00:14:34.660And they brought that back when after the party sees power, because if you get rid of objective testing
00:14:39.600and objective standards for getting in, everything becomes subjective.
00:14:43.380So now your diversity, equity and inclusion or personal struggle statement or whatever it is that you're supposed to submit
00:14:49.220that reveals your politics, that tells whether or not you're going to be a compliant party operative or not,
00:14:56.440becomes at least higher, if not the highest ranked idea or item that brings you into being admitted into the university.
00:15:05.900So that only party operatives are even getting in and only party operatives are getting out after they've been more thoroughly brought into party politics.
00:15:17.820Mao did this in China, used it to affect parts of the Cultural Revolution, ruined China utterly as a result,
00:15:25.780and then later realized, oh, well, we need to bring standardized testing back.
00:15:29.800This is very much like how the Soviet Union thought that physics was a bourgeois Western project up until the West got the nuclear bomb.
00:15:36.660And then all of a sudden, physics was very important for communism, too.
00:15:39.220So this is the kind of mistake, if you want to call it a mistake, that they make over and over and over and over again in these kind of broadly Hegelian Marxist kind of programs.
00:15:49.240Let's make everything subjective until it's a catastrophe, and then we'll go back to objective standards at the pleasure of the party.
00:15:56.520It's difficult to imagine a country that has reached this point having the energy and the drive to reverse course.
00:16:07.160What is your sense of the immediate future?
00:16:10.480The immediate future, I think, is going to be rocky.
00:16:12.540I have a very much more optimistic view than I did, say, in January.
00:16:17.460The truth is that people up to this point have not realized what's at stake.
00:16:23.380But I'm actually, as I travel around the country from city to city and talk to people all over the nation,
00:16:28.940I find out more and more and more that people are very rapidly waking up.
00:16:31.900What I see on the Internet reflects this.
00:16:33.460I see the Biden administration try to put out a new narrative.
00:16:36.500Oh, we're going to do this gender ideology thing, or we're going to do this feminism thing, global feminism thing,
00:16:40.980or whatever it happens to be, pronouns today from the State Department, or whatever it is.
00:16:45.200And I see these new narrative shifts not sticking very well.
00:16:50.020And I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that, yes, it actually could happen here.
00:16:54.880And their complacency is falling away as they start to realize it.
00:16:58.400What I believe is the case is that they needed both top-down, which they have in the Biden administration right now
00:17:03.500and in many state governments, but they also needed the bottom-up support.
00:17:07.820And it's because when you press down without having support from the bottom, the bricks just fall out the bottom.
00:17:12.140And I think that's actually where we are.
00:17:13.800They're dropping bricks out of the bottom of their plan as fast as possible.
00:17:17.420We call this red-pilling on the Internet these days.
00:17:19.780They're red-pilling people left, right, and center.
00:17:22.540And I genuinely mean that on the left as well.
00:17:25.060If you look at Virginia, you see what's happening with the scandals in education.
00:17:29.220So I think what's going to happen is that we have to understand that this regime, the Biden administration, knows that it has crossed the Rubicon.
00:17:38.580It knows that it is pushing something extraordinarily unpopular.
00:17:42.740It's going to become more and more unpopular.
00:17:45.040So it only has a few options available to it.
00:17:47.440But the main thing is that whatever direction it goes is going to continue to double down.
00:17:50.800What happens at the end of this, I can't tell you, but I think they're going to continue to try to force these, whether it's vaccine mandates and passports, whether it's going to be climate mandates or passports or whatever else.
00:18:03.380I think they're going to try to force this on people and force this on people for a while.
00:18:07.840And then I don't know what happens after that because people, I don't think, in the American Republic are going to take it much longer.
00:18:16.800They realize when Alexander Solzhenitsyn warned, we didn't love freedom enough, so we deserved everything that followed after, that they are in that story and that they are going to have to love freedom enough to do something about it.
00:18:29.420What can everyone do in your judgment to help reverse this tide?
00:18:38.740Well, the shortest answer is to not participate.
00:18:41.640This requires a little bit of discernment.
00:18:43.620You have to kind of be able to tell when you're being fed the narrative and when something might be legitimate.
00:18:49.740But I would advise everybody to be very suspicious of the narrative and then to try to predict why are they telling us this and what do they want us to do?
00:19:42.640They're trying to close those doors on us, but they haven't.
00:19:44.980Now, maybe gaining that, studying some specific subject like that and speaking up isn't your path.
00:19:50.300Well, then you should fall into whatever kind of support role that you can fall into.
00:19:54.880Maybe it's that you're going to help build community around in your neighborhood.
