The Great America Show - RACIST MARXISM AND THE LAPTOP FROM HELL

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs,

00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.

00:00:09.220 And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.

00:00:14.360 Welcome to the Great America show. Good to have you with us.

00:00:17.960 Our politics becoming increasingly complex.

00:00:21.520 The role of corporations in national politics long established,

00:00:25.660 but what is new is the effort of corporate America, at least much of corporate America,

00:00:31.840 to support Marxist ideology, whether it be in the form of Black Lives Matter

00:00:36.120 or providing support for so-called DEI, that's diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace.

00:00:45.020 Dr. James Lindsay is a critic of the so-called woke culture

00:00:48.880 that is capturing the imagination of so many in corporate America.

00:00:53.460 He's written a book entitled Race Marxism, soon to be published.

00:00:58.940 Dr. Lindsay joins us now to take up the appropriate responses to DEI

00:01:04.180 and critical race theory in education, the workplace, and government.

00:01:10.000 It is great to have you with us.

00:01:11.880 And how in the world did we get to this point?

00:01:15.880 Critical race theory, suddenly ESG is not enough.

00:01:20.720 We've got to have new levels of direction in corporate America.

00:01:25.740 From every quarter, it seems, the power structure, the establishment,

00:01:31.700 and the world as we knew it is under attack by what some call Marxism.

00:01:38.780 How did we get here?

00:01:39.940 Well, there have been three major pieces of the formula, I guess, that got us here.

00:01:45.500 One of those is that this has been brewing in academia for at least 50 years.

00:01:51.380 These ideas started in the late 1960s and early 1970s

00:01:55.600 and were being mainstreamed into academia at the time.

00:01:58.800 So the goal was to teach not students, but teachers, future teachers.

00:02:04.700 So to indoctrinate future teachers, to indoctrinate future professors,

00:02:08.600 so that they would then spread this idea to more and more and more students.

00:02:13.020 You could say that's operationalizing the field,

00:02:15.260 if you want to put it in kind of Marxist language or strategic language.

00:02:19.280 Secondly, there was a gigantic cultural push.

00:02:22.540 That cultural push came on the back of what we saw out of academia over the last 50 years.

00:02:27.080 After you got enough professionals that went into media, that went into law,

00:02:30.200 that went into different professional fields,

00:02:31.840 all of a sudden it becomes pretty easy to start taking advantage of cultural phenomena

00:02:36.280 and interpreting them in terms of, say, critical race theory or whatever else.

00:02:39.740 So three big things that popped up when Barack Obama was elected president.

00:02:44.980 Sadly, many people responded with some racism.

00:02:47.720 And that's the core thesis of critical race theory.

00:02:51.980 Later, you have the Black Lives Matter movement kind of launch into the scene in 2014 and 15

00:02:56.620 after the Ferguson shooting.

00:03:00.080 And there you have, again, mainstreaming this idea that there's a secretly racist,

00:03:06.200 now police force. 0.97

00:03:07.140 And then when President Trump ran for office, it was racist, racist, racist, racist, racist. 0.90

00:03:12.100 And they used critical race theory to say only a racist America could elect Donald Trump. 0.95

00:03:18.840 And they use that narrative very, very effectively to drive people crazy

00:03:22.420 and to believe that America was secretly racist.

00:03:25.040 And critical race theory becomes the tool.

00:03:27.260 So that's two out of the three components.

00:03:29.480 And the third is the ESG, which is how they manipulated corporations

00:03:33.000 into backing this, promoting it, and making it look like they were responding to market demands

00:03:38.880 when, in fact, their bottom line at the level of the valuation of their stocks

00:03:43.420 or the ability to participate in being a publicly traded company

00:03:47.040 depends on compliance with that S.

00:03:49.180 And that's ultimately how we got here.

00:03:51.460 What is elusive, at least to me, the incipient point this began.

00:03:56.040 It's a perfect storm, but I am curious.

00:03:59.860 This doesn't look like a natural storm of any form.

00:04:03.220 This is not spontaneous.

00:04:05.960 This is a seeded cloud that's been unleashed, whether it's ESG and environmental social governance,

00:04:12.900 two areas, by the way, which most corporations have the least to do with

00:04:17.160 on their checklist of stakeholders.

00:04:20.720 It's remarkable that this confluence of ESG, corporate social responsibility before that, of course,

00:04:29.380 now we have sustainability at all costs.

00:04:32.880 And instead of looking to the Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable,

00:04:36.700 which they do quite enough of, corporate America is now looking to the United Nations

00:04:40.820 for a guideposts and values.

00:04:43.640 Most Americans are completely and utterly unaware of what is happening.

00:04:50.460 That's right.

00:04:50.820 They're also looking to the World Economic Forum and the International Monetary Fund,

00:04:53.860 which are funneling these bags of cash to back these things. 0.61

00:04:58.120 Now, as far as where this all kind of began,

00:05:00.940 I think there's a combination between organic and inorganic elements to it.

00:05:06.320 I think it began with neo-Marxists,

00:05:09.240 who are actually communists that were operating in the 1960s.

00:05:12.960 And you can read that explicitly and say Herbert Marcuse's very influential writings from the 1960s,

00:05:18.120 where he says we have to find the radicalizable student population

00:05:22.260 and we have to get the ghetto population. 0.94

00:05:24.200 That was his words for the black radicals. 0.56

00:05:27.260 And we have to figure out how to make them into, he said, the new working class, 0.99

00:05:31.420 meaning in the Marxian sense,

00:05:32.660 the new radicalizable revolutionary class to overthrow society.

00:05:35.860 Because he said the working class has been stabilized.

00:05:37.820 He actually admitted capitalism works.

00:05:40.020 It's making a prosperous society, but we could have a so much better society if we were to overthrow it.

00:05:45.000 And we have to look for that revolutionary energy, he said.

00:05:47.700 And so that's really where the seeds of this were laid.

00:05:50.360 And then what you see, whether it's through corporate social responsibility or whatever else,

00:05:55.980 is you see this ideology slowly colonizing other bureaucratic forms.

