The Great America Show - September 10, 2024


PLAN RED： CHINA'S PROJECT TO DESTROY AMERICA

Topics
China's military coordination with Russia Uyghur camps and genocide
Hosted by
Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Xi Jinping Gordon Chang John Fawcett NY Vladimir Putin Donald Trump Tim Waltz Joe Biden Mike Lindell Kim Jong-un Elon Musk Sam Harris MyPillows Fentanyl MyPillow Clintons Kiev
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Gordon Chang is the author of the new book, "Plant Red: China's Project to Destroy America." It's available for pre-order on October 1st, 2019. He's also a regular contributor to the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Great America Show.
00:00:05.060 It's great to have you with us.
00:00:06.380 Seems that each day that goes by, the U.S. faces a threat from a different angle of the
00:00:10.100 world.
00:00:10.840 The threat of nuclear war from Russia or Iran, the threat of illegal immigrants coming across 1.00
00:00:15.140 the southern border, or perhaps the threat of the deadly fentanyl that comes across each
00:00:19.000 day.
00:00:19.840 But there's one threat that stayed constant for a very long time, and that is China. 0.88
00:00:24.240 I had mentioned fentanyl.
00:00:25.400 They are the leading producer of it and send it into this country freely each day, and
00:00:29.500 that is thanks to the Biden administration.
00:00:31.800 Fentanyl is responsible for taking the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans each
00:00:35.180 year.
00:00:36.140 They also sent us the China virus, which claimed the lives of over 1 million Americans and 0.99
00:00:40.180 over 7 million globally.
00:00:42.040 And since the Biden administration has taken over, there has been little to nothing done
00:00:45.900 to hold China accountable for anything they've done to us. 0.97
00:00:48.860 To take up all the current and future threats we face, I want to bring in our guest today.
00:00:52.720 He's the author of the all-new book called Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
00:00:56.880 It comes out on October 1st, and it's available for pre-order now.
00:01:00.380 He's Gordon Chang.
00:01:02.120 Gordon, it's great to have you with us.
00:01:03.660 I want to start with first, China announcing this week they're going to start joint naval
00:01:07.740 drills with Russia.
00:01:08.900 What does this mean for America?
00:01:10.720 What does it mean for the world?
00:01:12.520 This shows once again, John, that China and Russia are coordinating their militaries.
00:01:17.780 This particular naval exercise will be near Japan, and that indicates this is a threat 1.00
00:01:24.640 to not only the Japanese homeland, but to South Korea as well.
00:01:29.440 You know, if there's going to be a war, you know, you could be Taiwan, could be the Philippines,
00:01:34.780 but clearly I think the Chinese will pressure both South Korea and Japan. 0.68
00:01:40.680 So this will be a region-wide war.
00:01:42.600 And by the way, we got wars in Ukraine, the Middle East, and in North Africa with those 0.99
00:01:48.120 insurgencies that look like wars.
00:01:50.700 That means this is probably World War III if something happens in East Asia.
00:01:56.200 You mentioned Africa.
00:01:57.520 Xi Jinping was over in Africa this week for the 2020 forum on the China-Africa cooperation,
00:02:03.320 where he's trying to get started back up the Belt and Road Initiative, offering up loans
00:02:08.180 with free forgiveness.
00:02:09.820 I mean, is this part of his plan to dominate all global aspects of the world?
00:02:16.280 I mean, you see him down in Honduras, down in Nicaragua, building, you know, power plants
00:02:22.140 and all sorts of things, coming up just short of Mexico, which I'm sure he'll make his way 1.00
00:02:26.620 into eventually.
00:02:28.380 I mean, what's his plan?
00:02:30.620 Yeah, his plan is to rule the world.
00:02:32.780 And they've been very clear about it, because he's been pushing the notion that China is the
00:02:37.300 world's only legitimate state.
00:02:38.640 And since 2017, Chinese officials have been talking about the moon and Mars as sovereign
00:02:44.400 Chinese territory.
00:02:45.920 Now, this meeting with the African leaders is important for Xi Jinping, because not only
00:02:52.520 is this a question of trying to govern the entire planet and to colonize Africa, but it's
00:02:59.220 also Xi Jinping desperately needs the African economies.
00:03:03.960 His economy is failing.
00:03:06.320 He has turned his back on the only sustainable plan for China, which is to increase consumption,
00:03:12.680 which means his only play is to export more.
