The Great America Show - RINOS MAKE BIDEN AND OTHER MESSES POSSIBLE

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.

00:00:09.220 And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.

00:00:14.880 Hello, everybody. Glad you could join us on this edition of the Great America Show.

00:00:19.980 And I want to thank everyone for making this podcast such a great success.

00:00:24.540 I have to believe most of us, though, these days find ourselves in wonderment and disbelief

00:00:30.660 as we watch the Biden administration, the radical Dems, the Marxist left,

00:00:36.420 all carry out a full-scale and frontal assault on our American way of life.

00:00:41.800 But some changes that are taking place should give us some hope for our country's future.

00:00:48.120 Now, I think most of us are more than a little frustrated with the FBI and the Department of Justice

00:00:53.620 for their role in the greatest political scandal in our country's history,

00:00:58.280 that is, the Democrat-financed and DOJ-enabled effort to try to overthrow the presidency of Donald J. Trump.

00:01:06.660 We're learning more, albeit too slowly, from the investigation by Special Counsel John Durham.

00:01:14.020 And most of us, again, I believe, are just shaking our heads at some of the acts committed by the FBI,

00:01:20.320 its top officials, none of whom have been held to account for their transgressions.

00:01:26.180 So I think you'll be as excited as I am to learn that the FBI and Department of Justice

00:01:31.440 have recently acknowledged their failure to act three years ago to stop a school shooting.

00:01:39.320 And that has resulted in a settlement of more than $100 million.

00:01:43.320 The federal government calls it a tentative settlement with the families of the young victims

00:01:48.980 killed and wounded in the 2018 mass shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida.

00:01:54.740 The families sued over the FBI's failure to act on warnings that the gunman was planning an attack.

00:02:02.420 But what those families won was what will be, hopefully, a precedent

00:02:07.040 that will allow citizens to sue the FBI and the Justice Department when it fails to act or acts illegally.

00:02:16.120 Of course, when it comes to the election of 2020,

00:02:19.200 most citizens will think of the FBI's and Department of Justice's failure

00:02:23.560 to investigate incidents of fraud that have led millions to question the outcome of the presidential election.

00:02:31.000 As things stand now, there's no way to compel our government to do the right thing

00:02:35.300 or to respond to citizen concerns about the fundamental integrity of our electoral system.

00:02:42.200 But hopefully, that's beginning to change.

00:02:45.780 Well, Vernon Jones is one of the people trying to create change in a state that had more than its share

00:02:51.380 of accusations of fraud and appearances of considerable irregularities in the 2020 election.

00:02:58.040 Vernon Jones puts the blame for all of that on the state's current governor,

00:03:01.440 Brian Kemp, and his secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger.

00:03:06.840 Jones is a great American, a Trump populist, a Trump conservative candidate running for governor of Georgia.

00:03:13.900 So, Vernon, welcome to The Great America Show.

00:03:17.200 You're up against, as you well know, the Republican establishment,

00:03:21.080 and some big money is behind your likely Democrat opponent.

00:03:25.260 How do you feel about how the race is going to this point, your campaign?

00:03:29.280 Well, first of all, it's an honor to be with The Great American on The Great American Show.

00:03:36.160 I'm so glad you're back.

00:03:37.600 I'm so glad you're communicating with your supporters and followers again and setting the record straight.

00:03:43.960 Well, thank you.

00:03:44.320 Our race is going great.

00:03:46.780 Let me tell you, we are building such a huge grassroots team.

00:03:51.320 Our campaign is coming from the bottom going up, not from the up coming down,

00:03:55.820 or I should say from the top coming down.

00:03:57.460 And I have been able to connect with people, the base of the Republican Party.

00:04:02.580 And I can tell you right now, Lou, they do not and have not forgotten what happened in 2020.

00:04:09.020 They do not have a lot of confidence in our elections system.

00:04:14.500 Election integrity is the top thing that's on their mind.

00:04:17.280 And more than anything else, Lou, the audit, they have been screaming for an audit.

00:04:23.000 And it's not so much that they're trying to overturn an election, Lou.

00:04:26.560 They just want the truth.

00:04:28.880 And the governor, Governor Kemp, and really the majority of the Republicans,

00:04:33.620 which control both houses, have not been forthcoming with an audit so people can get their questions answered.

00:04:42.980 They just want the truth.

00:04:44.440 And that's it.

00:04:45.220 And they're being denied the truth.

00:04:47.320 You know, see, I'd like to get your direct thoughts on why we're seeing in so many states this question,

00:04:58.760 whether it's Arizona, whether it's Pennsylvania, whether it's Georgia.

00:05:03.060 Why in the world does the Republican Party not want to have those answers?

00:05:09.120 You know, it doesn't, frankly, at this point, it's not going to change a lot to find out that there was a lot of fraud that did change the outcome.

00:05:18.940 There's nothing anybody can really do about it.

00:05:20.920 But what would be nice is to know what happened and what were the irregularities and what were the motivations for some of the things that happened,

00:05:31.580 whether it be executive branches of state government taking over for the legislature where the power to set elections and election regulations resides.

00:05:43.180 And that doesn't matter which state.

00:05:45.220 That's true across the entire country.

00:05:47.900 But we all have, most of us, I would say, have questions.

00:05:52.280 And all we're asking for is an honest investigation.

00:05:55.000 And that seems to be the last thing, the last thing that the Republican Party is interested in delivering.

00:06:03.940 And I'm talking about the state Republican Party.

00:06:06.600 Well, if you look at the leadership of the Georgia Republican Party, the governor, Governor Kemp is at odds with President Trump.

00:06:15.040 And Governor Kemp, the Secretary of State and the Attorney General, they all want to see President Trump go away.

00:06:20.380 And they know that President Trump is so popular in Georgia.

00:06:26.220 But again, President Trump was saying well in advance, when you look at drop-off boxes and that type of election apparatus,

00:06:35.780 that it would create an environment for election fraud.

00:06:38.540 If you remember in Georgia, the election drop-off boxes were not written into our state statute prior to 2020.

00:06:44.860 And what you saw happen is that people felt as though those drop-off boxes were open for voting irregularities.

