PROOF “PERFECT ELECTION” WAS A DISASTER IN FOUR STATES
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Vladimir Putin has become more isolated than ever before, and President Biden is being urged by the Republicans to do something to stop him. Lou Dobbs and John Solomon offer their thoughts on the latest developments in the Ukraine crisis.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,
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always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
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And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Great America Show, where it's always about truth,
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justice, and the American way. The only way here on the Great America Show.
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It's good to have you with us. Sorry to say nothing is improving on the ground in Ukraine,
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though. The Russians have become even more barbaric, attacking hospitals, facilities for
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the disabled, and continued indiscriminate attacks on civilians. And by one estimate,
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the Russians are dropping a bomb in Kiev every half hour. While the war in Ukraine goes on,
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President Biden is being urged by the Republicans to do something to stop Putin, and soon. And those
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Republicans are criticizing President Biden as well for going ahead with negotiations on the Iranian
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nuclear deal talks, while Putin's military advances on Kiev. And he is threatening to use his own
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nuclear weapons in Ukraine. How about that? The Russians are party to those negotiations in Geneva,
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and the talks are paused for the moment because the Russians are now demanding Western sanctions against
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Russia not affect trade between Russia and Iran. As to the talks between Russia and Ukraine,
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no breakthroughs in those negotiations, although Vladimir Putin did say there had been some progress.
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International politics are dominating politics here at home. And joining us today is the founder and
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editor-in-chief of Just the News website, John Solomon, justthenews.com. John, good to have you with us.
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Welcome back to the Great America Show. The Russians still waging war in Ukraine. The talks in Geneva
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go on. Your reaction to it all, John? Well, listen, Putin has always been ruthless,
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and he is showing it. When you bombard civilians, you target a hospital, you cause mass graves to be
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dug because of the horrific actions you've taken. You have earned the world's shame, and I think Putin
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has done that he's become more isolated than ever before. And no matter how this war ends, Russia ends
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up the loser because economically, militarily, diplomatically, it will be a lesser nation no
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matter how the war ends. And so, but, you know, the images of war always ugly today are probably some of
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the hardest to ever watch. And it's a reminder that peace through strength could have prevented this,
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and now we're living in an era where peace through appeasement failed, and one of our allies, someone
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that we trusted in the region, is paying a dear price for it. So just a remarkable moment, and I don't
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think it's going to get any easier for us to watch in the weeks ahead. I cannot believe that the Biden
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administration actually turned over intelligence about Ukraine and Putin's intentions to the Chinese,
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the communist Chinese, the strategic partner with Xi Jinping is Vladimir Putin, and that intelligence
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was then handed off to him. While this president, this administration said not a word to the American
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people, nor did anything to prepare for the eventuality they were trying to prevent.
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Yeah, that is really, yesterday was such a poignant moment to see the president looking into the camera
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saying, okay, I finally decided two weeks into the war, we really shouldn't be funding it by buying
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Russian oil. Any other leader in America would have stopped this oil import long before this
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moment, probably when he started warning last December that Russia was going towards this
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aggressive posture, there might be an invasion. Where was the contingency planning? The same failure
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that he committed in Afghanistan, pulling us out without a plan, allowing the country to fall after
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20 years of American bloodshed, he repeated it with Russia. We went in knowing we were about to head
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into a conflict. And we had no contingency plan to replace Russian oil, to ramp up American energy,
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to ease the pain at the pumps. And yesterday, I don't find a lot of solace. And I can't find a lot
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of people who found solace in the idea that what President Biden said yesterday is, I don't really
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have a solution to bring your gas prices down. In fact, you might feel more pain in the future. But
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don't worry, someday in the future, I'm going to build that utopian green economy. And you're going to be
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able to ride on a green bus and you're going to love me. Well, if you're a parent trying to decide
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whether I'm going to put $70 in the gas tank or $70 in the grocery store budget this week, that
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doesn't mean much to you. Some future utopian green economy. People need help now. No contingency
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planning. That's the real message from yesterday's press conference. There's no contingency planning.
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There's no strategic planning. I can see it. There is no brain trust in anywhere in this
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administration. I don't care whether it's foreign policy, it's defense, national security,
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transportation, or the interior. There is no strategic thinking. And there seems to be a
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ceiling on IQs. That's my nice way of saying that I believe that stupidity is rampant.