00:03:17.400 We're seeing China, we're seeing the United States, EU start to restrict their markets.
00:03:22.880 Even some countries in the global south are starting to restrict their markets to Chinese
00:03:26.760 goods.
00:03:27.120 So basically, Xi Jinping needs to export a lot to Africa to keep his country going.
00:03:33.880 You had mentioned the recession in China, and who really knows how bad it is, because nothing
00:03:39.840 we get out of China, it's sort of like the Biden administration, nothing we get out of
00:03:42.560 China is really true. 1.00
00:03:44.040 So who knows how bad the numbers are?
00:03:45.760 What do you predict they really are as for GDP, as for exports, you know, over the last year
00:03:51.520 versus 2023?
00:03:54.180 Yeah, China claimed 4.7 percent growth for the second quarter of this year.
00:03:59.200 That is a mythical figure because China was probably hovering around zero.
00:04:05.160 And since the end of the second quarter, we've seen marked deterioration in the Chinese economy,
00:04:11.740 especially the country is now in deflation.
00:04:15.500 That's clear in the factory sector.
00:04:18.020 If it weren't for the worsening food shortages in China, which has raised prices of food,
00:04:23.200 the consumer price index would also, I think, be negative.
00:04:26.700 Right now, it is positive, as we saw for August.
00:04:30.300 But once you strip out food and some other things and get to core inflation, I think that
00:04:37.000 they probably are negative.
00:04:39.500 And you can't have robust growth if you're in a deflationary cycle downward.
00:04:44.100 So this is serious for Xi Jinping.
00:04:46.300 And as I mentioned, his prescriptions to get this done are just not realistic.
00:04:52.200 So I don't see that they'll be able to save their economy.
00:04:56.520 Now, who's to thank for that?
00:04:57.620 In America, we have Joe Biden to thank for what's happened to this economy, whether it's,
00:05:01.240 you know, killing every single new lease for oil to drill or exporting everything they
00:05:08.080 could possibly export overseas and not hire and buy American.
00:05:11.800 Who's to blame for this demise of China?
00:05:15.620 Well, Xi Jinping has been general secretary of the Communist Party since November 2012.
00:05:20.080 So he certainly deserves a lot of the blame.
00:05:22.580 If you step back, clearly, China right now is having its 2008 downturn.
00:05:29.600 In 2008, they decided not to have a downturn along with the rest of the world.
00:05:34.000 So they overstimulated their economy.
00:05:36.240 They built too many high speed rail lines, too many bridges.
00:05:40.040 They built too much of everything.
00:05:42.080 And now they're having trouble sort of digesting the debt.
00:05:45.900 But Xi Jinping has made it worse because he believes in a state dominated economy.
00:05:50.600 So he's not only pushing out the foreign businesses, he's also pushing out domestic Chinese private
00:05:56.500 entrepreneurs.
00:05:57.480 These are the most productive parts of the Chinese economy.
00:06:00.600 These are the parts of the economy that led the revival in the reform era, which is basically
00:06:06.480 four decades of growth.
00:06:08.440 So Xi Jinping deserves a lot of blame for this.
00:06:10.780 And in fact, he is being blamed for this.
00:06:13.000 So I actually read something this morning that he's actually they're asking they're offering
00:06:18.900 for companies to come in and start businesses in China, private companies in China.
00:06:23.600 I don't think a lot of people realize that anything there's no such thing as private in China.
00:06:27.660 Everything is owned by China. 0.97
00:06:28.860 Everything's controlled by China up until the very words you say or the baby that comes out 1.00
00:06:33.200 of your womb. 0.99
00:06:33.860 Who would be dumb enough to go into China and start a new business, seeing after what 0.98
00:06:38.180 we saw happen during covid, whether it be 90 percent of our medical supplies and medicine 0.99
00:06:44.680 are deadly medicines that we need in this country from India and China, who would be so 1.00
00:06:49.980 dumb to go over there and give them? 0.99
00:06:52.360 And I say give them because they're not stealing our intellectual property. 0.99
00:06:55.020 We give it to them. 0.98
00:06:56.100 Who would be dumb enough to go over there and start anything? 0.95
00:06:59.660 Basically, that's a great question, because as Xi Jinping has been pushing foreign companies 0.94
00:07:07.040 out and they've been leaving, there are sort of two categories of companies that want in.
00:07:12.880 One of them are the German car makers.
00:07:15.460 And that's a long story.