00:06:55.220 They saw what happened on the video with the voting counting, if you will, for the largest precinct in the state of Georgia, that video State Farm Arena.

00:07:04.920 You saw a lot of things that people felt uncomfortable with.

00:07:08.020 And they just wanted to get some questions answered.

00:07:10.440 And the governor, by wanting to move past 2020, he refused to call a special session for an investigation of what happened.

00:07:18.980 And then he refused to call for an audit, a forensic audit, so people can get to the bottom line and get their questions answered.

00:07:26.620 And so the legislature has been under the thumb of the governor, and the governor's holding them hostage.

00:07:32.480 So those within the Republican Party who controlled both houses and the governor's office, they're all following the lead of the governor, including the attorney general who just came out recently.

00:07:43.480 He has his own race, but isn't it interesting how he came out and endorsed the governor?

00:07:49.440 It's the darndest thing.

00:07:51.660 You know, Georgia's getting, as they say, right uptown.

00:07:56.100 They got some fancy maneuvers going on.

00:07:58.920 So let me ask you about one of the other maneuvers, which I think is funny, and that's Georgia's Raffensperger calling for bipartisan election reform.

00:08:09.420 And he was the fellow in charge of the election.

00:08:12.240 So what's that all about?

00:08:14.920 Well, it's ironic that he's calling for a bipartisan election reform when he was the one that said that we had a perfect election.

00:08:21.380 He was the one who said it on 60 Minutes.

00:08:24.420 He sent a letter to Congress, including the governor, said everything was fine.

00:08:27.620 So my point then, if everything is fine, what is wrong with an audit?

00:08:33.480 Now, Lou, not a recount, because a recount is if you have 50 ballots, you count 50 ballots, you're going to end up with 50 ballots.

00:08:40.740 But an audit, you examine the paper, you examine the creases from an absentee ballot that was folded.

00:08:46.280 You look at the markings.

00:08:47.540 Is it an ink mark or is it a checkmark?

00:08:49.900 You look at the chain of custody.

00:08:51.340 Was the proper signatures and the date and timestamps on those ballots?

00:08:55.340 And then, you know, again, the Rathensburg and others came up with this drop off box idea that they took from Stacey Abrams and they set their own rules.

00:09:04.760 But one of the things in there that they required was a video camera.

00:09:09.200 Now, isn't it interesting that not a single time has this secretary of state or governor and the others call for a review of those video cameras?

00:09:18.520 Because those video cameras will show you instantly if there have been individuals coming there with multiple ballots because by their own rules, you can only bring your own ballot unless you're a family member, live in the household.

00:09:31.980 And you can not be going to multiple drop off boxes and dropping ballots off, not if you just dropping off one ballot.

00:09:39.820 So he has not even examined the videos.

00:09:42.580 And, Lou, I can tell you there's a dead cat on the end of that line.

00:09:46.820 And real soon, you're going to see something.

00:09:50.700 Well, I hope soon.

00:09:52.440 Are you talking about soon?

00:09:54.480 Real soon.

00:09:55.280 And it's going to all go back to the drop off boxes by, interestingly enough, it was President Trump that talked about the harvesting of ballots.

00:10:04.520 You're going to see where multiple ballots were harvested and taken to drop off boxes.

00:10:11.700 And you're going to see in here where it goes back to who was in charge or who was responsible for that type of activity.

00:10:20.480 And you're going to be surprised.

00:10:21.740 Well, we're looking forward to learning more about the elections, whether they be in the state of Georgia or whatever state where there's still some questions.

00:10:32.560 You know, I want to get your sense of this.

00:10:35.100 I don't know whether or not the outcome of the election would be changed if anything had been different.

00:10:42.880 But I do know there are instances of fraud.

00:10:45.200 There were absolutely illegal changes in state election regulations and the way in which those elections were handled in a half, at least a half dozen states.

00:11:00.700 What I don't know is if, you know, it would change the outcome.

00:11:05.060 What is your sense of whether there were enough irregularities, anomalies, if you will, or outright fraud of various kinds?

00:11:15.200 Do you think that the election outcome would have been changed?

00:11:19.280 Well, let me say this, Lou.

00:11:20.860 The United States Constitution provides for the legislature and the legislature only to make and change and adopt election laws.

00:11:29.680 When drop-off boxes were used in 2020, they were never written into law by the legislature and even designated as a precinct.

00:11:41.280 Now, if you saw all those coverings, all the coverage, they were all saying from the media, liberal media, that drop-off boxes favor the Democrats.

00:11:50.600 Drop-off boxes favor Joe Biden here in Georgia.

00:11:53.200 If that's the case then, if someone had litigated and asked the judge at the time, right after the 2020 election, before the 2021 election, ask the judge for declaratory judgment on whether or not the executive branch had the authority to do what the legislature has to do and must do, and that is make election laws.

00:12:16.880 If they were to do a declaratory judgment, ask for declaratory judgment, judge, are these drop-off boxes legal?

00:12:23.260 If he had ruled, which many of us would have clearly thought, if he had ruled that they were illegal, then all of those ballots would be taken out, considered invalid.

00:12:34.940 And if that's the case, it's clear.

00:12:37.300 Well, there were thousands and thousands of ballots, drop-off box ballots.

00:12:43.920 And matter of fact, in Fulton and DeKalb County, the Democratic counties, the heavily populated counties, they had the most of them out there.

00:12:51.560 They had them all over.

00:12:53.360 So if you had to validate those drop-off boxes where the ballots were, clearly there would be a big shift.

00:13:01.380 Now, here's what's interesting.

00:13:03.820 After the 2020 election, if they had done that and they would discover that those ballots were invalid because of the drop-off boxes, it could have had an effect on the 2021 election.

00:13:13.320 And we wouldn't have been using drop-off boxes at all.

00:13:15.940 But the legislature did something that was interesting.

00:13:18.880 They came back in 2021 after the 2021 election, wrote into the law of the drop-off boxes.

