REPUBLICANS—TIME FOR SPINE
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The Supreme Court is responding to Special Counsel Jack Smith's request for an expedited ruling on President Trump's immunity plea in the Russia case. Congressman Matt Rosendale joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss this development.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Great of you to be with us.
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The Supreme Court responding to Special Counsel Jack Smith's request for a ruling
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on President Trump's immunity plea. It took the Supreme Court less than two days to respond to the
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junkyard jackal's request. It seems almost too good to be true, doesn't it? Where was that
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expedition at the court when it came to the 2020 election and all the irregularities?
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In a brief order, the Supreme Court signaled it would grant Jack Smith's request for an expedited
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consideration, giving Trump's attorneys until December 20th to respond to arguments on the
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President's immunity. Legal scholar Jonathan Turley says Smith is going outside the regular order
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because he is clearly obsessed with convicting Trump before the 2024 election.
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It is not the regular order of things. Smith had just filed, or this matter was just filed before
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the D.C. Circuit. And then he decided that he wanted to leapfrog over the Court of Appeals and go
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directly to the Supreme Court. The only reason for that is that he is really focused entirely on
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trying Trump during this campaign and trying to convict him before the election. The question
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is whether the Supreme Court's going to feel that that is such an urgent priority that you actually
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bring this case before Super Tuesday. Usually the Supreme Court likes to hear from multiple court
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of appeals. They certainly want normally to hear from at least one on these issues. And so they may not
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have the same sense of priority as Smith, who seems almost obsessed with trying Trump before the
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election. Turley also brought up another interesting reason for Smith to try the case and to do so
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expeditiously. It's interesting. The possibility that Trump might grant himself a presidential pardon.
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Here's Turley. If Trump wins, he can pardon himself and then Smith will never see a jury in this case.
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I mean, so if Trump does prevail in the election, if he's not convicted at that point, he can give
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himself a preemptory pardon. He doesn't have to wait for the trial. To me, this is nothing more than
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election interference, an attempt by the special counsel to jail the leading political opponent of
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the president of the United States, Joe Biden. This is un-American. It's inhumane. And I have to say,
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if the court supports the special counsel on this, it is absolutely a disaster.
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Speaker Mike Johnson, failing another major test of his speakership, he caved on the FISA 702
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surveillance bill. We told you about that yesterday. This week, there would be a bid to end warrantless
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surveillance of American citizens. Andy Biggs, the sponsor, and it looks like a major blowback is on
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its way from members of both parties because Speaker Johnson decided to withdraw both FISA bills,
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not to have a vote, and to insert an extended 702 authorization for another four months.
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The speaker is now bound to FBI Director Christopher Wray and others in the deep state
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to not put forward any reforms on the FISA bill and to simply put it within the NDAA,
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which is exactly what Speaker Johnson has agreed to do. We urge you to call your members of Congress,
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your senators, and tell them you want reform to the FISA program and that you're against the NDAA
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being coupled with a 702 extension. The number to get a hold of your representative or your senator,
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again, is the Capitol switchboard. That number is 202-224-3121. That's 202-224-3121.
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Please make your voice heard. Our guest today is Congressman Matt Rosendale of the great state
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of Montana. And Congressman, great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show. I have to say,
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I'm watching your conference, your colleagues in the Republican Party, and I don't think there's any
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hyperbole here to say things look a little out of control. Your thoughts? I don't think we're
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really devolving to chaos, but I will tell you this, Lil. You are starting to see, those who haven't
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watched it over the years, very clearly this stark line between those who keep their campaign
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promises and those who walk around and make a lot of promises to get elected and then never abide by
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them. And whether we're discussing the crazy spending that takes place up here or the commitment
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to put America's needs first, that's where we're seeing these very stark lines drawn. And there's a
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small group of conservatives that continue to try to bring the conference, the Republican
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conference over to the right, over to the side that they campaigned on, and we're having a difficult
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time doing so. And then what you see is this continual effort by leadership, instead of just
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bringing votes to the floor, allowing people to show exactly what they believe in or allowing people
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to demonstrate what they truly believe in, to basically give them cover by utilizing tools like
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continuing resolutions and just extending authorities out instead of trying to make the changes that
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are necessary to preserve our republic. I don't know who Mike Johnson is, and I don't know about,
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I don't know how reliable he is as a leader. Can you give me some reason for hope?
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Because you have a small group of conservatives that are still out here fighting for the people,
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though. But I'll tell you that that that is what the state of our republic lies in right now. It truly
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does. When I see that the Intel Committee and the Judiciary Committee cannot come to terms on a reform of
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the FISA legislation, what they're calling 702, in order to make sure that we can protect our country,
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but primarily make sure that we protect the civil liberties of every citizen across this country.
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And they were going to try and utilize some tool that they call Queen of the Hill, so that we decide as a
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Congress which one of these pieces of legislation we like better. And they couldn't even come to terms with that.
