NO ONE GAVE THIS BUSINESS GUY A CHANCE. THEN TRUMP SHOCKED THE WORLD, CREATING THE BIGGEST POLITICAL MOVEMENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY
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On today's show, Lou Dobbs talks about a new revelation about Joe Biden's secret stash of documents, Devin Nunes joins the Great America Show to discuss the latest in the Russia/Trump collusion scandal, and more!
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Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you with us.
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We're all about truth, justice, and the American way here. And let's start with a startling new
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entry in the truth column. Puppet President Joe Biden, who never ceases to meet the lowest of
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expectations, especially when it comes to truth. Before now, Biden's attorneys, the FBI, and the
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National Archives, hadn't disclosed how many boxes had been in the Penn Biden Center in Washington.
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Now, Fox News reports that Biden's attorney, Patrick Moore, shipped at least nine boxes from the
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Biden Center to Moore's office up in Boston. And we're learning about it now, thanks only to Senator
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Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley. Nine more boxes and we don't know what they contain. It's not
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unreasonable, of course, to assume there are some classified documents. Biden does have a history,
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doesn't he? And apparently no one has gone through those boxes, or at least so they say. Outrageous.
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And the Marxist Dems in the Senate have reintroduced a resolution that would claim the date of March 1st
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for the national, quote, COVID-19 Victims Memorial Day. The resolution was first introduced in August of
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2021, but wasn't passed. You'll be pleased to know this new resolution is far more gender neutral than
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the original. It replaces the words mother and father with the word parents, and brother and sister
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with the word siblings. Isn't that thoughtful? Everything the Marxists do is politicized and,
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where possible, weaponized against decency, the traditional family, truth, and the American way.
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The Marxists are doing all they can to stop President Trump, but their corruption is being
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revealed more by the day. Those nine boxes, they're just more reason to demand that the Biden cesspool
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and the Justice Department drop altogether their efforts to prosecute President Trump, trying to
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block his path to return to the White House. The president's successfully doing what he must do to
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defeat the billionaire oligarch donors and the RINO candidates they will trot out to run against him.
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A tough battle is underway, but President Trump is winning in these early rounds, whether it be his
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dominating win in the CPAC straw poll or his general poll numbers that show him to be not only the leader
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of the Republican Party, but he's retaining as well his high favorability lead with his base, and he's
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gaining momentum. Our guest today is the man who first warned President Trump about the Russian
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collusion hoax. He's served 20 years in Congress. Devin Nunes joins us now. Devin is the chief executive
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officer of Trump Media and Technology, including the properties Truth Social and Rumble. Devin, it is
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great to have you back with us here on the show, and welcome. Devin, what is your reaction to President
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Trump's positioning now in the Republican Party and his popularity with the people who matter most,
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Republican and independent voters? Well, Lou, it's great to be back with you, and what's obvious
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whenever you travel around the country, which I do a lot of on behalf of Truth Social, you see Trump
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2024 flags everywhere, you know, and in fact, you know, we're headquartered in Florida, and when I drive
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across the state, you know, from our headquarters, which is on the Gulf side, over to Mar-a-Lago to see the
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president, you know, you see Trump 2024 flags everywhere, and so I think what we're looking
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at here is an unprecedented political movement. It started as Donald Trump the outsider back in 15
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and 16. Nobody really gave him a chance, and then he shocked the world, and then by doing that, he
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really pulled the Band-Aid off of all the corruption, which likely existed. The left was doing it to George
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W. Bush, was doing it to, you know, during all the Obama years, and nobody expected somebody like Trump to,
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number one, to win, but then number two, he operates outside the norms, and he would just call them out on
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things, and now where we're at, Lou, is that over the four years that Trump was president, he shocked everybody
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by actually doing what he said he was going to do, even though he didn't get full cooperation from
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from all the Republicans in Congress, and of course, lost control of Congress for the last two years,
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but he actually did the things he said he was going to do, and probably the best example of that is
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taking on China. Nobody thought he was going to take on China, including me, because I've heard every
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single president say we're going to get tough on China, and I'll be damned if he didn't do it,
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and I think a lot of the credit goes to, you know, some of the president's people that he picked from
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the very beginning were rock stars, and, you know, everybody talks about the people who didn't work
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out or that turned on Trump. You know, Trump didn't have a lot of connections to Washington, D.C.,
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didn't know how the swamp operated, didn't know all the players, but I will tell you, Ambassador
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Robert Lighthizer does not get the credit that he should get. I mean, he was probably one of the best
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people in the Trump administration. I mean, they took on China, and, you know, and President Trump,
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as you know, in his heart, in his bones, he does not like to see the empty factories spread throughout
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the Rust Belt, and I think that resonates with people, and then you saw how he was attacked by
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the FBI, the DOJ, every level of government, and what it's turned into, Lou, is simply just a movement,
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so I like to tell people, look, not only, you know, I know a lot of these people that are either
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running for president or pretending like they're going to run, and I just say, look, good luck,
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guys. I mean, we haven't had a political movement like this, and you're not dealing with somebody
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who is your average Joe, and even your average Joe politician. As you know, Lou, I mean, Donald
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Trump works seven days a week. He's never off. He's always on. He may not like everything he says,
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but you know what? He's out there working. He's out there swinging the bat, and that's going to be
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tough for anyone to get around, and I think that's what you saw at CPAC last week, and I've got some
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other fun stories that I can share with you, but I'll pass it back to you. No, I just want to agree
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with you about Robert Lighthizer, and I had some relationship with a number of people in the
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administration. None, in my opinion, compared to Robert Lighthizer in his intellectual depth,
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his knowledge, and his commitment to the president's direction to bring that trading relationship with
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China into balance, including the inception of those tariffs that the president wanted to put on.