00:13:25.440 Stacey Abrams come forward with another lawsuit saying that they didn't put enough drop-off boxes there. 0.99

00:13:30.880 And ironically, the defense for the attorney general was, wait a minute, only the legislature determined drop-off boxes, whether it was one drop-off box or 21 drop-off boxes.

00:13:40.240 They're the only ones that could determine election laws.

00:13:42.240 And it was right, and it stood.

00:13:44.600 So wait a minute.

00:13:45.500 Where were you, Mr. Attorney General, when they started to drop-off boxes in 2020?

00:13:51.300 You know, I laugh because once you cross the boundaries of the absurd, there's no choice but to laugh.

00:13:57.360 It's a historical election, a historic election, and it is one that we're going to be talking about, I'm sure, for years and years.

00:14:09.260 By the way, the left in this country doesn't want us talking about it.

00:14:13.840 They don't want any questions about it.

00:14:15.600 They don't want to – they would just assume that everybody forget it ever happened, but that won't be happening because the Republican Party has got a commitment to making certain that it won't be repeated.

00:14:30.100 Let me ask you that, Vernon.

00:14:31.960 Will there be a repeat of 2020 and 2022?

00:14:37.100 Well, I can tell you this.

00:14:38.540 The flashlight has been shunned on those cockroaches, and they're running towards the cracks, meaning there's a lot more eyes on the 2022 election.

00:14:47.860 I will say this, though.

00:14:49.920 In the Republican Party and certainly in the base, there is a significant amount of distrust in Dominion, and many of them are feeling, are we going to have a repeat of 2020?

00:15:05.020 We still have Dominion.

00:15:06.500 They don't trust Dominion, and I can understand why.

00:15:10.240 Here's a company that came in, $120 million contract for 10 years, first time we've had them to use for our statewide elections, and you would think just in business period, when you put in a new system, don't you want to do an audit to see if it's working properly?

00:15:30.740 And so, again, it goes back to what I was saying.

00:15:34.120 People have so many questions and don't feel like it's being addressed or their questions not getting answered.

00:15:39.720 It's not, again, it's like Reagan.

00:15:41.380 It's not that they don't trust on one hand, but they just want to verify.

00:15:45.260 But if you don't want to verify, that increases the distrust.

00:15:49.280 So, yeah, there's concern in 2022, but I think people believe, including the base, it's like medicine going down, taste bad going down, but it'll make you feel better later.

00:15:59.640 They're going to have to come out and vote in numbers, and they want to repeat what happened in Virginia.

00:16:04.080 They want to take their state back.

00:16:06.580 Yeah, and what happened in Virginia is certainly a boon to voter confidence in elections and the integrity of the election.

00:16:16.560 But I'm still very disturbed by.

00:16:19.240 Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the RNC, personally told me that she had plenty of ground troops for the election of 2020, that it was under control.

00:16:31.320 And then the next thing I know is I'm putting reports from whether it's Philadelphia or Nevada or Michigan, Republican election watchers weren't even being allowed into the room, let alone providing counsel and guidance and watching over the election.

00:16:54.480 But it's outrageous.

00:16:56.480 And so when I hear, you know, I hear that they've got it under control.

00:17:00.920 It's the same thing I heard in 2012, too, from Reince Priebus.

00:17:06.240 The establishment of the Republican Party is right now, in my judgment, not particularly, particularly deserving of great confidence.

00:17:17.480 Well, you know, Lou, I think what you see happen is the ripple effect, because Donald Trump was an outsider.

00:17:26.460 Donald Trump beat governors and senators, those who had experience when he ran.

00:17:31.280 He didn't have to kiss anyone's ring to one.

00:17:34.120 But what they failed to see is that Donald Trump was able to connect with voters.

00:17:39.300 So as opposed to understanding Donald Trump's method and trying to duplicate that, they actually went after who?

00:17:49.080 Donald Trump.

00:17:49.900 They created this divide, the never Trumpers.

00:17:53.760 You had a lot of senior Republicans from Mitt Romney on down.

00:17:58.520 And so that wave went across the state.

00:18:01.320 So what do you see is the aftermath of those who feel like Donald Trump hijacked their party.

00:18:09.320 But Donald Trump, whether he hijacked the party or not, he did hijack this country in terms of connecting with voters and getting something done.

00:18:19.700 People look Donald Trump in four years.

00:18:22.100 He literally shut down the borders.

00:18:25.020 He went to world leaders and said, you know what, you're not going to take advantage of us anymore.

00:18:30.360 You're going to pay your fair share, and there's going to be free trade.

00:18:33.500 So I got to ask you, you know, that's history.

00:18:38.740 We know he's a great president.

00:18:41.340 We know he'd be a great president.

00:18:43.940 Now, the question becomes, will he run for election in 2024?

00:18:49.260 And I think that's an open question.

00:18:51.040 I don't think he's decided, but that's just my opinion.

00:18:53.940 I don't know.

00:18:54.780 I have no inside information at all.

00:18:57.460 But what I do know is that you left the Democratic Party and you moved to the Trump Republican Party.

00:19:06.460 I want to ask you before I talk to you about the Republican Party.

00:19:11.760 I want to ask, what do you think of that Democratic Party you left and Joe Biden?

00:19:16.120 And how much easier is he making your job to get elected governor of the great state of Georgia?

00:19:22.680 Well, you know, first of all, Lou, honestly, I was reared conservative, been conservative all my life, always had bipartisan support, always leaned to the right based on my upbringing.

00:19:36.420 However, I'll tell you this.

00:19:37.800 I didn't leave the Democratic Party.

00:19:39.660 The Democratic Party left me.

00:19:41.400 They left me when they started supporting social issues like children having transgender operation changes and sex changes and hormone injections and defunding the police. 0.71

00:19:53.900 Feeling that.

00:19:54.740 How about critical race theory?

00:19:56.260 Critical race theory where they're teaching racism. 0.95

00:19:58.740 It's literally teaching racism and is blaming is telling a little white boy you're superior, a little black boy you're inferior.

00:20:06.000 And by the way, to a little black boy, it says a little white boy is responsible for what happened for 400 years ago. 0.59

00:20:11.100 And I understand teaching history and we can teach history, but teaching theories and creating this division among children, basically, is just not right.

