The Great America Show - POLLAK ON THE BIGGEST SCANDAL AND COVER-UP IN U.S. HISTORY

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

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00:00:14.280 Hello, everybody, and here we go. Welcome to the Great America Show. Great to have you with us.

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00:00:39.460 Here's where we seem to be. The Truckers Freedom Convoy, resolving peacefully, at least on the Ambassador Bridge,

00:00:47.680 that is now clear and commerce once again moving between Canada and the United States.

00:00:52.860 We're told some two dozen protesters were arrested over the past 24 hours.

00:00:58.960 But in Ottawa, some eight hours driving time from the Ambassador Bridge, the Freedom Convoy protests go on.

00:01:06.580 And good for the truckers, who are demonstrating against vaccine mandates and an imperious authoritarian government. 0.94

00:01:13.640 And they're all too precious and princely Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who is an insufferable, preening, poppin' jay, and reliably useless.

00:01:24.240 All he has to do is say, no more mandates. Get on with it, Mr. Trudeau. 0.89

00:01:31.340 Turning to Russia and its strongman, Vladimir Putin, there is no word of an invasion of Ukraine.

00:01:38.040 Not yet, not even, as President Joe Biden would have it, a minor incursion.

00:01:44.680 That's a bit like my grandfather, Dr. Dobbs, used to say of surgery.

00:01:49.340 Someone else's surgery may be minor, but your own is always major.

00:01:54.480 Putin, despite the view from the White House and corporate news media,

00:01:58.480 has already accomplished much without so much as firing a single shot.

00:02:03.720 And the witless West has been oblivious as he's carried out de facto annexations of Belarus, 0.67

00:02:11.020 where he already has 30,000 of his troops in place, in position, and ready to go.

00:02:16.720 And Moldova, where he has several more Russian brigades in reserve.

00:02:21.640 In plain English, if Putin chooses not to invade Ukraine,

00:02:25.500 he has successfully already pressed Russia's borders outward, 0.67

00:02:29.840 effectively annexing Belarus to the north and Moldova to the south of Ukraine.

00:02:36.720 And nary a word, a single word, from the European Union, NATO, or for that matter, the Biden White House.

00:02:44.480 The only open question, it seems to me, is it enough for Putin?

00:02:48.440 Or does he want even more, ever more?

00:02:51.180 I personally believe Putin's calculations have already proved he's taken into account and discount

00:02:57.480 Biden's weakness and his own strategic geographic advantages.

00:03:02.560 His foreign minister, Sergei Viktorovich Lavrov, is counseling him now to permit diplomacy to go on,

00:03:10.660 to play out, which suggests Putin is very much already aware of his fait accomplis

00:03:16.860 and the success that has secured his and Russia's interest in blunting the Western expansion of Europe's influence.

00:03:24.920 We shall see and hope.

00:03:27.740 And over the weekend, Special Counsel John Durham, making it very clear that Russiagate,

00:03:32.460 the Russian hoax, and the Ukrainian hoax as well,

00:03:35.660 are very likely now to be revealed for what they possibly were.

00:03:39.880 A Clinton-Democrat-Obama-inspired conspiracy to stop Donald Trump's presidential campaign

00:03:47.440 and to overthrow his presidency.

00:03:50.400 With us today is Breitbart, senior editor-at-large, author of one of my favorite books,

00:03:56.000 among the many that he's authored, The Trumpian Virtues.

00:03:59.720 Welcome to The Great America Show, Joel Pollack.

00:04:02.640 We appreciate your time and great to have you with us.

00:04:06.360 It's great to be with you, Lou.

00:04:07.180 Let's start, if we may, with the Freedom Convoy.

00:04:12.360 That demonstration has now gone global.

00:04:16.060 It has, I think, really motivated a lot of people, even in America right now,

00:04:21.800 which is sort of protest on the right averted.

00:04:27.880 Let me try that again.

00:04:29.020 I think it has motivated everyone in this country who is now concerned about vaccine mandates,

00:04:38.360 the people who are rising up to say to this government,

00:04:41.920 you've gone too far, far too authoritarian,

00:04:45.180 and that is what's happening around the globe.

00:04:48.020 Your thoughts?

00:04:48.580 It's fascinating that Canada is teaching Americans about freedom.

00:04:55.640 It's usually the other way around.

00:04:57.340 But the truckers with their convoy and, might I add, a convoy in sub-zero temperatures,

00:05:03.500 have shown not only that there is some coherence and enthusiasm behind the opposition to these mandates,

00:05:10.940 but also that Justin Trudeau lacks the political will to resolve the crisis in a way that's satisfactory even to his own left-wing allies.

00:05:21.040 He's getting hit from the right and from the left in Canada.

00:05:23.940 Right.

00:05:24.220 And he has trampled basic democratic freedoms.

00:05:27.660 Canada has a charter of rights and freedoms that include the rights to peaceful assembly,

00:05:32.560 right to earn a livelihood, and so forth.