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People, I just want to agree absolutely 100 percent with you about his role and how important it was
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if the president had had a cabinet full of Robert Lighthizer's, an administration and executive
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office building filled with Robert Lighthizer's. Of course, his talents are so rare, you couldn't fill
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it more than a couple more offices maybe, but he would have made all the difference in the world
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because some of the choices the president, as you alluded to, made some bad choices,
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and the result was that with all of the fire, the incoming from the left, from the deep state,
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it was a miracle that President Trump got done what he did, which was more than any president in
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modern American history. I think that's right, Lou, and you know, and you hear this a lot that one of
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the advantages that President Trump has coming back in is that when he lost, and then he set up on the
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outside, you know, these groups form, the America, different America First groups, you got the
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America First legal with Stephen Miller, and then you've got the America First group that Linda
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McMahon is chairing. You know, this is a situation now that, you know, when President Trump, you know,
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if he's successful again, you know, he'll go in with a whole stable of people that he didn't have
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before. Before he just thought that, hey, when I get to D.C., you know, there's just a lot of good
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Republicans and the party apparatus will help me out. Well, he knows that's not the case. And so
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nobody is ready to go into battle with the right people in place, like Trump is now, not to mention
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that, you know, like he said at CPAC, you know, the other day, I mean, he's, you know, he's, he's really
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a man on a mission. And he knows, you know, I see the fake news making a big deal about, you know, his
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point that he made at CPAC is that, you know, so many Americans were done wrong, right? Whether
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it's General Flynn and all the people wrapped up in the Russia hoax, or, you know, January,
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January 6th people who are being treated differently than anyone else, or all the ridiculous
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investigations that are, that are underway not right now in the DOJ with the, with the documents,
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the Mar-a-Lago documents hoax, the Ukraine impeachment hoax, it goes on and on. And Donald
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Trump says, look, I'm the guy who's going to, who's going to get retribution. And they,
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and the fake news, they go crazy with that. It's like, well, what the hell do you expect?
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Like, you know, you expect all of us just to take this, to sit here and take it? Like, this is not
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the Republican Party of old. You know, we see, I mean, I was there, Lou, for, for, for two decades,
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and I saw the degradation and the weakness in the Republican Party, and it really just manifested
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itself, uh, during the Trump administration. You really cut the, you know, the, the men from the
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boys, so to speak, if we can even say men and boys anymore. And to this point, I think there's every
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reason for those of us on the right in this country to assert our values and to steadfastly, uh,
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preserve them, uh, and persevere, uh, against the left in this country, as you're talking about. I,
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I, I, I have to say, go on, I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just going to, just going to point
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out, I know this is not what you had me on to talk about, but I think, you know, I'm obviously,
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I spent a lot of time in Florida now at our, at true social headquarters, but, you know, I still
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spend a lot of time in California. My family lives in California, my wife and children, and,
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and I'll tell you this, you know, so it's kind of the heart of, of progressive, uh, craziness,
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although I'm in the middle of the state, so we're a little less impacted by it. But, but I just don't
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believe, I think what's happened here is, is you've got the fake news, which is doing the typical fake
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news stuff. They're talking about this with the hard progressive left, which is probably, I mean,
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probably even in the state of California, it's less than five, maybe 10% of the population that
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really believes in this crazy stuff. And what's happening is, is that they just, they've,
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especially in California, they've managed to cut off 55%, 60% of the population from real
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information. Right. And they've done this successfully. So by not just controlling the
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fake news, but also controlling the delivery of the fake news, which is the social media company.
