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00:00:38.180 Hello, everybody.

00:00:39.500 I'm Lou Dobbs.

00:00:40.400 Thanks for being with us on The Great America Show.

00:00:43.200 The House Oversight Committee moving ahead on the Biden impeachment inquiry this week.

00:00:47.900 Former Biden family associate Tony Bobulinski on Capitol Hill testifying before the House

00:00:54.080 Oversight Committee.

00:00:55.580 Bobulinski, the first Hunter Biden associate to come out before the 2020 election to warn

00:01:01.540 the American people about the influence peddling scheme the Biden crime family ran.

00:01:07.520 Hunter Biden himself was, of course, invited to join the panel of witness, but was too shy

00:01:12.760 to show up after having begged for a public hearing.

00:01:16.580 Bobulinski was sure to note that before his opening statement.

00:01:20.580 Should I allow Hunter to give his opening statement first?

00:01:23.020 Well, it doesn't appear Mr. Biden showed up for his public hearing, so we'll recognize

00:01:27.240 you, Mr. Bobulinski.

00:01:28.320 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

00:01:30.060 Bobulinski then proceeded with his opening statement taking no prisoners.

00:01:34.380 He looked Congressman Jamie Raskin and Dan Goldman straight in the face and called them out for

00:01:39.320 what they are, for their lies and their deceit that they've spewed upon the American people

00:01:44.420 for the past four years.

00:01:46.480 Raskin nearly had a meltdown when Tony Bobulinski called him what he is.

00:01:50.760 Take a listen to Raskin begging Chairman Comer to make Bobulinski stop telling the truth.

00:01:57.860 Yet the same people preaching this mantra know better.

00:02:00.980 They continue to lie directly to the American people without hesitation and remorse.

00:02:06.700 Rep.

00:02:06.940 Dan Goldman and Jamie Raskin, both lawyers, and Mr. Goldman, a former prosecutor with the

00:02:12.460 SDNY from New York, will continue to lie today in this hearing and then go straight to the

00:02:17.040 media to tell more lies.

00:02:19.260 Hunter Biden's defense attorney, Abbey Lowell, weaponized his letters to Congress to try to

00:02:23.660 smear my name and mistake the cold hard facts in an attempt to save his powerfully connected

00:02:30.460 client and his father.

00:02:32.420 I challenge Mr. Lowell to make those claims on national television so he can be held accountable

00:02:37.300 for his lies.

00:02:38.100 Prior to my successful business career, I was an officer in the United States Navy.

00:02:43.100 At Navy's elite naval nuclear power training command, I later served as the command's chief

00:02:49.080 technology officer.

00:02:50.360 I apologize for the disruption from the...

00:02:53.100 Am I supposed to say it's my time, Mr. Raskin?

00:02:56.300 Yeah.

00:02:57.060 But please, Mr. Boblitsky, please come to order.

00:03:02.840 Mr. Boblitsky, Mr. Boblitsky, please proceed.

00:03:05.300 Please proceed.

00:03:06.100 I apologize for the disruption from the minority.

00:03:08.320 Okay.

00:03:09.160 Well, Mr. Chairman, they saved his time, but he called members of this committee liars,

00:03:13.700 and I just want to know whether the order and decorum requirements of House Rule 11 apply

00:03:18.140 to witnesses appearing before the committee.

00:03:22.780 Does it apply or does it not?

00:03:24.440 Should I address?

00:03:26.280 I don't...

00:03:27.200 There's hard...

00:03:27.860 There's decorum from the members.

00:03:29.640 We've asked for that.

00:03:30.520 There's no language that I'm aware of pertaining to a witness.

00:03:33.380 Thank you.

00:03:33.900 So, don't make sure we didn't waste any of his time on the opening statement.

00:03:41.000 Mr. Boblitsky, I'm sorry for the disruption.

00:03:43.020 Please continue your opening statement.

00:03:44.980 I think you, Mr. Raskin, you...

00:03:46.860 We'll make sure it's right.

00:03:48.020 We'll make sure.

00:03:48.360 Okay, great.

00:03:48.820 I just want to restate, make sure the American people hear all these facts.

00:03:53.420 Boblitsky called out other liars as well.

00:03:57.100 Some other liars who were conveniently not there, including Hunter and James Biden.

00:04:02.240 Biden gave his transcribed interview on February 28th and lied throughout his testimony.

00:04:07.120 Here's just one egregious example of Hunter's perjury.

00:04:10.480 He lied to the committee on important details concerning his money demands and threats to CFC in text messages on July 30th and 31st, 2017.

