The Great America Show - PUTIN WON’T BE STOPPED AND IT’S CHINA’S TURN NEXT

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.

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00:00:19.100 The Russian invasion of Ukraine is inexorably advancing. The Ukrainians paying a higher price 0.81

00:00:26.040 each day in lives lost, casualties, and destruction of buildings of all kinds,

00:00:31.740 factories, storage facilities, and infrastructure, including streets and highways, bridges,

00:00:37.560 power plants, their ports, and airports. French President Emmanuel Macron says,

00:00:43.920 after talking by phone with Vladimir Putin, that Putin told him the Russian military

00:00:49.220 will achieve its goals in Ukraine no matter what happens. Which means, said Macron,

00:00:57.480 the worst is yet to come for the Ukrainians. The siege of major cities goes on. Today, 0.98

00:01:03.920 the attacks worsening, one city fallen, the port city of Kherson, the Russian army moving in more

00:01:10.640 heavy firepower and tanks as they advance. Intelligence on the situations in Ukraine clear.

00:01:17.320 The brutal attacks and crushing onslaught will go on until the Ukrainian defenders are defeated

00:01:23.860 or surrendered. There seems no other option in the face of the overwhelming strength of the

00:01:30.280 Russian forces. To examine all of the day's developments and assess the dire situation for

00:01:36.100 Ukraine, we have with us two great Americans. Chris Farrell, Director of Investigations for Judicial

00:01:42.600 Watch, former U.S. Army Intelligence, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, President of London Center

00:01:48.180 for Research, who also worked in military intelligence, his specialty counterintelligence.

00:01:55.000 Gentlemen, great to have you with us. And if I may, I'll begin. First, Tony, with you,

00:02:01.180 your assessment of where we are right now in Ukraine.

00:02:04.600 So, Lou, it's always a pleasure to join you. And let me just, I think, point out how

00:02:11.140 the narrative that has been put forth in the media is one that essentially disputes the reality in

00:02:20.020 which we live. And let me explain that. One of the constant barriers put up by the left to common

00:02:27.080 sense and factual discussion is the idea that they create a narrative. And in this case, the narrative

00:02:33.140 that they've been using is that war in Ukraine was unthinkable. And this circles back, and Chris

00:02:40.200 may want to address this a little bit, too. One of the points of unity, a discussion between you,

00:02:47.500 Chris, and I is able danger. And able danger being the operation before 9-11 that was focused on

00:02:53.340 targeting al-Qaeda. Well, no matter how you cut it, the effort that we were running was going against

00:03:00.980 the then narrative that, hey, we had a risk from foreign sources, in particular terrorism from

00:03:07.240 Islamic groups. And that went against the then narrative in the 90s. Well, here we are again,

00:03:15.700 20 years later, and the narrative put forth by the left that, oh, it's unthinkable that Putin would

00:03:22.200 attack. Lou, we have the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Joseph Dunford, in his testimony in

00:03:29.460 2015, saying the Russians were our greatest threat. I just, this is all public record. But somehow this

00:03:35.740 is, quote unquote, unthinkable, unthinkable that the Russians would do this. And the other thing I've 0.75

00:03:41.220 noticed... I'm sorry to interrupt you. But there is a more approximate example, and that is the fact

00:03:47.720 that they did annex Crimea in 2014. So there shouldn't be any doubt about their expansionary

00:03:55.000 interest when it comes to particularly Ukraine. I'm sorry, Tony. Go ahead.

00:04:00.480 Well, this leads me to my next point, which is then the narrative, it was unnecessary for Putin to do

00:04:05.420 this. Or I love Condoleezza Rice. Putin is insane. I'm sorry, no, Ms. Rice. Putin is not insane.

00:04:13.240 Apparently, it is necessary because he did it. So the first thing we have to do is collect ourselves

00:04:19.760 and push back against this confirmation bias the left wants us to believe. They want to set up a

00:04:27.000 narrative. And to protect that narrative, they will attack anyone, to include those who speak

00:04:32.860 the truth. And I'd like to believe we three on this discussion have always been warriors to try

00:04:40.100 to say, no, this is the objective truth, and you need to pay attention to it. So I would argue at this

00:04:45.160 point, we have been victimized by a Biden White House, which has essentially established a narrative

00:04:52.740 which they want to protect. Every step of the way, they've tried to establish their view of the world

00:05:00.180 and black is white, dark is light, all these things which we know fundamentally to not be true.

00:05:09.480 And that's the stat. That's where we're at now, even to this day, Lou, after I've spoken to a number

00:05:17.000 of former Ronald Reagan cabinet members, you know, Bud McFarlane, Ambassador Hank Cooper,

00:05:28.720 Ed Meese, they recognize the strength that Reagan had and that he would focus on the truth and focus

00:05:38.020 on personalities. Lou, Joe Biden has no understanding of Putin. He is, instead of trying to figure out

00:05:47.840 how to affect Putin, he's trying to protect the narrative. That's why I've made this point.

00:05:53.000 They set up this straw man, and then they protect that straw man. And while the reality is moving on

00:06:01.180 down the road, Putin is moving on down the road. He's executing his plan. He said today that his

00:06:07.220 plan to invade Ukraine is going as they expected. They've had some hiccups, but he said they're all,

00:06:12.080 I tend to believe, take him at his word. And instead of doing what is necessary to identify

00:06:17.680 Putin's vulnerabilities, they're essentially, they, the Biden administration is still pretending

00:06:24.700 that this narrative is the reality in which we live. And essentially, he judges his success by how

00:06:31.260 many people he can get in his coalition to say good things about what the U.S. is doing, not actually

00:06:37.560 providing a series of things necessary to counter Putin. So my basic assessment is the Biden

00:06:45.400 administration has no idea what they're doing. Putin's three steps ahead of them. And we're in

00:06:50.080 a very dangerous position where I don't think they have a plan to counter Putin at all. So that's my

00:06:55.840 opening take on this. Chris Farrell. Let me jump in and say that Putin took Crimea under Obama-Biden.

00:07:04.580 He did nothing even remotely in the same vein of aggression under a Trump presidency. But now he's

00:07:12.780 got Biden back in the White House, and he knows what he's looking at. He knows that he's got a

00:07:17.480 doddering octogenarian who, you know, shows signs of loss of mental acuity and a really

00:07:25.640 weak lineup in the foreign policy cabinet of his. And they know they can get away with it. And they

00:07:36.420 know that there's little or no real risk. Sure, there's talk of sanctions, but, you know, China is

00:07:44.400 going to be the backdoor on all the sanctions talk. China is going to move money for the Russians.

00:07:50.940 China is going to buy oil and natural gas from them. China is going to exert its substantial

00:07:57.880 economic power to lean back against anybody who brings too much pressure against the Russians.