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And so you've got 55, 60% of Californians who are running around like, okay, we're told to vote
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Democrat. We're going to vote Democrat. We know the Republicans must suck because we hear that every
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single day. But you know what? If those, if, if those people, I have to think a big percentage
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of those people, even in California, as crazy as this sounds, if, if you went to them and said,
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Hey, did you know that the, the progressive democratic socialist left that has full control
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of the state of California wants to give reparations to black people in California, even though the state
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of California never had a slave and fought on the side of the union, they actually want to increase
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the amount from 250 to, I don't know, I think it's 350 now. And as you know, that they're fighting to
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say that there's, you can't use he or she anymore. There's, there's no difference between boys and
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girls and that people can decide what sex they are. And if they have rights, special rights in the state
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of California and they want to, they want to take this not only nationally, but, but globally, do you
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know about this? I think the answer Lou would be, they would just sit there glass eyed and be like,
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um, Lou Dobbs, Devin and what the hell are you talking about? There's never heard any, any such
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thing. Well, I think it's just a matter of, of, of information getting to the people. I have to think
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even the people of California would say they have no clue. This is going on. No clue.
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I think you're right. I'm just looking down here at Twitter, uh, and, uh, Elon Musk, who has been,
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uh, and by the way, I think he has truly been at various points, a champion of free speech,
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but I'm just checking to see how many followers I have right now. And I want to give everybody a
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correct update on this. And if I can get this number up here, um, it's 2 million, almost 2.4
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million, uh, followers. And it's been that way for quite a while. And if I go to the analytics
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right now, and I, there's a point to this, believe me, folks, bear with me, the analytics for, uh,
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this show that last month I had something like 6,000 followers, new followers, which is a,
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a very small number for what is typical, uh, for the show, because I'm being shadow banned is the
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point under the Elon Musk, who is supposed to be all better than all of those Twitter critters who
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preceded him in one fashion or another, because they're shadow banning me because I am a conservative
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and I am for Donald Trump and I am for America first and MAGA. I I'm all traditional founding
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values. I believe fervently in the constitution, the rule of law that makes me a dangerous, dangerous
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extremist in the minds of the rhinos, as well as what you call the progressive left. By the way,
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I don't refer to Democrats as the progressive left. I'm calling them what they are. They are Marxist.
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and I will not give them the word progressive because they're not progressing anything. They
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are destroyers. They are putting this country back decades, uh, with all of their stratagems,
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which are Marxist in both design and effect your thoughts. Well, look, I totally agree. I mean,
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we're the, in California, you know, we're really the Guinea pig, especially where I'm from in the San
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Joaquin Valley of California, kind of the middle of the state, the agricultural area. A lot of what you
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see of the, of the hard left Marxist left, and I totally agree with you on that, that definition,
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but a lot of these, like the crazy environmental policies started, started here in California.
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It started 20, 30 years ago, and gradually it took shape in Washington, DC and the rest of the country.
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Many parts of the country have not really seen the impact of these Marxist policies that come out of
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California. The same, Lou, is true for this whole transgender issue. I mean, it started in California,
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gosh, I'm thinking maybe 10, 15 years ago, roughly, where they made a big deal about, about making sure
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that boys could use girls' bathrooms at school. You may, you may remember some of that. So what
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started here, and they just continue, they just continue to push these, these policies forward.
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And, and look, as it relates to Twitter and Elon Musk, I think the way you have to look at this is
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that, you know, hey, we're, we're very thankful that, that Elon Musk, when I say we, President Trump and
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I were very supportive of Elon Musk buying Twitter, you know, because the goal at True Social is to, is to
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open up the America, open up the internet in order to give the American people their voice back. And we've
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successfully done that, right? Over the last year, if you look at where we've come from, you know, we operate
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without using an Amazon, or, you know, a Microsoft, or any of the big major tech, tech tyrant companies. We don't use any of
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that, Lou. Between True Social and Rumble, we have our own enclosed system where we're not reliant on
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these big tech companies. And no matter how hard they, they attack us, everything they do to us, they
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say, you know, so many, you know, fake news stories about us. But, you know, here we are standing, coming
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out with features, continuing to grow every day. And I think what Elon Musk is, is, is seeing is that,
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you know, Twitter, which is kind of a relic platform that goes back to, gosh, I think they started
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Twitter in 2006 or 2007. And I know, I went onto the platform in 2009. And what they successfully did over the
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years is they, they built a wicked web of algorithms into their software that they can't fix. And so even though
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Elon Musk has, has said, hey, I don't want any of this to happen. It's like, how do you fix it? And I saw an interview
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that he, that he did, that said, you know, they may have to rewrite all the code. And, you know, I don't
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know if that's true, but that's what he, that's what he said. And if you take what we've done, which is
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entirely different with our feed, is that we don't use an algorithm. The feed is the feed. Lou, if you
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post at 12 p.m. and I post at 1230, I'm going to be first in someone's feed and you're going to be
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second. There's no algorithm. There's no getting rid of, there's no, there's no putting Devin Nunes under
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Lou. There's no putting Donald Trump in front of us. It's just, the order is the order. And that,
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if you may remember, that is how Facebook and Twitter used to operate. It used to just be in
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chronological order. But what started with, hey, we're going to use algorithms to improve your
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experience turned into, well, we're going to define what we think your experience should be.