00:05:34.560 And he has violated those.

00:05:36.800 So Canadian public opinion, although it's quite divided on this issue,

00:05:40.340 and many Canadians don't like the tactics used by the truckers,

00:05:43.200 they like things to be nice and orderly and peaceful,

00:05:45.900 Canadian public opinion agrees with the substance of what the truckers are doing.

00:05:50.800 And it's no accident that the Premier of Ontario reversed some of the mandates that they had there.

00:05:59.800 It's no accident that Democrats in the United States, looking at this trucker convoy,

00:06:04.940 decided to drop some of their mask mandates in deep blue states, California, New York, other places.

00:06:10.520 So this really was a signal of the degree of opposition to these mandates.

00:06:15.660 People are okay with individuals taking precautions for themselves,

00:06:18.680 but they don't want to be forced to do it, and they don't want to be threatened with losing their jobs if they disagree.

00:06:23.380 There are two instances there in which Joe Biden again revealed himself to all of America,

00:06:28.700 and the contrast with the Joe Biden who campaigned in 2020 for the office he holds.

00:06:34.660 And one is saying to those governors who are already distancing themselves from the falling Biden,

00:06:43.100 and his authoritarian style of government,

00:06:47.460 they're saying mandates are at an end, and we are separating from your CDC and all of your nonsense,

00:06:53.280 and Fauci can go do whatever he must, but he's not going to counsel us.

00:06:58.300 And with the Canadians, where Biden said to Trudeau, get tough, do whatever you have to,

00:07:04.620 to clear the ambassador bridge.

00:07:06.540 There's something else that Biden has been saying, or at least the Biden administration.

00:07:11.820 They have now decided to spin history, to rewrite history,

00:07:15.800 and to say that Biden was never in favor of lockdowns.

00:07:19.840 Jen Psaki, the press secretary, even tried to argue that most of the lockdowns happened under the previous president,

00:07:25.840 as if Trump had supported them.

00:07:27.360 Of course, Trump was opposed to the lockdowns.

00:07:29.160 He did start the two-week or 15 days to stop the spread, but that's when this was just beginning,

00:07:35.220 and afterwards he campaigned for people to open their economies.

00:07:37.660 He fought the blue state governors all the way.

00:07:40.000 And Biden campaigned from his basement for most of 2020.

00:07:43.160 We're supposed to believe now that he was opposed to lockdowns.

00:07:46.380 That shows you how toxic the draconian measures of some of these blue state governors and mayors have become politically.

00:07:53.900 Democrats know it, and so they're trying to blame Trump for the lockdowns.

00:07:57.760 It's absurd, but enough of them, I suppose, are going to cling to that lifeboat.

00:08:02.580 Well, and we know full well that the leftists, even Marxist, corporate-owned media will support entirely whatever revision that he prefers

00:08:15.340 and dutifully go about structuring an avenue of escape for him.

00:08:22.600 I don't think it'll work, but I think we all understand that's exactly the play that they will bring.

00:08:29.500 Right. They won't fact-check that statement.

00:08:32.000 Maybe one or two will, but they will leave it alone and move on to the next thing.

00:08:35.760 That's usually what happens when a narrative that helps Democrats is so absurd as to be unbelievable

00:08:43.040 or is simply shown to be untrue.

00:08:45.700 We saw that with the Russia collusion story and so forth.

00:08:48.220 They just forget about it and move on.

00:08:50.100 There's no accountability, and that's going to happen with this as well.

00:08:53.180 They're going to claim that it was Trump who caused the lockdowns or was behind the lockdowns,

00:08:58.320 and Biden wants to open up the economy, when in fact it was exactly the opposite.

00:09:01.820 Everybody knows that Biden's core voters, the sort of liberal gentry, were the most pro-lockdown, pro-mask, pro-mandates of any constituency in the country. 0.99

00:09:11.560 Many of them are still there in that mindset, and they are aghast at what they're seeing their governors do.

00:09:17.400 They don't like the truckers.

00:09:18.520 They don't like the popular opposition to some of these mandates, even though the mandates don't really improve coronavirus results.

00:09:26.140 We've seen that time and time again, these mandates are largely the result of policymakers wanting to assert their control

00:09:32.960 rather than any response to scientific evidence that they work.

00:09:36.700 The science that we were to follow, all of us, has really betrayed us because it turns out it wasn't science.

00:09:45.000 It wasn't peer-reviewed.

00:09:46.680 It was not careful and thoughtfully and within a duration studied.

00:09:51.720 It's stunning that I will never forget Dr. Fauci declaring himself to be science,

00:10:00.260 which is one of the most extraordinary moments I think any of us have seen,

00:10:05.560 when in point of fact, the science is proving that most of the early science was utterly upside down and wrongheaded.

00:10:14.700 Americans have a bias toward what works. 0.78

00:10:18.420 So there's no pro or...

