REP. ANDY BIGGS SAYS REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP HAS TO HAVE THE COURAGE, SPINE AND BACKBONE TO HOLD THE BIDEN ADMIN ACCOUNTABLE
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Andy Biggs, a four term member of the House Judiciary and Oversight Committee, joins The Great America Show host Lou Dobbs to discuss the results of the mid-term elections and what it means for the future of the Republican Party.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show. Thanks for being with us.
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And while we'd like to answer the really big questions like what happened to that big red
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tsunami and who should MAGA patriots fire, not for losing the great big red tsunami, but for
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letting the corporate Marxist media, the Marxist Dems, play the dullards in the GOP leadership
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in the raising of unrealistic and what turned out to be unachievable expectations. As we're talking,
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there's a serious question about four states remaining. How long will it take for Arizona,
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Nevada, and Alaska to decide? And of course, Georgia, because it has a runoff election
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between Warnock and Walker, set for December 6th, less than a percent of the votes separating the
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two men. And there's the awesome amount of money that was spent in these midterm elections. There's
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also the question of whether big donors to the two parties are getting their money's worth.
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We worry about that kind of thing, don't we? Almost $17 billion on state and federal elections in 50
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states, the most money ever spent on a midterm election. And I have a big question, my own,
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about why we let big money influence our elections at all. I'm getting just a little tired of what
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should be called in any other country, oligarchs. Far too much influence, far too much power in the
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United States. The balance of power in the Senate still hanging and Joe Biden looking good. He stayed
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out of sight for the last few days of the election and still outperformed his old boss, Barack Obama.
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Fewer seats lost in the House and Senate than Obama, who famously took a shellacking in his midterm
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elections. And of course, the Republicans will be settling big questions about their leadership
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in the House and the Senate. Very quickly, in fact, by design, of course, McConnell and McCarthy
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don't want any opposition to have time to organize around any other candidates. That may happen anyway,
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we'll see. The election for Speaker comes on the 15th of November, less than a week away.
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The election for Majority Minority Leader takes place the next day, the 16th. To give us some
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perspective and insight on these issues and more, our guest today is Congressman Andy Biggs, elected to
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four terms now in the U.S. House of Representatives, serving on the very important House Judiciary and
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oversight committees. Welcome back to The Great America Show, Congressman. Good to have you with us.
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Let's start with a leadership issue. Is Kevin McCarthy the right man to lead the Republicans in the House?
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Well, first of all, Lou, thanks for having me. It's great to be with you again. I always love our
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conversations in our chats and because you actually get to the heart of some of the most important
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issues. And so one of them is, what will the Republican leadership do? And I keep telling
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people, you know, I think, first of all, I think Kevin's probably the presumptive nominee and then
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ultimately the speaker. I think that's the case probably. But the question is, will, for instance,
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will we do the impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas? Well, as you know, I introduced articles of impeachment
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well over a year ago and things have only gotten worse. And and and so but Kevin has already kind
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of said, well, maybe we don't want to do impeachments. No, no, we do. The American people
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want him held accountable. And then but I will say on the other investigations, whether it's Hunter
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Biden or Fauci or DOJ weaponization or maybe even the J6 abuse of those of the of the prisoners,
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you know, pretrial detention of people for almost two years now. I do know because I sit on these
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committees, we've actually been working on who needs to be subpoenaed, how we're going to bring
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them in. And the Judiciary Committee has released a more than 1000 page study on the weaponization of
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of the DOJ. And so we'll use that as a guidepost. So I hope so. Lou, I'm with you. I hope we do
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something. We can't we can't fiddle around this time. You know, this is this election is what I
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styled as existential throughout. And I really I mean, every word I've said, if Republicans don't
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understand that this is their one last chance to be a serious party, you know, the Democrats don't
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have dinos, but the Republicans are blessed with rhinos. Why is it that there are no dinos in the
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Democrat Party and the Republicans have got so many? It's a it's it's a curse on the party. And it's really
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destroying the prospects for an even greater nation. Because even though the Republicans win,
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it looks like the establishment wins with them every time.
