The Great America Show - PROOF “PERFECT ELECTION” WAS A DISASTER IN FOUR STATES

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

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00:00:09.220 And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.

00:00:14.580 Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Great America Show, where it's always about truth,

00:00:19.780 justice, and the American way. The only way here on the Great America Show.

00:00:24.820 It's good to have you with us. Sorry to say nothing is improving on the ground in Ukraine,

00:00:29.600 though. The Russians have become even more barbaric, attacking hospitals, facilities for 0.99

00:00:35.260 the disabled, and continued indiscriminate attacks on civilians. And by one estimate,

00:00:41.020 the Russians are dropping a bomb in Kiev every half hour. While the war in Ukraine goes on,

00:00:47.440 President Biden is being urged by the Republicans to do something to stop Putin, and soon. And those

00:00:54.900 Republicans are criticizing President Biden as well for going ahead with negotiations on the Iranian

00:01:02.380 nuclear deal talks, while Putin's military advances on Kiev. And he is threatening to use his own

00:01:10.220 nuclear weapons in Ukraine. How about that? The Russians are party to those negotiations in Geneva,

00:01:17.320 and the talks are paused for the moment because the Russians are now demanding Western sanctions against

00:01:22.780 Russia not affect trade between Russia and Iran. As to the talks between Russia and Ukraine,

00:01:30.240 no breakthroughs in those negotiations, although Vladimir Putin did say there had been some progress.

00:01:36.700 International politics are dominating politics here at home. And joining us today is the founder and

00:01:42.700 editor-in-chief of Just the News website, John Solomon, justthenews.com. John, good to have you with us.

00:01:50.120 Welcome back to the Great America Show. The Russians still waging war in Ukraine. The talks in Geneva

00:01:57.040 go on. Your reaction to it all, John? Well, listen, Putin has always been ruthless,

00:02:03.480 and he is showing it. When you bombard civilians, you target a hospital, you cause mass graves to be

00:02:09.420 dug because of the horrific actions you've taken. You have earned the world's shame, and I think Putin 0.81

00:02:15.340 has done that he's become more isolated than ever before. And no matter how this war ends, Russia ends

00:02:21.280 up the loser because economically, militarily, diplomatically, it will be a lesser nation no 0.67

00:02:28.760 matter how the war ends. And so, but, you know, the images of war always ugly today are probably some of

00:02:33.440 the hardest to ever watch. And it's a reminder that peace through strength could have prevented this,

00:02:39.160 and now we're living in an era where peace through appeasement failed, and one of our allies, someone

00:02:44.580 that we trusted in the region, is paying a dear price for it. So just a remarkable moment, and I don't

00:02:50.240 think it's going to get any easier for us to watch in the weeks ahead. I cannot believe that the Biden

00:02:56.400 administration actually turned over intelligence about Ukraine and Putin's intentions to the Chinese,

00:03:05.380 the communist Chinese, the strategic partner with Xi Jinping is Vladimir Putin, and that intelligence

00:03:13.280 was then handed off to him. While this president, this administration said not a word to the American

00:03:19.440 people, nor did anything to prepare for the eventuality they were trying to prevent.

00:03:24.900 Yeah, that is really, yesterday was such a poignant moment to see the president looking into the camera

00:03:29.780 saying, okay, I finally decided two weeks into the war, we really shouldn't be funding it by buying

00:03:34.800 Russian oil. Any other leader in America would have stopped this oil import long before this

00:03:39.820 moment, probably when he started warning last December that Russia was going towards this

00:03:45.580 aggressive posture, there might be an invasion. Where was the contingency planning? The same failure

00:03:50.960 that he committed in Afghanistan, pulling us out without a plan, allowing the country to fall after

00:03:56.460 20 years of American bloodshed, he repeated it with Russia. We went in knowing we were about to head 0.99

00:04:01.200 into a conflict. And we had no contingency plan to replace Russian oil, to ramp up American energy,

00:04:08.380 to ease the pain at the pumps. And yesterday, I don't find a lot of solace. And I can't find a lot

00:04:13.840 of people who found solace in the idea that what President Biden said yesterday is, I don't really

00:04:17.620 have a solution to bring your gas prices down. In fact, you might feel more pain in the future. But

00:04:22.660 don't worry, someday in the future, I'm going to build that utopian green economy. And you're going to be

00:04:27.760 able to ride on a green bus and you're going to love me. Well, if you're a parent trying to decide

00:04:31.720 whether I'm going to put $70 in the gas tank or $70 in the grocery store budget this week, that

00:04:37.660 doesn't mean much to you. Some future utopian green economy. People need help now. No contingency

00:04:43.540 planning. That's the real message from yesterday's press conference. There's no contingency planning.

