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00:00:30.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for being with us

00:00:36.520 today. We're going to take a closer look today at why President Obama suddenly decided to show up

00:00:42.760 in public. And we have to ask a number of questions. Among those questions, did he perhaps

00:00:48.540 go in front of TV cameras for a softball interview just to distract from the release of the Durham

00:00:54.780 report and its contents? Or was he actually selling donors on his foundation? Who knew

00:01:01.380 he had one, really? And was he in fact signaling that he was eager to establish himself as the

00:01:08.260 new ultimate arbiter of truth in American politics and media? A dark enough motive in this age of

00:01:15.640 Marxist-dim disinformation, but there may be an even darker possibility. We'll examine today whether

00:01:23.280 his sudden public appearance could be linked to what were a number of White House meetings back

00:01:28.840 in 2016 and which involved a series of discussions about a Hillary Clinton plan to stop President Trump's

00:01:37.200 election that year. And we take up and examine who knew about that plot and whether President Obama

00:01:45.200 himself was involved from the very beginning in what came to be known as the Russia collusion hoax.

00:01:52.280 So here we are. Please be patient with me as we go through the possibilities today.

00:01:58.580 We'll start with President Obama's decision to come out of the shadows this week to address

00:02:03.880 something that is troubling him deeply. Whatever could that be? Perhaps our southern border that

00:02:10.880 is former vice president is now turned over to the Mexican drug cartels. Or perhaps Mr. Obama is

00:02:17.560 deeply troubled that hundreds of thousands of Americans are being killed by the deadly fentanyl drug

00:02:23.720 that is pouring across that border with ingredients made in China. Or perhaps President Obama is finally

00:02:31.280 ready to come clean and acknowledge just who is really running this government. That in fact,

00:02:38.080 it is his third term as president. That may be true, but no, he didn't admit it yet.

00:02:45.020 Here's the answer, as President Obama himself put it, when he sat down with CBS in a taped interview

00:02:51.720 this week. And here, in his own words now, is what really deeply troubles him.

00:02:58.060 Post-presidency, what about this country keeps you up at night?

00:03:01.640 The thing that I'm most worried about is the degree to which we now have a divided conversation.

00:03:14.680 In part, because we have a divided media, right? So I'm much older than you, Nate.

00:03:21.540 You don't look it, though.

00:03:23.200 That's what I was fishing for.

00:03:24.320 But when I was coming up, you had three TV stations.

00:03:29.600 Yeah.

00:03:30.060 And people were getting a similar sense of what is true and what isn't, what was real and what was

00:03:36.140 not. Today, what I'm most concerned about is the fact that because of the splintering of the media,

00:03:42.740 we almost occupy different realities. If something happens in the past, everybody could say,

00:03:48.240 all right, we may disagree on how to solve it, but at least we all agree that, yeah, that's an issue.

00:03:53.460 Now, people will say, well, that didn't happen, or I don't believe that.

00:03:56.960 And one of, I think, the goals of the Obama Foundation and one of the goals of my post-presidency

00:04:03.720 is how do we return to that common conversation?

00:04:07.260 So there's President Obama, whose chief worry isn't about this corrupt government.

00:04:13.260 It's not about electoral integrity nor Communist China's aggression, no.

00:04:18.140 Mr. Obama is deeply troubled about a divided media with different realities.

00:04:24.180 It's actually amusing, don't you think?

00:04:26.520 No, it's actually downright fun to hear Obama say that what keeps him up at night is, in fact,

00:04:32.320 a big part of his own presidential legacy, division.

00:04:37.260 A divided media, a divided nation.

00:04:40.520 It's a strong reminder of just who the divider-in-chief really is.

00:04:45.320 In the final year of Obama's presidency, we watched the unfolding of the Clinton plan

00:04:50.760 to stop Donald Trump, the biggest election scandal in American presidential history.

00:04:56.140 And we watched as Obama's Justice Department and FBI carried out a conspiracy to set up

00:05:02.780 and block Trump's presidential candidacy under the false pretext of Russia collusion,

00:05:08.760 a conspiracy organized by the campaign of Obama's former Secretary of State

00:05:13.880 to assure that she, Hillary Clinton, would succeed Obama in the White House.

00:05:19.040 And when Trump confounded the odds and won,

00:05:22.040 that conspiracy of Marxist Dems and the deep state worked tirelessly to overthrow President Trump.

00:05:29.800 Thanks to the Durham report out this week,

00:05:32.860 we know that Barack Obama and his vice president, Joe Biden,

00:05:36.220 were briefed in 2016 by then-CIA Director John Brennan

00:05:41.320 that the CIA had evidence of Hillary Clinton's plans

00:05:45.480 to link then-candidate Trump to a fake Russia collusion story.

00:05:50.960 The Durham report said the intelligence came from a, quote,

00:05:54.140 quote, highly significant intelligence from a trusted foreign source

00:05:58.880 pointing to the Clinton campaign plan to vilify Trump

00:06:02.980 by tying him to Vladimir Putin so as to divert attention from her own concerns

00:06:09.140 relating to her use of a private email server, end quote,

00:06:14.520 that from what was termed a highly significant intelligence source.

00:06:19.520 This all under the watchful eye of President Barack Obama,

00:06:24.020 who was briefed in the White House on the conspiracy,

00:06:27.480 a conspiracy actually carried out by his lieutenants,

00:06:30.980 and at least his implicit approval, it seems to me,

00:06:34.500 now seven-plus years later,

00:06:37.060 Mr. Obama with the audacity to say

00:06:39.520 he's deeply troubled by different realities and a divided media.

00:06:44.840 Chairman James Comer, who is leading the investigation

00:06:47.780 of the Biden crime family,

00:06:50.100 joined me on the Great America Show last week,

00:06:52.720 and Chairman Comer gave me his judgment

00:06:54.880 on whether he thinks President Obama

00:06:57.360 knew what his vice president was involved in

00:07:00.660 over that last year of the Obama presidency.

00:07:04.740 Everyone assumed it was because he was gaff-thrown

00:07:07.340 or because of his age.

00:07:08.580 I believe, Lou,

00:07:10.540 that it was because he knew what Joe Biden was doing

00:07:13.500 during the last year of his vice presidency.

00:07:15.740 He knew his son was no good,

00:07:19.060 and he knew this was nothing but a political liability,

00:07:22.440 not just for our country,

00:07:24.300 not just for the Democratic Party,

00:07:25.440 but for Barack Obama's legacy,

00:07:27.320 because a lot of this happened

00:07:28.640 during the Obama administration.

00:07:31.700 So I think that's why Obama didn't want

00:07:34.580 Joe Biden to run for president.

00:07:36.260 I think it's because they knew about this,

00:07:38.060 and remember, a lot of these cover-ups

00:07:39.880 would have happened during the Obama administration

00:07:42.680 with Obama appointees in these deep state bureaucracies.

00:07:47.960 So, you know, this would be a great question

00:07:49.940 for President Obama.

00:07:51.440 Were you aware of what was going on with Joe Biden

00:07:54.840 with respect to foreign policy

00:07:56.380 in some of these ragtag countries around the world?

00:08:01.000 And I think Obama knows more than we first realized.

00:08:06.180 Our guest today is Attorney Bud Cummins.

00:08:09.420 Bud is the former U.S. Attorney

00:08:11.060 for the Eastern District of Arkansas.

00:08:13.800 In 2018, Bud alerted then-New York U.S. Attorney Jeff Berman

00:08:17.980 in an email explaining that there was evidence

00:08:21.520 that Joe Biden was exercising influence

00:08:24.480 to protect Hunter Biden.

00:08:27.140 Five years ago,

00:08:28.580 but the DOJ and FBI,

00:08:30.720 you may not be surprised to learn,

00:08:33.140 declined to investigate.

00:08:34.480 Bud, welcome.

00:08:36.360 It's great to have you with us here

00:08:37.500 on The Great America Show.

00:08:39.120 I want to start with,

00:08:40.500 how is it that you came to approach

00:08:42.000 the U.S. Attorney in New York

00:08:44.180 about evidence of corruption

00:08:46.100 on the part of the Bidens?

00:08:48.580 I was asked,

00:08:50.360 probably because I still had

00:08:53.300 former colleagues from my service in DOJ

00:08:56.020 who had risen to, you know,

00:08:58.440 some fairly high levels

00:09:00.000 in the Attorney General's office

00:09:01.380 and in some of the U.S. Attorney's offices.