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We cannot be silent, okay? I was not sent here to try to accommodate the status quo, try to accommodate
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leadership, and try to get legislation passed without ruffling feathers. I was sent up here
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to make changes, to preserve our republic. And like you say, that is what it's going to take between the
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fiscal issues that we are facing right now, and the invasion that's taking place on our southern border.
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Everything else, to me, honestly, falls well below that in terms of importance. But FISA is one of the
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important things, because I will tell you, that's what they used to spy on President Trump. That's what
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they have used to spy on Catholics who decided to attend Latin masses. That's what they have used
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to spy on parents who wanted to attend school board meetings to advocate for their children. And we
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must have reforms, or quite frankly, I say, terminate FISA if you're not going to have those reforms put in
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place. I don't understand how the Intelligence Committee of either the House or the Senate could
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approve 702 again without substantial reform. Personally, I would prefer it be absolutely removed.
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But without reform, because these agencies, the very same agencies, and plus a few, spied on the Senate
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and House Intelligence Committees. And they've done it over the course of, what, the past 15 years.
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What ignorance drives a man who is the chairman of that committee to reauthorize any tool that has been
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abused so profoundly by the intelligence agencies, the FBI, and the Department of Justice?
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I have to think, okay, that his intentions are pure. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. And I think
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that what is happening is that he is so immersed in the intelligence community that they have convinced
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him that this is an absolute necessity in order to protect our nation. I think his intentions are pure.
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The problem is that for those of us that are on the outside looking in, we fall back to Benjamin
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Franklin, I think is the one that paraphrase, and I'll paraphrase, he who is willing to compromise some
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of his liberty for some perceived security deserves neither. And so I think that that's what these guys are
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stuck on that they really believe that they're trying to preserve our liberties by, you know,
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compromising this or preserve our security by compromising our liberties. And they are taking
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away both. And the intel community, of course, wants to have as many tools to investigate as many people
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as they possibly can, with the promise that they would never turn these tools against American
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citizens or folks that they perceive as being innocent. I do not believe that our Constitution
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gives them the ability to even have that choice.
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And again, I agree with you and I applaud your position on it. We're talking with Congressman Matt
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Rosendale, great American. We're coming right back with him right after these words. Stay with us.
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We're back. We're talking with Congressman Matt Rosendale. And Congressman, again, we have a
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conference that is showing itself to be divided, and particularly over issues that should, it seems,
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at least to me, and I certainly can't speak to the American people. But these are issues that run to the
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heart of principle for patriots and certainly for those who represent the American people, I would think.
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And that is authorizing a tool to spy on the American people for whatever reason.
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There seems to be a contest of will in the conference over that. It seems straightforward.
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How complicated could it be? And why would the Speaker of the House make commitment after commitment
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after commitment break that commitment completely, in some instances, frankly, inflame a number of
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committees that were involved in the NDAA? They thought they were negotiating for it. And the next thing
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they know, they've been treated just like servants with a new master. Your thoughts?
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So the intelligence community in this city, across the nation, wants as much information as they can
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possibly get their hands on, with the promise that they would never use it against American citizens.
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And again, that's not what the Constitution, that's not what the Bill of Rights states. And so the FISA
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language, which they're calling 702, keep in mind, FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
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Anytime that they are utilizing any portion of that to gather information from an American citizen,
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as far as I'm concerned, it is wrong and it should not be allowed. And there is a lot of people
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that are continuing to try and reform FISA. It was put in place under the scare tactics of a tax on
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upon our country and upon our citizens. And this goes back again to Benjamin Franklin saying that anyone
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who is willing to compromise their liberty for some perceived security deserves neither. And people were
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so horrified though, some of the acts, they said, well, we're willing to compromise here. We're willing to
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let them peek in to our emails. We're willing to let them take a little peek into the phone records of
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some individuals. Who's making these decisions? And what are they doing with that information? And what
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happens when they open up that door and it opens up to another door, to another door, to another door?
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It is a dangerous path that we have allowed ourselves to go down. And there's a lot of American citizens that
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I'm convinced that their civil liberties have been violated as a direct result of this. And so the
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the Judiciary Committee is trying to substantially rein this in. The Intel Committee is not because,
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again, they're listening to the Intel community that not just wants all that information, Lou, but keep in
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mind, there are people that are profiting immensely by developing more surveillance equipment and gathering
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more of this information. They benefit financially from this. And we have got to stop allowing the
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lobbyists, the Unistate, the Uniparty and Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell to get together and direct
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legislation around this city. I just cannot imagine what they're doing to the American people because
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it's plain as it can be that this is deleterious to the Republican, to the American way, our way of
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life. And we just really have to come to terms with so much. And peculiarly, at the same time,
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we're waiting for a vote to formalize, to certify the impeachment inquiry.
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Right. Again, the evidence is out front of everyone. It's straightforward. It is money laundering,
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and it had only one purpose. And that was to line the pockets of President Biden and the Biden family.