00:07:17.880 And the other is American pharmaceutical companies are starting to think about putting more production
00:07:23.160 into China.
00:07:24.140 But, you know, everybody else is leaving.
00:07:26.120 And I think eventually the American drug companies are going to decide that this is not a good
00:07:31.020 idea.
00:07:31.840 But, you know, they're talking about it now.
00:07:34.300 You know, the interesting thing, I love Elon Musk.
00:07:37.300 I think he's the smartest man alive.
00:07:38.680 And Lou was always hung up on him.
00:07:40.660 And there, you know, I always used to tell him, like, you know, you know, why don't you
00:07:44.100 love this guy?
00:07:44.600 He's the modern day Einstein.
00:07:46.000 And he loved him.
00:07:46.840 But he had one problem with him and his dependency on China.
00:07:50.580 Without China, Elon Musk can't make a car battery.
00:07:52.800 And, you know, they've kind of got him in a position.
00:07:56.480 And if these German car makers don't see that, that Elon can't get out of China because he's
00:08:01.260 so tied up with them.
00:08:02.480 I want to ask you, the Trump tariffs that he put on, does that have anything to do with
00:08:06.860 what's going on with their economy right now that the Biden administration has left on?
00:08:11.360 Yeah.
00:08:11.700 Yeah.
00:08:11.940 President Trump said that he would increase the China tariffs to at least 60 percent and maybe
00:08:18.140 even 100 percent.
00:08:19.320 And there's a couple of things going on here.
00:08:22.500 First of all, you know, the 2018 tariffs that President Trump put in place, those were for
00:08:29.900 the remedy.
00:08:30.740 Those were remedies for the theft of U.S. intellectual property.
00:08:33.780 They were imposed under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974.
00:08:38.280 Really, though, going forward, any new tariffs are going to be because of China's predatory trade
00:08:43.960 practices.
00:08:44.460 What they are doing is they're using massive subsidies to domestic Chinese companies to
00:08:51.720 basically produce more than China could ever consume.
00:08:55.540 And that's the situation right now.
00:08:57.000 But Xi Jinping is doubling down on that, which means that this is a violation not only of their
00:09:02.520 World Trade Organization obligations, but this is also like the biggest beggar thy neighbor 0.99
00:09:09.580 program in history.
00:09:10.660 And basically, Xi Jinping doesn't want any other country to manufacture anything.
00:09:16.040 And so we need to protect our markets.
00:09:18.200 And so President Trump is right about this.
00:09:20.480 These tariffs need to go up and they need to be substantial.
00:09:23.540 They need to be substantial increases.
00:09:26.120 We're going to talk about that on the other side of this break.
00:09:27.880 You had mentioned the possibility of Trump putting more tariffs on them.
00:09:31.160 I think a big problem that sits in Trump's heart, and I say his heart because I think it's near
00:09:35.580 and dear to him is COVID and that he never did anything to get back at China for COVID.
00:09:40.280 So I think when Trump comes back in, he's going to be looking for retribution, and I think
00:09:43.700 tariffs is going to be a big key.
00:09:45.280 We're talking with Gordon Chang.
00:09:46.340 We'll be right back.
00:09:47.000 Stay with us.
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00:10:56.540 We're talking with Gordon Chang.
00:10:57.520 And Gordon, right before we went to break there, we were talking about China and war
00:11:02.320 and tariffs and everything that comes with it.
00:11:05.060 Just to go past history a little bit.
00:11:06.780 In World War I in America, we were going through a recession.
00:11:10.020 The war turned a 44-month economic boost.
00:11:14.120 World War II from 1937 to 1939, we were in a recession.
00:11:18.420 Vietnam, we were experiencing extreme inflation.
00:11:21.060 China, obviously, is in a very bad place right now, and there's no doubt that war might help 1.00
00:11:27.600 them out a little bit.
00:11:28.900 There's a very short timeline with tsunami season coming and who they will attack.
00:11:33.880 Presumably Taiwan could be us, could be somebody else.
00:11:38.400 If they are to attack with the notion that President Trump comes back in November, give
00:11:43.980 me a timeline, if you will, of when they will and how they'll go about doing so.
00:11:49.920 Yeah, a really important question.
00:11:52.560 In general, we've got to be prepared for anything at any place at any time.
00:11:57.940 But if we're looking at what is most probable, I don't think the Chinese will start hostilities
00:12:04.420 with an invasion of the main island of Taiwan.
