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With Governor DeSantis entering the race, the Republican field of candidates for the 2020 presidential nomination has grown to 6. Republican strategist and author Roger Stone joins host Lou Dobbs to discuss the growing field of potential presidential candidates, including the newest addition to the field, former Florida Governor Rick Scott. Also, a new poll shows President Trump s net favorability rating up 8 points from the beginning of the year.
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Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Show. Great to have you with us.
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With the entry of Governor DeSantis, the Republican field of candidates has grown to six,
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running for the 2024 nomination. The governor had a rocky start to his campaign and his poll numbers
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aren't looking much better. And President Trump is making it clear to DeSantis and the other five
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candidates that he won't be making it easy for them at all. A new economist YouGov poll has President
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Trump's net favorability rating at an all-time high. The latest poll shows President Trump with a 49%
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favorability rating among all registered voters. His favorability rating up eight points from the
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beginning of the year. As you would expect, Trump's favorability among Republicans only still remains
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sky-high. 84%. 54% of those view him as very favorable. And nothing favorable at all about the
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way Americans are looking at the FBI. Republicans announcing they're investigating the Bank of America
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for providing the FBI with customer records and data. The investigation comes following whistleblower
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testimony claiming Bank of America voluntarily shared the private financial data of its customers
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with the FBI without any legal guidelines or protection for their customers. The FBI and the
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Department of Justice, as we all know, are politically corrupt. And the recently released Durham report
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only further validating that view of just how pervasively corrupt the FBI truly is. Our guest today has
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experienced what the FBI has become. Our guest is Republican strategist and author Roger Stone. Roger awakened to
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the FBI at his doorstep at five in the morning with a CNN camera crew, by the way, right behind them. Outrageous
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misconduct by the FBI. More outrageous, their treatment of Roger Stone. Roger is the host of
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Stone Zone, and you can catch him live each weekday at 5 p.m. Eastern time at stonezone.live. Roger, great to
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have you with us here on The Great America Show. Delighted that you're here. I want to start, if I may, with
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the DeSantis campaign and what a launch it was. Yeah, very unconventional and I think sadly not as
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effective as it might have been. I mean, the choice of Twitter space is interesting, but Lou, we live in a
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visual world. Your show isn't a podcast, it's a webcast where people can see us. And I think that
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dimension was missing. Also, we don't know whether the governor was reading his comments, although
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it appeared that way to me. And I think in this visual world of ours, it was missing that dimension.
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In retrospect, had he done a more traditional announcement, an announcement to which he actually
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invited the media, I think he would have gotten substantially more coverage. And then on top
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of it, the optics of having your announcement at a $5,000 ahead donor event is not really conducive
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to the average voter. All interesting considerations. And that's why I implored you to be here today to
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take these things up that many of us would have missed. But among those things that bothered me
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was, and like you, I couldn't tell at various points if the governor was, it was just his monotone or
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whether or not he was actually reading from a script. But on the other hand, I thought it was a success in
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a strange way for Twitter, because just the conversation really did work, I think. But part
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of that may have been because the governor didn't have to carry the load himself. Indeed, he wasn't
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even the star attraction. It was Elon Musk. What do you think of those dynamics?
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Look, this was very, very good for Twitter and very, very good for Elon Musk. And to the extent that
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Twitter can move into the void that is left, I think, by a bunch of bad business decisions at Fox
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News, for example, and other cable networks, I think that's a very positive thing. I also like the
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fact that Elon Musk made it clear that this same setup, this kind of Twitter space will be available
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to other presidential candidates, whether it's Donald Trump or Robert Kennedy or Nikki Haley. So
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he's not really playing favorites. For those who are trying to say, oh, well, this means Musk has
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endorsed DeSantis. No, I don't think that's what it meant. Twitter is becoming a much more vibrant
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and important place in our entire political dialogue. I'm happy to be back there, to be honest with you.
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I'm grateful because I was banned for life and still am at Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. I'm not really
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sure why, but I'm grateful to be back on Twitter. So bottom line, very good for Twitter, very good for
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Elon Musk. I think it could have been better for Governor DeSantis.