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Listen, the American people have a similar judgment. You know, just a week ago, 37% of
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Americans approved of the president. One of the lowest ratings a president's ever had just 15
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months in. Americans are very smart. I think this administration and its elitism thinks,
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oh, we can pull the wool over their eyes. They're not. Americans know what's going on. They know we
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goaded Russia into this invasion with our energy policies and our, we wouldn't mind a minor incursion
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comments. They saw us fail in the first meeting with China. They've seen the saber rattling of
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China around Taiwan. They saw the failed advance in, the failed withdrawal, and then the Taliban
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advance in Afghanistan. And they understand competency is a requirement of this job, and
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they're not seeing a lot of it. So I don't think you're being any harsher than the American people are
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in general sentiments when you see the polling. The real question is, how much worse can it get
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before there is a change in leadership? And I think that's what scares a lot of people. I talked
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to the former Israeli ambassador to the United States yesterday, and he's like, listen, this
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administration is so weak, we could have an accident that leads to nuclear conflict, an accident that
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throws the economy into an extraordinary global decline that will take years to climb out of.
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Not a sense that there's a strong hand on the flight stick of America right now.
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There is a leadership void throughout the so-called free world. And there are some great questions
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about just how free the free world is when we have Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in Canada
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exhibiting an authoritarian streak that very few people suspected he had. We have a government in
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this country that is moving decidedly in a Marxist authoritarian direction. And it is becoming very
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difficult to rationalize the demise of democracy in the Western world.
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Yeah, listen, I think over the last 20 years, political leadership became this elitist club,
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and they sit around at their meetings and their think tanks and their brainstorming sessions,
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and they're saving the world. And they forgot that their job is to represent the people that are
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the greatest leaders in world history, Churchill, Reagan, Kennedy, they were populists,
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they understood that you had to stay connected to the people and their needs. And you made decisions
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on what the people needed under your leadership. And these guys are creating some utopian that they
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learned at a university or at some conference in Europe, and they failed to connect with the
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American people or the European people. The Merkels of the world, the Bidens of the world,
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I think long term will be looked upon as tragic figures who ruined a great generation of Western
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culture, Western political leadership. Donald Trump is still on the top of the horizon for the
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Republican Party, the conservative movement. He certainly is someone that I think a lot of people
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saying, you know what, I'd put up with those mean tweets now, because I'd be a lot more secure,
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my gas would be less, the world would be less. There's, you know, there's a tremendous number of
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people in the wings that are growing just today, South Korean picked a conservative to lead their
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country after years of liberal leadership. I think all across the world, there are young,
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vibrant leaders that are going to seize the mantle, we won't know who they are until the electors vote.
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But there's a lot of young people ready to take the mantle. And then of course, you know,
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Donald Trump hovers over this whole picture. Most people will say, I'll take his policies any day now.
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Yeah, sometimes he annoys me with his tweets and his brashness, but I'd rather be safe and have $2 gas
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than $4.50 gas and staring at the potential of a nuclear war in Ukraine. And I think that's the
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big decision Americans have to decide now, do they want competence or niceness? I know they would prefer
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both. But if you got to choose between the two, I think competence is going to win at the end of this
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day. And when I spoke of a void of leadership, speaking primarily at that point of Europe,
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It is stunningly, stunningly deficient. Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, where were they on
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January 6th? What were they doing? What were Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell doing? Why wasn't
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their security on Capitol Hill? Where were Kamala Harris? And where was Mike Pence? We don't have
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answers to those fundamental questions. We don't. And the January 6th committee is going around talking
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as if the people who committed minor offenses, you have to be a rabid partisan to want to make
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something of 90 percent of these charges. And yet we don't have basic answers to really important
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We don't. Listen, the people who trashed the Capitol, who did that, who fought with police,
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they deserve to be punished because that's criminal behavior. And the conservative movement is about law
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and order. But the question is, is the punishment commensurate with a crime? I think there's going
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to be a great debate over that when all the cases are solved. But just yesterday, there was an amazing
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revelation on our site. Mainstream media didn't cover this at all, but it goes right to the point
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you have. We don't have answers. Homeland Security Department Inspector General, no one paid attention to
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this. They reported yesterday that Homeland had significant intelligence that something bad was going
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to happen on January 6th. They had it days before, and they didn't produce their first products telling
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people about it until two days after the riot. This is 9-11 all over again. Different scale of attack,
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right? Different scale of tragedy and consequence, but the same failure of bureaucratic leadership,
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just bumbling. Nancy Pelosi's given a chance to bring the National Guard in. She turns it down ahead.
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Homeland knows what's going on. FBI knew what was going on. They're not warning people.