00:10:20.180 God bless us.

00:10:20.380 Yeah, the pro or anti-science bias is not really a thing.

00:10:25.500 In a pandemic or in a crisis, people want solutions that work.

00:10:29.880 So they will take the scientific information into account and they'll weight it based on probability.

00:10:36.180 What do we know about this?

00:10:37.140 How likely is it to be true?

00:10:38.940 And we balance it against the economic costs of doing some of what the scientists suggest we ought to do.

00:10:45.540 This is everyday decision-making.

00:10:47.360 If you go to your doctor and you have, God forbid, some kind of an illness, you will explore different options.

00:10:52.640 You could take a more invasive, drastic option for the illness you have, but that could put you out of work for a while.

00:10:57.780 Or you could try something more light, something a little bit less likely to work perhaps, but one that will allow you to stay on the job or continue to enjoy certain activities, whatever it is.

00:11:10.080 We make these cost-benefit analyses in our own lives, and that's what people expected from the people making public policy during the pandemic.

00:11:17.140 As long as Fauci was held in check by some of the economic advisors on Trump's team who were pointing out some of the severe costs of doing what Fauci wanted to do, you had more of a balance.

00:11:27.660 And Trump, to his great credit, decentralized the management of this crisis.

00:11:31.880 There was a great article by Christopher DeMuth in The Wall Street Journal in 2020 pointing out how Trump, unlike all of his predecessors, Republicans and Democrats,

00:11:41.060 Trump had not increased the power of the federal government to deal with the pandemic.

00:11:45.920 He did some sweeping things, there was some spending and so forth, but he actually decentralized the management of the pandemic.

00:11:52.040 So he preserved the ability of the states to experiment with different models.

00:11:56.140 We saw the Florida model, we saw the New York model, we saw which one worked.

00:11:59.640 And there was a balance in the Trump administration's approach.

00:12:03.260 He also, with Operation Warp Speech, tried to experiment with different therapeutics, different vaccines.

00:12:09.220 He invested in things before he knew they would work because he wanted to be ready for whatever contingency arose in the future.

00:12:15.040 Biden threw that all out the window.

00:12:16.900 With the Biden administration, we got the old habits of increasing the power of the government, mandating things, regulating things, and putting all of their eggs in one basket.

00:12:26.160 They took the vaccine program that Trump left them and they said, that's going to be our ticket out of here.

00:12:31.400 They ignored the therapeutics.

00:12:33.220 They ignored testing, which was a big campaign talking point for Biden.

00:12:36.740 They did not put any effort into developing these alternatives.

00:12:41.340 They tried to shut down states that were doing something different.

00:12:45.040 Biden called it Neanderthal when Texas and Florida and some other states decided to drop some of the mask mandates.

00:12:50.360 There was this resistance to anything that resembled state autonomy, decentralization.

00:12:55.700 And Fauci was made all powerful.

00:12:57.640 And that's when things really went wrong.

00:12:58.980 Not only did it increase division in American society, but it actually made the response to the pandemic worse.

00:13:04.660 Because every mistake that the federal government made was now compounded.

00:13:08.900 When they suspended the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, for example, that increased vaccine hesitancy.

00:13:14.820 When they decided they weren't going to buy tests several months ago, that meant they weren't prepared for the Omicron variant when it arrived.

00:13:22.320 All of these decisions were made because they increased the power of the central government and they gave scientists absolute authority.

00:13:29.120 But you need balance.

00:13:30.640 Science is not the only value, not the only virtue.

00:13:33.660 You have to balance it with economics.

00:13:35.620 You have to balance it with moral philosophy.

00:13:37.860 You have to balance it with a sense of what people's preferences are.

00:13:40.860 Sometimes people will prefer a different course and you have to take that into account.

00:13:45.240 There are people who would rather be free and face a greater risk of infection.

00:13:49.320 Free to open their businesses, free to go to work.

00:13:51.320 There are people who would rather do that.

00:13:52.860 Now, it does affect other people, which is the point where Democrats complain that's the problem with dropping these mandates.

00:13:58.400 You're not just affecting your own health.

00:13:59.660 It could be affecting someone else's health by transmitting the disease.

00:14:02.620 But we have had so much experience in dealing with it that we can account for all of that.

00:14:07.180 We can account for it.

00:14:08.020 But it's also interesting to me, Joel, that, in fact, as hyper-frothing, as many on the left were, talking about your endangering all of society with your hard-headed insistence on no vaccination.

00:14:26.640 It turns out that the number of people who did contract Omicron did so, in many cases, with double and triple vaccinations.

00:14:38.440 And, in fact, there is still open science on whether or not those vaccinations made them susceptible, increasingly susceptible, to the wave of Omicron.

00:14:50.440 Right. And, again, you need a variety of strategies because the reliance on the vaccine alone meant that once the vaccine could not contain these breakthrough infections, you had no other alternatives.

00:15:05.820 Trump talked about therapeutics all the time.