00:09:05.240 I was asked to try to arrange

00:09:06.900 a secret meeting, essentially,

00:09:08.960 where the Prosecutor General of Ukraine,

00:09:12.380 Mr. Lutsenko,

00:09:13.880 had a desire to come to the U.S.

00:09:15.960 and make a, you know,

00:09:19.200 private presentation,

00:09:20.720 a confidential presentation

00:09:21.760 to the highest levels of DOJ possible

00:09:25.420 to present actual evidence

00:09:28.560 to support allegations of corruption

00:09:32.020 that were basically in two categories,

00:09:34.480 and we drilled down,

00:09:35.480 but one of them,

00:09:36.440 one of them was that

00:09:37.440 some of the information

00:09:40.200 that kind of started

00:09:41.200 the Paul Manafort investigation

00:09:42.920 that U.S. officials

00:09:44.460 had asked Ukrainian officials

00:09:46.480 to alter certain documents,

00:09:49.340 and then the second general category

00:09:51.400 was the one we've heard about

00:09:53.160 quite a bit lately,

00:09:55.500 Hunter Biden's payments

00:09:56.720 from a company called Burisma,

00:09:59.620 and specific allegations

00:10:03.040 that some of the money

00:10:03.940 was to go to Joe Biden.

00:10:06.460 Well, those had to pique your interest.

00:10:09.120 What year was this now?

00:10:10.500 This is in,

00:10:12.060 I was asked right after Labor Day

00:10:15.020 in 2018,

00:10:16.120 and I kind of made the attempts

00:10:19.160 to arrange the meeting in October,

00:10:20.760 and by the end of October 2018,

00:10:23.140 I pretty much backed off.

00:10:26.680 Yeah, the reason I ask,

00:10:28.380 obviously,

00:10:29.240 is that this is the Trump administration

00:10:31.940 during that period.

00:10:33.920 There are all of the strains

00:10:36.340 that exist between Ukraine

00:10:38.020 and the Trump White House,

00:10:40.080 as well as we've already,

00:10:43.300 all of us,

00:10:43.780 seen that famous video

00:10:45.460 of Joe Biden

00:10:46.460 bragging about prosecution,

00:10:49.280 getting rid of a prosecutor,

00:10:51.260 and if that doesn't happen,

00:10:53.520 getting rid of a billion dollars

00:10:54.960 for the Ukraine.

00:10:56.640 It was contemporaneous

00:10:59.300 with all of that.

00:11:01.120 What was your reaction

00:11:02.300 when your former associates,

00:11:05.300 our friends,

00:11:06.600 called you to arrange

00:11:07.760 this meeting?

00:11:09.920 Well,

00:11:10.560 it was actually

00:11:12.200 some Ukrainian-connected people

00:11:13.840 that asked me.

00:11:14.640 It was bad.

00:11:15.280 They did ask me

00:11:16.100 because it was,

00:11:18.000 you know,

00:11:18.840 told to them

00:11:19.500 that I had the kind

00:11:20.440 of connections

00:11:20.940 that might be useful

00:11:22.800 to make the meeting,

00:11:24.240 but when they came to me

00:11:26.860 and laid it out,

00:11:27.560 I certainly wasn't,

00:11:28.800 you know,

00:11:29.900 knowledgeable

00:11:30.920 about the politics

00:11:32.300 in Ukraine.

00:11:33.800 I didn't really know

00:11:34.780 the history

00:11:35.200 of the Obama administration's

00:11:36.780 activity in Ukraine.

00:11:38.300 I certainly didn't know

00:11:39.180 who these various individuals were.

00:11:41.340 The names, frankly,

00:11:42.340 are kind of difficult,

00:11:43.460 you know,

00:11:44.140 for an American

00:11:44.720 to get his mouth around.

00:11:47.100 And so I just tried

00:11:48.620 to understand them

00:11:49.340 the best I could,

00:11:50.260 did my own independent research

00:11:51.740 to try to put it

00:11:52.480 in perspective a little bit,

00:11:54.240 really, frankly,

00:11:55.180 just determine

00:11:55.720 if I thought it was plausible

00:11:58.420 or, you know,

00:11:59.300 people come to you

00:12:01.360 with some pretty crazy stuff

00:12:03.420 and sometimes you're willing

00:12:04.600 to help

00:12:04.900 and sometimes you're not.

00:12:06.780 Everything they told me

00:12:08.380 seemed to be plausible

00:12:10.900 and I thought it was something

00:12:13.100 that if I were

00:12:13.700 at the Department of Justice,

00:12:14.860 I would want to evaluate.

00:12:17.380 So I did go forward

00:12:18.840 and make the offer

00:12:19.660 when they declined

00:12:21.580 to, you know,

00:12:22.460 look at it.

00:12:24.400 I assumed

00:12:25.460 one of three things.

00:12:28.160 One, I thought,

00:12:29.280 well, maybe they're

00:12:29.900 already investigating this

00:12:31.160 and they don't want me

00:12:32.140 conflict, you know,

00:12:32.920 they don't need

00:12:33.460 my outside interference

00:12:35.800 or two,

00:12:37.220 maybe they,

00:12:38.460 instead of going back

00:12:39.180 through me,

00:12:39.660 they just said,

00:12:40.300 okay, let's go directly

00:12:41.380 to Mr. Lutsenko

00:12:42.360 and arrange this

00:12:43.120 and cut butt out

00:12:44.020 because he's not part

00:12:44.920 of the Department of Justice

00:12:45.780 anymore or three

00:12:47.520 that they didn't want

00:12:48.840 to look at it

00:12:49.360 for political reasons.

00:12:50.260 I really kind of felt

00:12:51.260 in my gut

00:12:51.820 it was the third

00:12:52.760 but I really didn't know

00:12:54.160 and, and I,

00:12:55.880 out of respect

00:12:56.900 for the organization

00:12:58.560 and the system,

00:12:59.440 I backed off,

00:13:00.280 you know,

00:13:00.480 I had media contacts,

00:13:03.060 I had political contacts

00:13:04.400 and, you know,

00:13:05.900 I could have gone

00:13:06.580 and tried to make it,

00:13:07.620 you know,

00:13:07.980 connected to these people

00:13:09.080 so they could make

00:13:09.800 these allegations publicly

00:13:10.980 but I just didn't think

00:13:12.440 that was the right thing

00:13:13.140 to do.

00:13:14.240 Were you,

00:13:15.000 the people who came to you,

00:13:16.300 were they,

00:13:16.520 I mean,

00:13:16.740 did you have a working

00:13:17.720 relationship,

00:13:18.540 a professional relationship,

00:13:19.860 were you representing them

00:13:21.100 or lobbying

00:13:21.640 with them?

00:13:23.880 No,

00:13:24.380 they had come,

00:13:25.760 I was doing some legal work

00:13:27.500 for another person

00:13:30.260 who,

00:13:31.120 who suggested

00:13:32.760 they come see me

00:13:33.840 and so,

00:13:35.220 I didn't know them,

00:13:36.780 I didn't know,

00:13:37.440 I didn't know about them.

00:13:39.320 One of them was,

00:13:40.500 had dual citizenship,

00:13:41.900 was an American

00:13:42.500 and Ukrainian,

00:13:43.780 Ukrainian,

00:13:44.580 the other two

00:13:45.160 were Ukrainian,

00:13:46.440 former or

00:13:48.220 maybe at the time

00:13:50.240 present government

00:13:51.240 officials

00:13:51.760 and they,

00:13:53.480 they represented to me

00:13:54.480 that they spoke

00:13:55.280 on behalf of the

00:13:56.160 prosecutor general.

00:13:57.980 Right,

00:13:58.100 and Lachinko,

00:13:59.940 a controversial figure

00:14:01.640 even then

00:14:02.380 and his relationships,

00:14:05.280 everyone keenly aware

00:14:07.240 with the Biden administration

00:14:08.700 and the Ukrainian government,

00:14:11.620 the accusation

00:14:13.020 that was being made,

00:14:14.280 did they provide you,

00:14:15.720 did they describe to you

00:14:16.840 the evidence

00:14:17.500 that they had

00:14:18.660 against,

00:14:19.740 well,

00:14:20.480 involving either

00:14:21.740 Paul Manafort

00:14:23.120 and the role

00:14:24.560 of the government

00:14:26.480 in its dealings

00:14:28.340 with Manafort

00:14:29.020 or

00:14:29.960 the,

00:14:31.380 the evidence

00:14:32.220 of the Burisma

00:14:33.000 relationship

00:14:33.720 with Hunter Biden

00:14:34.640 and

00:14:35.360 as they

00:14:37.280 avowed

00:14:38.500 with Joe Biden

00:14:40.140 himself?