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And we sit there and we let this tragedy unfold. And it is clear now from the evidence in the public
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domain, it was a completely avoidable tragedy. And again, just like the FBI let us down and the CIA
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let us down before 9-11, you're seeing those bureaucratic failures reemerge 20 years later,
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a much smaller scale tragedy, but the same colossal mistakes in government. Nancy Pelosi won't allow us
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to see that. Won't allow hearings to be on that because it's an embarrassment to her. We won't get
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the first answers that you're looking for and I'm looking for until Republicans get control of the
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Congress next year, if they do. And when John referred to on our site, he's referring to justthenews.com.
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We urge you to avail yourself of his site and incredible journalistic content on issues at the
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leading edge of the issues that are confronting this country, challenging this country,
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and the questions that really need to be asked and answered. And among them, where was Pelosi?
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Where was McConnell? Where were Kamala Harris and Mike Pence? And why didn't Pelosi and McConnell
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want to put the National Guard out there? They had to be aware of that intelligence, did they not?
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Well, that is a great question. There had to be, we know from the Pentagon, we know from
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Kash Patel and people like that, Chris Miller, that they expressed concern that something bad might
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happen. And they proactively made the National Guard available two days before the January 6th events.
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We know that happened. We're now finding out there may have been much more precise who, what, when,
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where, how intelligence that Homeland had and FBI have. It's not clear that that got to the Capitol in
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the level of specificity it needed, but you didn't need to be a rocket scientist. You didn't even need
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to know intelligence to realize that something was going to be happening that day and having a good
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security posture preventively was just common sense. I think we're going to find out through
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the common sense went out the window, political correctness replaced it. And then the intelligence
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agencies let us down because they knew more, didn't get it to people. And the Capitol Hill police simply
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didn't take the posture that normal police training, like, again, don't have to be a rocket scientist,
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told them they should have taken. A lot of failure in government leadership, and no one wants,
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the January 6th committee doesn't want to talk about that for one second.
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And we've been told that the hearings would start soon, then it's later. And then we were told that
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they would be, I guess now we're talking about April, late spring. Who knows when we will see
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something in the way of a product from the January 6th committee. I cannot believe that there is not
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a greater consternation and outrage amongst the American people, the political party of Republicans.
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My goodness, are they a political party or are they just a garden club? They haven't said a word
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about this committee. McConnell's been deferential. With the exception of people like Jim Jordan and
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Ron Johnson, who I think have done really meaningful work. But the leadership, you know,
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Kevin McCarthy's biggest statement is we won't participate on the committee. You know what they
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could have done? They could have held their own hearings. They could have called the room and had
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a Republican counter to this and dug into it. I do believe that's going to happen. I do believe there
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is a very strong plan post-election if Republicans get there and win to have that, but they could have
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been doing it this year. There's a lack of imagination, a lack of fervor, a lack of intensity
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that Republicans have. Not all of them, but the leadership, the old guard has. And it's a missed
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opportunity. Democrats would never let this issue lie for six, eight, 10 months if the circumstances
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were reversed. But Republicans seem content to kind of take it on the chin and shrug their shoulders and
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say, we'll get to that next year. And, you know, that's what they did with Russia collusion. It's
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why the Russia collusion case got so far before we reversed it. They did it with a lot of the other
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attacks on Donald Trump. They didn't use the power that the founding fathers gave them to fight back
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and get truth. And I think this, a leadership election, if Congress does fall back into Republican
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hands, I don't think the leadership election is going to be as clean as they always are. It's always a,
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it's next up. It's Mitch McConnell's time. It's Kevin McCarthy's time. I'm not sure the membership
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in that caucuses are ready to just say next guy up. I think there might be some revolts in the,
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after the November election. Well, I, I certainly hope so. And I hope that the failure to lead on
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this, to put forward their own hearings, to see Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy stand up
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for American citizens who are effectively political prisoners right now. I was talking with a defense
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attorney, Joe McBride earlier this week, and he's talking about the rights of these prisoners and how
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they have been abused, their constitutional rights. Some of his clients haven't seen their families in
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more than a year, and they're not up on major charges. Well, listen, just think about what happened
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in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, back in November. A guy runs over his girlfriend with his car,
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and he's let out on bail two days later. Think what happened in the summer of 2020. People set
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fire to buildings, destroyed businesses on the streets in the name of social justice. I don't
