The Great America Show - NEUTERING THE CIA OR AMERICA？

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00:00:33.720 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:37.200 Great to have you with us.

00:00:38.920 Jury deliberations officially underway in New York.

00:00:42.560 Marxist-Stim Judge Merchant couldn't help himself from making a last-minute push to sway the jury.

00:00:49.160 Calling out individual jurors, telling them how great they've been and how much he appreciates them.

00:00:55.880 Merchant explained the laws in question to the 12 jurors.

00:00:59.280 And he reminded, helpfully, the jurors to set aside any personal biases, just like he has, of course, throughout the whole trial.

00:01:07.820 Pretty ironic coming from a man as Marxist and biased and conflicted as he is.

00:01:13.780 Merchant also noted the defense is not required to prove Trump's innocence.

00:01:18.980 The burden of proof is on the prosecution.

00:01:21.680 What a generous soul Merchant is.

00:01:24.520 My kind of judge, huh?

00:01:26.100 President Trump giving comment after the jury was dismissed, he says Mother Teresa couldn't beat these charges with a corrupt judge like Juan Merchant.

00:01:36.200 In listening to the charges from the judges, as you know, very conflicted and corrupt because of the confliction, very, very corrupt.

00:01:46.580 Mother Teresa could not beat these charges.

00:01:51.040 These charges are rigged.

00:01:52.720 The whole thing is rigged.

00:01:54.580 The whole country's a mess between the borders and fake elections.

00:01:58.580 And you have a trial like this, where the judge is so conflicted he can't breathe.

00:02:05.580 He's got to do his job.

00:02:07.700 And it's not for me that I can tell you.

00:02:10.180 It's a disgrace.

00:02:11.460 And I mean that Mother Teresa could not beat those charges.

00:02:14.200 But we'll see.

00:02:15.260 We'll see how we do.

00:02:16.500 But if anybody could, it would be Donald Trump.

00:02:20.120 And now we wait on the jury.

00:02:22.220 And, of course, it looks like it could take as long as Friday, perhaps longer, in the minds of most of the so-called experts on juries and verdicts.

00:02:32.600 Our guest today has been at the forefront of the effort to bring accountability to the CIA.

00:02:39.040 Our guest, John Gentry, and he is the author of the book Neutering the CIA, Why U.S. Intelligence vs. Trump Has Long-Term Consequences.

00:02:49.380 And now, in the midst of all that is happening right now, whether it is the Soviet-style persecutions and trial of President Trump,

00:02:59.580 whether it is the extraordinary destructive policies that the Biden administration is following,

00:03:06.620 whether it is against Israel, whether it is, in point of fact, aligned with the CCP,

00:03:12.660 there are conflicts aplenty right now for whomever wins on November 5th, and most likely that is President Donald Trump.

00:03:24.260 And with us now, John Gentry.

00:03:27.280 And, John, I just really want you to give us a sense from your perspective

00:03:32.500 as to what is happening with the intelligence agencies themselves in the midst of this chaos,

00:03:40.300 in the midst of all of that spreading conflict that hasn't yet, in many cases, turned to war outright,

00:03:48.040 but appears headed that direction.

00:03:50.560 Right.

00:03:50.740 Well, the intelligence community, and especially the CIA, changed dramatically during the Obama administration

00:04:01.500 for a number of ongoing cultural reasons and purposeful policies of President Obama and some of his people.

00:04:11.020 And these changes manifested themselves in the outburst of activism by former intelligence officers on the one hand

00:04:22.560 and current intelligence officers in the form of leaks starting in the summer of 2016.

00:04:29.360 They continued all the way through the Trump administration.

00:04:35.800 President Trump did not address this issue.

00:04:38.200 The people, the people who did this, particularly those in the intelligence community, got away with it.

00:04:47.360 There were no repercussions.

00:04:50.080 The Biden administration now has exacerbated, has pushed further some of the policies

00:04:57.500 that generated the organizational cultural changes that led to the outburst.

00:05:03.360 So you've had, in essence, a purposeful change in the organizational cultures of the intelligence community,

00:05:11.400 along with the rest of the federal government that are opposed to people who are not, frankly, concerned about really one topic.

