The Great America Show - April 17, 2024


OBAMA’S INFATUATION WITH THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC

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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Donald Trump Joe Biden Barack Obama Devin Nunes Lee Smith Mike Gallagher Mike Turner Representative Turner Mike Johnson Benjamin Netanyahu Peter McCullough Rick Grinnell Jonathan Turley Chuck Schumer Turner Wright Steve Mnuchin Drew Pinsky Greg Abbott Lisa Monaco Susan Rice and 6 more
MARCH TOWARD GLOBAL CONFLICT WANTED URGENTLY — NEW HOUSE SPEAKER

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On this episode of The Great America Show, Lou Dobbs is joined by Lee Smith, a prominent author, a Great American Author, and a frequent contributor to publications such as The New York Times, The Weekly Standard, and The Huffington Post. They discuss the death of Speaker Mike Johnson, the $1.5 Trillion spending bill, and the ongoing Trump trial.

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00:00:38.200 Hi, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:41.360 Thanks for joining us today.
00:00:43.140 A lot going on.
00:00:44.820 Speaker Mike Johnson is now, I think, truly fighting for his life.
00:00:50.980 And I have to tell you, I'm not pulling for him.
00:00:53.980 I'm thinking that he should move away from the speakership as fast as possible, and maybe
00:01:00.620 the conference will deal with that.
00:01:02.380 And a lot of people don't understand how we got to this point.
00:01:07.160 I don't think anyone in the Republican conference had any significant idea of just what an arrogant 0.98
00:01:14.080 twit this fellow really is. 0.99
00:01:16.980 He has a marginal knowledge base.
00:01:20.300 His personal expertise in law, I can't judge, but I can tell you this. 0.99
00:01:25.260 When it comes to politics, this man is a fraud.
00:01:28.700 He's just following orders, and he is nothing like a faith-based conservative that he claims to be. 0.90
00:01:37.660 There is nothing in his record to this point.
00:01:40.540 And what has it been, six months?
00:01:41.800 I mean, the man is a monstrosity of betrayal to the Republican Party and, in my opinion, to the country,
00:01:52.720 doing exactly what Joe Biden tells him, Joe Biden, and, of course, his good friend, Chuck Schumer.
00:01:59.740 This is outrageous, a $1.5 trillion spending bill he's all in for, despite the conference position
00:02:07.520 that called for quite a different direction in the way we do business in this country.
00:02:14.620 They wanted to see if we could maybe have hearings on appropriations and be able to amend bills
00:02:21.740 and actually take them on one subject, one bill, and actually start running the government
00:02:27.040 as the Republican Party would have always, in its history, insisted.
00:02:33.600 It's also the third day of the trial of Donald J. Trump in New York.
00:02:40.720 And Jonathan Turley calls it an absurdity, this trial, these charges,
00:02:47.540 and what the Marxist Dems in New York are doing to this president.
00:02:53.220 I think he's not only a former president.
00:02:55.660 I think he most certainly will be our future president as well.
00:02:59.800 Because the Marxist Dems have gone so far.
00:03:03.060 They've abused so much of their power.
00:03:04.920 They have dragged the Constitution through the mud and then set it on fire on other occasions,
00:03:12.960 whatever suits them.
00:03:14.380 They are absolutely committed to denying the Bill of Rights to the American people, our citizens.
00:03:21.340 And they make no secret of it.
00:03:24.920 A 2,000-mile border wide open turned over by Joe Biden to the Mexican drug cartels.
00:03:30.820 And though not a peep, not a concern expressed anywhere in the national left-wing media,
00:03:36.440 corporate media, for sure.
00:03:39.080 And to think that this is what we're doing at this point in our history with about six months to election.
00:03:46.520 And I think our great challenge right now is to get to November 5th without a national catastrophe,
00:03:54.280 without a war, and at least be able to look forward to January 20th of next year
00:04:03.000 is the day the country resumes leadership that is both powerful and historic.
00:04:11.660 And Donald J. Trump at the reins will be quite a different,
00:04:15.960 it'll make for quite a different atmosphere globally.
