PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THE U.S. HAS NEVER BEEN IN AS MUCH DANGER AS RIGHT NOW
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In this special episode, President Donald J. Trump joins Lou Dobbs on The Great America Show to discuss his 2020 campaign, his 2020 re-election campaign, and why he should run for President in 2024. President Trump also discusses his record of endorsing conservative candidates, and how he believes the media don t give him the credit he deserves.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being with us for
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this special episode. Our guest is the 45th president of the United States, President Donald
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J. Trump. President Trump is, in my opinion, the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln.
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No president accomplished as much as Donald Trump in four years and did so despite the opposition
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of the radicalized Democrat Party, the liberal rhino wing of his own party, and of course the
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deep state that aligned itself with the Democrats and corporatist media. His political opponent,
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Hillary Clinton, ordered her campaign in league with elements of the Obama administration
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to carry out a conspiracy to smear Trump the candidate and as president. The trial of her
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2016 presidential campaign attorney, Michael Sussman, is now underway in the nation's capital
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and it's already revealed the political forces arrayed against President Trump and his administration.
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It was clearly an attempted coup, a conspiracy to overthrow his presidency. We now know that his
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own attorney general, William Barr, played a role in denying Americans a fair election in 2020,
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a critical role. Attorney General Barr had the opportunity and the duty, in my opinion, to call out the
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Democrat presidential candidate, Joe Biden, when Biden lied to the American people in the final
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presidential debate of 2020. Barr knew he was lying and he chose to remain silent. The attorney general said
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he didn't want to intervene in the election, but he did just that because by saying nothing about Biden's
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lies, Barr effectively intervened in favor of Biden. Otherwise, we would now be in the second term of
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President Donald Trump. History was changed. Trump and the nation were cheated and now millions of
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Americans are suffering the consequences. Runaway inflation, markets and turmoil, shortages of food,
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baby formula and sky-high prices for gasoline and diesel have many Americans reeling. Almost 80 percent of
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Americans now say the country is headed in the wrong direction. And there's a mounting drumbeat in the
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Republican Party and MAGA, including American first conservatives and independents for President Trump
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to run again in 2024. Will he or won't he? Mr. President, thank you for joining us here on The Great
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America Show. It is it is just absolutely delightful to talk with you. Well, me too. And I appreciate it,
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Lou. And you're the greatest. You really I miss you on television. I miss you a lot. And I've I hear
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your podcast is hot as a pistol and I'm not surprised. Well, that's very kind of you and I appreciate it.
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I want to start out, if I may, with this this election, your record of wins of those you've endorsed.
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I mean, that's an astounding record. And then I hear people criticizing because they think you
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might lose here. You might lose there. Your thoughts. Well, it's pretty incredible. I mean,
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we had tremendous wins in Ohio and Pennsylvania. I think he's going to pull it out. But I also
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endorse, as you know, the governor, Mastriano, and they don't like to talk about that. And they don't
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like to talk about the victories. And, you know, where they see a possible sore spot, because I don't
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just endorse people that are up front. That'd be easy. I'd love to do that. I endorse people that
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are in fifth place in some cases. And in some cases, as you know, they won. But we've had
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tremendous. One of them is Ted Buddies. Fantastic. But people didn't know him in North Carolina. So
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he was polling at four or five percent. And I endorsed him and he went up and he won by a landslide
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just two weeks ago for the Senate. So, you know, we've had a tremendous run. And yeah,
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the papers, the media, I call it the fake news, it doesn't give us, I don't mind taking hits if I
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deserve it, but they don't give us the credit that we're due. And I say we, because it's a lot
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of people. It's, you know, make America great again, MAGA. It's America first. But you know,
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I'm not allowed to have a loss, Lou, right? So if I have one loss, they'll say he's lost. He could be
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87 and three and you'll have a loss. You know, in Texas, I was 33 and nothing, 33 and nothing. And
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what they do is they probably don't cover it for the most part. I don't, you've never heard 33 and
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0, but, and we have a big race, the attorney general, we have a couple of other races where
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the endorsement was great. They took a big leap, but they had a runoff. And now I think they're
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going to all win their races. There's like four of them, but 33 and 0 in Texas. And I'm not sure I read
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one story about it. I can tell you if I was, uh, 32 and one, I would be, uh, excoriated for having
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lost one, but that's the way it is. It is the way it is. And when you call it the fake news,
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as you've been calling it from almost the inception, you're still right. Uh, this is a remarkable
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corporatist media. Uh, it's crazy what, uh, we're seeing in this, in this media. Uh, I heard one.
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And yeah, it's hard to believe that those, yeah, it's hard to believe those people though
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are radical left. I mean, I mean, I know so many of the people in the corporate world
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and they're not radical left. If anything, they're right of Attila, the hun. And I don't
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get it because, you know, I think they're just liberal. I don't even think it comes. I think
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they scare them into being liberal. If you want to know the truth, cause I know these people,
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I think you're exactly right. And, uh, and when that, uh, when you're talking about scaring
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the Dickens out of or intimidating CEOs in corporate America, go to BLM and get your latest,
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uh, you know, uh, alert from the Marxist left, uh, that runs BLM and they're part of the Marxist
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Democrat party. Uh, I want to turn if I may to, to the issue of this economy and this administration,
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this Biden economy, we've just gone through a period of 14 days, 11 record highs and the national
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media isn't even covering it. Gas prices at an all time high and rising diesel over $6 around the
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country, a gallon. And this administration puts out one buffoon after the other, who doesn't know
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what he or she is talking about when it comes to either the economy or how to operate an automobile.
