The Great America Show - REP. ANDY BIGGS SAYS HOUSE LEADERSHIP MUST BE VISIONARY AND DEFEAT ALL ENEMIES TRYING TO DISMANTLE AMERICA

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs. Thanks for being with us.

00:00:05.980 Today, we've got a crowded calendar for conflict, insurrection, and maybe,

00:00:10.920 just maybe, a desperately needed fundamental commitment among the Republicans in the House

00:00:17.220 to represent their voters. There's a fighting chance that America First Party Republicans

00:00:23.040 will actually tell the RINO establishment to go stick it. We'll cross our fingers and hope

00:00:29.780 the real Republicans can find their way to fight a fight that's certainly worth having,

00:00:35.320 and then win that fight. But the establishment Republicans are threatening incoming freshman

00:00:42.120 GOP congressmen, including Anna Pauline Luna, representing Florida's 13th district.

00:00:48.840 I got a very inappropriate phone call on Thursday where basically another member,

00:00:55.300 this was a couple weeks ago, actually, another member had called me basically to whip votes for

00:01:00.620 the speakers race and ultimately ended up threatening me. And I let that female member know that I wasn't 0.99

00:01:06.240 going to basically be threatened. I don't think that I need to put that person's name out there

00:01:11.500 because I think that they are probably embarrassed at doing that. But the fact is, is that that's not

00:01:16.700 uncommon, I think, to have happen. And ultimately, I'm not going to be bullied. If you are going to

00:01:22.260 negotiate in good faith, negotiate in good faith, but don't resort to threatening people.

00:01:26.400 And now there's the dean of the Republican Party, former Speaker of the House of Representatives,

00:01:32.620 Newt Gingrich, once a revolutionary leader in the party, calling now for conformity and an

00:01:39.820 orderly obeisance to the establishment's status quo. Here's Newt demanding Republicans fall in line 0.61

00:01:47.540 with the demands of the donors and the corporate globalists and support the rhino McCarthy. 0.89

00:01:54.600 There's nobody going to replace Kevin because he has far more people totally dedicated to him

00:01:59.900 than this handful of never-enders. And the result's going to be anybody who tried to replace Kevin

00:02:05.920 would face total chaos. It would be impossible to govern. So I hope in the next 24 hours that these,

00:02:12.740 this handful of members will realize, they don't have the moral right to reject the choice of 85%

00:02:19.760 of their conference. They don't have the moral right to break up the House against the wishes of

00:02:25.760 over 215 fellow Republicans. And I think it's a remarkably short-sighted and candidly selfish position.

00:02:33.560 And I don't understand where they're coming from. Newt says this isn't about McCarthy.

00:02:39.000 But that is exactly what it's about. McCarthy is endorsed by Rhino Paul Ryan, one of the worst

00:02:45.820 speakers of the modern era, who couldn't win even his hometown in the 2012 election. And McCarthy is in

00:02:53.580 the line of rhino leaders like Eric Cantor and John Boehner, who all have been a part of American

00:03:01.180 history's great spending spree, partly responsible for running up the national debt from $13 trillion

00:03:08.960 to $32 trillion. It is about the dimming of the Republican Party and the failure of its rhino

00:03:17.340 leadership to confront what is nothing less than the Marxist-dims war on America and the corruption

00:03:24.360 of our government. The Center for Renewing America is clearly in opposition to McCarthy.

00:03:30.720 Here's Renewing America's president, Russ Vogt, on why the Republicans should reject rhino McCarthy

00:03:37.140 and drain the swamp. I view Kevin McCarthy as the definition symbolically of what the cartel is. He is

00:03:45.000 the cartel speaker. We need a paradigm-shifting speaker. If you had said if the Republicans had a

00:03:52.360 red wave, this would not have been an opportunity. It's now an opportunity. And thankfully,

00:03:56.980 House conservatives appear to be seizing it. And I am not willing to predict that he won't be the

00:04:02.580 speaker, but I don't see the math for him. He lacks the 218 votes, and I don't know how he's going to

00:04:07.740 get it. So I think that this is going to be something that we are increasingly seeing good

00:04:12.160 results from. But this is a moment that we're not going to get very often, and we've got to seize it.

00:04:16.780 And while the rhinos want to rule yet again, America First voters want their congressmen to 0.95

00:04:22.720 represent them, their views, and interest. There are 14 Republican congressmen who oppose publicly

00:04:30.420 the rhino coronation of Kevin McCarthy to be speaker, opposition led by Congressman Andy Biggs of Arizona.