00:04:20.160 And taking up the issue of Iran, right now we're all waiting, some on tenderhooks.
00:04:27.820 I don't happen to be on tenderhooks about whether or not Benjamin Netanyahu will retaliate.
00:04:34.540 I'm satisfied that he will, because I don't see any other way in which he could be true to his nature,
00:04:41.440 to his character and his intellect.
00:04:45.560 This is a patriot and a man who lives in breeze, the welfare, the well-being of Israelis and the nation-state of Israel.
00:04:56.780 We're delighted to welcome today Lee Smith.
00:05:00.360 He is a prominent author, a great American.
00:05:03.980 He writes primarily for Tablet and other publications.
00:05:06.800 He's working on, he says, more than a few books at once.
00:05:10.540 And if anyone can do a few books at once, it would be Lee Smith.
00:05:14.340 But Lee, great to have you with us here on our show, The Great America Show.
00:05:19.200 Good to see you again, my friend.
00:05:21.000 Thank you, Lou.
00:05:22.340 Thank you for having me on today.
00:05:23.660 And thank you for the super kind introduction.
00:05:26.020 Well, I only speak truth, or I try to speak truth.
00:05:30.860 So it's great to see you, my friend.
00:05:32.660 I just want to start with, obviously,
00:05:34.700 I am as worried about the state of the Biden administration as I am about the tensions in the Middle East, 0.96
00:05:45.360 because apparently this puppet president, mentally impaired, politically compromised, 0.62
00:05:52.500 and driven by forces that we cannot put a face to beyond Barack Obama, Susan Rice, a few people, Alex Soros. 0.97
00:06:02.740 I mean, there is a list.
00:06:05.100 But what we don't know is frightening about who is driving this puppet, who are his masters,
00:06:11.720 and why in the world suddenly is he talking simultaneously to the Turks, the Iranians,
00:06:19.100 as they attack, they, the Iranians, attack the state of Israel directly? 0.80
00:06:26.280 Your thoughts?
00:06:27.580 Well, I think it's fair to say that Joe Biden is implementing the policy directed by his former boss, Barack Obama.
00:06:34.760 So I don't think this is any mystery or never mind a conspiracy theory.
00:06:40.200 Remember Barack Obama's Iran nuclear deal.
00:06:43.800 And the point of that was to realign American interest in the Middle East with those of the American Islamic Republic of Iran.
00:06:51.880 So, again, this is what Biden, this is what Joe Biden is doing.
00:06:56.340 And look at all the different former Obama Middle East officials throughout the Biden administration.
00:07:01.840 So that's what that's what's going on.
00:07:05.500 A lot of people are saying, well, Biden is leaning on the Israelis and in Gaza because of because of Michigan,
00:07:12.340 because of the Arab American vote in Michigan.
00:07:14.260 No, that's merely a small constituency.
00:07:16.940 Right.
00:07:17.360 We're talking about the base.
00:07:19.220 This is the base of Barack Obama's Democratic Party.
00:07:22.540 It's the party.
00:07:23.780 That's what they want.
00:07:24.820 It's a pro-Iran, anti-Israel party.
00:07:27.460 It also needs to be said, Lou, as you and I have discussed many times before.
00:07:31.120 It's an anti-American party as well.
00:07:35.020 And this is the this is this is part of the purpose of destabilize.
00:07:41.660 As the United States has been destabilized by these same figures, they are also working now to destabilize the Middle East.
00:07:51.080 This is a this is very important because I remember 10 years ago trying to explain the Iran deal to different people.
00:07:58.280 I don't get it.
00:07:59.220 Why is Barack Obama partial to Iran?
00:08:01.860 Why does he want to legalize their nuclear weapons program?
00:08:04.920 I think, Lou, at this point, after Russiagate, after when Barack Obama tasked his spy chiefs to go after his successor, Donald Trump,
00:08:18.500 I think after the Biden administration turned counterterrorism tactics on the political opposition,
00:08:25.060 after the Biden administration opened up our borders to felons, terrorists, spies,
00:08:31.740 I think it's a lot easier to understand right now why Barack Obama would partner with a regime determined to attack the pillars of American peace and prosperity.
