The Great America Show - April 12, 2023


RUSS TICE SAYS WEAPONIZATION OF THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES IN DOMESTIC POLITICS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME

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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Trump Russ Tice Edward Snowden Biden Julian Assange Letitia James Daniel Ellsberg Jamie Dimon Joe McBride Elon Musk
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Former National Security Agency intelligence analyst Russ Tice joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss the latest in leftist political persecution of President Trump and his business dealings in the United States. Plus, former CIA analyst Russ shares his thoughts on the latest disclosures of top-secret documents allegedly obtained by the U.S. Intelligence Agency.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. Lou Dobbs here. Welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:04.260 Glad you're with us as we all fight for truth, justice, and the American way.
00:00:09.500 Even as we speak, President Trump has to be in New York this week
00:00:13.720 to give a deposition in another case brought by a Marxist Dem attorney general,
00:00:19.440 the New York State Attorney General Letitia James,
00:00:23.160 another Trump hater, a professional hater it seems,
00:00:25.940 bringing another business fraud case against the president.
00:00:30.500 Saying, among other things, that Mr. Trump overstated the value of some properties and assets.
00:00:36.900 It is a silly case in no small part because no one was defrauded.
00:00:42.000 No one lost money. 0.75
00:00:44.200 It's more political persecution, and I believe the country's more than just a little tired
00:00:49.140 of the Marxist Dem's harassment and persecution of President Trump.
00:00:53.920 Just because Trump is the presumptive GOP nominee for 2024
00:00:59.080 and poses the biggest electoral threat to the Marxist Dems in the 2024 presidential race.
00:01:06.540 Letitia James wants to ban Trump as well from doing business in New York, 0.98
00:01:10.920 from buying real estate in New York.
00:01:13.700 Think about that.
00:01:15.020 A former president and the presumptive nominee of the opposing party.
00:01:19.240 Now, few businesses have been fined more than JPMorgan Chase.
00:01:24.660 Tens of billions of dollars, in fact, for money laundering, banking violations, serious offenses.
00:01:31.480 Does the attorney general also want Chase run out of New York?
00:01:35.500 CEO Jamie Dimon banned?
00:01:37.980 Why not?
00:01:38.900 She's a tough guy, right?
00:01:40.240 At least when it comes to harassing the principal opponent of Marxist Dems, none other than President Trump.
00:01:47.200 Her persecution, by the way, of Trump is ugly politics, it's vicious politics, and that's it.
00:01:53.280 It's actually James and all the Marxist Dems who shouldn't be allowed to do business anywhere in New York,
00:01:59.120 or anywhere, for that matter, in America.
00:02:01.340 But she's typical of the Biden regime, representative of the Marxist Dems who've taken over the Democrat Party 0.90
00:02:08.380 and most of our federal government, including our military and the intelligence agencies.
00:02:14.720 The military and intel leaders are in lockstep with the Biden regime, 0.88
00:02:19.780 woke and weird, sanctimonious but seriously inept, 0.86
00:02:24.060 dangerously distracted from their first purpose, 0.98
00:02:27.080 defense of the United States, our great republic, and the American people.
00:02:32.380 Seemingly too woke and hardly awake to their awesome responsibilities and duty.
00:02:38.400 The Pentagon and the alphabet agencies are now caught up in a whirlwind of their own making.
00:02:43.960 Leak are leaks of top-secret military intelligence on the Russian war against Ukraine,
00:02:49.940 on China, and the Mideast.
00:02:52.080 And some documents suggest U.S. spying on our allies as well.
00:02:57.080 While the Pentagon says some of the secret documents have been doctored,
00:03:01.220 others are obviously very much real,
00:03:04.280 because the Pentagon has also ordered a criminal investigation,
00:03:08.860 and worse, those documents reportedly were on social media for weeks, undetected.
00:03:14.880 And the Pentagon admits they still don't know who leaked the documents,
00:03:18.900 who was involved, nor the political motive of whoever was involved.
00:03:23.620 Our guest today is former National Security Agency intelligence analyst Russ Tice.
