In the midst of the mid-term elections, there were all sorts of cross currents and whispered subtexts to all the drama that was unfolding before our eyes. The marxist dims had the upper hand when it came to lying, cheating and stealing. The republicans did as well as they could without either the White House or the national corporate media on their side.
00:00:00.000hello everybody i'm lou dobbs thanks for being with us for this episode of the great america show in the midst of those midterm elections there were all sorts of cross currents and whispered subtexts to all the drama that was unfolding before our eyes
00:00:16.420you know lying cheating and stealing the marxist dims it seems fair to me to say had the upper hand when it came to cheating and stealing i frankly don't know that the republicans were reported to be the bad guys in any such election cheating or stealing anywhere in the country
00:00:35.380now that speaks better of their ethics than it does their energy and commitment doesn't it as for lying though that's a tight game between these two political parties
00:00:45.660the edge certainly goes to the marxist dims though mainly because they've got the white house and joe biden that's a real advantage the republicans did as well as they could without either the white house or the national corporate media on their side
00:01:01.220they did try to keep up with that lying thing ronna mcdaniel rnc had saying they were doing great on their ground game before the election she was so emphatic that it made some folks feel like crying for what the republicans
00:01:16.220were about to do to those poor marxist dims turns out no sympathy required at least not for the dims save it though for the losers the gop they're still a bunch of losers they've got mcdaniel and the other macs mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy
00:01:34.220mcdaniel mcconnell and mccarthy now that's the three mcrinos right what a bunch mcconnell financing dims opposing republican candidates mccarthy raising a half billion dollars and thinking for sure bigora the little people will never consider
00:01:51.740why the big money sprinkled the green over his rhino head ah no lads and ladies the three mcrinos have done it again
00:02:00.520and they now say that if we don't anoint mccarthy as speaker the radical dims will have their say
00:02:07.900as if there's any daylight between a rhino and a full-on marxist menace like schumer
00:02:13.180pelosi or jeffries globalist elites they be all and no differences at all with the likes of the mcrinos
00:02:21.280trying to make a difference is one of the republican party's leading conservatives the former chairman of
00:02:27.840the freedom caucus re-elected to congress for a fourth term this year congressman andy biggs is
00:02:33.900our guest a great american and congressman great to have you back with us now paul ryan reviled by
00:02:40.600most conservatives and most decent americans when he was speaker is daily trying to find some kind of
00:02:47.200relevance or at least get his name in the paper his latest effort to say he supports kevin mccarthy
00:02:53.520for speaker saying mccarthy's been good for conservatives what do you think congressman
00:02:59.120i i'm not sure you know uh what to think about uh former speaker ryan um endorsing kevin but it's
00:03:09.340not just not a surprise i mean look mccarthy was his majority leader right mccarthy's been the the
00:03:16.980minority leader for four years the majority leader for two years he's been in leadership for i think
00:03:22.440seven or eight years uh you know he's been training for this his whole life and and i think paul ryan
00:03:29.860uh would view mccarthy as kind of an extension of of paul ryan's speakership perhaps and um
00:03:38.380you mean he's going to block block subpinnas he is uh going to reach across the aisle to all of the
00:03:45.840democrats and do what he's told uh i mean his his speakership was a disgrace in my opinion
00:03:52.500uh what is your meaning well i mean i think you're i think you're right i mean look kevin
00:03:59.200mccarthy already said that he didn't want to impeach anybody he thought that that was a political
00:04:06.180thing that just democrats do it'd be political showmanship um he's talked about reaching across
00:04:12.360the aisle um and doing that type of thing and you know luke there are things that we probably agree
00:04:17.860on with the democrats but here's the deal they view us as political enemies they attack us with every
00:04:23.960tool that they can possibly think of uh they want to give us now hakeem jeffries who is really radical
00:04:30.960left and i i've worked with hakeem on a on a bill called the jack bill to go after crooked lobbyists
00:04:36.080but you know the the bottom line is they view us as political enemies and if you want the status quo
00:04:43.700free trump free trump then i would i would say that maybe mccarthy would be the one that people would
00:04:50.280want and and that's why i say maybe it's an extension of the paul ryan years maybe that's what
00:04:55.280paul ryan felt like his he's gotten a bad rap from conservatives yeah well his if you can do a
00:05:02.460psycho analysis of that man i i don't know what to say it's just he is uh just absolutely awful he
00:05:11.140wouldn't he was anti-trump with the president of the united states and his own party uh he's this
