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The Great America Show with Lou Dobbs. President Joe Biden's trip to Europe continues, with stops in London, Vilnius, and Tallinn, Estonia, and the Baltics, and a trip to Capitol Hill to testify before the House Judiciary Committee.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and as you might expect, this is The Great America Show.
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Delighted to have you with us. A lot happening. President Biden this week embarking on his trip
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to Europe. His first stop Sunday was in London, where he was met by a gracious King Charles,
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particularly after Biden had blown him off and chose not to attend his coronation.
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Biden on the grounds of Buckingham Palace often seemed embarrassingly sidetracked,
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off track, dazed, confused, and a wee bit intimidated by those beefeater royal guards
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clad in their red coats and bearskin hats. From London, Biden headed to the Baltics,
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arrived in Lithuania yesterday for the start of the NATO summit, where he is almost guaranteed to
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be a sad sack again, lost in the goings-on in Vilnius, and I wonder if he knows just how close
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he is to the Russian border. And in Vilnius, he's meeting there with the leaders of Australia,
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New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, the European Union, and Finland. The topic of discussion,
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Russia's 500-plus-day war against Ukraine, Russia's increasing aggression toward the West,
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and how Biden and his cabinet have only helped fuel the fire, including Biden's dispatch of a new
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$800 million military aid package that includes cluster bombs for Ukraine. Also on the agenda,
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the possibility of Ukraine's membership in NATO, which Biden has, of course, flip-flopped on many
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times, but most recently told CNN he doesn't support their membership until the war is over.
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That is, he seems, intent on prolonging that war.
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I don't think it's ready for membership in NATO, but here's the deal. I spent, as you know,
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a great deal of time trying to hold NATO together, because I believe Putin has had an overwhelming
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objective from the time he launched 185,000 troops into Ukraine, and that was to break NATO. He was
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confident, in my view, and many of the intelligence community, he was confident he could break NATO.
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So holding NATO together is really critical. I don't think there is unanimity in NATO about
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whether or not to bring Ukraine into the NATO family now, at this moment, in the middle of a
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war. For example, if you did that, then, you know, we, I, and I mean what I say, we're determined to
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commit every inch of territory that is NATO territory. It's a commitment that we've all
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made no matter what. If the war is going on, then we're all in a war. You know, we're in war with
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Russia, if that were the case. So I think we have to lay out a path for the rational path
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for Russia, for, excuse me, for Ukraine to be able to qualify to get into NATO.
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And if you watched MSNBC yesterday morning, I would ask first, why would you do that? But there,
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you would have found a band of cheerleaders for the Biden regime, carrying on about how wonderful
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his foreign policy, the economy, his diplomacy, Marxist-Dem commentator Chris Matthews regaling
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viewers with his deep insight, even going so far as to say President Biden's leadership is, quote,
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brilliant at a level of FDR or Eisenhower, end quote.
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We're doing a great job in world leadership, probably at the level of FDR or Eisenhower. We're
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holding the world together. We're building NATO as it was built to be when it was first formed to
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stop Russia, to stop Russia's advancement into Western Europe. And look where we've stopped them
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at the Ukraine and Ukraine. That's where we stopped them. And in the Balkans, it's extraordinary
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what Blinken has done and Jake Sullivan have done and what the president has done all together.
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They're doing a great job. But here at home, and you talked about that earlier this morning,
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this distinction where people cannot say what you said in your article for the Atlantic,
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they can't breathe it. They can't believe it, which is everything is doing pretty well. We have
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inflation. It's continued, but it's going down. Everything is doing. It's going swimmingly.