00:04:39.120 Congressman Biggs is our guest here today on The Great America Show. And Congressman,

00:04:43.380 thanks for being with us today. And I want to congratulate you and your colleagues who are

00:04:48.880 standing with you to oppose McCarthy and end the rhino rule of the Republican Party. And maybe, 0.88

00:04:56.320 just maybe, drain a good part of the swamp at the same time. What you're doing, as you well know,

00:05:02.000 is very important for the country and the American people. We thank you, and God bless you.

00:05:07.620 Thanks, Lou. It's good to be with you. And as you know, it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,

00:05:15.620 perhaps, to actually stand up for what you believe in a really overt way, trying to

00:05:21.700 protect and preserve freedom. And that's what it's all about.

00:05:25.200 Well, Kevin McCarthy is saying that he has conceded all sorts of things to the, as he put it, the

00:05:34.260 Freedom Caucus. It's really you, the Freedom Caucus, a half dozen, perhaps 15 people who are really

00:05:44.860 making a difference here. What is your reaction to the suggestion that he has made sufficient

00:05:51.380 concessions? Well, I would say that he is, at the last minute, resolved to do some things that we

00:06:01.620 requested of him months and months ago. He probably wouldn't have gotten here, but for that. But

00:06:06.020 he's not putting any meat on those bones. It's pretty milquetoast the way he's got it. There's still

00:06:13.220 so many outs in the way that he drafted it or presented it in his letter. So I know that some of

00:06:20.220 my colleagues are very interested in seeing if he'll tighten it up. And I think the closer we get

00:06:30.020 to noon tomorrow on January 3rd, the sooner, the closer we get there, the more likely he is to

00:06:40.060 try and tighten it up because he's trying to get votes. And I will not get there because

00:06:46.120 for me, it never was about the rules. It was about you have to change your leader. He's been a part of

00:06:53.140 this environment now at the top, near the top for 12 years, Lou. And if you don't change your

00:07:02.260 leadership, you will not ever get change. You know, I'm going to say something I think probably some

00:07:07.080 will find harsh and some might just want to argue with period. But I truly believe without the

00:07:14.400 accident, if you will, the political accident of President Donald Trump, the Republican Party at

00:07:21.760 this point would be just simply a faded shadow of what once was. It's trying to go there, I believe,

00:07:31.100 right now. But without Donald Trump's leadership for those four years, there would be no philosophy,

00:07:37.380 there would be no ideology. It would just be the GOP would just simply be the handmaiden

00:07:42.880 of the corporate globalists, all that America first is contending and fighting with every day.

00:07:53.440 Your thoughts about that?

00:07:54.780 Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, I have always called, since I saw him on the stage the first

00:08:01.200 time in a debate, I said, this guy's a disruptor. And he's trying to disrupt the uniparty, the swamp,

00:08:08.380 the deep state, the establishment. And by so doing, that actually, he should be given a lot of credit.

00:08:17.240 Historically, he's going to go down a lot of credit because he's basically realigned or made more

00:08:23.020 noticeable the realignment of the political parties. Who supports Donald Trump? It's not the blue

00:08:28.940 collar worker. It's not the coastal elites. They've bought in totally to the liberal uniparty.

00:08:41.320 It's the people, the minority people who are now coming forward and saying, look, you know what,

00:08:46.760 we need something better. We want a fair shake. And it's a total realignment. And I give credit to

00:08:52.360 Donald Trump for that.

00:08:54.040 Yeah, I do too. I think most of America does in point of fact. It may not animate them to political

00:09:00.320 activity and voting. But I think certainly most Americans, and by the way, I think the blue collar

00:09:09.480 working man and woman, their families, our middle class entrepreneurs, small business people,

00:09:16.420 all support America first, make America great again. I think there's no question about it. I think it's

00:09:24.720 interesting that there are a number of people in the Republican Party right now who want to say, well,

00:09:28.840 we want his philosophy, but we just don't want him. I think in time, people are going to understand

00:09:34.540 the relationship better between leadership and the agenda, the principles of leadership and where

00:09:44.160 this country is headed. But let me turn to one of the former leaders of the Republican Party,

00:09:49.780 Newt Gingrich. I like Newt. He was a historical figure in the mid-90s. And he had this to say

00:09:58.000 about your effort. And I want to give out credit right now to you, Congressman Andy Biggs, to Bob Good,

00:10:05.840 Matt Gaetz, Ralph Norman, Matt Rosendale, Scott Perry, Paul Gosar, Chip Roy, Dan Bishop, Andy Harris,

00:10:12.820 Andrew Clyde, Andy O'Gallis, Anna Paulina Luna, Eli Crane, all standing up for principle and purpose

00:10:22.780 for the Republican Party. Are there any other names I should add to that list?

00:10:29.140 You got the bulk of them, I think. I hope tomorrow we see more people added to that list, Lou.

00:10:35.420 Okay. Well, so do I. Let's listen to Newt Gingrich and get your reaction to what he had to say.

00:10:43.980 I have to say, I thought it was brazen and somewhat, well, I was somewhat taken aback by it. Here is the

00:10:55.740 former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

00:10:57.920 They're not voting against Kevin McCarthy. They're voting against over 215 members of their own

00:11:04.040 conference. Their conference voted overwhelmingly, 85%, for McCarthy to be Speaker. So this is a fight

00:11:11.040 between a handful of people and the entire rest of the conference. And they're saying they have the

00:11:16.740 right to screw up everything. Well, the precedent that sets is so do the moderates, so do the members

00:11:24.360 from Florida. I mean, any five people can get up and say, I'm now going to screw up the conference

00:11:29.180 too. The choice is Kevin McCarthy or chaos. Total chaos, Congressman. Is that what you're trying

00:11:35.900 to create? No. And I think that that's such hyperbole from somebody who, quite frankly,

00:11:44.300 my constituents would say seems to be attached to the establishment class. The reality is

00:11:49.980 if we do not make a change when we can make a change, then you're just going to keep perpetuating

00:11:57.800 what you have. And let's say what the difference between Newt Gingrich's time. Newt actually produced

00:12:04.440 with a Democrat president a balanced budget. Good for Newt. You know what happened when we had

00:12:10.780 all three bodies, a House, Senate, and the Speaker? I mean, the President, when Kevin McCarthy was the

00:12:19.000 majority leader, he forged a coalition with the Democrats to lift the debt ceiling and also put

00:12:27.280 two budgets before the president that President Trump said, this is horrible. And in the last

00:12:31.540 10 years, of which all of those, Kevin McCarthy has been in leadership at the very top and pinnacle

00:12:39.660 of the Republican Party, we've gone from a $13 trillion deficit, excuse me, not deficit, but national

00:12:47.320 debt to a $32 trillion national debt. Now, maybe you do need to shake up there. That's what I would

00:12:56.080 say. Maybe you do need to shake up there. Maybe? Yeah. Maybe. I am laughing because I just, when we look

00:13:05.140 at this, McConnell, McCarthy, part of the leadership, there has been a chain of rhino mediocrities,

00:13:13.060 in my opinion. And let's start with Boehner. Let's go to Paul Ryan. It's worse than mediocrities.

00:13:19.860 These are dark influences on our national policies, and the consequences have been debilitating to what

00:13:28.580 was once the greatest, most powerful nation on earth. But in part, because of those men who

00:13:39.020 have been part of the swamp cartel and perpetuate it, this country is now, in what I believe Newt

00:13:47.960 Gingrich is calling for, he wants to see managed orderly decline, rather than an arena filled with

00:13:55.440 vibrant, important voices talking about the important issues of the day for every American.

00:14:02.480 What he's describing is a suffocating authoritarianism that is really the domain of

00:14:11.740 the Biden regime and the Marxist Dems who are totalitarian in every impulse.

00:14:19.100 Yeah, that's right. Anybody that is what we used to call liberal, they're now leftists.

00:14:27.300 The authoritarianism in them has been revealed that COVID did that in such a way that is almost,

00:14:35.740 it was inconceivable, I think, to Americans. And when we start talking about what is going on in

00:14:44.020 Congress, how in the world did McCarthy and McConnell let that omnibus bill get out?

00:14:50.460 Especially in light of the fact that months and months ago, we in the Freedom Caucus said,

00:14:57.260 hey, we know what's going to happen. You're going to have to stop this and stop the CR last September

00:15:03.840 to prevent us getting to this point where we ended up getting there. And the point is, I guess,

00:15:11.800 leadership is, as you pointed out, you have to be visionary in the sense that you can see what's

00:15:19.380 coming. You can see what needs to be done to defeat the obstacles or the enemy here who is trying to

00:15:31.600 dismantle the United States of America clearly. And if you don't think we're in an existential crisis,

00:15:37.680 then I guess then it's okay to let K Street control the legislative branch. I think we are in an

00:15:46.180 existential crisis. And I don't think we need the lobbyist of K Street to be controlling the United

00:15:53.560 States Congress. I think we need to have committed elected officials who are honest with their

00:16:00.460 constituency and transparent and committed and principled to fight for this country.