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quite get how violence brings social justice. And Kamala Harris's team is bailing those people out of
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prison. The double standard of the judiciary system, which we talked about all through the Russia
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collusion case with you, Lou, you were the champion of that, bringing that to the American. You
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see it every day. There is disparate treatment from the way the J6 defendants are being treated and
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the people who threw Molotov cocktails into the NYPD vans during the summer of 2020 protests. That dual
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system of justice sits badly with most Americans. By the way, even many liberal Americans, I think deep
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down in their hearts, know this isn't right. Yeah, I think they do know that it's not right. And just like,
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as I think of McCarthy and McConnell, the fact that they know better puts an even greater burden
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of responsibility on them to do the right thing and to see that that injustice is rectified straight
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away. Julie Kelly, investigative reporter and author of January 6th, said point blank that there were three
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times as many charges brought against American citizens for four hours, a four-hour period on
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January 6th as were brought against the criminals in that four-month period in 2020 of riots by Black Lives
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Matter, Antifa, and radical left groups. Well, listen, I think Americans know, hey, there's something about
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the security posture doesn't make sense and they don't want to talk about it. There's something
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about the way the January 6th defendants are treated versus the summer of riots defendants were
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treated. I think every day the disillusion with the liberal policies of this Democratic Party, which
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is very different from the Kennedy Democratic Party, quite frankly, very different from the Bill Clinton
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Democratic Party. I think the disillusion is becoming so grand that the 2022 election could be a
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tectonic shift, that there'll be such a rejection, such a resounding message that utopian socialists, big
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government, chaotic, lawless disorder policies aren't American and we won't stand for them anymore. And I think
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that's the single greatest opportunity Americans have. If they want to take this back, they have that
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opportunity in November. And I'm just seeing in all the polling data, the sort of sentiments you see very
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seldom. Maybe the Carter-Reagan race was one of the times we saw that big of a tectonic shaft.
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But this is one of those once in a quarter, once and a half century electoral moments, potentially,
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to change the course of America for 10, 20, 30 years. And the big question is, are the Republicans
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who are going to be the recipient of this, are they going to take the stick like a Ronald Reagan did or a
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Newt Gingrich did in 94? Or are they going to sit back and fall into the country club mode once they have it,
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like they've done the last few elections when they won? I think that's the big question. Do
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Republicans have the visionaries and the leaders to make the change that people are clamoring for?
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In Virginia, Glenn Youngkin wins and he's making massive change. I live in Virginia. This governor
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is changing the state, the culture, the government, the policies in record time. Do we have someone like
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that at the national level that will take the mantle if the election goes the Republicans' way? I think
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that's what a lot of Americans are looking and evaluating right now.
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And to that point, the elections. We're also seeing some real developments, news breaks on
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election irregularities, anomalies, as they were called. But now the data is starting to strongly,
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And as we're watching lawsuits, whether it's Smartmatic, whether it's Dominion, whether it's
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folks trying to straighten things out in Georgia or Arizona or Wisconsin, we are seeing real
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advancements in the argument that, guess what? 2020, that election, much needs to be investigated
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further. And there is plenty of evidence that a lot was wrong. And you've been reporting on it.
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Bring us up to date from a just the news perspective.
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Absolutely. So we've we've had 10 reporters working on this since the day after the election.
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And, you know, we debunked a lot of things that weren't true. We affirmed a lot of things that
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were. We've sometimes uncovered things months. It feels months too late, but at least we've
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uncovered them. Tomorrow morning, I'm going to put a list out of the two dozen most concrete
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episodes of serious flaws, irregularities, illegalities that are now confirmed from the
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2020 election. I'm just going to give you a couple because a lot of people may not
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have heard of these, but they're so powerful. Remember, after the election, we had a guy named
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Krebs. He was the head of the cybersecurity infrastructure. And he said, hey, we were we had
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a perfect election. Everything was safe and secure. Well, guess what? Federal prosecutors in
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Detroit, Michigan disagree with that assessment. They recently indicted two Iranian nationals,
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two foreigners tied to Tehran's government, who hacked into one of the state's databases,
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stole the identities of not one or two or three Americans, 100,000 voters identities and use them
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to try to influence the election. That is a fact. There is a indictment. We're going to make that
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public tomorrow. Governor Evers in Wisconsin kept saying it's outrageous to have an investigation of
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my state. The election was perfect. Well, now two separate courts, both backed by the Wisconsin
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Supreme Court, have concluded the state illegally changed its rules. They didn't have the legal
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authority to put out drop boxes. They didn't have the legal authority to exempt people from voter ID.
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Tens of thousands of election of voters in Wisconsin unwittingly voted in an unlawful manner,
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just under those two rulings. And then last week, Justice Gableman, legislative appointed guy to
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oversee election integrity, unmasked a fraudulent vote collecting operation that exploited the most
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vulnerable people in nursing home, people who didn't have the mental capacity to vote or physical
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capacity. Somebody went in and cast votes for them without their blessing. That is now concrete. We saw
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the videos. We saw the tapes. Georgia, they now admit that Fulton County, Atlanta was so flawed,
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they have to take it over and run their state, their voting election system for the next couple of
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years. And there's now a mass investigation into illegal harvesting. And Brad Rausenberger, the guy
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who once said the election was pretty good there, now says, I could imagine criminal prosecutions coming
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in the near future, because there may have been a mass illegal harvesting of ballots, people, third parties
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going out and voting for someone else or grabbing the votes for someone else. And then Arizona, very similar.
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The big lie may very well be not that there was a bad election. The big lie may be that people are telling us
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the election was perfect, when in fact, it wasn't.
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That's incredible. You've just taken us on a journey from Michigan and Wisconsin to Georgia
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and to Arizona. And we know that there are other states as well. How many votes in total do you think
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are suspected? In what direction did those votes go?
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You know, there hasn't been enough of a scientific precision to get there yet. And I think that's one of
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the limitations. At this point, I think the apparatus is flipping to we had these problems, and we better
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just not let them happen in 2022. I don't know if we'll ever solve the 2020 riddle. That'll be a
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tragedy. But let's just take Wisconsin, where we have some pretty good numbers. Yep. We now know that
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200,000 people voted at home claiming that their fear of COVID made them invalid, basically trapped at
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home. That was not a lawful order that the Wisconsin Election Commission gave. There's at least 200,000
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ballots that were cast that way. We know about 80,000 ballots, I believe that's the number, I'll
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check that and get that for sure, were put into those mobile ballot boxes, which we now have been
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determined to be unlawful. So nearly 300,000 votes are in question in Wisconsin, where the difference
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between Joe Biden and Donald Trump was only 20,000 votes. That should alarm everyone. That's the point
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that Justice Gableman said when he said, you know, I could imagine the legislature saying this was so
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messed up, we should decertify the election, not because you're going to get Joe Biden out of office, but
00:25:14.500
to send a symbolic message that that was a badly run election. Look at what Arizona is doing. Arizona, one
00:25:21.460
of the first states in the country to go to universal mail and voting, they want to end universal mail
00:25:25.880
voting like it was a bad idea. It didn't work. Why? Because they found 50,000 ballots that were
00:25:31.000
suspect in the audit. And last week, they found 10s of 1000s of signatures on the ballots that don't match
00:25:37.020
the voter signature. They want to get rid of that mail in balloting. One of the leading states who started
00:25:41.780
it now declaring it was a bad idea. That's how monumental these revelations have been. And I think
00:25:48.320
the truth of the matter is, Lou, we're never going to get an answer about which way the votes went. I don't
00:25:53.260
think anyone will go there. But there is an enormous opportunity to make sure we never repeat the mess that we
00:25:59.660
had in 2020. And that starts with 2022. And a lot of that work hasn't been done.
00:26:06.840
It's not. It's the answer that we're hurtling towards. But it's not the good answer. It's not
00:26:10.620
the way earlier generations of Americans would have dealt with this. But I think you're on to
00:26:15.340
something bigger, Lou. I had this conversation last night with the former intelligence chief of
00:26:18.920
the FBI, Kevin Brock, who's a very respected guy who ran his shop many years ago, long before the
00:26:25.020
crazy guys like Strzok and Page got in there, in a respectful way, because he knew that you had to
00:26:32.140
build trust with the American people. He said to me last night, American news media, the Biden White
00:26:37.120
House, Adam Schiff and the House Intelligence Committee, state election boards that did things,
00:26:42.500
they have all eroded Americans' trust in institutions that we always thought were above reproach
00:26:48.300
and above politics. And he is deeply worried about the future of this country. Because if you can't
00:26:55.300
trust the institutions that have the most important jobs, making sure your elections are honest and
00:27:00.540
secure, your country's safe, prosecuting laws fairly, you don't really have trust in the American
00:27:06.680
system anymore. And he was very deeply concerned about the erosion that Democrats have created in
00:27:12.580
that trust. Now, a great leader can come along and restore that trust by doing the right things.
