Vernon Jones is a Great American, a Trump populist, a conservative candidate running for Governor of Georgia, Vernon Jones joins the Great American Show with Lou Dobbs to talk about his campaign and the challenges facing him in the upcoming primary election.
00:05:03.060Why in the world does the Republican Party not want to have those answers?
00:05:09.120You know, it doesn't, frankly, at this point, it's not going to change a lot to find out that there was a lot of fraud that did change the outcome.
00:05:18.940There's nothing anybody can really do about it.
00:05:20.920But what would be nice is to know what happened and what were the irregularities and what were the motivations for some of the things that happened,
00:05:31.580whether it be executive branches of state government taking over for the legislature where the power to set elections and election regulations resides.
00:05:45.220That's true across the entire country.
00:05:47.900But we all have, most of us, I would say, have questions.
00:05:52.280And all we're asking for is an honest investigation.
00:05:55.000And that seems to be the last thing, the last thing that the Republican Party is interested in delivering.
00:06:03.940And I'm talking about the state Republican Party.
00:06:06.600Well, if you look at the leadership of the Georgia Republican Party, the governor, Governor Kemp is at odds with President Trump.
00:06:15.040And Governor Kemp, the Secretary of State and the Attorney General, they all want to see President Trump go away.
00:06:20.380And they know that President Trump is so popular in Georgia.
00:06:26.220But again, President Trump was saying well in advance, when you look at drop-off boxes and that type of election apparatus,
00:06:35.780that it would create an environment for election fraud.
00:06:38.540If you remember in Georgia, the election drop-off boxes were not written into our state statute prior to 2020.
00:06:44.860And what you saw happen is that people felt as though those drop-off boxes were open for voting irregularities.
00:06:55.220They saw what happened on the video with the voting counting, if you will, for the largest precinct in the state of Georgia, that video State Farm Arena.
00:07:04.920You saw a lot of things that people felt uncomfortable with.
00:07:08.020And they just wanted to get some questions answered.
00:07:10.440And the governor, by wanting to move past 2020, he refused to call a special session for an investigation of what happened.
00:07:18.980And then he refused to call for an audit, a forensic audit, so people can get to the bottom line and get their questions answered.
00:07:26.620And so the legislature has been under the thumb of the governor, and the governor's holding them hostage.
00:07:32.480So those within the Republican Party who controlled both houses and the governor's office, they're all following the lead of the governor, including the attorney general who just came out recently.
00:07:43.480He has his own race, but isn't it interesting how he came out and endorsed the governor?
00:07:51.660You know, Georgia's getting, as they say, right uptown.
00:07:56.100They got some fancy maneuvers going on.
00:07:58.920So let me ask you about one of the other maneuvers, which I think is funny, and that's Georgia's Raffensperger calling for bipartisan election reform.
00:08:09.420And he was the fellow in charge of the election.
00:08:51.340Was the proper signatures and the date and timestamps on those ballots?
00:08:55.340And then, you know, again, the Rathensburg and others came up with this drop off box idea that they took from Stacey Abrams and they set their own rules.
00:09:04.760But one of the things in there that they required was a video camera.
00:09:09.200Now, isn't it interesting that not a single time has this secretary of state or governor and the others call for a review of those video cameras?
00:09:18.520Because those video cameras will show you instantly if there have been individuals coming there with multiple ballots because by their own rules, you can only bring your own ballot unless you're a family member, live in the household.
00:09:31.980And you can not be going to multiple drop off boxes and dropping ballots off, not if you just dropping off one ballot.
00:09:39.820So he has not even examined the videos.
00:09:42.580And, Lou, I can tell you there's a dead cat on the end of that line.
00:09:46.820And real soon, you're going to see something.
00:09:55.280And it's going to all go back to the drop off boxes by, interestingly enough, it was President Trump that talked about the harvesting of ballots.
00:10:04.520You're going to see where multiple ballots were harvested and taken to drop off boxes.
00:10:11.700And you're going to see in here where it goes back to who was in charge or who was responsible for that type of activity.
00:10:21.740Well, we're looking forward to learning more about the elections, whether they be in the state of Georgia or whatever state where there's still some questions.
00:10:32.560You know, I want to get your sense of this.
00:10:35.100I don't know whether or not the outcome of the election would be changed if anything had been different.
00:10:42.880But I do know there are instances of fraud.
00:10:45.200There were absolutely illegal changes in state election regulations and the way in which those elections were handled in a half, at least a half dozen states.