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And we're going to deem Lou Dobbs as not good information. So we're going to suppress him.
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And I think now Twitter's kind of reached its peak. Everybody who wants to be on Twitter is on
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Twitter. And they have a problem now of just fixing all of that code. So I don't know if
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they're ever going to return to what they once were. But look, we're just going to continue.
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True Social is going to continue to work with great partners like Rumble. And we're going to keep this
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internet wide open. We're going to stand in the breach. And we're going to support people like Elon
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Musk and anybody else who wants to fix this problem moving forward.
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Well, I'm glad to hear that because we're planning to come over to Rumble very quickly here.
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And I may call to get some advice, if I may. But it's really a different experience on,
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as you say, True Social and Twitter. Let me just read you the tweet that I sent.
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Sure, Elon Musk, this is the way I tweeted this out. Sure, at Elon Musk is shadow banning me even
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worse than the old Twitter critters. But what he's done with SpaceX is absolutely thrilling,
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historic and central to America's space program. He's routinized rocket launches,
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every one of them a thrilling hoot. But here's the reality. Twitter is still, by the way,
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you mentioned information not good. And I really think all of us on the right should be very careful
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about these words. It isn't that the information isn't good. It is simply that the viewpoint is
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opposite the Marxist left. And they are not tolerating it. And they're crushing it. They're
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crushing it in schools. They're crushing the homogeneity of, excuse me, the homogeneity of
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this country in favor of multiculturalism, which would be fine if it were transitional.
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But they want that to be the result. That is, balkanization of America rather than a pluribus
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junum, you know, out of many, one. And this is, and they want the family destroyed. And they're,
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and they are doing very well with it with two, two Marxist organizations called teachers unions,
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the two largest, destroying public education in this country.
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You know, it's funny you mentioned, I haven't heard that term in a while, multiculturalism.
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You know, when I was in college, that was the new thing. That was the big thing. And they were,
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they were teaching us that in college. And, you know, back in those, in those days, you know,
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it sounded a little bit ridiculous, but it's like, okay, look, you know, there's, there's a lot of
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different cultures and we need to, you know, we need to accept all the cultures. Got it. No problem.
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You know, but hey, we're all Americans. It just didn't seem that extreme at the time when I was in,
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when I was going to college. But now you see, they turned what, hey, we should just all be aware of
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everybody and accept everybody's differences. And, and I actually think it's important to recognize,
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like, hey, instead of just calling yourself a Hispanic or a Latino, you know, that's kind of
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something made up by the left wing, because everybody has an origin. Everybody has a family
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that came from somewhere, right? They love to, you know, if you, if you came from, you know, Brazil,
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Brazil, you're a hell of a lot different than somebody that came from Chile or somebody who
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came from even within Mexico, there's a huge difference. I mean, I went to school with so
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many people who had family in Mexico or, or originated from Mexico. They didn't say, oh,
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we're, you know, when I'm talking about when I was a kid, they didn't say, oh, I'm a, I'm a Latino
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or, and I sure as hell didn't say, I'm a Latinx. They sure as hell didn't say that.
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What they did say is they'd say, oh, I'm from, you know, my, I've got my grandmother came from
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Tijuana and my grandfather was from Guadalajara. Like, it'd be just like in the United States
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saying, Lou, like we, like we were talking about, like, you know, you spent so much time in New
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Jersey, right? And I've, I'm California. People have pride in that kind of thing. But, but now what
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they've, and everybody around the world has pride of where their ancestors came from. There's nothing
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wrong with that. But what that was 30 years ago has now metamorphed itself into, oh, if you're a
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LGBTQ plus brown, green, whatever, you need to be a Latinx. We're going to call you a Latinx and
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you've been discriminated against and you need to get reparation. I mean, it's absolute madness where
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we come in, in 30 years that I can't even, I can't even believe it. What was multiculturalism is
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without craziness. Right. Well, I'm a product of the sixties. I mean, that was the era of Vietnam,
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civil rights, the sexual revolution, you know, sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Those folks who were
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talking about the, the society that they were upending in, in the sixties, they would not have
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had any idea that all of that could become what we have today, which is mind control, absolute
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insistence upon conformity on the part of the Marxist left, certainly. Uh, and the, uh, and the
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hollowed out now Democrat party, which had to make room for Marxism. Uh, they would never believe this.
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It is the Marxists are totalitarian. They are authoritarian and they will not rest until this
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country is no longer a constitutional Republic, no longer a democracy known as the United States
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of America. We may be known as the States of America, uh, but it will be a Marxist form of
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government. Yeah, it's, it's, um, it's really moving that way that, I mean, there's no question.
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And if you think about, you know, the 1960s, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't alive then, but
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But Lou, you had, you actually had legitimate issues going on during that time period, right?