00:27:18.140
But right now, there isn't a whole lot of those great leaders sitting on the doorstep saying,
00:27:22.740
I'm next in line, I'm going to do this. But we are at a tipping point where the institutions we
00:27:27.240
trusted for 240 years have let us down so spectacularly, whether it's the Wisconsin Election
00:27:32.860
Commission, the FBI, or Adam Schiff's House Intelligence joke, they've let us down so spectacularly that
00:27:38.840
Americans don't even believe in the dream that America used to be. That is a dangerous moment. And
00:27:44.040
that came from the FBI's former intelligence chief. That tells you something about how far this debate
00:27:49.740
has moved. We're not doing enough to fix 2022. We haven't done enough to resolve 2020. And the clock is
00:27:55.860
ticking. And it's time for leaders to step up and do more than give us rhetoric.
00:27:59.720
And we have, we have a great leader, in my judgment, come to the White House. And in 2016,
00:28:10.960
Donald J. Trump, from the moment that it looked like he might actually win the election,
00:28:19.960
the Democratic Party went after him, they attacked him from every quarter. If he weren't a quick healer,
00:28:27.400
highly resilient, strong and tough as nails. No, I don't know of another man who could have stood up
00:28:33.540
to what he did. He was persecuted. I mean, look, they just dropped her, you know, they finally
00:28:37.360
realized that the whole New York criminal prosecution was a sham, right? You just find that up. He has
00:28:42.320
continued to face this unprecedented assault in American history. And it's more than the Democratic
00:28:47.840
Party, the corporate media, and the establishment agencies of intelligence community,
00:28:55.260
and the FBI also were part of that effort. That that is something we never saw in any earlier part
00:29:01.920
of history. I'll just point out one thing, because no one can answer this question. Just before the 2020
00:29:06.920
election, 50 plus national security experts, people who were former CIA. Oh, yeah. And they signed a
00:29:13.420
letter saying we are certain that the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation. Where did that come
00:29:20.080
from? Because there is no intelligence. And just the opposite. I hired the FBI's former handwriting
00:29:25.220
expert. And he said that is Hunter Biden. He did sign the receipt. That is his laptop. Where did those 50
00:29:31.520
intelligence experts allegedly get their information? They won't answer that until we solve questions like
00:29:38.540
that, until we punish people that led it like that. This system, it's Donald Trump now, but it could just
00:29:44.680
well be Lou Dobbs, John Solomon, or Glenn Youngkin in the next time, because the temptation not to do
00:29:51.120
that again, hasn't been removed. But we're talking about the President of the United States, who just
00:29:55.920
went through two fraudulent impeachments, who went through three, almost three full years of FBI
00:30:03.640
investigation, and not a single, not one person in the FBI, the Department of Justice, any one of the
00:30:12.480
intelligence agencies that obviously were involved, has been held accountable. There's not one gone to
00:30:20.220
prison for trying to overthrow a President of the United States to try to block his presidential
00:30:25.960
candidacy. And we talk about it so abstractly. I know. And the reality is that our country's power
00:30:33.260
structure is rancid across every major sector, whether it's media, government, education,
00:30:41.920
you name it, our courts are filthy with corruption. And we have a Chief Justice saying there are no Trump
00:30:48.560
judges, there are no Obama judges, there are no Bush judges. Like hell, there are. They're everywhere.
00:30:55.840
Politics is in the court system. Anyone who covers it knows it. And it's so true. Listen, I think
00:31:01.320
there's a model for a cure. And, and I'll say this in February of last year, we started just the news
00:31:08.500
on a path, we were going to cover critical race area at that point, no one had heard of it. And it
00:31:12.840
was just a concept that a couple of people brought to us in the education world saying, this could be
00:31:16.740
the most corrosive effort to poison our children that's ever been done. In over six months, as we
00:31:23.520
chronicled it, we gave voice to the black mother in, in Atlanta, who said her black child was told she
00:31:29.900
couldn't go to the white class, she had to hang out with the black class, or all the crazy things
00:31:34.540
that teachers were teaching or being trained. All of a sudden, every day parents started showing up
00:31:39.240
in board, school boards, by the way, peacefully, emotional, but peaceful. Even a threat of an FBI
00:31:46.220
investigation to treat them as domestic terrorists couldn't deter them. And large numbers of school
00:31:51.300
districts now are abandoning this. Governors are passing regulations, legislatures are passing laws.
00:31:57.560
It can be done. And I have a funny feeling that the problem is, we can't wait on government or our
00:32:03.980
leaders or our politicians to do it. It has to be the people, the groundswell, the we the people that
00:32:09.920
were envisioned the Constitution, taking this out. The more everyday Americans stand up and create
00:32:15.300
pressure, the more they're normally lazy government might take action. I think that's the lesson of the
00:32:20.320
school boards. Eight months ago, people told me no chance we're going to get this out of the school
00:32:23.960
system. Now it's out of most school systems in a very short period of time. I think there's a model
00:32:29.440
for elections, corruption, a lot of the other things, but it's got to start with we the people.