00:08:04.880 Even the Biden administration is conflicted. We're still importing Russian oil. I mean, come on.

00:08:09.940 The movement to exercise actions in SWIFT, the banking system,

00:08:16.680 has been against some Russian banks, but not all Russian banks. So the administration is hypocritical 0.90

00:08:23.760 as can be. Even Joe Manchin has put out a press release in his capacity as chairman of the Senate 0.96

00:08:30.520 Energy Committee, talking about how the administration is hypocritical and conflicted. 0.86

00:08:36.320 So, you know, the Russians will grind on and they will take Ukraine. And a lot of Ukrainians are going 0.99

00:08:44.320 to die if it's going to be a mess. There's a lot of armchair quarterbacks and armchair generals who

00:08:50.980 are, you know, kind of repeating whatever the latest bit of propaganda is or speculating about

00:09:00.460 things like the 42 mile long convoy outside of Kiev. But a lot of that, frankly, is just, you know,

00:09:07.720 desperation to come up. They've got to fill air. You know what I mean? They can't have the media. 0.79

00:09:12.400 Yeah. And so they'll just go on and on and on endlessly. But Putin detected weakness.

00:09:19.320 He knew he could leverage his natural gas supplies to Western Europe. Remember,

00:09:24.300 the first reaction from the Germans when this all got cranked up, the first reaction from the

00:09:29.400 Germans was not let's, you know, unify with Ukraine and the U.S. Let's have a strong NATO.

00:09:35.020 The first reaction from the Germans was, hey, we're willing to send you 5,000 helmets. I mean,

00:09:42.640 that characterizes the real reaction from Europe.

00:09:46.480 And intriguingly, they changed their minds and did so very quickly. And I suspect because

00:09:53.000 Vladimir Zelensky turned out to be quite, quite a leader and captured the imagination of a worldwide

00:10:03.800 television audience. I can't think of another reason why they would have made that reversal,

00:10:08.860 other than the fact that they realized that they had made a serious, serious mistake, at least in

00:10:15.640 terms of public relations globally. I think that that's what really got to them, was the idea that

00:10:21.940 they were going to be embarrassed and shamed. And look, that's a good thing, right? I mean, you can

00:10:27.360 call people out for what they do or don't do. People can even do the right thing for the wrong

00:10:32.540 reasons, right? And this is, this is a case where the Germans had to kind of snap to and, and were

00:10:41.040 forced, as you say, through good PR from Zelensky calling them out.

00:10:46.420 And I have to, and I have to credit the Germans for doing so. I agree with you entirely on that. 0.97

00:10:51.100 Tony, what is the national interest here? Because we could observe the narratives. We can observe the

00:10:58.440 messaging. We can observe the posturing of the, of NATO, the European Union, the United States.

00:11:07.360 Of course, Putin is at this point out of the message business. He is at war and it is driving

00:11:16.380 many in the West nuts because he doesn't care about public opinion. He doesn't care about the

00:11:22.300 narrative in popular press. He doesn't care about the views, opinions, or desires of his own people,

00:11:28.300 as he's made clear. What is in the U.S. national interest in this conflict in Ukraine?

00:11:36.400 Lou, no one has defined any national interest to any great degree, I would argue, since the

00:11:43.940 Reagan did. I mean, we've been a bit here, a bit there. To Chris's point, there is no policy regarding

00:11:52.660 Ukraine or the Russians. I feel terrible for the Ukrainian people, Lou. They're caught in the

00:12:00.440 middle of this power play between the East and West. Putin has been using this technique of,

00:12:07.580 of manipulation and aggressive use of military force since Chechnya. He was part of the Chechnya,

00:12:14.820 attacks back in 99. That's how he got his profile. And he's used it over and over. Lou, over this

00:12:21.840 time, we have not established either a specific policy regarding Ukraine, regarding NATO, regarding

00:12:28.500 Russia. We have no policy. So there is no ability to judge national interest at this point. I think

00:12:35.800 what we do see is the Democrat Party, I just saw today, Nancy Pelosi is blaming high oil prices,

00:12:42.920 high gas prices on Ukraine. No, no, no, it's not because of Ukraine. One could argue that our lack

00:12:50.180 of national interest or national policy towards foreigners has actually created conditions for

00:12:56.300 this to happen. As Chris said, there was no aggression by Putin to this level or degree under Trump.

00:13:04.440 Well, I would argue, Lou, one of the reasons there was none is because President Trump, through his

00:13:08.780 interest in helping increase our economic independence, our energy independence, he opened

00:13:13.640 the spigots, he turned the United States into a net exporter of oil, dropped the price. Well, Lou,

00:13:19.520 50% of all income for the Russian government and Putin is oil's revenue from their sales. Well, if you

00:13:27.560 drop the bottom out of that, you don't have the money going to Putin. And yet in this case,

00:13:33.240 we're actually buying 10s of 1000s of gallons of Russian oil today, this very day. So when you

00:13:43.380 contrast the at least somewhat focused policy that would benefit the United States, while it was not

00:13:49.620 a policy designed to counter foes per se, Lou, the very things Trump was doing to empower the economy

00:13:57.160 in the United States actually had an adversarial and detrimental effect on Putin. It was great. 1.00

00:14:03.320 Two for one. We simply do not have leaders in place right now, Lou, who have this understanding

00:14:09.060 of the mechanics, or I should say, have the willingness to accept the mechanics for what they

00:14:15.640 are. Again, I think that the Biden administration is tied to a narrative they're trying to establish and

00:14:21.100 maintain and ignore all facts that relate otherwise. You know, Lou, the Nuremberg trials established

00:14:28.760 that waging a war of aggression was a crime. Ironically, the Soviet Union that sat on that 0.81

00:14:36.760 tribunal, somehow we developed amnesia and we forgot that the Soviet Union invaded Poland

00:14:42.560 from the east about a week or 10 days after the Nazis invaded Poland from the west. So setting aside

00:14:52.420 that very unpleasant and awkward historical fact, you know, we held Nuremberg trials and convicted

00:14:58.460 people and executed some and jailed others for waging a war of aggression. And I think that's what 0.52

00:15:04.500 we find objectionable now with, you know, Putin, in the words of our illustrious vice president,

00:15:12.220 a really big country invaded a really little country, and that's bad, or words to that effect. 0.61

00:15:19.420 I'm sure you saw Kamala Harris's ridiculous radio appearance. And so look, we look at what Russia's 1.00

00:15:25.960 doing and we say, hey, this is objectively wrong. It's aggression. You're killing civilians. It violates

00:15:34.160 all sorts of conventions and treaties. But beyond that notion, and it's an important notion, I'm not

00:15:42.820 minimizing it, but it's very difficult to articulate to the average American how it threatens them.

00:15:50.760 And it takes some real thought and some real sort of mastery of the language to be able to

00:15:57.080 lay out how, you know, standing by and doing nothing is not acceptable. But the Biden administration

00:16:03.180 isn't capable of that. He had a State of the Union address where he spent the first half of it

00:16:07.540 talking about Ukraine, but never really explained. And okay, though, this is bad. I got it. It is bad.

00:16:14.880 But why does it matter to us? And why is Ukraine's border more important than our own southern border?

00:16:22.540 See, this is the hypocrisy that they're caught in. And they have a hard time making it real to the

00:16:28.840 average American.

00:16:29.640 I think that's right. And I think it is important, this comparison between the Biden interest in the

00:16:38.580 Ukrainian borders and disinterest in the U.S. borders. In fact, U.S. immigration law, as well as our sovereignty

00:16:48.280 itself. It is, to me, inexplicable that the border of the United States can be dismissed and that you would even

00:16:59.380 consider a foreign border to be paramount. This is not America first, certainly, but we knew that going 0.91

00:17:07.700 in, didn't we? But Biden, to Tony's point, has no policy. No policies existed, it seems, for a very long

00:17:16.240 time, with looking at the Trump administration as the anomaly there, because he meant it when he said

00:17:24.440 America first. He meant it when he threatened, reportedly, to annihilate Moscow, if, indeed, 0.83

00:17:35.740 Putin decided he was going to try to take Ukraine. These are very simple, direct statements of policy,

00:17:43.160 and they seem to have been listened to and believed, and that's a good thing for all the world.

00:17:48.800 Well, Lou, I'd like, I'd like to hit that point you just made real quick, because it relates directly

00:17:53.540 to the, to the issue of lack of policy. Reagan famously said in 19, the 2nd of June, 1998,

00:18:01.380 when he was asked, what is, what is his, how would he, what's his strategy on beating the Russians?

00:18:10.720 And his answer was, here's my strategy on the Cold War. We win, they lose. That's it. And the method

00:18:20.740 that they, they imply, they used to do that, Lou, was focusing on the man. Arguably, Chris did a great

00:18:29.260 job of describing the Joe Biden that's in the White House, addled, unfocused, weak. Putin knows this.

00:18:37.580 He is playing the man. Biden is not playing Putin. Putin is vulnerable any number of ways.

00:18:47.160 The policy is, Lou, to ignore those vulnerabilities, to ignore the fact that Russia makes most of its 0.96

00:18:53.340 money off of oil. We could impact that immediately. Sure, as Chris said, they could go around and

00:18:58.000 go to China. They will do that eventually anyway. But there's things we could do now to have an effect.

00:19:03.080 And the other thing that is lacking here is making it personal to Putin. Putin is a thug. Putin is only 0.98

00:19:10.760 going to understand power back at him. Everything that's been done, everything that's being proposed

00:19:17.700 means nothing to Putin. Therefore, I would argue that Biden has no ability to influence a situation at

00:19:27.740 all, which is not my judgment makes it very dangerous. Because the thing that's now on the

00:19:31.680 table, Lou, and this is something, this is why I opened my commentary with, you know, this, all these

00:19:37.320 things that people think are unthinkable. Putin has reintroduced the concept of nuclear warfare

00:19:42.620 to the world. And people are all like, Oh, this is unthinkable. No, this is not unthinkable. It's time we

00:19:50.780 understand if Putin says something about that, you need to know he is deadly serious about it. And there

00:19:57.300 was a number of times during the Cold War, that the Russians almost launched on us a book, War Scare 0.75

00:20:04.880 1983, my friend, Dr. Peter Prye wrote it. We were almost hit by the Russians, Lou, during an exercise called

00:20:11.820 Abel Archer, because the Russians thought we, the Soviets thought we were going to do something. So

00:20:16.140 this is where not only is Biden's lack of clarity on policy dangerous, his own weakness is an indicator

00:20:25.540 to Putin that maybe it's time to act even more aggressively. That is the great danger we now face,

00:20:32.140 is that not only do we have someone who's not capable of understanding, his own incapacitation

00:20:38.980 is something that is actually drawing more aggressive behavior from Putin.

00:20:44.700 Well, they also just have plain old lousy judgment. And by that, I mean, there's reporting in the New

00:20:51.620 York Times, which is essentially the Biden administration's version of Pravda. You know,

00:20:57.180 it's the official organ or mouthpiece of the administration. New York Times says that the

00:21:02.620 Biden administration made multiple trips to the Chinese and presented them with intelligence

00:21:08.980 information, arguably the imagery intelligence and signals intelligence, to convince the Chinese

00:21:16.000 that we could see and understand and know what the Russians were up to, and to ask the Chinese to go to 0.94

00:21:23.140 the Russians and tell them, knock it off. Don't do it. We see what you're doing. We know what you're doing. 1.00

00:21:28.280 And to try to, you know, have the Chinese act as any intermediaries or leverage or whatever you want to call it.

00:21:34.780 And the Biden administration was repeatedly rebuffed. The Chinese told them, drop dead. 0.89

00:21:41.200 But what I'm concerned about is what kind of goodies, what kind of technical capabilities,

00:21:47.060 the different flavors of intelligence that are out there, how much did we give away to the Chinese

00:21:52.240 in trying to show off and explain to them how we have this all-knowing, all-seeing, all-hearing ability

00:21:58.600 to, you know, monitor the activities of the Russians. And, you know, here's the deal.

00:22:06.620 The administration bends over backwards to try to, you know, run to the Chinese and ask for their help.

00:22:12.400 They're rebuffed. But in the end, yes, the Chinese and the Russians are laughing at us. 0.99

00:22:17.080 And they get, you know, a very good understanding of exactly what our capabilities are.

00:22:21.400 And it's all for naught. And in fact, what it does is it further drives the Russians and the Chinese 0.99

00:22:28.620 together against us. And this is all because of incredibly weak, poor decision-making policies

00:22:36.440 by the Biden administration.

00:22:39.780 Let's turn to that issue of China, because China is now offering itself up to all of the world

00:22:47.660 as an intermediary savior for Western civilization, because Xi Jinping would be the most effective

00:22:57.020 and honest broker imaginable to decide the fate of his sole global strategic partner, Vladimir Putin

00:23:09.040 versus Vladimir Zelensky. I mean, this is madness.

00:23:16.360 And newspapers, websites, news organizations don't even comment on it contextually.

00:23:24.000 And at the same time, we have a press corps in the United States, a corporate news media

00:23:32.220 that is taking all of this nonsense and not asking the question, why is it our intelligence people

00:23:38.980 and our diplomats were talking with China three months ago, as Putin is preparing to invade Ukraine,

00:23:47.420 but doesn't have high-level discussions with NATO, the European Union?