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And how was it, do you think, for President Trump? There were a couple of points at which
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Governor DeSantis, the comeback rhetoric that he used was simply an echo of President Trump,
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his use of the America first and make America great again platforms. I thought he should have
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given at least some credit to a tip of the hat to his sources.
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Well, Lou, let's face it. If you had a chance to see the Beatles or to see a Beatles tribute band,
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which one are you going to take? You're going to go see the Beatles. And I think the governor needs
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to be very, very careful because all of the polling that I have seen shows that those who like Ron
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DeSantis love Donald Trump. What's amazing about Trump is the intensity of his support. In other
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words, his voters are not just for him. They love him. They will not abandon him despite these attacks
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by the Biden administration, the weaponization of the judiciary system against him. I should say
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the judicial branch against him. In a perverse way, they just make his candidacy stronger.
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So while the DeSantis campaign was crowing about raising a million dollars in the 24 hours after his
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announcement, by the way, I'd like to know what the average contribution was. Donald Trump raised three
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and a half million dollars in the 48 hours after this New York prosecutor filed what I believe is a
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completely baseless and motivated legal action against him. So look, DeSantis is getting into a cage
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match with the champion. And I think he's going to find the sledding perhaps much tougher than he thinks.
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And I suspect part of him, at least, is hoping there will be other entrants into the race for the
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Republican nomination just so that the pain can be distributed across a greater number of candidates,
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because I think you're exactly right. He is formidable, as he's demonstrated over and over.
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Certainly in the primaries, he is bone crushing. And I have to say, I find it not only effective,
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but entertaining. And I think most Americans do. Let's turn to the issue of money that you just
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raised, the million dollars within an hour or so with a bunch of fat cats, as they used to be called.
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Now I just call them oligarchs. It's a little simpler and more precise. This is a strange,
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strange country we have right now, because we're watching billionaires coalesce around the idea of
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a certain direction in public policy, and then they go look for a candidate, and then they manufacture
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it. Is DeSantis, in your judgment, just that manufactured prop for these oligarchs' visions?
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I think that's precisely what he is. More importantly, I think it's about business. In other
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words, he has a disproportionate number of tech billionaires, many of whom are involved in the
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building of technology, which is really used to surveil the American people, surveil consumers,
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but surveil private citizens. Is their ultimate goal large government-funded contracts? Is that why
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they're on board? Donald Trump's financial strength in politics going all the way back to 2016 has
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always been the small and medium-sized donor, the small business person. It's a misnomer to say,
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oh, well, this billionaire moved from Trump to DeSantis. Well, when you look more carefully,
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this billionaire was for Donald Trump as soon as he was nominated, or in some cases,
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not until he was actually elected. And therefore, that combined with the governor's newfound
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penchant for secrecy, I think is deeply disturbing. Look, I live in Florida. We had until recently the
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most sweeping and I think effective sunshine laws in the country. Any Florida citizen could find out
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where the state airplane was, what was going on in public meetings, who was in the governor's mansion,
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how much was being spent by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to provide security
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for the governor. Now, under a new law signed by Governor DeSantis, all those things are a secret.
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The way they rationalize that is to say, well, for security reasons. Well, I'm sorry, knowing whose
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plane the governor was flying in and what it cost and where he went three weeks ago is not a security
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question. I could see some concern about the public having access to his future travels. That's a
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legitimate argument. But this entire secrecy about those oligarchs and what their role is,
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I think is very important. This fellow, David Sachs, who was the moderator yesterday,
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he's a Hillary Clinton supporter. And he supported the bailout of the Silicon Valley Bank.
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What are his motives for being for Ron DeSantis? Yeah, all legitimate and important questions.
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And frankly, I believe that the folks, the citizens of Florida are going to be chewing over what has
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happened, whether it is permitting the governor to run for president while governor, a new law,
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whether it is consigning his travel to to deeply sealed vaults somewhere and out of the prying eyes
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of the public. I am a firm, as you would suspect, a firm believer in the public's right to know.
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And I'm an absolutist about it. I agree with you about the future travel. That is fair,
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fairly put. Past travel, we need to know everything that any government official is doing, period.