00:20:23.300 Now, the Democratic Party, Joe Biden, oh, man, he is making it easy for everybody.

00:20:31.440 Everything he's touched, he has, it has gone to, it has gone down. 0.50

00:20:35.820 He is an ineffective leader.

00:20:37.500 And you and I and I, you and I both know that he, it was a no brainer that he should not have been president, no pun intended to him.

00:20:45.920 And what you're seeing now, the same kind of campaign he ran from the basement, he's running the same kind of campaign now as president.

00:20:53.760 And he's not in charge and he's not in fact, he's out to lunch.

00:20:57.620 And as a result, the borders are being overrun.

00:21:00.260 What happened in Afghanistan, that debacle?

00:21:02.240 What is going on with our economy?

00:21:04.860 Inflation highs in 30 years.

00:21:06.600 So, yes, it's making it easy for us.

00:21:08.840 And by the way, those who said, including his own economic advisors, that we're not going to have an inflation.

00:21:15.440 We can go in and spend, spend, spend more money.

00:21:17.940 Well, even Larry Summers was coming back as a Democrat economist, if you will, and saying that you all messed up.

00:21:24.980 So that's there.

00:21:26.420 Now, how do we get here?

00:21:28.960 At the tip of the spear is Brian Kemp, because our governor in Georgia, I said before, so goes Georgia, so goes this country.

00:21:38.440 When our governor failed to campaign and push in Georgia to elect President Trump and to elect those two U.S. senators, he caved into Stacey Abrams.

00:21:48.200 He allowed our election laws to be manipulated with Stacey Abrams. 1.00

00:21:51.880 He went further than that and sat on the sideline when it came to investigating our elections.

00:21:59.160 He did not want to call for an audit.

00:22:01.520 He did not want to get people's questions answered.

00:22:04.400 People were discouraged.

00:22:06.400 They didn't come back in the runoff.

00:22:08.020 And we lost Georgia.

00:22:09.660 As a matter of fact, when we lost Georgia, Lou, we lost this country.

00:22:14.920 When we lost those two U.S. Senate seats, did we not lose this country?

00:22:17.940 It is he's an enabler of Joe Biden.

00:22:21.420 That's why this government, Governor Kemp, is in trouble.

00:22:26.540 He is not going to be reelected.

00:22:28.120 And the other thing he know and I know and Stacey Abrams and the Democratic Party know, the thing that fears the Democrats more than anything else is a Vernon Jones,

00:22:36.380 because I'm the only one that can be Stacey Abrams or any Democrat that they put in or put up or support.

00:22:43.440 Why? Because I can hold the line on the Republicans, unlike Governor Kemp, because a lot of Republicans are still not going to vote for him, even if he were to go to the general election.

00:22:52.660 Not only can I hold the line on the Republicans, but I can eat into and I'm already eating into the Democratic base,

00:22:58.580 getting those minority conservatives who knew and who know that the Democrat Democratic Party has been taking advantage of them.

00:23:07.620 But at the same time, they didn't trust Republicans.

00:23:10.260 And I know why they didn't trust Republicans, because Republicans didn't engage them, Lou.

00:23:14.040 They've been able to win without them.

00:23:15.680 But as I say all the time, Republicans can't just win like that now.

00:23:19.140 They are fresh out of white conservatives. 0.62

00:23:21.140 They're just fresh out.

00:23:22.020 They've got to grow and build the party.

00:23:24.300 And that's what President Trump did when he, his past election, he grew the party with minority votes.

00:23:30.740 And that's one of my key strengths, that I'm the only one that can win in November.

00:23:35.720 You know, you may be right about their fresh out of white conservatives.

00:23:41.580 But what I hope they drain are all of those rhinos, because the Republican Party can't stand much more of that.

00:23:52.020 What the Republican Party needs, though, is Vernon Jones.

00:23:57.200 And I want to give you an opportunity.

00:24:00.600 You've got a big organization there.

00:24:03.060 Where do people who want to support you send a little help?

00:24:07.240 They can go to jonesforgeorgia.com.

00:24:09.880 That's jonesforgeorgia.com.

00:24:11.240 We appreciate them.

00:24:12.480 You know, Georgia is on everybody's mind.

00:24:16.240 And those donors from out of state, let me tell you again, so goes Georgia.

00:24:20.120 So goes this country.

00:24:22.140 You know, governors are very powerful.

00:24:24.820 Governors are the last line of defense, if you will.

00:24:27.560 And you know this, Luke.

00:24:28.780 You know, you have a lot of Republican governors.

00:24:30.740 They want to talk like Ron DeSantis, but they walk like Mitt Romney.

00:24:37.120 Governor DeSantis is showing you how you can fight back against the federal government.

00:24:42.540 When he came in, like on his special session now, what is he doing?

00:24:45.600 He's banning CRT.

00:24:46.780 He's making sure those companies out there do not, what, fire people because they don't want to take the vaccination.

00:24:52.660 This is what a governor is doing.

00:24:54.280 As a matter of fact, the quality of life of those who live in Florida hasn't changed as much as it had in some of these other states where they caved into Biden and his plan.

00:25:05.360 And, you know, Cuomo in New York, they laugh at him in Florida because they call him the best real estate agent that Florida has ever had because the way you're in New York, you know, people have moved to Florida.

00:25:16.780 So we want to hold a line in Georgia.

00:25:19.600 And, yes, so goes Georgia, so goes this country.

00:25:23.220 So people out there, you have a vested interest.

00:25:25.620 And so please, yes, contribute.

00:25:27.140 Come to my website, jonesforgeorgia.com.

00:25:30.260 Vernon Jones, thanks for being with us today on The Great America Show.

00:25:33.800 It was great to talk with you again.

00:25:35.320 And as I think you know, I believe you're the right man to be the next governor of Georgia.

00:25:41.100 And you have some mighty powerful opposition where they come from Kemp's political organization and donors or Stacey Abrams and her big old political machine.

00:25:52.700 The folks of Georgia, though, I have confidence in and they all get this election right.

00:25:57.160 Good to have you with us.

00:25:58.920 Wish you the best of luck and God bless.