00:23:52.660 And oh, yes, by the way, perhaps we should be addressing this issue with the American people

00:23:57.920 and have our own forces at the ready from the moment that intelligence is confirmed.

00:24:04.900 How in the world is this administration operating?

00:24:09.000 I watched Tony Blinken in the State of the Union.

00:24:15.720 He looked like he had been run over by a semi.

00:24:18.560 He looked awkward, out of place, understandably preoccupied.

00:24:24.400 Your thoughts?

00:24:25.120 So, Lou, Blinken is running the same basic circus that Cy Vance ran under Carter.

00:24:34.820 I actually had this conversation with Ambassador Cooper this morning, this very issue.

00:24:39.260 Cy Vance, under the Carter administration, to the Soviets, and by the way, to the Iranians,

00:24:46.180 were showing a complete inability to understand their motivation and thereby portrayed everything

00:24:55.360 that the Carter administration was doing as weak.

00:24:58.040 And it was.

00:24:59.680 President Carter was, by many accounts, I don't want to judge it, a well-intentioned man

00:25:06.040 who always sought to use diplomacy and peace as the lead effort to resolve a situation.

00:25:13.320 And that philosophy that was put forth by Cy Vance simply dug the Carter administration

00:25:22.800 into a deeper and deeper hole with our adversaries.

00:25:26.080 I would argue, Lou, we're seeing the same thing again.

00:25:30.440 It's like deja vu all over again, to quote Yogi Berra.

00:25:33.880 They're doing the same thing.

00:25:35.460 Every time there's an issue that requires confrontation or confidence,

00:25:40.680 they show weakness and fear.

00:25:44.660 And so Blinken is the expression of that, that he's the guy on the front line demonstrating.

00:25:50.820 So China sees this.

00:25:51.960 China, China's goal is to establish itself as the next ultimate global power that replaces 0.98

00:26:01.380 the United States.

00:26:02.280 They've said this in their military doctrine.

00:26:04.160 They're acting on this as a plan, and they see things through generations, not three to

00:26:11.340 four-year periods.

00:26:12.160 So they've committed to this.

00:26:14.260 They're going down that path.

00:26:16.180 And, Lou, if they can become the ones who negotiate this peace between Putin and others,

00:26:20.820 my goodness, that only adds to the prestige and respect that others are going to have for

00:26:27.320 them as they move forward with this.

00:26:29.080 So we've got to decide, Lou, as a nation, is allowing a China to become that level of 1.00

00:26:36.260 influential in our interests.

00:26:39.040 I would argue it's not.

00:26:40.640 I think this should be something we address as part of our global strategy.

00:26:45.580 Hint, hint.

00:26:45.960 Nobody seems to be willing to have this discussion.

00:26:48.480 And the American media continues to ignore these issues as we're talking about right now.

00:26:53.320 But with everything on the table, it's very clear that we're seeing the Carter administration

00:27:02.440 2.0 on display.

00:27:05.420 And that weakness, that showing of weakness, is what the Chinese are counting on at this 1.00

00:27:11.040 point as they go forward and develop their own strategy for increasing their influence

00:27:16.280 over the world.

00:27:18.160 Let me bring this back to the issue of national interest.

00:27:23.320 What is our national interest in Ukraine?

00:27:28.340 Is this a clash of civilizations, West and East, East and Asia? 0.69

00:27:36.660 This is, what is this?

00:27:39.260 Is it good versus evil?

00:27:41.080 Is it right versus wrong?

00:27:42.980 Or is it in real politic terms, a nation that has been a superpower for the past 80 years,

00:27:53.360 now suddenly about to hand over the mantle to Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping because of

00:28:01.940 some craven corporate entities who've decided that it would be in their interest to have American

00:28:08.200 capital move west to Shanghai, Beijing, all of China, and ignore our own interest and investment

00:28:19.120 and a future for our children?

00:28:21.500 What is going on here, Chris?

00:28:24.300 What is the national interest for the United States?

00:28:28.280 And why is it so difficult to get an answer to that question from the people we've elected

00:28:34.360 to lead this nation?

00:28:36.300 There is zero ability on the part of the Biden administration to articulate any sort of national

00:28:43.520 interests in terms that Americans can understand and appreciate and value. 0.98

00:28:51.760 And in large part, it's because of both weak leadership and hypocritical, ridiculously conflicted 0.79

00:28:58.680 positions philosophically, ideologically by the Biden administration, but even personally. 0.56

00:29:06.440 I mean, you know, you would think that the most qualified guy in the room to broker some

00:29:12.880 kind of deal would be Hunter Biden, right?

00:29:15.540 Here's a guy who's got all kind of regional experience in Ukraine and Russia.

00:29:18.880 He should be a subject matter expert and advising and assisting his father.

00:29:25.220 Besides my outrageous facetiousness, the larger question is, you know, how many Americans are

00:29:35.760 ready to go send their sons and daughters off to go die on a battlefield in Ukraine?

00:29:41.340 And that answer is probably a pretty small percentage of people.

00:29:46.120 So does that mean that Russia just gets a pass? 0.73

00:29:48.620 They can do whatever the damn well, please?

00:29:51.440 No, there's probably a way to use this is a wonderfully archaic cold word, cold war term. 0.91

00:29:57.920 We can use deterrence.

00:29:59.680 Imagine that.

00:30:01.000 But it's too late now.

00:30:02.520 It's too late to deter Putin.

00:30:04.360 That's another failure on the Biden administration's part.

00:30:07.880 You know, the invasion has occurred.

00:30:09.880 We're not going to threaten and cajole or influence Putin to do or not do something.

00:30:15.560 You know, the horse is out of the barn.

00:30:18.320 So how do we do now we're at the stage of damage control and damage control doesn't sell

00:30:26.600 very well.

00:30:27.340 It's not very sexy.

00:30:28.640 It's not very interesting.

00:30:29.660 It's very deadly business.

00:30:32.780 And it just, it puts, it just, it harms our natural interest, national interest.

00:30:41.480 But I have a very hard time being able to articulate a vision forward.

00:30:46.740 Not right now, I don't.

00:30:48.500 And let me jump in with Chris on this.

00:30:52.480 There are national interests in that there are strategic issues that have to be addressed.

00:31:00.560 Lou, I would argue some accords got us in trouble.

00:31:03.880 The Minsk Accord in 2014, where that was supposed to be the great resolution to the issue of Crimea.

00:31:10.920 It didn't go anywhere.

00:31:11.840 Before that.

00:31:12.420 I believe the guiding vision there was a community organizer.

00:31:16.380 Exactly.

00:31:17.760 Not a geopolitical statesman.

00:31:21.640 And what I'm asking here is what is our national interest?