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It's, it's remarkable that this administration gets a pass from this corporatist media. Uh,
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but otherwise they wouldn't be in the white house, would they? Well, it's an amazing thing because
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oil prices now, as you know, are at the highest in the history of the world. Okay. We have the highest
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by far, you know, I had a dollar 87 a gallon. Think of that. And now we're at six, seven, eight,
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nine, not just California either. You know, usually it's like in California, but not everywhere else.
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It's, it's tremendously high five and six and $7 and it's going much higher. And they think of it
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two weeks ago or last week, they canceled two big oil leases. Uh, they don't want the oil and that
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they're going to, they're going to Venezuela and trying to negotiate deals in Venezuela where we
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have more than any other nation under our feet. We were energy independent two years ago. We were
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energy independent. We had inexpensive energy. We had a dollar 87. Think of it. It even went lower
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than that. At some point I had to get it up because the oil companies were going to go out of business.
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It was too low. And we were, we were pumping energy like nobody's ever seen before. We were bigger
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than Russia, bigger than Saudi Arabia. And we would have been bigger than both combined within
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a short period of time. And now he stopped that. It's not even believable. And do you see what's
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going on? Another thing, uh, you would have never had Ukraine and Russia. That would have never happened.
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It would have never happened. It was not something that was even a possibility. And I spoke to Putin
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about it. Uh, I had plenty of conversations with him. Would he have liked it? Yes. It was never going
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to happen. And to see all the people dying and all that death and destruction is horrible.
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It is horrible. And when you, when you see the, the Senate 11, uh, 11 Republicans, that's all who
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refused to vote, uh, for the $50 billion aid package on top of the, uh, at least 10 to $12 billion more
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that we've given an aid already. Uh, what, what is your reaction as you see that kind of support for a,
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what is arguably one of the, has been one of the most, uh, corrupt, uh, governments and countries
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in the world. Well, they gave 40 and they picked up another 14 or 15 previous. So it's like 55
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billion, which is a tremendous, that's as big as Russia's entire military budget was
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the year before this thing got started. And it's, it's a tremendous amount. I will say this,
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uh, Europe gives a tiny fraction of that. Europe, you would agree is affected far more than we are.
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And Europe, if you look at what they give, it's a fraction, a small fraction of that.
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And on top of that, Europe kills the United States on trade. You know, they don't take our cars.
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They don't want our agriculture. They don't want anything. And Europe is almost as bad as China on
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trade. So they get us on trade. And then we go in and, you know, NATO, I don't have to tell you,
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I was the one that got them to pay. I said, you have to pay or we're not going to pay.
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We were funding NATO, the whole thing, but think of it. They treat us badly on trade very badly.
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And I was straightening it out and doing really well on it too. And then, you know,
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then we had the rigged election. And so that ended, but we were doing great on that. We were doing great
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with China. We were doing great with everybody, but, uh, you know, it seems so unfair that we agree
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to pay $55 billion. And then they pay, uh, when I say a fraction of that, I mean, a small fraction
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of that. And they should be told, we're not getting, we're not going to do anything until
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you do it. And they'll do it. But somebody has to tell them to do it.
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A hundred and two thousand of our troops are in Europe right now. The highest number
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since 2005, going to your point on NATO, uh, the support is obviously to come from the United
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States. Uh, the rest of NATO isn't, uh, boosted that high. He's, uh, president Biden has raised
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that number by 30% in just the last year. And he is talking about considering putting U S troops
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into Kiev to protect the U S embassy, your, your reaction, uh, ridiculous. And to have that number
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of troops over there, that's an army and to, you know, that's like an economic development project.
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So in Germany, as an example, you know, this, you saw this happen. I was at that. We were at
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five, I guess we were at 52,000 troops, maybe 54,000 at the max, but we're 52,000 troops.
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And I took out 25,000. And part of the reason, because Germany treats us terribly, terribly on
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trade, just absolutely. Plus they weren't paid up in NATO. They were at 1%. They're supposed to be
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at 2%. And even 2% is too low. So I took out 25,000 troops and I understand they put them back.
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And this is like a city, you know, 25,000 people, that's troops. That's now you add the wives,
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the children, you add other things, you add a lot of different things to that in many cases,
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but you're talking about a city of people. It's an economic development project, just what they pay.
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So we pay them a lot. And then they go in and Germany was very much opposed to that. But I said,
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you got to pay your NATO bill. You're not paid up. You're at 1%. You're supposed to be at 2%,
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you know, et cetera, et cetera. To put that many people in. And now we're, I think the highest level
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for many years. Another example of South Korea, I got them to pay billions of dollars because we're
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defending them, as you know, against a very tough guy. And I got them to pay billions and billions
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of dollars. And the deal was after the election, I was going back, they were going to pay a lot more
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because we have 32,000 soldiers over there and you have Kim Jong-un across the line, right? And,
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you know, it's serious stuff and he's got serious weaponry and he does have nukes, et cetera.
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And I said, well, what are you, what are they paying? This is a rich nation, by the way,
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South Korea, very rich. They took our television business, our boating business, meaning, you know,
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make the big ships. You know, they took a lot of business from us, but they're a very rich nation.
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And I got them to pay billions of dollars. I said, you got to pay up. And they weren't happy about it.
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They went down kicking and screaming. Now the Biden administration basically just gave them a
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long-term free pass of on, uh, almost free pass, relatively free pass on paying for, uh, protection.
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It's really for military protection. No wonder they became rich. You don't have to worry about
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the military, but it was terrible. And I, I, they just gave them a long-term free pass.