00:06:00.460 It turns out that a lot of the program of social equity, for example,

00:06:05.880 which is, of course, their brand name, they operate under with a lot of it,

00:06:08.800 came out of directly the field of public administration on the back of a book called The Administrative State.

00:06:17.240 So this whole idea that you're going to colonize things that happen bureaucratically

00:06:20.700 and turn them in this direction has been part of a kind of long march through the institution's plan

00:06:27.360 that has found what's been advantageous to it and colonized it and turned it into this.

00:06:32.620 The biggest example of that in schools would be social emotional learning,

00:06:35.700 which started out as a way to deal with troubled kids

00:06:38.320 and turned into a Maoist education program masquerading as a way to deal with troubled kids.

00:06:45.780 And how pervasive is all of that in our schools, our public schools?

00:06:52.480 It's virtually ubiquitous.

00:06:53.960 It's the leading edge of so-called educational theory these days.

00:06:58.620 It's in virtually all of the schools.

00:07:00.640 You pick a state like North Carolina, which is kind of famously purple,

00:07:05.240 and they've even passed legislation in the state of North Carolina to make it so that

00:07:10.700 teachers who are engaging in social emotional learning

00:07:14.420 cannot be held responsible for the fact that what it entails is doing unlicensed psychological

00:07:21.960 therapy in an unregulated environment on children.

00:07:26.320 And so this is deep.

00:07:28.480 It's virtually ubiquitous.

00:07:30.000 It is the hot thing that's everywhere.

00:07:32.340 But again, this is the key thing where it feels like this has all been seeded.

00:07:36.780 It has been seeded, but it was seeded through kind of a parasitic action,

00:07:40.800 a thing called social emotional learning that helped troubled kids got colonized a number of

00:07:45.480 years ago, turned into transformative SEL, as they call it, and got turned into something

00:07:50.360 different.

00:07:51.200 And this is why, whether that was with the corporate social governance,

00:07:55.620 responsibility in governance policies or projects, all of these things that were noble efforts to try to

00:08:01.500 improve the environment in which Americans and other Westerners worked,

00:08:05.760 were colonized by neo-Marxist ideas and basically taken over from within.

00:08:09.740 And they're now everywhere.

00:08:13.080 Virtually all of our institutions have been flipped over into this.

00:08:16.540 And the behavior you see from, say, the Democratic Party reflects that,

00:08:20.260 that they think that they now have enough control over all institutions to do whatever they want

00:08:25.600 without having to worry about accountability.

00:08:27.880 And we see expressions, explosions, if you will, of the presence of all that you're talking about,

00:08:35.020 for example, in Loudoun County in Virginia.

00:08:37.180 All of the headlines that are being driven around the country, some awareness of that.

00:08:44.080 And at the same time, we are looking at the role of school boards suddenly being attacked.

00:08:51.640 Suddenly we get an idea of what's going on.

00:08:54.520 There is an effort to transform this country from public education to state education.

00:09:01.560 Parents are no longer considered parents or citizens.

00:09:05.860 They are simply, you know, hold the hands of those children and put them to bed at night.

00:09:11.860 The state will take care of the rest in the minds of these school teacher unions,

00:09:16.900 these lame front organizations like the School Board Advisory Association that's been created

00:09:25.520 to be nothing more than a handmaiden to the efforts of the National Education Association

00:09:31.100 and the Federated Teachers, the two biggest teachers unions in the country,

00:09:36.940 and a mighty, powerful political forces.

00:09:40.000 Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

00:09:41.820 A lot of people don't know that literally the first, by the way, diversity manual that was ever written

00:09:50.100 was at American University in 1973.

00:09:54.300 And this manual was actually commissioned, paid for, and distributed by the NEA back in the 1970s.

00:10:01.060 So they've actually, and this is an explicitly, you think, you know, Robin DiAngelo last year

00:10:05.140 or the year before with White Fragility came out.

00:10:07.300 And then it's all, you know, there's no neutral, you're either racist or anti-racist,

00:10:13.560 you know, whiteness has to be reduced.

00:10:15.140 This was all written in the 1970s under the direction of the NEA.

00:10:18.700 The teachers unions have been at the bottom of driving a lot of this very radical change

00:10:24.260 to our country for a very long time.

00:10:26.120 And you're also correct that it's a transformation to a state education.

00:10:29.520 They no longer want to think in terms of American citizens who have rights as Americans.

00:10:33.580 The new buzzword that you hear again and again and again,

00:10:35.840 especially from the education activists is global citizens, which of course is preposterous.

00:10:40.320 There's no such thing as a global citizen because there is no such thing

00:10:43.260 and should not be such a thing as a global sovereign to which you can be subject as a citizen.

00:10:48.860 And so this is the new mentality that they're trying to bring in through the school system.

00:10:54.060 But when you look at the indoctrination program that's being run through our schools

00:10:57.160 already, all the way K through PhD, not K through 12, all the way through the top,

00:11:02.620 you look at the indoctrination program that you already have going on,

00:11:05.240 and you're saying, oh, well, we're going to bring that down to three and four-year-olds now, too.

00:11:10.220 We're going to start even earlier.

00:11:11.840 You can really start to get a taste of what they're trying to do.

00:11:14.660 They think they own your children.

00:11:15.980 They think that it's their right to make them into global communist citizens

00:11:21.440 and to indoctrinate them with the relevant, whether it's critical race theory,

00:11:27.600 whether it's queer and gender theory, whether it's climate justice,

00:11:31.940 whether it's health equity, whatever these kind of buzzwords around all of this happen to be,

00:11:37.360 it's all the same thing.

00:11:38.540 Equity means socialism.

00:11:39.640 Justice means communism.

00:11:41.160 And that's what they're trying to indoctrinate from the very beginning.

00:11:44.180 I was shocked to see what happened over the last few years,

00:11:46.780 the pace at which these corporations moved.

00:11:49.040 It moved at a pace I did not imagine they could in expanding the power of their HR departments,

00:11:58.980 human resources departments, the old personnel departments.

00:12:01.960 They're now political offices within the corporation.

00:12:06.560 Corporations have, of course, their public affairs offices in Washington, D.C. to lobby.

