PUTIN FURIOUS AT UKRAINE’S STRONG RESISTANCE TO HIS INVASION
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The Russian invasion of Ukraine is becoming deadlier and more destructive by the day. Women and children are fleeing as more men join the resistance to Russian forces. Casualties on both sides are rising, and Vladimir Putin is apparently and reportedly furious that his military is not meeting his expectations of a timetable in which to seize Kiev. Western military analysts say they worry that Putin will resort to even more fearsome bombs and weaponry to accelerate the Russian occupation.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs,
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always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
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And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to this edition of the Great America Show.
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The Russian invasion of Ukraine is becoming deadlier and more destructive by the day.
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Women and children are fleeing Ukraine as more men join the resistance to Russian forces.
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Casualties on both sides are rising, and Vladimir Putin is apparently and reportedly
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furious that his military is not meeting his expectations of a timetable in which to seize
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Western military analysts say they worry that Putin will resort to deadlier and even more
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fearsome bombs and weaponry to accelerate the Russian occupation.
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Geopolitical strategists, for the most part, regard NATO and U.S. sanctions to this point
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A few days into this invasion, NATO is exposed as a hapless semblance of a military alliance.
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Many member states, including especially Germany, clearly intent on remaining passive and out
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Joining us today, leading national security and intelligence experts, KT McFarland and
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KT is a former deputy national security advisor who studied Russia and the former Soviet Union.
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And Fred was chief of staff for the national security advisor.
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He worked for the CIA for 25 years, also at DIA and the State Department.
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KT, how does the Ukraine crisis look to you as it stands right now?
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Well, I think Putin has to wrap it up very quickly.
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He's got maybe another 24, 48 hours to establish control over the Ukraine government.
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If it drags on, it's either because he's going to look incompetent.
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You know, are you getting blowback as the mighty Ukrainian army giving the Russian army some
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problems or if there's a lot of civilian casualties, then then he's going to look like a nasty little
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Now, the question, the bigger question is, how is Putin able to do it?
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I put a lot of this at the foot of President Biden.
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When he came into office, oil was at $40 a barrel and lethal arms were being given to
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And the leverage that Russia had over the world was more or less insignificant.
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But once President Biden canceled the American energy industry, oil, natural gas, what happened
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That means Vladimir Putin's rich again, money in his coffers, words are expensive.
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But most importantly, it gave him leverage over the Europeans, especially Germany.
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So there's really nothing anybody can do without the Germans, and the Germans aren't willing
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Well, I'm really heartened to see the brave Ukrainian people fighting back against the
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I think there will be some significant Ukrainian casualties.
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I was skeptical there'd be such a large invasion because once Russia took control of the country
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and installs a puppet government, which I think is likely, what then?
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The last puppet government that Putin installed was overthrown in 2014.
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I think there's going to be an insurgency movement.
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I think there's going to be mass demonstrations.
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They're not widespread, but this, I think that, you know, Putin may take control of the country
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in the short term, but in the long term, I don't see where this is going.
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And the short term here is critically important.
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But it's also difficult to see what the long term is when he's already moved beyond the boundaries
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of Donbos and has gone beyond what were his original claims.
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Yeah, I think he's going to, you know, see how Ukraine goes.
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And it's pretty clear the Germans aren't going to do anything to help Ukraine.
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Could he decide, well, it's an easy, militarily it's quite an easy operation, to take that
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there's a corridor that goes from Russia to the Baltic Sea, and it would cut off those
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three very small Baltic states, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, historically Russian-owned
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He could do it within a couple of hours, and then he presents NATO with a fait accompli.
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NATO, he's dismembered NATO, and what's NATO going to do about it?
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And again, I'm very concerned that because of the energy blackmail that the Russians can
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do, especially over Germany, that the NATO members are going to hem and haw, maybe they'll
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need it, but they won't actually do anything to honor the Article 5 of the NATO treaty, which
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is an attack against one, is an attack against all.
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I think Putin, at this point, I think Putin's going for the whole thing.
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I think he's going to try to break the back of NATO.
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I think it's unlikely that Putin is going to attack NATO states or send troops into NATO
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But we have to reaffirm our strong support for NATO and make that less likely.
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But, you know, looking at this from another perspective, Biden has handled this so badly
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in many ways, and one of which is the constant demonizing of Putin, demonizing of the Russians,
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throwing these sanctions out that Biden doesn't intend to impose or Putin doesn't intend to
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Donald Trump understood that we had to coexist with Russia.
