Former National Security Agency intelligence analyst Russ Tice joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss the latest in leftist political persecution of President Trump and his business dealings in the United States. Plus, former CIA analyst Russ shares his thoughts on the latest disclosures of top-secret documents allegedly obtained by the U.S. Intelligence Agency.
00:05:28.840But we go back to the OPM, the Office of Personal Management hacks,
00:05:33.520what was it, 30 million sets of personal data were stolen.
00:05:41.720And the government didn't even know it.
00:05:43.920Do you, what do you think the reason is we don't hear about that?
00:05:47.060Have we finally figured out a way to defend those systems, those networks, those files?
00:05:52.440Or are they simply not publicizing it?
00:05:57.840Well, ultimately, a lot of hacks, most, matter of fact, most hacks are never mentioned in the press.
00:06:04.420There are things that happen when, oh, you know, something happens and they say,
00:06:10.260well, it was just an outage and they blame it on something, some sort of minor glitch or something.
00:06:17.800But in fact, that outage was the result of a cyber attack.
00:06:23.220But they're trying to cover their tracks or not allow the people to know because they don't want to panic for certain things,
00:06:31.880especially when it comes to the financial systems being hacked into or power grids or things that are very important to our infrastructure.
00:06:42.320There's a system called SCADA that runs an awful lot of our industrial manufacturing capabilities and things like water treatment plants and all kinds of other things.
00:06:57.820And in years past, those systems have been vulnerable.
00:07:02.840And I'm quite sure we've tried to shore up those vulnerabilities.
00:07:07.980But in the case of OPM, and by the way, one of the things that were taken in OPM were people in the intelligence community's security applications
00:07:20.780and all the security questions that you have to answer, so all the in-depth personal information of people like myself
00:07:29.840and all of the other intel and national security folks that have had clearances is now in the possession up until that point of the Chinese communists,
00:16:18.520We also are fighting, we're also, of course, DARPA and every other part of the military-industrial complex of this country, one hopes, is working on advanced lasers.
00:16:31.100The Chinese are rumored, and in some cases reported, to have highly advanced weaponized lasers.
00:16:39.240Do you sense that there is a parity between China and the CCP, Communist China, in the area of laser weaponry?
00:17:00.680Now, you know, you've got to realize I've been out of the business for a little while.
00:17:04.920But, I mean, there are issues that come with, especially putting things in space like lasers,
00:17:09.720because you have to generate an awful lot of power to do so.
00:17:13.200So, basically, you either have to put a nuclear reactor in orbit, or you have to have one hell of a hole out of solar panels to be able to generate that kind of energy.
00:17:25.320Even if you try to use mirrors, there are so many kind of atmospherics that are involved as far as, you know, trying to bounce something that makes that almost impractical.
00:17:35.020But, these challenges are being worked on, and especially when it comes to space-to-space capabilities, it's a lot less of a problem when you have to go to and fro the atmosphere.
00:17:49.380Space-to-space, you're talking about primarily contesting each power's satellites, low Earth orbit.
00:18:41.820And since then, that system or that program, I think, has been disbanded.
00:18:50.160But we've seen in the press that the Russians and the Chinese have since tested their own kinetic capabilities, basically being able to put something next to another satellite and explode a bunch of, you know, Balbarians or something to take out another satellite.
00:19:13.000Now, it also, that causes a problem, because it creates an awful lot of space junk in our orbits.
00:19:21.480This can be done, there's different types of orbits, as I'm pretty sure you know.
00:19:24.740There's the geo orbits, which are the ones that follow the track of the Earth, the geo orbits, which are designed these days to have communications in the northern hemisphere, and the polar, which are the ones that a lot of our spy satellites do that for cameras, electro-opticals.
00:19:44.460And also, we have the meo orbits, the medium-high orbits that we use our GPS satellites for.
00:19:53.100So, any one of those orbits could have something floating around to try to take out that system.
00:20:18.840But in the commercial world, and our military relies a whole lot on commercial satellites as well, those systems, it's expensive to harden a satellite.
00:20:29.020In most cases, commercial satellites are not hardened.
00:20:31.420Well, that's sobering, and I think everyone is aware that the GPS is a highly vulnerable system as well, that the military has its own GPS systems.
00:20:48.400But for the rest of the world, I mean, we are in a vulnerable state now because of space, the potential of combat in space.
00:21:00.200And, by the way, now with lasers reaching all the way to the moon, and some trying to create that as a staking a claim to fire a laser to the moon, I guess, and then, you know, etch your initials in it.