00:04:22.780 He leveraged his father's presence next to him in that infamous text to strong-arm CFC to paying Hunter immediately.

00:04:30.260 Jim Biden also lied extensively throughout his transcribed interview on February 21st and perjured himself.

00:04:36.260 An example of that, on page 100 of his transcript, Jim is asked specifically,

00:04:42.160 do you recall having a meeting with Hunter Biden, Tony Bobulinski, and Joe Biden?

00:04:47.880 Jim's response, absolutely not.

00:04:51.880 The committee was so shocked by his perjury that they asked him the same question multiple times,

00:04:57.840 each time he denied meeting with me and Joe Biden.

00:05:01.080 After the committee showed him text messages confirming that I met with Joe Biden,

00:05:06.820 Hunter Biden, and Jim Biden at the Beverly Hilton in May 2017,

00:05:11.620 Jim Biden, with a former U.S. attorney lawyer sitting next to him, still denied that meeting took place.

00:05:18.300 In my conversations, by the way, with Tony Bobulinski,

00:05:21.300 I know him to be straightforward, to be an honest guy, and a great American.

00:05:25.380 New reporting from Paul Sperry of Real Clear Investigations shows Hunter Biden reportedly had access

00:05:31.400 to Joe Biden's top secret and SCIFT materials, including national defense information related to U.S. troop deployments.

00:05:40.320 Sperry points out that while Hunter was on vacation in Nantucket with his then vice president father,

00:05:46.480 Joe kept classified documents out in the open and received daily intel briefings with Hunter by his side.

00:05:53.240 Yet Donald Trump is being persecuted for keeping documents he was entitled to keep.

00:05:59.580 Our guest today is the brilliant investigative journalist Julie Kelly,

00:06:03.360 who's been following and reporting on the Trump documents case, all of the cases from day one.

00:06:09.740 Julie, thanks for being with us.

00:06:11.100 And I want to just start, first of all, with the Mar-a-Lago documents case.

00:06:14.500 It's taking sort of an unexpected path here, taking primacy among all of these cases, isn't it?

00:06:20.900 Yes. So, Lou, this case in southern Florida has kind of flown under the radar screen because,

00:06:27.480 as you know, everyone was sort of focused on what was happening in Georgia with the

00:06:31.100 RICO case and Fannie Willis and, of course, the January 6th case against Donald Trump in Washington.

00:06:37.740 But the Washington case is indefinitely postponed until the Supreme Court comes back

00:06:43.240 with a ruling on presidential immunity.

00:06:45.580 And, of course, everyone knows what's happening in Georgia with Fannie Willis.

00:06:48.740 So now the focus is sort of turning to this case against Donald Trump and two co-defendants

00:06:54.400 in southern Florida.

00:06:56.040 And this is the 40-count indictment against Donald Trump for allegedly willfully retaining

00:07:01.260 national defense information, obstructing justice, and allegedly tampering with evidence.

00:07:06.940 So that case is sort of on a faster track, certainly, than the others.

00:07:10.620 And that fast track, where is this thing headed?

00:07:16.740 The issue of arbitrary enforcement, selective prosecution, all of the confusion that surrounds

00:07:24.400 this case doesn't seem to be helping Jack Smith and the gang.

00:07:29.540 It really isn't, Lou, and I've got a piece up on my substats declassified with Julie Kelly

00:07:35.120 that points out what you just said, the, quote, unquote, arbitrary enforcement of the Espionage

00:07:42.060 Act.

00:07:42.660 And that is the statute that represents 32 counts against Donald Trump.

00:07:47.200 And the person, individual who keeps bringing up the arbitrary enforcement is not just Donald

00:07:54.500 Trump and his lawyers, but Judge Aileen Cannon, the Trump-appointed judge who is overseeing

00:08:00.340 this case.

00:08:01.320 I've been in the courtroom now, courthouse, two times this month alone.

00:08:06.720 So has Donald Trump, as this case sort of moves forward?

00:08:10.280 And you can tell from Judge Cannon's demeanor, from her comments in court, from her orders,

00:08:16.960 that she clearly recognizes the double standard of justice between how the DOJ is handling Donald

00:08:22.520 Trump and his alleged retention of classified documents versus, of course, Joe Biden, who had

00:08:28.640 national defense information, lots of classified records, unlawfully kept them for years in multiple

00:08:36.100 locations.

