The Great America Show - PELOSI & SCHUMER TRYING TO FEDERALIZE ELECTIONS

00:00:00.320 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show, coming to you from the U.S. of A.

00:00:07.440 Welcome. Delighted to have you with us. There's security in numbers, so I'm doubly delighted that we're together today to take up the fight against the Marxist left.

00:00:17.100 They're battling to destroy this great nation and our guaranteed liberty and freedom for all our citizens, the American family, our Judeo-Christian culture, 0.92

00:00:26.220 our heritage, and history as the world's only constitutional republic, the only one that has succeeded over the almost 250 years of our existence.

00:00:36.980 But here we are today, in the midst of what the Marxist Dems would call insurrection.

00:00:43.160 That's what they insist on calling the January 6th demonstrators who trespassed on Capitol Hill. Insurrection.

00:00:50.700 The vast majority of the Trump supporters at the Capitol that day were peaceful, law-abiding, and even orderly.

00:00:58.620 A small fraction of them chose to act as a mob, and dozens of them are charged with serious felonies.

00:01:04.980 But because the Dems are exploiting, for their partisan purpose, those few hours that afternoon in and around the Capitol,

00:01:11.960 the Dem leadership has acted like the Marxist totalitarians that they are, denying bail, keeping Trump supporters in jail, in some cases for more than a year.

00:01:22.980 And think of that. Leftist Soros finance DAs across the country aren't even prosecuting serious felonies.

00:01:30.360 And now, for offenses that amount to nothing more than trespass and other misdemeanors,

00:01:36.280 the U.S. Justice Department is persecuting hundreds of our fellow citizens.

00:01:40.180 That's the same Justice Department that doesn't prosecute Antifa and Black Lives Matter activists

00:01:46.260 who attack citizens and property without fear of consequence.

00:01:50.780 And in fact, most don't face even arrest.

00:01:53.560 And the leftist prosecutors of the Justice Department aren't prosecuting the pro-abortion demonstrators

00:01:59.340 who are showing up at the homes of Republican Supreme Court justices now,

00:02:04.440 trying to intimidate them into changing their votes against Roe v. Wade.

00:02:09.040 So let's call those who would intimidate our Supreme Court what they are. 0.95

00:02:13.900 They're thugs.

00:02:15.040 They're the definition of insurrectionists acting to incite fear in the federal government. 0.81

00:02:20.640 The attacks of Trump supporters and President Trump are, to this point, unending and ugly.

00:02:26.100 And today we have with us a great defender of President Trump.

00:02:29.740 He's Congressman Matt Gaetz of Florida, who also hosts his own podcast, branded appropriately, Firebrand.

00:02:36.820 And Matt is all of that.

00:02:39.040 Welcome, Congressman.

00:02:40.160 Great to have you back on The Great America Show.

00:02:42.440 I'm glad to be here, Lou, though.

00:02:44.700 I do have to say I'm a bit surprised that I'm hearing my own leadership on recordings

00:02:50.180 saying that it might be a crime, that I was criticizing Liz Cheney for being anti-Donald Trump.

00:02:56.100 But other than that, I'm doing pretty good.

00:02:58.280 Well, you're doing great as far as I'm concerned,

00:03:00.120 because I think a man is known as well by his enemies as his friends.

00:03:04.320 And every dog's got his fleas, and you are just, you know, I mean, I cannot believe the way those two people were talking.

00:03:12.340 And I compliment you for calling them out for their outrageous, contradictory, and I think absolutely treacherous remarks

00:03:22.400 in a conversation of all people, Liz Cheney.

00:03:26.500 Right. 0.72

00:03:26.600 I mean, I was defending President Trump from a ridiculous impeachment.

00:03:31.020 They were defending Liz Cheney from what I consider to be fair criticism.

00:03:36.320 I didn't say that anyone should hurt Liz Cheney.

00:03:38.980 I didn't say that Liz Cheney was a bad person.

00:03:41.180 I said that she was anti-Trump.

00:03:43.340 I said that her views from that point going forward would more align with the Democrats than the Republicans I was speaking to.

00:03:51.380 But here's the thing, Lou.

00:03:52.840 Liz was in leadership at the time. 0.88

00:03:55.000 And what a lot of people in leadership think about most throughout their day is how to preserve their power and how to grow their power.

00:04:03.420 And so to them, and this is very instructive on their thinking, something was so potentially violent,

00:04:09.840 something was so potentially criminal about my suggestion that Liz Cheney would be more in line with the Democrats

00:04:16.000 and thus wouldn't be proper as a Republican leader, that, like, that was the grave threat.

