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Inflation has surged to levels unseen in 40 years and is threatening to wipe away our savings. Congressman Adam Kinzinger claims he was the victim of a "sucker-punch" by Rep. Tim Burchett.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being
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with us. Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson avoided shutting down the government when Congress
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passed a continuing resolution that funds the government until mid-January. The bill passed
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with overwhelming support from the Democrats. Only two Dems voted against the CR. The House
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is certainly divided, but so is the Republican Party. 93 of the 221 Republicans voted against
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that CR, making it a Democrat bill. The fact that Johnson had to go over to the Marxist Dems to pass
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his first major piece of legislation has conservative members fuming. Yesterday, we brought you some of
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the tensions boiling up and over on Capitol Hill. For instance, Kevin McCarthy elbowing Congressman
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Tim Burchett in the back while he was doing an interview. We now have McCarthy's reaction. And guess
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what? As you might expect, McCarthy decided to lie and to deny. Now, a reporter, though, says this isn't
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the first time. McCarthy has thrown a sucker punch at a congressman. A reporter was interviewing
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Virtue or something. I guess our shoulder's here because Virtue runs up to me after. I didn't know
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what he was talking about. Some reporters asked me. I did not run and hit the guy. I did not kidney
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punch him. I did not shoot anything like that. You didn't shot him? No. We're walking through. You were at
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HC5, right? You guys line up along the way there. It was Bruce Wester and I walking out. He must have been
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interviewing someone. I didn't know it was him or something. I guess I almost hit as I walked by.
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I didn't punch anybody. Did he not beat him? No. Yeah. Well, I guess it happened because when I was
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walking back further, I don't say somebody was interviewing me or talking to me and he comes
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running up like, why did you hit me or something like that? I said, I don't know what you're talking
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about. I didn't even know something transpired. But reporters and witnesses said it looked like
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there's plenty of room for you to walk and that you intentionally hit it. There is. Okay. Not a place.
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Show me a reporter who saw that. Ask, call Bruce Westerman. Okay. Well, ask Bruce Westerman. No,
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I did not go up. If I hit, if I would hit somebody, they would know I did. He said he knew him. He said
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he was in pain that you hit him so hard. Come on now. That's what he said. Okay. That's far from
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saying. Congressman Kinzinger wrote that you pushed him twice while he was in Congress in the chamber.
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When have I pushed him? Kinzinger said he was in the back railing once and you elbowed him and
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pushed him. He said Gates. Kinzinger. Oh, no, I don't know. I don't know about Kinzinger either.
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It turns out the Secret Service has also been lying, lying to us, lying about the Biden crime family.
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Newly FOID documents revealed DNA was found and preserved in the White House cocaine investigation.
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Contrary to previous claims by the Secret Service made when they closed the investigation just days
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after they found the cocaine. And they say they had no suspects. The Secret Service lied and it's
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certainly not the first time they've lied protecting the Biden crime family and themselves. I want to
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bring in our guest today. Back in 2021, he was the first member of Congress to introduce articles of
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impeachment against Alejandro Mayorkas. He's Congressman Andy Biggs from the great state of
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Arizona. And Congressman, thanks for taking the time to join us here today on The Great America Show.
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Eight rhinos voting against and 11 more Republicans not voting on the Mayorkas impeachment. Your reaction
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to it all? It was not a particularly big surprise, but I thought it'd be closer. I knew that there
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were I knew that because I've been working my own my own motions to impeach Mayorkas for over a year
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now. I knew that we had some that I just could never get. But there were only about two or three that
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had kind of told me that they were digging in would never vote. So I thought, well, we got a chance.
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But there were some people on there that I did not expect to vote to to actually
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lay put this actually they voted to put it into a committee. And that was a way of basically sending
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this thing off to oblivion. And so oblivion is where it is. Is it irretrievable?
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No, it's not irretrievable. I mean, the problem, of course, is I've had multiple versions of this
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that have not gone anywhere. Now Marjorie's has not gone anywhere. There are other versions out there
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that are in limbo land. It's going to be really hard to bring this back up at this point.
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So reviewing the reality, the border is wide open. 10 million illegal immigrants at a minimum
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have come into the country since Joe Biden took the oath of office. And 100,000 Americans are dying
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every day of fentanyl, the source of which is China and Mexico. And this is not impeachable.
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This has to leave the American people. I would hope it leaves them wondering what does it take
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to be held accountable to be impeached if you will not defend and and honor your oath of office?