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But I think he understood that as the nation with the largest nuclear arsenal on Earth,
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demonizing them and calling them out and, you know, basically, I mean, Trump didn't come
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out and say that Putin is a killer like Biden did.
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We're making the situation worse by alienating Putin, driving him towards China.
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And I think it would be better not, I mean, I want to see strong sanctions against Putin
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for what happened in Ukraine, but we need to find a way to bring Putin into Europe and
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to start engaging him so he won't consider what might be a disastrous move, such as moving
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I think that's unlikely, but we can't let him go down that road.
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Yeah, I think that's a really important point to make.
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I wrote my undergraduate, this is actually graduate, doctoral dissertation on China-Russia,
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And the fear we've always had in American foreign policy is the two of them together
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In the 50s and 60s, it wasn't much of a gang up because there was nothing to China, although
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But today, the gang up is really different because it's Russian natural resources and
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energy, Russian military equipment, married up to Chinese technology and Chinese
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And that is a formidable national security threat to the United States that, frankly,
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I don't think we can deal with alone and prevail.
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And so the point that Fred is making, that we should not put Russia into the arms of the
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And early on in the Trump administration, we understood China was never going to be a country
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And that's why the effort initially would have been to see if there was a way we could
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work and cooperate with the Russians over something.
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But to prevent them from falling into the happy and open arms of the Chinese.
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Sadly, the whole Russiagate, faux-Russiagate accusations made against President Trump really
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made it politically possible for any American leader to have a relationship with Russia.
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And I think it's as a result, we push Russia into the open arms of China.
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I do not understand how Germany and all of Europe could be so blind to the threat that
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is now sitting on their doorstep in Ukraine without reacting.
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And for both the United States and the European nations to ignore, you talked about not being
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The Ukrainians have the Budapest memorandum on their walls right now, an agreement that
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And that, as a result of a deal, as you both well know, to exchange those security guarantees
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I mean, why is there no discussion of that agreement, that profound commitment on the
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part of the United States and other nations to defend this country?
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But when I don't, by the way, the last thing I want is this country in a war, because we
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don't have a very good track record over the last 20 years in war, even with third world
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nations, for crying out loud, let alone the second most powerful nuclear state in the
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Look, I'm with the American First Policy Institute, Lou, and one of our objectives is keeping
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our country out of unnecessary wars, not stopping more and more wars, starting more wars.
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We don't like what's going on in Ukraine, but the U.S. does not have strategic interests
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We have to use diplomacy, persuasion, sanctions.
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But I mean, there are members of Congress who would send U.S. troops in there right now.
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And I mean, Biden has a lot of flaws, but fortunately, he-
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My reaction to that, by the way, Fred, would be hell no.
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Well, fortunately, Biden understands that he simply can't do that.
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And look, that would risk a nuclear war with Russia.
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And I think there's so many journalists who wonder why we're not sending U.S. troops into
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Look, I think it's time to take out of the Reagan playbook and think outside the box.
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So here we have a fait accompli, China, Russia together, Europe vacillating on who it supports
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We should take note of the situation that the United States is sitting on the greatest reservoir
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Between our shale oil, shale natural gas, we can not only become energy self-sufficient
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for ourselves, which we were a year ago, but we could really power the world.
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And so Russia has now shown the Europeans, it's a pretty unreliable supplier of your energy
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Half of Europe's energy needs are met by Russia.
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And then the Russians have made it pretty clear.
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It'll use it as a political and economic weapon to get what they want.
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So maybe we can take this dire situation and turn it to our advantage, which is maybe not
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with President Biden, but the next American president, turn back on the American energy
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industry, set ourselves up as an energy hub for the world.
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You know, the original Canada-U.S.-Mexico trade agreement was always meant to be the beginning
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step to then be built out with an energy consortium of the three nations.
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It's a sort of OPEC of North America, if you will.
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Maybe the rest of the world, which thought Russia was going to be pretty benign in supplying
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energy, now the rest of the world sees it's not.
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But then again, that would take it, by the way, that's KT McFarland, former deputy national
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We're talking with her and we're talking with Fred Flight, senior fellow at the America
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But I do think we have to recognize that the personality who is in the White House right
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now is that an out-of-the-box thinker, nor is anyone in his immediate, his proximate
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It is very difficult to imagine this White House, which has done everything wrong to
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this point, suddenly confronted with Russia in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, suddenly coming
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to his senses and doing something masterful in a bold stroke, like you just suggested,
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We have to fully restore American energy production.
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But there's a limit to how much we can help Europe because getting our natural gas to Europe
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We can't begin to replace the amount of natural gas the Russians are providing.