00:04:21.460 You know, not the threat that the Democrats were going to distract the country, throw us into shambles, violate every norm and protocol we had.

00:04:30.880 They were worried about criticism from within.

00:04:33.520 And I think we need leadership that understands the fight we're in and that understands who the enemy is.

00:04:40.160 And the enemy isn't President Trump.

00:04:42.240 The enemy is on the other side of the aisle.

00:04:45.000 And they're serious.

00:04:46.380 I mean, they're out there right now doing everything they can to solidify power, I think, through stolen elections,

00:04:53.080 through changes to the election system, through illegal immigration,

00:04:56.600 where there's an erosion of voter ID so that we know that everyone who's voting is actually a citizen of our country

00:05:03.940 and that everyone voting intends to vote.

00:05:06.020 So I think this is all part of kind of a grand plan.

00:05:08.980 And the new overlay, the new kind of, I think, infrastructure that the Biden administration is trying to build to this corrupt regime

00:05:18.060 is this new ministry of truth, this new board to tell you and me what disinformation is or isn't.

00:05:24.380 And I just can't believe we're in a day where the government says it's their job to tell the people what is true and what is not.

00:05:31.720 I mean, this is the group of people that probably would have banned Galileo if they could.

00:05:36.480 Oh, they would.

00:05:37.580 Or perhaps, well, George Washington, because they were very concerned about the fact you were speaking out.

00:05:45.140 And at one point, McCarthy actually said with the leadership that Gates was, quote, putting people in jeopardy.

00:05:54.400 He was particularly concerned with comments the Florida Republican made that attacked Liz Cheney

00:06:00.140 in the aftermath of the January 6th riot.

00:06:04.300 It is, they read, and I'm talking about Steve Scalise, and I'm talking about Kevin McCarthy.

00:06:11.180 These two talked like, frankly, you know, freshman or sophomore high school girls talking about who had just joined the clique

00:06:20.760 or who was getting thrown out of it. 0.96

00:06:22.660 It was absolutely silly and gossipy and really melodramatic beyond belief.

00:06:31.680 I think we learn about a lot of people, how they respond when the going gets tough. 0.90

00:06:37.220 And my instinct in the wake of January 6th was to defend President Trump, to leap to his defense,

00:06:44.180 to showcase to the world the words he used about a peaceful and patriotic protest.

00:06:49.880 I thought that the truth would bring down the temperature in the country.

00:06:53.820 But in this circumstance, you know, the great threat was that anyone would try to dislodge Liz Cheney from leadership.

00:07:00.940 Because remember, Lou, if Liz Cheney can be dislodged from leadership, then being in line to the speakership might not just be a sure thing. 1.00

00:07:11.500 It might not be a coronation.

00:07:13.820 There might actually be other views and other viewpoints and other perspectives on how to lead the Republican team,

00:07:21.900 which is a really, really important job to do now.

00:07:24.520 And it will be an even more important job to do if we take the majority.

00:07:28.920 And the great irony, Lou, is that, I mean, it's probably Liz Cheney or a Liz Cheney acolyte or sympathizer

00:07:36.380 that was recording them at this time.

00:07:38.940 And so that while they're criticizing me and defending Liz Cheney,

00:07:43.600 someone in the Cheney orbit is now burning them with their own words.

00:07:48.160 It's actually, yeah, I wish it wasn't happening, but it's kind of poetic if you think about it.

00:07:53.600 It really is.

00:07:56.040 And I think they didn't know to the disagree to which some other people would be hurt.

00:08:01.960 I think they kind of missed the target.

00:08:04.320 And I am frankly cheering because, as you know, I've called for the resignation or the firing,

00:08:09.460 however you want to put it.

00:08:10.520 I believe the conference should have dismissed Kevin McCarthy just based on his comments

00:08:14.240 following January 6th about the president.

00:08:16.920 Then as we learn more about the comments about you and others in the leadership conference calls,

00:08:24.720 I'm just, I'm stunned.

00:08:27.840 I'm absolutely flabbergasted at why in the world the conference puts up with that kind of lack of character.

00:08:36.180 I mean, what was your blood pressure reading when you saw the news that after the most recent tapes had been released,

00:08:43.780 Kevin McCarthy received a standing ovation from the Republican conference?

00:08:47.840 Oh, I thought to myself.

00:08:50.620 He was, he was, he was, he, he, he received a standing ovation when, and I just, I thought that was so debasing of the conference to be so like willing to be lied to.

00:09:02.220 And let me pause at a hypothesis and allow you to attack it.

00:09:05.320 If you, if you disagree, it's, it's not about the truth.

00:09:08.960 It's about money.