00:05:17.380should be the kiss of death for kevin mccarthy's ambitions to be speaker of the house for to be
00:05:22.940endorsed by the likes of uh paul ryan don't you think yeah well i i do think so but but that's for
00:05:31.600people who live outside the dc bubble for people in the dc bubble maybe that's a good thing i guess
00:05:36.720i don't know but but like you lou the people you said just a second ago that people want change
00:05:42.740and if you just keep putting the same people in you're not going to get that change the structural
00:05:48.200change necessary to restore american greatness and and so when i was going out campaigning for myself
00:05:56.220and for others in in my district and around arizona and across the country i can tell you
00:06:02.060the question i got more often than any other was are you going to give us the same leadership are we
00:06:08.360going to have mcconnell and mccarthy is that what is that what the republicans are going to do
00:06:12.760and i just don't think that's what they want i think the american people want a change
00:06:19.320well i i'll go farther i i will tell you that the american people don't want mccarthy they don't
00:06:25.640want mcconnell and one of the reasons that there was a to me there wasn't the red tide that was
00:06:32.160expected part of the reason was people didn't know what to think of you guys uh you didn't gather a
00:06:39.940contract with america you didn't tell anybody what and i'm saying you i'm talking about the conference
00:06:45.360the republicans and the democrats the republicans in the house and the republicans in the senate
00:06:50.460just simply didn't tell anybody tried to dance through it like well we won't make any waves and
00:06:55.840maybe we'll get a wave i mean it was a bizarre moment and and in my estimation frankly a terrible
00:07:03.820leadership from mcconnell and mccarthy uh your thoughts yeah yeah lou i'm with you on it that's so
00:07:11.240so about about a year ago i put out something called my america first plan it's been on my
00:07:16.320website i've talked about it but but i i felt we needed to have a positive affirmative action plan
00:07:23.080not just say we're not the democrats and we'll we'll go around the the the off the cliff at a slower
00:07:29.140pace mine was to say look we're gonna we're gonna attack uh inflation energy we're gonna attack
00:07:36.240the border crime the woke policies the the feckless foreign policy of this administration
00:07:42.840and then then i gave a list of at that time uh of legislation that that would go to that i i also
00:07:51.680said look here's the oversight these are the committee hearings we need to have everything
00:07:56.400from fauci and covid and gain of function to now hundred you know hundred biden and what's going on
00:08:01.820there to the weaponization of doj and the fbi and then i also went through luke because i thought this
00:08:07.160was important is to tell the american people yeah we'll be in we won't have the white house but here
00:08:13.040is how you get stuff done you leverage the money bills you leverage the ndaa and other must pass
00:08:19.980legislation you hold the oversight hearings and then where you need to you apply what i call
00:08:25.320constitutional um uh discipline and that's impeachment of people like alejandro mayorkas
00:08:31.540so i i think you're right i think i think people don't didn't trust republicans to actually get in
00:08:40.300and make the changes we need now we got more votes nationwide but we didn't get them uh we didn't get
00:08:46.640the wave that we thought we were going to get and i think it's because what you said so well and i'll
00:08:52.340give you one other thing too but but that we didn't articulate our position of what we were going
00:08:57.260to do and we didn't have the trust we have to have the trust and then the second thing is um the you
00:09:03.660you had that um that group that pack that super pack that kevin mccarthy raises money for and they
00:09:10.380were putting money against people like a great conservative uh like anna paulina luna out of florida
00:09:16.000she got out spent like 12 to 1 and they were playing in primaries and they they took out tried to
00:09:21.360take out the levitt uh uh the the young lady uh levitt out of uh new hampshire they withdrew money
00:09:27.760from her you had majuski majuski in ohio you had you had people um sabatini in florida you had people
00:09:35.540that were good good conservatives and all of a sudden uh this money's pouring in against them
00:09:41.760um from that from the clf which was that super pack that mr mccarthy raises money for and so
00:09:49.360that hurt as well the clf tell everybody what that means that's the congressional leadership fund
00:09:57.220and that's so that's different that that is kevin mccarthy raises a bucket line 100 over maybe even
00:10:04.840as much as 200 million dollars for the clf and what they do that group is it's kind of run by a guy
00:10:10.600named uh jeff miller's big on that doesn't like conservatives doesn't like me doesn't like you
00:10:15.600lou by the way um and oh by the way you give him a big hug for me will you
00:10:20.780i like every i like everybody me too i'm i'm a lover not a well i'm a fighter too but i you gotta