00:12:10.500 They have HR departments to manage politics and the standards of the day,

00:12:16.720 whether it's ESG, whether it is corporate responsibility.

00:12:25.180 These corporations have taken a turn that is definitive.

00:12:31.600 And I think right now you would have to say that corporate America is left wing in its behavior.

00:12:38.880 Your thoughts?

00:12:41.000 I think that you're obviously correct.

00:12:44.020 And I think most people who are starting to wake up to what's going on around can see that.

00:12:48.180 There are two primary components for why that is.

00:12:51.260 And one of them is the ESG game.

00:12:53.680 The other is that we have very bad jurisprudence that is followed from the Civil Rights Acts

00:12:58.520 that is increasingly bent toward the disparate impact that different racial groups, for example,

00:13:05.240 or identity groups have different outcomes on average by group, not at the level of individuals.

00:13:11.120 The disparate impact can be taken as evidence of discrimination.

00:13:14.840 And that's if you've read where Ibram X.

00:13:16.920 Kendi, the critical race theorist, says that the solution to inequality is to pass an anti-racist

00:13:21.380 constitutional amendment.

00:13:22.440 One of the two things he says that amendment should be fundamentally based on is the idea

00:13:27.260 that differences in outcomes should be proof of discrimination.

00:13:30.120 So this is the situation that we find ourselves in until that until the court rules that disparate

00:13:36.200 impact is not enough to have proof of discrimination.

00:13:39.220 We're going to find ourselves caught in this trap as well.

00:13:42.220 On the side of academia, we're watching now a number of universities, a number, some 121,

00:13:49.340 the last report I saw that have dropped their requirement for the ACT test or the SAT test or both

00:13:58.120 because they believe it is somehow racially discriminatory and puts minorities at a disadvantage

00:14:07.360 and are literally moving away from objective testing of knowledge.

00:14:15.040 It's a deeply troubling moment in higher education of all places.

00:14:21.480 Yeah, that's actually a move.

00:14:22.600 This has been done in the past.

00:14:24.600 Mao Zedong did this in China during his Cultural Revolution because what it allows when you remove objective standards, 0.64

00:14:30.140 obviously, just to be clear, that's not the case in China now.

00:14:33.320 They have extremely rigorous testing.

00:14:34.660 And they brought that back when after the party sees power, because if you get rid of objective testing

00:14:39.600 and objective standards for getting in, everything becomes subjective.

00:14:43.380 So now your diversity, equity and inclusion or personal struggle statement or whatever it is that you're supposed to submit

00:14:49.220 that reveals your politics, that tells whether or not you're going to be a compliant party operative or not,

00:14:56.440 becomes at least higher, if not the highest ranked idea or item that brings you into being admitted into the university.

00:15:05.900 So that only party operatives are even getting in and only party operatives are getting out after they've been more thoroughly brought into party politics.

00:15:15.200 This isn't new.

00:15:16.620 This isn't new to the world.

00:15:17.820 Mao did this in China, used it to affect parts of the Cultural Revolution, ruined China utterly as a result, 0.79

00:15:25.780 and then later realized, oh, well, we need to bring standardized testing back.

00:15:29.800 This is very much like how the Soviet Union thought that physics was a bourgeois Western project up until the West got the nuclear bomb.

00:15:36.660 And then all of a sudden, physics was very important for communism, too.

00:15:39.220 So this is the kind of mistake, if you want to call it a mistake, that they make over and over and over and over again in these kind of broadly Hegelian Marxist kind of programs.

00:15:49.240 Let's make everything subjective until it's a catastrophe, and then we'll go back to objective standards at the pleasure of the party.

00:15:56.520 It's difficult to imagine a country that has reached this point having the energy and the drive to reverse course.

00:16:07.160 What is your sense of the immediate future?

00:16:10.480 The immediate future, I think, is going to be rocky.

00:16:12.540 I have a very much more optimistic view than I did, say, in January.

00:16:17.460 The truth is that people up to this point have not realized what's at stake.

00:16:23.380 But I'm actually, as I travel around the country from city to city and talk to people all over the nation,

00:16:28.940 I find out more and more and more that people are very rapidly waking up.

00:16:31.900 What I see on the Internet reflects this.

00:16:33.460 I see the Biden administration try to put out a new narrative.

00:16:36.500 Oh, we're going to do this gender ideology thing, or we're going to do this feminism thing, global feminism thing, 1.00

00:16:40.980 or whatever it happens to be, pronouns today from the State Department, or whatever it is.

00:16:45.200 And I see these new narrative shifts not sticking very well.

00:16:50.020 And I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that, yes, it actually could happen here.

00:16:54.880 And their complacency is falling away as they start to realize it.

00:16:58.400 What I believe is the case is that they needed both top-down, which they have in the Biden administration right now

00:17:03.500 and in many state governments, but they also needed the bottom-up support.

00:17:07.820 And it's because when you press down without having support from the bottom, the bricks just fall out the bottom.

00:17:12.140 And I think that's actually where we are.

00:17:13.800 They're dropping bricks out of the bottom of their plan as fast as possible.

00:17:17.420 We call this red-pilling on the Internet these days.

00:17:19.780 They're red-pilling people left, right, and center.

00:17:22.540 And I genuinely mean that on the left as well.

00:17:25.060 If you look at Virginia, you see what's happening with the scandals in education.

00:17:29.220 So I think what's going to happen is that we have to understand that this regime, the Biden administration, knows that it has crossed the Rubicon.

00:17:38.580 It knows that it is pushing something extraordinarily unpopular.

00:17:42.740 It's going to become more and more unpopular.

00:17:45.040 So it only has a few options available to it.

00:17:47.440 But the main thing is that whatever direction it goes is going to continue to double down.

00:17:50.800 What happens at the end of this, I can't tell you, but I think they're going to continue to try to force these, whether it's vaccine mandates and passports, whether it's going to be climate mandates or passports or whatever else.

00:18:03.380 I think they're going to try to force this on people and force this on people for a while.

00:18:07.840 And then I don't know what happens after that because people, I don't think, in the American Republic are going to take it much longer.