00:09:10.700 People get burned in relationships and in politics when they violate sort of the essential understood covenants of the agreement.

00:09:20.020 And the covenant between Republican leadership and the Republican conference isn't really based on truth.

00:09:26.120 It's just based on the delivery of special interest campaign donations and the doling out of leadership positions and committee chairmanships and committee slots.

00:09:36.260 And so, so long as that's not violated, we're actually willing to be lied to.

00:09:41.420 We don't care if we're lied to, and we'll even applaud the people who are not honest with us so long as the checks still cash.

00:09:50.000 You know, Matt, I'm old enough to know and remember when seniority was the essence of committee assignments.

00:09:57.940 It really was.

00:09:59.100 It's some, and people got rid of it because that was corrupt.

00:10:01.640 This is so much more corrupt than the seniority system that it's not even funny.

00:10:07.520 And to have everybody pretend like they're standing up applauding Kevin McCarthy for his, his charisma, his passion, his vision, and his certitude as he leads the conference forward to victory in November is preposterous and laughable.

00:10:25.240 And I, and I guess the issue comes down to, in this, in this, this milieu, the fact is there aren't that many people in the Republican conference who want to be speaker or to raise money except for Kevin McCarthy.

00:10:41.580 What's that deal?

00:10:42.480 Well, you may, you and I, you and I made a lot of news when we posited a hypothesis in our last discussion on the great America show, when we both took the position that Jim Jordan is a man with great talent and vision and ambition.

00:10:55.540 You know, don't forget Jim Jordan was a speaker before integrity, uh, talent, you know, I mean, Jim ran for speaker before, and typically this is not an itch that goes away with one scratch.

00:11:05.840 So while Jim posits that he is for Kevin now, you know, being for Kevin McCarthy is actually how Paul Ryan became speaker.

00:11:13.560 So maybe being for Kevin McCarthy is how Jim Jordan is going to become a speaker.

00:11:17.220 But let me ask you, let me ask you a, a tough question, Lou, what responsibility do you, and you know, I love you, but I'm going to, I'm going to turn the cannons on you for a moment.

00:11:26.120 What responsibility do you think you have for this?

00:11:29.300 Because at a time when Kevin, when a lot of conservatives were very cautious about Kevin McCarthy, you would give him a platform and you would give him these glowing introductions and you would allow him to come and talk about how much he was fighting for the America first agenda.

00:11:45.440 And I mean, I think he could do your show right before hitting up all the lobbyist dinners that were coming after.

00:11:50.700 And I just thought to myself, actually, I think I said to you, I said, Lou, what are you doing?

00:11:54.440 Why do you get this guy, this incredible platform to be able to go and represent something other than what we see day in, day out?

00:12:02.740 And you said that you thought you could have a good influence on him, that by coming on the show, by having frank discussions, you did.

00:12:08.820 You said to me that you thought having him on the show, you thought you could make him a better version of himself.

00:12:14.100 And, you know, what do you see now?

00:12:16.640 Well, man, I, I hate to tell you, we were at a, we're at a crossroads here.

00:12:21.480 Now, either I've got a real bad memory or you've got a, a great imagination because I don't recall such a conversation.

00:12:30.200 I'm not going to say that it didn't happen because after all I am of an age, but I just can't imagine that.

00:12:37.560 And by the way, I'm not much on reform.

00:12:39.560 I'm more about, uh, you know, a recognizing character, uh, and capacity and performance.

00:12:46.500 And otherwise I'm not here to train people and sure as heck not here to train a congressman or a, or a speaker.

00:12:53.580 Uh, I just can't imagine that I said that.

00:12:56.120 And if you think Trump would be forgiving McCarthy, if he hadn't seen McCarthy so many times on Lou Dobbs tonight,

00:13:01.160 you are something else, man.

00:13:04.900 I'm trying to be nice about it.

00:13:06.500 I'm telling you point blank.

00:13:07.580 You're what you're saying.

00:13:08.480 Didn't happen now.

00:13:09.500 I mean, I gave it a test.

00:13:10.880 No, no, no.

00:13:11.340 What, what did happen was you had McCarthy on your show.

00:13:14.400 That did happen.

00:13:15.340 Right.

00:13:15.760 You, you, you had McCarthy.

00:13:17.460 I'll be honest with you.

00:13:18.480 I don't think I ever had him on more than once, maybe twice.

00:13:22.700 Oh, I don't know what we could do.

00:13:24.540 Let me, let me do this.

00:13:25.600 Let me ask our producer, John Fawcett.

00:13:27.600 Do you recall Kevin McCarthy being on the show and me, uh, you know, kind of, kind of reforming him?