00:14:41.260 Only in the most

00:14:42.300 general terms,

00:14:42.940 they said they had

00:14:43.700 some ledgers

00:14:44.420 and,

00:14:44.720 you know,

00:14:45.520 wire transfer records

00:14:46.900 and things like that.

00:14:48.560 Documentary evidence,

00:14:49.420 the kind of documentary evidence

00:14:50.680 you would expect

00:14:51.440 that would document

00:14:52.360 transfers of money

00:14:53.740 to certain people.

00:14:54.800 But they also said

00:14:55.960 that they had eyewitnesses,

00:14:57.620 people who were

00:14:58.400 told to transfer the money

00:14:59.860 and told why they were

00:15:00.820 being transferred the money

00:15:01.820 and,

00:15:02.740 or that they were being asked

00:15:03.600 to transfer money

00:15:04.240 and being told

00:15:05.100 who the,

00:15:06.640 who was going to get the money,

00:15:07.880 including Joe Biden.

00:15:09.140 And they had people that

00:15:10.580 were supposedly going

00:15:13.840 to be willing

00:15:14.860 to testify

00:15:15.500 about

00:15:16.280 U.S. officials

00:15:18.060 pressuring them

00:15:18.900 to,

00:15:19.260 to alter

00:15:20.140 evidence related

00:15:21.400 to Paul Mayer.

00:15:22.460 And,

00:15:23.140 and who else?

00:15:24.720 Hunter Biden

00:15:25.680 as well

00:15:26.440 indicated to you,

00:15:28.200 was it indicated

00:15:29.220 to you that Hunter Biden

00:15:30.200 would be receiving

00:15:31.120 that money?

00:15:32.200 Any of Hunter's

00:15:33.040 business partners?

00:15:34.600 Yes.

00:15:35.100 Hunter was central

00:15:36.000 to the story

00:15:36.660 as was

00:15:37.220 Devin Archer,

00:15:39.360 Christopher Hines,

00:15:41.360 John Kerry's

00:15:42.320 stepson was in the story.

00:15:44.380 And,

00:15:44.620 but also Joe Biden

00:15:46.560 was specifically mentioned.

00:15:48.120 But it was mostly

00:15:49.140 a story about

00:15:49.860 Hunter Biden's activities,

00:15:51.920 collecting money.

00:15:54.640 But,

00:15:54.720 but as I understood

00:15:56.860 it,

00:15:57.100 one witness was going

00:15:58.100 to say that he was

00:15:58.960 specifically told

00:16:00.040 that one transfer

00:16:01.380 was Joe's piece of it.

00:16:04.560 So who did you take

00:16:06.260 take the,

00:16:07.580 if you will,

00:16:08.060 the,

00:16:08.340 the evidence to,

00:16:10.100 the suggestion

00:16:10.600 of that evidence?

00:16:11.760 Who did you approach

00:16:12.880 for investigation

00:16:14.800 in the U.S.

00:16:15.700 Attorney's Office?

00:16:16.460 Well,

00:16:16.540 the short answer

00:16:17.080 is I went to

00:16:17.560 the Southern District

00:16:18.220 of New York,

00:16:19.000 the U.S. Attorney

00:16:19.760 in the Southern District

00:16:20.580 of New York,

00:16:21.280 which as you know,

00:16:21.960 is the largest

00:16:23.160 U.S. Attorney's Office

00:16:24.500 of the 94

00:16:25.160 judicial districts

00:16:27.040 of the country.

00:16:29.740 You know,

00:16:30.300 stepping back a little bit,

00:16:31.300 if you'll think back

00:16:32.120 to the fall of 2018,

00:16:35.060 the man,

00:16:35.380 you know,

00:16:36.160 said,

00:16:36.760 the Democrats

00:16:37.540 had intentionally

00:16:38.380 and knowingly

00:16:39.460 presented the government

00:16:40.980 with false information

00:16:42.180 that led to the Russia probe.

00:16:44.300 Right.

00:16:44.660 Mueller,

00:16:45.200 Sessions had recused.

00:16:48.700 Rob Rosenstein

00:16:50.960 was,

00:16:51.360 was in charge

00:16:52.760 of the Russia probe.

00:16:54.020 He'd appointed Mueller.

00:16:55.640 I think we were

00:16:56.260 about six months

00:16:57.040 out from the Mueller report.

00:16:59.340 And so,

00:17:00.020 the Democrats

00:17:00.640 had succeeded

00:17:01.300 in basically

00:17:02.160 turning DHA

00:17:03.860 on its head.

00:17:04.760 It wasn't functioning.

00:17:06.800 They didn't know

00:17:07.520 which way to go

00:17:08.180 because they were

00:17:08.720 being accused

00:17:09.380 of everything.

00:17:11.060 And,

00:17:11.160 you know,

00:17:12.800 so I just felt like

00:17:14.500 even though

00:17:15.000 that I was asked

00:17:15.860 to arrange

00:17:16.280 a meeting

00:17:17.020 with Sessions,

00:17:18.220 that that was

00:17:18.760 a non-starter

00:17:19.580 based on the environment

00:17:20.840 that I knew existed

00:17:21.880 over there

00:17:22.360 at that time.

00:17:23.720 And so,

00:17:24.400 I just felt

00:17:24.900 this was such

00:17:25.540 a politically charged

00:17:26.680 allegation

00:17:27.420 that it would be

00:17:28.440 better sooner

00:17:29.040 just to take

00:17:29.900 to a,

00:17:31.220 you know,

00:17:32.020 U.S. Attorney's Office

00:17:33.740 where they're supposed

00:17:34.440 to just block

00:17:35.100 and tackle

00:17:35.580 and do their job

00:17:36.500 every day.

00:17:37.840 And so,

00:17:38.900 because Devin Archer

00:17:40.260 was in the story,

00:17:41.200 he was under indictment

00:17:42.360 at that time

00:17:42.980 on an unrelated matter

00:17:44.820 in Southern District

00:17:45.640 of New York.

00:17:46.220 So,

00:17:46.340 I thought it was logical

00:17:47.400 to take it

00:17:48.980 to Southern District

00:17:49.800 of New York

00:17:50.280 because they actually

00:17:51.520 had a defendant

00:17:52.720 that was motivated

00:17:53.660 to help himself

00:17:54.340 that might be able

00:17:55.100 to quickly corroborate it

00:17:56.380 or,

00:17:56.640 you know,

00:17:57.840 help them debunk it.

00:17:58.920 So,

00:17:59.140 I thought that

00:17:59.600 was a logical place.

00:18:01.620 It also,

00:18:02.640 by then,

00:18:03.080 was starting

00:18:03.500 to get the reputation

00:18:04.560 of the place

00:18:05.300 that evidence

00:18:05.920 and truth

00:18:06.480 go to die.

00:18:08.680 It was just

00:18:09.660 a highly politicized,

00:18:12.160 actually,

00:18:12.740 at that point,

00:18:13.440 it seemed more politicized

00:18:15.060 than the D.C.

00:18:17.200 U.S. Attorney's Office.

00:18:20.400 Is that the way

00:18:20.980 you remember it?

00:18:21.620 It's the way I do.

00:18:22.720 Well,

00:18:23.160 Jeff Berman

00:18:23.720 was a Trump appointee,

00:18:25.420 and I knew Jeff,

00:18:26.840 you know,

00:18:27.200 but not well,

00:18:28.560 but I was acquainted

00:18:29.460 with him,

00:18:30.040 and I assumed

00:18:31.380 that he would,

00:18:33.540 you know,

00:18:34.360 if I went directly

00:18:35.320 to him,

00:18:35.960 that he would see

00:18:36.700 that it got,

00:18:37.820 you know,

00:18:39.000 kind of a neutral analysis

00:18:40.340 and that they would

00:18:41.620 follow through.

00:18:43.060 I,

00:18:43.480 you know,

00:18:43.720 I can't tell you

00:18:44.520 what Jeff's reaction

00:18:45.800 to it was

00:18:46.500 or if he helped kill it

00:18:47.680 or if the FBI,

00:18:49.380 I mean,

00:18:49.500 I know of other instances

00:18:51.200 where I believe

00:18:53.160 the FBI

00:18:53.840 has just intentionally

00:18:56.200 slow-walked

00:18:57.340 or killed

00:18:57.820 an investigation

00:18:58.740 rather,

00:19:00.940 even over the objections

00:19:02.820 or the intentions

00:19:03.740 of the U.S. Attorney.