00:26:01.260 Thank you so much.

00:26:01.960 Is it over yet, Louie?

00:26:02.940 I can't believe 30 minutes go fast.

00:26:04.680 But thank you so much, my friend.

00:26:06.680 You got it.

00:26:07.620 Thanks so much, Vernon.

00:26:08.720 All right.

00:26:08.960 All the best.

00:26:09.980 We'll continue with The Great America Show in just a moment.

00:26:14.340 Radical dims and Marxist leftists are fond of declaring that elections, no matter how tainted, no matter how suspect, have consequences.

00:26:23.620 And elections certainly do have consequences.

00:26:26.580 But do you ever wonder why it's always the left reminding us of the fact?

00:26:30.860 It's how former President Obama explained away the madness of Obamacare.

00:26:35.860 It's how the Biden White House, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer explained their massive economic stimulus spending that adds trillions of dollars to the national debt.

00:26:46.760 And President Xi's head must be spinning still after his virtual summit with President Biden.

00:26:53.740 Biden assured Xi in their phone call that the United States doesn't take a position on Taiwan's sovereignty.

00:27:01.120 But then Biden announced to the press corps that Taiwan is independent.

00:27:06.180 And then he quickly tried to mitigate the damage he inflicted through his usual tortured reasoning and conflicted language.

00:27:14.060 This same president, not yet in office a year, will soon have brought 2 million illegal immigrants across our southern border with Mexico.

00:27:23.520 And in the past month, the Border Patrol set a new all-time record high for illegal immigrant apprehensions in October.

00:27:31.940 Almost 140,000.

00:27:34.780 Consequences.

00:27:35.420 This is the same president who can't get Vice President Harris to go to the border after he put her in charge of immigration and border security.

00:27:45.120 President Biden obviously hasn't tried one of his notorious mandates with the vice president, but it isn't clear by any means that it would work with the reclusive Harris.

00:27:54.300 And on the issue of mandates, President Biden told business to ignore a federal court order that would stop his vaccine mandates.

00:28:03.520 Ah, but now a federal appellate court has sided with that lower court, citing grave constitutional issues with the very idea of a mandate.

00:28:15.440 Biden's White House is mum on the matter and glum.

00:28:19.880 And the consequences of the Biden election are beginning to pile up.

00:28:23.740 His open border policies coincide with a record number of overdose deaths and the overdose epidemic in America is raging.

00:28:32.040 Overdose deaths up 28% from the previous year.

00:28:36.520 Opiates surpassed by the synthetic fentanyl that accounts for two-thirds of those opiate deaths in this country.

00:28:44.540 The Marxist left not hesitating to threaten parents in school board meetings.

00:28:48.800 And I want to give a shout out to Congressman Jim Jordan, who is demanding an accounting from the attorney general, Merrick Garland, for lying to Congress when he denied the FBI was indeed tagging parents who complained in school board meetings, tagging them as domestic threats.

00:29:09.280 Congressman Jordan demanded the Department of Justice explain those policies.

00:29:13.280 Is that any way to treat American citizens?

00:29:16.740 Well, absolutely not.

00:29:18.220 But it's just one more example of the Marxist left trying to rule through intimidation and violence, a crime that no American president would have ever permitted in previous administrations against any citizen.

00:29:32.500 But it's unclear that Biden considers us citizens at all.

00:29:35.900 He and his regime look upon us, obviously, as subjects, not citizens.

00:29:40.920 Speaking of citizenship, Victor Davis Hanson joins us today.

00:29:45.220 He has a new book out.

00:29:47.020 Now watch this clever segue.

00:29:48.760 His new book is entitled The Dying Citizen.

00:29:52.720 The subtitle is How Progressive Elites, Tribalism, and Globalization Are Destroying the Idea of America.

00:29:58.820 Victor Davis Hanson, brilliant conservative, scholar, and great American.

00:30:05.500 And it's great to have you with us, Victor, here on The Great America Show.

00:30:09.160 Thank you for having me, Lou.

00:30:11.440 Congratulations on the book, which we recommend to our audience highly, of course.

00:30:16.840 When the FBI, and this is where I'd like to start on this issue of citizenship,

00:30:21.480 when the FBI is ordered to identify parents as domestic terrorist threats for complaining at school board meetings,

00:30:29.840 isn't the American citizen concept all but dead in the eyes, at least, of the Biden administration?

00:30:36.760 I think it is.

00:30:37.920 I mean, one of the things I talked about in the book were these unelected, we call them deep state, permanent state, administrative state.

00:30:45.680 But these are people who combine judiciary, executive, and legislative powers into one person.

00:30:52.020 And we know them as Anthony Fauci or Mark Milley, James Clapper, John Brilliant.

00:30:56.960 They're head of very powerful agencies, and they routinely ignore the law.

00:31:02.600 And there's no repercussions, whether that's John Brennan and Clapper lying under oath,

00:31:07.000 or Andrew McCabe denying that he lied to a federal investigator,

00:31:11.420 or Anthony Fauci being very deceptive about the ties of U.S. government medical establishment with the Wuhan laboratory.

00:31:19.220 But in the case of the FBI, I don't know what's happened, Lou.

00:31:21.740 That's a very good point, because they're doing things that we are just, I don't know what we would call them.

00:31:29.000 I mean, they're into this performance art SWAT team, show up at Roger Stone's house, tip off CNN,

00:31:34.980 go up to James O'Keefe's house, make him come out in his underwear, humiliate him, tip off the New York Times,

00:31:42.240 all with a political theme to it.

00:31:44.900 And then we have, they're almost a retrieval or receptacle organization for the Biden embarrassments of the laptop or the diary.

00:31:54.020 I mean, Biden's daughter has a diary, it's missing, go after James O'Keefe.

00:31:57.580 I don't know if the FBI was ever charged with finding any citizen's missing diary.

00:32:03.580 And the same thing with, as we saw with the laptop, they had it under their possession.

00:32:07.460 They wouldn't really release any information until after the election.

00:32:10.860 And then you get into this idea that they'd lie.