00:13:36.820 Uh, I do believe he was on a few times and I, I think you probably did try to, to guide him in the right direction.

00:13:42.780 Now I don't necessarily believe he took your, uh, your words for it, but, uh, well, we're going to have to pull it.

00:13:49.120 We're going to have to pull the transcripts on that one.

00:13:51.000 By the way, if so, I will apologize.

00:13:53.460 I was right, Lou.

00:13:54.820 I'm sorry.

00:13:55.520 John telling you.

00:13:55.980 That was John telling you what he was saying there is he's looking for a new job.

00:14:00.160 That's all he said.

00:14:03.760 Well, I look, I think we, we do have to look forward.

00:14:06.780 I want every leader that we have to be the best version of themselves.

00:14:09.920 I really do.

00:14:11.180 I was disappointed by the attack me.

00:14:13.840 And now you start talking, you know, like you're at Sunday school.

00:14:16.800 Come on.

00:14:17.620 No, listen, I, your job is not the record, baby.

00:14:20.800 Whoa, whoa, Matt.

00:14:21.760 Now, come on.

00:14:22.200 I like, I like the fire brand.

00:14:23.580 I don't like this, uh, uh, proselytizing reformative, uh, impulse that you're displaying.

00:14:29.240 And I don't buy it because I know you don't think much of Kevin McCarthy.

00:14:33.320 You called for his resignation as well.

00:14:35.180 I think you would even like the job if you, uh, had the, uh, the seniority.

00:14:39.260 I would, I would be such a great leader.

00:14:41.120 I just don't have any followers, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very aware of my standing in

00:14:47.740 the Republican conference and that's quite all right.

00:14:50.360 But I am, I'm actually quite serious about wanting all of us in Congress to be the best

00:14:55.440 versions of ourselves.

00:14:56.360 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:14:56.920 Let me give you the model.

00:14:57.760 Come on, come on, man.

00:14:58.480 Let me give you my model.

00:14:59.160 I'll listen to this prattle from some people, but not from you.

00:15:01.960 No, no, no.

00:15:02.400 Okay. 1.00

00:15:02.720 You're a hell raiser, you're a hell raiser. 0.98

00:15:05.720 And you know what you at this point, you know, I was talking to, uh, Marjorie Taylor 0.99

00:15:11.900 green the other day and she started evading questions because she said, uh, that, you

00:15:17.880 know, she wanted to talk about something else rather than the leadership and that's

00:15:20.840 fine.

00:15:21.620 But what isn't fine is to pretend that there's suddenly a new atmosphere in the conference.

00:15:27.400 Uh, you know, everybody's trying to get away from the reality and you laid out the 1.00

00:15:32.140 reality, the reality, the reality is that are absolute jerks. 1.00

00:15:37.020 Okay. 0.99

00:15:37.880 And there's no other way around it.

00:15:39.460 And you don't have as many MAGA as you got rhinos. 1.00

00:15:43.420 And until you guys get that fixed, you're going to have a hell of a time in the Republican

00:15:47.780 conference.

00:15:48.300 And you know, it here's my model.

00:15:51.360 When the squad arrived in Washington, there were four of them.

00:15:54.880 And now, now the entire democratic party acts like the squad.

00:16:00.200 And what I saw is that they had an ability to show up and show fight and show muscle.

00:16:06.460 And they got the rest of that democratic conference to take a hard turn left.

00:16:11.220 And so I want to observe those tactics and learn from them.

00:16:14.800 And if I get more backup, more Marjorie Taylor greens, more Lauren Boeberts, more Jim Jordans,

00:16:20.520 more Scott Perry's in the Congress, then yeah, I don't think we need a majority to be MAGA.

00:16:26.640 I think we need a driving force and a, a, a driving impulse in the conference to embrace

00:16:33.460 the principles that made our country so successful under president Trump, whether

00:16:37.660 you take your, your, you know, come on, Matt, this isn't, this isn't Matt Gaetz talking

00:16:42.560 who, who got to you, Kevin McCarthy.

00:16:45.040 Come on.

00:16:46.100 I was the first guy, by the way, I was the first person to call for Kevin McCarthy's resignation.

00:16:51.240 The first person, not you, not anybody else, me right here on this show.

00:16:58.100 And, and now you're talking, uh, I mean, kumbaya, really?

00:17:03.400 It's time to talk straight.

00:17:04.860 I'm not saying kumbaya.

00:17:05.960 Well, what are you talking?