00:11:00.700What I don't know is if, you know, it would change the outcome.
00:11:05.060What is your sense of whether there were enough irregularities, anomalies, if you will, or outright fraud of various kinds?
00:11:15.200Do you think that the election outcome would have been changed?
00:11:20.860The United States Constitution provides for the legislature and the legislature only to make and change and adopt election laws.
00:11:29.680When drop-off boxes were used in 2020, they were never written into law by the legislature and even designated as a precinct.
00:11:41.280Now, if you saw all those coverings, all the coverage, they were all saying from the media, liberal media, that drop-off boxes favor the Democrats.
00:11:50.600Drop-off boxes favor Joe Biden here in Georgia.
00:11:53.200If that's the case then, if someone had litigated and asked the judge at the time, right after the 2020 election, before the 2021 election, ask the judge for declaratory judgment on whether or not the executive branch had the authority to do what the legislature has to do and must do, and that is make election laws.
00:12:16.880If they were to do a declaratory judgment, ask for declaratory judgment, judge, are these drop-off boxes legal?
00:12:23.260If he had ruled, which many of us would have clearly thought, if he had ruled that they were illegal, then all of those ballots would be taken out, considered invalid.
00:12:37.300Well, there were thousands and thousands of ballots, drop-off box ballots.
00:12:43.920And matter of fact, in Fulton and DeKalb County, the Democratic counties, the heavily populated counties, they had the most of them out there.
00:13:03.820After the 2020 election, if they had done that and they would discover that those ballots were invalid because of the drop-off boxes, it could have had an effect on the 2021 election.
00:13:13.320And we wouldn't have been using drop-off boxes at all.
00:13:15.940But the legislature did something that was interesting.
00:13:18.880They came back in 2021 after the 2021 election, wrote into the law of the drop-off boxes.
00:13:25.440Stacey Abrams come forward with another lawsuit saying that they didn't put enough drop-off boxes there.
00:13:30.880And ironically, the defense for the attorney general was, wait a minute, only the legislature determined drop-off boxes, whether it was one drop-off box or 21 drop-off boxes.
00:13:40.240They're the only ones that could determine election laws.
00:13:45.500Where were you, Mr. Attorney General, when they started to drop-off boxes in 2020?
00:13:51.300You know, I laugh because once you cross the boundaries of the absurd, there's no choice but to laugh.
00:13:57.360It's a historical election, a historic election, and it is one that we're going to be talking about, I'm sure, for years and years.
00:14:09.260By the way, the left in this country doesn't want us talking about it.
00:14:13.840They don't want any questions about it.
00:14:15.600They don't want to – they would just assume that everybody forget it ever happened, but that won't be happening because the Republican Party has got a commitment to making certain that it won't be repeated.
00:14:38.540The flashlight has been shunned on those cockroaches, and they're running towards the cracks, meaning there's a lot more eyes on the 2022 election.
00:14:49.920In the Republican Party and certainly in the base, there is a significant amount of distrust in Dominion, and many of them are feeling, are we going to have a repeat of 2020?
00:15:06.500They don't trust Dominion, and I can understand why.
00:15:10.240Here's a company that came in, $120 million contract for 10 years, first time we've had them to use for our statewide elections, and you would think just in business period, when you put in a new system, don't you want to do an audit to see if it's working properly?
00:15:30.740And so, again, it goes back to what I was saying.
00:15:34.120People have so many questions and don't feel like it's being addressed or their questions not getting answered.
00:15:41.380It's not that they don't trust on one hand, but they just want to verify.
00:15:45.260But if you don't want to verify, that increases the distrust.
00:15:49.280So, yeah, there's concern in 2022, but I think people believe, including the base, it's like medicine going down, taste bad going down, but it'll make you feel better later.
00:15:59.640They're going to have to come out and vote in numbers, and they want to repeat what happened in Virginia.
00:16:19.240Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the RNC, personally told me that she had plenty of ground troops for the election of 2020, that it was under control.
00:16:31.320And then the next thing I know is I'm putting reports from whether it's Philadelphia or Nevada or Michigan, Republican election watchers weren't even being allowed into the room, let alone providing counsel and guidance and watching over the election.
00:17:49.900They created this divide, the never Trumpers.
00:17:53.760You had a lot of senior Republicans from Mitt Romney on down.
00:17:58.520And so that wave went across the state.
00:18:01.320So what do you see is the aftermath of those who feel like Donald Trump hijacked their party.
00:18:09.320But Donald Trump, whether he hijacked the party or not, he did hijack this country in terms of connecting with voters and getting something done.