00:15:08.740 Whenever you heard Trump talk about coronavirus or Kayleigh McEnany in the press briefing room, they were always talking about not just Operation Warp Speed, but they were talking about therapeutics.

00:15:17.700 They were talking about disavir.

00:15:19.600 They were talking about experimental ideas.

00:15:21.740 I mean, you got Regeneron talking about hydroxychloroquine.

00:15:27.820 Yeah, whether it works or not.

00:15:29.040 I mean, the thing with hydroxychloroquine was that it wasn't harmful, at least.

00:15:33.100 It had been used for so many decades without serious side effects from most people.

00:15:37.200 And so we were in the middle of the pandemic at that point.

00:15:40.280 And so Trump was willing to try anything.

00:15:42.640 Now, Democrats were the ones spreading fear at that time.

00:15:45.640 You had governors in New York and California.

00:15:48.420 You had Kamala Harris, Joe Biden talking about how they would not trust the vaccine.

00:15:52.200 They needed to test it again and all sorts of nonsense.

00:15:54.660 But that was just about political power.

00:15:56.680 Once Trump was out of office, they decided that it was their vaccine and they were responsible for it.

00:16:01.740 But again, that desire for power meant that they ignored the other alternatives.

00:16:06.120 They didn't want to be part of the therapeutics that Trump was there developing.

00:16:09.200 And so this conglomeration, this accumulation of power is not good for public policy.

00:16:17.020 We need a balance and you need a decentralized approach, which is what will remain so remarkable about what Trump did in 2020.

00:16:24.420 We need a vigorous American system of government, a constitutional republic and federalism that is honored, not the target of the Marxist left in this country.

00:16:41.660 And no one should make any mistake about this.

00:16:43.940 This is a strain of Marxism running throughout not only the political left in this country, but also through corporate America, through our permanent bureaucracy as well.

00:16:54.360 And even expressed in simple things like school boards and city council meetings where you will where you see autocrats rising up from from a neighborhood to take over the thinking of an entire community.

00:17:11.140 It's it's it's really quite interesting to see what is happening to this country, not all of it, thank goodness, but and thank God, but much of it.

00:17:23.660 Your thoughts.

00:17:25.520 Well, thankfully, we still have the states.

00:17:28.380 We still have federalism and people have explained the crisis in Canada to me by pointing out that Canada doesn't have a Ron DeSantis.

00:17:35.420 If Canada never had a province that followed a different path, even though the provinces in Canada did have the authority to set their own policies to some degree, even the more conservative Western provinces had vaccine passports and things like that.

00:17:49.720 There was nobody willing to stand outside the consensus and say, we're going to try things a different way.

00:17:54.740 And Ron DeSantis in Florida took all kinds of heat for that.

00:17:57.780 He was constantly the obsession of the Washington media.

00:18:01.320 In fact, the White House press corps seemed eager to ask the Biden press representatives to attack Ron DeSantis rather than asking the White House what they were what Biden was doing and why he was failing.

00:18:14.220 But that's the beauty of the American system, the preservation of federalism and the authority of the states.

00:18:21.640 It is under attack from Democrats.

00:18:23.220 It's under attack from both sides, really, of the establishment in Washington.

00:18:26.500 But it is what allowed this country to pull itself out of the depths of the coronavirus recession.

00:18:31.920 You know, when Florida and Texas started opening, that's when the jobs started coming back.

00:18:36.240 It's also a national press corps, a corporate press corps.

00:18:42.200 And there's I overuse the expression for perhaps.

00:18:46.560 But to me, first and foremost, the national media is left wing.

00:18:53.460 It is Marxist.

00:18:55.400 It is corporate owned.

00:18:57.340 And it is suffocating because it is also caught up in the economics of it all.

00:19:03.160 It's much easier to put a bit of a wag in a White House press corps and send his or her bill back to the network headquarters for their strong efforts in asking predictable questions with predictable answers than it is to go out to Austin, Texas, or to Atlanta, Georgia,

00:19:27.200 to start finding out what's happening with the state legislature, what is happening with the governor's office and what are the effects of policies.

00:19:36.920 It's really it's it's television network economics and corporate America politics at work to really deprive the public of their right to know your thoughts.

00:19:50.500 You know, Holman Jenkins of The Wall Street Journal had a column on Saturday that was very interesting.

00:19:55.780 He pointed out that the reason corporate media behave the way they do is because they've become like other bureaucracies.

00:20:02.420 And for bureaucrats, the main point is to learn which behaviors get you ahead, which behaviors get you promoted within the hierarchy.

00:20:09.900 So when the people at the top have these left wing views, that's the view the organization adopts.

00:20:15.260 These individuals eager to get ahead, to get the next promotion, to get a slot behind the anchors desk or whatever the prize is that they're reaching for.

00:20:23.000 They start doing and repeating the things that they think their superiors want to hear.

00:20:27.960 They're not thinking about the readers or the viewers anymore.