00:18:15.320 They realize now what's at stake.

00:18:16.800 They realize when Alexander Solzhenitsyn warned, we didn't love freedom enough, so we deserved everything that followed after, that they are in that story and that they are going to have to love freedom enough to do something about it.

00:18:29.420 What can everyone do in your judgment to help reverse this tide?

00:18:38.740 Well, the shortest answer is to not participate.

00:18:41.640 This requires a little bit of discernment.

00:18:43.620 You have to kind of be able to tell when you're being fed the narrative and when something might be legitimate.

00:18:49.740 But I would advise everybody to be very suspicious of the narrative and then to try to predict why are they telling us this and what do they want us to do?

00:18:56.180 And then don't do that.

00:18:57.480 It's very important to civilly resist, to say, no, I'm not going to participate in these systems of lies.

00:19:03.920 Now, if you want to do more than that, it depends on your temperament and your talents.

00:19:07.440 One of the things people can do is if they are inclined, they can work on that discernment part.

00:19:13.420 They can learn more about the ideology.

00:19:15.760 They can learn more about ESG, for example, with the corporate world.

00:19:19.420 They can learn more about DEI, the diversity, equity, inclusion, and the critical race theory.

00:19:23.380 The regime does not like transparency.

00:19:24.980 They cannot stand sunlight.

00:19:27.020 It embarrasses them.

00:19:29.000 It stymies their plans.

00:19:30.260 People won't go along with it.

00:19:31.320 The one thing they can't stand is people outing them for what they're doing and then standing up and saying no as a result.

00:19:38.960 And we still have the power to do that.

00:19:41.480 We still have the power to speak up.

00:19:42.640 They're trying to close those doors on us, but they haven't.

00:19:44.980 Now, maybe gaining that, studying some specific subject like that and speaking up isn't your path.

00:19:50.300 Well, then you should fall into whatever kind of support role that you can fall into.

00:19:54.880 Maybe it's that you're going to help build community around in your neighborhood.

00:19:58.360 You're going to get people together to talk about the issues.

00:20:00.640 You're going to bring people together to talk about what this nation means and where we want it to go.

00:20:04.860 To start re-knitting the fabric of America from the grassroots is something anybody can do.

00:20:10.020 And I'm not, when I say support, I mean, you can also find people who are speaking up about this and you can back their program, whether it's sharing their materials, you know, donating to their causes, whatever.

00:20:19.360 Those are things that you can do if you don't want to take it on.

00:20:21.540 But you can also just do your part to bring your local neighborhood together and to get people to where they're starting to talk about this.

00:20:29.780 Because it turns out that that is much more effective.

00:20:33.040 If you look back all through the 20th century, how do you fight communism?

00:20:36.340 How do you fight communism?

00:20:37.160 This is what they say over and over and over again.

00:20:38.840 And it stayed communism out of the United States and out of the West for the majority of the century.

00:20:44.320 All you have to do is be very discerning and very clear and to make strong, stable communities so that they can't encroach on your values and knock you off of your base.

00:20:53.480 One of the points I insist on in the podcast is to make it possible for people to understand how important community engagement really is.

00:21:02.600 Of all the political races in the country, of course, the presidency remains the most important.

00:21:08.840 But every citizen in this country has greater power over their local communities and their city and townships.

00:21:18.540 And they have to be engaged.

00:21:20.260 One citizen can make so much difference in such a quick, quick amount of time.

00:21:28.620 Citizenship is to be taken seriously in this country.

00:21:31.420 And unfortunately, too many of us have stepped back from that responsibility.

00:21:36.720 I want to say to you, James Lindsay, I really appreciate your being with us.

00:21:41.700 A fascinating discussion.

00:21:43.360 And James Lindsay, by the way, is modest enough not to have mentioned his podcast, which is one of the places where you can go to to learn more about each one of these critically important issues, these cynical theories, as he styles them in his new book.

00:22:03.300 And we're just delighted to have you with us.

00:22:06.120 Hope you'll come back soon.

00:22:07.260 And we appreciate everything you're doing.

00:22:09.580 Dr. James Lindsay.

00:22:11.020 Thank you so much, Lou.

00:22:12.480 We will continue in just one moment.

00:22:14.660 Stay with us.

00:22:16.180 There is so much going on each day in this country.

00:22:19.760 Sometimes it seems impossible to keep up with events, the cross currents, the ensemble of colorful and inscrupulous characters in our body politic,

00:22:29.220 and particularly located in Washington, D.C., who stir a constant stir of assorted brew of corruption and constant disinformation and deceit.

00:22:43.680 It's clearly a fact certain that this is, without question, one of those periods in American history that will be studied by historians and economists for decades.

00:22:53.580 And there's no doubt that just as the presidency of Joe Biden has sped up our nation's dissent into further divide and decline,

00:23:02.520 Mr. Biden and his family will be featured prominently in those studies to come years distant.

00:23:09.860 But we don't have to wait for those laggard historians to better know the Bidens better or the swamp they've long inhabited.

00:23:17.780 A terrific book has just been published, a captivating, compelling look inside the Biden family that you will find both, well, spellbinding and stemwinding, as they used to say.

00:23:30.380 The book is entitled The Laptop from Hell, and the author is one of the country's very best political columnists and one of my very favorites, the New York Post's Miranda Devine.

00:23:42.220 Miranda, congratulations on the book.

00:23:44.120 Welcome to The Great America Show.

00:23:46.520 And we want to recommend your book to everyone in our audience, a fantastic read, amazing accounts of the Biden family.

00:23:54.760 Thank you for your investigation and beautifully written account of the sordid and revealing contents of Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:24:04.520 Your thoughts about, first, the reception to your book, which has been a sellout.

00:24:10.720 It's obviously a blockbuster and bestseller.

00:24:14.860 Thanks so much, Lou.

00:24:16.200 Yes, look, I'm pleased that it's done so well.

00:24:19.460 And I think it shows that there's a real hunger out there for, I guess, the truth of about Joe Biden and his family and this influence peddling operation that they've been running since his early days as a senator of Delaware, which he internationalized when he became vice president.