00:19:04.900 So,

00:19:05.680 it could have,

00:19:06.560 it could have been that,

00:19:07.180 but I wasn't there.

00:19:07.760 I don't know,

00:19:08.260 I don't know what happened

00:19:09.100 internally.

00:19:09.600 I just know

00:19:10.080 that I offered them

00:19:10.980 what should have been

00:19:12.220 some pretty interesting evidence

00:19:13.780 in a public corruption company

00:19:16.240 that their,

00:19:16.920 public corruption case

00:19:18.560 that allegedly went to

00:19:20.640 pretty high levels

00:19:21.440 of government

00:19:21.880 and they didn't

00:19:22.780 seem to be interested.

00:19:23.920 Well,

00:19:24.400 we've learned one thing

00:19:25.220 over the years,

00:19:26.040 haven't we?

00:19:26.620 It is pretty hard

00:19:27.820 to get the FBI

00:19:28.860 to investigate

00:19:30.080 Hunter Biden

00:19:31.280 or Joe Biden

00:19:32.940 and they're protecting somebody

00:19:35.320 and we're going

00:19:36.060 to take that up

00:19:36.960 with Bud Cummins

00:19:38.200 when we continue

00:19:39.020 in just a moment

00:19:39.920 about just who

00:19:41.400 is being protected.

00:19:43.380 Who are they covering up for?

00:19:45.260 Because it is clear

00:19:46.380 they are.

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00:20:47.380 We're back now.

00:20:50.540 We're talking with

00:20:51.280 Attorney Bud Cummins.

00:20:53.120 Bud,

00:20:53.360 we're talking about

00:20:54.440 the hesitancy,

00:20:56.100 it seems,

00:20:56.580 of the federal investigators

00:20:58.260 and prosecutors

00:20:59.540 to go anywhere near

00:21:01.640 Joe Biden.

00:21:03.160 He is,

00:21:04.220 it looks to me at least,

00:21:05.980 the most protected person,

00:21:08.000 certainly in government.

00:21:09.680 and it appears

00:21:11.840 that

00:21:12.340 Hunter Biden

00:21:14.840 enjoys the same level

00:21:16.180 of protection.

00:21:17.280 Did such thoughts

00:21:18.400 ever occur to you?

00:21:20.500 Well,

00:21:21.040 yes.

00:21:21.760 And,

00:21:22.160 you know,

00:21:22.720 honestly,

00:21:23.400 Lou,

00:21:24.020 if Hunter Biden

00:21:24.840 is never held accountable

00:21:25.960 for,

00:21:26.540 you know,

00:21:27.000 its various,

00:21:28.880 you know,

00:21:29.240 obvious acts

00:21:30.980 of misconduct,

00:21:32.520 you know,

00:21:32.800 I'm not going to lose

00:21:33.400 any sleep over that.

00:21:34.560 You know,

00:21:34.940 I don't wish for anybody

00:21:36.000 to be in jail.

00:21:36.860 I wish that

00:21:37.400 every,

00:21:38.400 everybody that's,

00:21:39.400 you know,

00:21:39.900 violates the law,

00:21:41.120 I think that the system

00:21:43.040 is supposed to

00:21:43.800 investigate,

00:21:45.040 produce the truth

00:21:45.960 and require accountability,

00:21:47.900 whatever that looks like.

00:21:48.880 But I think there's

00:21:49.800 a much bigger question

00:21:50.780 and that,

00:21:51.280 that is,

00:21:52.280 how far

00:21:53.120 are we going to get

00:21:53.940 into this

00:21:54.540 before we just say

00:21:56.300 there's a dual system

00:21:58.120 of justice

00:21:58.540 in this country?

00:21:59.220 It's totally politicized

00:22:00.700 and people have totally

00:22:01.800 lost confidence in it.

00:22:03.260 I think that's

00:22:04.020 not just problematic.

00:22:05.500 I think it's,

00:22:06.580 it's one of the most

00:22:08.040 serious problems

00:22:09.360 that could happen

00:22:10.420 in this country.

00:22:11.000 And I think it,

00:22:11.840 frankly,

00:22:12.600 has happened.

00:22:14.080 Yeah,

00:22:14.640 I was,

00:22:15.260 I'm glad you said that

00:22:16.040 because I,

00:22:17.120 I'm one of those people

00:22:18.120 that doesn't,

00:22:18.780 I don't believe

00:22:19.560 there's a two,

00:22:20.500 two-tier system

00:22:21.500 of justice.

00:22:22.380 I don't believe

00:22:23.400 that there is

00:22:24.220 anything other

00:22:25.780 than one system

00:22:27.320 of justice

00:22:27.980 and that is

00:22:30.100 for the Marxist Dems

00:22:32.140 who lead the Democrat Party

00:22:33.700 who are the masters

00:22:35.200 of this puppet president

00:22:36.520 and the rest of us,

00:22:39.220 regular Americans,

00:22:42.260 moderates,

00:22:43.320 conservatives,

00:22:44.100 independents,

00:22:45.000 Republicans,

00:22:46.180 you know,

00:22:46.480 good luck

00:22:47.080 if you get ensnared

00:22:48.200 in one of the jurisdictions

00:22:49.880 of the Marxist left

00:22:51.120 and no better example

00:22:52.940 of it

00:22:53.260 than the January 6th

00:22:54.460 political prisoners

00:22:55.220 who still suffer

00:22:56.160 to this very day

00:22:57.260 from what has been

00:22:58.500 just an onerous

00:23:02.640 and vicious prosecution

00:23:05.340 on part of the Department

00:23:06.780 of Justice,

00:23:07.940 viciousness on the part

00:23:09.580 of the investigators

00:23:10.620 of the FBI

00:23:11.460 and the,

00:23:12.560 and the over-sentencing

00:23:14.100 of the federal judiciary

00:23:15.540 is a stain

00:23:17.240 that will remain forever

00:23:19.260 on this country's

00:23:21.240 court system.

00:23:21.960 Your thoughts?

00:23:23.320 Yeah,

00:23:23.640 well,

00:23:24.000 I mean,

00:23:24.340 you know,

00:23:24.620 you use the terms

00:23:25.340 Marxist and Lou,

00:23:26.200 you know,

00:23:26.520 I was a congressional

00:23:27.340 candidate 25 years ago.

00:23:29.360 I'm a,

00:23:29.800 I'm a pretty conservative guy

00:23:31.420 and I imagine

00:23:31.940 your audience

00:23:32.480 is pretty conservative,

00:23:33.320 but,

00:23:34.240 you know,

00:23:34.600 a lot of us

00:23:35.140 don't want to be

00:23:35.820 labeled as right-wing nuts,

00:23:38.800 you know,

00:23:39.120 going around

00:23:39.680 accusing everybody

00:23:41.680 of being a commie

00:23:42.600 and,

00:23:42.980 you know,

00:23:43.180 for years,

00:23:43.800 I would have avoided

00:23:44.720 those kind of labels.

00:23:47.680 I also,

00:23:48.440 you know,

00:23:48.660 as conservative as I am,

00:23:50.380 I've also worked

00:23:51.160 in government,

00:23:51.600 so I kind of consider myself

00:23:53.040 a practical conservative.

00:23:55.020 It's not enough

00:23:55.960 just to say,

00:23:56.600 you know,

00:23:56.920 government shouldn't be

00:23:58.040 doing all these things

00:23:59.700 and shouldn't socialize.

00:24:02.580 If you're going to be

00:24:03.500 in government,

00:24:04.080 you've got to run

00:24:04.540 the government we have

00:24:05.600 and so you've got to accept

00:24:06.840 that there is a social security system

00:24:08.540 and it needs to run well

00:24:09.520 and there is a VA

00:24:10.980 and et cetera.

00:24:11.720 So I don't,

00:24:12.940 you know,

00:24:13.100 my point is

00:24:14.320 I've never considered

00:24:14.980 myself a conspiracy nut

00:24:16.320 or a right-wing,

00:24:17.400 you know,

00:24:17.880 hardcore,

00:24:19.140 but look,

00:24:20.320 I went to school,

00:24:22.400 I've read a little history,

00:24:23.440 I think we all have,

00:24:25.240 in every country

00:24:26.480 where Marxism

00:24:27.320 has taken hold,

00:24:29.480 it starts with suppression

00:24:31.020 of free speech,

00:24:32.340 you know,

00:24:32.780 check that box

00:24:33.660 in the United States.

00:24:35.280 It starts with monkeying

00:24:37.220 with election integrity,

00:24:38.920 check that box

00:24:39.720 in the United States.

