India to be

00:22:45.320 developing nations when they're not developing nations anymore. And, you know, they're holding

00:22:50.280 them to a different standard. Especially China. I mean, China has, you know, China has the manpower.

00:22:56.840 They've got the largest military force in the world. And it's a communist regime.

00:23:02.840 And they would love nothing better, just like Russia and the Soviet Union before it wanted, 0.90

00:23:08.040 they would like nothing better than to see the collapse of Western democracy. So to think that

00:23:13.800 they're not working daily, every single day of the week to undermine us, to undermine our elections and

00:23:20.520 to undermine our successes and to undermine our democracy is folly. And yes, I was, when I saw that

00:23:27.480 with the five eyes, I mean, and, and for your listeners, the five eyes are five countries that,

00:23:32.440 that, that Lou, you just pointed out who they were, that share intelligence, all intelligence

00:23:37.640 across the spectrum. We share everything with each other to help prevent things from happening,

00:23:42.760 like the theft of secrets or, you know, terrorist attacks on other soil. So I guess it's a good thing 1.00

00:23:49.320 that we're, that we're working cohesively and collectively. But yeah, I don't know what it says

00:23:54.760 about us that, you know, we finally come to this resolution. Some people have been beating the

00:23:58.600 drum for a while that China is our greatest geopolitical threat right now. It's not Russia

00:24:03.960 anymore. Vladimir Putin is not the greatest geopolitical threat. It is China.

00:24:08.840 Jimmy James Cagliano, thanks for being with us as always. A great American. We appreciate you

00:24:14.680 taking the time. God bless you.

00:24:15.880 Lou, thanks so much. I always enjoy joining you.

00:24:18.440 Thanks everybody for being with us here today. Our guest tomorrow on The Great America Show,

00:24:22.760 Kerry Lake, running for the U.S. Senate from the great state of Arizona. Please join us for that

00:24:28.120 tomorrow. Join us each and every day. Follow me on Twitter and True Social at Lou Dobbs and on

00:24:33.960 Facebook and Instagram at Lou Dobbs tonight. Check out loudobbs.com. Thank you, everybody. God bless you,

00:24:40.920 and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - October 27, 2023

MOST AMERICANS DISTRUST FBI

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript