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00:01:18.340 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being

00:01:22.760 with us. Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson avoided shutting down the government when Congress

00:01:27.980 passed a continuing resolution that funds the government until mid-January. The bill passed

00:01:34.360 with overwhelming support from the Democrats. Only two Dems voted against the CR. The House

00:01:42.320 is certainly divided, but so is the Republican Party. 93 of the 221 Republicans voted against

00:01:51.000 that CR, making it a Democrat bill. The fact that Johnson had to go over to the Marxist Dems to pass 0.61

00:01:59.240 his first major piece of legislation has conservative members fuming. Yesterday, we brought you some of

00:02:06.600 the tensions boiling up and over on Capitol Hill. For instance, Kevin McCarthy elbowing Congressman

00:02:12.920 Tim Burchett in the back while he was doing an interview. We now have McCarthy's reaction. And guess

00:02:19.200 what? As you might expect, McCarthy decided to lie and to deny. Now, a reporter, though, says this isn't

00:02:26.520 the first time. McCarthy has thrown a sucker punch at a congressman. A reporter was interviewing

00:02:33.620 Virtue or something. I guess our shoulder's here because Virtue runs up to me after. I didn't know

00:02:37.160 what he was talking about. Some reporters asked me. I did not run and hit the guy. I did not kidney

00:02:41.500 punch him. I did not shoot anything like that. You didn't shot him? No. We're walking through. You were at

00:02:46.980 HC5, right? You guys line up along the way there. It was Bruce Wester and I walking out. He must have been

00:02:53.120 interviewing someone. I didn't know it was him or something. I guess I almost hit as I walked by.

00:02:57.120 I didn't punch anybody. Did he not beat him? No. Yeah. Well, I guess it happened because when I was

00:03:01.700 walking back further, I don't say somebody was interviewing me or talking to me and he comes

00:03:05.960 running up like, why did you hit me or something like that? I said, I don't know what you're talking

00:03:10.680 about. I didn't even know something transpired. But reporters and witnesses said it looked like

00:03:14.460 there's plenty of room for you to walk and that you intentionally hit it. There is. Okay. Not a place.

00:03:19.620 Show me a reporter who saw that. Ask, call Bruce Westerman. Okay. Well, ask Bruce Westerman. No,

00:03:24.900 I did not go up. If I hit, if I would hit somebody, they would know I did. He said he knew him. He said

00:03:30.180 he was in pain that you hit him so hard. Come on now. That's what he said. Okay. That's far from

00:03:36.900 saying. Congressman Kinzinger wrote that you pushed him twice while he was in Congress in the chamber.

00:03:43.800 When have I pushed him? Kinzinger said he was in the back railing once and you elbowed him and

00:03:48.360 pushed him. He said Gates. Kinzinger. Oh, no, I don't know. I don't know about Kinzinger either.

00:03:52.540 It turns out the Secret Service has also been lying, lying to us, lying about the Biden crime family.

00:04:00.580 Newly FOID documents revealed DNA was found and preserved in the White House cocaine investigation.

00:04:08.740 Contrary to previous claims by the Secret Service made when they closed the investigation just days

00:04:15.940 after they found the cocaine. And they say they had no suspects. The Secret Service lied and it's

00:04:22.520 certainly not the first time they've lied protecting the Biden crime family and themselves. I want to

00:04:29.040 bring in our guest today. Back in 2021, he was the first member of Congress to introduce articles of

00:04:34.800 impeachment against Alejandro Mayorkas. He's Congressman Andy Biggs from the great state of

00:04:39.780 Arizona. And Congressman, thanks for taking the time to join us here today on The Great America Show.

00:04:44.380 Eight rhinos voting against and 11 more Republicans not voting on the Mayorkas impeachment. Your reaction

00:04:52.540 to it all? It was not a particularly big surprise, but I thought it'd be closer. I knew that there

00:05:00.060 were I knew that because I've been working my own my own motions to impeach Mayorkas for over a year 1.00

00:05:06.740 now. I knew that we had some that I just could never get. But there were only about two or three that

00:05:12.600 had kind of told me that they were digging in would never vote. So I thought, well, we got a chance.

00:05:18.280 But there were some people on there that I did not expect to vote to to actually

00:05:24.360 lay put this actually they voted to put it into a committee. And that was a way of basically sending

00:05:32.360 this thing off to oblivion. And so oblivion is where it is. Is it irretrievable?

00:05:40.120 No, it's not irretrievable. I mean, the problem, of course, is I've had multiple versions of this

00:05:49.280 that have not gone anywhere. Now Marjorie's has not gone anywhere. There are other versions out there

00:05:54.640 that are in limbo land. It's going to be really hard to bring this back up at this point.

00:06:02.080 So reviewing the reality, the border is wide open. 10 million illegal immigrants at a minimum

00:06:10.560 have come into the country since Joe Biden took the oath of office. And 100,000 Americans are dying

00:06:19.520 every day of fentanyl, the source of which is China and Mexico. And this is not impeachable.

00:06:28.480 This has to leave the American people. I would hope it leaves them wondering what does it take

00:06:35.440 to be held accountable to be impeached if you will not defend and and honor your oath of office?

00:06:42.640 Yes. So when we start talking about 300 people a day dying because of fentanyl overdose, you know,

00:06:49.840 100,000 a year, and then we start talking about the the crimes that have been committed,

00:06:56.400 we start talking about the number of people. So we've we've we've caught more than 250 individuals

00:07:03.040 on the foreign terrorist watch list. But then at the same time, we know that there's a well over 2 million

00:07:08.160 people that have come in that we don't know where they're from. We don't know where they're going.

00:07:11.680 We know that some of them have incredibly malevolent intentions. It just boggles the mind. But beyond

00:07:19.360 that, Lou, some of these people said with Andy, there's no high crime and misdemeanor. Somebody else

00:07:25.920 told me, well, this is Biden's problem, not Mayorka's problem. And I said, well, then then you're

00:07:30.800 willing to impeach Biden over this. And oh, no, no, because there's no high crime misdemeanor. I said,

00:07:36.880 how about how about perjury to Congress? How about lying to Congress under oath? That would be

00:07:43.120 perjury. How about this one? How about saying we ask him, do you have operational control of the

00:07:49.760 border? He says, yes. You show him the language, which is a clear statute, Lou, under the Safe Fence

00:07:56.560 Act of 2006. This is how it's defined. He says, oh, oh, but nobody can do that. So we don't use that

00:08:02.240 as our definition of operational control. We've made up our own. So he's basically ignoring the law.

00:08:10.800 He won't let us deport people. There's a million and a half people with with deportation or removal

00:08:17.200 orders in place. They've had their due process. They've had their day in court. He's preventing ICE

00:08:22.400 from deporting them. He's required under the law to detain people until amnesty seekers. So not as

00:08:29.440 amnesty, but asylum seekers. He's required to detain them until their immigration status has been 1.00

00:08:36.080 adjudicated. He's not. He is releasing them into the country. We know that they're funneling money into

00:08:41.360 the NGOs that are actually encouraging this this invasion to take place. And I view all those as

00:08:50.800 certainly misdemeanors, but I think they're also high crimes. And so somebody I had actually had

00:08:57.280 somebody tell me said, but Andy, what's the felony and what are the elements of the felony? And I said,

00:09:02.240 you're not required under the Constitution to have an actual criminal felony. That's that's made

00:09:07.760 been made clear by the Supreme Court, but it's also been made clear by the minutes of the Constitutional

00:09:11.920 Convention and the Federalist papers themselves. So I think we're on good, solid ground going forward.

00:09:18.240 We just don't have the votes to go forward.

00:09:21.120 That is a shame. That is it's more than a crying shame. This is a this is a party now riven with

00:09:30.160 division. And it and what is troubling to me is that the actors who are blocking, performing as

00:09:37.840 obstacles against the conferences will, they seem to shift. I don't know how large the number is of

00:09:46.240 Republicans in name only, whatever you would want to call them, flying a false flag as a Republican,

00:09:52.960 as in some cases conservatives, even when they are nothing of the sort. How large a group do you think

00:09:59.360 really it is who would oppose the impeachment of Mayorkas, who would oppose the impeachment of

00:10:06.480 President Trump? And how in the world is a Republican Party and conference overcome this?

00:10:15.520 Okay, you've asked me three questions. So let me let me tell you, with Mayorkas,

00:10:20.160 I view that as the lowest hanging fruit. That's the easiest person to impeach. And you just saw that

00:10:24.560 we had eight people vote against it. When you go to Biden, the number increases that would vote against

00:10:32.160 impeaching President Biden. So at the same time, you know, I actually, I keep trying to work with these

00:10:40.240 people to sell them. And so the third thing is, I think you want to know how we overcome that. I'm not

00:10:46.240 sure I know how to overcome it. I mean, I've tried to jawbone it. I've been I've tried to convince people

00:10:52.560 I've, I've written op ads, I've talked to people one on one, I've gone to the floor and made the tried

00:10:59.760 to make the case during debate. And it's, it's really, some of these people, they're locked into

00:11:09.440 this position, I view it as kind of an economic theory called path dependence, they've locked in,

00:11:15.040 they've built some, some walls around it. So they're not willing to move into exit would, you know,

00:11:21.200 and move to the correct path would be too hard, I guess, for some. But I mean, I knew the bottom line

00:11:28.160 is, I just think I can't stop. I can't give up. I mean, look, believe me, there was a, I just walked

00:11:34.720 back from the floor where we're, we have this terrible CR deal going on with the, with the,

00:11:39.840 with the new speaker. I, and I've been talking to him, and I told him what I thought, again,

00:11:46.240 and I just came away, and I'm like, you know, I, it's, it would be too easy to get down and depressed

00:11:53.440 that we are not seeing progress in so many areas. But you got to keep fighting. That's the bottom line.

00:12:00.000 Well, we know you're a fighter, and you will not be in any way, deterred in your efforts. And that's

00:12:06.640 one of the reasons we consider you a great American, as well as a great, a great congressman for the,

00:12:12.720 for the state of Arizona, we're talking with Andy Biggs, Congressman from Arizona. And we're going to

00:12:18.320 test out a new, a new conspiracy theory is the left would like to call it, we're going to test out

00:12:26.240 what else is required to get what is required to save this republic. We'll be talking about that CR

00:12:34.160 that the Congressman Biggs just mentioned and more stay with us. We'll be right back.

00:12:44.720 We're back with Congressman Andy Biggs. And Congressman, again, always great to talk with

00:12:48.880 you. Thanks for being here. We're talking about the votes on the, on the floor for impeaching.

00:12:56.240 Mayorkas. There's a certain symmetry that has given rise in certain quarters. And I'm, I'm one of

00:13:02.480 those people in that corner, that the the number eight has shown up again, the eight who were blocking

00:13:11.200 and tackling and the removal of Kevin McCarthy, and now the eight who are blocking the entire

00:13:16.960 conference and its will. You don't suppose the fellow who apparently threw an elbow into Congressman

00:13:25.920 Tim Burchett's back is the same fellow who is a pain in the back for the rest of the conference.

00:13:31.840 Well, I do think that Mr. McCarthy is still troubled by his removal as the Speaker of the House of

00:13:40.560 Representatives. And I do believe that he, if he could, would try to position himself to return

00:13:47.920 to the speakership. I think that's, that's part and parcel to what he would like to do. Now does,

00:13:54.240 do I think, I think he would get fewer votes today, even than he got last January. And then, then

00:14:04.640 I just, I think it'd be harder for him to get back. But I think that that's his desire. It's his life's

00:14:09.360 desire. It was just, it was his life's dream to be there. And, you know, I have some, some sympathy

00:14:16.640 for him because he didn't think that we were going to actually be able to get that done. We did. And

00:14:22.480 he's, but I don't, I don't think he's going to go quietly away into the night, Lou. I mean, I'm already

00:14:26.960 hearing that he's, he might be behind some of the efforts to try to take me out of my district through

00:14:33.040 the next election cycle. And some of the others of the eight of us. Well, you know, I'll just say

00:14:41.600 the hell with McCarthy, you can beat him hands down. And I know that you will, you have too many

00:14:47.760 admirers and too many people who respect you greatly to ever let something happen because of a two bit

00:14:53.360 political thug, trying to throw his weight around in a congressional district. I don't think that will

00:14:58.800 happen. And personally, I'll just tell you, I'm available to do whatever I can to support you.

00:15:05.600 I'll bring, you know, my wife and I'll bring our dogs, you know, out to Arizona for a, for a,

00:15:13.200 for a campaign. Congressman, I just, this is, this is ignorance writ large. And it's being written by

00:15:21.360 by the purported alleged leadership of the Republican Party. Kevin McCarthy has enough

00:15:29.680 stooges that will back him that he could block the impeachment of Mayorkas. He's now operating as

00:15:37.040 a double agent, if you will, less a double agent now than an absolutely obvious saboteur of the

00:15:45.520 Republican Party for the Biden administration, Biden regime and the Marxist stamps. When do you

00:15:51.600 get the message to him that you're just soon to get the, get out of Dodge?

00:15:56.240 Well, let's, let's consider a couple of things. First of all, when John Boehner realized that he

00:16:01.440 was going to be removed from office, you recall that he, he did a kind of a graceful thing or gracious

00:16:07.600 thing. He said, I'm just going to resign from the office and Congress itself. So I don't put the

00:16:13.120 institution through that. And that was not Mr. McCarthy's way. The other thing is Mr. McCarthy

00:16:19.440 has raised oodles of money, literally millions of dollars. And one thing he said the day that he was

00:16:27.600 removed from office and he came and he spoke to the conference, he said to us,

00:16:31.520 he says, as he's getting ready to walk off the stage, he said, I have a lot of money

00:16:37.600 and I'm no longer constrained by the rules against the speaker from you from using it.

00:16:44.880 And I'm going to go be able to use it any way I want to going forward.

00:16:49.520 Well, are you telling me the speaker is talking about the money he raised for the conference

00:16:55.360 is now in his control without any restraint?

00:16:59.120 That's what he indicated. I don't, I don't know that that's true. The, my, what historically has

00:17:06.720 always happened is that money went to the new speaker. And, and, and, but that's what Mr.

00:17:12.800 McCarthy insinuated on that particular day. And so he's dealing with not only a thug, but a crook.

00:17:21.280 And he is, I mean, he's operating like a, as Kash Patel would say, you know, a government gangster.

00:17:30.080 Yeah, well, he's, he's, he's very, and I, I, I can't tell you how mad I think he must be,

00:17:37.760 but I, but he certainly is miffed and hurt. And so he's, but I mean, at some point,

00:17:44.480 you've got to recognize that either you need to move on personally, or you need to move completely

00:17:50.000 off the stage because your time was here. You had your time and now it's time for somebody else.

00:17:57.200 I, I am trying very hard to get the new speaker to do the right thing on some of this stuff.

00:18:03.520 And, and to make sure he, he understands not to do stuff the way Mr. McCarthy did stuff.

00:18:11.600 You only get one or two chances in life to actually make a first impression, an impression that will

00:18:17.360 be lasting and, and people will see. And so it's really unfortunate that the, the main impression

00:18:26.000 people are going to have is that we're going to do a short term continuation of Pelosi, Schumer,

00:18:31.840 Biden spending levels with their policies. We're going to take that up right after this quick break.

00:18:37.440 We were talking with Congressman Andy Biggs. We're talking about what is right now,

00:18:42.240 a Republican party that is, has new leadership, but the old leadership is as subversive as I could

00:18:54.240 imagine. Let's find out more. We'll be talking with Congressman Andy Biggs on the other side of this.

00:19:00.000 We'll be right back.

00:19:00.800 We're back with Congressman Andy Biggs. Speaker, Speaker Johnson's CR idea, a staggered or laddered

00:19:14.800 CR. It does not seem to me to be particularly inventive. As a matter of fact, it strikes me as

00:19:21.200 perhaps too cute by half. There is a problem. It seems it needs to be addressed. And that I hope that

00:19:30.240 I'm wrong about this, but Speaker Johnson is taking small steps when strides are required.

00:19:37.280 Yeah. I tell people all the time, we're in such an existential crisis in this country.

00:19:41.920 It's no more, you can't trim around the edges anymore. You have to go to the heart of the matter

00:19:46.080 every time, if we're going to turn this around. So the, the, the stair step phased in, laddered,

00:19:52.560 whatever you want to call this, I understand what they're trying to do. And I'm okay with it. But as I

00:19:59.040 told them, I said, I get it. You're trying to force us out of the normal pattern to break the status

00:20:05.200 quo. And that's great. But if you don't include with that some policies and you leave it clean,

00:20:14.000 it's still the same thing as a clean CR done one time, as opposed to a clean CR done another time.

00:20:19.440 That is to say, when I say clean, I mean, no reduction in spending, no elimination of policies.

00:20:25.280 And my position to the speaker has been always a small gesture would provide you with a great deal,

00:20:32.400 an abundance of goodwill. And that a gesture like that might be, since the Senate's not going to take

00:20:38.400 up the Israel aid bill. And if you think that's important, do the Israel aid bill with the same

00:20:44.240 reduction, the IRS money, stick that in your CR. How about going back to the $16 billion that,

00:20:50.480 that the McCarthy CR gave to disaster relief? Take that from the IRS money. How about capping the IRA

00:21:02.800 Green New Deal subsidies and tax credits, which were originally going to be $350 billion, which is

00:21:08.000 outrageous, but are now projected to be over $2 trillion because there's no cap on them. How about

00:21:12.960 finding just some stuff like that, that we in the House could get 217, 218 votes on,

00:21:21.200 lay that on the Senate and then leave town and let the Senate decide if they're going to shut down 0.99

00:21:26.480 or if they're going to give us something meaningful. I mean, those are the type of small gestures I'm

00:21:32.240 talking about, Lou.