00:24:38.240 And, you know, we at the New York Post published a series of stories last year, just three weeks before the election, based on our investigation at that point of the laptop.

00:24:51.540 We just published what we could verify in emails, which showed that at the very least, Joe Biden had lied to the American people during the campaign when he said that he had nothing to do with Hunter Biden's overseas business dealings, that he knew nothing about them.

00:25:08.520 And, you know, there's ample evidence in the laptop and also in a couple of other sources of information that I've tapped into as part of that jigsaw puzzle,

00:25:18.640 which indicate that Joe Biden met lots of Hunter Biden's overseas business partners.

00:25:24.860 He met them in Beijing, he met them in his own residence in Washington, D.C., at the Naval Observatory.

00:25:34.080 He met them from Mexicans and Kazakhstanis and Ukrainians and Russians and Chinese.

00:25:40.380 He met them at a dinner in Cafe Milano in 2015.

00:25:43.720 And I think, you know, a lot of these politicians get caught up because of the cover up as much as anything else.

00:25:50.460 And really, Joe Biden's campaign and Joe Biden himself did not tell the truth to the American people about his involvement in this influence peddling scheme that his son and his brother were running.

00:26:04.580 And I think that, as much as anything, is going to be a problem for him going forward.

00:26:08.840 And one of the problems for him was certainly the discovery that the laptop was, indeed, Hunter Biden's.

00:26:19.440 The reporting of The New York Post was spectacular.

00:26:23.220 It was exemplary in terms of the kind of journalism we expect all of the national media to present to the body politic, the public,

00:26:34.620 and to serve their right to know.

00:26:38.520 But what happened was, as I'm sure most of our audience recalls vividly,

00:26:44.440 the New York Post got shot down and shut down on social media

00:26:49.340 for simply telling the truth and reporting the truth.

00:26:54.600 And at the same time, big tech made it very clear who's in charge of the flow of information in this country

00:27:04.660 when it can go after The New York Post.

00:27:08.020 And to The New York Post, great credit.

00:27:11.560 You guys stood strong behind your reporting and your reporters.

00:27:16.580 It was a wonderful moment for journalism, but a terrible moment for the country.

00:27:20.460 Yeah, thanks, Lou.

00:27:22.580 And look, there were a lot of unsung heroes, I guess.

00:27:24.620 I mean, The New York Post, my editor in particular, Cole Allen, who brought me over here from Australia,

00:27:31.080 you know, a real tough guy, and he was determined that this was a story that had to be told.

00:27:36.220 And then, of course, Emma Jo Morris, brilliant reporter who wrote the stories, broke the stories,

00:27:42.140 did an amazing job and did her due diligence.

00:27:44.600 And then, of course, Tony Bobulinski, another unsung hero and a real patriot, a naval veteran,

00:27:51.840 he came forward before the election.

00:27:55.100 And, you know, when The Post and The Laptop were being introduced as Russian disinformation

00:28:02.120 by the likes of former CIA and Director John Brennan and James Clapper and Leon Panetta

00:28:08.100 and Michael Hayden, who wrote that scurrilous propaganda letter to Politico saying that the laptop was,

00:28:15.800 and therefore our reporting was Russian disinformation in their expert opinion,

00:28:20.120 having not looked at the laptop at all.

00:28:23.140 And when all that was going on and Tony Bobulinski stood up firm and he said, no, this is all correct.

00:28:30.800 He gave us a tranche of his emails, the contents of his phones, all his documents,

00:28:37.800 and they cross-matched with the laptop, with those emails, a lot of overlap there,

00:28:42.540 but also some fresh information.

00:28:44.500 And you needed that to fill out the puzzle.

00:28:47.360 And then a third piece of the puzzle, again, a couple of other unsung heroes were Republican Senators

00:28:53.600 Chuck Grasley and Ron Johnson, who also were introduced by the Democrats as peddling Russian disinformation.

00:29:00.680 But what they did was a really forensic investigation into Hunter Biden, Burisma,

00:29:07.080 the Ukrainian corrupt energy company and corruption.

00:29:10.100 And they got their hands on a whole lot of Treasury reports,

00:29:15.060 these suspicious activity reports that banks are supposed to file with the Treasury Department

00:29:20.180 when, you know, suspect money comes into the country, for instance,

00:29:24.840 from a Russian oligarch or some sanctioned individual.

00:29:28.020 And there was a lot of that kind of money coming in to the bank accounts of certainly people

00:29:33.580 associated with Hunter Biden, his business partners, Roswan Seneca, and so on.

00:29:38.120 So they brought the receipts there, which again cross-matched with material on the laptop

00:29:42.840 and in the Tony Bobulinski material.

00:29:44.560 And you need those three pieces really to fill out that jigsaw puzzle.

00:29:50.240 And then, lo and behold, you see this really shocking template of influence peddling corruption,

00:29:58.400 call it what you will, tens of millions of dollars flowing in, particularly from the Chinese,

00:30:02.920 but from Russia and Ukraine and Romania and Kazakhstan.

00:30:08.180 You know, Serbia.

00:30:09.300 I mean, there were really hardly any place on planet Earth that Joe Biden didn't have carriage for

00:30:15.760 when he was vice president that didn't get a visit from the sort of Biden family grifters.

00:30:22.340 You know, as you describe what is fact and the web of corruption at the center of which is

00:30:31.000 the president of the United States and has been for a very, a very long time, approaching a half century.

00:30:39.580 We have, as your book so well reports, evidence, fact to deal with.

00:30:47.180 And an FBI that has not, has not moved, has refused to, to talk about the investigation,

00:30:55.120 to deliver on what has been now, what, a two-year investigation at least.

00:31:01.720 And we have a national media that refused to report these facts that were available, by the way,

00:31:07.960 not just to you, but to a number of reporters who simply stepped back and let that story go away,

00:31:17.260 or were told to do so by their bosses in corporate media.

00:31:24.420 Your thoughts about why suddenly, Bob, as you talked about in the book,

00:31:29.680 Tony Wawalensky is a hero.

00:31:31.000 He's burst upon the scene, and he then like, he's simply like a supernova.