00:19:58.360You're going to get people together to talk about the issues.
00:20:00.640You're going to bring people together to talk about what this nation means and where we want it to go.
00:20:04.860To start re-knitting the fabric of America from the grassroots is something anybody can do.
00:20:10.020And I'm not, when I say support, I mean, you can also find people who are speaking up about this and you can back their program, whether it's sharing their materials, you know, donating to their causes, whatever.
00:20:19.360Those are things that you can do if you don't want to take it on.
00:20:21.540But you can also just do your part to bring your local neighborhood together and to get people to where they're starting to talk about this.
00:20:29.780Because it turns out that that is much more effective.
00:20:33.040If you look back all through the 20th century, how do you fight communism?
00:20:37.160This is what they say over and over and over again.
00:20:38.840And it stayed communism out of the United States and out of the West for the majority of the century.
00:20:44.320All you have to do is be very discerning and very clear and to make strong, stable communities so that they can't encroach on your values and knock you off of your base.
00:20:53.480One of the points I insist on in the podcast is to make it possible for people to understand how important community engagement really is.
00:21:02.600Of all the political races in the country, of course, the presidency remains the most important.
00:21:08.840But every citizen in this country has greater power over their local communities and their city and townships.
00:21:43.360And James Lindsay, by the way, is modest enough not to have mentioned his podcast, which is one of the places where you can go to to learn more about each one of these critically important issues, these cynical theories, as he styles them in his new book.
00:22:03.300And we're just delighted to have you with us.
00:22:16.180There is so much going on each day in this country.
00:22:19.760Sometimes it seems impossible to keep up with events, the cross currents, the ensemble of colorful and inscrupulous characters in our body politic,
00:22:29.220and particularly located in Washington, D.C., who stir a constant stir of assorted brew of corruption and constant disinformation and deceit.
00:22:43.680It's clearly a fact certain that this is, without question, one of those periods in American history that will be studied by historians and economists for decades.
00:22:53.580And there's no doubt that just as the presidency of Joe Biden has sped up our nation's dissent into further divide and decline,
00:23:02.520Mr. Biden and his family will be featured prominently in those studies to come years distant.
00:23:09.860But we don't have to wait for those laggard historians to better know the Bidens better or the swamp they've long inhabited.
00:23:17.780A terrific book has just been published, a captivating, compelling look inside the Biden family that you will find both, well, spellbinding and stemwinding, as they used to say.
00:23:30.380The book is entitled The Laptop from Hell, and the author is one of the country's very best political columnists and one of my very favorites, the New York Post's Miranda Devine.
00:24:16.200Yes, look, I'm pleased that it's done so well.
00:24:19.460And I think it shows that there's a real hunger out there for, I guess, the truth of about Joe Biden and his family and this influence peddling operation that they've been running since his early days as a senator of Delaware, which he internationalized when he became vice president.
00:24:38.240And, you know, we at the New York Post published a series of stories last year, just three weeks before the election, based on our investigation at that point of the laptop.
00:24:51.540We just published what we could verify in emails, which showed that at the very least, Joe Biden had lied to the American people during the campaign when he said that he had nothing to do with Hunter Biden's overseas business dealings, that he knew nothing about them.
00:25:08.520And, you know, there's ample evidence in the laptop and also in a couple of other sources of information that I've tapped into as part of that jigsaw puzzle,
00:25:18.640which indicate that Joe Biden met lots of Hunter Biden's overseas business partners.
00:25:24.860He met them in Beijing, he met them in his own residence in Washington, D.C., at the Naval Observatory.
00:25:34.080He met them from Mexicans and Kazakhstanis and Ukrainians and Russians and Chinese.
00:25:40.380He met them at a dinner in Cafe Milano in 2015.
00:25:43.720And I think, you know, a lot of these politicians get caught up because of the cover up as much as anything else.
00:25:50.460And really, Joe Biden's campaign and Joe Biden himself did not tell the truth to the American people about his involvement in this influence peddling scheme that his son and his brother were running.
00:26:04.580And I think that, as much as anything, is going to be a problem for him going forward.
00:26:08.840And one of the problems for him was certainly the discovery that the laptop was, indeed, Hunter Biden's.
00:26:19.440The reporting of The New York Post was spectacular.
00:26:23.220It was exemplary in terms of the kind of journalism we expect all of the national media to present to the body politic, the public,
00:32:41.000And when they did that, it really gave the signal to the rest of the media, the New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, who, you know, the anti-Trump media, who were all in the tank for Joe Biden before the election, really gave them the fig leaf that they needed not to cover the story.