00:32:13.880 I mean, and they've altered documents, whether it's Kevin Clinesmith that forged that FISA application,

00:32:19.900 or McCabe and Comey that applied four times with information, the dossier that they probably knew was false.

00:32:25.700 Or we had, remember Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and they were using FBI devices to talk about all of their biases and their investigation.

00:32:35.580 We had the FBI saying, you know, we don't know where these phone records are of our FBI employees that were probably embarrassing.

00:32:42.740 And we had James Comey, who 245 times said he couldn't remember under oath.

00:32:49.040 And then we had Robert Mueller, the ex-FBI director, who, it was just surreal.

00:32:54.160 He went before the House Intelligence Committee and said he had no idea what the Fusion GPS organization or the dossier were.

00:33:01.900 And those were sort of the pillars of his own investigation.

00:33:05.300 So I don't know what we're going to have to do with it, maybe move it to Kansas.

00:33:09.180 But it's been politically weaponized at all levels of its Washington hierarchy.

00:33:14.580 The FBI in particular, this is still the same organization that did not want to investigate the Clinton Foundation,

00:33:24.060 despite its role in providing opportunities and facilitating the acquisition of 20% of U.S. uranium assets.

00:33:37.100 And suddenly they found themselves the beneficiaries, the Clinton Foundation of the largesse of oligarchs and all sorts of people interested in the national security of Russia rather than the United States.

00:33:53.140 A woman who would not be prosecuted nor any of her staff for destroying computers, destroying handheld devices of all sorts, including cell smartphones. 0.99

00:34:07.060 And we know very well that all of that material that was, quote unquote, destroyed, those 33,000 emails that no one can find, are sitting on the cloud.

00:34:18.220 And it wouldn't take the most advanced mind and technology to secure those.

00:34:24.340 We are being lied to by our government, by investigative agencies, particularly the FBI, the Department of Justice, almost daily, it seems, Victor, and without recourse.

00:34:37.060 It's very ironic because one of the left's talking points is that Donald Trump and his, you know, boisterous anger somehow curtailed civil liberties, but that's never been the danger of this country.

00:34:49.500 It's always been from the soft-spoken person on the left who feels that the noble ends will justify any means necessary.

00:34:56.920 So we remember Barack Obama was the one that sicked the DOJ on the Associated Press reporters.

00:35:02.500 They went after James Rosen of Fox, and the Lois Lerner thing was interesting because denying these nonprofits' tax-exempt status was aimed at sort of taking the fuel out of the Tea Party movements right before the 2012 re-election effort on the part of Barack Obama.

00:35:22.260 And then we got on Eric Holder.

00:35:24.320 He just told, on the Fast and Furious, he just told Congress, I am not giving you any information.

00:35:30.340 And yet that was one of the souped-up complaints and impeachment of Donald Trump that he had obstructed Congress.

00:35:37.160 So I think these people are completely unaccountable, and they have such power now.

00:35:42.300 Their agencies are so huge.

00:35:44.040 Their budgets are so enormous.

00:35:45.460 I don't think anybody in their right mind would ever have believed that the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases would have some say in whether a renter has to pay rent.

00:35:58.720 And yet Fauci's edict would determine whether there would be a stay of rental payments to their landlords nationwide.

00:36:05.420 Or we never in our right mind believed that the United States government would transfer money to a third party to enhance gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, which was obviously ground zero of the infection, which our medical establishment not only denied, but really demonized anybody who suggested it.

00:36:25.260 I remember when Tom Cotton said, it looks to me like it came out of this lab.

00:36:29.300 They almost thought he was a conspiracy freak.

00:36:31.980 Well, I said point blank on the air, that in my opinion, it was engineered precisely because we had never seen, with the immunologist and virologist that I had spoken to, they said they had never seen a construction genetically of a virus of this sort.

00:36:51.880 They've never found it yet in an animal.

00:36:53.660 They've never found an animal prior to a human infection that had it.

00:36:57.840 I'm far from a virologist, but I am something of a logician.

00:37:01.260 I think that the inference has to be at least a priori, that it's then man-made if it is not made and created by nature.

00:37:14.900 But the idea that we would even investigate it, there's a common theme that is developing, Victor, that I think goes to the issue of the dying citizen.

00:37:23.840 And that is this, we hear every agency lie, whether it be the NIH, whether it be the CDC, whether it be the World Health Organization, whether it be the Chinese government, whether it be the White House under this president, and I'm sure others.

00:37:44.440 But the reality is, it's a steady diet of lies, falsehoods, misrepresentations, or someone somewhere in that massive government that you spoke of burying the truth.

00:38:01.740 The truth will still set us free, but first we have to set free the truth.

00:38:08.880 And right now, the truth is in bondage and secured in hiding somewhere.

00:38:15.480 Yeah, I think what's dangerous, I mean, we have a low opinion of politicians, and we understand they lie.

00:38:21.860 But what's very scary is when these permanent bureaucrats and functionaries not only lie, but admit they lie.

00:38:29.920 And I'm talking about James Clapper, who when he was directly asked, is the National Security Agency spying on Americans?

00:38:35.900 He said, no, under oath.

00:38:38.120 And then when caught, he said, well, I gave the, quote, least untruthful answer.

00:38:44.400 And then John Brennan lied on two occasions.

00:38:46.460 He was asked, are you spying on Senate staff or computers?

00:38:49.640 And was there any collateral deaths on our assassination drone program in Afghanistan?

00:38:55.320 He said, no, to both of them.

00:38:57.120 Then he came back and said, well, I was mistaken.

00:39:00.100 The same way Andrew McKay lied.

00:39:01.660 He was asked about, were you the one leaking information about your investigation of the Clinton Foundation to the Wall Street Journal?

00:39:10.040 And he said, no.

00:39:11.940 And he said, no.

00:39:12.740 And he said, no.

00:39:13.560 And meanwhile, he was ordering his own FBI agents to find non-existent leakers to protect himself.

00:39:20.760 And they admit it.

00:39:22.340 And to this day, neither he nor Clapper nor Brennan has ever been brought up on any perjury charges.

00:39:28.560 So they're completely exempt.

00:39:30.140 Lou, if you and I said that to an IRS agent, we'd be in jail.