00:20:30.280 They're thinking about their own career prospects.

00:20:32.680 And so the tone is set by people like CNN's executive management, for example, which made their network into an anti-Trump channel all the time.

00:20:41.360 You saw competent journalists, formerly respected journalists like Jake Tapper, start to become anti-Trump obsessives.

00:20:49.920 And it has destroyed their reputations.

00:20:52.060 But that's how people behave in large bureaucracies.

00:20:55.500 And that's the problem with how corporate media have started to operate in this country.

00:21:00.260 They have basically started to operate like government institutions.

00:21:03.280 And people learn what behaviors get them ahead rather than focusing on doing their jobs.

00:21:09.240 Yeah, Jake Tapper, something of a reform flack, is not always the first standard to which I would repair when talking about independent objective journalism.

00:21:21.980 But I take your meaning.

00:21:23.840 In that particular gathering at CNN, he was one of the brighter talents, I think.

00:21:31.980 I think that's a fair statement.

00:21:33.880 Let's turn to Putin and what has been made of all of the disinformation, misinformation,

00:21:43.000 the lies, the cheating and stealing of the propaganda wars between Moscow and Washington.

00:21:49.820 And we are sitting here still waiting for what, hysterically, Biden had said would be an imminent invasion based on the best intelligence that money can buy.

00:22:00.560 I assume that he was not talking about our agencies.

00:22:05.080 Right.

00:22:05.780 Well, you don't know.

00:22:06.900 I mean, our agencies are not terribly well-respected anymore, given their behavior over the last few years.

00:22:13.640 But we don't really know what's going to happen in Ukraine.

00:22:17.040 What's interesting is that, of course, the Ukrainian leaders are telling anyone who will listen that they don't think an invasion is imminent.

00:22:23.820 And maybe there's some self-interest in that because they don't want their country to panic.

00:22:27.980 They don't want people to leave.

00:22:29.080 They don't want people to start dumping currency and things like that.

00:22:32.940 But the reality is that Biden has tried to set off alarm bells.

00:22:39.020 He has tried to panic everybody.

00:22:40.700 They keep using this word imminent, imminent invasion.

00:22:44.180 Jake Sullivan coming to the White House press briefing room late last week and telling everyone that an invasion was possible within 24 to 48 hours.

00:22:53.700 And, of course, the weekend's gone by and there's no invasion.

00:22:55.680 They might say, well, see, that's a sign that what we're doing is working because by warning about these things, we make sure they don't happen.

00:23:00.640 But they are just dialing up the alarm.

00:23:05.320 And, you know, by this time next week, we could see an invasion.

00:23:08.860 It's entirely possible.

00:23:11.020 What's interesting is that this never happened under four years of Donald Trump, that we never saw this kind of a crisis on the boundaries of NATO because Vladimir Putin respected Trump and he didn't know what Trump would do.

00:23:24.800 Now we have instead of the Russians trying to figure us out, we're trying to figure the Russians out. 0.88

00:23:29.640 And every time Biden is asked about this, he says, well, we don't know what Vladimir Putin is going to do.

00:23:33.440 It's almost as if he's advertising how poor our intelligence is.

00:23:36.920 We ought to keep that close to our chest if we really think that's the situation.

00:23:40.900 If we really think that it's hard to figure out what Putin is going to do, we shouldn't tell the rest of the world that we should make it clear what we are going to do.

00:23:47.700 And I think that Biden has not made it clear that our allies are safe.

00:23:52.940 Look what happened in Afghanistan and so forth.

00:23:56.140 Yeah, I mean, I do not understand why anyone would take anything said by this White House, this president, to heart.

00:24:04.200 He hasn't been right about anything.

00:24:07.360 As Bob Gates, former Secretary of Defense, he served Democratic and Republican administrations with distinction, a bright fellow, Texas A&M president.

00:24:20.180 And the scholar in him couldn't resist.

00:24:22.660 He had to say about Biden that the man hasn't been right on any foreign policy issue for 40 years.

00:24:30.040 And here he is holding forth and indeed in charge of that foreign policy.

00:24:34.920 The man is so enfeebled, so weak, he can't get across a stage without guidance and assistance.

00:24:42.820 And we are pretending that he's the president of the United States in full power, in peak performance mode as we confront a possible national security crisis.

00:24:56.500 It's not that yet, but it was, given the behavior of this White House.

00:25:02.640 It's abominable what we're watching, that performance.

00:25:08.120 Jen Psaki saying that the U.S. Army report on the Afghan withdrawal didn't exist.

00:25:14.340 The president of the United States saying he rejects it in its entirety.

00:25:18.480 I mean, we're dealing with something here we've never seen before.

00:25:24.140 Right.

00:25:24.720 Any independent agency that produces a report they don't like is somehow discredited, like the CBO talking about how the Build Back Better bill was going to explode the deficit.

00:25:35.300 Well, they weren't to be trusted anymore.