00:12:07.220 A lot of reasons for that.
00:12:08.780 But what we have been seeing in the Philippines, in the South China Sea, especially since the
00:12:14.720 middle of June, indicates that's the most likely place.
00:12:19.360 One of the reasons why China won't attack Taiwan, in my belief, is that it's too hard, too many
00:12:26.320 casualties.
00:12:27.380 I think they're looking for a quick political win, and they believe that the Philippines is
00:12:32.500 the easiest place for that.
00:12:34.200 You know, Xi Jinping right now, he can't save the Chinese economy unless he does something
00:12:41.360 like start a war.
00:12:42.780 I don't think that he, I think he eventually will see that he's going to be lost.
00:12:48.120 And he wants a war, not because the Chinese people want it.
00:12:51.260 Chinese people right now do not want war, and they especially don't want a war with Taiwan.
00:12:56.140 But I think that Xi Jinping would start a war because he'd want to prevent other senior
00:13:01.160 Communist Party leaders from deposing him.
00:13:03.520 So this is a Communist Party play, in my view.
00:13:08.500 And the Philippines is the most likely place for that because of what we've been seeing
00:13:13.020 recently.
00:13:14.200 Well, give me a timeline.
00:13:15.580 I mean, China has an issue in the islands down there that we don't have over here, and
00:13:20.620 they don't have over in the Middle East, and that's monsoon season.
00:13:23.440 So it gives them a very short window on when they could attack.
00:13:26.980 First, if you will, give me a timeline of when they could.
00:13:30.680 You don't have to be very specific, but will it be in the next two, three months?
00:13:35.460 Yeah, I tend not to think in the next two, three months.
00:13:39.120 But remember, what they're doing in the Philippines every week can start a war. 0.85
00:13:43.600 It is that belligerent.
00:13:45.040 So one of those incidents can spiral out of control.
00:13:48.880 So this could be very, very soon.
00:13:51.500 But in terms of China actually thinking about provoking a war, if you have to have a time
00:13:58.740 frame, I'd say in the next year.
00:14:01.640 And the reason is, I don't think it's so much time to events in the US.
00:14:06.500 I think it's time to events inside China, inside the top of the Communist Party, which
00:14:11.560 we can't see.
00:14:13.020 And I think that what will be timed eventually, too, will be the failure of what we were talking
00:14:18.020 about before, which is the Chinese economy.
00:14:20.720 They can still hang on a little bit longer.
00:14:22.900 But I think that they're going to come to a conclusion pretty soon that they cannot save
00:14:28.060 the economy.
00:14:28.780 And that's when I think that they make the go, no go decision.
00:14:31.760 So one other thing, you're not sold.
00:14:33.500 So you're not sold on the on the prospect of Trump having anything to do with it.
00:14:37.700 He'll have something to do with it.
00:14:40.460 But I think that Xi Jinping is reacting primarily to domestic incentives inside the Communist Party,
00:14:48.200 because that's the way that they normally have reacted in the past.
00:14:52.220 If you go back through Communist Party history, go back to 1949, it's primarily they're reacting
00:14:59.800 to what's going on inside of Beijing.
00:15:03.200 One other thing.
00:15:04.840 We can't say right now that Xi Jinping has made the decision to go to war, but we can 0.66
00:15:09.640 say one thing 100 percent, and that is he's made the decision to risk war because he has
00:15:15.180 been risking war in the South China Sea.
00:15:17.440 And so he is prepared to go to war at this time or at any time.
00:15:23.380 You had to mention it's interesting because he's been beating the Taiwan drum beat for
00:15:30.200 a very long time, giving us dates 20, 25, 20, 30, and so on.
00:15:33.780 When did the pivot come from going into Taiwan to now looking at the Philippines?
00:15:42.220 Yeah, I don't know the answer to that question, but I can tell you that, you know, we've seen
00:15:47.040 very hostile air and naval maneuvers against Taiwan, but they've never really gone beyond
00:15:54.340 trying to intimidate the Taiwanese. 0.98
00:15:57.340 And in February of this year, China actually had in its mind a cause for war because that
00:16:04.480 was when two Chinese fishermen drowned after being pursued by the Taiwan Coast Guard.
00:16:10.740 Now, those Chinese fishermen should not have been in Taiwan's waters. 1.00
00:16:13.780 But in China's mind, that was a reason to go to war.