00:31:25.660 A hard rock, tough, analytical question that deserves a straightforward answer from the Biden

00:31:35.360 administration, which instead of giving us the answers, we have Nancy Pelosi today saying ban oil. 1.00

00:31:45.140 And whose interest is that?

00:31:49.320 That's a wonderfully reflexive and short, short minded answer.

00:31:55.100 Because what would result from that is not Vladimir Putin in any discomfort whatsoever, but rather every American looking at the prospect of $6 to $7 a gallon gasoline, which would hurt every American because that would roll throughout the economy.

00:32:13.360 We have a president who stood up and said he's, by golly, going to take 60 million barrels of oil out of reserves, and we'll put up 30 of that, and the rest of the world can put up another 30, which is some of the most ridiculous calculus I've heard in a while, even from this administration.

00:32:35.340 30 million, 30 million, that's at the most, that's two, three days of oil.

00:32:43.320 We're importing, we're importing hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil every day from Russia.

00:32:53.340 That isn't the issue.

00:32:54.820 The issue is they've invaded a country.

00:32:57.240 The other issue is what the hell are we doing talking about sanctions?

00:33:01.060 Sanctions don't work. 0.92

00:33:03.360 They have never worked, and I will be glad to hear the exception if anybody wants to raise it.

00:33:10.140 They don't work.

00:33:12.200 This man built Vladimir Putin, the most advanced military outside of China and the United States in the world.

00:33:21.320 And he had, as you both know better than me, they had to start with some pretty low levels of readiness in what was the old Soviet Union to get where they are.

00:33:33.360 And today, sanctions don't work.

00:33:36.280 We should also never forget, Lou, that when it comes to grinding out unpleasant ground conflicts and just going toe-to-toe interminably with incredibly high losses, you know, the Russians invented misery, right? 1.00

00:33:56.300 Oh, yes.

00:33:56.660 They know misery like nobody knows it.

00:33:59.580 And so whether you look at their World War II experience or down in Afghanistan or in Chechnya, you know, them taking their time and grinding up Ukraine over a period of months, they have no qualms with that. 0.97

00:34:15.700 I mean, the United States doesn't have the stomach for it.

00:34:18.660 Western European countries certainly don't.

00:34:22.080 And so the mindset and the view and the mentality is very different.

00:34:27.980 And Putin is the one-man face of Russia, and he's not going to be beaten.

00:34:32.900 He's not going to allow himself to be defeated.

00:34:36.920 And so, you know, there are people who are probably advising Zelensky to go for neutrality, to broker a deal, to stop whatever is going to happen here and swear that Ukraine will never join NATO and never even think about it again or make some other sort of concessions.

00:34:56.280 But, you know, the Russian monster is out of the box, and you're not going to put him back in. 1.00

00:35:02.640 Right.

00:35:02.840 And there's a deeper level of this move of why you've answered your own question, why there's a there's not a policy by the Biden administration, because the Biden family didn't want a policy resolution.

00:35:14.000 And here's why in 2012, there were great undiscovered, then discovered, undeveloped, I should say, fields of natural gas and oil in Ukraine, so much so in the region near the Donbass and also in the Black Sea.

00:35:34.400 Such reserves were discovered to potentially allow Ukraine to become a net competitor, economic competitor against Russia.

00:35:43.180 Now, remember, Russia makes 50 percent of its oil off of 50 percent of its income off oil.

00:35:48.700 They did not want Ukraine to first off become a competitor.

00:35:51.720 But that's why Hunter Biden became a board member of Burisma, Lou.

00:35:57.060 The Biden family wanted to be in on this.

00:35:59.840 They played both sides against the middle.

00:36:01.720 It's all about how they can benefit themselves.

00:36:03.680 And I would argue, obviously, Chris and company are still involved in that investigation.

00:36:07.600 That's great.

00:36:08.300 God bless them.

00:36:09.240 But I think they're going to come to find once they get down to the nitty gritty.

00:36:12.020 A lot of this had to do with the fact that there are resources there that Putin does not want to have developed by a potential competitor.

00:36:21.980 And that's why the Biden family was deeply involved.

00:36:24.620 That's why Joe Biden himself jumped in and had people fired when these relationships were becoming much more apparent.

00:36:32.580 And so you actually have someone in the White House, Lou, who did not want a policy.

00:36:36.420 There's no reason today.

00:36:39.120 There's no reason.

00:36:40.060 There's no technical or diplomatic reason why Ukraine could not be or could not have been made a member of NATO.

00:36:47.580 This was a political triangulation where those in political positions of authority wanted this out there as a point of leverage to benefit them financially.

00:36:57.040 And let me say this, both all the major countries we're talking about, Ukraine, Russia, they all have corruption at the very top.

00:37:05.700 That's how they do business.

00:37:07.440 And we have to understand that as a backdrop of why things are the way they are.

00:37:11.880 It's not a system based on representative Republican ideals.

00:37:16.200 It's about essentially a handful of folks controlling resources.

00:37:19.480 So are you gentlemen telling this audience that Russia and Ukraine are not candy rock mountains that should be warmly received intellectually by the world audience as civilized states

00:37:40.180 and have deep and subterranean motives for what is transpiring on the pages of our newspapers, websites, and TV sets?

00:37:56.180 Let me jump in and just tell you that, you know, most people, as of two weeks ago, couldn't find Ukraine on a map.

00:38:05.620 They probably, maybe only half, could find it now.

00:38:08.100 There's a lot of propaganda on both sides, some weird fairy tale stories that sound good but may not be based in reality.

00:38:18.820 You've got members of Congress sitting at the State of the Union wearing the little blue and yellow pins or, you know, clothing.

00:38:26.720 I was in downtown D.C. this morning.

00:38:31.140 I'm now safely back in Virginia, thank God.

00:38:33.800 And I can tell you that, you know, they have Ukrainian flags flying off of all of the light poles downtown.

00:38:41.360 There's American flag, D.C. flag, and Ukrainian flag.

00:38:45.280 Which one's on top?

00:38:47.100 That's the question, probably the Ukrainian one. 0.92

00:38:49.600 But I mean, this is the sort of pathetic sideshow, trivializing, wear a pin, you know, talk as though Ukraine is the most important thing in the world. 1.00

00:39:03.080 While, you know, the Biden administration in the last year presided over a two and a half time increase in the amount of fentanyl in the country. 0.95

00:39:14.060 That's the number one killer of Americans, 18 to 45. 1.00

00:39:17.800 We're not supposed to pay attention to that.

00:39:20.180 Don't wear a pin.

00:39:21.880 Don't wear a pin or have a flag for that.

00:39:24.680 But we're supposed to, you know, do backflips over Ukraine.

00:39:27.440 Yeah, I just wanted to interject to say that fentanyl has become such a big business that the Chinese now have a competitor. 1.00

00:39:36.440 And that is, of course, the cartels in Mexico, both China and Mexico, perfectly willing to ship as much of it here.