00:16:08.180 Well said. And McConnell joining hands with the Dems. And by the way,

00:16:12.460 folks, there was no accident here. This omnibus bill, $1.7 trillion, was Mitch McConnell made it

00:16:24.320 possible. Kevin McCarthy made it possible. The Republican Party run by RINOs. I often wonder, 0.97

00:16:31.780 Andy, I often wonder if the Republican Party just demands rule by RINOs because they don't want to take 1.00

00:16:38.960 responsibility for leading the nation? Or is it because there's just an overwhelm? Are they

00:16:46.300 overwhelmingly lazy? They just turn the party, the conference over to the liberals, the leftist

00:16:53.080 Republicans who are really nothing more than Democrats? How can anyone in the Republican

00:16:58.680 conference vote for a RINOs like McCarthy, like Ryan, like Boehner, and pretend that they are anything

00:17:07.640 other than Republicans in name only? Well, you know, there might be a little bit in each one of

00:17:16.900 those in our conference. You know, I was talking to an analyst recently, not a psychiatrist, but just a

00:17:26.680 political analyst. And he said his determination is that really the conservatives are now the RINOs

00:17:35.600 because they really do want America first. They really do believe in the Republican Party platform.

00:17:40.180 And too many people that profess to be RINOs, Republicans, they don't really want those things. 0.99

00:17:45.760 And so it is us conservatives who are Republican in name only because we really believe what we want.

00:17:52.440 That's one thing. By the way, I would tell your friendly political analyst, I tell him he's

00:17:59.020 overthinking it. The Republican Party has standards, it has values, and tenants have served this nation

00:18:07.340 so well. You know, after all, it wasn't the Democrats who freed the slaves. That was the Republicans.

00:18:14.080 And let's start there and move forward. And it wasn't the Republicans who got us into World War I.

00:18:19.460 It was Woodrow Wilson and the enlightened Democrats. And we've seen enough of the totalitarianism,

00:18:24.020 authoritarianism, the authoritarianism, the creeping Marxism that has, you know,

00:18:30.700 traversed the last century. We have to come to our senses in this country. And you guys represent,

00:18:36.660 I think, our last best hope. Barely a majority in these midterm elections just passed.

00:18:43.820 We have an opportunity that is so fragile. And as you said, it's an existential moment in time.

00:18:51.020 I want to ask you also, if indeed the people who were saying, for example, the previous aide to the

00:19:03.300 previous speakers, the Republican speakers and leaders, came out with an article saying that

00:19:10.100 self-serving Republicans are making a mockery of Congress. Basically, his name is Brendan Buck. He is a

00:19:17.120 communications consultant, by the way, working for Boehner and Ryan both. He wants the usual

00:19:23.980 pageantry. He wants the pomp and circumstance. He doesn't give a damn about the philosophy,

00:19:30.640 the ideology, or the American people you guys were sent to Congress to represent. Doesn't it make

00:19:37.060 any difference to anyone surrounding the swamp or actually well into it knee deep to represent the

00:19:47.000 American people? The Republican conference has an obligation to vote Republican. And McCarthy is the

00:19:55.220 last thing. He is a Republican in name only. He's a shapeshifter in every way. 0.60

00:20:01.100 Yeah, I think people think it's uncomfortable, Lou. It's kind of weird to me, but they think it's

00:20:10.080 uncomfortable to actually challenge people on their beliefs. I guess, having been a trial lawyer,

00:20:17.680 having been also in academia where you have to, I had to defend my positions because I was

00:20:23.200 conservative, you come to realize that you can't be comfortable. And I remember a statement by John

00:20:32.680 Adams. I'll just paraphrase, but his statement was his generation had to study how to govern, how to

00:20:41.480 fight, how to defend, and the aspects of freedom and how to protect those so that the next generation can

00:20:48.500 study music, arts, and the sciences, and what have you, because we have to provide that freedom.

00:20:56.780 I guess they don't really believe, some of my colleagues must not really believe that we are

00:21:02.640 facing an existential crisis. They must have forgotten that we have the highest inflation in years.

00:21:09.660 We're now energy dependent again. We've gone from energy independence to energy dependence when we

00:21:16.520 should have been going to energy dominance. They've forgotten that the world is a safer place when

00:21:20.860 the U.S. is strong. They have forgotten that there's crime in all of our big cities that you

00:21:26.420 don't even want to travel in. Our border is a ridiculous sham. We have 5 million plus people

00:21:33.140 illegally entering our country since Biden took office. What is not to understand that we have to

00:21:39.560 do things differently? And that's my point, is if you're going to stay on what I call a suboptimal

00:21:48.580 path, in some ways a path to self-immolation. If we're going to commit suicide as a nation,

00:21:57.780 this is the way to do it, Congressman. Exactly. If you are suicidal as a nation, this is the way it looks.