00:17:06.780 I'm saying that if we are, if I had go from four fire brands to 12 or 16 fire brands, I

00:17:14.660 think that can influence a conference as large as 215, 220, 230 to be more effective and to

00:17:22.900 not be shills for the lobby core and to actually do the, the job that would result in wins for

00:17:28.740 our people who are getting crushed right now.

00:17:30.500 So it's, it's certainly not a, you know, kumbaya.

00:17:34.000 What people are getting crushed?

00:17:36.780 The American people, the American people who are, that are getting screwed by inflation,

00:17:41.120 by the printing of money, by a border that's wide open by, you know, by, I thought you were

00:17:46.180 talking about people in the conference.

00:17:47.740 I know.

00:17:48.900 I mean, this, this show documents, uh, all of those people being, uh, crushed right now by

00:17:54.960 the system.

00:17:55.560 And the reason I'm arguing with you is I don't want to see a fire brand turn into milk toast.

00:18:01.440 And that is not the Matt Gates that people want to hear from.

00:18:04.920 Okay.

00:18:05.260 I'll just tell you straight up.

00:18:06.640 Matt Gates is a straight talker and you stand up for what you believe.

00:18:12.540 And that means that you inspire others to this, this business about, uh, this business about 0.96

00:18:17.620 bridges to nowhere, uh, you know, is ridiculous.

00:18:21.180 It's just not going to work that way.

00:18:23.600 It's, it's not a bridge, but you, we have to get other people to behave more like us,

00:18:28.760 to be effective.

00:18:29.700 Right.

00:18:30.460 And we're only going to be able to elect so many of them.

00:18:32.920 And so the ones that get elected have to influence the rest of the body to be better.

00:18:38.020 Now, frankly, that oftentimes involves uncomfortable truths.

00:18:42.060 You know what I mean?

00:18:42.800 I stood up before conference and was hissed at and booed at when I wanted answers about

00:18:48.000 why these people were saying things about me that were not based in fact.

00:18:51.020 And Kevin McCarthy stood up and was lauded as a hero of the conference.

00:18:56.480 Well, wait a minute.

00:18:56.940 I thought you were the one.

00:18:57.920 I thought you said I was the one that was a soft peddling on Kevin.

00:19:01.980 It was you.

00:19:03.400 Not on this show.

00:19:04.460 Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

00:19:05.800 And let me tell you something.

00:19:06.600 You would have McCarthy on Ludov tonight and you helped him out in that platform.

00:19:12.080 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:19:13.140 You know what?

00:19:13.700 You're talking about then and you're talking about, uh, recent history and nothing in recent

00:19:18.560 history.

00:19:18.900 I didn't, I really didn't give a damn about McCarthy until he betrayed the president on

00:19:25.140 January 6th.

00:19:26.300 So you could talk about pre January 6th and you can talk about post and post.

00:19:31.340 I think the man ought to go to, you know, you know, and by the way, I, no, it's not

00:19:37.720 my bright line.

00:19:38.540 It's a very simple thing.

00:19:39.500 It's cause and effect.

00:19:40.840 No bright lines, no red lines.

00:19:42.840 It's just a cause and effect.

00:19:44.340 His conduct was unbecoming and certainly unbecoming anyone in leadership.

00:19:49.300 And, you know, this business of saying that, because I was civil to Kevin McCarthy, uh, you

00:19:55.040 know, I was sold at a time when he was effectively inert.

00:19:59.280 Uh, and by the way, Kevin McCarthy got the job because nobody else could get it.

00:20:04.220 What the hell was that?

00:20:06.760 Hey, I campaigned for Jim Jordan.

00:20:08.800 I, uh, Jim ran against Kevin.

00:20:11.520 He lost.

00:20:12.480 The vote was lopsided, but it was, it's a very different conference today.

00:20:16.960 And, and, you know, I don't know.

00:20:18.900 I hope it is.

00:20:19.340 I hope it is.

00:20:20.660 It's different, but I tell you right now, if the election were held for speaker, Kevin

00:20:24.900 would win it and it would not be close.

00:20:27.340 And, uh, I don't know that they would shame even strenuous opposition, but it's the truth.

00:20:31.620 And I'm here to tell you the truth.

00:20:34.180 Well, I love it.

00:20:36.040 You're, you're a truth maker and a truth taker.

00:20:38.400 Uh, but here's the deal.

00:20:40.240 If you guys can't get your, if you guys can not, uh, move forward, uh, and demonstrate

00:20:47.800 that you can change leadership and have the smarts and the guts to do it, uh, you know,

00:20:52.960 I'm, I'm tired of them.

00:20:54.460 I'm so sick and tired of rhinos outsmarting conservatives. 1.00

00:20:59.060 I am so tired of watching the radical Dems get away with the murder of this country because

00:21:06.040 you guys haven't got the energy, the imagination, and the drive to stand up and make things happen.