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Yes. So when we start talking about 300 people a day dying because of fentanyl overdose, you know,
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100,000 a year, and then we start talking about the the crimes that have been committed,
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we start talking about the number of people. So we've we've we've caught more than 250 individuals
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on the foreign terrorist watch list. But then at the same time, we know that there's a well over 2 million
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people that have come in that we don't know where they're from. We don't know where they're going.
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We know that some of them have incredibly malevolent intentions. It just boggles the mind. But beyond
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that, Lou, some of these people said with Andy, there's no high crime and misdemeanor. Somebody else
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told me, well, this is Biden's problem, not Mayorka's problem. And I said, well, then then you're
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willing to impeach Biden over this. And oh, no, no, because there's no high crime misdemeanor. I said,
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how about how about perjury to Congress? How about lying to Congress under oath? That would be
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perjury. How about this one? How about saying we ask him, do you have operational control of the
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border? He says, yes. You show him the language, which is a clear statute, Lou, under the Safe Fence
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Act of 2006. This is how it's defined. He says, oh, oh, but nobody can do that. So we don't use that
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as our definition of operational control. We've made up our own. So he's basically ignoring the law.
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He won't let us deport people. There's a million and a half people with with deportation or removal
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orders in place. They've had their due process. They've had their day in court. He's preventing ICE
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from deporting them. He's required under the law to detain people until amnesty seekers. So not as
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amnesty, but asylum seekers. He's required to detain them until their immigration status has been
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adjudicated. He's not. He is releasing them into the country. We know that they're funneling money into
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the NGOs that are actually encouraging this this invasion to take place. And I view all those as
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certainly misdemeanors, but I think they're also high crimes. And so somebody I had actually had
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somebody tell me said, but Andy, what's the felony and what are the elements of the felony? And I said,
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you're not required under the Constitution to have an actual criminal felony. That's that's made
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been made clear by the Supreme Court, but it's also been made clear by the minutes of the Constitutional
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Convention and the Federalist papers themselves. So I think we're on good, solid ground going forward.
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That is a shame. That is it's more than a crying shame. This is a this is a party now riven with
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division. And it and what is troubling to me is that the actors who are blocking, performing as
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obstacles against the conferences will, they seem to shift. I don't know how large the number is of
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Republicans in name only, whatever you would want to call them, flying a false flag as a Republican,
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as in some cases conservatives, even when they are nothing of the sort. How large a group do you think
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really it is who would oppose the impeachment of Mayorkas, who would oppose the impeachment of
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President Trump? And how in the world is a Republican Party and conference overcome this?
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Okay, you've asked me three questions. So let me let me tell you, with Mayorkas,
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I view that as the lowest hanging fruit. That's the easiest person to impeach. And you just saw that
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we had eight people vote against it. When you go to Biden, the number increases that would vote against
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impeaching President Biden. So at the same time, you know, I actually, I keep trying to work with these
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people to sell them. And so the third thing is, I think you want to know how we overcome that. I'm not
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sure I know how to overcome it. I mean, I've tried to jawbone it. I've been I've tried to convince people
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I've, I've written op ads, I've talked to people one on one, I've gone to the floor and made the tried
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to make the case during debate. And it's, it's really, some of these people, they're locked into
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this position, I view it as kind of an economic theory called path dependence, they've locked in,
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they've built some, some walls around it. So they're not willing to move into exit would, you know,
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and move to the correct path would be too hard, I guess, for some. But I mean, I knew the bottom line
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is, I just think I can't stop. I can't give up. I mean, look, believe me, there was a, I just walked
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back from the floor where we're, we have this terrible CR deal going on with the, with the,
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with the new speaker. I, and I've been talking to him, and I told him what I thought, again,
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and I just came away, and I'm like, you know, I, it's, it would be too easy to get down and depressed
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that we are not seeing progress in so many areas. But you got to keep fighting. That's the bottom line.
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Well, we know you're a fighter, and you will not be in any way, deterred in your efforts. And that's
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one of the reasons we consider you a great American, as well as a great, a great congressman for the,
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for the state of Arizona, we're talking with Andy Biggs, Congressman from Arizona. And we're going to
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test out a new, a new conspiracy theory is the left would like to call it, we're going to test out
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what else is required to get what is required to save this republic. We'll be talking about that CR
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that the Congressman Biggs just mentioned and more stay with us. We'll be right back.
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We're back with Congressman Andy Biggs. And Congressman, again, always great to talk with
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you. Thanks for being here. We're talking about the votes on the, on the floor for impeaching.