00:39:46.480 What, 100,000 deaths last year.

00:39:49.580 Those deaths in Ukraine, I don't know what they are.

00:39:52.920 I do know they're understated considerably in the national media.

00:39:55.940 It's going to be far worse than anything that we would imagine based on the reporting right now from Ukraine. 0.98

00:40:02.620 But at the same time, nothing near the number of Americans we lost to a war on drugs that we don't fight.

00:40:12.120 As we talk about this, I think it's important to focus on that answer by Nancy Pelosi.

00:40:19.540 Let's ban that oil. 1.00

00:40:20.980 We have Biden, the president of the United States, saying today that the Capitol Hill riot actually inspired Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine.

00:40:32.600 And then he also lied by saying that those rioters killed five policemen.

00:40:38.640 And no one has, to my knowledge, at least, corrected the good president.

00:40:43.100 And these lies go on and they percolate normally and daily out of the left, the Marxist left of the Democratic Party, whether it is the national media, corporate media, whether it is the Democratic leadership on the House or the Senate.

00:41:01.580 It just goes on and on is there maybe a lesson in all of this that we should take care of business at home and ask ourselves, how is it that we have a mentally impaired?

00:41:16.200 It appears president, 62 percent of Americans believe he's not mentally fit to be president.

00:41:22.620 And no one is really arguing that point professionally.

00:41:26.620 So the Biden administration refuses to establish a policy following a president who has established the clearest foreign policy, I think, in our country's history.

00:41:37.320 And that is America first, that refusal to be concrete and that refusal to be concrete and to be specific is in whose interest?

00:41:51.940 It's not in the national interest.

00:41:53.620 And is this really a war in Ukraine that is driven by forces that the national left-wing media and governments of Europe in particular refuse to acknowledge are at work?

00:42:10.780 Chris?

00:42:11.620 I'm sorry.

00:42:12.560 Well, the fact that the Biden administration can't articulate a policy is evidence of the forfeiture of U.S. leadership.

00:42:26.240 And if we're not going to lead, you're not going to see anybody in NATO stepping up to fill in the gap.

00:42:34.100 Everyone sort of would naturally defer to or look to Germany as being, you know, sort of the vice leadership or the secondary role.

00:42:44.920 But the Germans had to be dragged into paying attention to this because they're getting an enormous amount of their natural gas, 40 to 45 percent of their natural gas from Russia.

00:42:56.420 And so everyone's kind of, you know, they're wringing their hands and they're clutching their pearls and they're fanning themselves and expressing, you know, great distaste.

00:43:07.840 But really, the spectators, there's going to be a very slow, ugly, painful collapse of Ukraine under a Russia that's not going to quit. 0.99

00:43:19.440 And the West isn't really going to do anything.

00:43:23.040 That's a very sad prognosis, but that's my prediction.

00:43:27.740 And the lack of leadership, the lack of clear direction from the supposed leader of the free world is just going to compound this.

00:43:37.660 And when you when you put that on top of the Afghanistan disaster, it really leads China to just decide to go for broke and grab Taiwan. 0.89

00:43:47.540 They're they are watching this and they are studying us and we are a pathetic study right now.

00:43:57.820 We have allowed a president to be put in the White House who is incapable of performing his duties and leading in at least the standards of past presidents. 0.85

00:44:11.760 He is incapable of understanding the national interest in articulating it.

00:44:17.540 And, Tony, this is also a highly suspect moment because I'm wondering about the motivations of corporate America, the corporate media.

00:44:29.580 I am worried about the alignment that they have with communist China, which is the principal strategic partner of the man who is leading the first European invasion of this magnitude since World War Two. 0.91

00:44:44.180 Your thoughts, of course.

00:44:45.180 Of course. Look, Hollywood is owned by China. 0.98

00:44:50.860 Look, we have Disney and other studios literally rewrite, rewriting and refilming segments of movies just to appease China. 0.72

00:45:02.340 This is unheard of.

00:45:04.340 The electronic print media, electronic digital media, the print media, they're all beholden to the Chinese for essentially their their continued existence. 1.00

00:45:15.640 And I think that's why you see anything that's bad regarding China or China policy is ignored or suppressed.

00:45:24.440 And that's a larger link of why Putin is now partnering with China.

00:45:30.820 They both will benefit in the short term.

00:45:32.960 Eventually, there'll be problems.

00:45:34.400 But I think right now both sides see benefit.

00:45:36.840 And remember, Lou, one of the things Russia does blame us for, you might recall Victoria Newland of the U.S. State Department back in 2014 was on the phone, intercepted, encouraging the anti-Russian government to come into power in Ukraine.

00:45:55.620 So there's all these things that have been done by previous administrations, with the exception of the Trump administration, which have essentially been done to advantage the political leaders of the Democrat Party, not the United States.

00:46:10.780 They've created real problems.

00:46:12.280 And so when you see Nancy Pelosi, whose son, by the way, apparently is involved in some of this nonsense over there regarding businesses, when you see this, it's simply a camouflage.

00:46:23.240 When they say, oh, we need to focus on Ukraine, it's a camouflage to justify and hide the bad outcomes of their domestic policy.

00:46:33.060 They're literally using this as a scapegoat to hide the failure of their own policy.

00:46:37.060 Well, the issue to me seems to be, to me to be, that the two largest totalitarian powers on the globe are now aligned in a strategic partnership.

00:46:50.720 One is carrying out open warfare in Europe against Ukraine, and the other is preparing to do so, it says, to retake Taiwan,

00:47:03.140 and has made its ambitions clear in the South China Sea.

00:47:07.720 We are dealing with this with great clarity.

00:47:11.160 They're right in front of us doing exactly as they have.

00:47:14.460 There is nothing surreptitious or covert about what they're doing because it's blatant, it's bloody, and it's brutal.

00:47:22.320 And the next phase may well be Asia and Indochina.

00:47:27.960 Your thoughts, Chris?

00:47:29.680 I think that, you know, President Trump said, look, we're getting out of Afghanistan, and here's how we're going to do it.

00:47:38.680 And he had a phased, checked plan.

00:47:44.500 And for months and months before, there wasn't a single attack, no deaths to U.S. soldiers or airmen and Marines in Afghanistan.

00:47:56.300 Biden made it clear that we're exhausted.

00:48:01.500 We can't take it anymore.

00:48:03.680 We're fatigued, and we're done.

00:48:06.320 And the tone of his withdrawal was markedly different than Trump.

00:48:12.120 Trump was sort of a, hey, look, we did what we said we're going to do.

00:48:15.780 We're fed up.

00:48:16.560 We're going home.

00:48:18.140 Sort of with a little bit of swagger.

00:48:21.080 And Biden projected the image of, we're exhausted and defeated, and we have to go home now.