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And all they had to do is ask. I was all set to sign a tremendous deal. They were going to pay,
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in my opinion, $5 billion a year, but I got a lot. I got, you added up over the years. I got
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billions of dollars from them. They weren't happy about it, but they paid, but there was never
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anybody that asked it's for like 82 years. We've given them a free pass and I got them to pay
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significant money, but there was nobody to follow up. You were the only world leader calling for
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balanced payments throughout the global trade system, which is what every leader should have
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been calling for every economist, every single finance minister and, and, uh, treasury secretary
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in the world and every central bank. And yet you were met with resistance again on that, uh,
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on an unbelievable dimension, all of wall street, corporate America coming after you, uh, having
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defined as well, the free traders, uh, who were pitching this country's wealth, uh, out
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the door by the trillions over the course of the last 50 years. It's just outrageous to
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see. Now the president, Senator Pat Toomey, Pat Toomey was a disaster. This guy, uh, the
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senator, he wouldn't run because I wouldn't endorse him. Uh, he wanted to, from Pennsylvania,
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he wanted to run. I wouldn't endorse him. He fought me every inch of the way on the tariffs.
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And I said, so let me ask you a question. If China charges us a hundred percent tariff
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and we charge them nothing, do you think that's fair? Yes. Why? Cause it's free trade. I said,
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why is it free? Because that's the way it's been. Oh really? So if China charges a hundred,
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why can't I charge them 50 or 75 or a hundred or more than a hundred? He said, can't do that. That's
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not free trade. I went through these arguments and I used to say, I can't believe it, but I did say
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if they charge us 150% tariff, can we charge them 25%? No, that's not free trade. And I'm saying
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there's something wrong here. And we have guys like that and they're there to protect China.
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It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. And China, meanwhile, is helping itself to our intellectual
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property, our technology, something like $600 billion a year. The theft goes on. And so does
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the insane trade relationship that we have talking about trillion dollar down deficits.
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By the way, Lou, we did great with China, you know, I put 25% tariffs on their steel and 50%
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and we saved the steel. The steel industry was dead. It was going to close. We wouldn't have had a
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steel plant in the whole country. And I put, I have steel people come up to me and they hug me when
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they see me. They said, you saved our business. The washing machine industry, believe it or not,
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they would dump washing machines. I put a tax, I think it was 25% or maybe more, but I put a tax on
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washing machines that are being dumped in our country by, believe it in South Korea, but they
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were dumping the people from Whirlpool came to see me in from Ohio. I said, can't do that. I dump,
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that's a thriving company right now because of it. You know, I saved it. I saved a lot of companies
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and, you know, tariffs if properly used are phenomenal, but basically if you didn't use them,
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all these countries would just be, they were eating us alive. We, we had things going and we
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made a great deal with China. It helped our farmers took in billions and billions of dollars.
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I gave $28 billion to the farmers over a two year period because they were screwed by China on
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agriculture. And it was, the number was 28 billion. So I took $28 billion out and we distributed to all
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the farmers in the country, most of them, uh, in the country, because that's what happened to them.
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And no, they couldn't even believe it. They didn't even want it though. You know,
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the farmers are great. They just wanted a level playing field, but they were taken advantage of
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by China. And out of the many, many billions of dollars, I gave 28 billion to the farmers because
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they were taken advantage of, they were really hurt by China. Nobody knows these stories.
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Well, I, I know a few of them. Uh, I got, I had the pleasure of reporting on it because,
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because you were the only president, uh, in the last half century to pay attention to trade balances
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and to insist that national security, uh, be recognized as sitting foundationally on the
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strength of the economy. Uh, and that made a huge difference for the country. And, and now it's
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gone a wasting, I'm afraid. Uh, and we had a, we had a balance. Yeah. We had an, I call it an
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imbalance, not a trade, but I call it an imbalance, but we had a trade imbalance with China of 600
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billion, not million, 600 million is a lot, right? $600 billion a year, a trade imbalance. And in other
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words, they would make, cause I, I call it make, they would make 600 billion. You know, a lot of
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people say, Oh, it's not really a cost. Those people are wise guys or not very smart. Uh, we
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would have a trade imbalance with China of $600 billion a year. Incredible. But I took in billions
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of dollars. Not one president ever took in one dime from China, never a dime. Right. Well, I want to,
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I want to turn to President Xi, uh, and President Putin, both men are rumored, you know, them both
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well, both men are rumored to be seriously ill, uh, fighting serious illness. Uh, I don't know
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whether that's true or if it's disinformation, but what are your thoughts about that prospect,
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uh, and, um, what they are doing right now is strategic allies. They were not yet
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strategic partners. They, they worked together, but now they are, uh, a, a solid, uh, strategic
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alliance between Russia and China. So one of the things I learned very early in life is you never
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want to force Russia and China into a partnership. And Obama did that. Actually, Obama did it with
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Biden. I don't think Biden had anything to do with it. I think actually it just happened. Okay. But,
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but let's say Obama did it. He forced them in and it was because of the oil, but they forced them into
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an alliance, a partnership. They're not natural partners, but now they are partners. And, uh,
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that was a terrible thing. But if you look at, uh, Putin, so important, it would have never happened
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Ukraine and Russia. If we had the Trump administration, it was not anything and it didn't
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happen. And remember, I'm the only one where there wasn't a problem with Russia, despite the Russian
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hoax, which made it harder. Now the Russian hoax has been exposed to something that was set up by
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the Democrats and crooked Hillary. I mean, think of it. It's totally exposed. Now they all admit it.