00:10:28.660i love everybody i just gonna fight for the rights of people right so anyway they they they put money
00:10:35.600into campaigns uh of of and kevin cannot coordinate but he can make recommendations
00:10:42.060and they put money out there yeah so when i ask you about that it's the same deal uh the senate
00:10:49.460leadership uh right committee is that you know the big bucks uh wild pack for the uh for gives mcconnell
00:10:58.080all of his power uh without the power in both the uh the senate and the congress uh the leaders are
00:11:05.680significantly constrained is the way i would put it and if you go back to to uh you you know citizens
00:11:14.200united and look what we've done i mean we've made them we had them armed and dangerous already the
00:11:20.680leadership in both uh the senate and the house of both parties but when we citizens united made
00:11:28.060it nuclear uh and we've got to take a look at that because it's just not the way to do business in
00:11:33.900america this has become a this has become a uh corpocracy uh if you will as a result don't you think
00:11:41.560yeah it really really has um and and and then you add to the the funding lou you add the rules changes
00:11:50.360over what last 30 40 years where where speakers have basically uh centralized power
00:11:57.080into the leadership so that these major bills uh they're going to be it's going to be
00:12:04.000negotiated between the the the top r and d in the senate the top r and d in the house they're going
00:12:11.360to get together they're going to work this out and then and then they don't let us do they don't
00:12:16.340let you have amendments they're going to put they're going to give this bill to you that has
00:12:20.040maybe 15 20 pieces of legislation in it plus a whole bunch of other extraneous garbage
00:12:25.680and they're going to give it to you and say we're going to do this uh uh in four hours um and they
00:12:31.600won't they don't give you time to read it that you can't amend it uh you know and and paul ryan had
00:12:37.680the most bills in history that that uh where you could not uh amend them the most what we call closed
00:12:46.280rules so so you couldn't so so basically his speakership was run out of k street by the chamber
00:12:54.320of commerce wasn't it yeah well it's that's that's what people tell me i was so new lou i was i was so
00:13:01.540busy just trying to do good legislation and wondering why uh my bill i had a bill um that would have funded
00:13:09.460paying for the wall uh on the border wall through the through a small tax on all of the transfer payments
00:13:17.020that people send uh out of this country that that just leave our economy uh because they're getting
00:13:23.820paid under the table they would have paid for that wall many times over he paul assigned it to seven
00:13:30.180committees and so i was fighting on all of that front um and trying to protect president trump from the
00:13:37.220the false allegations against him and in in reality what was happening is the power center
00:13:45.280was preventing significant uh actions from being happened everything from the the paul ryan repeal
00:13:52.260that's all of that paul ryan and mitch mcconnell were the president's biggest enemies on capitol hill
00:13:58.460i'll give the president credit i i can't imagine as he did several times actually sitting down and
00:14:04.460grinning across the table from those guys because my temptation would have been to slap him right
00:14:09.120upside the head i mean metaphorically i don't mean physically yeah uh and the fact of the matter is
00:14:15.980uh he put up with them way too long and what didn't get enough support at all uh from the republican
00:14:22.860party in any fashion as president and what he accomplished is amazing but i want to i want to get us
00:14:28.500back to this and and that is the leadership and what's going to happen here uh what are you going
00:14:35.120to do and how much support do you have and what's it going to take for you to prevail well um i got in
00:14:43.700the in the vote we took last week i got 31 people voted for me another five people didn't vote for me but
00:14:50.300they they voted against kevin and kevin had 188 but i cannot tell you how many people came up to me and i
00:14:56.420and i'm talking to people daily uh now and and they're starting to realize kevin will not be
00:15:02.980the speaker of the house because look i saw a projection this morning that we're going to have
00:15:08.280a three-seat majority at the most and the projection i saw was that we'll have a one-seat majority and if
00:15:16.200that's the case any person can prevent you from being the speaker of the house because you got to get
00:15:22.380to 218 and any republican can do that so people are starting to realize that and um i'm an alternative
00:15:31.180and i and i hope that people would realize that i was the speaker i was the president of the arizona
00:15:36.740senate for four years i know what it's like to have a fairly thin margin i was never that thin but i do
00:15:43.060know how to work with people uh within the wide spectrum of the republican party to get legislation
00:15:51.760through but i also have the courage to stand up to to uh the biden administration so i think i think
00:16:00.020what you're going to see lou is is over the next month or so you're going to see people saying well