00:08:36.840 And so, as I wrote in my piece, when I was in the courthouse last week covering this latest

00:08:43.540 hearing with Judge Cannon, Robert Herr, the special counsel, and Joe Biden were the elephant

00:08:49.120 in the room because everything kind of kept turning back to, well, how can you charge Donald

00:08:54.800 Trump with this and not anyone else?

00:08:58.620 And that looks now, it's sort of coming into view here, into focus.

00:09:04.460 It really explains a little bit of what might be the motivation of Robert Herr in the memory hole

00:09:13.000 defense, as I call it, about the president of the United States being incapable of standing for

00:09:23.680 prosecution because he's simply a weak old man with memory loss and had no idea what he's doing.

00:09:31.280 But in this, there's also the issue of, there's great reference by her and the special prosecutor's

00:09:40.080 efforts here to try to just simply gloss over the fact how those documents came in to Joe Biden's

00:09:49.360 possession.

00:09:50.120 They talk about him retaining records.

00:09:52.960 They talk about his reckless stewardship of those records.

00:09:57.620 They don't talk about the fact that the only way he could get those documents is by stealing

00:10:03.800 them, Julie.

00:10:04.740 That's the only way that he could have gotten those documents.

00:10:08.180 And there is no emphasis on that reality whatsoever.

00:10:12.940 Well, there isn't.

00:10:14.180 And if you look at the language in the Espionage Act and the essential elements, there are a few.

00:10:20.340 One of them, as you pointed out, is the willful retention.

00:10:24.360 And we know that Joe Biden willfully retains classified documents, especially national defense

00:10:30.420 information, because that's what he was going to write his book about.

00:10:34.540 He was going to initially write a book about his his controversy or his dispute with Barack

00:10:41.500 Obama about, you know, accelerating the war in Afghanistan.

00:10:46.500 He had a 20 page memo that he wrote to Barack Obama Thanksgiving of 2009 that contained national

00:10:54.820 defense information.

00:10:56.360 And he withheld that document.

00:10:58.360 And allegedly, that's what he showed his ghostwriter.

00:11:01.720 So not only did he harbor these documents that were kept really haphazardly, very, really

00:11:07.480 dangerously, as Robert Herr pointed out, throughout unsecure locations in a rental home in Virginia,

00:11:13.480 then his home in Delaware, the Penn Biden Center, and the University of Delaware.

00:11:18.700 These records were everywhere.

00:11:20.680 And he kept them on purpose.

00:11:23.820 Now, also, there is the unauthorized possession of those documents.

00:11:28.980 So you willfully take them, then you possess them without authorization.

00:11:34.100 Well, the only person who could authorize keeping documents like that is a president.

00:11:40.260 He is the head of the executive branch.

00:11:41.940 All of these papers are created under his presidency.

00:11:46.300 Joe Biden wasn't authorized to take any files versus Donald Trump, who was the president.

00:11:53.120 So this is the dispute that's now in play in these court proceedings.

00:11:58.040 If Donald Trump took those documents or his staff, of course, we know Donald Trump was not

00:12:02.360 packing up boxes.

00:12:03.500 But if he took whatever files he wanted, did that automatically confer presidential authority

00:12:11.280 for him to keep those records into perpetuity?

00:12:15.400 That is a question that will be tested in this case.

00:12:19.000 And the fact that you have a former vice president who took these records without authorization,

00:12:24.220 willfully retained them, and did not return them, fitting every essential element of the

00:12:28.900 espionage act, but not charged?

00:12:30.780 How can you have a former president face charges when he actually had the declassification authority

00:12:37.220 and the authority to take these records simply because he was the president?

00:12:43.080 As Julie Kelly writes brilliantly, talking about the issue of arbitrary enforcement, which

00:12:50.140 is obviously more than just a pebble in the shoe of the sitting judge, Eileen Cannon, this 0.81

00:12:58.820 is starting to loom large and it's getting larger.

00:13:01.560 We're going to be right back with Julie Kelly as we take a look at what is clearly now, as

00:13:08.020 this progresses, what is clearly a real mess for the so-called special counsels of Merrick

00:13:16.220 Garland and the Department of Justice under Joe Biden.

00:13:20.360 We'll be right back.

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00:14:57.980 We're back.

00:14:59.020 We're talking with Julie Kelly, I think one of the country's greatest investigative journalists.

00:15:04.000 And she is chronicling the most important issues, in my judgment, facing the country right now in the special counsel in terms of the political persecution of Donald Trump.

00:15:17.840 And what is a judiciary, a federal judiciary that is a morass of corruption and frankly, a Marxist enterprise that has no constraint that's visible, at least from the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Roberts.