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Number one, you had a, you had a war waging that was, you know, at first remember that it was,
00:24:25.600
it was not a war. It was a secret war, right? In the, in the early sixties when they first went
00:24:30.440
into Vietnam and American people didn't know about it. And we started losing lives over there. And then
00:24:35.120
it was, then it was a war. Um, and then we had so many people that got, you know, killed or injured
00:24:40.260
over there, Americans, and nobody knew what the hell we were even doing there or how we got in,
00:24:44.940
in, into that mess. Um, and at the same time, we were dealing with real problems and not in
00:24:50.820
California, I must say, but no question, there were still, there were, there were still segregation
00:24:55.800
of, of schools, you know, in the fifties and the, in the, in the early sixties. I mean,
00:25:00.780
that's a legitimate concern that by the way, the Republicans are the ones who work to free the
00:25:07.940
slaves. And they were the ones who carried this legislation forever because it was a legitimate
00:25:12.320
problem. But now what's happened is instead of like seeing that, Hey, we've solved the problem
00:25:17.280
and how do we make things even better? We've went to, Oh no, no. You know, even though, you know,
00:25:23.380
you've been oppressed, you know, maybe, I mean, I get a kick out of, out of, you know, I, I,
00:25:28.140
it tends to be, you see a lot of, a lot of people that are, um, that come from Africa,
00:25:34.500
that, that immigrants from Africa, right. Uh, and so not people, not, not Americans,
00:25:40.060
not African Americans, but people that come first generation. And, um, it's just funny how they tend
00:25:45.140
to be so much more conservative. I don't know if you've ever noticed that, but they tend to be so
00:25:49.980
much more conservative and they're so happy to be here and they're, and they're working and they don't
00:25:52.940
sit around going, Oh, well, there used to be segregation and there was slavery in the United
00:25:58.460
States. So poor me, like I'm going to protest the government. It's like, no, they're happy to be
00:26:04.100
here. They're out there working hard. And there's just such a, such a difference between what the
00:26:09.600
radical left, what they do to these, to, to, to young people, no matter what you are. I mean,
00:26:13.620
if you're, if you're, if you're, they try to put you into a group and into a box and say,
00:26:18.620
you've been disadvantaged therefore, and we're the ones that are going to help you. You need to
00:26:22.560
be pissed off and you need to vote for us because we're going to get you free stuff versus, you know,
00:26:29.000
people that just come over here, you know, they come into the country and they want to work,
00:26:32.040
they want to work hard. And, and, you know, I mean, I just look at it as, I mean, how I grew up in a,
00:26:37.400
in the San Joaquin Valley and, you know, we had, you know, not a lot of people were really born in
00:26:42.600
the San Joaquin Valley because it's just been a growing area. It was an agricultural area.
00:26:46.040
I mean, hell, Lou, we had kids from, you know, Okies. We call them Okies because that's what
00:26:51.860
they called themselves. They were, they were, they were from the Dust Bowl era. You may remember,
00:26:56.040
you know, John Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath, you know, famous, famous book, but that's where I grew
00:27:00.620
up. You know, we had kids that came from Oklahoma and, and from, and from Arkansas or their parents
00:27:06.340
did, you know, during the Dust Bowl. And we had kids that came from, a lot of kids that came from
00:27:10.280
Mexico. We had a lot of kids, you know, like me, that their families came from, from the Azor
00:27:14.100
Islands. You know, everybody came here, you worked in agriculture. It was a nice place to grow up.
00:27:19.240
Nobody sat around saying, oh my God, we've been oppressed. And, and we think the government
00:27:23.980
should give us something. It's like, no, the, you're like, Hey, we're just happy to have a job
00:27:28.700
and our families are happy to, to feed our families. And that's the spirit of America. It's
00:27:35.240
not what the, what the left is pushing and trying to create all these different, you know, boxes of
00:27:41.820
people that then turn into essentially, it's, they're trying to create these, these phony
00:27:46.800
voting blocks. You know, they are, but the, they needs to be, I think, better defined. I think we
00:27:55.420
can't just put it all at the hands of the, of the left wing Marxist in this country who grew up during
00:28:02.580
the sixties and handed off to the Obama generation. And now, uh, this, this generation, uh, which is
00:28:10.560
just being filled with fatuous nonsense, posing as reason and some basic knowledge. Uh, the, the
00:28:18.480
reality is that corporate America in this country, that was the hand, uh, you know, went hand in hand
00:28:24.540
with the Republican party, the chamber of commerce and the business round table. You, you were a
00:28:28.700
congressman for 20 years, uh, you know, all of this, but most people don't understand corporate
00:28:36.520
America through, through its voice on television is sending all of the wrong messages to American
00:28:43.120
families, all of the wrong messages over every medium I can think of. I don't personally find a single
00:28:50.380
exception, uh, except for podcasting, of course, and social media will real in respect to you and to me.