00:25:37.140 We have these other economists we want you to talk to.

00:25:39.040 So that's been the Biden administration's approach.

00:25:41.740 But there's an additional element when it comes to foreign policy, which is not only has he shown bad judgment, but we don't know whether he's bought and paid for in these various situations because it's coming out.

00:25:55.060 And my colleague, Peter Schweitzer at Breitbart, has written a book about it called Red Handed.

00:25:58.660 It's coming out with Peter.

00:26:00.340 We've discussed his book for some time.

00:26:02.660 And by the way, it's a continuation of his reporting on the Biden family, on the dreaded influence, the pervasive influence in this country of the CCP.

00:26:14.360 It is stunning that what they have gotten away with, they being the Bidens, the Democrats, the left wing and corporate America and Wall Street.

00:26:23.940 Yeah. And the media, which invented commercial interests for Donald Trump in Russia, at the slightest hint of fake news from the Steele dossier or from law enforcement that turned out to be lying to the public and so forth, they would claim that Trump or his family were getting money and so forth.

00:26:46.420 Meanwhile, Hunter Biden rakes in millions from China, from Russia, from Ukraine.

00:26:52.340 And these questions are never asked.

00:26:54.400 And during the impeachment investigation, the first impeachment, it emerged that the State Department had actually raised the issue of Joe Biden's conflict of interest in Ukraine.

00:27:05.660 And they were told to call the vice president's office.

00:27:09.460 And when they called Joe Biden's office, they were told he's mourning his son, Beau Biden.

00:27:14.880 And they never got an answer.

00:27:16.560 They just never got an answer to what was a glaring conflict of interest.

00:27:20.300 The Bidens thrive on these conflicts of interest.

00:27:22.400 And so when you look back at Biden's history of being wrong on foreign policy, you now have to look at the wealth his family has accumulated and ask whether some of his very poor judgments on foreign policy were actually bought and paid for by people willing to bankroll the Biden family budget.

00:27:38.800 No, I think your point is absolutely exact.

00:27:41.620 Now, let's talk about what is, unfortunately, its subtext rather than the glaring, bright headline that it should be everywhere.

00:27:54.900 And that is John Durham's motion and filings Friday, in which he reveals the charges against Hillary Clinton, a technology company, Democratic lawyers, and their role in trying to first block a presidential candidate, Donald Trump, and then overthrow a president, the very same Donald J. Trump.

00:28:24.900 Your reaction?

00:28:27.120 So there are definitely more charges coming.

00:28:30.020 We don't know if Hillary Clinton herself is going to be charged, but we certainly can anticipate, based on Durham's filing, that there is other illegal activity that he's aware of, and he has a lot of evidence.

00:28:40.880 As you said, Clinton operatives spied on candidate Trump and then President Trump using the defense contract that a university, which has been named as Georgia Tech University, that university had housed some servers.

00:28:58.040 They were handling White House traffic and other traffic, and they were able to mine the data to get cell phone data from Trump Tower, the White House, the executive office of the president, and Donald Trump's private residence, and all kinds of other places.

00:29:12.240 That's incredible.

00:29:13.240 And they used that data to create a narrative about Russia collusion.

00:29:17.060 And they did not ignore the – they did not take into account, I should say, the contrary evidence.

00:29:23.060 What they said was, look, there seem to be Russian mobile phone providers that are appearing in the data.

00:29:30.020 Well, those Russian mobile phone providers had been appearing in data all over the United States since 2014.

00:29:35.940 It had nothing to do with Trump.

00:29:36.900 It wasn't as if the only people who were registering these Russian addresses were doing so at Trump Tower.

00:29:42.560 This was almost background radiation, you can say, just everywhere, starting in 2014 under Obama before Trump even got into the race.

00:29:51.240 It had nothing to do with him.

00:29:52.200 But they gave this data to people who then used it to claim that there was secret law enforcement information on Russia collusion.

00:30:00.720 And they made their own false story more credible by saying that we had data on it and we've got the private information, all that sort of thing.

00:30:08.740 And that was the basis for at least some of the Russia collusion allegations.

00:30:15.880 And the media have ignored it.

00:30:17.800 But the fact that this spying continued into the White House makes this scandal, to use a funny cliche, worse than Watergate.

00:30:25.960 Because Watergate was about a break-in at the Democratic National Committee in 1972 during the election.

00:30:32.420 But this is essentially a break-in and a surveillance of Trump's campaign, his personal cell phone that continued beyond the 2016 campaign and into the presidency itself.

00:30:44.480 They spied on the president of the United States.

00:30:47.140 And there's no interest in the mainstream media about this.

00:30:50.260 Fox News covered it.

00:30:51.220 But CBS, NBC, ABC, the others, they just ignored it on their Sunday news shows, as Newsbusters has documented.

00:30:58.540 They don't want to acknowledge this because doing so would acknowledge their own culpability.