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And part of this effort to counter Russia's stranglehold on energy is to get the Europeans
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It's phasing out its oil-fired electricity plants.
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Now, maybe there are other sources of natural gas in Africa and the Middle East that could
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But at the end of the day, the Germans are helping fuel the Russian war machine because
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And this is a problem in every European state except for the UK and France.
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France, for some reason, has a robust nuclear program, but they are a little unique there.
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This administration hasn't figured out the basic economics.
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And that tells you that this is a poorly served president.
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And certainly, this White House is serving poorly the American people.
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We have a difficult time in front of us because there's no one in Congress, not Mitch McConnell,
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not Kevin McCarthy, with the leadership and the vision to stand up and be wise men.
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Yeah, I think if anybody's looking for answers from Washington, look again, you're not going to get anything from Washington,
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That's why I think a lot of us should put our efforts into the states, the state and local government grassroots,
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as the ideas factory and the people factory for the next round.
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OK, for the next couple of years, it's going to be really bad.
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If Republicans take the House and the Senate a year from now, the good news is it comes along with subpoena power.
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And what that means is they can subpoena everything from Hunter Biden's laptop
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to the Justice Department's memoranda of going after housewives at school board meetings.
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And you could tie them up into a lot of knots so that they couldn't do a lot of problems and get in a lot of trouble.
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And then in a Republican administration coming in in the 2024 election,
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whether that's President Trump coming back or someone like President Trump, the policies will be roughly the same.
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And that it's a bit late in the game, but it's still a time to have that out of the box original thinking.
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And, you know, the thing is that I mean, you're so right when you say, who are these people?
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Don't they understand the basic aspects of the economy?
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I mean, I was with someone when President Biden was saying, had made a statement saying, well, the Russians,
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the Russians aren't going to dare shut down the energy pipelines because they need that income.
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And the man, the Wall Street guy, he said, does he not understand the basic fundamental principles?
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Biden doesn't have to, you know, the Russians don't have to shut it down.
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They'll just sort of maybe take 95 percent online.
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And then the price of oil will go through the roof.
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So the Russians will get twice as much money for half as much product.
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And again, I really do think that they're almost criminally incompetent in the Biden administration.
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I don't think there's any almost based on the Durham investigation and the role of the new
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national security advisor who seemed to have been a very active fellow through the campaign of 2016
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through four years of the Trump administration.
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Let's talk about this issue of elemental logic and just rudimentary knowledge about the world.
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This administration betrays not even those low levels of capacity, and it makes it very
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difficult to understand why the national left wing corporate media can stand there and listen
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to him prattle on when they know full well nothing he's saying makes any sense whatsoever.
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For example, he applies sanctions to Russia for the reasons that you just described, KT, but he
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doesn't shut the Russians out of SWIFT, the clearinghouse, the financial information clearinghouse
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for export imports, international trade, which would shut down a sizable portion of his revenue,
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maybe as much as 50 percent of it, maybe, maybe even slightly more.
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He doesn't in any way call upon the United States to end its imports of Russian oil, which amount
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to 15 percent of our oil now, which, by the way, is only half as much oil as would have been
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transported by the Keystone pipeline that he killed.
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It's madness that emanates there is nothing but dark days that result when this White House takes
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You may heard yesterday that John Kerry said that he's worried that the Russia-Ukraine conflict
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This is such a significant statement because it just shows the frivolous, unserious national
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And this is certainly the belief of every member of the Biden administration, that the idea that
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Kerry would say that while Ukrainians are dying because of this Russian invasion, it says
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Well, of course, first of all, he is he's a he's a laughingstock of his own party, of even
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But certainly the rest of America knows him to be completely, completely an oaf on this issue.
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And I just can't I can't comprehend the tolerance of the of the American people putting up with
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They are responsible for for theft, for lies, stealing, trying to overthrow presidents.
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And I mean, I don't know what it would take to be embarrassed to be a Democrat.
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But if the last last six years haven't done it, I don't know what will.
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When you were mentioning earlier about the corporate media and how they're not really doing
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their job, right, they're not holding truth to power or what happened in the country.
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They're not their not their real job, which is to speak truth to power.
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My God, they're down to friends and immediate family watching CNN and the future of me media
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and the future of news, of how news gets taken from one place to the people, I think is what
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So I'm not so worried about the legacy media, because frankly, nobody's listening to them.
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Certainly nobody under the age of 40 is paying a hoot of attention to them.
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And as far as sort of the cycles, you know, Lou, I don't know if I ever told you this,
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but so when I was in the Trump administration, I got slapped around pretty hard by the Mueller
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And they tried to you witnessed it and they tried to break me and they tried to get me
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Then he wanted me to implicate President Trump in crimes he did not commit.