00:04:49.320 There's no strategic planning. I can see it. There is no brain trust in anywhere in this

00:04:57.980 administration. I don't care whether it's foreign policy, it's defense, national security,

00:05:04.120 transportation, or the interior. There is no strategic thinking. And there seems to be a

00:05:11.640 ceiling on IQs. That's my nice way of saying that I believe that stupidity is rampant. 1.00

00:05:18.180 Listen, the American people have a similar judgment. You know, just a week ago, 37% of 1.00

00:05:22.880 Americans approved of the president. One of the lowest ratings a president's ever had just 15

00:05:26.860 months in. Americans are very smart. I think this administration and its elitism thinks,

00:05:32.800 oh, we can pull the wool over their eyes. They're not. Americans know what's going on. They know we

00:05:38.620 goaded Russia into this invasion with our energy policies and our, we wouldn't mind a minor incursion 0.96

00:05:44.600 comments. They saw us fail in the first meeting with China. They've seen the saber rattling of

00:05:50.220 China around Taiwan. They saw the failed advance in, the failed withdrawal, and then the Taliban 0.91

00:05:56.000 advance in Afghanistan. And they understand competency is a requirement of this job, and

00:06:01.540 they're not seeing a lot of it. So I don't think you're being any harsher than the American people are

00:06:05.860 in general sentiments when you see the polling. The real question is, how much worse can it get

00:06:11.620 before there is a change in leadership? And I think that's what scares a lot of people. I talked

00:06:16.500 to the former Israeli ambassador to the United States yesterday, and he's like, listen, this

00:06:20.220 administration is so weak, we could have an accident that leads to nuclear conflict, an accident that

00:06:25.480 throws the economy into an extraordinary global decline that will take years to climb out of.

00:06:30.900 Not a sense that there's a strong hand on the flight stick of America right now.

00:06:35.960 There is a leadership void throughout the so-called free world. And there are some great questions

00:06:41.980 about just how free the free world is when we have Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in Canada

00:06:48.200 exhibiting an authoritarian streak that very few people suspected he had. We have a government in

00:06:55.500 this country that is moving decidedly in a Marxist authoritarian direction. And it is becoming very

00:07:03.700 difficult to rationalize the demise of democracy in the Western world.

00:07:11.540 Yeah, listen, I think over the last 20 years, political leadership became this elitist club,

00:07:16.220 and they sit around at their meetings and their think tanks and their brainstorming sessions,

00:07:22.080 and they're saving the world. And they forgot that their job is to represent the people that are

00:07:25.940 the greatest leaders in world history, Churchill, Reagan, Kennedy, they were populists,

00:07:31.560 they understood that you had to stay connected to the people and their needs. And you made decisions

00:07:36.820 on what the people needed under your leadership. And these guys are creating some utopian that they

00:07:42.180 learned at a university or at some conference in Europe, and they failed to connect with the

00:07:48.420 American people or the European people. The Merkels of the world, the Bidens of the world, 0.94

00:07:53.280 I think long term will be looked upon as tragic figures who ruined a great generation of Western

00:07:59.360 culture, Western political leadership. Donald Trump is still on the top of the horizon for the

00:08:05.140 Republican Party, the conservative movement. He certainly is someone that I think a lot of people

00:08:09.240 saying, you know what, I'd put up with those mean tweets now, because I'd be a lot more secure,

00:08:13.180 my gas would be less, the world would be less. There's, you know, there's a tremendous number of

00:08:17.820 people in the wings that are growing just today, South Korean picked a conservative to lead their

00:08:24.520 country after years of liberal leadership. I think all across the world, there are young,

00:08:30.200 vibrant leaders that are going to seize the mantle, we won't know who they are until the electors vote.

00:08:34.860 But there's a lot of young people ready to take the mantle. And then of course, you know,

00:08:38.700 Donald Trump hovers over this whole picture. Most people will say, I'll take his policies any day now.

00:08:43.520 Yeah, sometimes he annoys me with his tweets and his brashness, but I'd rather be safe and have $2 gas

00:08:49.720 than $4.50 gas and staring at the potential of a nuclear war in Ukraine. And I think that's the

00:08:56.920 big decision Americans have to decide now, do they want competence or niceness? I know they would prefer

00:09:02.560 both. But if you got to choose between the two, I think competence is going to win at the end of this

00:09:06.020 day. And when I spoke of a void of leadership, speaking primarily at that point of Europe,

00:09:12.140 Capitol Hill is not exactly a breeding ground.

00:09:18.400 It's not brimming with talent right now.

00:09:19.980 It is stunningly, stunningly deficient. Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, where were they on

00:09:31.880 January 6th? What were they doing? What were Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell doing? Why wasn't

00:09:41.600 their security on Capitol Hill? Where were Kamala Harris? And where was Mike Pence? We don't have

00:09:51.160 answers to those fundamental questions. We don't. And the January 6th committee is going around talking

00:09:58.140 as if the people who committed minor offenses, you have to be a rabid partisan to want to make

00:10:06.860 something of 90 percent of these charges. And yet we don't have basic answers to really important

00:10:15.520 questions, do we?

00:10:16.420 We don't. Listen, the people who trashed the Capitol, who did that, who fought with police,

00:10:20.600 they deserve to be punished because that's criminal behavior. And the conservative movement is about law

00:10:24.900 and order. But the question is, is the punishment commensurate with a crime? I think there's going

00:10:30.660 to be a great debate over that when all the cases are solved. But just yesterday, there was an amazing

00:10:35.480 revelation on our site. Mainstream media didn't cover this at all, but it goes right to the point

00:10:40.000 you have. We don't have answers. Homeland Security Department Inspector General, no one paid attention to

00:10:45.340 this. They reported yesterday that Homeland had significant intelligence that something bad was going

00:10:51.360 to happen on January 6th. They had it days before, and they didn't produce their first products telling

00:10:57.100 people about it until two days after the riot. This is 9-11 all over again. Different scale of attack,

00:11:03.220 right? Different scale of tragedy and consequence, but the same failure of bureaucratic leadership,

00:11:09.880 just bumbling. Nancy Pelosi's given a chance to bring the National Guard in. She turns it down ahead. 0.89

00:11:16.040 Homeland knows what's going on. FBI knew what was going on. They're not warning people.

00:11:20.600 And we sit there and we let this tragedy unfold. And it is clear now from the evidence in the public

00:11:25.400 domain, it was a completely avoidable tragedy. And again, just like the FBI let us down and the CIA

00:11:32.700 let us down before 9-11, you're seeing those bureaucratic failures reemerge 20 years later,

00:11:38.960 a much smaller scale tragedy, but the same colossal mistakes in government. Nancy Pelosi won't allow us 1.00

00:11:46.320 to see that. Won't allow hearings to be on that because it's an embarrassment to her. We won't get 1.00

00:11:50.960 the first answers that you're looking for and I'm looking for until Republicans get control of the

00:11:55.600 Congress next year, if they do. And when John referred to on our site, he's referring to justthenews.com.

00:12:03.200 We urge you to avail yourself of his site and incredible journalistic content on issues at the

00:12:13.260 leading edge of the issues that are confronting this country, challenging this country,

00:12:19.220 and the questions that really need to be asked and answered. And among them, where was Pelosi?

00:12:25.700 Where was McConnell? Where were Kamala Harris and Mike Pence? And why didn't Pelosi and McConnell

00:12:33.840 want to put the National Guard out there? They had to be aware of that intelligence, did they not?

00:12:40.940 Well, that is a great question. There had to be, we know from the Pentagon, we know from

00:12:44.840 Kash Patel and people like that, Chris Miller, that they expressed concern that something bad might

00:12:49.620 happen. And they proactively made the National Guard available two days before the January 6th events.

00:12:57.680 We know that happened. We're now finding out there may have been much more precise who, what, when,

00:13:02.960 where, how intelligence that Homeland had and FBI have. It's not clear that that got to the Capitol in

00:13:08.680 the level of specificity it needed, but you didn't need to be a rocket scientist. You didn't even need

00:13:14.240 to know intelligence to realize that something was going to be happening that day and having a good

00:13:21.200 security posture preventively was just common sense. I think we're going to find out through

00:13:26.320 the common sense went out the window, political correctness replaced it. And then the intelligence

00:13:31.020 agencies let us down because they knew more, didn't get it to people. And the Capitol Hill police simply

00:13:36.920 didn't take the posture that normal police training, like, again, don't have to be a rocket scientist,

00:13:42.640 told them they should have taken. A lot of failure in government leadership, and no one wants,

00:13:47.980 the January 6th committee doesn't want to talk about that for one second.

00:13:52.400 And we've been told that the hearings would start soon, then it's later. And then we were told that

00:14:01.020 they would be, I guess now we're talking about April, late spring. Who knows when we will see

00:14:07.220 something in the way of a product from the January 6th committee. I cannot believe that there is not

00:14:16.480 a greater consternation and outrage amongst the American people, the political party of Republicans.

00:14:24.760 My goodness, are they a political party or are they just a garden club? They haven't said a word

00:14:30.920 about this committee. McConnell's been deferential. With the exception of people like Jim Jordan and

00:14:37.820 Ron Johnson, who I think have done really meaningful work. But the leadership, you know,

00:14:42.080 Kevin McCarthy's biggest statement is we won't participate on the committee. You know what they

00:14:45.700 could have done? They could have held their own hearings. They could have called the room and had

00:14:49.700 a Republican counter to this and dug into it. I do believe that's going to happen. I do believe there

00:14:54.780 is a very strong plan post-election if Republicans get there and win to have that, but they could have

00:15:02.140 been doing it this year. There's a lack of imagination, a lack of fervor, a lack of intensity

00:15:06.920 that Republicans have. Not all of them, but the leadership, the old guard has. And it's a missed

00:15:13.100 opportunity. Democrats would never let this issue lie for six, eight, 10 months if the circumstances

00:15:18.180 were reversed. But Republicans seem content to kind of take it on the chin and shrug their shoulders and

00:15:24.320 say, we'll get to that next year. And, you know, that's what they did with Russia collusion. It's

00:15:28.100 why the Russia collusion case got so far before we reversed it. They did it with a lot of the other

00:15:32.920 attacks on Donald Trump. They didn't use the power that the founding fathers gave them to fight back

00:15:38.100 and get truth. And I think this, a leadership election, if Congress does fall back into Republican

00:15:45.040 hands, I don't think the leadership election is going to be as clean as they always are. It's always a,

00:15:49.920 it's next up. It's Mitch McConnell's time. It's Kevin McCarthy's time. I'm not sure the membership

00:15:55.120 in that caucuses are ready to just say next guy up. I think there might be some revolts in the,

00:16:01.300 after the November election. Well, I, I certainly hope so. And I hope that the failure to lead on

00:16:07.220 this, to put forward their own hearings, to see Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy stand up

00:16:14.400 for American citizens who are effectively political prisoners right now. I was talking with a defense

00:16:22.620 attorney, Joe McBride earlier this week, and he's talking about the rights of these prisoners and how

00:16:30.600 they have been abused, their constitutional rights. Some of his clients haven't seen their families in

00:16:37.040 more than a year, and they're not up on major charges. Well, listen, just think about what happened

00:16:43.160 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, back in November. A guy runs over his girlfriend with his car,

00:16:48.200 and he's let out on bail two days later. Think what happened in the summer of 2020. People set

00:16:52.960 fire to buildings, destroyed businesses on the streets in the name of social justice. I don't

00:16:58.000 quite get how violence brings social justice. And Kamala Harris's team is bailing those people out of

00:17:03.920 prison. The double standard of the judiciary system, which we talked about all through the Russia

00:17:08.580 collusion case with you, Lou, you were the champion of that, bringing that to the American. You

00:17:12.740 see it every day. There is disparate treatment from the way the J6 defendants are being treated and

00:17:17.580 the people who threw Molotov cocktails into the NYPD vans during the summer of 2020 protests. That dual

00:17:24.220 system of justice sits badly with most Americans. By the way, even many liberal Americans, I think deep

00:17:29.640 down in their hearts, know this isn't right. Yeah, I think they do know that it's not right. And just like,

00:17:38.000 as I think of McCarthy and McConnell, the fact that they know better puts an even greater burden

00:17:44.640 of responsibility on them to do the right thing and to see that that injustice is rectified straight

00:17:51.680 away. Julie Kelly, investigative reporter and author of January 6th, said point blank that there were three

00:18:00.700 times as many charges brought against American citizens for four hours, a four-hour period on

00:18:09.800 January 6th as were brought against the criminals in that four-month period in 2020 of riots by Black Lives

00:18:19.840 Matter, Antifa, and radical left groups. Well, listen, I think Americans know, hey, there's something about

00:18:26.960 the security posture doesn't make sense and they don't want to talk about it. There's something

00:18:30.960 about the way the January 6th defendants are treated versus the summer of riots defendants were

00:18:35.860 treated. I think every day the disillusion with the liberal policies of this Democratic Party, which

00:18:44.080 is very different from the Kennedy Democratic Party, quite frankly, very different from the Bill Clinton

00:18:48.220 Democratic Party. I think the disillusion is becoming so grand that the 2022 election could be a

00:18:55.340 tectonic shift, that there'll be such a rejection, such a resounding message that utopian socialists, big

00:19:01.820 government, chaotic, lawless disorder policies aren't American and we won't stand for them anymore. And I think

00:19:09.480 that's the single greatest opportunity Americans have. If they want to take this back, they have that

00:19:14.260 opportunity in November. And I'm just seeing in all the polling data, the sort of sentiments you see very

00:19:20.500 seldom. Maybe the Carter-Reagan race was one of the times we saw that big of a tectonic shaft.

00:19:26.800 But this is one of those once in a quarter, once and a half century electoral moments, potentially,

00:19:32.120 to change the course of America for 10, 20, 30 years. And the big question is, are the Republicans

00:19:38.880 who are going to be the recipient of this, are they going to take the stick like a Ronald Reagan did or a

00:19:43.800 Newt Gingrich did in 94? Or are they going to sit back and fall into the country club mode once they have it,

00:19:48.780 like they've done the last few elections when they won? I think that's the big question. Do

00:19:52.960 Republicans have the visionaries and the leaders to make the change that people are clamoring for?

00:19:58.340 In Virginia, Glenn Youngkin wins and he's making massive change. I live in Virginia. This governor

00:20:03.960 is changing the state, the culture, the government, the policies in record time. Do we have someone like

00:20:11.340 that at the national level that will take the mantle if the election goes the Republicans' way? I think

00:20:15.940 that's what a lot of Americans are looking and evaluating right now.

00:20:20.140 And to that point, the elections. We're also seeing some real developments, news breaks on

00:20:28.380 election irregularities, anomalies, as they were called. But now the data is starting to strongly,

00:20:35.940 strongly imply wrongdoing.

00:20:38.620 And as we're watching lawsuits, whether it's Smartmatic, whether it's Dominion, whether it's

00:20:47.920 folks trying to straighten things out in Georgia or Arizona or Wisconsin, we are seeing real

00:20:55.100 advancements in the argument that, guess what? 2020, that election, much needs to be investigated

00:21:03.840 further. And there is plenty of evidence that a lot was wrong. And you've been reporting on it.

00:21:10.800 Bring us up to date from a just the news perspective.

00:21:14.840 Absolutely. So we've we've had 10 reporters working on this since the day after the election.

00:21:19.980 And, you know, we debunked a lot of things that weren't true. We affirmed a lot of things that

00:21:23.260 were. We've sometimes uncovered things months. It feels months too late, but at least we've

00:21:27.220 uncovered them. Tomorrow morning, I'm going to put a list out of the two dozen most concrete

00:21:32.360 episodes of serious flaws, irregularities, illegalities that are now confirmed from the

00:21:40.300 2020 election. I'm just going to give you a couple because a lot of people may not

00:21:42.920 have heard of these, but they're so powerful. Remember, after the election, we had a guy named

00:21:47.540 Krebs. He was the head of the cybersecurity infrastructure. And he said, hey, we were we had

00:21:53.700 a perfect election. Everything was safe and secure. Well, guess what? Federal prosecutors in

00:21:58.160 Detroit, Michigan disagree with that assessment. They recently indicted two Iranian nationals,

00:22:04.180 two foreigners tied to Tehran's government, who hacked into one of the state's databases,

00:22:09.120 stole the identities of not one or two or three Americans, 100,000 voters identities and use them

00:22:15.500 to try to influence the election. That is a fact. There is a indictment. We're going to make that

00:22:20.460 public tomorrow. Governor Evers in Wisconsin kept saying it's outrageous to have an investigation of

00:22:25.840 my state. The election was perfect. Well, now two separate courts, both backed by the Wisconsin

00:22:31.200 Supreme Court, have concluded the state illegally changed its rules. They didn't have the legal

00:22:36.040 authority to put out drop boxes. They didn't have the legal authority to exempt people from voter ID.

00:22:41.200 Tens of thousands of election of voters in Wisconsin unwittingly voted in an unlawful manner,

00:22:47.800 just under those two rulings. And then last week, Justice Gableman, legislative appointed guy to

00:22:53.800 oversee election integrity, unmasked a fraudulent vote collecting operation that exploited the most

00:23:00.180 vulnerable people in nursing home, people who didn't have the mental capacity to vote or physical

00:23:04.380 capacity. Somebody went in and cast votes for them without their blessing. That is now concrete. We saw

00:23:10.040 the videos. We saw the tapes. Georgia, they now admit that Fulton County, Atlanta was so flawed,

00:23:15.660 they have to take it over and run their state, their voting election system for the next couple of

00:23:19.800 years. And there's now a mass investigation into illegal harvesting. And Brad Rausenberger, the guy

00:23:24.940 who once said the election was pretty good there, now says, I could imagine criminal prosecutions coming

00:23:29.600 in the near future, because there may have been a mass illegal harvesting of ballots, people, third parties

00:23:35.020 going out and voting for someone else or grabbing the votes for someone else. And then Arizona, very similar.

00:23:40.020 The big lie may very well be not that there was a bad election. The big lie may be that people are telling us

00:23:46.100 the election was perfect, when in fact, it wasn't.

00:23:50.440 That's incredible. You've just taken us on a journey from Michigan and Wisconsin to Georgia

00:23:57.140 and to Arizona. And we know that there are other states as well. How many votes in total do you think

00:24:03.680 are suspected? In what direction did those votes go?

00:24:07.580 You know, there hasn't been enough of a scientific precision to get there yet. And I think that's one of

00:24:12.520 the limitations. At this point, I think the apparatus is flipping to we had these problems, and we better

00:24:18.520 just not let them happen in 2022. I don't know if we'll ever solve the 2020 riddle. That'll be a

00:24:23.420 tragedy. But let's just take Wisconsin, where we have some pretty good numbers. Yep. We now know that

00:24:28.300 200,000 people voted at home claiming that their fear of COVID made them invalid, basically trapped at

00:24:38.300 home. That was not a lawful order that the Wisconsin Election Commission gave. There's at least 200,000

00:24:44.160 ballots that were cast that way. We know about 80,000 ballots, I believe that's the number, I'll

00:24:48.580 check that and get that for sure, were put into those mobile ballot boxes, which we now have been

00:24:52.980 determined to be unlawful. So nearly 300,000 votes are in question in Wisconsin, where the difference

00:24:58.960 between Joe Biden and Donald Trump was only 20,000 votes. That should alarm everyone. That's the point

00:25:05.100 that Justice Gableman said when he said, you know, I could imagine the legislature saying this was so

00:25:09.960 messed up, we should decertify the election, not because you're going to get Joe Biden out of office, but

00:25:14.500 to send a symbolic message that that was a badly run election. Look at what Arizona is doing. Arizona, one

00:25:21.460 of the first states in the country to go to universal mail and voting, they want to end universal mail

00:25:25.880 voting like it was a bad idea. It didn't work. Why? Because they found 50,000 ballots that were

00:25:31.000 suspect in the audit. And last week, they found 10s of 1000s of signatures on the ballots that don't match

00:25:37.020 the voter signature. They want to get rid of that mail in balloting. One of the leading states who started

00:25:41.780 it now declaring it was a bad idea. That's how monumental these revelations have been. And I think

00:25:48.320 the truth of the matter is, Lou, we're never going to get an answer about which way the votes went. I don't

00:25:53.260 think anyone will go there. But there is an enormous opportunity to make sure we never repeat the mess that we

00:25:59.660 had in 2020. And that starts with 2022. And a lot of that work hasn't been done.

00:26:04.800 Do you really think that's a good answer?

00:26:06.840 It's not. It's the answer that we're hurtling towards. But it's not the good answer. It's not

00:26:10.620 the way earlier generations of Americans would have dealt with this. But I think you're on to

00:26:15.340 something bigger, Lou. I had this conversation last night with the former intelligence chief of

00:26:18.920 the FBI, Kevin Brock, who's a very respected guy who ran his shop many years ago, long before the

00:26:25.020 crazy guys like Strzok and Page got in there, in a respectful way, because he knew that you had to

00:26:32.140 build trust with the American people. He said to me last night, American news media, the Biden White

00:26:37.120 House, Adam Schiff and the House Intelligence Committee, state election boards that did things,

00:26:42.500 they have all eroded Americans' trust in institutions that we always thought were above reproach

00:26:48.300 and above politics. And he is deeply worried about the future of this country. Because if you can't

00:26:55.300 trust the institutions that have the most important jobs, making sure your elections are honest and

00:27:00.540 secure, your country's safe, prosecuting laws fairly, you don't really have trust in the American

00:27:06.680 system anymore. And he was very deeply concerned about the erosion that Democrats have created in

00:27:12.580 that trust. Now, a great leader can come along and restore that trust by doing the right things.

00:27:18.140 But right now, there isn't a whole lot of those great leaders sitting on the doorstep saying,

00:27:22.740 I'm next in line, I'm going to do this. But we are at a tipping point where the institutions we

00:27:27.240 trusted for 240 years have let us down so spectacularly, whether it's the Wisconsin Election

00:27:32.860 Commission, the FBI, or Adam Schiff's House Intelligence joke, they've let us down so spectacularly that

00:27:38.840 Americans don't even believe in the dream that America used to be. That is a dangerous moment. And

00:27:44.040 that came from the FBI's former intelligence chief. That tells you something about how far this debate

00:27:49.740 has moved. We're not doing enough to fix 2022. We haven't done enough to resolve 2020. And the clock is

00:27:55.860 ticking. And it's time for leaders to step up and do more than give us rhetoric.

00:27:59.720 And we have, we have a great leader, in my judgment, come to the White House. And in 2016,

00:28:10.960 Donald J. Trump, from the moment that it looked like he might actually win the election,

00:28:19.960 the Democratic Party went after him, they attacked him from every quarter. If he weren't a quick healer,

00:28:27.400 highly resilient, strong and tough as nails. No, I don't know of another man who could have stood up

00:28:33.540 to what he did. He was persecuted. I mean, look, they just dropped her, you know, they finally

00:28:37.360 realized that the whole New York criminal prosecution was a sham, right? You just find that up. He has

00:28:42.320 continued to face this unprecedented assault in American history. And it's more than the Democratic

00:28:47.840 Party, the corporate media, and the establishment agencies of intelligence community,

00:28:55.260 and the FBI also were part of that effort. That that is something we never saw in any earlier part

00:29:01.920 of history. I'll just point out one thing, because no one can answer this question. Just before the 2020

00:29:06.920 election, 50 plus national security experts, people who were former CIA. Oh, yeah. And they signed a

00:29:13.420 letter saying we are certain that the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation. Where did that come

00:29:20.080 from? Because there is no intelligence. And just the opposite. I hired the FBI's former handwriting

00:29:25.220 expert. And he said that is Hunter Biden. He did sign the receipt. That is his laptop. Where did those 50

00:29:31.520 intelligence experts allegedly get their information? They won't answer that until we solve questions like

00:29:38.540 that, until we punish people that led it like that. This system, it's Donald Trump now, but it could just

00:29:44.680 well be Lou Dobbs, John Solomon, or Glenn Youngkin in the next time, because the temptation not to do

00:29:51.120 that again, hasn't been removed. But we're talking about the President of the United States, who just

00:29:55.920 went through two fraudulent impeachments, who went through three, almost three full years of FBI

00:30:03.640 investigation, and not a single, not one person in the FBI, the Department of Justice, any one of the

00:30:12.480 intelligence agencies that obviously were involved, has been held accountable. There's not one gone to

00:30:20.220 prison for trying to overthrow a President of the United States to try to block his presidential

00:30:25.960 candidacy. And we talk about it so abstractly. I know. And the reality is that our country's power

00:30:33.260 structure is rancid across every major sector, whether it's media, government, education,

00:30:41.920 you name it, our courts are filthy with corruption. And we have a Chief Justice saying there are no Trump

00:30:48.560 judges, there are no Obama judges, there are no Bush judges. Like hell, there are. They're everywhere.