00:08:45.120 So fundamentally, that's what we're seeing happening in the Middle East.
00:08:48.780 Israel is a part of it.
00:08:50.580 But remember, it's the United States that has been since the Cold War, the guarantor of Middle East stability, both in the Persian Gulf and the eastern Mediterranean.
00:09:01.340 So, again, while Israel is paying a price for Barack Obama's infatuation with the Islamic Republic, the primary target here, Iran's primary target, has always been the United States.
00:09:16.760 And that's the case with the Obama faction of the Democratic Party.
00:09:21.460 And I think that as you lay it out, it's it's clear as it could possibly be.
00:09:26.800 One of the and it's always interesting to me to to recall 2008, 2009, as the is the two terms of Barack Obama began to think back to the amount of constraint in the part of the public, in the public, our politicians.
00:09:48.500 And, of course, the national corporate media, they were afraid because this was the first black president.
00:09:54.400 And I mean, they were very, very, very careful.
00:09:59.200 They wouldn't they would walk up to talking about fundamental transformation, as he called for it, the fundamental transformation of the United States.
00:10:07.780 But they would not challenge it.
00:10:10.140 They would not report it with a vigor that any other president certainly would have would have been the beneficiary of.
00:10:17.520 It's it's interesting now with the passage of time, people have no problem saying Barack Obama is the the inception of all that we are witnessing under this what some outright call the third term of Barack Obama.
00:10:34.480 And by the way, I think there is they're absolutely right as rain.
00:10:38.660 What do you think?
00:10:39.220 Well, no, I agree entirely.
00:10:41.840 And you and I say that, Lou, and our friends and many of our colleagues say that.
00:10:46.300 And, of course, a large a large amount of our neighbors and fellow Americans, especially who vote Republican, will say that as well.
00:10:53.980 But unfortunately, I found and maybe you found the same.
00:10:57.240 But still, even on Capitol Hill today, people are afraid, Republicans are afraid to to challenge Barack Obama.
00:11:05.740 And look, I think, you know, your introduction started by talking about the nominally Republican led Congress.
00:11:14.620 I think that House members could have spent the last two years starting investigations, getting documents, trying to secure documents on what happened during the Obama administration.
00:11:26.300 Right. If people believe that Obama is as is has used Joe Biden as an avatar, which I think is an accurate description, then one useful thing would have been to get different documentation from the Obama years, both on Russiagate.
00:11:41.200 Let's remember this. These were Barack Obama's spy chiefs.
00:11:44.520 That's something that's something, for instance, that House intelligence chair, Mike Turner, could have spent his time on doing.
00:11:52.600 They also could have found all sorts of stuff on the documents on the Iran deal.
00:11:56.800 The Obama administration hid documents that the Trump administration tried to uncover.
00:12:01.580 Right. These weren't even classified documents.
00:12:03.660 These were documents that were unclassified, that they mixed with classified documents to hide them.
00:12:09.320 Right. So this could have been an effort to find out if this started with a Barack Obama.
00:12:14.740 We should get to the bottom of it. What happened?
00:12:17.520 What were the different things that Barack Obama put in place so that 10 years, 10 years after Obama or rather 15 years since he started his term?
00:12:29.440 Why does America look the way it does right now?
00:12:32.700 That's very helpful information.
00:12:34.500 Unfortunately, Republican House members did not do that.
00:12:38.100 But that's why it's important, I think, for for us to discuss it and for people to be forthright about what's going on here.
00:12:45.380 Again, what we're seeing in the Middle East.
00:12:47.260 And we're and we're with the man to have that frank discussion.
00:12:50.820 But we're talking with Lee Smith.
00:12:52.540 We're coming right back after these quick messages.
00:12:54.600 We will be talking about the the importance of perspective in all of this and understanding the role of Barack Obama, his intelligence chiefs and what they did and what is still occurring under their influence and direction in this in this country.
00:13:14.000 We'll be right back with Lee Smith.
00:13:15.840 And oh, by the way, I'm going to ask Lee about two guys I think were separated at birth.