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Now they're all pointing fingers at each other. So we went through two and a half, three years of
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horror show, which was actually very dangerous for our country. And despite that, but you take a look
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at, it's an incredible thing. What's happening and coming out of these Durham trials. It's very
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interesting when you see it too bad. Uh, they didn't do it a lot sooner to be honest, because
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that affected the election, but we didn't need it. We got 75 million votes. That's far more than we
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needed. You know, nobody ever got 75, no president ever got 75 million votes. We have a third world
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nation on elections, but Putin would have never done this. And if you think about it, Bush lost Georgia,
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Obama lost Crimea, Obama lost everything. Cause you know, frankly, the whole thing is going to be
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eventually taken by Russia. How much, I mean, they pounded every city to the ground. Okay. At what
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point do they say, well, what we do, what are we doing here? Every city has been pounded to the
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ground and destroyed, meaning everyone that they've been doing and they're not coming out good Russia.
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They're coming out very bad, but Putin would have actually been helped because he would have never
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done this, but Obama lost the whole thing. But if you look at it, uh, during my term, Russia got
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nothing. When you say they'd lost their pipeline. When you say he would never have done it. Why do
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you say that? Yeah. Because I talked to him about it and, uh, numerous times I got, I knew him very well,
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maybe not as well as I know you, but I knew him very well. I knew him very well. Uh, got along with
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him. I think he's a different guy today. He really seems to be different, even visually different.
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Uh, and I don't know what that is, but I knew him very well. I got along with him and he understood
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me and I understood him. And, uh, he knows that he could not have done that. And they didn't do it
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for four years. There was no talk that he was going to go in an attack. In fact, when I saw that he was
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putting soldiers after the election being rigged and I was watching from a distance, all of a sudden,
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when I saw that, I thought he was negotiating, putting 200,000 troops on the border. I said,
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well, that's a good way to negotiate. I thought he was negotiating and, uh, turned out that he wasn't.
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And in many ways that could have been settled very easily. They would have taken certain things
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that they already had like Crimea. You know, you could have made a deal and you would have had a
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country. Now, all of that destruction of these beautiful buildings, some of these buildings
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were so magnificent, but more importantly, the death, the tremendous death that's been caused
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there. It's incomprehensible. It really is. It's not even comprehensible. Now it would have never
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happened. And he understood why I don't want to go into it. I can't go into it probably very easily,
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but he would, he understood that there was a big penalty to pay if he did do that. And he wouldn't,
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he would never have done it. Now that doesn't mean he wouldn't have waited until the next president,
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which I guess in this case is what he did. He waited. Uh, but, uh, but even then he,
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they could have made a deal. They should have made a deal. This should not because now everybody
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loses no matter what happens. Everybody's lost. You've lost all those people. And, and how do you
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rebuild Ukraine? Every city is like a pancake. Well, Zelensky at the world economic forum was saying
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that the Western nations need to provide him $5 billion, uh, a month, uh, to, uh, to rebuild and put
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it squarely on, of course, uh, the, uh, the European nations with the world economic forum, i.e. the United
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States. Uh, this is, and I, you know, my heart goes out to those people, uh, but this is an
00:24:23.920
extraordinary administration because they, at the same time knew by new that there were red lines
00:24:31.140
for Vladimir Putin and still through the first year of his presidency was pushing for NATO to bring in
00:24:39.300
Ukraine and no one talks about it, but there is great responsibility on the part of this
00:24:45.780
administration. Uh, there, the state department, uh, the, the, the white house it's, it's, it's
00:24:52.720
incalculable the damage they did. Uh, and I realize he may have done it anyway, but the fact is they
00:24:58.560
were pursuing policies that were just wrong headed. Well, and even a statement yesterday,
00:25:03.880
when he blurted out with respect to China, you can be just as tough or tougher than that
00:25:08.560
without having to put everybody in a very bad position. It's very dangerous. This country has
00:25:14.040
never been in a position like it is. We're not respected anymore. They don't take even phone calls from
00:25:20.780
the leader. And it's never been in such danger as it is right now. You know, I was saying to a group
00:25:28.880
the other day, nuclear was not a word we ever had to discuss. You know, I rebuilt our nuclear power.
00:25:34.520
I rebuilt our whole military. We have tremendous nuclear power, but if it's ever used, it's going to
00:25:40.880
be the most devastating day in history by a factor of thousands. And I never thought I'd hear the day
00:25:48.520
where major countries like this are throwing out the word so cavalierly like Russia. Every time he
00:25:54.740
talks to that, he talks about how he's a great nuclear power, right? And he is, he's got, you know,
00:25:59.960
1700 nuclear weapons and we have a similar amount. They did destructive and China has a lot, not nearly
00:26:08.440
as many, but they will within five years, they'll have as many. And, uh, to be throwing around this
00:26:14.940
word is it's just something you don't do. And I've, we've never been in a position like this.
00:26:20.600
I mean, there is a good chance that something really bad could happen. And that was just something
00:26:25.360
that even when I was negotiating with Kim Jong-un, because, you know, supposedly we were ready to go
00:26:30.520
to war. If you listen to Obama, we're going to go to war with him and that they have plenty of nukes,
00:26:35.660
but I never considered that to be the same kind of danger. This is a danger that we've never been in.
00:26:41.460
And, and, you know, you look at the inflation and you look at the border and you look at the way
00:26:45.660
we pulled out of Afghanistan. I believe that the pull out of Afghanistan was the lowest point in
00:26:50.600
the history of our country, even though the press hardly covers it at all. It was the lowest point.
00:26:55.780
And I, I believe when Putin saw that, he said, these people are incompetent. This is my time to go.