00:03:29.880 Russ is also a whistleblower who divulged intel agency spying on American citizens nearly 20 years ago.
00:03:37.560 Russ, great to have you back with us.
00:03:39.700 More leaks. 0.99
00:03:40.480 And once again, the Biden regime looks incompetent, inept, 0.95
00:03:44.180 and given all that the country's been through with the intel agencies engaged in domestic politics, 0.89
00:03:50.880 this could be yet another incidence of what seems to be a worsening trend.
00:03:56.560 Your thoughts?
00:03:57.820 You've got to remember, Lou, that 20 years ago,
00:04:02.220 that ultimately when NSA started spying domestically en masse,
00:04:06.040 they were using programs that intentionally were not given the capability to have audit trails done within the system.
00:04:15.820 So by doing that, they were covering their tracks in case someone went in to try to find out what was going on.
00:04:21.540 They were ultimately doing their dirty work in the evenings when a whole lot of folks weren't at NSA.
00:04:26.320 And not too many people at NSA knew what was going on.
00:04:29.100 So basically, if you design a system to have the, or in some cases, they design systems to have flaws
00:04:41.760 so that we ourselves can dig in through a back door to gain access.
00:04:47.640 But there's an awful lot of hackers in this world that are very bright
00:04:51.060 that can use those same vulnerabilities that we intentionally put in software
00:04:55.880 to ultimately hack into the same software.
00:04:59.800 So by design, by trying to cover our own tracks, by doing something nefarious,
00:05:05.880 we ultimately create vulnerabilities that would allow someone to ultimately invade those systems.
00:05:15.840 And we have gone through a number of, it's interesting,
00:05:19.240 there have been fewer at least publicized major hacks of government networks and systems
00:05:25.620 in the last couple of years.
00:05:28.840 But we go back to the OPM, the Office of Personal Management hacks,
00:05:33.520 what was it, 30 million sets of personal data were stolen.
00:05:41.720 And the government didn't even know it.
00:05:43.920 Do you, what do you think the reason is we don't hear about that?
00:05:47.060 Have we finally figured out a way to defend those systems, those networks, those files?
00:05:52.440 Or are they simply not publicizing it?
00:05:57.840 Well, ultimately, a lot of hacks, most, matter of fact, most hacks are never mentioned in the press.
00:06:04.420 There are things that happen when, oh, you know, something happens and they say,
00:06:10.260 well, it was just an outage and they blame it on something, some sort of minor glitch or something.
00:06:17.800 But in fact, that outage was the result of a cyber attack.
00:06:23.220 But they're trying to cover their tracks or not allow the people to know because they don't want to panic for certain things,
00:06:31.880 especially when it comes to the financial systems being hacked into or power grids or things that are very important to our infrastructure.
00:06:42.320 There's a system called SCADA that runs an awful lot of our industrial manufacturing capabilities and things like water treatment plants and all kinds of other things.
00:06:57.820 And in years past, those systems have been vulnerable.
00:07:02.840 And I'm quite sure we've tried to shore up those vulnerabilities.
00:07:07.980 But in the case of OPM, and by the way, one of the things that were taken in OPM were people in the intelligence community's security applications
00:07:20.780 and all the security questions that you have to answer, so all the in-depth personal information of people like myself
00:07:29.840 and all of the other intel and national security folks that have had clearances is now in the possession up until that point of the Chinese communists,
00:07:41.020 which is not a very good thing.
00:07:44.300 And it's your sense that there is a certainty that it was the communist Chinese who did it? 0.55
00:07:50.780 Yes.
00:07:54.240 And again, there was no retaliation that we're aware of.
00:07:57.920 One of the very frustrating things about this is, of course,
00:08:00.820 the vulnerability of the systems of the very government that's supposed to protect us.
00:08:06.160 And a lot of questions about whether there are state actors or whether there are organized hackers,
00:08:12.520 but private groups, or I guess there would be hybrids like the Internet Research Bureau,
00:08:19.360 the Russian hacking group that has been successful and successful despite being somewhat well-known to the Western governments.
00:08:32.220 How can that be?