00:13:21.140 One's name is, well, his his name is Mike Gallagher.
00:13:26.140 And the other fellow is also a Mike.
00:13:28.420 There are a lot of Mike's and I don't like many of the Mike's for some reason.
00:13:31.860 The other fellow is Mike Turner, Mike Turner, Mike Gallagher.
00:13:37.940 What a set.
00:13:38.680 We'll be right back.
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00:15:16.360 We're back.
00:15:17.680 We're talking with Lee Smith about two characters that I want to talk about just real briefly before we get to the really important stuff, as it were.
00:15:26.660 Mike Gallagher, the head of the CCP committee, select committee.
00:15:32.260 He turned out to be a two-bit lowlife with his own, I guess, ethics that are incomprehensible to, I think, anyone else, just about.
00:15:46.280 And Mike Turner, who is nothing but a two-bit hack, servicing the military-industrial complex and those intel chiefs that apparently have something on him.
00:15:58.960 Either that or they've got a threat that is working against him. 0.98
00:16:04.420 I mean, these two are, to me, just absolute, I'll use the word, cretins. 1.00
00:16:09.900 They are disgusting. 0.99
00:16:11.940 They are sold out in every way you could be, it seems to me. 0.96
00:16:16.180 Well, let me start with Representative Turner, whom I met while I was reporting the book on Devin Nunes.
00:16:27.560 And one of the things that happened, and this is what I really mean to do here, is highlight how important it was what Devin Nunes did.
00:16:36.160 Because these committees, the intelligence committees, both in the Senate and in the House, right, I mean, they send the intelligence services, the CIA, the FBI, DNI, they send a whole bunch of people and basically they recruit House members, right?
00:16:53.260 So a lot of people talk about how, and that wouldn't surprise me, I'm sure that this is right, that there are all sorts of portfolios on House members collected by everyone from FBI to DHS.
00:17:05.340 That wouldn't surprise me at all.
00:17:07.520 I think the most significant fact, however, again, is that these committees are absolutely infiltrated by American spies.
00:17:16.720 And so they're pushing it in the direction that they want it.
00:17:19.720 And lots of these people who are in these committees and lots of the people who are running these committees don't want any friction at all, right?
00:17:26.700 They don't want friction with the intelligence services.
00:17:29.280 They don't want friction with the White House.
00:17:32.400 And let's face it, until Devin, before Devin Nunes ran that committee, there was no one who was really concerned on the Hill, certainly no Republicans, who were concerned.
00:17:43.000 Well, I guess we could say Rand Paul, but who were concerned with the sorts of things that the FBI was up to.
00:17:48.360 So the idea that Chairman Johnson, or rather Chairman Turner, that he pushed for the reauthorization of FISA while disgusting, should not come as that much of a surprise.
00:18:04.900 Unfortunately, a lot of people on the Hill, especially on those committees, are not looking out for the interest of Americans.
00:18:13.200 They're not concerned about our civil liberties.
00:18:15.440 And look, if we have people who were lukewarm supporters, if supporters at all, of Donald Trump, they don't care what happened to Trump.
00:18:23.640 They don't care what happened to Trump aides.
00:18:25.680 And they don't even care what's happened to Trump supporters.
00:18:27.880 Well, let's be honest.
00:18:29.560 It's not that they don't care.
00:18:32.160 It's that they have his guts.
00:18:34.140 And they are scared to death of what he represents because the American people then, when he walks into the Oval Office, the will of the governed, the consent of the governed becomes important once again.
00:18:49.740 And this is now suddenly where a constitutional republic, without his leadership, we don't want to contemplate what this country will be at that moment in history.
00:18:59.620 It will be a tragedy of unimaginable proportions.
00:19:06.200 And you said no one should be surprised.
00:19:08.940 But I have to say to you, I don't think anybody is ever surprised by the venality, the viciousness, the self-dealing of the swap, either party.
00:19:24.660 So I see this more as a moment in which it's not about surprise.
00:19:28.800 It's not about the really expectations.
00:19:32.920 We know what we have in front of us.
00:19:34.780 An entire party is aligned against not just Donald Trump, by the way.