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The Marxist-Dem mainstream media is hard at it, working to do all they can to cocoon the impaired
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puppet president and his minions. Turning now to Capitol Hill, where FBI Director Christopher Wray
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is set to testify before the House Judiciary Committee tomorrow morning. Wray's testimony comes as
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calls for him to resign are intensifying. Director Wray has been complicit in cover-up after cover-up
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at the highest levels of government, including the illegal raid on a former president's home,
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the protection of a corrupt sitting president and his son, and the FBI's targeting of concerned parents
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at school board meetings. Chairing the Judiciary Committee is the man who is leading the House
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Investigations of Biden Regime Corruption and the Weaponization of Government Against the American
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People. He is Congressman Jim Jordan. Chairman Jordan joins us now. Congressman Jordan, good of you to be
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with us here today. Let's start with your thoughts on how helpful Christopher Wray will be, who's been at
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the very least uncooperative and often outright obstructive? Yeah, well, a couple things. One, I really
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think this year in Congress, Republicans' focus should be to limit how taxpayer dollars are spent
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in these various agencies to protect American people from what we believe has been the weaponization of
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the federal government against we the people. So it'll be making the case for why we need to do that in the appropriations
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process. And then furthermore, FISA, the 702 program is up to reauthorization. So we, I think we will
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highlight all those things that have, that have happened at the Justice Department that show a double
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standard, that show that we don't have an equal treatment under the law like we're supposed to have
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in this country, and why that reinforces our position that we should not reauthorize FISA in its current
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form. Because when you think about it, Lou, they, they, the Justice Department, the FBI have, have called
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Parents Terrorists, set up a snitch line to report parents. The FBI investigated 25 moms and dads
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across this country. We know that because of whistleblowers who come forward. Then it was the
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memorandum at the Richmond Field Office, the FBI Richmond Field Office, where they said, if you're a
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pro-life Catholic, you're a radical, you're an extremist. Then it was retaliation against the
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whistleblowers who came forward and told us about these things. And then, of course, finally, we had what we
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got just a week ago, six days ago, in the, in the decision from Judge Doty in the Western District
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of Louisiana, where he talked about the censorship that the FBI and the rest of the government has
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been involved in, in limiting Americans' First Amendment free speech rights. And so I think we'll
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highlight all that, not to mention this latest thing with, with the whistleblower, Gary Shapley, and
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the Biden family business operation. Well, I'm sure we'll get into that as well.
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It is, it is a, an extraordinary agenda. The hearing, you will focus first on, on what? You
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have a huge number of critical issues there. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think, you know, you get an
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opening statement. So the opening statement, I'll probably outline a lot of what I just talked
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about there, just the past abuses. And I frankly, Luke, all those past things I just listed there,
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I haven't even gotten into what they've done to President Trump. What they did in 2016, when they
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spy on his campaign, the Mueller investigation, the impeachment baloney, then, then, then it was,
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then it was the rate of his home in Mar-a-Lago. Now, of course, what's been happening with the
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classified documents issue. I haven't even got into all that. So I think we'll lay out all the
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things that, that, that we've seen from them and then just underscore, there is no way we are going
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to reauthorize, FISA is up for reauthorization by the end of this calendar year. So it's, you know,
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there's become more and more of a focus on that. We're just not going to do it. We, there has to be
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major changes to that before we'll ever think about letting that law be reauthorized.
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And we are really uncertain. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say this, a lot of us are
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very uncertain that even if you disallowed the section 702, that they would follow the law because
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they have, John Durham, the special counsel has, has pointed out time and time again, where, as he put
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it, no fidelity to the law, which is the same thing as being an outlaw. And I, I don't know that
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they won't cooperate with you on oversight. Why would we expect them to also follow the law,
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No, I know it's, it's, it's scary. And frankly, until you have some, some accountability
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from a justice department, from an attorney general, who's going to hold people accountable
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and not just, you know, kind of, kind of move, move along to the next thing. I don't know that
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we get that, but all we can do in the, in the legislative branch is point out the problems,
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do our oversight, propose legislation to remedy those problems. And we're working on something
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to have people who, people in the government who are engaged in, in censoring Americans,
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First Amendment free speech rights, there should be real consequences. So Senator Paul and our
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officer looking at legislation that would, that would have criminal penalties for people who
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engage in that kind of censorship and restrict Americans, First Amendment liberties. But that's
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all we can do from, from our, and then of course, use the power of the purse. And, and that's what
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we're, we're going to, we're going to be talking about things that we think should happen in the
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appropriations process that limit how your dollars can be spent, that hold people accountable if they
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spend that money in the wrong way and use it to censor Americans in any way. Those are the kind of
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things we have to get in law and we have to stand firm on as we go through the appropriations process
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here over the next few months. And referring to Judge Dowdy, as you did at the outset, that order
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to prevent the, the executive branch from interfering with First Amendment rights and specifically social
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media. That is an out, I mean, that's just a historic order by that judge. Yes. And it goes to what you're
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doing, trying to bring, to heal these executive departments, particularly the FBI, the Department of Justice
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and others. What is, what is your path forward there? Well, you know, the one thing I thought about that, that
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it was so strong. I mean, there was like 80 some pages, Lou, where he just listed the facts, the facts
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from what the White House did to oppress and limit and suppress American speech. And then it was the
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FBI, and then it was the State Department, then it was the GEC, then it was this organization, the CISA
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organization, and NIAID, Fauci's group. On and on it went agency after agency after agency. So in many ways,
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it confirmed what we've been doing in the Judiciary Committee relative to exposing the weaponization
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of the federal government against the American people. This judge laid out those same facts we've
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discovered, and then he gave his preliminary, you know, injunction, where he said, like, you got to
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stop this now, and I think the plaintiffs are going to prevail in court. He even used the term, he says,
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the government functioned as an Orwellian ministry of truth in opposing and limiting and suppressing
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Americans' free speech rights. I mean, that is chilling what the judge said, but it was a strong
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opinion. And I think it holds up when they get to the next stage of this suit, because again,
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the facts were just so overwhelming on the plaintiff's side.