00:05:24.620 That's a diversity, equity and inclusion issue.

00:05:27.300 And since President Trump has indicated that he wants to change this and drain the swamp, so to speak,

00:05:35.260 I expect that you'll see a reemergence of opposition to him later on this summer.

00:05:41.820 Yeah, if it's not already underway, right?

00:05:45.820 Well, to some degree it is underway, yes.

00:05:49.000 So Mike Hayden, former CIA director, retired Air Force General, he's pretty active in writing and on Twitter.

00:05:59.220 A couple of others are less so.

00:06:01.160 My guess is the leaks will take a little bit longer to develop, perhaps after the Republican Convention in July.

00:06:12.240 Hayden is also, as you know, very active with the Atlantic Council.

00:06:17.560 How big a reservation is this for former top officials of the CIA, top officials, government officials, but primarily CIA and the intelligence community?

00:06:33.280 It seems to be a reservation for them from which to deplane or disembark.

00:06:42.080 Well, there is certainly some of that.

00:06:45.340 We've had allies of the anti-Trump activists in the press, of course.

00:06:50.900 So the media gave these people contracts to talk online.

00:06:56.340 They gave them space on op-ed pages.

00:07:01.060 And they've provided space in think tanks.

00:07:07.420 And even the International Spy Museum, which you might have thought would be a commercial venture interested in the science, if you will, or the history of intelligence.

00:07:17.360 It's got seven, seven members of the laptop 51 letter, the letter that tried to debunk the Hunter Biden laptop contents in October of 2001.

00:07:29.880 And seven of the 51 are on advisory boards of the International Spy Museum.

00:07:36.340 So the senior, some of the senior people who were active are still heavily, heavily ensconced, so to speak, in reputable organizations throughout the American society.

00:07:52.100 You know, we haven't talked about this before, but I'm just curious, as we're talking about, we now know those 51 veterans were liars all.

00:08:02.480 We also know there was no repercussion, even for those among them who actually organized that letter to be a shield for Joe Biden in his second and last, it turned out, presidential debate in 2020.

00:08:17.980 Does that embolden the intelligence community to, again, be as bald and bald-faced and raw in their intrusion into domestic politics?

00:08:34.160 Well, I suspect it will to some degree.

00:08:37.880 I mean, people like Michael Morell and Mark Palomaropoulos, who were the orchestrators of this, have been significantly embarrassed.

00:08:47.940 Morell has been quite quiet.

00:08:50.260 Palomaropoulos has done just a little bit.

00:08:52.560 But yes, there were no repercussions.

00:08:54.980 Actually, I think this is an interesting case in a way in which you can have influence generated in ways that are not illegal but are part of broader information operations.

00:09:10.760 So if I might, starting in 2016, the press basically coddled intelligence officers and said these people know everything about everything,

00:09:20.500 and they're authorized and able to talk wisely about any part of domestic politics, including the strengths and limitations of Mr. Trump.

00:09:33.620 So the image of these people was built up.

00:09:37.900 And in October of 2020, when the Hunter laptop contents were identified, the FBI had already determined that this was a real computer.

00:09:49.820 It really was Hunter Biden's.

00:09:52.800 But the Biden administration, in the form of current Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, went to Morell and said, can you help us?

00:10:08.440 We know this from testimony to the Judiciary Committee last spring, in spring of 23.

00:10:15.460 And so at that point, they came up with a very weakly worded document that said, well, it sort of looks like it might be Russian information.

00:10:30.080 The letter itself is very vague, but Politico, which had been part of this cabal, if you will, of trying to boost the credentials of intelligence officers, put in its headline,

00:10:45.060 intelligence people say this is Russian disinformation.

00:10:49.960 So it actually was a misrepresentation of the letter itself, but that served the purpose.

00:10:57.780 So you had, in essence, intelligence officers and the anti-Trump press working together to generate an impression to voters that turned out to be helpful for Mr. Biden.

00:11:11.100 And that one of the people who received that solicitation told me personally that the solicitation that this person received specifically sought help for the Biden campaign.