00:19:39.280 There are never Trumpers.
00:19:40.560 There are also some never Americas.
00:19:42.640 And there are some never Constitutionalists.
00:19:45.720 These people are the enemy.
00:19:48.380 We have fifth columns, I think, for the first time, certainly in my lifetime.
00:19:54.240 We have fifth columns working that are robust.
00:19:58.940 They are active, subverting the government of the United States, our political system.
00:20:04.220 And people don't want to even whisper China, the PRC, CCP, Russia, Iran, Hamas, all of the terrorist groups from around the world.
00:20:18.140 Everyone is sort of gathering at this wonderful sort of, I guess, beachhead, 2,000 miles across that Mexican border.
00:20:30.280 But now it's the Mexican drug cartel border brought to you by Joe Biden.
00:20:34.340 I mean, this is hardly a time for anyone to be surprised because we are we have thrown our gates wide open and said to every barbarian, come on in. 1.00
00:20:46.260 Courtesy, Joe Biden.
00:20:47.720 They've they've reopened.
00:20:51.780 Look, I mean, this this Lou, I think very often and I'm not just I'm not just flattering you, but I think very often about our conversations here.
00:21:00.660 And one of the conversations that really that really struck me was you you got a little frustrated with me at one point when I was talking about our God given rights.
00:21:09.120 You said God given rights.
00:21:10.180 I'm tired of hearing about that.
00:21:11.380 Americans have to fight for these rights.
00:21:13.380 And so first, when you were saying that without a Donald Trump victory, we'll be in a very dark place.
00:21:19.720 I agree with it.
00:21:21.160 But again, Americans will have to fight whether or not Donald Trump is elected president.
00:21:28.540 And when we're talking about our our borders being open again, this puts Americans what they've done is they've brought us back to the frontier.
00:21:37.960 Right. This was a country settled by very hard men and women.
00:21:42.120 And so they they've brought us back to the frontier.
00:21:44.900 And again, it will be up to Americans to to defend themselves, to defend their families, to defend their communities.
00:21:52.900 It's a terrible thing that they've done.
00:21:55.040 But again, it's it's in our history.
00:21:57.940 It's it's it's in our blood.
00:21:59.740 So I'm just saying I don't I don't I don't despair and I don't think that Americans should be despairing right now.
00:22:07.960 As for what you were saying about as what we were talking about with Representative Turner Wright, it's a revelatory moment.
00:22:14.740 We see we see what's happening.
00:22:16.740 We see what they're doing.
00:22:17.540 What shocks me about all of this is you figure even if these people didn't care, our elected officials didn't care about representing their constituents, whether these are congressional districts or whether these are the states represented by senators or whether it's the whether it's the president of the United States, even though they even if they didn't care about their constituents, you would think they would have a little personal honor.
00:22:41.160 Right. So when the Biden administration says this decides to leave the border open and endanger American citizens, you would think that people on our side, people elected elected by Republicans would say, how dare you?
00:22:57.680 How dare you? Right. On my watch, you're going to try to open up the border.
00:23:03.840 I'm going to fight you tooth and nail.
00:23:06.200 And look, I would have liked an impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas, but I think there could have been much harder measures put in place.
00:23:13.260 I mean, not measures put in place, but much harder language coming from the Hill.
00:23:19.040 You're betraying this country.
00:23:20.860 I know that if we start issuing criminal referrals to Joe Biden's DOJ, nothing is going to be nothing is going to happen.
00:23:27.220 But we're putting you on alert right now.
00:23:29.420 You've betrayed this country and you're in big trouble next time we get a Republican attorney general, because you will be referred then and you will be paying a serious penalty for what you've done to it for what you've done.
00:23:41.160 Again, take it personally for what you've done to me on my watch.
00:23:45.460 You have shamed me.
00:23:46.520 You have dishonored me.
00:23:48.020 That's what surprises me, that none of these guys have any personal honor at all.
00:23:53.320 Think about this.
00:23:54.920 Four border states, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.
00:24:01.040 Only one governor with the guts to put his Department of Public Safety, state troopers, the state military, the National Guard.