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Mayorkas. There's a certain symmetry that has given rise in certain quarters. And I'm, I'm one of
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those people in that corner, that the the number eight has shown up again, the eight who were blocking
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and tackling and the removal of Kevin McCarthy, and now the eight who are blocking the entire
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conference and its will. You don't suppose the fellow who apparently threw an elbow into Congressman
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Tim Burchett's back is the same fellow who is a pain in the back for the rest of the conference.
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Well, I do think that Mr. McCarthy is still troubled by his removal as the Speaker of the House of
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Representatives. And I do believe that he, if he could, would try to position himself to return
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to the speakership. I think that's, that's part and parcel to what he would like to do. Now does,
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do I think, I think he would get fewer votes today, even than he got last January. And then, then
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I just, I think it'd be harder for him to get back. But I think that that's his desire. It's his life's
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desire. It was just, it was his life's dream to be there. And, you know, I have some, some sympathy
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for him because he didn't think that we were going to actually be able to get that done. We did. And
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he's, but I don't, I don't think he's going to go quietly away into the night, Lou. I mean, I'm already
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hearing that he's, he might be behind some of the efforts to try to take me out of my district through
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the next election cycle. And some of the others of the eight of us. Well, you know, I'll just say
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the hell with McCarthy, you can beat him hands down. And I know that you will, you have too many
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admirers and too many people who respect you greatly to ever let something happen because of a two bit
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political thug, trying to throw his weight around in a congressional district. I don't think that will
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happen. And personally, I'll just tell you, I'm available to do whatever I can to support you.
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I'll bring, you know, my wife and I'll bring our dogs, you know, out to Arizona for a, for a,
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for a campaign. Congressman, I just, this is, this is ignorance writ large. And it's being written by
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by the purported alleged leadership of the Republican Party. Kevin McCarthy has enough
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stooges that will back him that he could block the impeachment of Mayorkas. He's now operating as
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a double agent, if you will, less a double agent now than an absolutely obvious saboteur of the
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Republican Party for the Biden administration, Biden regime and the Marxist stamps. When do you
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get the message to him that you're just soon to get the, get out of Dodge?
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Well, let's, let's consider a couple of things. First of all, when John Boehner realized that he
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was going to be removed from office, you recall that he, he did a kind of a graceful thing or gracious
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thing. He said, I'm just going to resign from the office and Congress itself. So I don't put the
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institution through that. And that was not Mr. McCarthy's way. The other thing is Mr. McCarthy
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has raised oodles of money, literally millions of dollars. And one thing he said the day that he was
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removed from office and he came and he spoke to the conference, he said to us,
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he says, as he's getting ready to walk off the stage, he said, I have a lot of money
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and I'm no longer constrained by the rules against the speaker from you from using it.
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And I'm going to go be able to use it any way I want to going forward.
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Well, are you telling me the speaker is talking about the money he raised for the conference
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That's what he indicated. I don't, I don't know that that's true. The, my, what historically has
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always happened is that money went to the new speaker. And, and, and, but that's what Mr.
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McCarthy insinuated on that particular day. And so he's dealing with not only a thug, but a crook.
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And he is, I mean, he's operating like a, as Kash Patel would say, you know, a government gangster.
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Yeah, well, he's, he's, he's very, and I, I, I can't tell you how mad I think he must be,
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but I, but he certainly is miffed and hurt. And so he's, but I mean, at some point,
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you've got to recognize that either you need to move on personally, or you need to move completely
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off the stage because your time was here. You had your time and now it's time for somebody else.
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I, I am trying very hard to get the new speaker to do the right thing on some of this stuff.
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And, and to make sure he, he understands not to do stuff the way Mr. McCarthy did stuff.
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You only get one or two chances in life to actually make a first impression, an impression that will
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be lasting and, and people will see. And so it's really unfortunate that the, the main impression
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people are going to have is that we're going to do a short term continuation of Pelosi, Schumer,
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Biden spending levels with their policies. We're going to take that up right after this quick break.
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We were talking with Congressman Andy Biggs. We're talking about what is right now,
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a Republican party that is, has new leadership, but the old leadership is as subversive as I could
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imagine. Let's find out more. We'll be talking with Congressman Andy Biggs on the other side of this.
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We're back with Congressman Andy Biggs. Speaker, Speaker Johnson's CR idea, a staggered or laddered
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CR. It does not seem to me to be particularly inventive. As a matter of fact, it strikes me as
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perhaps too cute by half. There is a problem. It seems it needs to be addressed. And that I hope that
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I'm wrong about this, but Speaker Johnson is taking small steps when strides are required.