00:11:26.020 It was not to generate expertise, not to recruit expertise on Russian disinformation technology.

00:11:33.860 Morell hasn't been coy about that at all, to my surprise.

00:11:38.100 Well, he was told he needed to testify about this under oath to judiciary.

00:11:47.260 And apparently he decided to come clean rather than have a felony rap.

00:11:52.900 Well, a felony rap, I don't think would be entirely misplaced for those 51, because I infer from what you're saying that you have the same suspicion I do.

00:12:05.380 And I'll just ask you, I believe every one of those 51 knew exactly how Politico would handle that headline,

00:12:11.660 knew exactly how the left wing media would proceed with that headline.

00:12:18.700 Are we in agreement on that?

00:12:20.620 I think in general, yes.

00:12:22.300 I mean, I certainly know specifically from one.

00:12:26.040 My guess is that the pitch was similar to the others.

00:12:32.900 And the whole purpose of these so-called open letters, which had mainly been published by Politico, the Hill did some as well.

00:12:41.360 But the whole point of these was to publicize the partisan political views of activist intelligence officers.

00:12:52.020 And this was just one more in a long string of these efforts.

00:12:56.920 Well, again, your book on neutering the CIA, it seems they get more robust rather than enfeebled.

00:13:08.280 We'll take that up when we continue with John Gentry, former CIA officer and great American.

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00:14:54.740 We're talking with John Gentry, author, former CIA officer and, as I said, great American.

00:15:00.780 It seems to me that something has occurred here in the intervening time period from Trump's leaving office and the ascension to this regime by Joe Biden,

00:15:17.320 whoever he works for, whoever he works for, whosoever his master or masters.

00:15:21.920 It's clear the deep state has solidified, if you would, its presence, its influence, and has at the same time done something I didn't think would happen for some time.

00:15:36.660 I was under that illusion.

00:15:38.520 And that is, they embraced this new cultural Marxism, some call it, I just call it outright Marxism, on the part of the Democratic Party.

00:15:49.320 You're thinking.

00:15:51.740 Well, I think they have.

00:15:54.820 There's been a dramatic change in the culture.

00:15:56.580 I look at this issue in my book and identify six things that changed, three important ones.

00:16:08.480 One is the emergence into the workforce of a large number of young people who are coming out of the kind of college environment that we're seeing in 2023, Hamas and all of that. 0.72

00:16:23.980 Marxism is rampant in major universities.

00:16:28.300 These young people provided fodder for Senator and then President Obama, who made it crystal clear that he wanted to transform, to use his term, transform the federal workforce as part of a step to transform the country.

00:16:44.580 And the key element of this broader policy was the diversity, equity, and inclusion policy.

00:16:54.180 And what this did was change the composition of the workforce, change the political views of the workforce, and change the organizational cultures of the workforce.

00:17:05.960 Obama had some very strong and effective, from their perspective, helpers, primarily CIA Director John Brennan and Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper.

00:17:22.160 Brennan particularly was effective in altering the CIA.

00:17:26.960 He makes it clear in his book and in interviews with Wall Street Journal and other workers who worked for him at the time have said, yes, he in fact tried to change the culture, and he encouraged us to be politically active.

00:17:48.300 So he was effective in doing that, and when you add that then to the kinds of policy changes that occurred, diversity offices that have been created, you in essence now have a different kind of deep state.

00:18:03.960 So in the political science literature, you think of Turkey and Pakistan and so on, but in the United States now, we've got a situation in which you had an ideologically motivated group of people who have created a moderate structure centered around the diversity offices,

00:18:26.340 who are daily increasing and strengthening the ideological orientation of the workforce toward the DEI agenda.

00:18:40.440 And as you say, this comes pretty directly from critical race theory, from critical theory generally, which goes back to the Marxists of the Frankfurt School in the 1930s.

00:18:54.820 So this is a long-standing effort, and it's fundamentally altering the country.

00:19:04.420 I think the people ought to know.

00:19:05.980 In advance of our discussion here today, I took a look at the CIA website, one of them.