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So why is there such consternation, such hesitation about moving straight ahead with that impeachment?
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The only thing that I can imagine is that the Republican leadership and those that are making
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those decisions, I don't have the authority to make that decision to bring that resolution to the floor.
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And I'm thinking that they are trying to basically overcompensate. It's almost like when you hire one
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of your children to come into your firm and you bear down on them harder than you do any other employee,
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just to show that you're not having showing favoritism. And I think that they're trying to
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show that that we are doing a much better job than the Democrats did with the faulty and failed
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impeachment process that they brought forward on President Trump on both of the impeachment
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resolutions that they brought forth on them, that these are truly thoughtful resolutions that are
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backed by facts and the charges are substantial and that they should be honored.
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And all I can come up with is that this is, again, an issue of leadership.
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Mike Johnson, the new speaker, he looks like he's a tool of K Street for crying out loud.
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I think that the impeachment inquiry is actually just the tip of the iceberg myself.
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I personally believe that based upon the different financial transactions that have already been
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shared with us because of the good work that Jamie Comer has done, that we really should witness the
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Department of Justice bringing forth charges and prosecutions to Joe Biden and many of his family members.
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And to your point, Chairman James Comer, Congressman from Kentucky, I think he's done a wonderful job.
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He and his committee have just been outstanding.
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And I think the same is true with judiciary and ways and means.
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It is so obvious as you watch him and stand before all of that evidence that they've amassed and say,
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It's immensely frustrating, I'm sure, to all of you, frankly.
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We're going to continue our conversation right after these words.
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And Congressman, I want to start with you endorse President Donald Trump.
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So I've always been very supportive of President Trump.
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He's come out to Montana and visited and supported me many times over.
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And I was there when the electors were brought forward in 2020.
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I saw enough credible evidence that there was fraud and voter problems in Arizona and Pennsylvania.
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I voted against those electors when they brought those faulty charges against him in New York
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I went down to Mar-a-Lago and I stood beside him then on indictment day.
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I have signed up to join the resolutions in the House of Representatives to expunge anything
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And I certainly opposed the impeachment vote when it came before me.
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I think that he did an incredible job when he was the president.
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He did the best job that I have seen as far as putting our country's interests first,
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whether it was trade agreements, whether it was employment, whether it was
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bringing manufacturing back here to the country, whether it was building up our military and doing
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it in a fashion that people were proud to join the military again instead of the weak numbers
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And I went down to Mar-a-Lago again this weekend.
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And when I returned, I thought this is a good time to make my endorsement public.
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Well, good for you and good for President Trump.
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As we're looking at this continued persecution of President Trump, again, the Jack Smith,
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the special counsel filing for expedited ruling by the Supreme Court on the extent of the immunity
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afforded a president of the United States, an obvious effort to maintain the trial date,
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March 4th, which is just the day before Super Tuesday.
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This is an effort, it appears to me and to others, that is purely to create an accelerated basis
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and to try to put the president in a disadvantaged position on March 4th.
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Lou, this all has been an orchestrated attempt at election interference.
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And any impartial judge, whether it be civilian or actually wearing a robe,
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can look at it and see that was all put together.
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Each one of these charges, each of the locations that they've been selected from,
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has been set up to interfere with the election, both primary and general election of 2024,
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to keep Donald J. Trump out of the White House once again, where they know that he will help us
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expose the deep state and rid this country of the corruption that is taking place at the highest
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levels. They also know that it's people like me that have been in their bucking leadership,
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whether it's Kevin McCarthy, and certainly they don't want to see someone like me in the United
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States Senate bucking Mitch McConnell because of all the power that the leadership has been able to
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wield over their members. And they see that there's a few of us that are willing to buck that in the
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interest of the country. And let's let's talk about your plans. Are you definitely running for
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the U.S. Senate? You know, by the time we finish up with this Christmas break, Lou,
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I will have been able to spend enough time with my family and back in the state of Montana having
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conversations with the folks that I trust their opinion the most to be able to make a decision about
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that. We still have plenty of time. You're not even eligible to register for an office in Montana until
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January the 11th. And the deadline isn't until March 11th. So we still have plenty of time, but
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we are going to be able to spend some quality time as a family during the holidays. And that'll give me
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what I need. Well, Congressman, we appreciate it. And we wish you all the best of luck as you make that
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consideration and eventual decision. Thanks so much for being with us. And Merry Christmas and
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Happy Holidays, Congressman Matt Rosendale. Thanks for being with us. Merry Christmas to you. God bless
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you, Lou. Thank you. Thanks, everybody, for being with us here today. Our guest here tomorrow on The
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Great America Show is Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson. We'll be talking about anti-Semitism that seems
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to be raging across America's campuses of colleges and universities. And what in the world are we going
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to do about it? That's tomorrow. Please join us and join us each and every day on The Great America Show.
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And thank you for being with us today. God bless you. And may God bless America.