00:08:33.540 I mean, are we just simply in a state of perpetual learning attack and counterattack,
00:08:40.460 and simply it's a cyber world in which there is no defense?
00:08:45.520 Well, like an active battlefield, the cyber world is an active war zone, as is space, by the way.
00:08:57.200 Our battles take place all the time.
00:08:59.360 We've been fighting this for many years now.
00:09:01.740 I was more – I know a little bit about the cyber war because it lined into my space business,
00:09:09.360 but I know an awful lot about the space wars that have been going on, all in secret.
00:09:14.700 And, yes, it is a continual battle.
00:09:16.620 It's happening all the time.
00:09:18.300 And it is like anything else where someone designs a weapon to be able to take advantage of something.
00:09:24.340 Then we have to have a counterweapon to counter that.
00:09:26.800 Then there's counter-counterweapons developed to counter the counterweapon.
00:09:30.220 And it just gets monotonous to the point.
00:09:33.260 But that battle is taking place even as we're sitting here talking on the phone.
00:09:38.760 And the director of the NSA telling Congress now he's worried about TikTok.
00:09:42.960 He calls it a platform for surveillance.
00:09:44.840 But I was struck with the fact that he said that because we've known for a very long time,
00:09:51.680 as a matter of fact, during the Trump administration, the Trump administration made it known they did not like TikTok,
00:09:58.920 wanted to take it down as well as a number of other Chinese-based applications and programs and outlets.
00:10:09.140 This – being worried about TikTok as a platform for surveillance, it seems like,
00:10:14.840 there's nothing but surveillance going on nonstop, whether it be our government or other governments all around the world.
00:10:23.320 Your thoughts?
00:10:24.720 Well, all these applications that people put on their smartphones in particular,
00:10:30.240 how many people read the pages worth of information that tells them how they're going –
00:10:36.560 how that company is going to use their information or gather certain things.
00:10:41.460 Very few people read that stuff.
00:10:43.040 And in that, they give away their privacy just so that they can have, I don't know,
00:10:49.040 play some sort of computer game or, in this case, watch these silly TikTok things.
00:10:54.000 Now, people have the right to do – if they want to give away their privacy or even in ignorance, I guess that's their right.
00:11:05.700 In my opinion, I'm not really much for censorship, but I agree with President Trump that TikTok needs to be sold to a U.S. entity
00:11:16.640 and needs to be shored up so that that information can't be readily available to the People's Republic of China.
00:11:26.280 We're in sort of a quandary in this country, aren't we?
00:11:29.560 Because we're having discussions and debates in the public media about TikTok,
00:11:37.300 and TikTok has representatives crawling all over the nation's capital lobbying for its preservation
00:11:43.700 because they have 150 million customers here.
00:11:46.880 It's the most popular platform of its type.
00:11:51.200 And we know what the issues are.
00:11:54.100 It's surveillance.
00:11:55.080 They have the ability to take data from every single opportunity, that is, 150 million people.
00:12:03.480 And wherever they are, that's vulnerable as well.
00:12:06.000 And in national security, we don't seem to have an agency or a department or a president, certainly, who says,
00:12:13.340 no, this is simply a matter of national security.
00:12:15.960 Shut down your lawsuits.
00:12:17.720 Shut down your lobbying.
00:12:19.000 And I don't care how many of you squawk.
00:12:22.020 We're shutting it down because it is in the interest of national security
00:12:25.600 and the interest of preserving our way of life.
00:12:29.740 We have all these influencers that are out there with their TikTok signs and all this stuff.
00:12:36.260 And like you mentioned, it's quite a few folks, although I think a lot of them are too young to vote.
00:12:41.700 But, yes, it needs to be that avenue where the Chinese are able to use it as an intelligence mechanism,
00:12:51.160 needs to be shut down.
00:12:52.760 And both sides of the fence are the aisles, Democrat, Republicans.
00:12:57.280 I think a lot of them are starting to understand that.
00:13:00.460 I understand it.
00:13:01.620 I think so.