00:19:11.540 And right there in front of God and everybody is DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, and all the rat trap lingo around it at the CIA, right on the front page with the utter assurance that you won't have to be meritorious.

00:19:33.320 You will not have to worry if you have the correct skin color and the perfect political outlook, then you just might be serving in the CIA.

00:19:45.300 I mean, it's a terrible thing when I think about it.

00:19:49.140 The Pentagon, the CIA, it is rampant across the Biden regime.

00:19:54.820 They've insinuated this toxin into the lifeblood of this federal government, and to the point that it is, frankly, it's useless and it's dangerous at the same time.

00:20:10.800 Yeah.

00:20:11.040 Well, I would not use the word useless.

00:20:13.820 I would say it's actively dangerous.

00:20:15.640 They're using this to create, to purposefully change the way the government works, and this is headed toward a revolution.

00:20:26.600 I mean, that's what the Marxists are trying to do.

00:20:31.220 John, when I said useless, it's useless for the American taxpayer, the American citizen,

00:20:37.120 and all who are not a part of the approved identity groups that represent the push and the leadership of DEI and that fundamental transformation Obama talked about.

00:20:52.800 You know, I understand what you mean, but again, we're not in disagreement, but I would go further and say that this has an actively negative purpose.

00:21:05.800 And I think, importantly, as much as President Obama and his appointees, again, Brennan and Clapper in particular,

00:21:16.020 as much as they did, the effort has been pushed much harder since January of 2021.

00:21:25.540 And what we see now is a much stronger DEIA now.

00:21:33.680 So President Biden has added an A for accessibility.

00:21:38.940 So you've got a much stronger culture embedded now than we used to have.

00:21:46.900 And this is now, I think, obvious to a lot of people, including some people who were advising President Trump.

00:21:54.760 And that leads to the question, will a President Trump in a second term, if it comes to that, will he address this issue beginning in 2025?

00:22:06.220 Open question, because he did virtually nothing in his first term on this.

00:22:14.640 And my guess is that there will be some effort to address this.

00:22:18.740 There has to be, as you know, what you lay out in your book, Neutering the CIA, is precisely what is the challenge before President Trump and in the new administration.

00:22:31.960 That's what we're going to take up.

00:22:33.560 We're talking with John Gentry, author of The Neutering of the CIA.

00:22:36.940 We'll be right back.

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00:23:08.180 We're back.

00:23:14.920 We're talking with John Gentry, author of The Neutering of the CIA, a former CIA officer himself, and as I said at the outset, a great American.

00:23:23.960 Let me ask you this.

00:23:25.920 With your experience, your knowledge, your insight, do you believe that CIA's fingerprints are all over our elections in this country?

00:23:36.360 Because they certainly are over elections in many of the countries around the world.

00:23:42.680 I actually do not.

00:23:45.280 This has been one of the concerns.

00:23:46.880 I think that the leadership of CIA and other organizations do not have staff meetings in which they call in their senior subordinates and say, let's figure out how we're going to launch policies to alter the country here now.

00:24:08.740 I think they are culpable, though, in at least two significant ways.

00:24:15.680 One is that they purposely created the organizational culture that generated the reaction against Trump that I talked about.

00:24:31.200 And secondly, they've done nothing to to address it.

00:24:35.140 And I think that the there's some evidence that the senior intelligence people are working to help prevent a an effort by a Trump administration to change things.

00:24:52.940 So so so they're they're culpable in significant ways without directly doing the kinds of things that you're talking about.

00:24:59.920 Well, I had to ask that.

00:25:02.100 And I also as I was looking at this again, another CIA website, I was there were talked about the story of the CIA, which I thought was one of the most buffed and varnished accounts of the history of the CIA.

00:25:18.280 I could imagine, because it didn't start, for example, working with the French in Vietnam in 1954 and 53 and 54 under Eisenhower.

00:25:29.960 It didn't start with John F. Kennedy or ordering up more special forces and help for the South Vietnamese.

00:25:40.060 It didn't look to the assassination of the Jim brothers who were running South Vietnam 20 days before the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

00:25:51.920 I mean, it's it's it's an interesting travail as well as a journey to to watch, because the CIA has been engaged in the in the most important, I consider most important issues of our time.