00:31:04.340 They believed this.

00:31:05.460 They repeated these stories.

00:31:06.940 They published these stories.

00:31:07.820 They've never been held accountable for it.

00:31:10.420 Well, we are still in the world of fake news.

00:31:14.480 As Donald Trump first labeled it.

00:31:17.120 This is an act that is still hostile on the part of the corporate media to even the thought of Donald Trump running in 2024.

00:31:30.640 MSNBC, a great example.

00:31:32.240 They're arguing the case that Durham lays out in those filings.

00:31:37.500 It's before, and ridiculously so, if I may say, because the reality is the reality.

00:31:44.180 And Durham is being a careful man.

00:31:46.040 He's also being a slow man.

00:31:47.860 I prefer to believe that he's slow with this investigation because he's being so careful because he knows what the blowback will be when he comes down with what evidence it's clear he possesses.

00:32:00.500 But, you know, Ratcliffe is saying point blank to Durham that you've got enough evidence here to bring all sorts of charges.

00:32:10.780 And that is where I, you know, Ratcliffe is, first of all, he's a very good attorney.

00:32:16.440 He was a terrific U.S. attorney as well as a DNI for a very short period of time.

00:32:23.100 He knows whereof he speaks.

00:32:25.220 And there is much, much more here to come because it took a lot of guts for Durham to get this far.

00:32:31.880 It did.

00:32:33.880 And what's interesting is that Netanyahu in Israel, former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, seems to have been targeted in a similar way.

00:32:42.940 He was targeted by Israeli law enforcement officials who were using cell phone spying technology, and they spied on him.

00:32:51.240 They spied on his aides.

00:32:52.400 They used private information to turn some of his aides against him, all of which seems to have been illegal and may invalidate the case against him.

00:32:59.820 With all of that surveillance, by the way, they really came up with nothing.

00:33:02.680 I mean, the corruption charges against Netanyahu are so flimsy, things like he asked a newspaper owner for better media coverage, and he didn't get it.

00:33:11.000 I mean, that's the essence of the charge against him in one of the cases.

00:33:14.420 So they're all ridiculous charges, but now there's an agenda behind them and this use of surveillance by the government.

00:33:21.940 I think at some point they had hundreds of police officers assigned to the case.

00:33:25.340 It tells you there were people within Israel's own version of the deep state who didn't like this populist politician who was rocking the boat.

00:33:33.760 If you listen to Carolyn Glick, who's a great columnist and analyst of these things, she says it was part of the Israeli military establishment that didn't like that Netanyahu was building up the Israeli Navy.

00:33:42.440 Netanyahu saw the Navy as a strategic asset, but in Israel, the Air Force is sort of the king of all the branches, and so they didn't like it.

00:33:50.400 So there are these agendas, and you have the same thing in the United States.

00:33:53.660 Now, we haven't seen a link yet between what Durham's come out with and the actual Obama administration or people in government making these decisions.

00:34:02.260 But we're getting close.

00:34:03.540 We're getting close.

00:34:04.540 There's very interesting timing here, which is that the Clinton operatives went to the tech executives to get them to spy on Trump in July 2016.

00:34:13.900 July 2016 is also the month that we know from congressional testimony that John Brennan and the others in the Obama administration started their investigation into allegations of Russia collusion.

00:34:26.920 What we want to know and need to know is were these things connected?

00:34:30.420 Did the Obama administration's investigation into Russia collusion rope in the Clinton campaign, and did it use the Clinton campaign to get at this cell phone data second or third hand?

00:34:41.740 Because that would then implicate portions of our government, portions of the Obama administration in this spying.

00:34:48.800 And I think we need to figure that out.

00:34:50.960 I agree with you.

00:34:51.640 And, Joel, you know what my first clue on this is, and my jumping off point, the incipient point for me and all of this, the biggest scandal in American history, in my opinion, not just Watergate, the biggest ever.

00:35:05.500 There's only one man who would have had the arrogance, and I think the bandwidth to have laid out such a broad conspiracy.

00:35:16.760 And that arrogance is so – if there were DNA, if there were forensic evidence of a propensity to arrogance and everything he touched, it would be a sure test of Barack H. Obama.

00:35:35.360 There is no question in my mind that he is the starting point.

00:35:40.740 He is the alpha and the omega of this entire sorry scandal that has ruined so much of one presidency.

00:35:49.840 Right, and we still don't know exactly what happened in those early January meetings in the Oval Office where Obama was giving orders to his various subordinates in the closing days of the Obama administration.

00:36:02.320 You know, we hear a lot from the January 6th committee and the Democrats and the media about Trump resisting a peaceful transfer of power, which I don't think he did.

00:36:09.940 I simply think he did not believe, sincerely, that there ought to be a transfer of power because he believed then and believes today that he won the 2020 election.

00:36:19.020 But we did see that Obama, who was termed out anyway, was resisting the authority of the new incoming administration and set all kinds of traps, started all kinds of investigations designed to undermine the successor.