00:13:02.480 But at the same time, the fact that it's a process instead of an instant reflex,
00:13:07.320 that out of both concerns for national security or the security of Americans, American citizens,
00:13:15.040 it should be, it seems to me, to be a reflex.
00:13:18.120 They know the threats.
00:13:19.380 They know what is real.
00:13:20.400 And they know what the prospects are for what will happen to this country if we permit this.
00:13:25.960 It's the same thing as with Huawei and ZTE and any number of other Chinese companies,
00:13:33.980 all of them with one purpose in terms of their government and the CCP and the PLA,
00:13:40.840 that is to spy on America and to absorb as much of our technology and intellectual property as possible.
00:13:47.800 I want to turn to space, though, because this fascinates me.
00:13:51.000 It always has.
00:13:51.720 But your judgment on the level of combat in space, it may not be kinetic, but it is combat.
00:14:01.860 It is positioning.
00:14:03.120 It's strategy.
00:14:03.740 It is extraordinary what we're watching.
00:14:07.220 Amongst those was lasers, blue-green lasers coming down over Hawaii during the spy balloon incident.
00:14:16.120 Lasers from space bathing Hawaii from a Chinese satellite.
00:14:23.340 Your thoughts about that, and is it likely they'll go too far?
00:14:28.540 Well, Lou, you're getting into a field where I have to be very careful what I say.
00:14:36.480 One of the fields that I was very interested in and that I studied and worked with was the laser capabilities,
00:14:44.000 as well as every from light to the bottom of the spectrum.
00:14:48.780 Lasers are something that's happening in space, and it's a mechanism to potentially take out a satellite.
00:15:05.920 So I can tell you that lasers are very important in the battle that's happening in space right now.
00:15:13.040 So they're being used by both sides, and it's not the newest weapon, but it's been around for a little while.
00:15:26.900 But that battle is happening all the time, Lou.
00:15:29.500 And it's something that I think President Trump realized that.
00:15:37.220 He must have had the right briefings because when he set up the space command, I mean the separate service of the Space Force,
00:15:44.860 I was cheering that except for the fact that he didn't make it a purple service.
00:15:48.640 He made it under the Air Force.
00:15:49.800 But I think everyone's laughing at that.
00:15:54.300 You know, everyone's making jokes about, you know, President Trump wanted to join the space cadets or something.
00:16:01.380 But it is truly something that has to be dealt with.
00:16:07.300 And capabilities in space can be very pernicious.
00:16:11.660 And people, they need to understand that, that we need to fight that battle in space.
00:16:17.040 We need to fight the battle.
00:16:18.520 We also are fighting, we're also, of course, DARPA and every other part of the military-industrial complex of this country, one hopes, is working on advanced lasers.
00:16:31.100 The Chinese are rumored, and in some cases reported, to have highly advanced weaponized lasers.
00:16:39.240 Do you sense that there is a parity between China and the CCP, Communist China, in the area of laser weaponry?
00:16:54.880 Hmm.
00:16:55.120 I would say we still have the advantage there.
00:16:59.360 I'm certainly hoping.
00:17:00.680 Now, you know, you've got to realize I've been out of the business for a little while.
00:17:04.920 But, I mean, there are issues that come with, especially putting things in space like lasers,
00:17:09.720 because you have to generate an awful lot of power to do so.
00:17:13.200 So, basically, you either have to put a nuclear reactor in orbit, or you have to have one hell of a hole out of solar panels to be able to generate that kind of energy.
00:17:25.320 Even if you try to use mirrors, there are so many kind of atmospherics that are involved as far as, you know, trying to bounce something that makes that almost impractical.
00:17:35.020 But, these challenges are being worked on, and especially when it comes to space-to-space capabilities, it's a lot less of a problem when you have to go to and fro the atmosphere.
00:17:49.380 Space-to-space, you're talking about primarily contesting each power's satellites, low Earth orbit.
00:18:00.580 What are you speaking about there?
00:18:02.140 Well, space-to-space means, you know, if you put something in space designed to go after something else in space.
00:18:11.820 So, it's sort of like, you know, I send up my space troops to fight the other folks' space troops.