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Yeah. I tell people all the time, we're in such an existential crisis in this country.
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It's no more, you can't trim around the edges anymore. You have to go to the heart of the matter
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every time, if we're going to turn this around. So the, the, the stair step phased in, laddered,
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whatever you want to call this, I understand what they're trying to do. And I'm okay with it. But as I
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told them, I said, I get it. You're trying to force us out of the normal pattern to break the status
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quo. And that's great. But if you don't include with that some policies and you leave it clean,
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it's still the same thing as a clean CR done one time, as opposed to a clean CR done another time.
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That is to say, when I say clean, I mean, no reduction in spending, no elimination of policies.
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And my position to the speaker has been always a small gesture would provide you with a great deal,
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an abundance of goodwill. And that a gesture like that might be, since the Senate's not going to take
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up the Israel aid bill. And if you think that's important, do the Israel aid bill with the same
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reduction, the IRS money, stick that in your CR. How about going back to the $16 billion that,
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that the McCarthy CR gave to disaster relief? Take that from the IRS money. How about capping the IRA
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Green New Deal subsidies and tax credits, which were originally going to be $350 billion, which is
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outrageous, but are now projected to be over $2 trillion because there's no cap on them. How about
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finding just some stuff like that, that we in the House could get 217, 218 votes on,
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lay that on the Senate and then leave town and let the Senate decide if they're going to shut down
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or if they're going to give us something meaningful. I mean, those are the type of small gestures I'm
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Lou, they don't seem small to me at all, Congressman. They seem to me to be as pertinent,
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as important as you're saying. How will the Republicans move on the Johnson idea, his approach?
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I believe we're going to vote on it sometime after you and I finished this interview
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today. And what's going to happen, I believe, is that you're going to see a significant number
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of Democrats come over and you'll have Republicans voting no, like myself and like Chip and Scott
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Perry and Matt Rosendale, Bob Gooden and others. You're going to have Democrats that are going to come
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in and vote and carry this across the finish line. I mean, McConnell's already said he's
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supportive of this. Chuck Schumer said he's supportive of this. I haven't heard from Hakeem Jeffries,
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but we've had a number of Democrats say they're going to vote for it. So I think it's going to pass
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and I think it's going to pass with Democratic votes. His first big test, his first big initiative,
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and he's going to have to have Democrat votes to move it forward.
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It is. You know, I don't know what to say. I mean, I really don't know what to say that
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the matter is so straightforward. We have a puppet president in the White House who is impaired.
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He's corrupt. He's compromised. He is a danger to the Republic. He's about to meet with the leader
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of the most powerful nation on Earth after the United States, who has been threatening the United
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States militarily geopolitically, saying he's going to pull off a Ukraine basically with Taiwan.
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And he's sitting down and that ought to be some conversation, don't you think?
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And now we have a speaker who wants half measures. Perhaps, you know, perhaps you and I were wrong
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about something. Maybe McCarthy will look good when this is all done. Because this is just, I have to
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say to you, I understand why you're perhaps concerned more than concerned. I think it's just unspeakable
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that he would do this. Yeah. I mean, unpacking what you just said, let's just cover it real quick.
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Biden is wounded. He is incapable of leading. He's also, besides China, he's talking about giving
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billions more to Iran, who is funneling it through to these terrorist organizations.
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Why in the world would you facilitate an ongoing of that, the bill, the spending levels that we had
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last year, put in by Schumer, Pelosi and Biden, that gave us a $2.25 trillion structural deficit,
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Lou. And you're going to keep those and the horrible policies where there's the woke policies,
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the ESG, the DEI policies that are in place, whether you're going to keep these uncapped IRA,
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Green New Deal subsidies and tax credits in place, whether you're going to keep the border open
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because of failure to leverage that. I mean, I look at it and I say, we are in an existential crisis.
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And it seems to me we might have, we might have been able to get something done that was meaningful
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so that the American people could say, yes, somebody is taking charge again and trying to restore
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this great country to its place. But when instead we continue down a path of erosion,
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except for erosion denotes a slow moving disintegration. And ours is not a slow moving
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disintegration anymore, Lou. Ours is an accelerating disintegration of this once great nation.
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Andy Biggs, we appreciate it, Congressman, for you being with us and for all your tireless efforts
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Thanks to Congressman Biggs. Thanks, everybody, for being with us. And here tomorrow on The Great
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