00:27:01.960
The weakness has never been much of a deterrent, has it?
00:27:07.620
As, as we, as we look at this, this moment in history, a food shortage, a formula shortage,
00:27:17.660
a gasoline shortage, when you were facing shortages and disruptions, whether it be the,
00:27:23.100
the, the epidemic and all that you had to do to restore some form of normality,
00:27:32.860
you went to the private sector, use the defense production act, this facing these shortages and
00:27:39.780
this crisis, and it is a crisis by any definition. This president has chosen to go to, as you said
00:27:46.980
earlier, to Venezuela, turning to get a formula from Germany everywhere, but being self-reliant and
00:27:56.320
creating independence rather than looking for the handouts that this, this government has now
00:28:02.220
returned to as a way of governing. Your thoughts?
00:28:08.720
Well, how about yesterday? I thought it was pretty sad when we have these massive military planes
00:28:13.360
flying in baby formula, milk, but baby formula into the United States so we can feed our children.
00:28:20.700
This isn't supposed to happen to the United States. And that took place. Now it's a, it's a
00:28:26.360
terrible time for our country. You know, it's interesting when we needed ventilators within
00:28:30.360
three months, I had them built. We were the king of ventilators. We were, I was, I was giving them
00:28:36.560
and selling them to other countries, uh, when they needed the ventilator. And it's a very complicated,
00:28:41.920
more, more so than a car, you know, they're very complicated machines actually. And we opened that
00:28:48.180
up. We got that done. The gowns, the, this, the, that, the goggles, the masks, we did a great job.
00:28:53.380
You know, we did a great job in COVID and we never got the credit. We got therapeutically what we did,
00:28:59.640
uh, the vaccines in nine months, instead of seven years, 12 years, they said it was going to take
00:29:06.160
got it done in nine months, saved tens of millions of people worldwide. You know, you look at what we
00:29:13.060
did, but therapeutically with the Regeneron and all of the different things, never got the credit.
00:29:18.080
We deserved operation warp speed was a tremendous success. And people admit that even the other
00:29:23.760
side admits that, but it was beyond, I mean, some people say there's never been anything
00:29:28.260
built. There's never been anything like operation warp speed. And you know, it's an incredible thing
00:29:33.860
because actually, uh, more people died during this administration. I mean, look at the last year
00:29:40.160
versus the year before more people died under Biden. He was going to come out and do the great job.
00:29:44.960
But the, the fact is he did a very poor job under H1N1. And, uh, you know, that took place. Uh,
00:29:53.300
he called it N1H1 is actually H1N1 and H comes before that's the way you do it, right? H comes before
00:30:00.100
N. So it's not hard to remember, but, uh, that was a flu that we had during their administration.
00:30:05.720
And it was much lesser than what this was obviously, but it was, you know, severe and they did a very poor
00:30:12.320
job, but he was going to do this great job, but more people died than they did the previous year,
00:30:17.960
which was sort of incredible. And they had the advantage of understanding the disease,
00:30:21.660
knowing the disease, you know, when we got hit with it, nobody knew what was, what was going on.
00:30:25.700
What is this? This dust, what is this dust that came in from China? Yeah. And China did some
00:30:31.740
disservice to us and to the world. I'll tell you when this, when this happened, what China did
00:30:37.460
to the world? A lot of people think it was purposely, I don't, but when they, I think it
00:30:43.340
was gross incompetence, but nevertheless, I'll tell you what wasn't incompetent though. They
00:30:47.940
didn't rule it out for China until recently. Now they're having pretty big problems, but they did
00:30:53.940
keep it in Wuhan. They did keep it in that area, right? Well, in Shanghai, 25 million people,
00:31:01.400
400 million people throughout Eastern China still remain in lockdown and their economy is torn up as
00:31:10.240
a result. I want to turn, if I may, to the Sussman trial, because as you're talking about what was now
00:31:16.580
obvious to many people, you knew it, a number of Americans did, but this relationship between the
00:31:23.200
deep state, the permanent bureaucracy, the Marxist dem party, uh, and, and corporate media in particular,
00:31:32.140
but us corporations and wall street. Give us your sense. As you watch this unfold, what Hillary
00:31:39.680
Clinton now is known, uh, based on the testimony of her own campaign manager to have done in 2016
00:31:46.100
in us attacking you with a disinformation campaign and using it as a foundation to, uh, investigate
00:31:55.980
you, your administration, and then lead to a special counsel. So even now it came out yesterday
00:32:03.080
at this trial that she put out a tweet that Trump is tied up with a Russian bank. You saw that one,
00:32:09.200
right? That was right before the election that Trump is totally controlled and tied up a vicious tweet
00:32:15.140
by a Russian bank. That was just before the election of 2016. And think of that. And they
00:32:21.720
made up the story. Think about what Schiff said. Schiff got up and said, Donald Trump Jr. will be in
00:32:28.920
prison for what he's done with Russia. And they knew it was a con who would say that somebody is going to
00:32:35.260
prison. And they knew it was a con. And the one thing that has really come out here is these people
00:32:41.260
sat around a table and they made it up. And I remember watching Robbie Mook, who I don't know
00:32:47.540
at all. He was being interviewed by a certain person. I won't mention his name. And they talked
00:32:54.140
about Russia and it was before the election. And he reminded me of John Lovitz. Remember the liar on
00:33:00.140
Saturday Night Live? John Lovitz. He'd go like, yeah, yeah, I'm a great businessman. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
00:33:06.080
I went to Harvard. That's right. Okay. So this was Robbie Mook. And it was like, they asked him about
00:33:12.580
Russia. Yeah, yeah. Hmm. Yeah, I think Russia, Russia. That was the first time I ever heard it.