00:48:27.740 And, of course, Afghanistan collapsed that way.

00:48:30.860 Now he's faced with Ukraine, and he has months and months of warning. 0.96

00:48:35.900 He doesn't do deterrence.

00:48:37.860 He does pathetic sanction threats that he admits himself were absolutely worthless and had no effect.

00:48:44.840 And now we see Russia invading Ukraine. 0.83

00:48:47.780 And as you just said a moment ago, China's watching this, and they're saying to themselves, America is spent.

00:48:53.580 They're exhausted.

00:48:54.720 They don't have the willpower.

00:48:56.180 They don't have the leadership.

00:48:57.500 They don't have the backbone.

00:48:58.760 They've got a Department of Defense under Lloyd Austin and Bishop Garrison, the chief political commissar, who's busy spending hours and hours with critical race theory training. 0.98

00:49:10.660 Their preparedness, their readiness sucks, to use a French term.

00:49:14.700 And now is our opportunity to make a move on Taiwan. 0.97

00:49:18.940 And that's what's coming next.

00:49:20.320 No uncertain terms.

00:49:23.360 Tony, you're going to get the last word here today.

00:49:25.640 So, yeah, I'm just trying to frame my answer around the practical understanding of what needs to be done versus what Biden's doing.

00:49:34.220 To Chris's point, the weakness demonstrated by Biden was, I think, the final assessment point for Putin regarding how weak Biden would be.

00:49:45.620 And as Chris alluded, I was part of the planning.

00:49:47.580 I talked to Mike Pompeo.

00:49:48.740 I understood their basic plan of how they wanted to pull us out, and it was done from a position of strength.

00:49:54.260 And one of the things that's notable that we learned during the Cold War is the more capability you link to a deterrent, the more effective that deterrent is.

00:50:02.880 And Trump was always linking specific capability to deterrents, and that was effective.

00:50:09.160 We have no such link at this point.

00:50:11.200 We have no ability to link.

00:50:12.640 So what do we do?

00:50:13.720 What do we do, Tony?

00:50:15.800 We've all lived that history.

00:50:18.160 We know it.

00:50:19.520 Presumably our leaders have as well.

00:50:21.460 They apparently have learned nothing.

00:50:23.300 What are we to do?

00:50:25.180 We've got just a little over a minute here.

00:50:27.940 In the same world, people would move forward with the impeachment of Joe Biden.

00:50:31.840 That's what you would do.

00:50:32.860 He is clearly not capable of holding the office of president.

00:50:36.740 Repeatedly, it's been demonstrated.

00:50:37.980 Absent of that, we've got to engage with those who will be willing to do something when we roll back in.

00:50:45.100 Right now, Lou, I'm having conversations with members of Congress and the Senate who will be in a position to do something legislatively after this year, after I believe we win the midterms.

00:50:54.980 Otherwise, if no one is willing to take action against Biden, we have to plan for 2024 and doing something then.

00:51:01.640 In the meantime, you're going to have a bunch of us behind the scenes doing our best to inform leadership of what they need to do to win this.

00:51:08.760 I wish I could put a happier face on it, Lou.

00:51:11.380 It's not looking very good at this point.

00:51:13.740 No, no, it's not.

00:51:15.660 And the three of us agree on that.

00:51:17.720 Like all Americans who care deeply for our country, we wish the outlook were otherwise.

00:51:23.340 I want to thank the London Center's Tony Schaefer and Judicial Watch's Chris Farrell, both great Americans.

00:51:31.640 Thanks for being with us today on The Great America Show, gentlemen, and for their straight talk on these important issues that are dominating our days.

00:51:40.340 I know a lot of folks are following events in Ukraine, and some are understandably worried whether religious or not.

00:51:47.920 Some folks have questions about these times and their faith.

00:51:51.960 I asked Pastor Robert Jeffress of the Dallas First Baptist Church to take up a few of those questions with us.

00:51:59.980 Thanks for being with us, Pastor.

00:52:01.420 To begin, why should people for whom religious liberty is important care about what's happening in Ukraine?

00:52:09.900 Well, Lou, it's good to be with you again.

00:52:12.400 You know, there are people, Christians and non-Christians alike, asking lots of questions.

00:52:17.940 They're horrified by the images they're seeing on the screen of men, women, innocent children being decimated by the Russians.

00:52:25.860 And I think President Trump was right when he said this is appalling. 1.00

00:52:30.040 Putin is a cold, stoned killer. 0.98

00:52:32.820 But I think what we need to understand is, first of all, Vladimir Putin's evil is no match for God's sovereignty. 0.99

00:52:42.180 And that's a comforting reminder that God really is in control.

00:52:46.860 The Old Testament prophet Daniel said that God is the one who elevates kings and destroys kings.

00:52:54.260 And I just encourage people to remember that in the final analysis, Vladimir Putin is no more than a piece of lint on the pages of history.

00:53:02.540 And God will flick him away whenever he's ready to do that.

00:53:06.500 God's purpose is not going to be thwarted by Vladimir Putin.

00:53:10.680 And then, you know, people wonder, and I'm hearing this, Lou, a lot, you know, is this going to be the event that triggers Armageddon and the end of the world?

00:53:19.280 And I think we need to understand that while the Bible says we're living in the end times, that doesn't mean the end is here yet.

00:53:27.960 I think there are some other things that have to happen.

00:53:30.840 Again, Jesus said in Matthew 24, 36, no man knows the time or the hour.

00:53:36.420 It may be next year.

00:53:37.880 It may be a thousand years.

00:53:39.340 The important thing is to be ready whenever it happens.

00:53:42.800 And then finally, Lou, I think we have a responsibility.

00:53:46.040 What we're seeing ought to recommit us to pray for God's grace on those innocent Ukrainians.

00:53:52.980 We're in touch, our church is, with churches in Ukraine.

00:53:56.900 We're trying to do what we can to support them.

00:53:59.100 And I don't think there's anything wrong with praying for God's wrath to be poured out upon Putin and his godless invaders.

00:54:08.160 You know, in the Psalms, David prayed for God's destruction of the enemies of God.

00:54:13.340 We ought to be praying for the success of the Ukrainians over the Russians.

00:54:18.280 And you're speaking in terms of theology.

00:54:24.340 God permits this kind of suffering that we see in Ukraine, permits the kind of evil that we see in Vladimir Putin.

00:54:34.720 I've heard a number of people talking about that over the last two weeks.

00:54:39.760 Yes, and it's a mystery, Lou.

00:54:43.140 I mean, some people are irate when I even suggest that God could somehow use this evil to achieve his purpose.

00:54:50.280 But the fact is, all history is his story.

00:54:54.160 And God uses evil.

00:54:56.080 He doesn't sanction evil.

00:54:57.580 He doesn't will evil.