00:18:19.700People look Donald Trump in four years.
00:18:57.460But what I do know is that you left the Democratic Party and you moved to the Trump Republican Party.
00:19:06.460I want to ask you before I talk to you about the Republican Party.
00:19:11.760I want to ask, what do you think of that Democratic Party you left and Joe Biden?
00:19:16.120And how much easier is he making your job to get elected governor of the great state of Georgia?
00:19:22.680Well, you know, first of all, Lou, honestly, I was reared conservative, been conservative all my life, always had bipartisan support, always leaned to the right based on my upbringing.
00:19:41.400They left me when they started supporting social issues like children having transgender operation changes and sex changes and hormone injections and defunding the police.
00:19:56.260Critical race theory where they're teaching racism.
00:19:58.740It's literally teaching racism and is blaming is telling a little white boy you're superior, a little black boy you're inferior.
00:20:06.000And by the way, to a little black boy, it says a little white boy is responsible for what happened for 400 years ago.
00:20:11.100And I understand teaching history and we can teach history, but teaching theories and creating this division among children, basically, is just not right.
00:20:23.300Now, the Democratic Party, Joe Biden, oh, man, he is making it easy for everybody.
00:20:31.440Everything he's touched, he has, it has gone to, it has gone down.
00:21:28.960At the tip of the spear is Brian Kemp, because our governor in Georgia, I said before, so goes Georgia, so goes this country.
00:21:38.440When our governor failed to campaign and push in Georgia to elect President Trump and to elect those two U.S. senators, he caved into Stacey Abrams.
00:21:48.200He allowed our election laws to be manipulated with Stacey Abrams.
00:21:51.880He went further than that and sat on the sideline when it came to investigating our elections.
00:22:28.120And the other thing he know and I know and Stacey Abrams and the Democratic Party know, the thing that fears the Democrats more than anything else is a Vernon Jones,
00:22:36.380because I'm the only one that can be Stacey Abrams or any Democrat that they put in or put up or support.
00:22:43.440Why? Because I can hold the line on the Republicans, unlike Governor Kemp, because a lot of Republicans are still not going to vote for him, even if he were to go to the general election.
00:22:52.660Not only can I hold the line on the Republicans, but I can eat into and I'm already eating into the Democratic base,
00:22:58.580getting those minority conservatives who knew and who know that the Democrat Democratic Party has been taking advantage of them.
00:23:07.620But at the same time, they didn't trust Republicans.
00:23:10.260And I know why they didn't trust Republicans, because Republicans didn't engage them, Lou.
00:23:14.040They've been able to win without them.
00:23:15.680But as I say all the time, Republicans can't just win like that now.
00:23:19.140They are fresh out of white conservatives.
00:24:54.280As a matter of fact, the quality of life of those who live in Florida hasn't changed as much as it had in some of these other states where they caved into Biden and his plan.
00:25:05.360And, you know, Cuomo in New York, they laugh at him in Florida because they call him the best real estate agent that Florida has ever had because the way you're in New York, you know, people have moved to Florida.
00:25:35.320And as I think you know, I believe you're the right man to be the next governor of Georgia.
00:25:41.100And you have some mighty powerful opposition where they come from Kemp's political organization and donors or Stacey Abrams and her big old political machine.
00:25:52.700The folks of Georgia, though, I have confidence in and they all get this election right.
00:26:09.980We'll continue with The Great America Show in just a moment.
00:26:14.340Radical dims and Marxist leftists are fond of declaring that elections, no matter how tainted, no matter how suspect, have consequences.
00:26:23.620And elections certainly do have consequences.
00:26:26.580But do you ever wonder why it's always the left reminding us of the fact?
00:26:30.860It's how former President Obama explained away the madness of Obamacare.
00:26:35.860It's how the Biden White House, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer explained their massive economic stimulus spending that adds trillions of dollars to the national debt.
00:26:46.760And President Xi's head must be spinning still after his virtual summit with President Biden.
00:26:53.740Biden assured Xi in their phone call that the United States doesn't take a position on Taiwan's sovereignty.
00:27:01.120But then Biden announced to the press corps that Taiwan is independent.
00:27:06.180And then he quickly tried to mitigate the damage he inflicted through his usual tortured reasoning and conflicted language.
00:27:14.060This same president, not yet in office a year, will soon have brought 2 million illegal immigrants across our southern border with Mexico.
00:27:23.520And in the past month, the Border Patrol set a new all-time record high for illegal immigrant apprehensions in October.