00:32:59.560And then a couple of days later, the, you know, John Brennan letter came up and that was all the excuse they needed.
00:33:07.160And, you know, there are still to this day Americans who believe that the laptop was made up.
00:33:15.360It's been verified, you know, everywhere to Sunday.
00:33:18.680The emails have been verified with other recipients of the emails.
00:33:23.360As I said, the overlap with the Grasley-Johnson report, with the Bob Linsky material, with Bevan Cooney, another now a jailer, one of Hunter Biden's many jailed former business partners, also delivered some of his material to Peter Schweitzer and Matthew Tymon, other journalists who shared it with me.
00:33:41.360So, and Hunter Biden himself, I mean, this has been out for now more than a year, and the Bidens have just tried to ignore it.
00:33:49.520And Hunter Biden wrote his memoir, which was all about his crack addiction, which he has now kicked, he says.
00:33:57.920And I think that was, in a way, to neutralise the stuff that was coming out of the laptop about, you know, all the porn and the addiction and so on.
00:34:06.480So, but, you know, even in that sense, he misled people about a lot of parts of his life, including the fact that, you know, he got this stripper pregnant.
00:34:19.760She had to sue him to get DNA tests to prove that he was the father, which he was.
00:34:24.840He said in his memoir, he didn't even know her.
00:34:27.160He dedicates the book to his other children, doesn't mention this child who's now about two and a half.
00:34:31.480And, you know, he had this, I mean, he has a child, and it's somewhere in Arkansas.
00:34:38.120And this poor woman had to sue for recognition.
00:34:43.080But he says in his book that he can't even remember the encounter, but the laptop shows that they had a relationship going over several months.
00:34:49.900And he used to smuggle her into his office building at night.
00:34:53.600And, you know, there's just evidence galore.
00:34:56.900And they'd been text messaging and so on.
00:34:58.940So, you know, he wasn't straight, obviously, in that memoir.
00:35:03.320And it's just a pattern with the Bidens.
00:35:06.140I don't think there's really nothing that you can believe that comes out of Joe Biden's mouth.
00:35:11.100I mean, he spent his entire life, I think he's really lost the ability to tell truth from fiction.
00:35:46.520And I just think that from the book, you can see the true character of Joe Biden.
00:35:52.640And you can also compare the reality of what has been said in the documents and the receipts that I've produced from the laptop and these other sources with his public statements.
00:36:03.680And I think that's where he'll get tripped up.
00:36:06.700And Miranda, I've got to compliment you further, specifically for the audience, to understand that what Miranda has done in this book is take some of the most complex sets of facts and events and currents in our body politic and report them to you.
00:36:29.920To all of us are reading the book in a comprehensible fashion.
00:36:34.500As a journalist, I was taught early on, you know, it's it's one thing to be comprehensive, which you have been.
00:36:41.020It is quite another to be comprehensive and comprehensible, which you have brought together beautifully.
00:36:48.200And it is a work of art, journalistically.
00:36:52.880I just can't compliment you enough on that.
00:36:57.320As one who has also been covering that story, you know, I wish I had you as my daily guide in real time during that period.
00:37:06.500The corruption of the Biden family is clearly established and it's wide, it's broad, it's deep and it centers around one man.
00:37:18.240And that is the man who is president of the United States now.
00:37:21.280And the money that flowed to Hunter Biden, the largest sums of money that traveled to his pockets were from the communist Chinese, the same people that President Biden calls our competitors, holds a two and a half meeting with the president of China, President Xi, and won't tell reporters what they discussed, won't hold a press conference to take up the substance of it.
00:37:48.300I, this is a level of both opaqueness and a character that is highly suspicious, at least I'm suspicious of his character, and especially given the corruption that has followed him for his entire career.
00:38:09.640How are we to trust a man on China who has had this level of involvement, corrupt involvement with the Chinese and his own family?
00:38:20.880Well, you can't, you know, and he was involved in that.
00:38:25.120And, you know, in his, you talk about his meetings, he's had four meetings, virtual meetings with President Xi since he's been president and hasn't mentioned Wuhan.
00:38:33.120And in the last, that marathon meeting that they had most recently, within hours, China was buzzing Taiwan with their war plans, which shows you the level of disrespect shown by President Xi to Joe Biden.
00:38:47.320And I also think President Xi was trolling Joe Biden by calling him my old friend, because Joe Biden, he used to boast about what great friends there are.
00:38:57.040I have passages in the book where he just as ranted and raved to people boasting about the hours and hours that he spent with President Xi, more than anybody else in the world, and how important that makes him, and what great friends they are.