00:24:11.160 On the border, just stop it.
00:24:13.780 And Greg Abbott knows he can't stop it, but he can, by golly, slow it down.
00:24:21.460 And I give him all the credit in the world. 0.86
00:24:25.420 And I wonder why this country is tolerating those other three governors and their pathetic attitude as this country is being invaded across their borders with Mexico. 0.94
00:24:35.960 We're talking with Lee Smith. 0.97
00:24:37.200 We're going to come right back.
00:24:38.680 And I'd like to go back to Mike Gallagher and Mike Turner. 0.85
00:24:43.100 But, you know, I've had about all my stomach can take when I think of those two treasonous son of a guns.
00:24:51.900 We'll be right back.
00:24:52.960 Stay with us.
00:24:53.540 We're talking with Lee Smith.
00:24:54.300 Lou Dobbs here.
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00:25:26.840 We're back now.
00:25:33.360 We're talking with Lee Smith and it's a grand talk.
00:25:36.300 I hope it is.
00:25:36.760 And we thank you for that, Lee.
00:25:38.080 I want to turn to these issues that, you know, the CCP committee seemingly toyed with, but nothing really happened, as is often the case on the Hill.
00:25:51.400 Well, your thoughts about how is it after what was it's five years since President Trump said he was getting rid of tick tock.
00:26:01.460 And here they are.
00:26:03.240 And the discussion goes on, but they're still here doing their job, gathering data on everyone from children to whoever else wants to be involved and sending it back to the CCP.
00:26:19.120 All right.
00:26:19.240 Your thoughts?
00:26:19.600 Well, and also, I mean, I think even more importantly, it's the as people have explained to me, I'm hardly an AI expert.
00:26:26.120 As people have explained to me, the AI component shapes different.
00:26:30.500 I guess the fancy word is narratives, shapes different narratives.
00:26:34.040 And that really poisons the American public sphere.
00:26:36.860 So when we talk about social media and when people talk about First Amendment, it's it's useful to see tick tock rather as a propaganda instrument of the Chinese Communist Party. 0.82
00:26:51.340 It also so happens, however, that tick tock is a very important Democratic Party platform messaging platform.
00:26:58.600 Right.
00:26:58.740 That's one of the reasons why the Biden administration has used so many tick tock influencers.
00:27:04.380 So I think it's in that context that we need to understand this tick tock bill that's caused so much controversy.
00:27:12.020 I think that the main purpose here is not to ban tick tock and not to give Biden control over big tech, because, as we know, the Democrats already control big tech.
00:27:27.000 So the idea that they're going to get more control over big tech is kind of absurd.
00:27:30.960 Now, I think the purpose of the tick tock bill is to be able to clear it, move it away from the CCP, get it in different hands so that political donors, the donor class that has invested in tick tock, tick tock's parent company, ByteDance.
00:27:51.220 There are billions and billions of dollars invested in ByteDance.
00:27:57.140 I think the reason for the tick tock bill is to be able to give Joe Biden the ability to get his donors paid.
00:28:05.720 That's what it is.
00:28:07.020 Right.
00:28:07.400 It's it's it's it's it's not to shut down free speech.
00:28:11.180 I I happen to think that tick tock has a broader canvas than that.
00:28:17.140 They are at once gathering data on American citizens.
00:28:20.920 They are influencing certainly children.
00:28:25.040 And as you say, the Democratic Party has another I guess it wouldn't be unfair to call it another Facebook.
00:28:32.200 They're using and Meta.
00:28:34.940 They are using, you know, everything available to them.
00:28:38.360 Did I mention Google?
00:28:39.260 We have a Silicon Valley filled with Democrat donors and they're pouring money in at this very moment.
00:28:48.840 They've influenced this will be their third go around for a presidential election.
00:28:53.680 They will be trying to influence the outcome.
00:28:57.600 And it's very important that tick tock to me.
00:29:01.900 I want to shut down.
00:29:03.180 I don't want Steve Mnuchin or whoever wants it to buy it.
00:29:06.580 I want to shut down because it is a frankly, there's just too there's just too much evil that has been.