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We're back talking with Roger Stone and amongst the plaudits that I offered up going into the
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break. I neglected to say bestselling author, and he's written a number of some of my favorite books
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and is an expert, if you will, on the assassination of JFK. And I just think, first of all, I want to
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compliment you on your authorship. And I am, as you might also guess, intensely interested in JFK and that
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entire era for what it did speak to in the way of a projection to where we are today, that is the
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emergence of a deep state that was kinetic, not simply a remnant in a far corner of the federal
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government. Your thoughts now about what President Trump has to contend with, an avarice deep state
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that is absolutely the tool of the Marxist Dems who run the Democrat Party now and this puppet
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president, in my view. Your thoughts, Roger? Well, first of all, as you know, Lou, I worked for
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Richard Nixon. I worked for Senator Bob Dole, one of the greatest Americans of the 20th century.
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They were both very, very tough guys, but neither one of them is as tough as Donald Trump. I really
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don't know how a man, given what he is facing and the level of persecution and the two-tiered nature of
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it, in other words, being held to a completely different standard than anyone else in public life
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and still function every day. I mean, I talked to the president fairly regularly, and Lou, he's
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upbeat, he's optimistic, he's resolute, he loves combat. Let's be candid about it. There's nothing
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more than he likes than mixing it up, but I think he rightfully feels persecuted. And what it speaks to,
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in my opinion, is a realization by the Democrats that they do not want to run against Donald Trump.
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They particularly don't want to run against a Donald Trump who learned an enormous amount in his first
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term. When you consider all of the obstacles put in his way, when you consider the complete
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documentation now in the John Durham report, that the government never had any probable cause
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to open the investigations into Trump, had no evidence whatsoever of Russian collusion.
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I got jammed up in this myself because when Mueller couldn't find any evidence of Russian collusion,
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he sought to create it. And they wanted me to testify falsely against the president, since
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in their investigation into me, they hadn't found either Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration.
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So they charge you with process crimes to pressure you into lying, which, as you know,
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I refused to do. So I've lived in that pressure cooker. Yesterday, you had one of the president's
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former lawyers talking about his going to prison over the handling of documents, where it appears to me
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that all of his recent predecessors in the White House handled documents the exact same way he did,
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including, by the way, Joe Biden. So the weaponization against him speaks to their fear of running against
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him in an open, fair, free, transparent election. But here's the strangest part. The attacks on him
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seem to make him stronger. The attacks on him seem to fatten his war chest from small and medium-sized
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donors. And the attacks against him, I think, further educate the people that he's being persecuted
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because they don't want him back, which is a good reason why the average American voter would want him
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back. As you say, he is a man who loves being in the arena. He loves the fight. He loves the combat,
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as you put it. He is also, as you addressed it, he does feel persecuted. And the extraordinary thing
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about that is that is precisely what he is. He's been persecuted, politically persecuted. For now,
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we're in the eighth year. This is an amazing fact of American life to me, is that the party itself,
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the Republican Party, I understand its establishment. I understand it's principally rhinos in its
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leadership. I do not understand how any man or woman in those positions of leadership in the Republican
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Party could have sat on their hands and watched as he is persecuted by the Department of Justice,
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by the FBI, by the Democratic National Committee, by the Hillary Clinton campaign, by their operatives,
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the deep state throughout federal government, the entire intelligence apparatus of this country,
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at one point aligned against him, not Russia, not China, working to destroy his chance of being
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president and then to overthrow him. And almost without a peep from the leaders of this country
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and other arenas, that is business, academia, law, not a peep. What do you think?
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Well, Lou, look, I have a long and sentimental attachment to the Republican Party, you know,
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the party of Lincoln, the party of Goldwater, the party of Reagan, the party of Trump. But I also
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have to be realistic about the fact that at the leadership levels, both parties have been co-opted
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by a ruling, wealthy, global and national elite. And therefore, Donald Trump's elevation and his nomination
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in 2016 was really the hostile takeover of the Republican Party. And what's most disturbing is the failure of
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Republicans to step forward, in many cases, to defend this president and to appoint out the
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two-tier justice system, the fact that the man has been persecuted, indeed, hounded now for eight years.