00:21:18.180Elon Musk, with all of his Starlink satellites, and I don't know how many thousand he has up, but I know that it's a huge number.
00:21:25.180Everyone is talking about space junk, as you just mentioned, and some of it came roaring to Earth here in the last few weeks, getting everyone's attention because of the bright lights and all that was witnessed across much of North America.
00:21:42.340Your thoughts about that issue, and I realize we're far afield from the surveillance state, but I want to just get this question into you to get just your thinking on it because you know so much about it.
00:21:53.620Well, any time you design a satellite, at some point, you're going to lose the capability to control that satellite.
00:22:02.540There's a fuel called hydrazine that we use a lot to control or maneuver a satellite, and when that fuel source runs out, you kind of lose the ability.
00:22:14.640There's gyroscopes and there's reaction wheels that are all designed to keep what's called the attitude of that satellite where it needs to be.
00:22:22.480Any time someone says, I'm going to move the satellite or I'm going to move this or that or whatever, that takes energy from the satellite to blow these little jets on the hydrazine to move it here or there or change its attitude or angle of attack on something.
00:22:37.060And basically, you're killing the shelf life of that satellite if you keep doing a whole lot of those maneuvers.
00:22:43.640Ultimately, at the end of the day, when that satellite is ending its lifespan and you know that you won't have that capability, you're supposed to leave enough juice in the satellite
00:23:00.100to be able to send that thing into a higher orbit where it won't come back to space or it won't come back to Earth and say, you know, a thousand years
00:23:10.060or more likely to intentionally send that thing into the atmosphere so it'll burn up and hopefully, if there's anything left of it, land in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
00:23:25.700Yeah, sufficient controlled reentry to avoid at least hopefully populated areas.
00:23:31.320So let's turn to the surveillance state.
00:23:34.280The GOP very upset with the Department of Justice, the trust issue on FISA reauthorization.
00:24:45.280Actually, the whole FISA court, in my opinion, is worthless.
00:24:51.240Well, it's certainly been a rubber stamp.
00:24:55.440It has been markedly abused, as we've learned from the investigations of what the Justice Department, FBI, and intelligence agencies did to President Trump throughout their what is now seven years of political persecution.
00:25:08.300I see no basis on earth, and I listen to some of the fatuous establishment chairs of various committees, and I'm not going to name names, but to suggest that this has got to be done.
00:25:21.660It should be automatic, and you're not patriotic if you don't go along with it.
00:25:26.800By the time you get through the 702 and the various sections of that act, let's just tear it all up and start again, because it is just disgusting.
00:25:46.000What the NSA and other agencies have done to create this new surveillance state.
00:25:53.920Well, for the longest time, and still to this day, the interpretation of some of these things is secret, just to know how they interpret how they're going to use the Section 215 under the Patriot Act,
00:26:10.700or a 702 under the Feisman Amendment Act, or Executive Order 12333, which is another one that they're using to spy domestically on American citizens.
00:26:24.860So they try to keep this thing as esoteric as possible to make sure that no one knows what's going on.
00:26:32.800Now we know from Edward Snowden that the FISA court did the rubber stamp on a generic general warrant to access all of Verizon's customers domestically.
00:26:48.820So, of course, you know, that's what I've been saying for many years, so I have to thank Mr. Snowden for confirming with NSA's own documents that this has been going on,
00:27:01.120which ultimately is why they want Mr. Snowden's head on a platter so badly.
00:27:05.920But they do want his head on a platter, and they don't always acknowledge, as they say, make those insinuations that they want his head on a platter.
00:27:16.240They don't always say exactly why his revelations warrant some of the, I would call it, energy that they want to put behind returning him.
00:27:28.260But also Julian Assange, who has been, I think it's a travesty that what has happened to the man,
00:27:36.820that the United States has not been able to come to terms and say to the American people, what is the deal here?
00:27:43.980There's something going on with Julian Assange that we're not being told.
00:27:47.420And so much is involved concerning WikiLeaks, the documents and the information and the data that has been posted in WikiLeaks and their affiliated websites.
00:27:59.780We are at a point in this country where we have got to return, it seems to me, Russ, to a transparent society where we talk openly.
00:28:12.460There are some things, of course, that have to be secret.
00:28:15.900But the failings and the issues of violating our rights under the Constitution,
00:28:21.760that's a reach well too far to suit my judgment of what America is all about.