00:16:06.880i can't get to mccarthy and mccarthy's not going to get there and that lot maybe say well i support
00:16:12.920biggs or i don't support biggs but somebody else may emerge um so that on january 3rd but but if the
00:16:19.280american people sit quietly quietly by it'll be it we don't know i don't know how i don't know who
00:16:28.400would be it if if if we sit quietly by we have to be out there talking well if you know by the way
00:16:33.860the american people got nothing to do with this andy and you know that uh this is all about the
00:16:38.820members of your conference and the u.s congress and it may be that we're looking at a moment in time
00:16:46.260a historic moment in which we will actually see republicans rise up and say they're not going to
00:16:54.120just have a daisy chain that runs from john boehner to paul ryan to kevin mccarthy because in that
00:17:02.280direction lies disaster we've seen it time and time again because in 2024 the president united states
00:17:09.520will be donald j trump and we've got a bunch of rhinos right in the center of the republican
00:17:16.120conference in the house we've got a we've got a i don't know what the number is 40 50 conservatives
00:17:22.000in the freedom caucus and uh conservatives that are on the periphery of it this is a time for the
00:17:28.920conference to actually come together and draft somebody that they think would be the right
00:17:33.880leader uh everyone from moderates uh to to the freedom caucus uh you know i everybody why can't
00:17:43.040that be done why can't there be an honest to god rising up on the part of the republicans
00:17:49.300and they draft the man or woman they want to be the speaker of the house instead of sitting there
00:17:55.700being told like children how it's going to be like you were talking about why doesn't somebody
00:18:01.280take it as a damn insult that the leader of the house would give them four hours to look at a
00:18:06.540800 page bill and vote on it the hell with that crap yeah lou that you're saying exactly what i've been
00:18:16.920telling people and that is this is a this is a historic moment we can change the trajectory we look we are
00:18:24.480in an existential crisis in this country um we're we're going to go one way or the other here and
00:18:31.980and if republicans fail to make a dramatic stand in 2022 in in who our speaker is and how we fight
00:18:41.640against the biden administration and and lay the foundation for 2024 then we weren't going to win
00:18:48.4002024 lou that's how serious i think this thing is oh hell i'm not worried about 2024 right now i'm worried
00:18:55.940about the fact that we won 2022 and we don't know what the hell you guys are going to do you guys won
00:19:02.280an election i don't care what the margin is is it one is it two three i i don't know but uh we know
00:19:08.900that the republicans survived small margins before from the 1930 to back to 1916 we saw it uh so it'll it'll all be
00:19:19.700it'll all be okay but it could be beautiful if there just was a fire in that conference to do the right thing
00:19:28.280to no longer behave as if as rubber stamps for the the conference leader whether it's the speaker whether it is
00:19:34.840the majority leader whether it's a minority leader and i'm talking about both parties i don't care who
00:19:39.800it is but yeah watching the dems just act like lemmings whenever schumer snaps his fingers i mean
00:19:48.100it's it's preposterous well that's why i stepped up lou that's why i stepped up because somebody's got
00:19:54.220to try and light that fire and that's what i'm trying to do right now and i'm trying to light the fire
00:19:59.340and um you know i hate to say it i love these guys but but sometimes i look at it as i'm trying
00:20:06.120to light the fire the woods wet the woods wet and and uh and i'm trying to first i got to blow on that
00:20:14.200wood to dry it off and then we're going to light the light the wood and that's that's that's the hope
00:20:19.360that i have and and uh i'm going to keep fighting it because lou we cannot elect somebody who's going to
00:20:28.500do the same thing that has brought us to this point and and is is afraid to use every tool in
00:20:38.400the toolbox you know you know when we we started doing the freedom caucus started leading this this
00:20:43.960thing on vote and just process to say we're going to vote on every bill you know who gave me the
00:20:49.520hardest time it was republicans it was not democrats republicans said it's inconvenient you're wasting
00:20:56.660our time everybody's going to vote for this bill anyway and i and my my first step was to them was
00:21:03.280to say look here's the deal if we don't use every tool then we will get beaten every time and if we
00:21:10.960can slow this down keep them so busy that they're focused on on their 30 suspension bills and we
00:21:18.080require a vote on every one of them then maybe we have a chance on the back end to stop 10 or 15 of
00:21:23.860their bills because they simply don't have time to process them and get them through how about that
00:21:27.900and they just that that's too logical that's too strategic i guess and you made me laugh with your
00:21:34.620the wet wood metaphor because i i think the choices in that conference are going to be