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We're talking with Chairman Jim Jordan, chairman of the Judiciary Committee and one of the leaders
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in fighting back against the attempted institutionalization against free speech by the
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Department of Homeland Security, by the Department of Justice, and other agencies. We'll continue this
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conversation. After these quick words, please stay with us.
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We're back now with Congressman Jim Jordan, chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
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Christopher Wray has basically, I think in the minds of some, has just simply told Congress to go to hell.
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You have talked about your limitations in Congress and what you can do. Is there not a way to bring him
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into line with the Constitution and his proper role as a director of the FBI, not a dictator who can
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Well, I think you continue to press. I mean, for example, this 1023 form that he just keeps dragging
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his feet on and won't let the full Congress see, more importantly, the American people see this
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from a confidential source they had, talking about this scheme that this source saw where the foreign
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nationals were paying the Bidens. And supposedly, according to this source, Joe Biden was going to do
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certain policy things in exchange for that money. So, you know, we should be able to get that form.
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We're going to continue to press on that. There are some who have called for real investigation into
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impeachment, kind of an impeachment inquiry there. We haven't moved down that road yet, although
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Speaker McCarthy has been clear when it comes to the Attorney General, Merrick Garland,
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that he is very open to an impeachment inquiry with the Attorney General. So we'll keep pressing.
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And part of pressing is when you have these, you know, these annual treks where the director of the
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FBI and then in September, it'll be the Attorney General come in front of our committee and you get
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to ask him the tough questions and you get to press him so that the American people can see, hopefully in
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a clear way, really what's going on at our nation's Justice Department. And Lou, remember,
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there was a survey last fall, four out of five Americans think there's a two-tiered system of
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justice in our country. They think that because there is. And that's what Merrick Garland and Chris
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Ray need to understand. When you've lost the confidence of almost 80 percent of the people,
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there's a real problem there. So we'll press him on all those things.
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As I think about all of the items that you've listed to take up with Christopher Ray,
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I wonder about the investigatory resources that you have. I don't know. How many attorneys and how
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many investigators do you have? How many of you added in the 118th Congress?
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Well, just on our committee, we got like 70-some staff that work for the committee. A bunch of those
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that are lawyers, good, young, sharp lawyers who are willing to work around the clock. I mean,
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I've been talking with a number of them over this past weekend who are doing research for us on key
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questions, key issues that we need to ask the director about. So, yeah, but they're working,
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you know, we do like a typical week. We're doing five or six transcribed interviews or, you know,
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what normal would you call deposition to Congress? We typically call them transcribed interviews,
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but we're doing five or six of those every week. And we just keep plowing ahead
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on a number of these investigations that we're involved in.
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And against the Justice Department, because I really believe that's what this amounts to.
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This is a conflict between the Congress and the Department of Justice. They have thousands of
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attorneys. We know that the hundreds upon hundreds of them were unleashed just against the J6
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political prisoners. They have no shortage of manpower. Do you have a shortage? Do you have
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adequate resources right now? Because this thing is going in every which direction now?
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Yeah, no, it's a good point. We do. I mean, to the speaker's credit, we asked for several additional,
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several million additional dollars to do these investigations. You know, you and I are fiscal
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conservative. You don't like to spend money. But when it comes to protecting Americans' liberty
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and stopping the weaponization of federal agencies against we the people, you need the resources to
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hire the good staff to do the work to show the American people what's going on so that you have
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the evidence you need to then propose legislation and propose changes in the appropriations process
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to use the power of the purse to limit this stuff. So you need staff to do that and you need
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resources to hire that staff to do that. So we do feel like we have plenty and we're we're using it
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as as just as best we can to get to the get to the bottom of everything. For example, the the whistleblower
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who has been found and it turns out now it has been questioned by U.S. law enforcement officers
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in Cyprus. Give us a sense of did your investigators manage to find him as well?