00:21:13.260 And that's, that's the problem, Matt, that is the problem in a nutshell.

00:21:17.880 You had a president for crying out loud who did more in four years than any president

00:21:23.140 since Abraham Lincoln.

00:21:25.040 And it's just stunning.

00:21:27.280 And here we are.

00:21:28.700 Why do you think?

00:21:29.720 So why do you think Trump supports McCarthy for speaker?

00:21:32.580 I, you know, I don't know.

00:21:34.260 I can tell you this.

00:21:35.420 I called it, I called it straight out.

00:21:37.620 I don't like McCarthy, the president.

00:21:40.340 I love his politics and I'll tell you, he's made some of the worst personal, uh, personnel

00:21:45.360 charges I've ever seen anybody make.

00:21:47.540 And besides that, what people don't understand, but you do.

00:21:51.280 Donald Trump is first and foremost, he is a nice guy and he believes in redemption for

00:21:57.380 folks.

00:21:57.800 I don't, I don't in politics.

00:22:00.320 I think a man cast his, uh, his fate and there you go.

00:22:05.120 I can't think of a case where it's been, uh, where we've seen a man reverse his direction

00:22:10.420 or woman.

00:22:11.260 Have you, I, uh, well, I, no, I have, I mean, listen, uh, Donald Trump's about ready to give

00:22:17.280 us the Supreme court.

00:22:18.200 That's going to end abortion. 1.00

00:22:19.120 And he used to describe himself as pro-choice.

00:22:21.460 And I mean, we're, we're about to see Roe overturned before our very eyes.

00:22:24.620 So people do change their mind.

00:22:25.940 But I'm talking about politicians.

00:22:29.460 You're talking about the best leader the country's had since Lincoln.

00:22:32.720 Uh, and it's, it's so great that, that we're getting these wins that the Trump effect was

00:22:38.540 so poignant that now we're still realizing the benefits from it.

00:22:43.260 And it's spectacular.

00:22:44.660 I can't wait to have him back.

00:22:45.800 I can meet you and me both.

00:22:47.440 I can't wait to also to find out what is Pompeo, uh, pick for a secretary of state's doing

00:22:53.720 getting involved in a, a race in Pennsylvania, going after Dr.

00:22:58.520 Oz, uh, who is by the way, endorsed by endorsed by president Trump.

00:23:05.340 What's that about?

00:23:07.980 I found it a little unsettling that the former secretary of state and former CIA director

00:23:14.200 was choosing like right here, right proximate on election day to make such a stunning speech

00:23:22.400 that seems to utilize the emperor matter of his prior role to smear someone who will have

00:23:29.220 no ability to respond.

00:23:30.900 And, you know, if Mike Pompeo really had, really had this like grave and urgent and sincere national

00:23:37.100 security concern about Dr.

00:23:38.920 Oz, well, why did he wait till like election day, you know, to roll it out and smear him?

00:23:45.120 I mean, it, it just reeks of kind of dirty politics that someone who's been the former, uh, CIA director

00:23:51.440 and former secretary of state should be above.

00:23:53.220 And I don't even know if it's true or not, but this is not the way to resolve whether it's true

00:23:57.160 or not, uh, in some last second smear.

00:24:00.060 I think the people are actually smarter than, than to fall for something like that.

00:24:03.460 Well, I'll guarantee you they're smarter than any politician, uh, in the aggregate.

00:24:07.100 It's just a question, not whether they want to express it.

00:24:09.820 Sometimes they do like the people in your district when they selected you,

00:24:13.180 but Mike Pompeo is going against a man who put him in the job and he's telling the president

00:24:18.520 to go to hell on his choice, uh, to endorse and Pennsylvania that's unseemly and not very.

00:24:25.100 Do you think that, do you think, do you think that it foreshadows Pompeo running against Trump?

00:24:28.960 I think what it foreshadows is Pompeo won't be running again.

00:24:32.740 Uh, I don't think this is a move that'll ever help him.

00:24:35.200 And I think it may in fact, uh, be a mortal wound.

00:24:38.420 Uh, that's what I think.

00:24:39.920 Oh, we'll see.

00:24:40.660 What do you think?

00:24:41.660 What do you think?

00:24:42.180 I do not bet against a Donald Trump endorsement because I've seen him go 55 and 0, you know,

00:24:49.000 when president Trump endorses a candidate, I do what I can to support that candidate.

00:24:52.740 It's why I traveled around the state of Ohio with JD Vance last week, um, because I want

00:24:57.640 to see the president's pick prevail.