00:16:18.780 And they didn't do it.
00:16:19.880 They huffed and they puffed.
00:16:21.780 And after that, it, I think, became clear that they were going after the Philippines rather
00:16:27.180 than Taiwan.
00:16:28.520 But, you know, anything can happen.
00:16:30.820 And people in Taiwan, they're thinking it might be a blockade, might be a quarantine.
00:16:36.320 And that could come within recent months.
00:16:38.800 But that's very different than launching an invasion against the main island of Taiwan.
00:16:47.180 So I want to tie something else into this now, and that's North Korea.
00:16:50.400 Xi Jinping sending a letter to Pyongyang and Kim Jong-un telling him he wants to strengthen
00:16:56.160 ties with him, you know, after not talking with him for eight months.
00:16:59.760 How does now North Korea tie into this?
00:17:01.800 And what does it mean for South Korea?
00:17:03.000 Yeah, most people believe that North Korea has moved far away from China and very close
00:17:10.360 to Russia.
00:17:11.520 Kim Jong-un went to a Russian cosmodrome near Vladivostok last September.
00:17:17.780 Vladimir Putin went to Pyongyang in June.
00:17:20.520 That's when they signed up their mutual defense treaty and their comprehensive strategic partnership
00:17:25.100 pact.
00:17:25.620 I have a slightly different take on this, and that is that I believe that China was more 0.69
00:17:33.720 or less the mastermind between closer Russian-North Korea ties.
00:17:38.040 And the reason is both Russia and North Korea absolutely depend on China, and neither are in 0.88
00:17:45.140 a position to betray China.
00:17:47.000 So I think that we're seeing a little bit of kabuki.
00:17:49.980 I think that Xi Jinping likes all of this because what's happening is that North Korea is keeping 0.99
00:17:55.420 Russia in the Ukraine war, and Xi Jinping is not taking the heat for doing that.
00:18:01.380 So I think that China gets a lot of benefits from this.
00:18:04.600 I'm not prepared to say, oh, you know, the relationship between China and North Korea is
00:18:09.560 as strong as it's ever been in history.
00:18:12.080 But nonetheless, I think the relations are really strong.
00:18:15.200 And we should assume that we have here North Korea, Iran, Russia, and China are forming a
00:18:23.020 durable partnership that is confronting us and waging war on the international system.
00:18:28.820 Yeah, I'm not entirely sure that any relationship with China is genuine.
00:18:32.540 I think at any point, if something were to happen and there had been a vulnerability, Russia
00:18:37.380 would be all over it.
00:18:39.120 What does Russia do if China is to attack, we'll say, Taiwan or the Philippines?
00:18:46.080 Do they sit back?
00:18:47.320 Do they get involved?
00:18:48.100 Are they proxies in it?
00:18:50.260 And does Iran tie into this in any way?
00:18:53.560 Yeah, that really is a critical question, because, you know, we started by talking about
00:18:59.140 the China-Russia naval drills near Japan.
00:19:03.640 I think that we have to assume that if China starts a war in East Asia, that Russia will come 0.96
00:19:10.060 in on China's side.
00:19:12.160 Really?
00:19:12.240 I'm not saying that 100%, but I have to say that when we plan for war, that's what we 1.00
00:19:18.520 have to just assume will happen, because we see that Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping, they
00:19:24.420 have been coordinating all their policies, including their naval and air maneuvers.
00:19:31.080 So this is a military relationship as much as anything else.
00:19:35.660 And Xi Jinping has been fully behind Russia, keeping it in the war in Ukraine.
00:19:41.480 So I think that Vladimir Putin, if Xi Jinping asks him to or demands that he do that, I
00:19:48.660 don't think Vladimir Putin's in a position to say no.
00:19:51.680 It's very interesting, because, you know, if that were to happen, Vladimir Putin would
00:19:56.380 have a war on the left of him and a war on the right of him.
00:19:58.580 And when he invaded Ukraine, we all expected it, I think, to just be days, maybe a week,
00:20:03.180 maybe a month.
00:20:03.900 But as long as it's gone on, I think we all overestimated, and correct me if I'm wrong,
00:20:07.940 Russia's power on the military level.
00:20:11.620 You know, we anticipated, I think they had a lot more soldiers than they really had, a
00:20:16.120 lot more military arsenal than they really had.
00:20:19.760 How does Russia, they can't even win a war against Ukraine.