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It's shocking to me watching the lame street media, again, with people on MSNBC and CNN,
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pointing to the Senate Intelligence Committee report as their proof of Russian collusion.
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Lou, the Senate Intelligence Committee report is a crock. Every single reference to me, for example,
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in there is completely false and incorrect. It's as if somebody clipped any fake news media story
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from the lowest rent left-wing website and just takes it as fact. There is no Russian collusion.
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Mr. Mueller couldn't find it. Mr. Durham couldn't find it. Yet, sadly, there's a substantial amount of people
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in the country who still believe this as a fact because, well, I saw it on TV, so it must be true.
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Our problem today are not these highly motivated, screwball, left-wing, socialist Democrats.
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Our problem are the weak-kneed, lily-livered, feckless, gutless, country club establishment Republicans
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who, in between sipping white wine, don't seem to have the gumption to defend perhaps the greatest president
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It is frustrating, and I think he is the greatest president, certainly in my judgment, since Abraham Lincoln.
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And I think I can successfully defend that against most. The possibility that he could be, again,
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facing a more powerful establishment this time, as he is going to pick up the 47th, those 47 numbers,
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and make him president again. I just wonder at what point the American people will have the courage
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to look out and see exactly what is happening in this country. And we're going to take that up
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with Roger Stone in just a moment. What will it take for the American people themselves to be clear-eyed
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to know what is actually happening in the swamp with an entrenched corporatist media
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that refuses to report faithfully the facts? We'll be back with Roger Stone in just a moment.
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We're back with Roger Stone, and I want to turn to that issue because we're watching a lot of money
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being pumped, as it always is in a presidential campaign, into the coffers of both principles in this.
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If I can refer to DeSantis having that position as a principal, he's about 30 to 40 points,
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depending on the poll behind Trump, and I think it will stay something in that margin.
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But the tens of millions of dollars already pouring in for this battle, what does that augur, Roger Stone?
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Well, look, Donald Trump is not going to get a fair shake from broadcast television. It's now clear that he's not going to get
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a fair shake from cable television. But the truth is he would never have been elected president
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without his effective use of the Internet as the platform from which he must counterpunch.
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Now, he's a great communicator, and when they come at him, and they will, I think he's going to be uniquely
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well-positioned to launch the counterattack. It is only, in my opinion, and with all due respect to
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Truth Social, which I like and which I use, but at the end of the day, Twitter is a more vibrant and a more
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important marketplace for ideas, and the president is going to have to use every avenue, every platform
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he can to punch back. That moment will come, but that is how the people will get educated, and that is
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how I think ultimately he can muster the support that he's going to need to get back in the White House.
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First, is it like drawing to an inside straight in a game of poker? Indeed, it is. He has a lot of
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obstacles in his way. But two things I have learned. The most predictable thing about Donald Trump
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is his complete unpredictability, and he should never be underestimated. His resolution,
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his insistence, his determination to win is not dampened in the slightest by these extraordinarily
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vicious personal attacks on him. And if I had to bet today, I would still bet on his returning to the
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White House. As would I. And I'm sure millions of Americans who are still feeling the pain of
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having the 2020 election rigged against them and Donald Trump feel exactly the same way.
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And this business of that election being rigged, why is there, I'll put it this way, because that
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would be a little disingenuous on my part. Why do you believe it is the establishment has gotten away
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with saying it's settled fact that the 2020 election was not rigged? It was not stolen.
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When in point of fact and demonstrable fact and known fact, and validated as recently as the Durham
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For two reasons, Lou. First of all, because of the corruption of our traditional legacy media,
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which you have to admit, you have to admire their discipline. It's like Caitlin Collins in the CNN
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town hall in New Hampshire stomping her foot and saying, no, there is no evidence whatsoever this
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election is, which is an absurdity. But it is monolithic across the board. And if you as an
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individual in your podcast or in my daily show, if I question that, well, you're some kind of nut.