00:21:33.120 Lou, they don't seem small to me at all, Congressman. They seem to me to be as pertinent,

00:21:39.920 as important as you're saying. How will the Republicans move on the Johnson idea, his approach?

00:21:50.000 I believe we're going to vote on it sometime after you and I finished this interview

00:21:58.560 today. And what's going to happen, I believe, is that you're going to see a significant number

00:22:03.120 of Democrats come over and you'll have Republicans voting no, like myself and like Chip and Scott

00:22:09.520 Perry and Matt Rosendale, Bob Gooden and others. You're going to have Democrats that are going to come

00:22:16.080 in and vote and carry this across the finish line. I mean, McConnell's already said he's

00:22:21.600 supportive of this. Chuck Schumer said he's supportive of this. I haven't heard from Hakeem Jeffries,

00:22:28.720 but we've had a number of Democrats say they're going to vote for it. So I think it's going to pass

00:22:33.760 and I think it's going to pass with Democratic votes. His first big test, his first big initiative,

00:22:42.320 and he's going to have to have Democrat votes to move it forward.

00:22:46.080 Yeah. Sad. Frustrated. Maddening.

00:22:50.880 It is. You know, I don't know what to say. I mean, I really don't know what to say that

00:22:57.520 the matter is so straightforward. We have a puppet president in the White House who is impaired.

00:23:05.200 He's corrupt. He's compromised. He is a danger to the Republic. He's about to meet with the leader

00:23:13.120 of the most powerful nation on Earth after the United States, who has been threatening the United

00:23:20.080 States militarily geopolitically, saying he's going to pull off a Ukraine basically with Taiwan.

00:23:29.040 And he's sitting down and that ought to be some conversation, don't you think?

00:23:33.440 And now we have a speaker who wants half measures. Perhaps, you know, perhaps you and I were wrong

00:23:41.120 about something. Maybe McCarthy will look good when this is all done. Because this is just, I have to

00:23:50.400 say to you, I understand why you're perhaps concerned more than concerned. I think it's just unspeakable

00:24:00.400 that he would do this. Yeah. I mean, unpacking what you just said, let's just cover it real quick.

00:24:06.720 Biden is wounded. He is incapable of leading. He's also, besides China, he's talking about giving

00:24:15.120 billions more to Iran, who is funneling it through to these terrorist organizations.

00:24:21.680 Why in the world would you facilitate an ongoing of that, the bill, the spending levels that we had

00:24:31.840 last year, put in by Schumer, Pelosi and Biden, that gave us a $2.25 trillion structural deficit,

00:24:41.840 Lou. And you're going to keep those and the horrible policies where there's the woke policies,

00:24:47.200 the ESG, the DEI policies that are in place, whether you're going to keep these uncapped IRA,

00:24:54.240 Green New Deal subsidies and tax credits in place, whether you're going to keep the border open

00:24:59.200 because of failure to leverage that. I mean, I look at it and I say, we are in an existential crisis.

00:25:06.160 And it seems to me we might have, we might have been able to get something done that was meaningful

00:25:12.240 so that the American people could say, yes, somebody is taking charge again and trying to restore

00:25:21.520 this great country to its place. But when instead we continue down a path of erosion,

00:25:27.120 except for erosion denotes a slow moving disintegration. And ours is not a slow moving

00:25:33.520 disintegration anymore, Lou. Ours is an accelerating disintegration of this once great nation.

00:25:40.000 Andy Biggs, we appreciate it, Congressman, for you being with us and for all your tireless efforts

00:25:46.560 on behalf of this great nation. Thanks, Lou.

00:25:49.600 Thank you so much. God bless.

00:25:51.280 Thank you. Appreciate it.

00:25:52.400 Thanks to Congressman Biggs. Thanks, everybody, for being with us. And here tomorrow on The Great

00:25:57.200 America Show, we'll be taking up the right to life and the impact of Roe v. Wade on American society

00:26:04.400 and our culture, the impact as well of the Dobbs decision turning the issue over to the states.

00:26:10.480 And how will it affect the 2024 elections? Please join us for that tomorrow. Join us each and every

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