00:20:24.180 I mean, they're winning it, you know, on its face right now, but they can't finish the
00:20:27.460 deal of what they want to accomplish.
00:20:29.120 How does Russia now get into a war over in the Philippines or Taiwan?
00:20:34.160 How do they even afford it?
00:20:35.180 Well, they've got a Pacific fleet, and, you know, it's more, I think, that because Xi 0.96
00:20:41.800 Jinping has been providing substantial assistance to Russia's war effort in Ukraine, Putin just 0.91
00:20:47.100 can't say no.
00:20:48.640 You know, Putin might not want to go to war in East Asia, but I don't think he really
00:20:53.860 has a choice.
00:20:55.580 So right now, you know, you're absolutely right.
00:20:58.540 We all overestimated Russia's ability.
00:21:01.220 I thought that, you know, Russia would take Kiev in a week, you know, two weeks at the
00:21:07.840 most.
00:21:08.400 And we know that didn't happen.
00:21:10.580 So, you know, right now, Russia is bogged down.
00:21:14.300 You know, it's making some gains in the Donbass, but it's losing in the Kursk area.
00:21:21.380 And clearly, Russia's taking a beating.
00:21:24.060 So, yeah, they're having a real hard time staying in this war.
00:21:26.980 So you're absolutely right about that.
00:21:28.360 Yeah, I don't want to equate it to, like, if the U.S. would evade Mexico, but the war
00:21:34.260 just doesn't make sense to me, Russia and Ukraine, and how it's gone on for so long.
00:21:38.640 I mean, Ukraine's getting a crap ton of money from America and other nations.
00:21:43.080 Could be the reason the war's still going on.
00:21:44.780 I'm not entirely sure.
00:21:45.920 It's above my pay grade.
00:21:47.100 I want to take a quick break here.
00:21:48.200 When we return, I want to talk about the declining birth rates in China.
00:21:51.360 And now China putting a pause on anyone adopting Chinese children.
00:21:54.860 I also want to take up what happens if Kamala Harris wins, what that means for America and
00:22:01.260 China relations.
00:22:02.120 We're talking with Gordon Chang.
00:22:03.160 Stay with us.
00:22:09.400 We're back.
00:22:10.160 We're talking with Gordon Chang.
00:22:11.320 Gordon, before we went to break, I said that we were talking about the China birth rates
00:22:15.420 in decline.
00:22:17.000 Apparently, China's turning their kindergartens into nursing homes now as they, you know, 0.89
00:22:21.480 have a very big birth rate collapse.
00:22:23.920 But it's not just China.
00:22:25.100 It's America, too.
00:22:25.880 Nobody's talking about that.
00:22:27.220 You know, you have abortion centers on every corner. 0.94
00:22:29.080 The Democrats wanting to abort every child that's inside the womb of a woman.
00:22:33.840 What does this mean for China now that they've stopped now allowing foreigners to adopt Chinese
00:22:40.400 children?
00:22:40.820 What it means for China is that the country is in long-term, almost irreversible decline.
00:22:48.040 China now has a population of about 1.4 billion.
00:22:52.740 By the turn of the century, China could be 488, 490 million people, maybe a little bit more.
00:23:03.040 Most estimates put China at a higher figure.
00:23:05.860 But we're seeing a collapse in the total fertility rate.
00:23:10.640 We're seeing all sorts of signs which indicate that China will lose somewhere on the order
00:23:16.100 of two-thirds of its population between now and the time the clock strikes 2100.
00:23:21.740 This will be the steepest decline in history in the absence of war or disease.
00:23:27.640 And we have little idea how it's going to affect Chinese society.
00:23:32.300 Because no country has gone through this unless it's been ravaged by a war or disease.
00:23:39.820 So right now, but it means that, you know, China is going to be a small, mid-sized country
00:23:47.900 by the turn of the century.
00:23:49.680 It's not going to be the behemoth that everybody envisions now.
00:23:53.000 And that has so many geopolitical and other consequences.
00:23:56.220 Yeah, they're calling it a, quote, severely aging society by 2035, even before the turn
00:24:02.560 of the century at 2021.
00:24:04.400 I mean, how does China get to this?
00:24:05.960 I mean, this is a nation, as we just said before, that, I mean, they do everything to
00:24:09.920 tell you, even up and to tell you how to hold your fork and knife.
00:24:13.880 How do you get to a situation now where you have a country that depends on its military
00:24:19.840 and its citizens to be enrolled in its military and ready to fight at any moment?