00:26:13.780 And I'm talking about from 45 on your thinking.

00:26:17.600 Well, they have been very, very involved.

00:26:21.820 And, of course, of course, CIA started in 1947, put together pieces of the old Office of Strategic Services from World War Two.

00:26:33.120 But it was a new organization in those in those in those in the 40s, got a little bit ahead of itself in terms of covert action in the in the in the in the coups of against Iran and Guatemala and 53, 54.

00:26:52.180 They have pigs debacle was both an error by CIA, a big, big set of errors and an error by error by by President Kennedy.

00:27:03.120 But the kinds of covert actions use the use the intelligence, U.S. intelligence term, other countries use different terms that that you're talking about diminished to a large degree in the mid 1970s.

00:27:17.140 So the the the Congress put a kibosh on political activities and election tampering and and so on.

00:27:24.740 And as best I can tell, relatively little of that has has has gone on.

00:27:30.680 There's been paramilitary ones, of course, Afghanistan in the 1980s.

00:27:35.140 Sure. And and so on.

00:27:38.040 But an important point, I think, is that for many, many, many years in both operations and in the analysis side where I was, there was a strong effort to be honest, to be objective, to be non biased in any way, including a political way.

00:27:58.180 And there were institutional measures in terms of review and so on that were designed to counter biases of various sorts.

00:28:06.780 But those began to break down, I think, in the 1990s.

00:28:11.500 And then you had in the early 2000s with the influx of people after 2001, the kinds of kind of change in in workforce orientation that I that I talked about earlier.

00:28:25.280 So the agency was, I think, well intended for a long, long time through the through the end of the 1980s at minimum.

00:28:36.460 But it's a very different organization now than it used to be.

00:28:39.640 Yeah, very different.

00:28:41.860 And as we talk about and we're going to have to talk about the history of the CIA.

00:28:45.900 I think it'd be fascinating for the audience because and I'm talking about the real history.

00:28:52.400 For example, when you look at the the the Pentagon Papers, which is often often overlooked by even journalists who are committed to the public's right to know they haven't even read them.

00:29:04.620 They are not even aware of who produced them or the two news organizations that released them, despite the intimidating threat of the of the intelligence communities.

00:29:18.020 And indeed, the the Nixon administration itself from that from that point forward.

00:29:24.580 And there is a little matter of electing a former director of the CIA, George H.W. Bush.

00:29:31.660 I mean, it's a remarkable period of history that had a lot, a lot of implications for what was to follow.

00:29:39.240 Well, John Gentry, it's always interesting to talk with you and always educational.

00:29:45.020 And I I have a hoot.

00:29:46.720 So will you come back soon?

00:29:48.740 I was happy to do so.

00:29:50.220 Thank you.

00:29:50.960 Thank you, John Gentry.

00:29:52.240 He is the author of The Neutering of the CIA.

00:29:54.820 And we're going to the next time we talk, we're going to go about the business of neutering the CIA.

00:30:02.400 CIA, be afraid of us.

00:30:04.600 Here we come.

00:30:06.060 We'll be we'll be taking up that discussion next when we talk with John Gentry.

00:30:10.580 Great American.

00:30:11.460 Thank you, John.

00:30:13.080 Thank you.

00:30:13.740 Thanks, everybody, for being here today.

00:30:15.680 Thanks to John Gentry.

00:30:16.840 And be sure to join us tomorrow when our guest will be cyber expert Harry Howery.

00:30:21.640 Harry says election machine error rates violate federal law.

00:30:26.060 He says Bill Barr is responsible for killing a massive fraudulent ballot investigation.

00:30:32.560 And be sure to join us tonight for Lou Dimes tonight, 7 p.m.

00:30:36.100 Eastern, 6 central on Frank Speech, Rumble, X and Roku.

00:30:41.480 Thank you, everybody.

00:30:42.520 And God bless you.

00:30:44.180 And may God bless America.

The Great America Show - May 30, 2024

NEUTERING THE CIA OR AMERICA？

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