00:27:35.420This is the same president who can't get Vice President Harris to go to the border after he put her in charge of immigration and border security.
00:27:45.120President Biden obviously hasn't tried one of his notorious mandates with the vice president, but it isn't clear by any means that it would work with the reclusive Harris.
00:27:54.300And on the issue of mandates, President Biden told business to ignore a federal court order that would stop his vaccine mandates.
00:28:03.520Ah, but now a federal appellate court has sided with that lower court, citing grave constitutional issues with the very idea of a mandate.
00:28:15.440Biden's White House is mum on the matter and glum.
00:28:19.880And the consequences of the Biden election are beginning to pile up.
00:28:23.740His open border policies coincide with a record number of overdose deaths and the overdose epidemic in America is raging.
00:28:32.040Overdose deaths up 28% from the previous year.
00:28:36.520Opiates surpassed by the synthetic fentanyl that accounts for two-thirds of those opiate deaths in this country.
00:28:44.540The Marxist left not hesitating to threaten parents in school board meetings.
00:28:48.800And I want to give a shout out to Congressman Jim Jordan, who is demanding an accounting from the attorney general, Merrick Garland, for lying to Congress when he denied the FBI was indeed tagging parents who complained in school board meetings, tagging them as domestic threats.
00:29:09.280Congressman Jordan demanded the Department of Justice explain those policies.
00:29:13.280Is that any way to treat American citizens?
00:29:18.220But it's just one more example of the Marxist left trying to rule through intimidation and violence, a crime that no American president would have ever permitted in previous administrations against any citizen.
00:29:32.500But it's unclear that Biden considers us citizens at all.
00:29:35.900He and his regime look upon us, obviously, as subjects, not citizens.
00:29:40.920Speaking of citizenship, Victor Davis Hanson joins us today.
00:31:44.900And then we have, they're almost a retrieval or receptacle organization for the Biden embarrassments of the laptop or the diary.
00:31:54.020I mean, Biden's daughter has a diary, it's missing, go after James O'Keefe.
00:31:57.580I don't know if the FBI was ever charged with finding any citizen's missing diary.
00:32:03.580And the same thing with, as we saw with the laptop, they had it under their possession.
00:32:07.460They wouldn't really release any information until after the election.
00:32:10.860And then you get into this idea that they'd lie.
00:32:13.880I mean, and they've altered documents, whether it's Kevin Clinesmith that forged that FISA application,
00:32:19.900or McCabe and Comey that applied four times with information, the dossier that they probably knew was false.
00:32:25.700Or we had, remember Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and they were using FBI devices to talk about all of their biases and their investigation.
00:32:35.580We had the FBI saying, you know, we don't know where these phone records are of our FBI employees that were probably embarrassing.
00:32:42.740And we had James Comey, who 245 times said he couldn't remember under oath.
00:32:49.040And then we had Robert Mueller, the ex-FBI director, who, it was just surreal.
00:32:54.160He went before the House Intelligence Committee and said he had no idea what the Fusion GPS organization or the dossier were.
00:33:01.900And those were sort of the pillars of his own investigation.
00:33:05.300So I don't know what we're going to have to do with it, maybe move it to Kansas.
00:33:09.180But it's been politically weaponized at all levels of its Washington hierarchy.
00:33:14.580The FBI in particular, this is still the same organization that did not want to investigate the Clinton Foundation,
00:33:24.060despite its role in providing opportunities and facilitating the acquisition of 20% of U.S. uranium assets.
00:33:37.100And suddenly they found themselves the beneficiaries, the Clinton Foundation of the largesse of oligarchs and all sorts of people interested in the national security of Russia rather than the United States.
00:33:53.140A woman who would not be prosecuted nor any of her staff for destroying computers, destroying handheld devices of all sorts, including cell smartphones.
00:34:07.060And we know very well that all of that material that was, quote unquote, destroyed, those 33,000 emails that no one can find, are sitting on the cloud.
00:34:18.220And it wouldn't take the most advanced mind and technology to secure those.
00:34:24.340We are being lied to by our government, by investigative agencies, particularly the FBI, the Department of Justice, almost daily, it seems, Victor, and without recourse.
00:34:37.060It's very ironic because one of the left's talking points is that Donald Trump and his, you know, boisterous anger somehow curtailed civil liberties, but that's never been the danger of this country.
00:34:49.500It's always been from the soft-spoken person on the left who feels that the noble ends will justify any means necessary.