00:28:58.140
Uh, everywhere else, corporate America are sending tragic, awful messages to the American
00:29:05.060
people. They're beating them down. Uh, everyone, every time you see a man, uh, who's a head of a
00:29:11.320
family on a commercial, he's a fool, uh, is, uh, acts a fool, uh, families are discordant and, uh, and just
00:29:21.240
simply, uh, most of them just, uh, pictured as, uh, stupid, uh, gatherings, uh, on the screen. It's
00:29:31.260
outrageous. It's outrageous what corporate America is doing. Here's the, well, here's the positive news
00:29:37.120
on all that. Uh, on one hand, you're right. You've got, and let's just talk dollars and cents. And I was
00:29:42.840
in Washington, DC talking about this. So you podcasting, me running true social, um, other
00:29:49.040
companies like rumble. And there's, there's probably a lot, you know, there's, there's probably, you
00:29:53.600
know, the top 500 to a thousand different podcasters, companies, talk show hosts, what the
00:29:59.160
left has successfully done is they've, they've blacklisted so many people in America where what
00:30:05.200
they do with the woke corporates is if they tell them, well, look, you don't want to be advertising
00:30:09.860
with, you know, uh, Breitbart or the daily caller or just the news or Lou Dobbs or, or true social,
00:30:17.520
because, you know, they've been deemed by these independent fact checkers as, you know, being
00:30:22.820
fake or false information. And so they're very clever. The left has been very clever how they
00:30:28.860
force these corporate boards to, to adhere to this radical philosophy. And I think that's one thing
00:30:36.420
that has definitely happened over, over, you know, my time that I spent in Washington is watching that
00:30:42.460
happen. And now being at a, at a startup, you know, here at true social, you know, we see that now
00:30:47.160
every day as, as we've started to, to test and beta test our advertising platform. Uh, it's kind of
00:30:53.220
odd, Lou, even though we've got, you know, millions of users kind of strange. I don't see the
00:30:58.740
same advertisers that you see on say, you know, the, the network news, uh, folks, or, you know,
00:31:07.460
it's just, I mean, look, I'm being facetious here. We know why. So the good thing is we're on top of
00:31:13.060
it. We know what's happening. And now we, now we know what to, now we know what to go, go after.
00:31:18.100
And I was in Washington, DC, making my former colleagues aware of this, like, guys, forget all
00:31:22.460
this other stuff. You need to look at the two to $300 billion a year. That's going to go to internet
00:31:27.500
advertising. And they've, they're six, the left is successfully starving all of these small
00:31:33.800
businesses, right? I mean, you're a small businessman, Lou. I mean, you know, in the
00:31:37.900
podcast business and they're starving all of these companies of, of dollars. Now, the good news is,
00:31:44.340
is that these fact check groups will melt. They will melt and fall apart. You're already starting
00:31:50.160
to see it. A couple of, it's already happened to, uh, just here in the last few weeks. And I think
00:31:54.660
if the Republicans in Congress really start to look at these fact check groups that are,
00:31:59.360
that are working to blacklist, um, you know, hundreds and hundreds of conservative small
00:32:04.520
businesses across this country that are in the media, in the media sphere, uh, it's going
00:32:09.980
to backfire. And in fact, and I'll just kind of close with this, Lou, and see if you agree
00:32:15.280
with me or not. Um, what I've noticed, if you go back to, let's, let's take 2016, when Donald Trump,
00:32:22.980
you know, running for president, you had the network news, you had the three cable, the cable,
00:32:29.940
uh, channels. Um, you had the big radio guys, the Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. Mark Levin.
00:32:36.860
They were all there at that. And then you had Facebook, basically. It was Facebook,
00:32:42.100
little bit of Instagram, little bit of Twitter. And you had some local news. You know, if you're
00:32:46.460
running for office locally, you had a little bit of local news and, and the, you know, the big,
00:32:50.320
the big news outlets. That's it. That's all you had back in 2016. But because the left string,
00:32:58.240
put a stranglehold over all of that, what it's creating, like they're squeezing this and they
00:33:03.380
think they have it all enclosed, but the opposite is happening. The opposite is happening. What's
00:33:08.860
happening is, boom, Lou Dobbs starts up and has podcasts, right? Boom, true social appears. Boom,
00:33:14.740
rumble appears, right? I was at CPAC on, on, uh, Thursday and you, well, you'll believe it, Lou.
00:33:23.900
But, uh, you know, the tradition of CPAC is you walk in there, I've done it every single year
00:33:29.340
and immediately you get hounded by 10, 20, 30 fake news reporters from the, from really the relic
00:33:35.880
news media services. And they run up to you and say, Oh, you're a right wing, uh, festival here.
00:33:41.680
Not the, you know, the usual bullshit questions you get. Right. Right. And anyway, so guy comes up to
00:33:48.280
me. He's generally been a nice guy. I've known him for, for many years. He's a, he's a fake news guy.