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You're some kind of irresponsible kook. No, not true. But the other reason, very sadly,
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is because of the complete politicization of our judicial system. It's not that these court cases
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questioning the election were heard and rejected. They were never actually heard. The Supreme Court
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has refused to hear a number of, I think, extraordinarily well-documented and legitimate
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cases questioning the anomalies and the irregularities in the last presidential election.
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So what you have is an establishment, establishment media, the establishment of all three branches of
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government, unfortunately, all dedicated to a false narrative. I have to tell you this, Lou,
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if you have the courage, as you have on this show, to question the election in any way,
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well, they just seek to censor you further. It is why they've gotten away with it so far
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and why they continue to get away with it. I watched the Carrie Lake trial with extreme interest,
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and I thought her lawyers made a compelling, in fact, an open and shut case about the election fraud in
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that state. Yet I must tell you, I was not even a little bit surprised when the judge in the case
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rejected her arguments. Unfortunately, neither was I. And I know that her attorneys were very optimistic
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optimistic that as a matter of simple logic and the facts that they would at last have a fair hearing
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that would result in a finding for her. As you say, the farthest thing from it, and they swept the matter
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aside, it is Maricopa County stands as an example of, if that is not an example of electoral fraud,
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I can't even imagine what county could be better, could supplant them for the title. Can you?
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Well, in a situation in which we know that the voting tabulating machines take a ballot
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that is 19 inches long. They are tested the night before with a ballot paper ballot that is 19 inches
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long. But on election day and roughly 60% of the precincts, just coincidentally, the most heavily
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Republican precincts, they are specifically sent a paper ballot that is 20 inches long and therefore
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most definitely will be rejected by the tabulator machine. Oh, just throw it in that box over there.
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We'll get to count it eventually. No, that's the most egregious example of fraud that I've seen
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in the almost 60 years that I've been involved in American politics. And now when you added to it
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the extremely compelling case regarding the state's lack of actually doing the legally required signature
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matching, I thought Carrie Lake's lawyers did a brilliant job with overwhelming evidence,
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but it fell on deaf ears. Here is the question. They will now seek to go to the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Will this Supreme Court ever hear a legitimate election integrity issue? I'm not optimistic,
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to be quite honest with you, because I think once again, all three branches of government at this
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point are brought into a political narrative and have been very sadly corrupted.
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And the judiciary, just the latest entrant into the corruption of our federal government,
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state government in the instance of what is happening in Arizona, obviously.
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The federal judiciary, what it has done to over-sentence, over-charge, whether it's the
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Department of Justice, whether it's the judiciary itself, with the political prisoners of J6,
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it is an open wound, an open, festering, pus-filled boil on this nation that only worsens with time.
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Your thoughts about, is there an extrication from it? Is there remedy for these victims of the left
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Well, Lou, my answer may surprise you, but as you know, there are no atheists in foxholes.
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And therefore, when I was staring into the abyss, when I was looking at seven to nine years in prison,
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when I had done absolutely nothing wrong and where any misstatement that I made under oath in my
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voluntary testimony hid no underlying crime, there was no Russian collusion or WikiLeaks
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collaboration to lie about, to cover up, I started to fervently pray. I restored my Christian faith.
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I was redeemed in the blood of the cross. I know right now there are people out there,
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elites who are saying, oh, how corny, how trite, what a head fake, what a, no, I'm sorry. I don't
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really care what they think. I only care what he thinks. So I pray for our nation because we are in
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such trouble that it is only divine intervention that is going to save us, that good men and good
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women, men and women of courage are going to have to take leadership in these times. Now, that doesn't
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sound like much of a political strategy. It is, in fact, a spiritual strategy, but it's one that I have
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come to believe in very strongly. I've experienced these miracles in my own life, not only my pardon,
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but my wife's surviving stage four cancer, which I think was triggered by the stress of being hounded
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by the federal government. And therefore, I still believe through the grace of God that America's
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greatest days lie ahead. Roger Stone. And that's it for us today. We hope you have a great Memorial Day
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weekend. Our guest here Monday will be Paul Bracken, Yale professor of political science and author of the
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important book, The Second Nuclear Age. You don't want to miss it. We hope you'll join us for that.
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Until then, thanks, God bless you, and may God bless America.