00:33:19.200
It was almost like, yeah, that's a good idea. And it was unbelievable for three years. And not only that
00:33:26.740
caused great danger to the country, it was a total con job. And it was she was totally aware of it. That
00:33:32.400
was her lawyer suspect. But she was totally aware of it. She was the one that approved it. And so this
00:33:38.780
was a total con job. And this went to the highest levels of of every agency. They knew it. How about
00:33:46.780
the 51 intelligence officers that wrote a letter saying that the laptop was disenfranchised, was made
00:33:54.360
up by Russia? I was just going to get to that, Mr. President. Oh, incredible. I mean, incredible.
00:34:00.140
You know, we're probably going to be suing all of them now. You know, we're very active now in the
00:34:05.360
lawsuit business because we have no choice because we had an attorney general named Bill Barr who just
00:34:11.060
was so afraid of being impeached that he didn't want to do. How do you not get impeached? All you
00:34:16.560
have to do is say, oh, no, I didn't see anything wrong with the election. And the Democrats say,
00:34:21.060
well, you got to be kidding. Let's leave this guy where he is. But Bill Barr was so afraid of
00:34:27.580
contempt and so afraid of being impeached that he didn't do what he was supposed to be doing
00:34:33.720
as the attorney general. You know, you had said to look at what. Yeah. Go ahead. You had said that
00:34:39.120
for some time. And now with it all laid out in front, Bill Barr writes a book. He talks to various
00:34:45.440
people. And what emerges is your attorney general acknowledged, admitted that in the second and
00:34:54.160
final debate of 2020, he knew that the former vice president of the United States was standing there
00:35:01.900
as a candidate for the presidency, lying through his teeth about the laptop, about Hunter Biden,
00:35:09.240
and and and trying to, I guess, excuse himself. He said he just didn't want to intervene in the
00:35:20.220
election. He knew that it was a cesspool, that the Biden family was corrupt, that Hunter Biden's
00:35:27.760
laptop was proof of it all. And he allowed he allowed Biden on that stage with you to hold up that
00:35:36.500
phony defense of 51 intelligence veterans and five former CIA heads saying it's Russian disinformation
00:35:48.400
to the best of their judgment. Outrageous. How did that make you feel? It was a sad, sad,
00:35:54.640
a sad thing. And then he writes a book. And he used to say, I'd never write a book, sir. I would never,
00:36:00.480
ever write a book. He told me that five times. And then he writes a book. And then he was a bushy,
00:36:06.280
Rhino, and didn't do his duty, didn't do his duty, not properly. And he should have done on the
00:36:12.820
remember McSwain, who, who I had to intervene because he was getting close to winning in
00:36:19.140
Pennsylvania, as you know, for governor, on the basis that he was, you know, he was working for
00:36:24.960
Trump as a US attorney in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia. And he was running for governor. And I intervened.
00:36:31.380
I said, no, he did a terrible job. He was not allowed by Barr, according to him, not me. You
00:36:38.340
know, I didn't like him, but he said he called up and he said, sir, it wasn't me. It was Bill Barr
00:36:42.980
wouldn't let me do it. But that didn't make me endorse him any better. Okay. Because he should
00:36:48.880
have done what he should have done. But all of that corruption and everything else, Barr let pass
00:36:53.260
because he didn't want to be impeached. And you were right. As usual, the election was rigged
00:37:00.260
and the non-intervention of your attorney general changed American history. No fair-minded person
00:37:07.540
can argue that there can be a disputes about drop boxes and all of the other, the electronic voting.
00:37:13.620
Although I still think Mike Landell is right. We should have paper ballots everywhere. There
00:37:17.700
should be no paper ballots, one day elections. Yep. One day election, all paper ballots other
00:37:22.920
than military. That's a way, or if somebody can really prove they're very ill, uh, like France,
00:37:28.220
you know, France two weeks ago had it and they had a paper ballot and they had one day election.
00:37:33.280
They had no problem. So does Mexico. Mexico has an incredibly, uh, great system. We have just
00:37:41.540
received word here that, uh, that apparently the Santa's, uh, is reportedly, uh, going to jump into
00:37:50.820
the race, uh, and be drafted, uh, before you can make a decision, uh, that apparently is the purpose
00:37:58.780
of it, uh, can make a decision to run. What is your reaction? I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard
00:38:06.520
anything. You mean he's not going to run for governor? Well, I'm just telling you what, uh,
00:38:10.880
is being reported by the daily mail. Uh, it says Ronald Reagan's campaign chair, uh, Ed Rollins,
00:38:18.180
uh, will draft Ron DeSantis to jump into the 2024 presidential race before Trump does. Um,
00:38:26.000
the ready for Ron pack is led by Ed Rollins, Reagan's campaign manager, 1984. That draft
00:38:33.080
committee is unaffiliated with DeSantis. It says, and we know how that works, but those, uh, that,
00:38:38.520
that is the, if, uh, if I may say the, the powerful rumor of the hour.
00:38:45.280
I'd be surprised, you know, uh, Ron was at three. He came to see me. He wanted to have an endorsement.
00:38:53.020
Uh, he was, you know, zero chance of winning. I said, well, let's give it a shot. And I gave him a
00:38:59.700
strong endorsement and he went from 3% to the election was over. He got the nomination.