00:24:41.040 It includes

00:24:42.600 a massive propaganda machine

00:24:44.760 that's,

00:24:45.180 you know,

00:24:45.880 facilitated by corrupt media

00:24:47.820 where they can announce

00:24:49.620 that the border's secure

00:24:50.980 while you're watching

00:24:52.060 with your own eyes

00:24:53.160 10,000 people

00:24:54.520 across the border,

00:24:55.540 you know,

00:24:55.760 check that box.

00:24:56.720 And in all the countries

00:24:59.200 they start investigating

00:25:00.340 their political opponents

00:25:01.360 and they prosecute.

00:25:03.080 And you can check

00:25:05.360 that box too

00:25:06.100 because it's happening,

00:25:07.260 it's happened.

00:25:08.680 And so,

00:25:09.340 you know,

00:25:09.820 they also water down

00:25:11.440 national security

00:25:12.400 and they're doing that

00:25:13.820 with the open border

00:25:14.760 and everything else.

00:25:15.800 The only thing

00:25:16.380 that I haven't seen yet

00:25:17.500 really that I think

00:25:18.940 goes along with

00:25:19.760 executing the Marxist plan

00:25:21.760 is you start

00:25:22.880 exiling people

00:25:23.820 and I don't know

00:25:24.460 that they,

00:25:25.100 you know,

00:25:25.380 I may be on a boat

00:25:26.340 by tomorrow

00:25:27.080 but I think we all,

00:25:29.040 the thing that people,

00:25:30.600 people get this,

00:25:31.460 they come up to me

00:25:32.120 all the time

00:25:32.680 and they say

00:25:33.240 how concerned they are.

00:25:34.940 But you know what?

00:25:35.520 Nobody really knows

00:25:36.460 what to do.

00:25:37.360 They watch these people

00:25:38.440 get over prosecuted

00:25:39.880 for January 6th.

00:25:41.180 I'm a former prosecutor.

00:25:42.300 I don't know

00:25:42.600 what to do to help them.

00:25:43.760 I respect the system.

00:25:44.900 I respect the authority

00:25:45.820 of my government.

00:25:46.800 It's been taken over

00:25:47.920 and politicized.

00:25:49.760 So at what point,

00:25:50.640 what's the day

00:25:51.260 I'm supposed to stand up

00:25:52.460 and say, you know,

00:25:54.080 I've had enough

00:25:54.720 and I'm not going

00:25:55.300 to take anymore.

00:25:56.020 What's that look like?

00:25:56.920 And people ask me

00:25:57.720 that all the time.

00:25:58.660 What can we do?

00:26:00.400 And that's where

00:26:01.240 we need to spend our,

00:26:02.400 the case is made.

00:26:04.780 Our government's

00:26:05.520 been weaponized.

00:26:06.580 It's been politicized.

00:26:07.780 Not just the Department

00:26:08.680 of Justice,

00:26:09.320 Department of State.

00:26:10.160 51 people

00:26:10.940 in the intelligence community

00:26:12.340 signed a very political

00:26:13.420 false letter.

00:26:14.900 It's been weaponized.

00:26:16.140 What are we supposed

00:26:16.800 to do about it

00:26:17.480 and what day do we start?

00:26:18.960 And that's the big question.

00:26:20.060 Yeah, I think you framed

00:26:22.040 that exactly correctly

00:26:23.540 and I couldn't agree

00:26:24.500 with you more.

00:26:25.780 I would add one thing.

00:26:28.040 The Marxist

00:26:29.120 Democrat Party

00:26:31.480 have made it very clear

00:26:34.180 that they mean

00:26:35.620 to destroy

00:26:36.180 the American family.

00:26:38.380 It's not an accident

00:26:39.500 that simultaneously

00:26:40.440 in our courts,

00:26:42.380 in our judiciary,

00:26:44.980 our prosecutors,

00:26:46.000 they're willing to frame

00:26:47.480 a president

00:26:48.240 into the United States,

00:26:49.400 which is exactly

00:26:50.180 what they did.

00:26:52.360 There's just no equivocation.

00:26:54.140 There's no ambiguity

00:26:54.840 about this.

00:26:56.440 There are no blurred

00:26:57.460 but bold lines anywhere.

00:27:00.320 It's just straightforward

00:27:01.220 in our faces.

00:27:02.840 They tried

00:27:03.500 to frame

00:27:04.300 a president

00:27:04.980 of the United States.

00:27:06.880 They nearly,

00:27:07.440 they did get away with

00:27:08.760 for a time

00:27:09.500 framing

00:27:10.160 as national security advisor.

00:27:12.840 And still,

00:27:13.820 they go on.

00:27:14.660 And still,

00:27:15.200 not a single person

00:27:16.220 who committed crimes

00:27:18.300 in so doing

00:27:19.220 in the FBI,

00:27:21.280 the Department of Justice,

00:27:23.040 they haven't been held

00:27:24.660 to account

00:27:25.280 at all.

00:27:26.600 And you talk about

00:27:27.740 what is the big question

00:27:29.220 is when do I say

00:27:30.560 I'm not going

00:27:31.200 to take this anymore?

00:27:32.700 I've got to tell you,

00:27:33.780 I can't,

00:27:34.620 I've never taken a poll

00:27:35.820 of my audience

00:27:36.760 or most Americans.

00:27:38.980 I'm a guy

00:27:39.600 who believes fervently

00:27:40.560 in middle class America.

00:27:42.980 It's where

00:27:43.760 the American dream

00:27:45.300 burns brightest.

00:27:46.540 It's where everyone

00:27:47.580 works and strives

00:27:48.820 to get to.

00:27:50.000 But the middle class

00:27:51.100 in this country

00:27:51.640 is looking out there

00:27:52.540 going,

00:27:52.880 where in the world

00:27:53.580 are our defenders,

00:27:55.900 our champions?

00:27:57.120 Where are those

00:27:58.280 that we can count on

00:27:59.320 to lead this nation

00:28:00.240 with integrity

00:28:00.940 and with courage

00:28:02.320 and fidelity

00:28:04.220 to our founding values?

00:28:06.420 You tell me

00:28:06.960 where they are

00:28:07.700 because they're not

00:28:09.520 in this administration.

00:28:10.340 And there's too many,

00:28:12.040 you know,

00:28:12.320 there are some

00:28:12.880 dedicated Marxists.

00:28:14.480 There just are.

00:28:15.120 I mean,

00:28:15.240 I saw on a headline

00:28:16.200 this morning

00:28:16.720 that one of AOC's

00:28:17.880 staff members

00:28:18.500 is now the head

00:28:19.420 of the Communist Party

00:28:20.480 in New York.

00:28:21.680 So there you go.

00:28:23.660 There it is.

00:28:24.520 You don't have to,

00:28:25.340 you don't have to,

00:28:27.060 it's not very subtle.

00:28:28.340 They're communists.

00:28:29.260 They're Marxists.

00:28:30.340 But there are

00:28:31.980 so many people

00:28:33.340 that are electing

00:28:34.640 these people

00:28:35.340 that are just

00:28:36.240 willing idiots,

00:28:37.340 you know,

00:28:37.680 and they're elitists.

00:28:39.900 They're afraid

00:28:41.560 to be wrong.

00:28:42.760 They're afraid

00:28:43.200 to be accused

00:28:44.100 of false accusations

00:28:46.060 of not caring

00:28:47.060 for the poor

00:28:47.940 or racism

00:28:49.200 or, you know,

00:28:50.820 single mothers

00:28:53.620 or whatever it is

00:28:55.120 that they're trying

00:28:55.760 to accuse you of today.

00:28:57.960 And they're so scared

00:28:59.080 of that

00:28:59.540 that they get

00:29:00.580 on the wrong side

00:29:01.280 and they just,

00:29:02.100 they have to come around

00:29:03.960 and understand

00:29:05.040 what's at stake

00:29:05.840 because it used to be

00:29:07.820 we argued

00:29:08.620 with what we thought

00:29:10.300 was the left

00:29:10.880 about changes

00:29:13.260 in our system

00:29:14.100 of government,

00:29:14.840 our democracy,

00:29:15.840 our economic system.

00:29:17.040 But now we're dealing

00:29:17.840 with a party

00:29:19.680 that represents

00:29:20.380 half the country

00:29:21.260 that wants to do away

00:29:22.900 with our system

00:29:23.800 and start a new system.

00:29:25.300 And they're being

00:29:26.360 successful at it

00:29:27.720 and if they get

00:29:28.240 far enough in it,

00:29:29.620 the show's going

00:29:30.100 to be over

00:29:30.560 before you get

00:29:31.320 to say anything.