00:36:31.640 And Democrats have never been held accountable for that, nor have the media who helped him do it, and nor have these private actors who are now finally, finally seeing some accountability in the John Durham investigation.

00:36:42.360 Although, as you point out, it has come rather late and rather slowly.

00:36:45.540 Now, and it astonishes me still, naively, as I may consider it, that the national media, irrespective of all of their preferences and their prejudices, that they will not acknowledge that there was a conspiracy to entrap the national security advisor in the first month of the Trump presidency.

00:37:14.540 Presidency and an outright frame up against Michael Flynn, it's it's it's there, it's in black and white empirical evidence and the media won't touch it.

00:37:29.840 Well, to add insult to injury, the person who now has Michael Flynn's old job, the national security advisor, is Jake Sullivan.

00:37:37.320 Jake Sullivan was deeply involved in spreading the Russia collusion hoax.

00:37:42.280 He was involved in this false story about Alpha Bank being some kind of a conduit for Russia to reach Trump.

00:37:48.620 That has now been the core of the Durham charges against Michael Sussman, the former Perkins Coie lawyer.

00:37:56.400 Sullivan also briefed the media on Russia collusion in 2016.

00:38:00.220 He testified in front of Congress at the House in 2017 that not only did he believe Trump was colluding with the Russians, but he believed that Michael Flynn was colluding with the Russians.

00:38:10.060 And he, instead of being held accountable for these lies, has been promoted to Michael Flynn's position and the media never asked him about it.

00:38:18.180 They never say, how can we trust what you're saying about Russia and Ukraine, for example, which is a matter of fundamental national security, international security.

00:38:26.460 How can we trust what you're saying when you lied to us about Russia for years?

00:38:29.900 And this never comes up somehow.

00:38:31.760 We're talking about American lives, balance of power.

00:38:34.760 And nobody says, Mr. Sullivan, can we trust you on this, given your own personal history of lying about Russia? 0.96

00:38:41.500 Yeah, he is all of that and more a lying SOB.

00:38:46.640 And we've become such a precious little country that we don't talk like that too often, except I will guarantee you we talk like that.

00:38:57.280 Joel, I pray and forgive me for being so straightforward.

00:39:00.640 We talk like that here on the Great America Show.

00:39:03.520 And we are delighted that you joined us to talk about all of these important issues.

00:39:10.100 It's our custom to give our guests the very last word.

00:39:15.000 And this is that opportunity and that moment.

00:39:18.640 I've really enjoyed talking with you.

00:39:20.240 I hope you'll come back soon.

00:39:22.620 Joel Pollack, the last word is yours.

00:39:25.360 Well, I'll just add that the issues that you're focused on, that you've been focused on for years,

00:39:29.900 are the issues in 2022 in terms of the congressional elections and the fate of the country.

00:39:36.960 The bread and butter issues that affect working Americans.

00:39:41.140 Those Americans are the core of the Trump constituency.

00:39:45.480 They're also the core of a constituency that's emerging of people who didn't think they were Republicans or wouldn't vote for Republicans, but are voting now in Virginia, other places.

00:39:54.600 There is a backlash, not just against wokeness, but against an elite that is trying to drum the rest of America out of business.

00:40:03.120 And the issues you talk about on this show are at the core of where the debate needs to be.

00:40:07.900 If Republicans want to win in 2022, if Democrats want to try to save as many seats as possible, they have to tune into these issues.

00:40:14.780 Unfortunately, I think Democrats are trying to save themselves in other ways, and Republicans tend to get lost in abstract arguments over internal politics.

00:40:23.940 But these issues that affect working men and women, moms and dads, grandparents, kids, these are the ones that are getting the truckers out in droves in Canada.

00:40:33.460 These are the ones motivating people to go to the polls.

00:40:36.040 And that's why your show is so valuable.

00:40:38.640 Well, thank you very much for that, Joe.

00:40:40.160 We appreciate it.

00:40:41.000 And all the work that you do.

00:40:42.540 And you just described all of my peeps, whom I love, and where the American dream shines brightest, and for whom the American dream is a birthright.

00:40:54.800 And we need to do everything we can to preserve it, the American way of life.

00:41:00.100 Joel Pollack, Breitbart, thanks for being with us.

00:41:02.520 Please come back soon.

00:41:04.040 Thank you.

00:41:04.760 Glad to be with you.

00:41:05.760 Thank you, Joel.

00:41:06.760 And we thank you for being with us, and we appreciate your time.

00:41:10.900 And we also want to say again, thanks for sharing part of your day with us, and God bless you, and God bless America.

00:41:20.660 Join us again tomorrow for the Great America Podcast.

00:41:23.860 Stay in the fight.

00:41:24.840 Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

The Great America Show - February 23, 2022

POLLAK ON THE BIGGEST SCANDAL AND COVER-UP IN U.S. HISTORY

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