00:39:04.720
And then, uh, we had to get him past the young superstar of the party who turned out not to be
00:39:10.500
such a superstar as you know, it was Stacey Abrams and him. Right. And, uh, won that election. I gave
00:39:17.260
him three major rallies, three or four. Uh, I would, I would tend to doubt that it's right. You know,
00:39:22.460
it's, uh, uh, but you don't know. I mean, maybe he won't run in Florida again, but, uh, I tend to doubt
00:39:29.160
that it's, uh, correct. And how about your plans, Mr. President, as we, as we wrap up here, uh, give
00:39:36.720
us a sense of your thinking about running, uh, when you might make a decision. Well, as you know,
00:39:44.140
the campaign finance laws really preclude me from, uh, saying certain things. So we're not allowed to
00:39:52.600
do that. But, you know, as I've been saying, I think people are going to be very happy with my
00:39:56.340
decision. Uh, I see what's happened to our country. It's gone to hell. We've never had a
00:40:01.100
country that has been so disrespected and been so low. And it started with the borders, but it also
00:40:08.200
started with the way we got out, not getting out. I had it down to 2000 soldiers, but we're going to
00:40:13.260
keep Bagram, which now China has, if you can believe it, because it was only an hour away from where they
00:40:18.740
make their nuclear weapons. But, uh, we've never had anything like this with the inflation, which is at an
00:40:24.760
all time high. The stock market is one of the worst it's ever been. You know, if you look at the last
00:40:30.120
number of months of stock markets, one of the worst in history, people see it and it doesn't look like
00:40:35.920
anything's getting better. And we had it, we had the greatest economy in the world. And I did it twice
00:40:41.200
because I had to go through COVID. And by the time I gave it, we were back. We were doing great, but we
00:40:46.700
built the greatest economy in history. We were beating China at every single front, rebuilt the military,
00:40:53.520
started space force, even right to try where you're allowed to get medicines. If you're terminally
00:40:59.300
ill, that was a great having to go to Asia or Europe or anything else or die, just go home and
00:41:04.460
die. If you don't have the money. And I got even right to try, they've been trying to get that passed
00:41:09.240
for 52 years. The way we took care of the military and the vets, nobody's ever done that, got them
00:41:15.020
choice. You know, it's a, we did, we did a great job. And then, uh, the election was rigged. We,
00:41:21.840
I got 75 million votes. I got more votes than any sitting president has ever gotten by far
00:41:26.520
and much more than I got the first time, you know, did much better than I did the first time
00:41:31.560
because we, we did so well. And, uh, you know, you have mail-in ballots and mail-in ballots are
00:41:37.660
even Jimmy Carter was on a commission where they said mail-in ballots will absolutely. It's a
00:41:43.740
dishonest deal. And that's what happened. They use COVID to cheat. And it's a, it's a disgrace for
00:41:48.800
our country and look what's happened to our country. Yeah. I, you know, I'm going to ask you
00:41:54.600
in just a moment as we conclude, uh, to give us your thoughts that will inspire a country that is
00:42:00.960
desperate for inspiration, uh, from a strong leader. Uh, I do want to ask you about Pence, uh, and Pompeo
00:42:10.240
who have, uh, have stood up, I guess, uh, and, uh, at least, uh, tried to counter you at some point,
00:42:18.640
uh, you're feeling about that and how that will influence you going forward.
00:42:26.040
Well, I haven't heard about Pompeo. In fact, the, what, the only thing I heard is that he'd
00:42:30.040
never run if I ran that when he said that a long time ago. So I haven't heard about that.
00:42:34.880
Uh, wisdom. And, and with Mike Pence, uh, haven't heard that at all other than, you know,
00:42:41.720
over the last couple of days, I see they getting, uh, a little bit frisky. Perhaps he did. He could
00:42:47.720
have done something that I think would have been a very good thing and he would have been allowed
00:42:51.200
to do it. You know, it's very interesting. They say he had to be a human conveyor belt,
00:42:55.080
even if there was fraud, no matter what, he was just a conveyor belt. He had to bring it up to the
00:42:59.960
old crow, Mitch McConnell, and he had no choice no matter what, if it was crooked or not.
00:43:04.880
And they all said he had no choice. You remember that he had absolutely, there was nothing he could
00:43:10.260
do. Then three months later, the Republicans and the rhinos and the Democrats are getting together
00:43:16.040
to put in new legislation so that the vice president can't do it. Well, I said, if he can't do it,
00:43:21.760
why are they doing legislation? So that means he can do it. Well, they said, oh, well, actually he
00:43:26.060
could have done it, but see, they said he can't do it even if there was fraud. And all we asked them
00:43:31.780
to do was send it back to the legislatures to check Detroit, to check Philadelphia, to check
00:43:38.240
these places. And I think he would have had a different outcome because by that time, a lot
00:43:42.620
of things were found. Now we've really found, you know, they worked four years on this and we had a
00:43:47.720
very short period of time. So, you know, that was very disappointing. He could have done it and
00:43:53.000
send it back just for checking. Please check this and send it back to us, please. But he didn't want to
00:43:58.420
do that. And, uh, I think he got some very bad advice. I think he got, and I think people
00:44:04.360
understand that, but isn't it interesting where they said he had no choice and then they're trying
00:44:09.100
to work on something so that he or another vice president could never do it. I said, why do you
00:44:13.720
have to work on that? If you had no choice, right? He had a choice. He could have done it.
00:44:18.180
Let me, he could have done it. If he, if he wanted to do it, he could have done it.