00:29:31.900 Yeah, we're getting

00:29:33.520 very close, I think,

00:29:34.460 to that point, Bud.

00:29:35.840 And we're talking

00:29:37.160 about borders right now.

00:29:38.440 We're watching

00:29:38.880 millions of people,

00:29:40.060 millions of people

00:29:41.800 crossing that border

00:29:43.620 without,

00:29:44.580 with an invitation

00:29:45.540 from Joe Biden himself.

00:29:47.280 And we have a group

00:29:48.840 of people

00:29:49.260 so intimidated

00:29:50.300 in this country.

00:29:51.500 There's only one group

00:29:52.880 that won't say

00:29:54.040 the word Marxist

00:29:55.040 when talking about

00:29:56.200 the so-called

00:29:58.700 party of loyal opposition.

00:30:00.140 And we're going to talk

00:30:01.460 about that group

00:30:02.280 here next

00:30:03.480 and why they haven't

00:30:04.700 the courage

00:30:05.160 to say the word Marxist

00:30:06.580 when they know very well

00:30:08.300 what the Democrat Party

00:30:10.160 has become.

00:30:11.260 We're talking

00:30:12.140 with Bud Cummins.

00:30:13.500 Stay with us.

00:30:14.280 We'll be right back.

00:30:16.020 The Great America Show

00:30:17.000 continues.

00:30:23.580 We're back now

00:30:24.540 talking with Bud Cummins.

00:30:25.880 We're talking about

00:30:26.920 a group, Bud,

00:30:27.940 that is afraid

00:30:29.640 you know,

00:30:30.180 we we know

00:30:31.000 the Democrats now

00:30:31.940 they're not afraid

00:30:32.560 to say communists.

00:30:34.100 They're not afraid

00:30:34.580 to say Marxists

00:30:35.460 because they

00:30:36.020 they've made it clear

00:30:37.300 who they are.

00:30:38.280 They're trying to

00:30:39.140 destroy the family.

00:30:40.080 They've destroyed

00:30:40.640 the border.

00:30:41.240 They've turned over

00:30:42.020 the border actually

00:30:43.340 to the operational

00:30:44.280 control of the

00:30:45.320 Mexican drug cartels.

00:30:46.980 No, no doubt about it.

00:30:49.140 Joe Biden is compromised.

00:30:50.860 He is right in line

00:30:52.980 with Xi Jinping

00:30:53.860 and the Chinese Communist Party.

00:30:56.920 But the people

00:30:58.260 who seem to be

00:30:58.980 very hesitant

00:30:59.760 to say Marxist

00:31:01.600 are Republicans.

00:31:04.580 And the Republicans

00:31:05.780 have such a fear

00:31:08.280 of the word

00:31:09.060 and plain and straight talk.

00:31:11.220 I've never seen

00:31:12.220 the like of it, Bud.

00:31:13.860 Even during the days

00:31:15.520 of, you know,

00:31:16.820 moderate Republicans

00:31:18.120 leading in the White House,

00:31:20.260 there still were,

00:31:21.460 you know,

00:31:21.660 there was still

00:31:22.180 the room for straight talk.

00:31:23.960 one of the great

00:31:25.520 American values.

00:31:26.520 This country used

00:31:27.180 to be known

00:31:27.680 for its innovation,

00:31:28.640 its ingenuity,

00:31:29.820 its plain spoken,

00:31:32.060 straight up,

00:31:33.240 straightforward,

00:31:34.200 you know,

00:31:35.480 conduct as citizens

00:31:36.900 or as a government.

00:31:38.620 We're far,

00:31:39.500 far from that now,

00:31:40.440 aren't we?

00:31:41.480 Right.

00:31:42.020 And that,

00:31:42.380 I mean,

00:31:42.560 we started out

00:31:43.280 talking about Hunter Biden

00:31:44.380 and like I said,

00:31:45.800 Hunter Biden's

00:31:46.400 not particularly important

00:31:47.300 but himself,

00:31:48.480 but there used to be

00:31:50.120 some measure.

00:31:51.720 And you and I

00:31:52.300 are old enough

00:31:52.740 to remember me.

00:31:53.540 I'm not so naive

00:31:55.340 to think that the media

00:31:56.400 was totally neutral

00:31:57.600 back in the Walter Cronkite days.

00:31:59.720 But in those days,

00:32:01.740 if you got caught lying,

00:32:03.140 if Joe Biden

00:32:04.220 got caught lying

00:32:05.340 or plagiarizing his speech,

00:32:07.480 he was outed,

00:32:08.420 embarrassed in the media.

00:32:09.540 There was some accountability.

00:32:10.840 There was public accountability.

00:32:12.400 You got shamed.

00:32:13.660 You had to resign from a job.

00:32:15.600 You had to do whatever.

00:32:17.460 And there's,

00:32:18.820 now we've,

00:32:20.320 they figured out

00:32:21.280 that there is no accountability.

00:32:23.280 Yep.

00:32:23.880 Did Hunter Biden

00:32:24.600 take millions

00:32:25.580 and millions of dollars

00:32:26.620 from some of the worst people?

00:32:28.360 Keep in mind,

00:32:29.020 by the way,

00:32:29.440 in this story,

00:32:30.640 the guy that was paying

00:32:31.460 Hunter Biden

00:32:32.140 was a guy named

00:32:32.820 Mikhail Slychevsky.

00:32:35.900 He wasn't,

00:32:37.480 he was an oligarch

00:32:38.520 that was widely known

00:32:40.180 to be corrupt.

00:32:41.020 He was a pro-Russian guy.

00:32:42.960 Hunter was working

00:32:43.500 for the Russians,

00:32:44.280 not the Ukrainians,

00:32:45.220 not the people that,

00:32:46.360 you know,

00:32:46.580 some people were hanging

00:32:47.340 the flag out their window

00:32:48.380 and wanting to send

00:32:49.140 more money to.

00:32:50.300 He was working

00:32:50.980 for the Russians

00:32:51.780 in this.

00:32:53.340 But there's no accountability.

00:32:54.640 And,

00:32:55.100 and,

00:32:55.540 and then,

00:32:57.040 you know,

00:32:57.540 they're,

00:32:57.800 they're prosecuting people

00:32:59.060 all over this country

00:33:00.200 where there's circumstantial evidence

00:33:02.080 of them taking money

00:33:03.080 in government positions

00:33:04.000 where it could be legal,

00:33:05.700 but they're just accusing them

00:33:07.080 of having corrupt intent.

00:33:08.180 Nobody's ever explained to me

00:33:10.640 what a legitimate reason

00:33:12.520 to give Hunter Biden

00:33:13.620 a million dollars would be.

00:33:15.700 What service he could provide.

00:33:18.460 Nobody's even,

00:33:19.240 there's so little accountability.

00:33:20.720 They haven't even been forced

00:33:21.880 to do that.

00:33:22.640 There's so little accountability.

00:33:23.940 Nobody's gone to Obama

00:33:25.180 and said,

00:33:26.140 did you know Hunter Biden

00:33:27.840 was out there taking money

00:33:29.000 when you put Joe Biden

00:33:30.400 in charge of Ukraine

00:33:31.760 on behalf of your administration?

00:33:33.500 When he fired this prosecutor,

00:33:35.220 was that a,

00:33:35.820 was that a Obama administration policy?

00:33:39.060 Was that discussed

00:33:39.920 at the State Department?

00:33:40.880 Are there memorandums

00:33:42.560 backed up that decision

00:33:44.140 that that was a widely held decision?

00:33:46.780 Or is that just something Joe did

00:33:47.900 and told you about it later?

00:33:49.840 I mean,

00:33:50.420 there's no accountability.

00:33:51.900 You don't have,

00:33:52.820 you know,

00:33:53.060 you wouldn't have to be Sherlock Holmes

00:33:54.400 to ask those questions,

00:33:55.460 but nobody's asking.

00:33:57.020 Well,

00:33:57.620 actually,

00:33:58.100 I did ask that question

00:33:59.340 of James Comer

00:34:00.160 and what did Obama know?

00:34:05.000 And,

00:34:05.120 and James Comer,

00:34:06.740 who chairs,

00:34:07.340 as you know,

00:34:07.820 the House Oversight Committee,

00:34:08.980 and I think most people do now,

00:34:10.940 he said he believes

00:34:13.020 that he did know.