00:32:34.380
Is that it is so insinuated into the curricula of our public schools, that it's going to take years
00:32:42.220
Well, listen, there is a whole generation that was already exposed to it, right? And you're not going
00:32:45.520
to get that generation back with a lot of reprogramming. But there are 19 states in the last
00:32:51.100
six months that have passed laws or enacted regulations to do that. Mississippi was the
00:32:55.400
latest. I think Monday just happened on Monday. So it's on the books as being illegal. That gives
00:33:01.060
parents now the tool to begin to prosecute or punish those who try to keep it in the system.
00:33:06.560
But the truth of the matter is this went on from 2010 to 2020, pretty surreptitiously. They gave it
00:33:11.820
cool sounding names, equity, learning. But the fact of the matter is it was indoctrination. But
00:33:17.060
for the first time, there are laws on the book that declare it is the job of educators to teach
00:33:22.200
children how to think, but not to think. And I think the next wave of laws with parents' rights
00:33:28.240
being established, which comes after the bans on CRT, are going to empower parents. And I have a
00:33:33.440
funny feeling that Mama Bear is not giving this fight up just because they got a couple of laws
00:33:38.400
done. I think eyes are on educators in classrooms in ways that we haven't seen. And we need the same
00:33:43.860
thing on the FBI, on the State Department, on the CIA. We need that same incessant thing. Politicians
00:33:51.460
lose their attention span as soon as their donations dry up or something else happens.
00:33:56.700
Mama Bears and Mama Dads and Dad Papas, they're going to lead this. And I do think it will be
00:34:02.600
drained out of the system because now the laws are there to give the parents the tools to drain it out.
00:34:07.260
But we did lose 10 years of a generation of students. They were exposed to that stuff. And
00:34:11.540
we're going to have to reprogram them as they become adults.
00:34:14.960
Yeah. And I guess the question becomes, how do we do that when the media, the left-wing media?
00:34:20.020
I love your perspective, but I kind of hold on to mine, which says there's no accident here.
00:34:29.260
There is no simple clash of view. This is a Marxist effort on the part of two teachers' unions
00:34:37.820
to indoctrinate our children, to indoctrinate the children of our neighbors, generations of children.
00:34:45.900
And I want to know who did it. I want to know why. I want to root those. I want to root those unions
00:34:51.480
out of our school systems because they make it an unfair contest between the weight of local control
00:35:00.940
of our schools and state and union control of those schools. They raise huge amounts of money.
00:35:09.120
School districts have to watch every dime, every penny they spend, as you know. We've got to have
00:35:15.460
laws about unions. We've got to change that. We've got to root out these teachers who think that they
00:35:21.420
want their students to wear masks, irrespective of the science. Well, they demand that schools be shut
00:35:29.120
down. It is a moment, to me, it is one of the most infamous moments in education history in this
00:35:37.320
country. And one of the proudest institutions, one of the institutions we should be proudest of,
00:35:41.920
of our public schools, the great equalizer in our society. It's been overtaken by the left,
00:35:47.120
and we've got to deal with it for what it is. It is evil. It's anti-American.
00:35:52.220
Yeah, you're right. And listen, the Republicans had a solution early on to this. Tommy Thompson,
00:35:56.300
John Engler, back when we were a little younger. Yes. They started a school choice movement that
00:36:00.280
really put the teachers unions in check for a very long time, for two reasons. Students succeeded
00:36:06.480
when they went to the schools they chose to go to, and teachers were boxed in. Somewhere during the
00:36:11.980
Bush years, with the curriculum changes and the whole idea that maybe if you just- No child left
00:36:16.420
behind. Yep. But we left a lot of children behind with that policy. We really did. And you were one of
00:36:21.300
the few conservatives to call out the Bush administration for that. And you have complete
00:36:25.960
credibility for this. But there's a moment now where something that worked in the past could
00:36:30.420
be reinvigorated, and you're starting to see it. West Virginia starting to do charter schools and
00:36:34.920
school choice. Some of the southern states are doing it. The best way to change the system is to put
00:36:41.840
competition back into it, give parents the choice. It's my tax dollars. If I don't want to put it into
00:36:47.240
that liberal union-run school, I'll take my kid to the Catholic school or to the Jewish school
00:36:52.840
or to the charter school, the Montessori school, the most powerful statement you can make is voting
00:36:57.780
with your feet, walking out of the wrong place and going to another. Republicans could change this
00:37:02.320
tomorrow if they just got back to their basics. You know, I completely agree with you. And I also have
00:37:08.680
great reservations about the debate. On one hand, I do want money, taxpayer money, to follow the student.