00:39:11.380And then most recently, now that, you know, being good friends with President Xi is not so popular with the American people after the pandemic and, you know, the evidence of their predatory behaviour, he's now saying, oh, I'm not a friend of Xi's.
00:39:26.500So, you know, President Xi has his number.
00:39:29.660He has spent hours with Joe Biden and over the years, and he knows his character.
00:39:34.840And he knew that when Joe Biden arrived on Air Force Two in 2013, with Hunter Biden in tow, what that meant.
00:39:55.540They have family members are enriched and paid off and bribed.
00:40:00.100And that's just the way they do business.
00:40:01.720So when Hunter Biden came along with Joe Biden, it was crystal clear what was going on.
00:40:06.080And 2013 was a really important time for America and its allies because China had become newly aggressive in the South China Sea, was militarising those islands, and was also in the throes of ripping off, stealing America's intellectual property.
00:40:24.700And Joe Biden came away from that meeting empty-handed on behalf of America.
00:40:29.560But Hunter Biden came away with 10% of this investment fund, which, according to documents on the laptop, by 2019, had $2.5 billion of funds under management.
00:40:41.860So it was a very lucrative meeting for Hunter.
00:40:45.080And there's also evidence that Joe Biden met in a private room and shook hands in the residence that they were staying in, in Beijing, with Jonathan Lee, who was Hunter Biden's new business partner in this venture.
00:40:59.060You know, one of the many times he's met Hunter Biden's overseas business partners.
00:41:03.840And the thing about the next, the big deal that he did most recently with this Chinese energy company, CEFC, is that it's not just an energy conglomerate.
00:41:15.180It's actually the capitalist arm of President Xi's Belt and Road Initiative, his imperial push into the rest of the world.
00:41:24.600And, you know, which is detrimental to America's interests, at the very least.
00:41:29.660And this was the Biden family for the last two years of Joe Biden's vice presidency.
00:41:35.840Hunter Biden and his partners were doing work for the Chinese Communist Party, for Belt and Road around the world.
00:41:44.580And I have a scene in the book where Hunter Biden, this is in 2017, a couple of months in May, a few months after his father stepped down as vice president or ended his term.
00:41:56.300And Hunter Biden's in a restaurant in New York, in Manhattan, and he's pounding the table very angry with a man called Director Zhang, who was the 2IC, Communist Party official of China, but also the 2IC of CEFC, this energy company.
00:42:13.020And Hunter's furious, and he says, you owe my family $20 million for the work that we've done for you for the past two years around the world.
00:42:23.780It was basically using Joe Biden's name to open doors and to get the Chinese into various countries like Romania, for instance, that they wanted to buy up big in.
00:42:38.160He was vice president, but the money was not going to flow until after Joe Biden stepped down.
00:42:45.240And that was the point of Joe Biden's meeting with Tony Bobulinski or two meetings with Tony Bobulinski in one of them was at the Beverly Hilton in Los Angeles in 2017 after he'd stepped down.
00:42:59.000Because Joe Biden was vetting Tony Bobulinski, who was going to formalise this joint venture with CEFC and the Biden family.
00:43:09.180He was going to put proper due diligence into it and so on.
00:43:11.520He was a successful businessman in his own right, a man of a good reputation.
00:43:16.640And so they were bringing him into this.
00:43:18.100And he just found himself caught up in this complete nightmare.
00:43:21.020And so, you know, as we said, he was a hero for coming forward.
00:43:25.160And, you know, the book would be incomplete if it weren't for his assistance.
00:43:30.880The question becomes still, again, after all two years, do you think that Hunter Biden will be subpoenaed?
00:43:39.800Do you think there will be consequences?
00:43:41.800We know it took two seconds for the FBI to begin an investigation of Don Jr. and others in the Trump administration and around the administration.
00:43:58.540Do you have any hope at all that there will be a substantive investigation of Hunter Biden?
00:44:06.640All I know is that the FBI has had a copy of the laptop since December 2019, when John Paul MacIsaac, the owner of the Delaware repair shop where Hunter Biden abandoned his waterlogged laptop, he, after a few months, from April 2019, when he got the laptop to December 2019, he held on to it.
00:44:27.940Then he gave it to the FBI, didn't hear a peep from them after that.
00:44:31.840And that's when he tried a few Republican congressmen who didn't respond to his emails.
00:44:36.320And then he found Rudy Giuliani and then Rudy Giuliani found us.
00:44:44.880Whether they know the import of the material on it or not, I don't know.
00:44:48.400They'll know if they look at the book.