00:24:59.960 Uh, so I don't, you know, I, I think that, uh, you're, you were right in your criticism

00:25:04.500 of some elements of the Trump presidency.

00:25:07.220 It was not only the best people that we ended up getting.

00:25:10.520 It was a whole lot of people who presented like they were America first, but then they

00:25:15.680 were for themselves first.

00:25:16.760 And that all, the good thing about Trump is that everyone exposes themselves eventually.

00:25:22.800 You know what I mean?

00:25:23.800 He has such kind of an information, um, ecosystem around him and you have to respond to so much

00:25:30.060 of his activity that the liars and the self-interested, uh, always sort of end up exposing themselves.

00:25:37.440 And actually that's probably why the second term president Trump's going to be a lot better

00:25:41.040 than the first one, because we've been able to weed through a lot of people that, um, that

00:25:45.320 were, that were working against the president's vision with very powerful roles.

00:25:50.400 Yeah.

00:25:51.560 And, and a lot of people listening to you right now might think you're talking about the deep

00:25:56.980 state, the permanent bureaucracy, or perhaps the Marxist left Democrat party, but no, Matt

00:26:03.200 Gates is talking about the Republican party and the rhinos who dominate, uh, starting with

00:26:08.700 Kevin McCarthy and then Steve Scalise and the, and the leadership for the, uh, you know, not

00:26:14.060 as bad actually as the Senate where the Mitch McConnell is leading a pack of, I, I don't

00:26:19.860 know what the heck you would call them.

00:26:22.060 Uh, you know, Thune, what would you call him?

00:26:24.880 I mean, if you would, uh, I mean, if you could label him, huh?

00:26:30.200 I think a lot of them over in the Senate are just cogs in the system.

00:26:33.360 And it's a system that ignores greatly to their benefit politically, personally, financially

00:26:39.020 in a lot of cases.

00:26:40.360 And, you know, that is, uh, just a, that is a body that, that desperately needs some youth

00:26:47.120 and vigor.

00:26:47.960 Uh, I'm very encouraged by what I see out of people like Josh Hawley.

00:26:51.840 And I'm hoping we could send Josh Hawley some backup over there where he's, where he's not

00:26:55.720 alone as he too often is, or, you know, himself and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, uh, doing good

00:27:00.620 things.

00:27:01.100 But I did notice in the Senate, and I got to get your take on this, them grilling my

00:27:05.700 anarchists on this whole ministry of truth, where the government's going to sit there and

00:27:11.740 tell us what to do.

00:27:12.420 I got to know your take on the goals of the Biden administration, setting up an entity to

00:27:19.120 categorize certain content, this information.

00:27:22.440 Well, as you might guess, being a person who had a, you know, a glancing, uh, uh, interest

00:27:29.940 in the public's right to know as a journalist and an insistence on the public's right to know

00:27:35.380 as an advocacy and opinion, uh, journalist, uh, I absolutely believe it's ignorance and

00:27:41.340 I can't believe the Republican parties talking about getting rid of it.

00:27:44.980 Once they get into the conference, they should be right now suing everybody associated with

00:27:50.540 that.

00:27:51.000 That's just that situation and doing everything in their power.

00:27:54.920 And I mean, including, I don't care street marches, whatever it takes to have a president

00:27:59.660 of the United States, put out a, a, a disinformation governance board about as Orwellian a title

00:28:06.360 as you could give something with a totalitarian purpose, which is to let government decide what

00:28:11.360 is true of that should be rankling.

00:28:14.300 Every member of the conference, every Republican in the country, it actually should be the Democrat

00:28:20.260 party as well, but that's too much to ask for, but stop it, stop it.

00:28:25.580 Now this is ridiculous of what we're watching as the Biden administration rolls right over

00:28:32.660 the Republican party without a, so much as a squeak. 0.98

00:28:36.080 It's disgusting to me. 1.00

00:28:37.600 We're still six months from that damn election. 1.00

00:28:39.920 And you know what? 0.99

00:28:41.400 The GOP hasn't done a damn thing about reforming elections, doing anything about drop boxes

00:28:47.400 or the election season that the Democrats put in place in COVID rather than election day.

00:28:53.640 And you all are just asking for another slaughter if you're not careful.

00:28:58.200 Oh, we have done things in Florida on that.

00:29:00.500 I got to give my state credit.

00:29:02.700 We have banned the drop boxes.

00:29:05.140 We have tightened the protocols on vote by mail so that you don't have just swirls and swirls

00:29:12.020 of unaccounted for ballots out there.