00:18:18.840 In this case, you know, put up something to take out a satellite.
00:18:22.020 Now, you mentioned that, you know, kinetics is not an issue.
00:18:28.040 Well, that's old school, because we had an anti-space, an anti-satellite missile back in the 80s.
00:18:39.820 It was launched from an F-15.
00:18:41.820 And since then, that system or that program, I think, has been disbanded.
00:18:50.160 But we've seen in the press that the Russians and the Chinese have since tested their own kinetic capabilities, basically being able to put something next to another satellite and explode a bunch of, you know, Balbarians or something to take out another satellite.
00:19:13.000 Now, it also, that causes a problem, because it creates an awful lot of space junk in our orbits.
00:19:19.480 And it's just not low orbits.
00:19:21.480 This can be done, there's different types of orbits, as I'm pretty sure you know.
00:19:24.740 There's the geo orbits, which are the ones that follow the track of the Earth, the geo orbits, which are designed these days to have communications in the northern hemisphere, and the polar, which are the ones that a lot of our spy satellites do that for cameras, electro-opticals.
00:19:44.460 And also, we have the meo orbits, the medium-high orbits that we use our GPS satellites for.
00:19:53.100 So, any one of those orbits could have something floating around to try to take out that system.
00:20:00.220 Now, it's not just kinetic.
00:20:01.920 It could be an electromagnetic pulse that could be a problem, where you just fry the systems by turning up the volume, basically.
00:20:12.280 And then we have some systems that are designed, we call it hardening.
00:20:17.020 So, we harden those systems.
00:20:18.840 But in the commercial world, and our military relies a whole lot on commercial satellites as well, those systems, it's expensive to harden a satellite.
00:20:29.020 In most cases, commercial satellites are not hardened.
00:20:31.420 Well, that's sobering, and I think everyone is aware that the GPS is a highly vulnerable system as well, that the military has its own GPS systems.
00:20:48.400 But for the rest of the world, I mean, we are in a vulnerable state now because of space, the potential of combat in space.
00:21:00.200 And, by the way, now with lasers reaching all the way to the moon, and some trying to create that as a staking a claim to fire a laser to the moon, I guess, and then, you know, etch your initials in it.
00:21:16.220 It gets to be quite interesting.
00:21:18.180 Elon Musk, with all of his Starlink satellites, and I don't know how many thousand he has up, but I know that it's a huge number.
00:21:25.180 Everyone is talking about space junk, as you just mentioned, and some of it came roaring to Earth here in the last few weeks, getting everyone's attention because of the bright lights and all that was witnessed across much of North America.
00:21:42.340 Your thoughts about that issue, and I realize we're far afield from the surveillance state, but I want to just get this question into you to get just your thinking on it because you know so much about it.
00:21:53.620 Well, any time you design a satellite, at some point, you're going to lose the capability to control that satellite.
00:22:02.540 There's a fuel called hydrazine that we use a lot to control or maneuver a satellite, and when that fuel source runs out, you kind of lose the ability.
00:22:14.640 There's gyroscopes and there's reaction wheels that are all designed to keep what's called the attitude of that satellite where it needs to be.
00:22:22.480 Any time someone says, I'm going to move the satellite or I'm going to move this or that or whatever, that takes energy from the satellite to blow these little jets on the hydrazine to move it here or there or change its attitude or angle of attack on something.
00:22:37.060 And basically, you're killing the shelf life of that satellite if you keep doing a whole lot of those maneuvers.
00:22:43.640 Ultimately, at the end of the day, when that satellite is ending its lifespan and you know that you won't have that capability, you're supposed to leave enough juice in the satellite
00:23:00.100 to be able to send that thing into a higher orbit where it won't come back to space or it won't come back to Earth and say, you know, a thousand years
00:23:10.060 or more likely to intentionally send that thing into the atmosphere so it'll burn up and hopefully, if there's anything left of it, land in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
00:23:25.700 Yeah, sufficient controlled reentry to avoid at least hopefully populated areas.
00:23:31.320 So let's turn to the surveillance state.
00:23:34.280 The GOP very upset with the Department of Justice, the trust issue on FISA reauthorization.