00:44:49.720And then we also know that the Southern District of New York is also intimately involved or has investigated parts of Hunter Biden's network because they arrested Patrick Ho from CEFC at JFK.
00:45:09.480They also were investigating the Indian tribal bonds scam that had Devon Archer convicted and Bevan Cooney and a couple of other associates of Devon Archer.
00:45:22.020Hunter Biden managed to evade any problems with that.
00:45:30.200But, you know, they certainly were looking at his emails and his lawyer had to go through and give them a whole lot of information from his records.
00:45:41.000So the Southern District knows a little bit about what's going on there.
00:45:47.500So and it's certainly in their jurisdiction because these Chinese billionaires, these princelings who were doing business with Hunter Biden were taking all this money, hundreds of millions of dollars out of China and buying Manhattan real estate.
00:46:05.320And there was the fifty four million dollar penthouse apartment of the limestone Jesus so-called on the west side, the beautiful building full of oligarchs and billionaires.
00:46:17.660And Hunter Biden used to go over there and and Chairman Yee used to cook him lunch.
00:46:23.440And so, you know, the Southern District, this is all happening within their their ballywick.
00:46:30.200So it's a fantastic investigation for them to undergo.
00:46:34.500So you would hope that they're doing that.
00:46:36.720I mean, that's the most powerful investigatory or law enforcement organization in the country, supposed to be has a history of being independent and honorable.
00:46:49.860I mean, I find it rather strange that everybody who's had a hand in exposing the Biden family has had an FBI raid.
00:46:59.120I mean, I know five people who've been raided by the FBI, including Rudy Giuliani and, you know, Project Veritas, James O'Keefe, Victoria Tenzing, Joe DeGeneres.
00:47:13.120You know, these people have been raided by the FBI.
00:47:16.340They've had all their their devices seized.
00:47:20.160Rudy Giuliani had his cloud spied upon for a year.
00:47:23.820So but they're they're being investigated.
00:47:26.920But I'd like to know where the other, you know, the other side of the coin is being investigated.
00:47:33.060You know, we're told that there is an investigation into Hunter Biden and into Jim Biden, his uncle, Joe's younger brother.
00:47:40.920There's several investigations and tax evasion allegations, foreign agent registration, impropriety allegations and other allegations.
00:47:52.700If you look at the laptop, there's a lot there for investigators to look at.
00:47:58.440And they do have Tony Bobulinski has handed over all his devices to the FBI back last October.
00:48:06.040So they have the same pieces of the puzzle that I had and a lot more power to subpoena people.
00:48:12.860So if there's any will, they they should be able to get somewhere.
00:48:17.960And but, you know, we I mean, they're always slow and they have to be thorough.
00:48:22.380So I'm just hoping in my heart of hearts, a slice of optimism that they there are good people somewhere in the swamp who will do the right thing.
00:48:37.580Unfortunately, I, you know, I have to take a look at what we've experienced over the course of the past six or seven years in particular.
00:48:46.300And it's clear that one political party is protected and the other is not.
00:48:51.080As you make clear in the book, it's it is a shame that the January 6th committee is issuing subpoenas left and right.
00:49:02.780But no one wants to get to the bottom, it seems, in the Democratic Party to this clear cut case of corruption at the highest levels of the United States government and the family of Joe Biden.
00:49:56.300And it's also it seems to me appalling.
00:49:59.700This is an appropriate point to say we're going to I'm going to give you the last word.
00:50:05.280And I think everybody would like to hear your your thoughts on that.
00:50:10.140There certainly seems to be, you know, a dual system of justice in America.
00:50:14.540And there was such a frenzy from the left and from so much of the media to get rid of Donald Trump.
00:50:21.580He was they threw out all ethical standards out the window just to get rid of him.
00:50:27.860And Joe Biden benefited from that because they would, you know, they would do whatever it took to make sure that he won that election.
00:50:35.580And I think suppressing the laptop was part of it.
00:50:39.160And, you know, changing the rules, election rules, especially in battleground states under cover of the pandemic was part of it.
00:50:45.720And I think that for the American people, as they see what a disaster Joe Biden has been as president, and they're starting to understand that his character is very different from how it's always been portrayed.
00:51:01.100I think Afghanistan was the red pill for a lot of people and a lot of concern that, you know, if we head into a real crisis, I mean, Afghanistan was a taste of it, but a real crisis under Joe Biden, his judgment is appalling.
00:51:16.280And he surrounded himself with people who don't appear to have any ability to, you know, control what's going on.
00:51:24.600They seem to defer to him, believe it or not.