00:44:22.040
It is so great to hear you, uh, your analysis, uh, and your, uh, if you will, positions on so many
00:44:30.560
important policies and issues to hear the strength and the intelligence, uh, that you bring to every
00:44:37.000
problem, every issue, every challenge, even every threat. Uh, I know this, uh, I know this audience is
00:44:44.120
thrilled, uh, to, uh, been able to listen to you and to enjoy your comments. I'm going to ask you
00:44:51.000
if you would, uh, we always give our guests the concluding thoughts. Uh, you always get the last
00:44:56.120
word here and whatever you can say to the folks who are so desperate, uh, for leadership. And I think
00:45:04.540
in particular, your leadership. Well, I want to thank you very much. And I'm just saying, as I'm
00:45:10.040
answering these questions and, you know, you are an incredible guy and you have great wisdom,
00:45:15.860
but you ask, these are not easy questions. And I'm saying, can you imagine Joe Biden doing this
00:45:21.500
interview? You know, there's no cards, there's no script, there's no nothing you. And if you may
00:45:27.440
ask a question, it may even be a friendly question, but it's oftentimes a complicated answer. And could
00:45:33.340
you even imagine that the answer is no, you can't imagine it. And it's very sad. Uh, our country,
00:45:40.040
has got to start moving or we're not going to have much of a country left. I used to say borders,
00:45:46.840
but you need borders, you need elections, you need fair elections because, uh, this is all every
00:45:51.760
single one of these things from inflation. Lou, you can take inflation. You can take Ukraine,
00:45:57.720
Russia. You can take, uh, the things that are happened to our military and the way we, the horrible
00:46:03.100
way to surrender that we did. We didn't lose a soldier in 18 months in Afghanistan. I spoke to
00:46:09.640
Abdul, the leader. We didn't lose one in 18 months. And here we lose 13 in one day, but many so
00:46:15.940
horribly injured that nobody talks about leave $85 billion worth of equipment behind and Americans
00:46:22.440
behind. Uh, so many things are so bad. There's never been, and now we have supply chain shortages.
00:46:28.940
Nobody ever even heard of that. That's the thing that nobody ever even heard of. So we have to do
00:46:35.500
things and we have to do them right. We have a very big election coming up. And the reason that's
00:46:40.320
big is if we do well in the house and we have a chance of doing the Senate too, but if we do on the
00:46:45.020
house, we can put a stop to the communism, socialism stuff that's coming out. Uh, I was very important.
00:46:51.740
What I did, I, I opened something called truth social and it's hot as a pistol. It's great. I think
00:46:57.980
it's better than Twitter and Twitter with all its bots and it's, uh, it's a fake accounts and all the
00:47:04.340
other stuff. I think it's much better than Twitter. And I think it will be as time goes by. I hope
00:47:08.960
you're, I hope your listeners and viewers will be able to go to truth social, but, uh, it's great,
00:47:14.580
great name truth, a great name that I was able to get that name. It's an incredible sort of a name.
00:47:20.180
I said, check out that name. And they all said, well, sir, you'll never be able to get
00:47:23.620
happened to be available. Who would have thought that was going to happen, but, uh, truth social.
00:47:28.680
So, you know, we have a voice because they took away our voice. We have a very dishonest media.
00:47:34.060
We have a very, very dishonest media. It's probably the single biggest problem is that
00:47:38.820
because they don't talk about things that they used to talk about and a lot of bad things happen
00:47:45.580
with all of that being said, it's about making America great. Again, it's about America first.
00:47:51.800
We have to put our country first. When you see the way we're treated, it just, you mentioned
00:47:56.460
just during this very interesting and good interview and professional, which I, I expect
00:48:01.260
nothing else but that from you, but you mentioned, uh, about the $40 billion that's being paid
00:48:09.320
plus the money that's already been paid, which is about 15 billion. And then I say, how much
00:48:14.360
is Europe being paid? You have to check that because you'll see it's a tiny fraction. So unfair.
00:48:18.800
It's so unfair. Let them put up money, let them put up more than we're putting up because
00:48:24.220
it's obviously for them. It's, you know, it's much more vital. Uh, you could take a pass on
00:48:29.540
it from our standpoint. If you want a lot of, a lot of, uh, humanitarian, bad humanitarian
00:48:34.540
things happening. A lot of things are happening over there. So horrible. Nobody's ever seen it,
00:48:39.180
including you. You look at it and I know where you're coming from, but you look at it so horrible,
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but Europe should be putting up money along with us. They're not putting up almost anything.
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It's so unfair. So I just want to say, look, we have the potential of a great country. We had a
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great country. And now I say, you know, make America great again, again, but we made it great
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again. And, uh, we're going to have to do it again. Some in somehow, some form, and we have the
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potential. I just hope that, you know, two years is a long time. It's two and a half years,
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but it's a lot better sounding than four years, Lou. When I used to say four years, I said, boy,
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that's a long time. Uh, we're two and a half years. We're sort of less than that because the
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campaign would start, but it's still a long time because tremendous destruction has been done to
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our country in a year and a half, like nobody can believe. But I think we have a, I think we're
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going to have a great future. And I think we will indeed be able to make America great again. And I
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appreciate, uh, I love being on your show. Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, we love having
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you here and, uh, we love the fact that you're going to make us all happy with your decision
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on when you run. Uh, I think you will be. We, and, uh, we miss you. It's that simple.
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Thank you, Lou. Thank you very much. Well, congratulations on the success of your podcast.
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People are talking about it. It's a hot number and I would expect nothing less from the great
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Lou Dobbs. Thank you, Mr. President. God bless you. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you, Lou.
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Thank you. Again, my thanks to President Trump for joining us here today. I hope you enjoyed the
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interview and thank you for being with us. God bless you and God bless America.