00:23:41.100 Garland pointing to China.
00:23:43.480 Suddenly, China is noticed by this Biden regime only when they see some threat to their spy powers.
00:23:51.240 Your thoughts about the issue of reauthorization of FISA by the Congress and Senate.
00:24:04.480 Well, that was the reauthorization under the 2008 FISA Amendment Act.
00:24:11.140 That's how we get 702.
00:24:13.920 And that's what they want to ultimately, was it every four or five years, I think they have to renew it.
00:24:21.240 But it's being abused as an explanation as to why we have to have this thing.
00:24:30.520 So basically, we're using China as the boogeyman to use Section 2 to spy domestically on American people. 0.97
00:24:39.500 It's foolish to me.
00:24:42.820 That has to be removed. 0.98
00:24:45.280 Actually, the whole FISA court, in my opinion, is worthless.
00:24:51.240 Well, it's certainly been a rubber stamp.
00:24:55.440 It has been markedly abused, as we've learned from the investigations of what the Justice Department, FBI, and intelligence agencies did to President Trump throughout their what is now seven years of political persecution.
00:25:08.300 I see no basis on earth, and I listen to some of the fatuous establishment chairs of various committees, and I'm not going to name names, but to suggest that this has got to be done.
00:25:21.660 It should be automatic, and you're not patriotic if you don't go along with it. 0.68
00:25:26.800 By the time you get through the 702 and the various sections of that act, let's just tear it all up and start again, because it is just disgusting.
00:25:46.000 What the NSA and other agencies have done to create this new surveillance state.
00:25:53.460 Your thoughts?
00:25:53.920 Well, for the longest time, and still to this day, the interpretation of some of these things is secret, just to know how they interpret how they're going to use the Section 215 under the Patriot Act,
00:26:10.700 or a 702 under the Feisman Amendment Act, or Executive Order 12333, which is another one that they're using to spy domestically on American citizens.
00:26:24.860 So they try to keep this thing as esoteric as possible to make sure that no one knows what's going on.
00:26:32.800 Now we know from Edward Snowden that the FISA court did the rubber stamp on a generic general warrant to access all of Verizon's customers domestically.
00:26:48.820 So, of course, you know, that's what I've been saying for many years, so I have to thank Mr. Snowden for confirming with NSA's own documents that this has been going on,
00:27:01.120 which ultimately is why they want Mr. Snowden's head on a platter so badly.
00:27:05.920 But they do want his head on a platter, and they don't always acknowledge, as they say, make those insinuations that they want his head on a platter.
00:27:16.240 They don't always say exactly why his revelations warrant some of the, I would call it, energy that they want to put behind returning him.
00:27:28.260 But also Julian Assange, who has been, I think it's a travesty that what has happened to the man,
00:27:36.820 that the United States has not been able to come to terms and say to the American people, what is the deal here?
00:27:43.980 There's something going on with Julian Assange that we're not being told.
00:27:47.420 And so much is involved concerning WikiLeaks, the documents and the information and the data that has been posted in WikiLeaks and their affiliated websites.
00:27:59.780 We are at a point in this country where we have got to return, it seems to me, Russ, to a transparent society where we talk openly.
00:28:12.460 There are some things, of course, that have to be secret.
00:28:15.900 But the failings and the issues of violating our rights under the Constitution,
00:28:21.760 that's a reach well too far to suit my judgment of what America is all about.
00:28:29.320 Of course, that's correct.
00:28:31.920 As far as Mr. Assange, he basically gave an avenue for people to put information out to the world
00:28:41.980 about the abuses and the illegalities and the unconstitutional acts that are taking place in our country.
00:28:48.060 My gosh, the government can't allow that to happen because all of a sudden the people will be aware of how corrupt that our government is.
00:29:02.040 So they had to come after him and shut that avenue down.
00:29:09.080 And it's interesting that he's a citizen of Australia, if I recall.
00:29:13.780 He's not an American citizen.
00:29:15.800 Ultimately, they had to shut him down.