00:34:56.920So we remember Barack Obama was the one that sicked the DOJ on the Associated Press reporters.
00:35:02.500They went after James Rosen of Fox, and the Lois Lerner thing was interesting because denying these nonprofits' tax-exempt status was aimed at sort of taking the fuel out of the Tea Party movements right before the 2012 re-election effort on the part of Barack Obama.
00:35:45.460I don't think anybody in their right mind would ever have believed that the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases would have some say in whether a renter has to pay rent.
00:35:58.720And yet Fauci's edict would determine whether there would be a stay of rental payments to their landlords nationwide.
00:36:05.420Or we never in our right mind believed that the United States government would transfer money to a third party to enhance gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, which was obviously ground zero of the infection, which our medical establishment not only denied, but really demonized anybody who suggested it.
00:36:25.260I remember when Tom Cotton said, it looks to me like it came out of this lab.
00:36:29.300They almost thought he was a conspiracy freak.
00:36:31.980Well, I said point blank on the air, that in my opinion, it was engineered precisely because we had never seen, with the immunologist and virologist that I had spoken to, they said they had never seen a construction genetically of a virus of this sort.
00:36:51.880They've never found it yet in an animal.
00:36:53.660They've never found an animal prior to a human infection that had it.
00:36:57.840I'm far from a virologist, but I am something of a logician.
00:37:01.260I think that the inference has to be at least a priori, that it's then man-made if it is not made and created by nature.
00:37:14.900But the idea that we would even investigate it, there's a common theme that is developing, Victor, that I think goes to the issue of the dying citizen.
00:37:23.840And that is this, we hear every agency lie, whether it be the NIH, whether it be the CDC, whether it be the World Health Organization, whether it be the Chinese government, whether it be the White House under this president, and I'm sure others.
00:37:44.440But the reality is, it's a steady diet of lies, falsehoods, misrepresentations, or someone somewhere in that massive government that you spoke of burying the truth.
00:38:01.740The truth will still set us free, but first we have to set free the truth.
00:38:08.880And right now, the truth is in bondage and secured in hiding somewhere.
00:38:15.480Yeah, I think what's dangerous, I mean, we have a low opinion of politicians, and we understand they lie.
00:38:21.860But what's very scary is when these permanent bureaucrats and functionaries not only lie, but admit they lie.
00:38:29.920And I'm talking about James Clapper, who when he was directly asked, is the National Security Agency spying on Americans?
00:39:35.320It's the idea that citizens, there was a time that being an American citizen meant that you could rely on your government, at least in idealized America.
00:39:46.040You could rely on your government to protect you if you were in trouble in a foreign country, in a remote village somewhere.
00:39:58.540You could, you would expect the government to help you in one form or the other.
00:40:04.080We now are watching our citizens be left and our allies be left in Kabul at the hands of, at the mercy of the Taliban, even as we have a president who lied to us and told us he was getting all of them out and that no one would be left behind.
00:40:23.800And the national media doesn't reference the lie.
00:40:28.400It doesn't reference even that incident.
00:40:30.620It has faded into a distant historical event rather than current events under this president.
00:40:40.100Yeah, I was really worried very early in the Trump administration, the Shorenstein Center, a very liberal group of media, supposed watchdogs.
00:40:47.840You know them better than I do, Lou, and they came out with a stunning report that the major networks were reporting 93% in a negative fashion of Trump news.
00:40:57.840And I thought this is not going to end well when we don't have a media anymore.
00:41:02.980It doesn't exist because it's going to give license to all these left-wing people to say and do anything they want with no repercussions.
00:41:10.040And it's not just when they're in power, but as well as when they're out of power.
00:41:14.060And there's been no apologies about the entire Russian hoax, none at all.
00:41:18.940There's been no apologies about the Ukrainian hoax, none at all.
00:41:23.440And I think John Durham's going to show there's going to be no apologies from the Clinton campaign,
00:41:29.080which increasingly seems, if we're going to follow the money trail back through all of these Russian sources to people who work for Fusion GPS,
00:41:38.740who then in turn worked for Perkins Coie or were associated with, who in turn worked for the DNC,
00:41:44.420we're going to end up with a close circle around Hillary Clinton, including maybe the National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan.
00:41:52.020And yet, we've known that for a long time, but no apologies.
00:41:55.460So, as I talk in the book, it's very dangerous.
00:42:00.480And I list all the things that citizenship in answer to your query used to mean.
00:42:06.200It used to mean that you had exclusive service in the U.S. military.