00:22:04.000 Yeah, that's exactly right. So why not stand up now? You don't get these opportunities

00:22:09.840 for leverage very often. And one of Kevin's biggest problems is he failed to use leverage

00:22:16.080 points against the Biden administration whenever we had them. And that's the way it's going to

00:22:22.120 continue, Lou. And that's why, for me, there is no alternative. Excuse me. There is every alternative

00:22:32.100 to Kevin McCarthy as the speaker. There has to be. Well, how about if not you, if you can't get the

00:22:40.360 votes, I have said point blank. Draft Jim Jordan. He is a man of integrity. He is a Freedom Caucus

00:22:49.940 Republican. He is an intelligent and I think fair-minded congressman who represents his district. And I

00:22:59.360 believe the values of the American people, you know, distinguish him. Why not draft him? Why? And

00:23:08.820 if not, Jim Jordan, you tell me who. But why not draft a man or a woman who will lead as a Republican

00:23:18.320 and not sell out to the swamp, not sell out to the Marxist Dems who are trying to destroy every one of

00:23:25.500 you? If there's anyone in your conference, by the way, Congressman, who doesn't understand that

00:23:30.800 the Marxist Dems are not here just simply to defeat the agenda of the Republican Party,

00:23:35.840 they're here to defeat America. And each of you is absolutely going to be assaulted by the Marxist Dems

00:23:46.680 in every way they can imagine. Yeah, I agree with you, Lou. And look, I would love Jim Jordan. And

00:23:53.780 believe me, there there's been a recruitment effort. The hell with recruitment. You got your Republicans

00:24:02.540 in a existential moment. Go get him. Well, well, Lou, you still got to get the 218. And as you know,

00:24:11.040 we're dealing with some people in our conference who will not move that way. OK, and then the hell

00:24:20.380 with them. And you fight it out. I want everybody to be uncomfortable. I want everybody who the hell

00:24:26.960 gave a U.S. congressman or woman the the idea that they have some sort of sinecure where they're not

00:24:34.880 there to fight for this country. Get off. I'll speak to each one of those people as calmly as I

00:24:41.440 know how and say to them, listen to Congressman Biggs. Listen to your conscience. And for God's sake,

00:24:49.660 listen to the people that you represent, because this is a moment for this Constitution. It is a moment

00:24:56.600 to decide whether the United States of America has a future and a destiny. It's that simple to me.

00:25:05.980 As you know, we always give our guests here the last word. And Congressman, I am delighted to say

00:25:12.760 to you, thanks for being here. You're a great American doing exactly what everyone in your

00:25:16.760 conference should be doing, standing up for America. And thank you so much. Your concluding

00:25:22.120 thoughts, if you would, sir. Thanks so much, Lou. Thanks for all that you do. And I will

00:25:26.440 conclude by saying, I am going to continue this fight. And I will, I tell my constituents, I will

00:25:34.120 fight for you. I will not stop fighting for you. And I'm hopeful that my colleagues here will also

00:25:43.260 get that same attitude, because we have to change. This is the moment that will define the direction,

00:25:51.400 the path that America will be on for the next generation. And if we're going to continue 0.91

00:25:56.620 devolving, then Kevin McCarthy will be chosen to be the speaker. That's just the way it is.

00:26:02.920 Congressman Andy Biggs, thank you so much. We appreciate everything you're doing for all of us,

00:26:07.720 for the country. And good luck in your endeavor. God bless you.

00:26:13.120 Thanks, Lou. Thank you very much. Congressman Andy Biggs, a great American, contending with

00:26:19.720 rhino Kevin McCarthy for the speakership. Thank you for being with us today. Among our guests coming

00:26:25.580 up, Cash Patel and the Deep State's long campaign to usurp the constitutional authority and powers of

00:26:32.300 both the presidency and the Congress. Colorado attorney Kevin Evans, who sued the Department of

00:26:38.460 Justice and why the DOJ has buried records showing Russian and Chinese payoffs and gifts to the Biden

00:26:45.820 family. And Congressman Chip Roy, Matt Gaetz and James Comer, all joining us here. Thank you all. Please

00:26:53.540 join us tomorrow. Till then, God bless you and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - January 03, 2023

REP. ANDY BIGGS SAYS HOUSE LEADERSHIP MUST BE VISIONARY AND DEFEAT ALL ENEMIES TRYING TO DISMANTLE AMERICA

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