00:39:34.140 Yeah.

00:39:35.320 It's the idea that citizens, there was a time that being an American citizen meant that you could rely on your government, at least in idealized America.

00:39:46.040 You could rely on your government to protect you if you were in trouble in a foreign country, in a remote village somewhere.

00:39:58.540 You could, you would expect the government to help you in one form or the other.

00:40:04.080 We now are watching our citizens be left and our allies be left in Kabul at the hands of, at the mercy of the Taliban, even as we have a president who lied to us and told us he was getting all of them out and that no one would be left behind. 0.91

00:40:23.800 And the national media doesn't reference the lie.

00:40:28.400 It doesn't reference even that incident.

00:40:30.620 It has faded into a distant historical event rather than current events under this president.

00:40:40.100 Yeah, I was really worried very early in the Trump administration, the Shorenstein Center, a very liberal group of media, supposed watchdogs.

00:40:47.840 You know them better than I do, Lou, and they came out with a stunning report that the major networks were reporting 93% in a negative fashion of Trump news.

00:40:57.840 And I thought this is not going to end well when we don't have a media anymore.

00:41:02.980 It doesn't exist because it's going to give license to all these left-wing people to say and do anything they want with no repercussions.

00:41:10.040 And it's not just when they're in power, but as well as when they're out of power.

00:41:14.060 And there's been no apologies about the entire Russian hoax, none at all. 0.94

00:41:18.940 There's been no apologies about the Ukrainian hoax, none at all. 0.98

00:41:23.440 And I think John Durham's going to show there's going to be no apologies from the Clinton campaign,

00:41:29.080 which increasingly seems, if we're going to follow the money trail back through all of these Russian sources to people who work for Fusion GPS,

00:41:38.740 who then in turn worked for Perkins Coie or were associated with, who in turn worked for the DNC,

00:41:44.420 we're going to end up with a close circle around Hillary Clinton, including maybe the National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan. 0.73

00:41:52.020 And yet, we've known that for a long time, but no apologies.

00:41:55.460 So, as I talk in the book, it's very dangerous.

00:42:00.480 And I list all the things that citizenship in answer to your query used to mean.

00:42:06.200 It used to mean that you had exclusive service in the U.S. military.

00:42:10.620 You alone could vote.

00:42:12.400 You alone could hold office.

00:42:14.440 You alone could receive federal entitlements.

00:42:17.800 And you alone could go back and forth across your border at your pleasure.

00:42:22.940 But I can't think of any of those that exist anymore to distinguish a citizen from a resident,

00:42:28.820 with a minor exception, maybe, that only citizens can hold office,

00:42:33.220 because they're voting in local school board elections in a number of states, as illegal aliens are. 0.97

00:42:38.840 And so, I think there's a move now that have people who are not citizens run for office.

00:42:43.040 The old taboo that if you were not a U.S. citizen, you could not be engaged in a campaign has been dropped.

00:42:48.160 And people can come across the border without a passport at will.

00:42:50.880 If I tried to go into Mexico and I would stop either way coming back or going in without a passport,

00:42:58.500 I would be in big trouble.

00:42:59.700 I've seen people at SFO and LAX airports who came in and they lost their passport on the plane

00:43:05.440 or they didn't have it or something happened, and they were taken into a room immediately

00:43:09.900 and not admitted entry until they could prove their identification.

00:43:13.800 That's not true for residents.

00:43:16.360 So, yeah.

00:43:17.720 It's tough times, to say the very least.

00:43:21.360 And the left is ruling by intimidation and violence, threatening, as they will, to burn down cities,

00:43:29.500 whether it's Portland, Oregon, and Antifa, and Black Lives Matter,

00:43:32.840 they're attacking federal courthouses without consequence, without prosecution.

00:43:37.120 A handful will be arrested, but that's more show than actual law enforcement.

00:43:44.560 And then there is no prosecution whatsoever, whether it is there, whether it's in Kenosha, Wisconsin,

00:43:51.500 or Minneapolis, we have seen cities aflame and no idea whatsoever that there would be justice

00:44:02.260 and people held accountable for their crimes and obvious crimes with video evidence of those crimes.

00:44:09.380 Instead, there is a rationalization for what is, to me at least, the dissolution of law and order

00:44:17.060 in this country, to an extent that is now, I really think, perilous and an existential threat,

00:44:23.520 certainly to the America that is our ideal and conforms to our heritage.

00:44:29.480 Yeah, I would agree.

00:44:30.660 I think they've been very effective in creating deterrence by that.

00:44:33.880 I mean, once we saw 120 days of arson, looting, violence in the streets,

00:44:39.920 and there were 14,000 arrested by police, but the vast majority were turned loose by district attorneys.

00:44:47.060 And after we had 28 people killed and 1,000 police officers injured and there were no consequences,

00:44:53.260 they understood that that threat of violence could be used almost at every crisis.

00:44:59.340 And so they scanned the horizon and they looked for things like earlier the Covington kids

00:45:05.180 or the Michael Brown Ferguson, and now they've fixated on Kyle Rittenhouse and trial,

00:45:12.040 which he should never have gone to trial.

00:45:13.440 Anybody who looks at the tapes or reads the transcripts can see that he was being chased

00:45:18.040 by a mob, two of whom were convicted felons.

00:45:20.720 Another person had an arrest record.

00:45:23.060 But the subtext of this whole trial was, we're going to try people that we feel resist us,

00:45:31.640 and we are going to convict them.

00:45:33.320 And if we don't convict them, we're going to cause so much mayhem that you'll never,

00:45:38.860 ever be on a jury, or you'll never, ever take a case, or you'll never, ever write a column

00:45:44.460 in support of anything that we're against.

00:45:47.060 And I think they've been very effective.

00:45:49.240 They're outside the courthouse as we speak, and they're trying to gin up this deterrence idea

00:45:54.380 that, hey, you people inside, if you were to acquit him, we know where you live.

00:45:59.440 And they've said that.

00:46:00.720 Absolutely.

00:46:01.280 And they threatened the judge in the case.

00:46:04.400 And they mean to intimidate the Supreme Court, for crying out loud.