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And at the end of the day, I looked at my husband and I said, oh, my gosh, you know,
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we're hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for legal fees.
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So I went back to the Mueller people and said, no, no, I'm just not going to lie.
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But what it made me do was I was just so frazzled by my I figured my career was over,
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So we went away to the most remote part of Western Scotland.
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And I tried to think about what's happened to America.
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And I realized that we go through these periods every 40 years where we have a major political
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civil war inside the United States and that that's what we're going through now.
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And it usually happens around times of great changes, demographic changes, technological changes,
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changes in how people make a living, changes in how people communicate with each other.
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And at the end of the day, though, America reinvents itself.
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So nasty as it is, when you say six years of this idiocy, yeah, guess what?
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And then we're not going to hear from those people for another generation.
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So I do have the confidence that American, not led by Washington, but by the grassroots,
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will make a real change in the next year in the election.
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We have an American president who drew a red line on Ukraine and Putin ignored it.
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And he said, look, if the Russians break this red line, the toughest sanctions ever will
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But let me tell you something that I've been talking about lately.
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The sanctions that President Trump put against Iran included the the SWIFT sanctions.
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And that happened over the objections of the Europeans.
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And as a result, the sanctions that President Trump put on Iran are much tougher than the
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sanctions that Biden has announced against Russia, even after we have all this death and
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destruction that the Russians are committing in Ukraine.
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And I think the media should be asking this of the Biden White House.
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Why are your sanctions against Russia weaker than President Trump's sanctions against Iran?
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President Trump couldn't be told what to do by the Wall Street establishment, nor corporate
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America, nor the radical left, which, you know, and for those that group of establishment
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interests, the Democratic Party is their political action arm.
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And to have President Obama come out and say, please, let's let's all embrace sacrifice and
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pain for this president and for President Biden.
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You know, he never said a word even suggesting in any way, implying that he would like to see
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It really does take a lot of nerve, doesn't it, to say that?
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Look, I think Donald Trump is such a great president in so many ways.
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And the number of things he was right on and the fact that he, in spite of the attacks against
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the media, in spite of the attacks against the deep state, in spite of the attacks against
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the intelligence community, the things that Donald Trump was able to accomplish in four
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And that's why I love to listen to Donald Trump now when he talks about the future.
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And because, again, he has this unerring instinct to get to the absolute core of what's important.
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At the end of the day, I don't think anybody's going to pay a whole lot of attention to President
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There'll be a little footnote in the history books, but not in a big way.
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Do you think, Fred, that we're going to see anything come of this overture, apparently,
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at least a proffered possibility by the Russians, that there be talks in Belarus?
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It's not the most neutral ground I would have imagined the Ukrainians would have sought.
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But at least it would be a beginning of discussions between Ukraine and Russian officials.
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I think that's probably coming because the Biden administration is desperate for some type of
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diplomatic solution, a solution which will be a complete sellout by us.
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But they will claim it's a victory, just like the nuclear deal with Iran.
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I don't think the Biden administration has any clue about what to do in Ukraine, and they're
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Well, it's also interesting because having seized the Chernobyl nuclear, what is a reserve now
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because of its disastrous environmental potential, the greatest threat to the environment, frankly,
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anywhere in the world, even greater than Fukushima Daiichi in Japan.
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Man, this may indicate that there's a problem there because higher radiation levels have
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I always wonder what motivates people because there's usually something, and it's usually
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Amongst the others is the reported, rumored, vast reserves of natural gas in Ukraine, which
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are said to be much larger than any other place in the world.
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Well, if that was true, and if Ukraine could maintain its sovereignty, it really would be
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a game changer because right now it's completely dependent upon imports of natural gas from Russia,
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and the Russians lawed this over them and overcharged them for gas.
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And you're right, it would be ironic that Ukraine didn't get adequate support from the United
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States or from Europe in defending itself against Russia.
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And then this huge windfall of energy is discovered that the Russians will probably seize control
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And the irony goes on because this would be much akin to the same irony as the United States
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surrendering, Katie, in Afghanistan and turning de facto, turning over vast stores of rare
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And now it's in China's hands, which already has the world's largest deposits of rare earths.
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Well, actually, with regard to eastern Ukraine and the oil and gas reserves, I talked to
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a couple of energy guys who had been part of a team that one of the major oil companies
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had sent to Ukraine after the fall of the Iron Curtain to look over and to see, well, what
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Was there anything there that had long been thought of that there would be these vast reserves?