00:15:37.120 I want to turn to your point on selective prosecution, arbitrary enforcement of federal law.

00:15:45.300 Eileen Cannon, Judge Cannon, reserved that third element, selective prosecution without ruling.

00:15:53.760 What is your expectation?

00:15:55.940 Will she rule on it?

00:15:57.800 And in what context do you think?

00:16:00.800 So the defense, Donald Trump and his two co-defendants, have prepared at least seven motions to dismiss this case.

00:16:10.480 Two of them were debated last Thursday, as I discuss in my piece, one on the unconstitutional vagueness of the Espionage Act.

00:16:17.040 She has already denied that motion.

00:16:20.140 Also to dismiss the case based on protections in the Presidential Records Act.

00:16:25.260 She has not ruled on that, but what she has asked earlier this week is proposed jury instructions, how the government will ask a jury to find guilt of Donald Trump based on the Presidential Records Act and whether or not a president has the right to unilaterally, under his authority, designate certain records personal versus presidential.

00:16:51.620 That was a big red flag to Jack Smith and the government.

00:16:56.260 And as one J6 defense attorney texted me as soon as that order was filed is, if these are the jury instructions and that is under the purview of the judge, she will ultimately decide what the jury's constructed to decide guilt on.

00:17:11.940 He said, if those are the instructions, Jack Smith is, I won't use the term, but basically big trouble.

00:17:18.740 And this is why you saw another uproar about Judge Cannon this week.

00:17:23.320 You know, the Andrew Weissman's and George Conway's demanding her recusal because she is holding Jack Smith's feet to the fire.

00:17:31.240 So the but to your point, Lou, the selective prosecution motion has not been debated.

00:17:36.600 There has not been a hearing yet.

00:17:37.880 In fact, there really is not much happening.

00:17:42.040 But what Judge Cannon was signaling in the hearing last week is she is going to seriously consider a selective motion, selective prosecution motion now pending, probably will hold a hearing that will be have lots of fireworks.

00:17:56.940 And no one should be surprised if she grants in part parts of that selective prosecution motion or dismisses the case entirely based on the first time historical case against a former president for withholding national defense information or classified documents when Joe Biden just skated fully off the hook for worse defenses when he wasn't even president.

00:18:20.800 Exactly. And with with an extraordinary fanfare here, we're looking at a a president who is seeking absolute immunity.

00:18:33.280 Where does that stand? What are you assess as the potentialities of the Supreme Court ruling on President Trump?

00:18:42.860 So this is the argument that Donald Trump or any president has immunity from criminal prosecution.

00:18:50.220 Again, another unprecedented question.

00:18:52.940 So this is pending before the Supreme Court.

00:18:55.300 Donald Trump filed his brief in this matter before the Supreme Court on Tuesday.

00:19:00.720 And oral arguments are scheduled for April 25th.

00:19:04.100 If the Supreme Court comes back and agrees with all the Obama judges.

00:19:08.100 Well, there was one Bush judge, the lower court judges that for the first time denied presidential immunity from criminal prosecution.

00:19:16.840 If the Supreme Court agrees with those judges denies presidential immunity, then the Washington case, the J6 case against Donald Trump can move forward once again.

00:19:26.740 We're expecting maybe the Supreme Court could issue that order in June, which means, Lou, if they move forward on the trial calendar, Donald Trump could be on trial in Washington, D.C.

00:19:40.780 In late October, as Americans are voting across the country for president, he could be in a Washington, D.C. courtroom facing Jack Smith for account indictment for January 6th.

00:19:51.740 I want to touch on just a couple of quick things as we wrap up here, Julie.

00:19:56.340 We really appreciate you being with us.

00:20:00.020 D.C. U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves warning that if the 1512C2 is reversed, that he will seek proportionate increases in sentences for the J6ers. 0.98

00:20:16.440 This is banality at its worst.

00:20:22.040 This is just banality in the system, not just corruption, political corruption.

00:20:29.020 This is a man who is, frankly, in my opinion, outright evil.

00:20:32.900 Your thoughts?

00:20:34.880 He is evil.

00:20:36.040 So are the judges, most of the judges in the D.C. courthouse.

00:20:39.120 As you know, I've been following these J6 proceedings for three years.

00:20:42.580 I am stunned, shocked, sickened, and outraged at basically everything I see that happens in a federal courthouse in our nation's capital.

00:20:53.060 It is lawless.

00:20:54.280 It is unconstitutional.

00:20:55.900 It is cruel, vengeful.