00:46:10.420 It isn't just a state court in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

00:46:15.060 No, they did.

00:46:15.700 They did.

00:46:16.080 You're absolutely right.

00:46:16.900 Chuck Schumer went outside the doors of the Supreme Court and said,

00:46:19.780 are you listening, Kavanaugh?

00:46:21.360 Are you listening, Gorsuch?

00:46:22.860 We're going to come after you if you overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:46:26.860 He said that, and there was a huge group outside.

00:46:30.220 Nobody said a word.

00:46:31.660 And we saw what they did to Arizona Senator Sinema.

00:46:35.080 They followed her into a restroom. 0.99

00:46:36.500 They followed her on a flight.

00:46:38.960 There was nothing wrong with that.

00:46:41.600 According to the law, no one was arrested for disrupting a federal flight.

00:46:45.260 If I went over to a passenger, walked down the aisle, and I started yelling at a passenger,

00:46:49.660 I would be in big trouble.

00:46:50.840 If I followed a U.S. senator in the men's room and got right next to him, I would be in big trouble.

00:46:55.480 And so the citizen knows that the laws are not equally applied anymore, and they're not equally

00:47:01.600 applied in a predictable, political, biased, partisan fashion.

00:47:06.400 And what's scary about it is it's justified by we are your moral superiors. 1.00

00:47:10.960 You guys are deplorables, irredeemables, dregs, chumps, clingers, racist, homophobes. 0.99

00:47:17.460 And so we should get some laxity and leeway in a way that you won't. 1.00

00:47:21.820 And I think everybody's getting very angry about that, and I don't want to be too pessimistic

00:47:26.560 because I think we're on the cusp of one of the biggest political corrections in history

00:47:32.480 in the 2022 midterms.

00:47:34.720 If you look at the polls, I've never seen dismal numbers.

00:47:37.960 Joe Biden is wrecking a generation of Democratic candidates and this agenda.

00:47:42.800 Yeah, and unfortunately, he is, in my judgment, wrecking America at the same time.

00:47:48.640 No, he is.

00:47:49.860 I don't know what it's going to take, Victor, to recover from bringing in these millions

00:47:54.880 of illegal immigrants.

00:47:57.560 What will it take to recover from a government that does not hold accountable China and the 0.97

00:48:04.580 Communist Chinese Party for releasing a deadly virus on the world with knowing full well what 1.00

00:48:14.060 they were doing?

00:48:15.060 They were morally carrying out an act of murder against hundreds of thousands of people across

00:48:23.780 the world, indeed, millions.

00:48:26.220 We are a nation that we hide from truth even when we're not being lied to.

00:48:32.580 It is a frightening moment in history when we cannot discern truth because corporate America,

00:48:41.000 think about this, AT&T owns CNN.

00:48:45.120 CNN continues to misrepresent what is happening in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse almost daily

00:48:52.840 with impunity.

00:48:55.000 They lied along with MSNBC, whose owner is Comcast, one of the biggest companies in the country,

00:49:03.340 telecommunications companies.

00:49:04.880 And corporate America is participating in this model of deceit and lies and misrepresentation

00:49:14.160 and hope that the public's short attention span will expire before the next news cycle.

00:49:22.200 It's truly deeply troubling, and I don't see effective answers anytime soon.

00:49:29.120 I'm worried about it for two reasons.

00:49:33.220 One, they've made a business decision that conservatives don't boycott, they don't cancel,

00:49:39.500 they don't organize to not buy particular products in the way the left does.

00:49:45.080 So there's no punitive worry at all when they become sole partisan.

00:49:49.560 They're very afraid of the trans community, the gay community, the black community, the Latino 0.78

00:49:54.300 community. 0.88

00:49:54.600 They make the necessary adjustment.

00:49:55.800 The other thing is, especially in terms of Hollywood and professional sports, it's such

00:50:02.300 a large percentage of their income now comes from China and China-affiliated companies that

00:50:09.180 they've made a business decision that they can be very critical of the United States.

00:50:13.860 There will be no downside from the United States, but it will enhance their stature of

00:50:17.620 the Chinese.

00:50:18.280 I'm thinking of people like LeBron James with multi, multi-million dollar contracts, Steve

00:50:24.140 Kerr, people like that that won't say a word about the Chinese, or Hollywood will obey Chinese 0.79

00:50:29.380 preferences, even to the degree of putting darker actor, eliminating darker actors and

00:50:35.280 putting lighter skin actors to satisfy the Chinese market.

00:50:39.260 So it's really scary how insidious these corporate entities are in respecting the bottom line.

00:50:46.520 And the bottom line right now is they have little to fear from conservatives, and they've got a

00:50:50.780 lot to fear from the American left and the Chinese, so I think that explains a lot of their bizarre 1.00

00:50:55.820 behavior.

00:50:57.160 I don't think that most Americans know that the Boston Celtics aren't even permitted in

00:51:03.400 China because of the outspokenness of one of their players, the Houston Rockets, and

00:51:08.560 its long-ago general manager who dared speak up against the human rights atrocities in China.

00:51:15.460 There's a price being paid even now for the NBA, which will have all sorts of let's end

00:51:21.740 racism mottos put forward by their athletes, but those athletes will not say a word, with

00:51:29.460 a few exceptions, a handful of exceptions, will not say a word about what is happening in

00:51:34.960 China.

00:51:35.860 We're in a fearsome place in our history, and corporate America bears great responsibility

00:51:42.680 responsibility for where we are at this particular point, and they will have some considerable

00:51:49.680 influence over whether or not we emerge from this and survive at all.

00:51:54.680 Victor Davis Hanson, it is always instructive and absolutely delightful to talk with you.

00:52:00.780 I hope you'll come back soon.

00:52:03.300 Thanks for being with us on this edition of The Great America Show.

00:52:08.340 Thank you, Luke, for having me.

00:52:09.660 Join us again tomorrow for The Great America Podcast.

00:52:13.720 Stay in the fight.

00:52:14.700 Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

The Great America Show - November 23, 2021

RINOS MAKE BIDEN AND OTHER MESSES POSSIBLE

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