00:29:14.240 Oh, I agree.
00:29:15.840 I totally agree.
00:29:16.940 I want it shut down.
00:29:18.620 All I'm saying is the purpose of this bill is not to shut it down.
00:29:21.700 It's to get donors paid.
00:29:23.300 As far as shutting down a CCP propaganda instrument.
00:29:27.420 Agree 100 percent, Lou.
00:29:28.920 And not just a Democratic Party propaganda instrument, but also a platform for Democratic parties to transfer more wealth out of the United States to Beijing.
00:29:40.760 Again, another reason to see that thing shut down. 0.88
00:29:43.520 And also because it's a peddler of licentious video and an assault on not only the senses, but the character of our young people. 0.88
00:29:58.620 It's disgusting.
00:30:00.440 By the way, so much of media.
00:30:02.180 I'm not going to say that that's the only channel where we have to worry about that.
00:30:07.260 Who wrote that bill?
00:30:09.080 Who was prominent in that legislation on TikTok?
00:30:12.540 Well, I mean, Representative, Representative Gallagher was part of that and he was working on that with Biden's, I believe, Biden's Deputy Attorney General, Lisa Monica, who, of course, has been involved in so many destructive, destructive campaigns against against Donald Trump and Donald Trump supporters and and and the country as a whole.
00:30:36.200 Right.
00:30:36.820 I will.
00:30:37.140 I will.
00:30:37.660 I will.
00:30:38.580 Sure.
00:30:39.160 Go ahead.
00:30:39.400 Well, I agree with you about I agree with you about social media.
00:30:44.700 Generally, I will say I last week there was a party at Mar-a-Lago for Truth Social, which is, you know, which is what was started by Donald Trump.
00:30:55.240 And now the CEO is Devin Nunez.
00:30:58.040 I didn't get invited.
00:31:00.100 I wasn't invited.
00:31:01.740 I didn't know.
00:31:02.640 Now they're going to know.
00:31:03.780 Now they're going to get what for.
00:31:05.040 I'll tell them.
00:31:06.780 All right.
00:31:07.540 Thanks, Luke.
00:31:09.900 And and so, you know, I really think I'm writing on Truth Social.
00:31:16.540 This is one of the things that I'm writing about.
00:31:18.100 And I'm writing about some of the communications wars that we've seen here over the last decade.
00:31:22.500 But I'll say Truth Social really is really is very interesting.
00:31:25.600 It's not just a it's not just a Twitter knockoff or something for the right.
00:31:29.620 I mean, you know, there's some bad actors on Truth Social, but it's also it's also very moving.
00:31:35.620 And I believe that Truth Social and Donald Trump has been has been putting this on Truth Social.
00:31:40.160 But I really believe that it is a pro-America, a pro-America social media platform.
00:31:45.920 It's not just about politics.
00:31:47.460 It's a it's a terrific place.
00:31:49.920 And and I know I think that you and I wanted to talk about about Devin Nunez, who's now the CEO of Truth Social.
00:31:57.140 Listen to Lee Smith.
00:31:58.260 He's producing that. All right.
00:31:59.820 He's he thought the old guy probably won't remember.
00:32:03.820 No, no, I just thought, yeah, let's move right into it.
00:32:08.680 Because I said he was my first choice from the first moment that that President Trump started talking about the vice president.
00:32:17.920 He just he's a natural to me.
00:32:20.140 He's he's principled.
00:32:23.040 He is talented.
00:32:24.800 He's bright.
00:32:25.820 He's experienced.
00:32:27.180 And by the way, he is America first and Donald Trump all the way.
00:32:33.300 Well, there's something else, too.
00:32:35.080 I agree with all of those.
00:32:36.240 And, you know, ever since I wrote Plot Against the President and it's it's really about, you know,
00:32:41.740 Devin Nunez investigation, exposing, uncovering the biggest political scandal in U.S.
00:32:47.220 history.
00:32:47.580 And so I know, you know, I know him pretty well now.
00:32:52.260 And the other the other thing about him is, is that he likes to fight.
00:32:57.200 And by which, I mean, I've said that I said, like, yeah, you like to fight.