00:20:58.120 We saw yesterday Peter Navarro, a 74-year-old man reporting to prison in Miami because a slew of Obama judges on the district court and appellate court denied his reporting to prison on this lame, you know, contempt of Congress conviction by a D.C. jury.

00:21:19.020 All Democrats, a Democrat judge, Amit Mehta, convicting him of not cooperating with the Democrats' illicit J6 committee. 0.70

00:21:29.240 I mean, this is what's happening in this courthouse.

00:21:31.980 And now you have the potential for the Supreme Court to overturn the most common felony in J6 cases, more than 330 J6ers either convicted or pleading guilty to 1512 C2 obstruction of an official proceeding, this post-Enron evidence hampering destruction statute, using it to criminalize political dissent.

00:21:53.240 Well, pretty much everyone, Lou, feels like the Supreme Court is going to reverse how DOJs use this.

00:21:58.260 This will have a huge impact on the overall prosecution, including people now sitting in jail, sentenced to years on that conviction.

00:22:07.120 So they're coming back to the court.

00:22:08.820 They're asking for release, saying basically, you know, the average sentence is this.

00:22:13.960 If the court reverses this, I basically have no other prison time, so I should be released.

00:22:20.060 But what DOJ is coming back with, Matthew Graves, a D.C. U.S. attorney, Biden-appointed judge, has said, well, that's fine.

00:22:28.340 Then what we will do if it's vacated and Supreme Court vacates their sentences, go back for re-sentencing.

00:22:34.280 We are just going to compound the prison sentences for any other convictions or plea deals, meaning if you have misdemeanors or you have that with interfering with law enforcement or you have that in civil disorder, we'll just go back and say, well, okay, we'll drop that.

00:22:50.620 We want the full prison time allowed under the sentencing guidance, and we want other enhancements.

00:22:58.220 So basically, even if you only have four other misdemeanors, we're going to ask for them to be served consecutively, not concurrently, which means all at the same time, which results in at least a three-year prison sentence for misdemeanors.

00:23:14.100 That is the punishment for J6ers and the Supreme Court if they reverse this 1512C2. 1.00

00:23:21.240 It's a warning to other J6ers. 1.00

00:23:23.140 Don't come to DOJ and ask for a vacated sentence, a reduced sentence, because if you do, we're going to push these judges for more time, and three-quarters of them will go along with DOJ.

00:23:36.160 And this is a further statement, and this is my last question, Julie.

00:23:39.760 This is just a further statement of the weakness, the timidity, and the unprincipled chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:23:50.820 No U.S. attorney would have the arrogance, the ignorance to simply challenge the U.S. chief justice of the Supreme Court by making such a blatant threat against the court and the defendants at issue here.

00:24:09.760 This is John Roberts being told, we will roll you no matter what you do, is it not?

00:24:17.300 Well, I'll do you one better, Lou, and that's an excellent point.

00:24:20.040 Matthew Graves is married to a woman named Fatima Goss Graves.

00:24:23.320 She is the president of a $100 million-plus nonprofit women's legal center, far left wing, as radical as you could get.

00:24:31.160 And Fatima Goss Graves, the wife of the D.C. U.S. attorney, is part of a broad coalition demanding Clarence Thomas resign.

00:24:41.100 So how can you have such a conflict?

00:24:43.500 So, of course, her husband doesn't care.

00:24:46.100 Her husband is going to be happy to stick his thumb in the eye of the Supreme Court, something I'm sure he believes is illegitimate, just as his wife does.

00:24:57.220 And so this is part of their, he and his wife and the left and the Joe Biden White House to discredit, to ignore the Supreme Court and to, you know, kind of flaunt what they believe, and truly it is, their superiority over the highest court in the land.

00:25:18.120 So just when you think things cannot get worse, the ties, whether it's spousal, family, whatever, ties, the collaboration behind the scenes of these leftists, to your point, these Marxists, to destroy our country, our Constitution, and the political rights of our citizens, you know, they just, they have no bottom.

00:25:39.220 And it is, this moment in history is fraught, and the Republic is truly, the Constitutional Republic is truly on knife's edge.

00:25:51.220 Julie, thanks for doing all you, all you do for the Republic and for all Americans.

00:25:57.080 We appreciate it.

00:25:58.320 God bless you and look forward to talking to you again soon.

00:26:01.000 Thanks so much.

00:26:01.620 Julie Kelly.

00:26:02.360 Thanks, Lou.

00:26:03.320 Thanks, everybody, for being with us.

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The Great America Show - March 21, 2024

RULE OF LAW COLLAPSING

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