00:29:17.180 You just can't have people with the ability to upjump over the supposed internal oversights in their organizations,
00:29:29.200 which, by the way, are only designed to put a rope around their neck
00:29:32.140 and make sure that the management knows that they have a problem with someone.
00:29:36.120 You know, I hate to see the man in the situation that he is
00:29:40.480 because what he was doing is something that I think should be heartfelt for every American,
00:29:45.200 and that is putting information before the American people.
00:29:50.200 You know, we remember Daniel Ellsberg in 19, I guess it was 1970, 71,
00:29:57.220 with the Pentagon Papers when we found out all of the corruption
00:30:01.520 that had been the U.S. relationship in Vietnam over two decades.
00:30:09.580 To find out what we did at that point about that war meant that that war had to end.
00:30:16.500 It was a corrupt war.
00:30:18.000 It was an evil war.
00:30:19.420 And the people who conducted it were, to me, there's just no excuse for what they did.
00:30:26.800 And so many lives lost, particularly American.
00:30:30.180 Yes, I'm parochial.
00:30:31.080 Well, since I became a whistleblower myself, I've actually become friends with Mr. Ellsberg.
00:30:45.760 Okay.
00:30:47.620 Actually, I've spent time, one night I spent the night at his home
00:30:51.140 when I was going to give a speech at a university in San Francisco.
00:30:56.560 And I've spent hours with him talking about these issues.
00:31:01.820 Me and him are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
00:31:05.080 He's kind of a liberal fellow, and I'm more on the conservative side.
00:31:08.620 But we both agree that we need to have mechanisms where, I mean,
00:31:15.200 we're getting into a war where we're spending billions and trillions of dollars
00:31:21.400 and having our young men come back with their legs and arms blown off 0.99
00:31:26.400 for an idiotic reason, in most cases just so that the warmongers can make outrageous profits, 0.98
00:31:36.440 that this is something that the left and the right, I think, can come together on. 0.99
00:31:41.140 Although these days we're seeing the Democrats cheering for war with, you know, in Ukraine and other places.
00:31:51.660 So some of these people, the same hippies that were marching in the 60s,
00:31:55.160 which I find to be very ironic.
00:31:57.840 It's ironic, and it's also tragic, because the Marxist dims, the communist dims,
00:32:04.600 as they've become, are totalitarian.
00:32:07.040 They want conformity.
00:32:08.860 They do not want freedom of expression.
00:32:11.240 They want to shut down free speech.
00:32:13.080 They want to shut down opposing views.
00:32:15.440 They want conformity.
00:32:17.360 They want unanimity.
00:32:19.120 And they will not tolerate dissenting voices, which, in this case,
00:32:23.840 the dissenting voices are more than half the American people.
00:32:27.640 And it's a difficult time.
00:32:31.200 But you offer some hope here, Russ,
00:32:33.500 when you mentioned that the left and the right, conservatives and liberals,
00:32:38.000 should be able to come together, certainly, over both the national interest
00:32:42.220 and the insistence that our government honor the public's right to know.
00:32:48.740 And we thank you, Russ, for doing all that you've done for honoring that right
00:32:54.380 and at great personal cost to you.
00:32:57.520 Russ, we'll continue this conversation.
00:32:59.920 I hope next week will be convenient to you.
00:33:04.080 I thoroughly enjoy them.
00:33:05.680 The audience enjoys it.
00:33:07.600 We learn much.
00:33:09.160 And I thank you, my friend.
00:33:11.340 I certainly look forward to that, Lou.
00:33:13.460 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.
00:33:15.980 Russ Tice rejoins us next week as we continue to examine why these Pentagon leaks occurred,
00:33:22.760 why they're still happening a decade after Edward Snowden,
00:33:26.240 and what have we learned from it all, next week, right here on The Great America Show.
00:33:32.240 Our guest tomorrow is Joe McBride, attorney for a number of the January 6th defendants
00:33:36.920 on the outrage of the Biden regime still holding many Americans as political prisoners.
00:33:43.280 That's here tomorrow.
00:33:44.340 Please join us.
00:33:45.500 Till then, God bless you and God bless America.