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No, we we we we focus primarily on we've dealt with whistleblowers who've come to our office via
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the Justice Department, people like Garrett O'Boyle. They did the Garrett O'Boyle who come and talked
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to us about a number of issues, Lou. I mean, they took his clearance, took his pay, took his kids clothes
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when they moved him across the country. The day he gets across the country, they say, oh, we're yanking
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your clearance. We're not going to give you access to all your your your belongings that they that they
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shipped to. They select him for a new job. So we've mostly dealt with the folks who've come to us.
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And then, of course, Mr. Shapley, the person with the IRS, he he's worked with the Ways and Means
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Committee. But we've been involved with that as well, particularly some of our top lawyers working
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on that issue to deal with with with his the information he brought to us. And of course,
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he's been retaliated against. They've kicked him. The Justice Department's kicked him off the
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investigation. So that's one of the other concerns we really have is when whistleblowers come forward
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to give Congress and more importantly, the American people critical information, they're not supposed
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to be messed with. They're not supposed to be retaliated against. And yet that seems to me exactly
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what's been happening to these to these brave whistleblowers. Let me ask you this, then, because
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it seems that the issue here is at what point is impeachment proceedings set up against
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Merrick Garland. There's retaliation against whistleblowers. They're obstructing your investigation
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as the is the head of the Judiciary Committee, the most powerful committee on these issues
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in our government. And they obstruct. And at the same time, what will it take to trigger an impeachment
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for crying out loud, if I can put it that way? Yeah, as I said, yeah, no, as I said, the speaker has
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been been clear on this. He's he's willing to to to go down that path if we need to. And I would also
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add to the list. It looks like the attorney general may not have been square with the American people
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when he testified and said David Weiss, the U.S. attorney in Delaware, has complete authority to
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do what he wants. Well, according to the whistleblower, who I think is extremely credible, Mr. Shapley,
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14 year veteran, handled some of the biggest tax cases, international tax cases of the age he's ever
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had. He said, David Weiss said he was denied special counsel status, which limited his ability
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to bring charges in the Central District of California and in Washington, D.C. So somebody's
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not being square. Is it is it the whistleblower? Is it Merrick Garland? Well, it sure doesn't seem
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like it's the whistleblower. He seems as credible as they come. So that's another reason why I think
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the speaker has been very clear. Two weeks ago, he said we may need to move into an inquiry
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about impeaching Merrick Garland. And if we do, we'll we'll we'll go full steam ahead.
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But that's to my point, Congressman, if if this impeachment inquiry hasn't been triggered
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by lying to Congress, by lying to the public, by at the same time abuses of power, obstructing Congress
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and retaliating against whistleblowers. What is that straw that will trigger an impeachment
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inquiry? My goodness. I mean, that no fair question. This is a this is a Department of
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Justice that is filled with outlaws. No, a fair question. It's it's why we sent a letter with
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with Chairman Comer and Chairman Smith wanting to talk to 13 different people involved in this
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investigation from David Weiss to the assistant U.S. attorney Leslie Wolf, other assistant U.S.
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attorneys, people, the FBI, people in the tax division at DOJ and the IRS. We want to talk to
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these folks. And and there's a process you go through. And we are committed to going through
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that process and taking nothing off the table, including what you just described. But we feel
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like we need to do this in a fair way, but in a in a in a aggressive way, unlike what the Democrats
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did, where they were completely unfair to President Trump and their impeachment proceedings in a couple
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of Congresses ago, we're going to do it the right way, but we're going to do it aggressively and we're
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not going to take anything off the table. And that's why we've sent that letter. And we're going to look
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to talk to all these individuals. We're talking with Congressman Jim Jordan, who chairs the
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Judiciary Committee and the subcommittee on weaponization of our government, or at least it
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used to be our government. We continue in one minute. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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We're back now talking with Chairman Jim Jordan about his hearing. It'll be Wednesday. And with
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Christopher Wray, the director of the FBI, a lot of questions he has to ask, a lot of ground to
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cover. I want to I want to bring up, if I may, ESG and your your inquiries into some of the most
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powerful. Well, not some of the most, the most powerful firms on Wall Street and what they are
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doing, weaponizing something called ESG, environmental social governance. It is in the minds of many a
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complete fraud and one, though, that BlackRock, for example, is using to drive business as according to
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Larry Fink, as CEO, as never before. What do you what do you intend?
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So it's a great point. It's supposed to be the policymakers, supposed to be the people who go
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go put their name on a ballot, get elected, who make the policy in the country, not not,
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you know, Wall Street, not not banks, not financial institutions with with their policy woke agenda.
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That's not how it's. But in fact, they're supposed to be focused on their fiduciary responsibility,
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their fiduciary duty to maximize profits for their for their shareholders. That's why that's our
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concern, because, you know, legally, it's your fiduciary duty. And when you're doing this, and
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you're against, for example, oil, gas and coal, you're there's there's harm to those companies
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you're causing, there's harm to the to the shareholders of the stocks of those companies.