00:30:55.840 Politics is in the court system. Anyone who covers it knows it. And it's so true. Listen, I think

00:31:01.320 there's a model for a cure. And, and I'll say this in February of last year, we started just the news

00:31:08.500 on a path, we were going to cover critical race area at that point, no one had heard of it. And it

00:31:12.840 was just a concept that a couple of people brought to us in the education world saying, this could be

00:31:16.740 the most corrosive effort to poison our children that's ever been done. In over six months, as we

00:31:23.520 chronicled it, we gave voice to the black mother in, in Atlanta, who said her black child was told she

00:31:29.900 couldn't go to the white class, she had to hang out with the black class, or all the crazy things 1.00

00:31:34.540 that teachers were teaching or being trained. All of a sudden, every day parents started showing up

00:31:39.240 in board, school boards, by the way, peacefully, emotional, but peaceful. Even a threat of an FBI

00:31:46.220 investigation to treat them as domestic terrorists couldn't deter them. And large numbers of school

00:31:51.300 districts now are abandoning this. Governors are passing regulations, legislatures are passing laws.

00:31:57.560 It can be done. And I have a funny feeling that the problem is, we can't wait on government or our

00:32:03.980 leaders or our politicians to do it. It has to be the people, the groundswell, the we the people that

00:32:09.920 were envisioned the Constitution, taking this out. The more everyday Americans stand up and create

00:32:15.300 pressure, the more they're normally lazy government might take action. I think that's the lesson of the

00:32:20.320 school boards. Eight months ago, people told me no chance we're going to get this out of the school

00:32:23.960 system. Now it's out of most school systems in a very short period of time. I think there's a model

00:32:29.440 for elections, corruption, a lot of the other things, but it's got to start with we the people.

00:32:34.380 Is that it is so insinuated into the curricula of our public schools, that it's going to take years

00:32:40.960 to root it out.

00:32:42.220 Well, listen, there is a whole generation that was already exposed to it, right? And you're not going

00:32:45.520 to get that generation back with a lot of reprogramming. But there are 19 states in the last

00:32:51.100 six months that have passed laws or enacted regulations to do that. Mississippi was the

00:32:55.400 latest. I think Monday just happened on Monday. So it's on the books as being illegal. That gives

00:33:01.060 parents now the tool to begin to prosecute or punish those who try to keep it in the system.

00:33:06.560 But the truth of the matter is this went on from 2010 to 2020, pretty surreptitiously. They gave it

00:33:11.820 cool sounding names, equity, learning. But the fact of the matter is it was indoctrination. But

00:33:17.060 for the first time, there are laws on the book that declare it is the job of educators to teach

00:33:22.200 children how to think, but not to think. And I think the next wave of laws with parents' rights

00:33:28.240 being established, which comes after the bans on CRT, are going to empower parents. And I have a

00:33:33.440 funny feeling that Mama Bear is not giving this fight up just because they got a couple of laws 1.00

00:33:38.400 done. I think eyes are on educators in classrooms in ways that we haven't seen. And we need the same

00:33:43.860 thing on the FBI, on the State Department, on the CIA. We need that same incessant thing. Politicians

00:33:51.460 lose their attention span as soon as their donations dry up or something else happens.

00:33:56.700 Mama Bears and Mama Dads and Dad Papas, they're going to lead this. And I do think it will be

00:34:02.600 drained out of the system because now the laws are there to give the parents the tools to drain it out. 0.98

00:34:07.260 But we did lose 10 years of a generation of students. They were exposed to that stuff. And

00:34:11.540 we're going to have to reprogram them as they become adults.

00:34:14.960 Yeah. And I guess the question becomes, how do we do that when the media, the left-wing media?

00:34:20.020 I love your perspective, but I kind of hold on to mine, which says there's no accident here.

00:34:29.260 There is no simple clash of view. This is a Marxist effort on the part of two teachers' unions

00:34:37.820 to indoctrinate our children, to indoctrinate the children of our neighbors, generations of children.

00:34:45.900 And I want to know who did it. I want to know why. I want to root those. I want to root those unions

00:34:51.480 out of our school systems because they make it an unfair contest between the weight of local control 0.62

00:35:00.940 of our schools and state and union control of those schools. They raise huge amounts of money.

00:35:09.120 School districts have to watch every dime, every penny they spend, as you know. We've got to have

00:35:15.460 laws about unions. We've got to change that. We've got to root out these teachers who think that they 0.94

00:35:21.420 want their students to wear masks, irrespective of the science. Well, they demand that schools be shut

00:35:29.120 down. It is a moment, to me, it is one of the most infamous moments in education history in this

00:35:37.320 country. And one of the proudest institutions, one of the institutions we should be proudest of,

00:35:41.920 of our public schools, the great equalizer in our society. It's been overtaken by the left,

00:35:47.120 and we've got to deal with it for what it is. It is evil. It's anti-American.