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Yeah, I mean, so you're asking a question that I always answer this way. I say, the reason that
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the Democrats always stay together, even when they go to crazy town on the left, which is where they are
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now, they're just out of touch with America, it's because they're collectivists and they're used to
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this hierarchical collectivist mentality. So they don't they don't think outside of the herd. And I
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do think that the problem that we have on the Republican side, which is not really a problem in
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some ways, but turns out to be a terrible problem, is that most Republicans are very independent
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individualists. And so we want our freedoms protected. They don't they don't. The Democrats don't
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view it that way. Now, the rhino problem. That's because you get people who just simply like power
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and want to keep it. Yeah, absolutely. And I think you're right. I would style it perhaps just a little
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differently. I think that the radical Dems in this country, the Marxist Dems have shown themselves to
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be authoritarian, totalitarian impulses, obviously running throughout this administration, with this
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puppet president. It's clear his his cabal, his puppet masters are without question, totalitarian.
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But with the Republicans, I think there's also if I may say, I mean, and this is there is in the Republican
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Party, almost a defeatist culture that I just don't understand it. They want to take orders from the
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Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce has made it clear there's only going to be there going
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to be two parties involved and they're going to run both of them. I mean, that's the way I took the
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rejection of Kevin McCarthy's demand that they get rid of the current CEO and was rebuffed. I mean,
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they effectively told him that you're you're you're you're at best 50 percent of the deal right now.
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Yeah. You know, and one of the reasons, too, Lou, is that for whatever reason, too many Republicans,
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but I think it's because we're nicer people than the Democrats, but but but they don't want to fight.
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You know, they don't want to fight. They don't use the same tools. That's the thing that Donald Trump
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did so well is he said, you know, people didn't like him, his mean tweets. But the reality is Donald
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Trump knew how to fight and he would fight for what he believed was right. And that's where Republicans
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have to be. And that's why the Freedom Caucus exists, for instance. That's why why we keep
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pushing back some of us on all of this stuff, because there is a really a uniparty kind of a
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swampy thing that President Trump talked about. And it covers both parties. And so it is constantly,
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at least to my way of thinking, a necessity to push back and fight for, let's say, transparency for
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one, let's say just fundamentally for the freedoms of American people and and fundamentally also to
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change the institution. So it goes back to being the small federal system where states have more
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power than the federal government and that that the very classic language of the Constitution,
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which says you have to meet at least one time per year in the in in the Constitution as Congress,
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that that wouldn't that be great if that was that we only met one time a year because the states were
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doing most of the heavy lifting and Congress wasn't. That requires fight, Lou, that requires fight.
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Yeah. And there are an increasing number of what I will call traditional Republicans,
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strong Republicans with strong views on limited government and empowerment of the state government,
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as you're describing it and the individual. I mean, when we have to have a fight over whether or not
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parents or domestic terrorists are not when they're pleading for their children in a school board
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meeting. I mean, we've really we've really descended to a level I don't think anyone could have anticipated
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even 20 years ago. But that's where we are. And the Republicans have not been vociferous.
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They haven't been strong. They should be out slamming every table demanding parental rights.
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And and I don't think it should be a matter of national politics. I would expect every congressman,
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every senator in his or her home state to be absolutely by without any question whatsoever,
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demanding that those school boards wake up and pay attention and start stripping
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a gender transitioning and sex education from the curricula of K through 12 right now.
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I agree 100 percent. And that's and that's the point is sometimes
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Democrats always fight. They will always fight. They will use every tool in the toolbox.
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And when when I when I say I want to use every tool in toolbox, people say, Andy,
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you can't be as mean as them. I can't. That's true. I cannot be as mean with them. But that doesn't
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mean I don't have the tools to use to go after and hold them accountable on everything from the crazy
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stuff that you're talking about in the, you know, gender mutilation and and grooming children as young as
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kindergarten and preschool. CRT. We've got to stand up. Yes. All of that.
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Yeah. You've got to stand up and fight. And you need to use every tool. And I get criticized by some
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of my own Republican colleagues for for using those tools to say, Andy, you know, you're losing your
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credibility. And I said, for what standing up for the American people? Yeah. What is that what it is?
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Yeah. Well, good for you. You mentioned tools. I mean, what tools are available to you to to
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congressmen and women who should be pushing back against all of this and making certain that
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the left isn't dissolving the Constitution at the local and state level?
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Well, the first thing in Congress, you've got you've got the tools of must pass legislation.