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But more importantly, there's harm to the American economy and American families who are paying more
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for energy. And as a result, more for everything else. So this is huge, what's going on. But it's
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all part of the left. And the left, you know, it seems like the left controls everything.
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Left controls big tech, left controls big media, big government, big corporations, big sports,
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you know, it seems like it controls Hollywood, the higher education. And so we're just trying to
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say, look, there's a fiduciary responsibility here. You may control all these things left, but you
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don't control we the people. We the people still speak at election time. And they're through their
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elected representatives. We're going to try to find out what the heck's going on here and put a stop
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to it if we can. The the effort to do that, I think it's really important, if I may say, for this
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reason, Wall Street controls much and dominates policy and through lobbying. But this is a new approach
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on the part of Fink and BlackRock and the major firms, as you well know, but for the audience
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explanation to the audience. This is an effort through not for profits, NGOs as well, to drive
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policy and supplant the power of the federal government. And by golly, for three years, they've
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gotten away with it, haven't they? Yeah. And it's this trend where government
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cozies up to to business, maybe winks at them and then business does what government wants
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without the direct maybe the direct, you know, changing the law or directly coming from the
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from from the policymakers and from the government. I mean, it's frankly where we started the decision
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last week from Judge Doty. Government was so intertwined with big tech in pressuring
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them to censor speech. They said they said it was government doing the action. Well, this
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is kind of the same thing, even though because you got all the left talking about, oh, we got
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to have this woke agenda. We got to do this stuff. It's about the environment. It's about
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governance. It's about the social. It's all these things. And so you have the finance, the
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big the big money interest doing what government's been talking about without actually having a
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law passed to say that. So it's the same kind of dynamic. And we're saying, look, there's
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a fiduciary duty you have to the shareholders. You don't seem to be focused on that. You seem
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to be much more focused on left wing policy. You and I have spent enough time in Washington,
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me as an observer and you making policy and and and making law. I have to say, I have not heard
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as arrogant a statement as we heard this past weekend coming from the Secret Service saying
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that their investigation will conclude this week whether or not they have identified a suspect
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in the cocaine caper at the Biden White House. Can you help me out on that?
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No, you got I mean, you have to laugh, but I mean, you shouldn't because it's so serious. I mean,
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you got drugs in the in the White House. I mean, what is going on? So why won't the why won't
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the White House just answer the question? Was it the first family or not? Like, you should
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be able to know that much, for goodness sake. But they won't even answer that that question.
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It's like, what? I don't know. They said they didn't want to violate the Hatch Act.
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Yeah, I think they've used that excuse a couple of times, for goodness sake. It's crazy.
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I used to get it. I used to think that they were idiots. But you know what I think? I think they
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think we're idiots to say something like that. And they keep doing it. They keep getting away with
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it. And I know that James Comer, the head of oversight, is going to go for an investigation,
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I hope immediately, because this can't be America and have this kind of nonsense happening in our
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White House, in our government. Yeah. Yeah. You can't make it up. It just I don't I don't get it.
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But I mean, what has it been now, two and a half years of this administration? And I mean,
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everything I can't I literally can't think of one thing they've done right. You look at the border,
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you look at inflation, you look at crime, you look at energy policy. I mean, you look at foreign
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policy. There's not one thing they've done right. And now you add to it, drugs in the White House,
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we're going to say, what's going on? So it's why it's so important. There was a great, great video on
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Twitter this week, and it showed Joe Biden, you know, we shouldn't we're not making fun of it or
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anything, but Joe Biden on the beach just and then they showed President Trump walking into the
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to the UFC fight. And just what a contrast in energy and folk. I mean, just it was unbelievable
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to see. And I think the country is waking up to the fact that how good we had it under
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President Trump's leadership and how we don't have any leadership, frankly, right now
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from this administration. Well, to our words were never spoken. We always give our guests the last
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word, Mr. Chairman. So if you would, your concluding thoughts here today. And thanks for being with us.
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Well, the good news is there, you know, even though the mainstream press is left and they don't want
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to they don't want to cover the real news and they want to be biased to the to the left. We got good
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people like you out there getting the truth out there. So thanks for what you do. And we'll look
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forward to coming back on sometime real soon. Congressman Jordan, thanks so much. We appreciate
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it, Mr. Chairman. All best. Take care. You bet. Congressman Jim Jordan, a great American.
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Thanks for taking the time to be with us today. The chairman does great work for the nation and the
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