00:31:39.460 He burst on the scene, and then there was just darkness, silence, and no more reporting.

00:31:46.100 And then there was an election.

00:31:48.540 And I think, in large measure, that's the reason that Joe Biden prevailed in that election.

00:31:57.120 Your thoughts?

00:31:58.660 Yes, well, it certainly was one of them.

00:32:00.340 You know, the big tech, those unaccountable oligopoly of social media, Facebook and Twitter,

00:32:08.620 definitely put their thumb on the scale.

00:32:10.280 I mean, you can only call it Russian election interference.

00:32:14.700 They immediately, within a couple of hours of our story going live, they blocked it.

00:32:20.440 They censored it.

00:32:21.660 Twitter even locked the New York Post's account for the next two weeks until just a few days before the election.

00:32:27.500 And, you know, the New York Post is the fourth largest audience in the country.

00:32:32.400 It's the oldest continuously published newspaper in the country, founded by Alexander Hamilton.

00:32:37.840 This was a big deal, what they did.

00:32:41.000 And when they did that, it really gave the signal to the rest of the media, the New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, who, you know, the anti-Trump media, who were all in the tank for Joe Biden before the election, really gave them the fig leaf that they needed not to cover the story.

00:32:59.560 And then a couple of days later, the, you know, John Brennan letter came up and that was all the excuse they needed.

00:33:07.160 And, you know, there are still to this day Americans who believe that the laptop was made up.

00:33:11.940 It's fake.

00:33:12.480 It's Russian disinformation.

00:33:14.580 And, you know, it's not.

00:33:15.360 It's been verified, you know, everywhere to Sunday.

00:33:18.680 The emails have been verified with other recipients of the emails.

00:33:23.360 As I said, the overlap with the Grasley-Johnson report, with the Bob Linsky material, with Bevan Cooney, another now a jailer, one of Hunter Biden's many jailed former business partners, also delivered some of his material to Peter Schweitzer and Matthew Tymon, other journalists who shared it with me.

00:33:41.360 So, and Hunter Biden himself, I mean, this has been out for now more than a year, and the Bidens have just tried to ignore it.

00:33:49.520 And Hunter Biden wrote his memoir, which was all about his crack addiction, which he has now kicked, he says.

00:33:57.920 And I think that was, in a way, to neutralise the stuff that was coming out of the laptop about, you know, all the porn and the addiction and so on.

00:34:06.480 So, but, you know, even in that sense, he misled people about a lot of parts of his life, including the fact that, you know, he got this stripper pregnant.

00:34:16.180 There was a paternity suit.

00:34:19.760 She had to sue him to get DNA tests to prove that he was the father, which he was.

00:34:24.840 He said in his memoir, he didn't even know her.

00:34:27.160 He dedicates the book to his other children, doesn't mention this child who's now about two and a half.

00:34:31.480 And, you know, he had this, I mean, he has a child, and it's somewhere in Arkansas.

00:34:38.120 And this poor woman had to sue for recognition. 1.00

00:34:43.080 But he says in his book that he can't even remember the encounter, but the laptop shows that they had a relationship going over several months.

00:34:49.900 And he used to smuggle her into his office building at night.

00:34:53.600 And, you know, there's just evidence galore.

00:34:56.900 And they'd been text messaging and so on.

00:34:58.940 So, you know, he wasn't straight, obviously, in that memoir.

00:35:03.320 And it's just a pattern with the Bidens.

00:35:06.140 I don't think there's really nothing that you can believe that comes out of Joe Biden's mouth.

00:35:11.100 I mean, he spent his entire life, I think he's really lost the ability to tell truth from fiction.

00:35:16.920 He tells tall tales.

00:35:18.320 He's a fabulous.

00:35:19.300 He plagiarizes, you know, a lot of mythologies in his family history.

00:35:25.540 I've gone into a little bit of that in the book.

00:35:27.400 But it really, I think, in the end, I'm hoping that people understand from seeing this.

00:35:35.040 It's all factual.

00:35:36.480 It's all laid out there.

00:35:37.960 I've tried not to inject, you know, opinion into it.

00:35:41.620 I've just tried to do a straight report.

00:35:43.340 It's shocking enough as it is.

00:35:44.940 You don't need to embellish it.

00:35:46.520 And I just think that from the book, you can see the true character of Joe Biden.

00:35:52.640 And you can also compare the reality of what has been said in the documents and the receipts that I've produced from the laptop and these other sources with his public statements.

00:36:03.680 And I think that's where he'll get tripped up.

00:36:06.700 And Miranda, I've got to compliment you further, specifically for the audience, to understand that what Miranda has done in this book is take some of the most complex sets of facts and events and currents in our body politic and report them to you.

00:36:29.920 To all of us are reading the book in a comprehensible fashion.

00:36:34.500 As a journalist, I was taught early on, you know, it's it's one thing to be comprehensive, which you have been.

00:36:41.020 It is quite another to be comprehensive and comprehensible, which you have brought together beautifully.

00:36:48.200 And it is a work of art, journalistically.

00:36:52.880 I just can't compliment you enough on that.

00:36:57.320 As one who has also been covering that story, you know, I wish I had you as my daily guide in real time during that period.

00:37:06.500 The corruption of the Biden family is clearly established and it's wide, it's broad, it's deep and it centers around one man.

00:37:18.240 And that is the man who is president of the United States now.

00:37:21.280 And the money that flowed to Hunter Biden, the largest sums of money that traveled to his pockets were from the communist Chinese, the same people that President Biden calls our competitors, holds a two and a half meeting with the president of China, President Xi, and won't tell reporters what they discussed, won't hold a press conference to take up the substance of it.

00:37:48.300 I, this is a level of both opaqueness and a character that is highly suspicious, at least I'm suspicious of his character, and especially given the corruption that has followed him for his entire career.

00:38:09.640 How are we to trust a man on China who has had this level of involvement, corrupt involvement with the Chinese and his own family? 0.86

00:38:20.880 Well, you can't, you know, and he was involved in that.

00:38:25.120 And, you know, in his, you talk about his meetings, he's had four meetings, virtual meetings with President Xi since he's been president and hasn't mentioned Wuhan.