00:35:52.220 Yeah, you're right. And listen, the Republicans had a solution early on to this. Tommy Thompson,

00:35:56.300 John Engler, back when we were a little younger. Yes. They started a school choice movement that

00:36:00.280 really put the teachers unions in check for a very long time, for two reasons. Students succeeded

00:36:06.480 when they went to the schools they chose to go to, and teachers were boxed in. Somewhere during the

00:36:11.980 Bush years, with the curriculum changes and the whole idea that maybe if you just- No child left 0.76

00:36:16.420 behind. Yep. But we left a lot of children behind with that policy. We really did. And you were one of

00:36:21.300 the few conservatives to call out the Bush administration for that. And you have complete

00:36:25.960 credibility for this. But there's a moment now where something that worked in the past could

00:36:30.420 be reinvigorated, and you're starting to see it. West Virginia starting to do charter schools and

00:36:34.920 school choice. Some of the southern states are doing it. The best way to change the system is to put

00:36:41.840 competition back into it, give parents the choice. It's my tax dollars. If I don't want to put it into

00:36:47.240 that liberal union-run school, I'll take my kid to the Catholic school or to the Jewish school 0.95

00:36:52.840 or to the charter school, the Montessori school, the most powerful statement you can make is voting

00:36:57.780 with your feet, walking out of the wrong place and going to another. Republicans could change this

00:37:02.320 tomorrow if they just got back to their basics. You know, I completely agree with you. And I also have

00:37:08.680 great reservations about the debate. On one hand, I do want money, taxpayer money, to follow the student.

00:37:19.340 But I want that money to follow the student for the power that it gives, the empowerment of the

00:37:27.680 parents of that student and that student, him or herself, against the weight of the mighty teachers

00:37:36.420 unions, the teachers, the administration of those schools. They should be working for their clients

00:37:42.240 and their clients are the children and parents of those children. And they are being treated as if

00:37:48.460 they are terrorists by our Department of Justice. I would love to see us not try to come up with a

00:37:55.980 something of a scattered approach to circumvent the power structure of education as it stands now.

00:38:05.140 That is, those two powerful teacher unions. But I'd rather have that money directed and new laws and new efforts 0.89

00:38:15.740 taken at the local level to take control of those schools and to move the teachers unions out of it. I don't want

00:38:23.740 to hear another word from those teachers as those teachers unions. I really don't. They are just absolutely

00:38:32.320 appalling. Their conduct has been disgusting. And they are not working for students any longer. 0.99

00:38:38.940 They're not. And many of the teachers are, but their union leaders and their ideologue bureaucrats

00:38:44.020 aren't. And yeah, listen, I don't know how else you bust the system right now. I don't. The problem is

00:38:49.240 most of these schools are in blue cities where the leadership has not the courage nor the will to

00:38:56.120 make a change. And so the only way to do it is to create some pressure above them. So you can be a

00:39:01.900 red state governor that has a blue state failing system. Look at Chicago or LA, two of the worst

00:39:06.060 systems in the world, right? You have to do something to force those people to make change

00:39:11.240 because the institutions that currently oversee them have not reacted to the impropriety and failure

00:39:19.060 of these schools. Here's how Oregon dealt with it. Blue state, right? They were failing so many

00:39:24.160 students. They basically said, you know, we're just going to pass everybody. Forget, forget,

00:39:27.720 forgetting the schools. We'll just pass everybody for the next five years. You can be completely

00:39:32.280 illiterate, not even be able to do two plus two equals four, and you can get a diploma in Oregon.

00:39:37.940 How did that happen? How did we accept that? That's what these blue governance agencies are doing. 0.97

00:39:44.820 We need to do something to break that system. And I think it's going to require something

00:39:48.700 disruptive. I agree. It would be great if parents could get to the mayor and the mayor say,

00:39:53.580 you're right, I was wrong, I'm going to fix it. But look at how the mayor of Chicago acts,

00:39:58.060 how the governor of Oregon acts, they literally thumb their nose at their parents. So I think

00:40:02.780 competition is the only way to break the cartels. Once the educational cartels are broken, I think

00:40:07.840 you can reinstate the schools. But we'll see. History will tell us. But something big has to

00:40:12.240 happen. I agree with you on that. John, I thoroughly enjoy our talks every time we have an opportunity to sit

00:40:17.880 down. I always learn something. And I think the audience certainly appreciates the opportunity to

00:40:24.700 hear from you. And I know it's a great honor to have the conversation. I'm forever grateful,

00:40:29.160 Lou, because if it weren't for you, and for Sean and a couple other brave people, Maria, at the time

00:40:33.940 when I was doing that initial reporting with Sarah Carter, our stories would never have gotten the

00:40:38.500 attention or the traction that helped us reverse the Russia collusion tragedy, because it really is a

00:40:45.680 tragedy. It's such an erosion of American government. You courageously went out there and allowed us to

00:40:51.300 tell our story every day. I know there was a lot of flack flying around you guys.

00:40:55.140 Some of it hit the fuselage, too.

00:40:58.080 It did. It did. But you used your bullhorn for the greater good of America. And as a reporter,

00:41:05.640 I know that. I know I could never have had any impact if it weren't for what you provided me. And so

00:41:10.180 I'm forever grateful. You, Sean, Maria, people who have their country ahead of their own

00:41:15.480 personal interests, they reversed that story. And I have a funny feeling your bullhorn is going to

00:41:20.120 be making a big difference on a lot of other issues in the in the months ahead.

00:41:23.500 Thanks, Sean. Thanks for all you're doing to keep the country informed.

00:41:27.480 John Solomon, he's the editor-in-chief and founder of JustTheNews.com. And thank you,

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The Great America Show - March 12, 2022

PROOF “PERFECT ELECTION” WAS A DISASTER IN FOUR STATES

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