00:33:54.020
And I was there on radio row, which Lou, you've been there many times. You know what I'm talking
00:33:57.820
about at CPAC where all the, the, the, you know, talk show guys are all, all outside.
00:34:04.200
And he says to me, he says, don't you, uh, don't you think it's strange that there's no
00:34:10.060
major, major, uh, media outlets that are here this year, you know, in the, in radio row. And I'm,
00:34:17.080
I'm thinking to myself, what was called radio row. I don't know if they have a new name for it now,
00:34:20.540
but that's kind of the nickname for it. Right. And I looked at it and I looked down and I looked,
00:34:24.560
I looked one way and I saw, I mean, just podcaster after podcaster, after Newsmax,
00:34:29.600
after OAN, after Epic times, you know, just down the line, they're all there.
00:34:34.220
And I said, what are you talking about? Well, there's no, you know, you don't see the,
00:34:38.820
the major news outlet. I don't know what he's telling me to get in that. Look, I've never seen
00:34:42.840
them, but I said, if I were you, I said, this is the new journalism, all these, this row and,
00:34:47.480
and, and down that. And then I pointed down the other way, this is journalism, my friend.
00:34:52.180
This is the, the new rise of independent journalism. I said, I don't know what you're
00:34:57.820
doing, but you're asking me a stupid question right now because you're working for a relic.
00:35:01.820
Nobody cares what you're going to say. I like you, but, but I mean, I don't know what you're
00:35:06.140
looking at. This is it. And then lo and behold, now Lou, let's just take on Saturday night,
00:35:12.960
Donald Trump's speech on rumble. So he posted it on rumble, just Donald Trump's channel,
00:35:18.680
not including all the other channels. And you'll appreciate this, Luke, cause you're a, cause
00:35:22.720
you're a, uh, you know, you've been around and you know, the ratings business, you know,
00:35:27.120
that Donald Trump, as of today, check this morning, he's, he's over 2.3 million views
00:35:35.780
just on his rumble channel of his speech from, from Saturday night, 2.3 million. And that doesn't
00:35:44.760
include everything else. So the landscape is, is changing and changing rapidly. And I, and you
00:35:50.440
know, I'm just proud to be part of it. Well, you want to be, cause you're, you're building a
00:35:56.460
terrific, terrific competitor, uh, that is sorely needed in, in social media, as you well
00:36:02.640
know. Uh, and, and president Trump, I have to, I have to, I know that, uh, you're close
00:36:08.360
on time, but if we could, I, one last question and then I'll get asked for your concluding thoughts.
00:36:13.360
We always give you the last word, but president Trump is taking on Rupert Murdoch ferociously,
00:36:20.580
uh, going after him, uh, give us your, your thoughts on, on that, uh, and what it's where
00:36:28.420
it heads. He's trying, it seems to destroy, uh, Fox news. Well, look, I think that, that,
00:36:37.900
that, that what people sense and from, you know, president for, first of all, on true
00:36:43.960
social, he's very clear about it. Right. So I'm not saying anything that's any secret
00:36:47.440
here. Uh, yeah, he thinks that, and believes that Fox news is, is out to, is out to hurt
00:36:52.640
him and, and not giving them equal time. And so, and look, I think to some degree that
00:37:00.420
is, that is accurate. But as you know, Lou, there's plenty of people at Fox news that are
00:37:03.840
very supportive of, of president Trump. Um, but you know, and I've never, I've spoke
00:37:08.540
to Rupert Murdoch of, you know, a handful of times. Um, I don't know what the truth is
00:37:13.020
there, but, but look, I mean, I know this, you know, if you just look at what, what happened
00:37:18.980
to them after the election of, of 2000 and I guess 2020, I mean, they, they lost a lot
00:37:26.560
of, of, of conservatives that went over to places like one America news and news max,
00:37:31.480
et cetera. And I, you know, I think those are the, those are the facts and, and, you
00:37:36.780
know, I, I have to venture to guess it's because people didn't like the, the movement that's
00:37:42.420
out there that we talked about at the beginning of the show, the movement, this political
00:37:46.200
movement that started with a guy, a business guy coming down the escalator that's morphed
00:37:50.100
into the biggest, largest political movement in history. That's got all kinds of followers
00:37:53.980
that we talked about. People are rejecting kind of being controlled, right? I mean, they
00:37:59.780
want to see if, if, if Donald Trump holds a rally, they want to see, they want to see
00:38:04.520
the rally and, you know, for whatever reason, I now look, I'll give Fox news credit on Saturday
00:38:09.260
night. They did, they did carry the CPAC speech live, but that was the first live speech that
00:38:15.280
Fox has carried in, in, uh, in two years that I'm, that I'm aware of. Yeah. And me too.