00:38:33.120 And in the last, that marathon meeting that they had most recently, within hours, China was buzzing Taiwan with their war plans, which shows you the level of disrespect shown by President Xi to Joe Biden.

00:38:47.320 And I also think President Xi was trolling Joe Biden by calling him my old friend, because Joe Biden, he used to boast about what great friends there are.

00:38:57.040 I have passages in the book where he just as ranted and raved to people boasting about the hours and hours that he spent with President Xi, more than anybody else in the world, and how important that makes him, and what great friends they are.

00:39:11.380 And then most recently, now that, you know, being good friends with President Xi is not so popular with the American people after the pandemic and, you know, the evidence of their predatory behaviour, he's now saying, oh, I'm not a friend of Xi's.

00:39:26.500 So, you know, President Xi has his number.

00:39:29.660 He has spent hours with Joe Biden and over the years, and he knows his character.

00:39:34.840 And he knew that when Joe Biden arrived on Air Force Two in 2013, with Hunter Biden in tow, what that meant.

00:39:42.200 That's crystal clear to the Chinese.

00:39:45.120 They have a system of sort of family politics where, you know, the elite families enrich themselves.

00:39:53.700 They don't do it directly.

00:39:55.540 They have family members are enriched and paid off and bribed.

00:40:00.100 And that's just the way they do business.

00:40:01.720 So when Hunter Biden came along with Joe Biden, it was crystal clear what was going on.

00:40:06.080 And 2013 was a really important time for America and its allies because China had become newly aggressive in the South China Sea, was militarising those islands, and was also in the throes of ripping off, stealing America's intellectual property. 0.78

00:40:24.700 And Joe Biden came away from that meeting empty-handed on behalf of America.

00:40:29.560 But Hunter Biden came away with 10% of this investment fund, which, according to documents on the laptop, by 2019, had $2.5 billion of funds under management.

00:40:41.860 So it was a very lucrative meeting for Hunter.

00:40:45.080 And there's also evidence that Joe Biden met in a private room and shook hands in the residence that they were staying in, in Beijing, with Jonathan Lee, who was Hunter Biden's new business partner in this venture.

00:40:59.060 You know, one of the many times he's met Hunter Biden's overseas business partners.

00:41:03.840 And the thing about the next, the big deal that he did most recently with this Chinese energy company, CEFC, is that it's not just an energy conglomerate.

00:41:15.180 It's actually the capitalist arm of President Xi's Belt and Road Initiative, his imperial push into the rest of the world.

00:41:24.600 And, you know, which is detrimental to America's interests, at the very least.

00:41:29.660 And this was the Biden family for the last two years of Joe Biden's vice presidency.

00:41:35.840 Hunter Biden and his partners were doing work for the Chinese Communist Party, for Belt and Road around the world.

00:41:44.580 And I have a scene in the book where Hunter Biden, this is in 2017, a couple of months in May, a few months after his father stepped down as vice president or ended his term.

00:41:56.300 And Hunter Biden's in a restaurant in New York, in Manhattan, and he's pounding the table very angry with a man called Director Zhang, who was the 2IC, Communist Party official of China, but also the 2IC of CEFC, this energy company.

00:42:13.020 And Hunter's furious, and he says, you owe my family $20 million for the work that we've done for you for the past two years around the world.

00:42:21.900 And that work wasn't really work.

00:42:23.780 It was basically using Joe Biden's name to open doors and to get the Chinese into various countries like Romania, for instance, that they wanted to buy up big in. 0.55

00:42:35.140 And Joe Biden was part of that.

00:42:38.160 He was vice president, but the money was not going to flow until after Joe Biden stepped down.

00:42:45.240 And that was the point of Joe Biden's meeting with Tony Bobulinski or two meetings with Tony Bobulinski in one of them was at the Beverly Hilton in Los Angeles in 2017 after he'd stepped down.

00:42:59.000 Because Joe Biden was vetting Tony Bobulinski, who was going to formalise this joint venture with CEFC and the Biden family.

00:43:07.840 He was the CEO of this.

00:43:09.180 He was going to put proper due diligence into it and so on.

00:43:11.520 He was a successful businessman in his own right, a man of a good reputation.

00:43:16.640 And so they were bringing him into this.

00:43:18.100 And he just found himself caught up in this complete nightmare.

00:43:21.020 And so, you know, as we said, he was a hero for coming forward.

00:43:25.160 And, you know, the book would be incomplete if it weren't for his assistance.

00:43:30.880 The question becomes still, again, after all two years, do you think that Hunter Biden will be subpoenaed?

00:43:39.800 Do you think there will be consequences?

00:43:41.800 We know it took two seconds for the FBI to begin an investigation of Don Jr. and others in the Trump administration and around the administration.

00:43:58.540 Do you have any hope at all that there will be a substantive investigation of Hunter Biden?

00:44:05.500 I don't know.

00:44:06.640 All I know is that the FBI has had a copy of the laptop since December 2019, when John Paul MacIsaac, the owner of the Delaware repair shop where Hunter Biden abandoned his waterlogged laptop, he, after a few months, from April 2019, when he got the laptop to December 2019, he held on to it.

00:44:27.940 Then he gave it to the FBI, didn't hear a peep from them after that.

00:44:31.840 And that's when he tried a few Republican congressmen who didn't respond to his emails.

00:44:36.320 And then he found Rudy Giuliani and then Rudy Giuliani found us.

00:44:40.840 So they've had it for a long time.

00:44:44.880 Whether they know the import of the material on it or not, I don't know.

00:44:48.400 They'll know if they look at the book.

00:44:49.720 And then we also know that the Southern District of New York is also intimately involved or has investigated parts of Hunter Biden's network because they arrested Patrick Ho from CEFC at JFK.

00:45:09.480 They also were investigating the Indian tribal bonds scam that had Devon Archer convicted and Bevan Cooney and a couple of other associates of Devon Archer.

00:45:22.020 Hunter Biden managed to evade any problems with that.

00:45:27.560 He said he wasn't involved.

00:45:29.240 They accepted that.