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Why in the world did 18 Republican senators help the Democrats pass a continuing resolution? What
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that did is that basically, you know, because Mitch McConnell said we don't want to shut down the
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government midterm election. You know what it did? It took away a tool, which is the leverage of
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budgeting. That is actually one of the great things that the founders gave the Congress, particularly the
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House of Representatives. Republicans in the House, we voted against that CR. But the senators,
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they in the Senate, they needed to get 60 votes. Right. And 18 Republican senators went. And that's
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the problem. That was McConnell. That was Mitch McConnell that went along with that. And and
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outrageous and disgraceful. And I'm I tell you what, it ends up on December 16th. And I'm I'm really
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concerned that we might have some senators because the Democrats control the House. So they'll get they'll
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get their thing out their bill out. But then it'll happen in the Senate. If they get their votes,
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they may do something crazy, like give up a whole year's worth of leverage by passing a continuing
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resolution all the way through the fiscal year, which is next September. And if that happens,
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the number one most powerful leverage tool that we have that says, you know, Joe Biden, we don't care what
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you say. You're going to start enforcing the law or we're not going to pass, you know, a budget that
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that works or we're going to. And we just we define the budget. Right. And make him veto it.
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Well, I question here is if if indeed Kevin McCarthy is the speaker, will the leadership in the House
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be strong enough to use the power of the purse, which is the purview of the House of Representatives?
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I hope so. I've been told, yes. But, you know, the proof is in the pudding, Lou. And in this instance,
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past history should be referred to. And the fact that he's already said that he's leery to impeach
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anybody, it makes me very, very concerned, although he said that and he's allowed judiciary and oversight
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to already begin prepping for these hearings to hold people accountable that way.
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But I'm just telling you, if you don't hold people accountable through an impeachment, somebody
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somebody deserves it, which is which is Alejandro Mayorkas more than anybody I've seen in recent years.
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Well, he's right there, too. I mean, the problem is if you name a cabinet official in the in the Biden
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administration that shouldn't be removed. I can't think of one. I can't think of any.
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I agree with you. Merrick Garland and Alejandro Mayorkas come to mind because they are so
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aggressively vicious in in refusing to carry out their constitutional responsibilities. In fact,
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acting against the interest of the United States, whether it be an open border, whether it be a
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raid on a former president's home, it's it just boggles the mind to think what this administration
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has brought to Washington, which was rancid to the core before them. I don't know how to describe it
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but now other than the stench is ever stronger in the swamp. Let's let's let's turn to the the proposition
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that that that Ronna McDaniel would have the temerity to sit down on Sunday television and say that the
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Republicans will work with Joe Biden on a host of issues as if this were a simpleton's model here
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where where you meet halfway on an issue, an issue like a border. So we have the border
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instead of two thousand miles wide open, make it one thousand miles open. Would that be a compromise
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if we cut half the deaths from fentanyl? Would that be satisfactory to the Republicans and Democrats?
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I mean, this is a kind of idiocy coming from the RNC chair that, frankly, I would have expected. I never
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expected to actually articulate that nonsense in public speaking for the Republican Party. Your your thoughts?
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Well, the American people, if they you know, when they elected the people that they've elected
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in response to Biden's malfeasance in office, to say that we're going to work with Joe Biden
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basically spits in their eye. The reality is they want us to fix the problems. And the way you fix the
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problems is not with a radicalized Joe Biden who has proven that he is every bit as radical and more
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so than even Bernie Sanders and AOC and company. The way you have to deal with them is use our leverage
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points. And those are must pass pieces of legislation. Those are bringing in people that
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that you have to you have oversight authority on. It means bringing back the Holman rule that you can
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actually defund individual bureaucrats who fail to follow the law. It means that you impeach those who
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need to be impeached. It means you use every tool in the toolbox. And if if Joe Biden at that point says,
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OK, I'm willing to actually enforce Title eight and detention until immigration status is determined,
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then then maybe you can start working with somebody like that. But right now it is lawless. He's lawless
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and his administration is lawless. And that is hard for me to understand how you can say, well,
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we're going to work with a tyrant. We're going to work with somebody who's basically abrogated the
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rule of law and has destroyed this country for a generation to come through his policies.
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That's tough for me to believe that somebody seriously is suggesting we do that.
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Yeah. And good for you. And let's be very direct here. Joe Biden is a corrupt individual in the White
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House of the United States. He's there because an election was not simply rigged and stolen,
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but it was it was carried out by 51 intelligence veterans, including five former CIA directors who lied
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about the Hunter Biden laptop in the days before the second and final presidential debate. They protected
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Joe Biden from the truth and they denied the American people the truth. It was an absolute disaster.