00:54:58.940 But look at what he did with his own son.

00:55:01.180 And he allowed the torture and a crucifixion of his own son, Jesus Christ.

00:55:06.000 Was that good or evil?

00:55:07.980 Well, it was evil.

00:55:09.580 The people who did it had evil intentions.

00:55:11.920 But God used it for good to bring about our redemption.

00:55:16.020 And the same thing is true here.

00:55:18.000 Even the devil.

00:55:19.400 You know, Martin Luther said, even the devil is God's devil.

00:55:23.220 God can use anything to achieve his purpose.

00:55:26.040 I'd like to just conclude by bringing up a Pew Research Center poll on President Biden.

00:55:35.960 And one year in, Biden's job approval is down among black Protestants and other Christians and religious nuns.

00:55:44.860 That is, agnostics, atheists. 1.00

00:55:48.200 Your thoughts?

00:55:50.940 Well, I don't think it's any surprise.

00:55:52.780 I mean, with gas prices soaring everywhere, the religious and the non-religious had to fill up their tanks every week.

00:56:00.120 And so I think this runaway inflation we're seeing can certainly be credited to Joe Biden and his policies.

00:56:07.780 But beyond that, Lou, I think Christians are especially disappointed in the direction that he's gone.

00:56:14.160 It wasn't any surprise to me, but I think some people are surprised at how far to the left he's gone.

00:56:19.440 I said Sunday morning in my sermon that the Biden administration is the ungodliest administration in the history of America.

00:56:28.060 I mean, look, when it comes to religious liberty, it's Joe Biden and his administration that are rescinding every executive order on religious liberty that President Trump put into effect.

00:56:39.340 When it comes to abortion, it is Joe Biden who's arguing to uphold Roe v. Wade as the Supreme Court decides whether or not to overturn it.

00:56:49.560 It's Joe Biden who's sanctioning the destruction of 50 million children unborn in the womb.

00:56:56.980 And it's the Biden administration that is cramming this transgender agenda down the throats of the American people. 1.00

00:57:04.060 We've never seen anything like it.

00:57:06.980 And so that's why I say without hesitation, his administration is the ungodliest in the history of our country.

00:57:13.540 And hopefully it's going to be a short administration one term.

00:57:18.840 Well, that brings up the subject of elections.

00:57:20.660 Are we going to see evangelicals, are we going to see churchgoers support the Republican Party in this election?

00:57:31.560 And your thoughts on that?

00:57:35.800 Well, I think it depends on where the Republicans are.

00:57:38.580 I think people like myself do not feel wed to the Republican Party.

00:57:43.480 I'm going to vote for the candidates that uphold biblical values and those values that are good for America.

00:57:49.240 So I think Republicans have made a mistake in the past when they say, well, we've got the evangelicals regardless.

00:57:57.140 They don't have any other choice.

00:57:59.080 Well, Mitt Romney thought that too.

00:58:00.860 And evangelicals stayed at home.

00:58:02.900 I think it's when Republicans stand for biblical values, they'll enjoy evangelical support.

00:58:10.100 Yeah, and a lot of people are asking, given everything that is happening with this administration, watching Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer lead the Democrats, the neo-Marxist philosophy of the Democratic Party and what they've become.

00:58:29.000 How can one rationalize a vote for Joe Biden under those circumstances?

00:58:33.580 There's no way to do it.

00:58:35.900 Even though he says, you know, personally, he's religious and, you know, I don't doubt that.

00:58:42.040 That's between him and the Lord.

00:58:44.260 But what he votes for, what he sanctions is completely in opposition to the teaching of God's word.

00:58:50.840 And Marxism is a godless philosophy built on the concept there is no God except the state.

00:58:57.380 Nobody who understands God's word can be a supporter of Marxist philosophy.

00:59:03.340 These are tough times, difficult times at best for all of us to understand what is going on, either in a secular sense or certainly in a religious sense, a theological sense.

00:59:16.920 But to come to terms with what we're watching and how we comport ourselves, your thoughts about evangelical Christians and how they should be thinking and conducting themselves in these perilous times, how anyone who believes in God, who is a man or woman of faith, how they should think, how they should pray.

00:59:46.920 Well, I think, Lou, that's a great question.

00:59:49.180 And I preached on this Sunday.

00:59:51.100 I was preaching from Matthew 5, Jesus' words, when he said to his followers, remember, you're the salt of the earth and you're the light of the world.

00:59:59.460 Salt was a preservative.

01:00:01.200 It was used to delay the decay of meat in the days before refrigeration.

01:00:05.400 It couldn't prevent the decay, but it could delay the decay.

01:00:08.380 And in the same way, Jesus said, I'm leaving you here as my followers to be a preservative, to delay the decay, the rot of society so that people have longer to share the gospel.

01:00:20.680 That's why I get involved in politics, Lou.

01:00:23.320 Voting for the right people, that's not going to bring in the millennium, but it is going to push back against evil and give society a little bit longer to turn to faith in Christ.

01:00:33.500 But then he said, not only are you light, or pardon me, salt, you're to be light.

01:00:38.920 You're the light of the world.

01:00:40.560 And I would just remind Christians that we have one responsibility, and that's to point people to Jesus Christ.

01:00:47.360 And frankly, the darker the world, the darker the culture, the brighter the light of Christ shines.

01:00:53.600 And so I would say to our fellow Christians who are listening to this podcast, don't lose hope.

01:00:59.260 God is in control.

01:01:00.840 He has a purpose that he is working out for all of us.

01:01:04.940 Pastor Robert Jeffress, as always, eloquent, moving, and enlightening.

01:01:10.960 We thank you so much, as always.

01:01:13.700 I appreciate it, and God bless you.

01:01:17.120 It's great to hear your voice and your wisdom.

01:01:20.580 Always great to be with you, Lou.

01:01:22.080 Thank you so much.

01:01:23.600 All the best.

01:01:25.140 As you know, this show is all about truth, justice, and the American way, and that has always meant that we Americans talk straight and we're optimists, even when the times test us.

01:01:37.800 Times just like these.

01:01:40.180 Thank you for being with us today.

01:01:43.040 God bless you, and God bless America.

01:01:46.160 Join us again tomorrow for the Great America Podcast.

01:01:49.340 Stay in the fight.

01:01:50.140 Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

01:01:55.760 Thursday, we'll find outuler's deaths.

01:01:56.180 Peace.

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01:02:05.640 Peace.

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01:02:07.280 Launch America.

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01:02:09.240 Peace.

01:02:09.380 I'm good at it.

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01:02:12.200 Faith.

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01:02:12.440 gente.

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01:02:14.300 No.

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The Great America Show - March 04, 2022

PUTIN WON’T BE STOPPED AND IT’S CHINA’S TURN NEXT

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