00:24:24.060 How do you get into a situation like this now where, like you said, at the turn of the
00:24:28.020 century, they're in big trouble?
00:24:29.880 They're even saying now by 2035 and just 11 years, they're even bigger trouble.
00:24:34.820 How does it get to that point?
00:24:36.580 You know, at one point, China was telling you how many kids you were allowed to have,
00:24:39.280 how many boys you're allowed to have, and girls.
00:24:41.980 Now we're at a situation where they don't even want to get rid of their own people. 0.99
00:24:46.900 Yeah, it got into this in two different ways, John.
00:24:49.880 One of them was the one-child policy that was put into effect at the end of the 1970s.
00:24:55.620 You know, before that, China had a total fertility rate, which is the average number of children
00:24:59.960 per female who's reached childbearing age.
00:25:03.060 They had a total fertility rate in somewhere like 5.9 or something, very high.
00:25:09.660 And then essentially what they said was, look, people can only have one child.
00:25:14.820 So that certainly had a big effect.
00:25:16.960 And there was decades of indoctrination.
00:25:19.340 But they ended the one-China policy in the end of 2015.
00:25:25.000 And the Chinese people did not respond by an increase in fertility rates.
00:25:30.980 And the reason is that there's been pessimism in Chinese society.
00:25:35.380 Right now there's a gloom where people are just opting out,
00:25:39.760 which is one of the reasons why we have so many Chinese people
00:25:42.600 trying to get into other countries, including ours, by the way.
00:25:46.800 So really what this shows is, you know, Chinese people just do not want to reproduce. 1.00
00:25:52.980 This was highlighted last year when a viral video of a Chinese male,
00:25:59.400 basically early 30s, looking into the camera and saying,
00:26:03.740 I love my son so much, I will not allow him to be born into this society.
00:26:10.540 Wow.
00:26:10.660 So that's the mentality of the Chinese people right now.
00:26:15.800 I mean, you look at everything that goes on in China.
00:26:18.480 And I mean, you could say the same thing for America.
00:26:20.840 Who the hell wants to have kids today? 1.00
00:26:22.220 You're putting them into a society where when they're born, 0.83
00:26:24.920 you don't know if they're male or female.
00:26:27.360 In China, you have a child born. 0.98
00:26:29.640 And, you know, if they're a Muslim, they could end up in a concentration camp.
00:26:33.560 You know, I just don't understand, you know, how we got to this point. 0.85
00:26:39.300 And it's not only China's fault. 0.86
00:26:41.200 It's America's fault, too, for propping them up for so long.
00:26:44.160 I want to turn to Tim Waltz, who spent years promoting a research facility
00:26:48.140 that collaborated with the Chinese military.
00:26:51.240 Talk to me about this, Gordon.
00:26:52.480 What does it mean for a Waltz-Harris administration and China?
00:26:56.600 Because if you're reading the New York Times, they say that Tim Waltz's long-term relationship
00:27:02.520 with China defies easy stereotypes.
00:27:05.660 What does that even mean?
00:27:08.200 Well, I believe that Tim Waltz is a true believer.
00:27:12.280 And we've seen this, you know, in the 1990s, the following decade,
00:27:17.500 when he was running high school students to China to be exposed to Communist Party propaganda,
00:27:22.000 he could not have conducted those operations without the approval of the
00:27:26.340 Communist Party's United Front Work Department, which is the part of the party that subverts
00:27:31.020 foreign governments. 1.00
00:27:32.560 Now, Tim Waltz could make an argument saying, I was just young and naive and stupid. 0.99
00:27:37.220 But the problem is, we've seen this with Daily Caller reporting of August 27th, 0.99
00:27:42.060 that Tim Waltz, as governor of Minnesota, has maintained continuous contacts with United
00:27:48.800 Front Work Department front organizations in Minnesota.
00:27:53.300 So clearly, this is something that he believes in.
00:27:55.780 And also, you know, we've heard Tim Waltz recently say that socialism is just like being a good
00:28:00.720 neighbor.
00:28:02.040 So these are long-held beliefs.
00:28:05.260 And if their ticket wins in November, that means we may have a communist sympathizer one
00:28:12.080 heartbeat away from the Oval Office. 0.55
00:28:14.300 What's amusing to me, and it's not really amusing, but it's just the hypocrisy of it all.