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There are great and vast natural gas reserves, less oil.
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And he said, but we determined that it wouldn't be profitable to extract them because of the
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corruption, the corruption from Ukraine and, you know, potentially whatever the Russian
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It's just got to be uncorrupted by the politicians.
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And look, people say that Ukraine is a democracy and democracy is being eclipsed there.
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Maybe we'll call it an evolving democracy, but there's enormous corruption.
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I mean, there are politicians who are in prison for expressing views of the government didn't
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And the Russians are, of course, using this to justify the invasion, which is just so absurd
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when we see people protesting for peace in Moscow who are being arrested and beaten.
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You know, and I mean, this only is the joke, but you know how to tell if Ukraine is corrupt.
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It's it's I tell you, it's just it's maddening to think of what has been permitted here by just
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Well, I think I really have a lot of confidence that if Republicans take the House and the Senate
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and get the subpoena power, they are chomping at the bit to investigate that all the wrongdoings,
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whether it was part of the Clinton campaign, the Obama administration, certainly the Biden
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They were pretty stunned at how the Democrats have treated them for the last four and six
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And so, yes, I do have confidence that it will go somewhere.
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I I'll turn to you in just a second, Fred, as I just insert this and I and this is just
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a bald face point of view on my part of being straightforward for a change, KT.
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As long as Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy are the leaders of the majority in the House
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and the Senate, not anything will change whatsoever in this country.
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It will be a vote for fraud, fraudulent leaders who are more aligned in the case of McConnell.
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He's more aligned with the Democratic Party than he is the America first Republican Party,
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How do you how do you how do you overcome that without a change of leadership and a purge of these rhinos from the Republican Party?
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Well, I think that but, Lou, if Donald Trump is he's been very active in supporting candidates for the House and the Senate.
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And I think he's doing what I think he's doing God's work terrifically.
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So I think of a lot of the new Republicans are Trump Republicans.
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It's either those individuals you referred to are going to get the message and get on the program or they're going to get out.
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They won't be elected to their leadership positions.
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What I'm really looking forward to after the elect, the midterm election is giving the people's house back to the people.
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I go to the Hill sometimes for meetings and you can't go into to the offices of your elected representative without an escort and an appointment.
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You call the staff and if you can get hold of the staff member of the member of Congress, many of them have answering machines.
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And after you leave the desk, the Republican staffer says, you can take your mask off now.
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You know, the Republicans don't wear the mask in the hallways, in the elevators.
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They just wear them in the lobby where they're near the police.
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And this nonsense, these fences around the Capitol, the metal detectors in the house.
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There's just so much there are so many abuses of power by Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
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I just and I mean, Joe Biden and Barack Obama and the entire radical dim power structure and political party.
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I can't wait till the fences come down, the masks are gotten rid of, the people can come into the Capitol Visitor Center.
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They wait there for the for the member to come out to wave at them.
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And it's been gratifying to see efforts lately by parents to throw out these far left woke characters on school boards who are destroying our schools.
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And when this happened in San Francisco, this really is an alarm bell that Americans are fed up.
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And if in one of America's most liberal cities has happened, I'm hoping I'm hoping this will happen thousands of times this November when the American people try to take back our schools from the far left.
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Fred, this has been a fascinating conversation with you and Katie, and I really appreciate your time.
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I want to, if I may, conclude with your assessment of what happens next.
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Are we consigned to what looks like an obvious Russian takeover of Ukraine, not just simply the disputed and separatist provinces that he has declared to be independent, but all of Ukraine?
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I think Russia will take take control of Ukraine, but its control will be unstable.
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I don't think Russia is going to try to invade NATO, but I do believe that we may be facing a new Cold War.
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And this is almost entirely because of the incompetence of Joe Biden, who doesn't understand that we have to find a way to coexist with the Russians.
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We simply can't demonize them, threaten them, draw red lines.
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We have to have another way, and I regret we're not going to see another way until there's another president.
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Will that president be an America first president?
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And will the Republican Party remain steadfastly Donald Trump's party?
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Well, I will be rejoining the administration if it's Mr. Trump.
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I really thought it was an honor to work for him the first time, and I think there's a lot that he could do.
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You know, we have a lot of work to do between now and then to educate the American people on what is really at stake in the 2022 and 2024 election.
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We appreciate you sharing your views and insights.
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And thank you for listening, for being with us.
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We hope you'll join us tomorrow as we continue our focus on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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We'll be talking with General Keith Kellogg, former National Security Advisor to Vice President Mike Pence, retired Lieutenant General, and Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton.
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