00:34:14.140 And I,

00:34:14.880 and I really,

00:34:15.800 and I also ask him,

00:34:16.800 how in the world

00:34:17.440 could you have

00:34:18.120 these millions of dollars

00:34:19.200 moving around

00:34:20.060 with the vice president

00:34:21.940 of the United States,

00:34:23.260 his family name

00:34:24.240 on all of these

00:34:25.180 the suspicious activity reports

00:34:28.720 by the banks,

00:34:29.860 by I think,

00:34:30.660 I think the last number

00:34:31.960 that the chairman Comer gave me

00:34:33.680 was 170 of them

00:34:35.280 all pertaining to the Bidens.

00:34:37.500 That's a big deal.

00:34:38.860 So why in the world

00:34:39.960 would the secret service

00:34:41.000 not know what's going on?

00:34:42.360 The treasury department

00:34:43.280 not know,

00:34:44.100 know what's going on.

00:34:45.740 They documented,

00:34:47.100 Lou,

00:34:47.320 that the state department

00:34:48.300 immediately upon Hunter Biden's

00:34:50.300 appointment to this board,

00:34:51.620 the state department

00:34:52.560 expressed concern about it

00:34:54.560 and expressed concern

00:34:55.540 about the,

00:34:56.160 you know,

00:34:56.440 because they've been whips

00:34:57.780 on the poor Ukrainians,

00:34:59.300 the dangling money

00:35:00.080 over their heads

00:35:00.740 but demanding they fire

00:35:02.140 this guy

00:35:02.680 and do this

00:35:03.260 and do that

00:35:03.940 and this,

00:35:05.380 but mainly about,

00:35:06.700 you know,

00:35:06.980 saying you have

00:35:07.940 a corrupt country,

00:35:08.760 you have to get

00:35:09.440 on top of this corruption

00:35:10.600 and they expressly,

00:35:12.880 they expressed concerns

00:35:14.220 that was totally ignored

00:35:15.700 about Hunter

00:35:18.100 getting on that board

00:35:19.400 and taking that money.

00:35:21.000 Christopher Hines,

00:35:22.080 John Kerry's stepson

00:35:24.500 was in this story

00:35:25.500 and for some reason

00:35:26.580 right about that time

00:35:27.560 he failed out.

00:35:29.000 He got away from him.

00:35:30.660 But John Kerry

00:35:31.580 later on denied

00:35:33.740 he knew anything about it

00:35:34.940 and it's documented

00:35:36.160 that the state department

00:35:37.080 briefed him immediately

00:35:38.220 leave when Hunter

00:35:39.320 joined that board.

00:35:40.880 I think that

00:35:41.680 Christopher Hines

00:35:42.860 and John Kerry

00:35:43.540 are a little smarter

00:35:44.240 than the Bidens

00:35:44.820 and they figured out

00:35:45.800 they needed to back off

00:35:46.820 of that.

00:35:47.920 Yeah,

00:35:48.160 I think you're right

00:35:49.920 and I'm not sure

00:35:51.600 that that isn't faint praise,

00:35:53.440 frankly,

00:35:54.320 to suggest

00:35:55.320 they're kind of hard.

00:35:56.200 Not a high bar.

00:35:57.800 But I do want to go

00:35:59.980 to that issue

00:36:00.760 and that is

00:36:01.820 where was

00:36:03.380 the FBI

00:36:04.540 and the entire

00:36:06.980 intelligence community

00:36:08.420 under Obama.

00:36:09.500 Not only are they

00:36:10.660 putting together

00:36:11.680 disinformation,

00:36:13.880 Russian disinformation,

00:36:14.820 it isn't.

00:36:15.800 It was Obama disinformation.

00:36:18.960 That 51 signatories

00:36:20.800 on that letter

00:36:22.100 claiming Russian information

00:36:24.200 had only one point

00:36:25.840 and that point was

00:36:26.980 to intervene

00:36:27.540 in the election of 2020

00:36:28.820 and they did it.

00:36:29.680 They changed history.

00:36:31.080 And there's,

00:36:31.580 as you said,

00:36:32.240 no accountability.

00:36:33.380 And I want to get

00:36:34.740 your sense too

00:36:35.680 as a former

00:36:36.720 federal prosecutor.

00:36:39.040 Why in the world,

00:36:41.480 why in the world

00:36:42.320 wouldn't there be

00:36:43.200 an investigation?

00:36:44.460 How much pressure

00:36:45.180 do you believe

00:36:46.380 there would have to be

00:36:47.420 for a U.S. attorney

00:36:48.820 not to prosecute

00:36:49.920 over the period

00:36:50.500 of six years

00:36:51.280 Hunter Biden?

00:36:53.460 I don't really know

00:36:54.520 what the definition

00:36:55.180 of the deep state is,

00:36:56.220 but it's alive

00:36:57.200 and well in the management

00:36:58.180 of the FBI.

00:36:59.380 And I,

00:36:59.880 you know,

00:37:00.620 I can't

00:37:01.620 necessarily

00:37:03.020 pin Chris Wray

00:37:04.700 or whoever,

00:37:05.460 whoever else,

00:37:06.320 but,

00:37:06.700 but it's been a problem

00:37:08.100 and they have

00:37:08.900 a cultural problem.

00:37:10.160 They have a management

00:37:11.040 problem and it needs,

00:37:13.180 I,

00:37:14.180 there's a new president.

00:37:15.880 I would advise him

00:37:17.300 to either shut it down.

00:37:18.920 The FBI,

00:37:20.020 I don't know

00:37:20.740 that we need it.

00:37:21.780 It'd be better

00:37:22.500 to not have it

00:37:23.220 than to have this,

00:37:24.180 but it certainly

00:37:24.840 needs to be rebuilt

00:37:25.780 from the ground up.

00:37:26.720 I investigated Republicans.

00:37:29.640 I investigated Democrats.

00:37:31.440 It's not that hard

00:37:32.520 to do it fairly.

00:37:34.100 You know,

00:37:34.620 you make sure

00:37:35.560 your investigative team

00:37:36.680 is kind of represented

00:37:37.700 politically

00:37:38.800 so you keep

00:37:40.720 each other honest.

00:37:41.620 You keep your mouth shut.

00:37:42.720 You don't leak.

00:37:43.520 You go see

00:37:44.040 if there's anything to it.

00:37:45.180 If there is,

00:37:45.660 you make a case.

00:37:46.620 If there's not,

00:37:47.400 you fold your pen

00:37:48.260 and you go off quietly

00:37:49.220 in the night.

00:37:49.800 You don't slander their name.

00:37:51.060 That's how you're supposed

00:37:51.860 to do it.

00:37:52.220 John Ashcroft,

00:37:53.660 incidentally,

00:37:54.280 I want to tell you

00:37:54.900 this story.

00:37:55.340 John Ashcroft,

00:37:56.540 when I became

00:37:57.100 a U.S. attorney

00:37:57.620 and he gave this,

00:37:58.640 you had to meet with him

00:37:59.700 before you could finalize

00:38:01.020 the appointment process.

00:38:02.700 And that talk

00:38:03.440 was about

00:38:04.160 him looking you

00:38:05.200 in the eye

00:38:05.560 one-on-one

00:38:06.300 and saying,

00:38:07.640 you know,

00:38:07.880 he said to me,

00:38:08.720 Bud,

00:38:09.280 I've been in politics.

00:38:10.560 I've been a governor.

00:38:11.220 I've been a senator.

00:38:11.880 I've been very political.

00:38:12.980 I see in your resume

00:38:13.980 you've been involved

00:38:14.760 in a lot of politics.

00:38:15.640 He said,

00:38:15.860 that's great.

00:38:16.900 But he said,

00:38:18.400 I've studied the history

00:38:19.540 of the Department of Justice

00:38:20.520 and every time

00:38:21.380 they've been,

00:38:22.540 you know,

00:38:22.920 hurt their name

00:38:23.680 is because

00:38:24.320 they didn't

00:38:25.160 recognize

00:38:25.900 where the line

00:38:26.720 is to not get involved

00:38:27.820 in politics.

00:38:28.840 And he said,

00:38:29.260 if you don't understand

00:38:30.060 that,

00:38:30.400 you will not be here

00:38:31.200 working for me very well.

00:38:33.100 And he meant it

00:38:33.880 and he was right.

00:38:35.120 You have to have

00:38:35.860 that ability

00:38:36.500 to hang

00:38:37.980 that part of your life

00:38:39.820 outside the door

00:38:41.080 when you go to work.

00:38:42.420 And these people

00:38:43.300 have completely lost.