00:28:19.840 Tim Waltz last week was at an event for inclusivity, and it was nonetheless an LGBTQXYZ event where,
00:28:29.020 you know, he was promoting Get Out, and that these people should, you know, be able to do this
00:28:32.980 freely and XYZ.
00:28:34.020 But what you didn't hear about is the Uyghur camps.
00:28:36.780 And while he worked with China for years, I mean, that's something now that's come to light
00:28:41.560 like it hasn't ever in the past.
00:28:43.840 And it's thanks to people like you.
00:28:45.840 But a lot of people still don't know what Uyghur camps are.
00:28:49.160 Tell the audience, if you will, Gordon, for those who don't know, what China does to these 0.96
00:28:52.680 people that they're putting in concentration camps?
00:28:55.780 China, especially since 2017, has been committing crimes against humanity against the Uyghurs,
00:29:03.780 Kazakhs, and other Turkic minorities.
00:29:06.340 And this has been such a fierce campaign that it actually constitutes genocide, as it's defined
00:29:13.000 in the Genocide Convention.
00:29:15.020 They've detained millions.
00:29:16.860 We don't know exactly how many, but could be somewhere between two and three million Uyghurs
00:29:22.080 and Kazakhs and others in concentration camp facilities.
00:29:25.780 They have made sure that the Uyghurs can't reproduce. 1.00
00:29:29.660 They've been imprisoning children. 0.97
00:29:32.120 As official policy, there's official policy of rape of Uyghur women. 0.95
00:29:37.180 There's been torture, brutality, murder.
00:29:40.480 We know that because they built a crematorium between two of these detention facilities.
00:29:48.280 So this is an attempt to eliminate Uyghur culture and identity. 1.00
00:29:53.720 They're doing the same thing more or less with Tibetans.
00:29:58.020 And they're now starting in earnest against the Mongolians. 0.70
00:30:01.540 So this is a program countrywide to eliminate minority consciousness. 0.79
00:30:08.040 Yeah, and this is obviously something that's pushed by.
00:30:12.800 And it's only these bad people you see in America who are doing business with China.
00:30:16.280 And I mean, personal business, the Biden crime family, the Clintons, the Tim Walz family.
00:30:22.640 I want to wrap up with Donald Trump and his return to the White House.
00:30:26.200 We talked about a little bit earlier.
00:30:27.700 He's valuing up to 100 percent tariff on countries ditching the U.S. dollar.
00:30:31.920 He's saying, quote, you don't leave the dollar.
00:30:34.440 You leave the dollar and you're not doing business with the United States because we're going to put 100 percent tariff on your goods.
00:30:40.480 He's tired of China's currency manipulation, which we've fallen prey to over the last few years.
00:30:45.240 If we do see 100 percent tariff placed on goods from China and countries that are taking advantage of America, what does that mean for America and what does it mean for China?
00:30:55.260 Well, for China, it probably means the end of their economy, because Xi Jinping has put his fate into the hands of those countries that buy Chinese goods.
00:31:06.080 And we're the biggest market for that.
00:31:08.600 And it means that we have a chance of ending the communist threat without the use of force. 0.73
00:31:15.320 This is, I think, really good policy.
00:31:18.500 Now, some people may say it's dangerous.
00:31:20.080 And I'll say, yeah, of course, it's dangerous.
00:31:22.040 But because of five decades of truly misguided and horrible American policy towards China, or at least one can say three decades of very, very bad policy toward China, every option we have is dangerous right now.
00:31:38.240 And so I think President Trump has the right idea.
00:31:42.120 It is the only way that we're going to get out of this without war, in my view.
00:31:46.940 Yeah, I think November 5th is America's, you know, saving grace day or, you know, it's day of detriment.
00:31:54.740 And hopefully Americans go to the polls that day and, you know, they vote their conscience, because I don't think we could live another four years of what we've seen, because it's only going to get worse from here.
00:32:04.800 And who knows how much worse it will really get.
00:32:07.300 Gordon Chang, he's got an old new book out.
00:32:09.220 It's out October 1st, but it's available for preorder now.
00:32:12.400 Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.99
00:32:14.740 Gordon, thanks so much for joining us today.
00:32:16.940 Thank you so much, John.
00:32:18.500 Thanks, everybody, for being with us.
00:32:19.840 And thanks to Gordon Chang.
00:32:21.020 Be sure to preorder his book now, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
00:32:25.460 It's out October 1st, but available for preorder now.
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