00:37:19.340
But I want that money to follow the student for the power that it gives, the empowerment of the
00:37:27.680
parents of that student and that student, him or herself, against the weight of the mighty teachers
00:37:36.420
unions, the teachers, the administration of those schools. They should be working for their clients
00:37:42.240
and their clients are the children and parents of those children. And they are being treated as if
00:37:48.460
they are terrorists by our Department of Justice. I would love to see us not try to come up with a
00:37:55.980
something of a scattered approach to circumvent the power structure of education as it stands now.
00:38:05.140
That is, those two powerful teacher unions. But I'd rather have that money directed and new laws and new efforts
00:38:15.740
taken at the local level to take control of those schools and to move the teachers unions out of it. I don't want
00:38:23.740
to hear another word from those teachers as those teachers unions. I really don't. They are just absolutely
00:38:32.320
appalling. Their conduct has been disgusting. And they are not working for students any longer.
00:38:38.940
They're not. And many of the teachers are, but their union leaders and their ideologue bureaucrats
00:38:44.020
aren't. And yeah, listen, I don't know how else you bust the system right now. I don't. The problem is
00:38:49.240
most of these schools are in blue cities where the leadership has not the courage nor the will to
00:38:56.120
make a change. And so the only way to do it is to create some pressure above them. So you can be a
00:39:01.900
red state governor that has a blue state failing system. Look at Chicago or LA, two of the worst
00:39:06.060
systems in the world, right? You have to do something to force those people to make change
00:39:11.240
because the institutions that currently oversee them have not reacted to the impropriety and failure
00:39:19.060
of these schools. Here's how Oregon dealt with it. Blue state, right? They were failing so many
00:39:24.160
students. They basically said, you know, we're just going to pass everybody. Forget, forget,
00:39:27.720
forgetting the schools. We'll just pass everybody for the next five years. You can be completely
00:39:32.280
illiterate, not even be able to do two plus two equals four, and you can get a diploma in Oregon.
00:39:37.940
How did that happen? How did we accept that? That's what these blue governance agencies are doing.
00:39:44.820
We need to do something to break that system. And I think it's going to require something
00:39:48.700
disruptive. I agree. It would be great if parents could get to the mayor and the mayor say,
00:39:53.580
you're right, I was wrong, I'm going to fix it. But look at how the mayor of Chicago acts,
00:39:58.060
how the governor of Oregon acts, they literally thumb their nose at their parents. So I think
00:40:02.780
competition is the only way to break the cartels. Once the educational cartels are broken, I think
00:40:07.840
you can reinstate the schools. But we'll see. History will tell us. But something big has to
00:40:12.240
happen. I agree with you on that. John, I thoroughly enjoy our talks every time we have an opportunity to sit
00:40:17.880
down. I always learn something. And I think the audience certainly appreciates the opportunity to
00:40:24.700
hear from you. And I know it's a great honor to have the conversation. I'm forever grateful,
00:40:29.160
Lou, because if it weren't for you, and for Sean and a couple other brave people, Maria, at the time
00:40:33.940
when I was doing that initial reporting with Sarah Carter, our stories would never have gotten the
00:40:38.500
attention or the traction that helped us reverse the Russia collusion tragedy, because it really is a
00:40:45.680
tragedy. It's such an erosion of American government. You courageously went out there and allowed us to
00:40:51.300
tell our story every day. I know there was a lot of flack flying around you guys.
00:40:58.080
It did. It did. But you used your bullhorn for the greater good of America. And as a reporter,
00:41:05.640
I know that. I know I could never have had any impact if it weren't for what you provided me. And so
00:41:10.180
I'm forever grateful. You, Sean, Maria, people who have their country ahead of their own
00:41:15.480
personal interests, they reversed that story. And I have a funny feeling your bullhorn is going to
00:41:20.120
be making a big difference on a lot of other issues in the in the months ahead.
00:41:23.500
Thanks, Sean. Thanks for all you're doing to keep the country informed.
00:41:27.480
John Solomon, he's the editor-in-chief and founder of JustTheNews.com. And thank you,
00:41:33.560
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00:41:38.360
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