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And they changed history. And that is a matter of historic and factual record. William Barr, the attorney
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general for President Trump betrayed both the president and the American people in that month.
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And just as you know, it's just an awful moment. And there has to be an accounting.
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Absolutely. And that's that's part of this weaponization of the FBI. So for political purposes,
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just think about the disparity here. So for political purposes, you have Hunter Biden's laptop suppressed.
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Right. And at the same time, you have throwing out there this constant Russian hoax garbage
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to try to to basically delegitimize President Trump's administration and his reelection.
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And so they picked winners and losers in the election. But it isn't just that. I mean,
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we can go back to the the I.T. gate where you had that the Awan family with 45 Democrats in the House.
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They sat on that. They suppressed the evidence of that, of what really was going on.
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And that was just, you know, in 2017, for Pete's sake. So there's a whole gambit again, a gamut of this stuff.
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And I find myself just pulling my hair out that when when Republicans immediately, they acquiesce,
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they negotiate against themselves. And in the end, they lay the foundation to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory,
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because we can win this thing. But we're about if we don't do what we're supposed to do,
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if we don't keep faith with the people who vote for us, who elect us, then we will fail.
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We will fail them and we will fail this country and we will lose their trust.
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And that means we'll lose elections for many years to come.
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We are looking at a number of people who are stepping into leadership roles.
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Do they have the fire in the belly and the strength of spine to do as you are suggesting,
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to take the battle for the leadership of the House conference, the Republican conference,
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and make certain that they are being that there are leaders in place, not people who are following
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the the the dictates of the Chamber of Commerce and perhaps even the Democratic Party?
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I believe they do. I believe they do. I've been talking with James Comer from Kentucky,
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who's the oversight chair and Jim Jordan now for for literally months about when we get the majority back.
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This is what we we need to do. And I, of course, always emphasize impeach Mayorkas.
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I always emphasize you need to have Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx brought to brought to account.
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You need to bring Hunter Biden. You need to bring in the FBI guys and DOJ people who've abused parents
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who who are just going to school boards. And and they've agreed with me and actually
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they've done the prep work, I think, is necessary. They've sent out, you know, that they always
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telegraph this, but they sent out the the preservation letters. They've they've been doing research.
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They've been having their staff work on that. I always remember how how loud
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Trey Gowdy was the chair of the Benghazi committee when Paul Ryan said there's going to be a serious
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investigation of Hillary Clinton. And what we watched was Kabuki theater. It was a stage play.
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And it was a joke from top to bottom. It was an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
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And by the way, not an insult to the intelligence of the media, because they fell for the nonsense,
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most of it and got away with it. If we see a repeat of that, I guarantee you the Republican Party
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will be in shambles. There just isn't the stomach amongst the American people in my judgment to put
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up with any more nonsense. And when you say impeachment, impeachment is fine. If it's factual,
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it's fast and founded on the interest of the nation rather than, you know, putting up a show,
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show because we've had enough show committees like J six. I just wonder, I just I have a terrible,
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terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that there's still too many rhinos who are posing as
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serious, serious Republicans and citizens to get the job done. I hope I'm wrong, but I have that feeling.
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I want to get your reaction to it. I have that terrible feeling as well. Right now, I'm hopeful,
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but cautious because we've seen this game before. I've heard rhetoric before. But look, if this is just
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performance art, it's not going to do us a bit of good and it will undermine everything this country
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needs at this time. And not only undermine what this country needs, but if you if you care about
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the Republican Party, because I do think the platform is the right platform, which is why I
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stay Republican. Right. I mean, it's what we should be doing. If we don't do it, Lou, I think you're
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right. I think that we will lose trust. And if you want the mark, think of let's watch what we do
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between January 3rd and the end of September of 2023. That will tell us everything because,
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as you know, you start moving into an election year and you're moving into a presidential election
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cycle as well. And so everything else stagnates at Congress. So you got really about eight to 10 months
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max for the for the House of Representatives in the Senate to do some some meaningful things.