00:38:44.620 And I think the American

00:38:46.280 people,

00:38:47.000 to your point earlier,

00:38:48.420 have lost all faith

00:38:49.980 in and trust in.

00:38:51.900 And by the way,

00:38:52.440 I think appropriately so.

00:38:54.320 The Department of Justice,

00:38:55.740 the FBI,

00:38:56.940 they are so compromised,

00:38:59.800 politically corrupt.

00:39:01.640 It's pervasive.

00:39:02.720 It is deep

00:39:03.500 and I think intractable.

00:39:04.660 And I don't know

00:39:05.440 what will be required

00:39:06.480 to expunge

00:39:07.420 the evil

00:39:09.240 that has been done

00:39:10.360 within the vaunted

00:39:12.080 Department of Justice

00:39:12.980 and the FBI.

00:39:14.460 But it's going to take,

00:39:15.600 I think,

00:39:16.020 a great deal.

00:39:17.840 To that point,

00:39:19.920 the idea that

00:39:21.720 we are watching

00:39:23.020 whistleblowers

00:39:23.740 and informants

00:39:24.560 to the House

00:39:25.300 Investigation Committee

00:39:26.480 quote-unquote

00:39:27.580 vanish.

00:39:30.020 This is deeply concerning.

00:39:31.800 I would think

00:39:32.560 to every American

00:39:33.660 when the chairman

00:39:35.580 of the House

00:39:36.280 Oversight Committee

00:39:36.940 says we're looking

00:39:37.700 for these

00:39:38.200 and informant,

00:39:39.740 we're looking

00:39:40.060 for whistleblowers

00:39:40.880 who were with us

00:39:41.700 and now have vanished.

00:39:44.260 This is rising

00:39:45.640 to a level

00:39:46.220 beyond anything

00:39:47.000 we've seen before.

00:39:48.320 There's intimidation

00:39:49.460 and then there is

00:39:51.240 a level of criminality

00:39:53.480 that could extend

00:39:54.940 to violence.

00:39:56.720 Yep.

00:39:57.480 Well,

00:39:58.200 look,

00:39:59.600 Lou,

00:40:01.560 two,

00:40:02.260 three,

00:40:02.600 four generations

00:40:03.420 of American kids

00:40:04.460 have been taught

00:40:04.940 that Richard Nixon

00:40:05.700 was the most corrupt

00:40:06.600 person to ever

00:40:07.220 serve as president.

00:40:08.460 The Watergate

00:40:09.060 was a national scandal

00:40:10.380 that almost took us

00:40:11.780 to the brink

00:40:12.420 and I would challenge

00:40:14.580 somebody to go back

00:40:15.560 and go through

00:40:16.120 the actual

00:40:17.540 affirmative acts

00:40:18.600 that were committed

00:40:19.380 and some wrongdoing

00:40:20.360 clearly

00:40:20.900 by Richard Nixon

00:40:23.600 himself

00:40:24.080 and his moronic

00:40:25.380 staff

00:40:26.780 that led to

00:40:27.680 a dumb burglary

00:40:29.000 and,

00:40:29.300 you know,

00:40:30.780 a cover-up.

00:40:31.860 But it was all

00:40:33.700 committed

00:40:34.200 outside of government.

00:40:36.160 They didn't use

00:40:37.080 the government

00:40:37.700 to do this stuff.

00:40:38.580 This was campaign stuff.

00:40:40.660 And as I recall

00:40:41.720 or as my understanding

00:40:42.680 of it,

00:40:43.140 it was only

00:40:43.760 when he went

00:40:44.260 to the CIA

00:40:44.900 and tried

00:40:45.580 to get them

00:40:46.140 to get involved

00:40:46.900 and help him

00:40:47.520 that the Republicans

00:40:48.640 gave up on him

00:40:49.440 and said,

00:40:49.760 you've got to resign.

00:40:50.980 I mean,

00:40:51.220 it was that sensitive

00:40:52.200 that he had,

00:40:53.220 they learned

00:40:53.820 that he had tried

00:40:54.460 to use the government

00:40:55.340 for political purposes.

00:40:57.080 How do you contrast

00:40:57.920 that to what we've seen

00:40:59.160 in the last five,

00:41:00.180 six,

00:41:00.500 eight years?

00:41:02.280 It's,

00:41:02.960 these people

00:41:03.980 have taken

00:41:04.700 government agencies

00:41:06.140 and weaponized them

00:41:08.020 and used them

00:41:08.960 in ways

00:41:09.840 that are so much

00:41:10.680 more serious

00:41:11.260 than a dumb burglary

00:41:12.420 and some,

00:41:13.480 you know,

00:41:13.680 the guy that was

00:41:14.220 in charge of campaign

00:41:15.160 signs at the

00:41:15.840 Democratic National Committee.

00:41:17.160 So,

00:41:18.260 you know,

00:41:18.740 but ask your grandson

00:41:21.180 who's the most corrupt

00:41:23.180 president

00:41:23.600 in the American history

00:41:24.580 and he's going to say

00:41:25.080 Richard Nixon

00:41:25.560 because that's what

00:41:26.160 they've been taught.

00:41:27.660 Right.

00:41:28.320 Well,

00:41:28.980 and all they're being

00:41:29.880 taught right now

00:41:30.640 is just about everything

00:41:31.980 they're being taught

00:41:32.660 right now

00:41:33.220 is of concern

00:41:34.140 to nearly every family.

00:41:36.740 But that's a subject

00:41:37.780 for another day.

00:41:39.100 But what do we do

00:41:39.920 and when do we do it?

00:41:40.860 That's the question.

00:41:42.580 What are we supposed

00:41:43.240 to do about it

00:41:44.040 and what day

00:41:45.020 do we know to do it?

00:41:46.020 And nobody seems

00:41:46.840 to know the answer.

00:41:48.020 Well,

00:41:48.340 I have to confess

00:41:49.180 I'm one of those people

00:41:50.240 who does not know.

00:41:51.820 I know that

00:41:52.800 we have a group

00:41:54.420 of people

00:41:54.900 in our Congress

00:41:55.700 for the first time

00:41:56.700 who actually mean

00:41:58.300 to get that question answered.

00:41:59.820 They're doing their best

00:42:00.660 to answer it

00:42:01.360 and I want to say

00:42:02.500 and I want to give

00:42:03.080 great credit

00:42:03.640 to Congressman Jim Jordan

00:42:05.960 and to Congressman James Comer

00:42:07.880 who are leading that fight.

00:42:09.780 These are two

00:42:10.520 exceptional talents

00:42:12.840 and patriots

00:42:14.460 in exactly the right place

00:42:16.780 at the right moment

00:42:17.660 in our history.

00:42:18.460 So I just want to

00:42:19.880 say that about

00:42:21.560 those folks

00:42:22.660 who are leading

00:42:23.420 right now

00:42:24.100 for the good

00:42:25.100 of the country.

00:42:26.700 Absolutely.

00:42:27.980 Bud Cummins,

00:42:28.600 I've enjoyed talking with you.

00:42:29.920 I know the audience

00:42:30.640 has enjoyed

00:42:31.260 listening to you

00:42:32.640 as have I.

00:42:34.320 I appreciate your time

00:42:35.660 and I hope

00:42:36.060 you'll come back

00:42:36.700 with us here

00:42:37.200 on The Great America Show.

00:42:39.080 I'd love to.

00:42:39.720 I enjoy talking to you.

00:42:40.640 Thank you for having me.

00:42:42.620 Bud Cummins,

00:42:43.420 former U.S. Attorney

00:42:44.380 for the Eastern District

00:42:45.520 of Arkansas.

00:42:46.900 Thanks for being

00:42:47.500 with us today

00:42:48.260 and thank you

00:42:49.220 for joining us.

00:42:50.100 Our guest tomorrow

00:42:50.880 will be former

00:42:51.680 Navy SEAL

00:42:52.420 Robert O'Neill.

00:42:54.000 Rob's making it clear

00:42:55.280 that his Navy

00:42:56.280 has gone in a direction

00:42:57.540 that he doesn't appreciate.

00:42:59.620 We'll take it up

00:43:00.960 with Rob here tomorrow.

00:43:02.280 You don't want to miss

00:43:03.180 Rob O'Neill.

00:43:04.760 Please join us

00:43:05.560 right here

00:43:06.060 on The Great America Show.

00:43:07.640 Till then,

00:43:08.240 God bless you

00:43:08.940 and may God bless America.

00:43:11.160 Thank you.

00:43:11.300 Thank you.

00:43:11.400 Thank you.

The Great America Show - May 17, 2023

SHUT DOWN THE FBI

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