00:32:59.960 It's like, I don't like to fight.
00:33:01.420 I said, I don't mean that you like to go and punch, punch.
00:33:04.900 Right.
00:33:05.440 I said, I don't mean that you like to go and not wanting to fight.
00:33:07.800 Yeah, exactly.
00:33:10.340 Why are you arguing with me?
00:33:11.860 I'm complimenting you.
00:33:12.920 See, you're fighting.
00:33:14.420 But I mean, look what these guys have gone through with Truth Social.
00:33:17.480 It's I mean, everyone dug in against them.
00:33:20.240 The Biden's SEC, DOJ.
00:33:23.600 All these people were going after them.
00:33:25.240 But again, they managed the merger.
00:33:27.600 It's one of the most complicated and difficult IPOs of all time.
00:33:32.500 So as with Russiagate and as with other things, Devin Nunes is a fighter.
00:33:37.980 We see Donald Trump and Donald Trump is just I mean, he's he's a marvel.
00:33:42.100 He's a specimen.
00:33:43.500 Right.
00:33:43.840 Fight.
00:33:44.280 You know, he's he's in the arena.
00:33:46.760 Right.
00:33:47.300 He's in the arena.
00:33:48.480 People talk about being in the arena.
00:33:50.080 That guy never leaves the arena.
00:33:51.960 Right.
00:33:52.480 So he'll make an arena if he doesn't have it.
00:33:55.000 Exactly.
00:33:56.160 He's a walking arena.
00:33:57.600 Yeah.
00:33:58.180 Yeah.
00:33:58.560 If you could give us your concluding thoughts as we wrap up here on Devin Nunes, because
00:34:06.820 I think you're right.
00:34:08.100 I think he would be magnificent.
00:34:10.560 Well, I heard people talking about it.
00:34:12.060 I've heard different, you know, people on social media talking about it.
00:34:15.000 And I'm interested that that was your first choice.
00:34:17.380 But yeah, I think so, too.
00:34:19.300 I mean, he he knows Washington.
00:34:21.120 He knows he knows all the different fora from which Donald Trump is being attacked.
00:34:28.340 And as I said, one of the most important things is Donald Trump has to have people at
00:34:33.980 his back who don't just know things, but who will fight alongside Donald Trump.
00:34:41.020 And that's look, there are lots of others, too.
00:34:43.760 There's Kash Patel.
00:34:44.800 There's Richard Grinnell.
00:34:46.080 There's a whole bunch of people who know how to fight, how to fight for America against
00:34:52.440 the deep state.
00:34:53.400 But Devin Nunes, I mean, that guy's at the top of the list.
00:34:56.420 So, yeah, I certainly see.
00:34:58.640 I hadn't thought about it.
00:35:01.880 I hadn't thought about it.
00:35:03.160 But then I started seeing it again on social media.
00:35:05.160 I'm like, yeah, actually, that'd be really great.
00:35:06.800 They have Devin Nunes, who's Donald Trump's VP.
00:35:09.560 Let me ask a question.
00:35:11.060 Was Devin a subject of conversation at that Mar-a-Lago gala that I wasn't invited to?
00:35:21.760 I'm just kidding.
00:35:22.900 Anyway, I'm just delighted always to talk with you.
00:35:25.760 And thanks for being here.
00:35:26.820 We covered a lot of ground, and I just appreciate your intellect, your insight.
00:35:34.300 And God bless you, my friend.
00:35:36.580 Thank you so much, Lou.
00:35:37.600 God bless you, too.
00:35:39.120 Lee Smith, a great American, great journalist, remarkable fellow.
00:35:44.560 We appreciate you being with us here today.
00:35:47.100 Thanks so much.
00:35:48.120 And please join us tomorrow, same time or a different time.
00:35:53.580 We're easy to get along with.
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00:35:58.720 God bless you and take care.
00:36:00.860 God bless you and take care.
00:36:05.980 Thank you.
00:36:06.280 Look out.
00:36:06.560 I'll see you then.
00:36:06.960 Thanks for listening.
00:36:07.280 Bye-bye.