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And that means they have to act fast. They have to be organized. And that we our leadership has
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got to have courage and the backbone in the spine to go out and do what needs to be done. And that's
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it isn't just about holding the Biden administration accountable. It's about trying to get your policy
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through by using the leverage points we've already discussed. Right. No, I think that makes perfect
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sense. I'm going to say, though, I would I would look to what has been done by the Republican Party
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by July 4th there. If it isn't done and if it isn't set and if the parameters aren't established and
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the goals published and a transparent, open declaration of war against corruption against a party that is
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is Marxist led and opposition and without real achievement and I'm talking about actually moving
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Mayorkas out of office, I'm talking about Biden understanding that this Republican Congress will
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not put up with any more anti-American policies or actions on the part of the executive ever again.
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If that isn't all underway and by I'd say February and clearly in front of the American public,
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that I think it's a hopeless, hopeless cause and an opportunity for the Republican Party to be the
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countervailing domestic influence to what is a Marxist led Democrat Party. I just think it's that
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straightforward, that simple and in that time frame. Yeah. Yeah, you're right in the sense that
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it could it could be but you like whatever it is, it's it's whether it's six months or nine months,
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you don't have a lot of time. You can't dance around just talking. You can't do a, you know, a dance.
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You can't do this performance art for six, eight months and then say, well, you know, we never had the
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presidency should go ahead now elect the House, the Senate and then give us the presidency too.
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People are not stupid. They won't buy it. They won't trust us. You have to keep trust and you
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keep trust by doing what you said you would do. And the American people are telling us what they want
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and they want people held accountable. They want, they want cheap to get back to cheap gas.
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They want to be able to live their lives without deciding, well, I can't afford this,
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this brand of bread. I'm going to have to buy this brand of bread, which I don't like, but it's
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cheaper because we simply can't afford it. You this in this economy, this border, this crime,
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what's going on in the schools, our weakness around the world, people know and understand
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all of that. And we have to address that immediately. Amen. Absolutely. Amen.
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I just would like to, as we wrap up here, we have left out one subject and that is America first,
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make America great. Right now, we have a conflict within the Republican Party about President Trump
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and in particular, Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida.
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This is a president who has been persecuted for, for seven years. If without Donald Trump,
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the Republicans wouldn't have much to talk about and indeed would have accomplished very little.
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Indeed. Give us your sense of who is the presumptive leader of the Republican Party
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and who is in the strongest position to lead the party from 24 onward.
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Well, I'd say right now, President Trump is the presumptive leader of the Republican Party. He is
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by far going to win the primary if he decides to run, which I think he probably has. He's going to win
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that and he's going to go forward. And I believe that he can win the election in 2024. And then he
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will lead it for those four years. And then, and then I think at that point, Ron DeSantis will have
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finished his second term mid, mid, midway through that about 2026. And Ron can work because I think
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he'd be a great successor to Donald Trump. And I think he'd come in and have a shot to win in 2028,
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provided, and he gets back to this whole thing, Lou, provided Republicans do what they say they're
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going to do. And we watched the establishment and the rhinos undercut President Trump everywhere
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they could. They tried to undercut him. And he's still got, yeah. I'm sorry, go ahead.
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And he's still got some great things done. I mean, look, I could tell you the border,
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he brought it under control. Not perfect, but as close to operational control as I've seen in my
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lifetime. Yeah. And by the way, when you go through the list of accomplishments,
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as we, and we're all thankful to him for that, if it were not for him, the Republicans wouldn't
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have a single element to talk about because none of that legislation, none of those agenda items
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were the product of the House Republicans or the Senate Republicans. And by the way, one of the
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the reasons you guys have to succeed is McConnell is helping the Dems everywhere defeat Republicans,
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whether it's pulling money from the candidates as he did for the midterm elections, whether it is
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indeed working with them on compromises that are really simply an acquiescence to Marxist Dem policies.
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That is critical and laying the foundation for a second Trump administration. We always give our
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guests here, as you know, Congressman, the last word. Your concluding thoughts.
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Well, I'd say, Lou, you and I still live in the best country in the history of the world.
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It's under attack existentially. And we get to stand in the breach and we're doing that. But the
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American people, they want the country they expect to know to be free and prosperous and enduring. And
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that means defeating President Biden's minions at every step, every step. Thanks so much for being with
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us. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thanks, Lou. Always good to be with you.
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Thanks, everybody, for being with us today. Our guest tomorrow is Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.
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Please join us for that and more. Till then, God bless you and may God bless America.