00:38:20.340
I, I, and I was going to point that out that they carry that speech and, and, and good for
00:38:24.480
them. Uh, but I do think that what everyone has to be honest about what has happened here
00:38:28.900
at, uh, uh, uh, in the case of Fox and that is Fox is seen by most conservatives, most America
00:38:37.880
first, uh, Trump supporters across the country, tens of millions of them as a, uh, an election
00:38:45.580
fraud denier, uh, a 2020 election fraud denier. And that's a big deal, uh, because the, the
00:38:53.220
reality is straightforward. There were all sorts of things that took place that conspired
00:38:59.260
to reverse what should have been the presidential history. That is Donald Trump in the Oval Office
00:39:05.840
in 2021, not Joe Biden, uh, whether you're talking about, you know, any number of theories,
00:39:11.860
but there are real obvious one, the obvious one that came out. Okay. That's come out over the last
00:39:17.980
couple of years. That is, that is quite clear that, you know, I don't quite understand, you know,
00:39:24.840
you know, why people aren't covering this more, but it, and it, look, it gets into my realm in the
00:39:30.540
social media world. Facebook put in 400 and some million dollars that went to basically 10 states
00:39:37.780
that went to do what harvest ballots, like just that alone. That's not right. That's not okay.
00:39:45.600
And, and that's why you've seen the rise of independent journalism because you, because the,
00:39:50.660
the traditional outlets for news are not covering that. And that's why you've seen all of these people
00:39:57.480
take off, uh, you know, and Lou, I'll give you another example. That's just, that's just wild.
00:40:01.980
And this is no, like everybody thinks, oh, right. You know, okay. Lou Dobbs is conservative. Fine.
00:40:05.580
Devin Nunes is a conservative. Fine. Get that. Well, then how do you explain a guy named Glenn
00:40:11.360
Greenwald who Lou, I think, you know, his history. He is the guy who found an intercept. He's, he's
00:40:17.280
very left-wing. He got ran out of the intercept because largely because he wouldn't go along with
00:40:22.500
a Russia hoax. I give him credit for that, but he probably doesn't agree with you and I on any issue.
00:40:26.880
Okay. But he does agree with this, that independent journalism, and I'm going to use the word was
00:40:34.200
dead. And he set out to do something about it. And if you look at what he started just in the last
00:40:40.040
couple of months, he's got a show on rumble. Now he comes on, I think five nights a week and,
00:40:45.660
and Lou, he's getting somewhere anywhere from, from 250,000 viewers to 500,000 meters. I think I've
00:40:53.480
seen even some of his shows over 500,000. He set up a, instead of using Substack, he's actually using
00:41:00.720
a rumble product where he, he posts his stories to his, to his own channel. And so you can't just
00:41:08.080
say this is right wing. No, this is the rise of independent journalism. And yes, it's mostly going
00:41:14.360
to be from the, from the, from the right, because we've been the ones that have been most impacted,
00:41:18.660
but it's also happening on the left. And so, you know, none of these kinds of old relic media
00:41:24.480
companies, they can deny it all they want. Just like that story I told you about that reporter
00:41:28.880
been around Washington, you know, obviously way too long to not see what's happening. I mean,
00:41:35.060
if you just take the views and I'm just talking about what you see on just rumble and true social,
00:41:39.700
I mean, it is staggering the, the, the amount of new content that is out there. That's basically,
00:41:48.260
um, basically coming from in people in, you know, independent journalism, people talking about
00:41:54.000
getting to the truth. Well, and that, and that is a wonderful, wonderful trend that I, I think will,
00:42:02.520
without question, continue. Uh, if I may say, uh, just in agreement with you, uh, Glenn is
00:42:09.380
not only a left-wing journalist, he's got a, he is a distinguished, uh, terrifically talented
00:42:16.940
journalist who I respect mightily. And I can't say that about many people on the left, but he is
00:42:22.680
certainly, uh, uh, I think, uh, chief among those, uh, who are, uh, are doing great things and have done
00:42:29.060
great work throughout their careers. Uh, and speaking of great work throughout, uh, careers, uh, we always
00:42:35.820
appreciate your time. Devin Nunes, uh, appreciate you being with us. We're, uh, we're, we're delighted
00:42:43.540
always to, to learn from you whenever you take time to, to join us. We appreciate it. And, uh, we're
00:42:49.900
going to, uh, let your, your comments be the, uh, your, the concluding thoughts and the last word,
00:42:56.880
if we may, uh, just out of respect for the time, uh, that I know the crunch that you're in. Thanks so
00:43:02.380
much, Devin. God bless you. And, uh, look forward to talking to you soon. Lou, it's all, it's always
00:43:07.080
a pleasure. I look forward to being back on with you. Thanks everybody for being with us. Our guest
00:43:11.080
tomorrow, Senator Marsha Blackburn and Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton. Please be with us till then.