00:29:14.080 And we've actually put in legally required shade of custody for ballot boxes, no matter, 0.98

00:29:18.360 no matter where they are, even in, in voting locations.

00:29:21.080 Uh, and if that, you know, is, uh, helpful to other States, uh, it needs to be what I,

00:29:27.320 what I'm very concerned about is the Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer effort to federalize

00:29:32.000 elections because then they will take trying to federalize everything, not just elections.

00:29:36.340 Oh yeah.

00:29:37.000 But if they federalize elections, then Stacey, the Stacey Abrams view of ballot integrity

00:29:42.420 will be nationalized.

00:29:43.780 And we will not, we will not win another election again because there will not be another honest

00:29:48.220 election again.

00:29:49.320 And I'm sorry if that gets your podcast banned, but that's the truth.

00:29:53.000 And, you know, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:29:56.840 What are you sorry, uh, about, uh, what was it that would get this podcast banned?

00:30:02.860 When you criticize the 2020 election in any way, the Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram

00:30:11.940 distribution channels that you use to do this, they go put tags on the content that then suppress.

00:30:18.580 I got the feeling you don't even know who the hell you're, I got a feeling you don't even

00:30:22.460 know who the hell you're talking to.

00:30:23.960 We criticize the 2020 election every, almost every day.

00:30:28.600 And we do so.

00:30:29.620 And by the way, we don't depend on anybody.

00:30:32.160 We are an independent podcast.

00:30:34.440 We're not sitting here sucking up advertising dollars and, uh, you know, getting, uh, you

00:30:39.400 know, locked up with some broadcasting entity who gets a lot of, uh, heat from advertisers

00:30:44.700 because we speak the truth here.

00:30:46.680 I'm still for a lot.

00:30:47.580 I've said on this show, frankly.

00:30:48.980 And when I get yelled at by our leadership portal, I'll say, Hey, listen, Dobbs called

00:30:52.500 me milk toast.

00:30:53.420 So he gave, he, he gave, I said, I just didn't want you to turn into that.

00:30:57.700 I kind of liked you as a fire brand.

00:30:59.700 You got, you got my commitment on that.

00:31:01.720 My friend.

00:31:02.540 Good deal.

00:31:03.820 And, uh, you know what you get the last word here.

00:31:07.420 And, uh, I, I do like the fact that, uh, uh, you said McCarthy and Scalise are weak

00:31:15.800 men that's almost as good as milk toast.

00:31:20.680 It's, uh, I wouldn't want to be described as either, but, uh, we do need to be a stronger

00:31:25.040 movement because the people are depending on us, Lou, and they don't want to just see

00:31:29.800 us fight and talk.

00:31:30.880 They actually want to see us win battles for them.

00:31:33.880 And we've got to be a lot smarter and a lot more strategic to do it.

00:31:37.940 Uh, I certainly am doing my very best to try to get a group of folks in Washington that

00:31:42.840 might think things a little differently, might not do things the same way we've always

00:31:46.340 done them because the way we've always done them is rolled over the American people for

00:31:49.700 decades now, and they're sick of it, but thanks for letting me come on the show and

00:31:53.540 share my perspective on it.

00:31:55.000 And, uh, I'm sure we'll make plenty of news when this drops.

00:31:57.980 Well, I look forward to that always.

00:31:59.860 Uh, as long as we're making truth, we can make news.

00:32:03.420 I appreciate it.

00:32:04.260 Thanks so much.

00:32:04.760 Matt Gates.

00:32:05.740 We, uh, I, we consider him a great American and an outstanding Congressman.

00:32:10.780 Uh, sometimes a little fantastical and his imaginings about my conduct and my behavior,

00:32:17.280 but that's okay.

00:32:19.000 We love him anyway, Matt Gates.

00:32:21.020 Thank you.

00:32:21.580 God bless you.

00:32:22.680 All right.

00:32:23.400 Take it easy, Lou.

00:32:23.980 Thanks.

00:32:25.240 Congressman Matt Gates.

00:32:27.120 Thank you everybody for being with us today and here tomorrow to take up what is happening

00:32:31.860 in the now almost three months of war in Ukraine.

00:32:35.280 Colonel Doug McGregor.

00:32:36.660 We'll also be talking about why Biden and so many of the left and 40 Republicans in the

00:32:42.400 Senate act like they would like to expand the conflict in Europe.

00:32:47.180 Why in the world are they doing that?

00:32:50.040 We take that up here tomorrow.

00:32:51.420 Please join us till then.

00:32:53.420 God bless you and God bless America.

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The Great America Show - May 09, 2022

PELOSI & SCHUMER TRYING TO FEDERALIZE ELECTIONS

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