00:45:30.200 But, you know, they certainly were looking at his emails and his lawyer had to go through and give them a whole lot of information from his records.

00:45:41.000 So the Southern District knows a little bit about what's going on there.

00:45:45.720 They know about the Patrick Ho case.

00:45:47.500 So and it's certainly in their jurisdiction because these Chinese billionaires, these princelings who were doing business with Hunter Biden were taking all this money, hundreds of millions of dollars out of China and buying Manhattan real estate.

00:46:05.320 And there was the fifty four million dollar penthouse apartment of the limestone Jesus so-called on the west side, the beautiful building full of oligarchs and billionaires.

00:46:17.660 And Hunter Biden used to go over there and and Chairman Yee used to cook him lunch.

00:46:23.440 And so, you know, the Southern District, this is all happening within their their ballywick.

00:46:30.200 So it's a fantastic investigation for them to undergo.

00:46:34.500 So you would hope that they're doing that.

00:46:36.720 I mean, that's the most powerful investigatory or law enforcement organization in the country, supposed to be has a history of being independent and honorable.

00:46:49.860 I mean, I find it rather strange that everybody who's had a hand in exposing the Biden family has had an FBI raid.

00:46:59.120 I mean, I know five people who've been raided by the FBI, including Rudy Giuliani and, you know, Project Veritas, James O'Keefe, Victoria Tenzing, Joe DeGeneres.

00:47:13.120 You know, these people have been raided by the FBI.

00:47:16.340 They've had all their their devices seized.

00:47:20.160 Rudy Giuliani had his cloud spied upon for a year.

00:47:23.820 So but they're they're being investigated.

00:47:26.920 But I'd like to know where the other, you know, the other side of the coin is being investigated.

00:47:33.060 You know, we're told that there is an investigation into Hunter Biden and into Jim Biden, his uncle, Joe's younger brother.

00:47:40.920 There's several investigations and tax evasion allegations, foreign agent registration, impropriety allegations and other allegations.

00:47:52.700 If you look at the laptop, there's a lot there for investigators to look at.

00:47:58.440 And they do have Tony Bobulinski has handed over all his devices to the FBI back last October.

00:48:06.040 So they have the same pieces of the puzzle that I had and a lot more power to subpoena people.

00:48:12.860 So if there's any will, they they should be able to get somewhere.

00:48:17.960 And but, you know, we I mean, they're always slow and they have to be thorough.

00:48:22.380 So I'm just hoping in my heart of hearts, a slice of optimism that they there are good people somewhere in the swamp who will do the right thing.

00:48:32.920 I join you in that hope.

00:48:37.580 Unfortunately, I, you know, I have to take a look at what we've experienced over the course of the past six or seven years in particular.

00:48:46.300 And it's clear that one political party is protected and the other is not.

00:48:51.080 As you make clear in the book, it's it is a shame that the January 6th committee is issuing subpoenas left and right.

00:49:02.780 But no one wants to get to the bottom, it seems, in the Democratic Party to this clear cut case of corruption at the highest levels of the United States government and the family of Joe Biden.

00:49:18.960 It's unequivocal.

00:49:20.420 It is it is evident.

00:49:23.380 And there is also every every signal that there will be protection afforded no matter what from here through.

00:49:32.700 I mean, people associates of Hunter Biden are some of them are dead.

00:49:37.920 Some of them have been charged, several of them.

00:49:43.500 Yet Hunter Biden is painting away and and selling his merchandise on canvas.

00:49:51.540 That's that's unseemly.

00:49:53.460 That's it's intriguing.

00:49:56.300 And it's also it seems to me appalling.

00:49:59.700 This is an appropriate point to say we're going to I'm going to give you the last word.

00:50:05.280 And I think everybody would like to hear your your thoughts on that.

00:50:10.140 There certainly seems to be, you know, a dual system of justice in America.

00:50:14.540 And there was such a frenzy from the left and from so much of the media to get rid of Donald Trump.

00:50:21.580 He was they threw out all ethical standards out the window just to get rid of him.

00:50:27.860 And Joe Biden benefited from that because they would, you know, they would do whatever it took to make sure that he won that election.

00:50:35.580 And I think suppressing the laptop was part of it.

00:50:39.160 And, you know, changing the rules, election rules, especially in battleground states under cover of the pandemic was part of it.

00:50:45.720 And I think that for the American people, as they see what a disaster Joe Biden has been as president, and they're starting to understand that his character is very different from how it's always been portrayed.

00:51:01.100 I think Afghanistan was the red pill for a lot of people and a lot of concern that, you know, if we head into a real crisis, I mean, Afghanistan was a taste of it, but a real crisis under Joe Biden, his judgment is appalling.

00:51:16.280 And he surrounded himself with people who don't appear to have any ability to, you know, control what's going on.

00:51:24.600 They seem to defer to him, believe it or not.

00:51:27.100 And no one's really in charge.

00:51:29.560 Who is in charge?

00:51:30.480 I think it's a very frightening time for America and for the world.

00:51:34.540 I mean, the leader of the free world is somebody who's compromised with China and with Russia.

00:51:41.800 And those, you know, those countries are predators and they see America weak and they're coming in for the kill. 0.63

00:51:48.320 I have to say, this has been a fascinating conversation.

00:51:52.080 I've enjoyed it immensely, Miranda.

00:51:53.640 I thank you for spending some time with us today and I compliment you again.

00:51:59.400 And thank you again for your just extraordinary book, The Laptop from Hell.

00:52:06.480 It is just a terrific read.

00:52:09.820 Recommend the book to everyone watching and listening.

00:52:13.680 And I appreciate your time and wish you all the very best.

00:52:17.200 And please come back soon.

00:52:18.940 Miranda Devine.

00:52:20.520 Thanks so much, Lou.

00:52:21.460 Great to talk to you.

00:52:22.320 Very generous.

00:52:23.640 Join us again tomorrow for the Great America podcast.

00:52:26.940 Stay in the fight.

00:52:27.900 Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

The Great America Show - December 29, 2021

RACIST MARXISM AND THE LAPTOP FROM HELL

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