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00:00:32.620 Great America Show. Welcome, great to have you with us. Speaker McCarthy has betrayed the conservative

00:00:38.420 wing of his party, independents, and the American people. And rhino Paul Ryan's hand-picked successor

00:00:45.920 aligned himself and the rhino majority of the House Republicans with the Marxist Dems and their 0.98

00:00:52.080 brutal anti-America agenda. Yesterday, it wasn't just a reversal of fortune for the Republican Party.

00:00:59.740 Take a listen to McCarthy on Fox News when asked about getting the budget through without those

00:01:06.380 conservative members vote. How do you get this done without those 35 votes? Oh, we'll get it done

00:01:11.440 overwhelmingly. Look, people have different opinions. Before this, I had 17 Republicans who have never

00:01:15.840 voted for a debt ceiling, period. To govern is not easy, but I don't want to be on the wrong side

00:01:21.360 of history. Every single one of those members who vote no will miss the opportunity to vote for the

00:01:26.100 largest cut in American history. Can you get it done without them? Oh yeah, we'll get it done without

00:01:31.640 them. That's not a problem. You'll get enough Democrats to come on board? Look, the president

00:01:36.540 came to an agreement. I think from that point is that we found every time you've ever had two

00:01:42.060 agreements made like that. Both sides come together. What happens as one of the other side comes on,

00:01:47.580 some people will fall off because they think it's a free vote that way. Paul Ryan's successor revealed

00:01:52.720 himself for exactly the rhino fraud he was thought to be by most of the conference and possessed precisely 0.76

00:01:59.260 the same light level of talent and character. In just a few moments, our guest is one of the Republican

00:02:06.640 leaders who McCarthy betrayed. Congressman Scott Perry, head of the Freedom Caucus, joining us today.

00:02:13.720 We'll get his take on what is next for McCarthy and the Freedom Caucus and the Republican Party itself.

00:02:20.300 Just how much damage has McCarthy and the RINOs done to the GOP and their investigations of the Biden

00:02:27.360 regime? Let's turn now to Chairman James Comer's investigation into the Biden crime family.

00:02:33.320 Comer has started the formal procedure to hold FBI Director Christopher Wray in contempt of Congress

00:02:40.420 for blatantly defying the House Oversight Committee's subpoena for documents held by the FBI.

00:02:47.280 Those documents are confidential whistleblower complaints regarding the Biden crime family that

00:02:53.260 Wray is refusing to turn over. Wray's corruption has been on display, of course, throughout the

00:02:59.120 political persecution of President Trump for years. Now Wray is obviously protecting this corrupt

00:03:06.040 Biden White House. Biden's Attorney General has ordered up another politically motivated investigation

00:03:12.020 that is outright electoral interference by the Justice Department and FBI. It's an investigation of

00:03:19.440 West Virginia Governor Jim Justice, who is running for Senate against Marxist Dem, an essential swing vote in

00:03:26.400 the Senate, Joe Manchin. Garland has filed a civil complaint against the Justice family with regard to

00:03:33.500 their family coal empire. The family has more than a dozen coal businesses that are run by Jim's son,

00:03:40.120 Jay Justice. Biden has turned the full force of the federal government against the Justice family,

00:03:46.280 citing repeated violations of the law, as they put it, and the DOJ is seeking penalties that they are owed

00:03:52.820 as a result of those violations. Dirty, crooked politics as only the Biden regime can play.

00:04:00.040 Let's go to our guest now. Joining us is the leader of the Freedom Caucus and a great congressman,

00:04:05.300 a great American, Congressman Scott Perry. Congressman, good to have you with us here on the Great America

00:04:10.480 Show. Thanks for being with us on what I know is a tough and very busy day for you and your colleagues.

00:04:16.160 We're delighted to have you with us. Well, Lou, thanks for giving me the opportunity and thanks

00:04:23.600 for bringing the truth to America, because let's face it, you can't count on too many other folks

00:04:29.100 to do that for you. Well, thank you for that. I appreciate it. The Freedom Caucus, again, at the

00:04:35.560 forefront of bringing reason and principle and responsibility to our federal government. I frankly

00:04:44.500 don't know, and I'm not in any way, as you know, I'm pretty straightforward. Without you and your

00:04:51.620 caucus and those members, I don't know where we'd be in this Congress. Well, look, we call ourselves

00:04:58.800 and consider ourselves to be the conscience of the Republican conference. Our mission, among other

00:05:04.740 things, you know, including speaking on behalf of the millions of Americans that Americans that feel

00:05:11.000 like Washington, D.C. has left them behind and doesn't speak for them. You know, our job is to

00:05:16.860 make sure that Republicans kind of do what they said they were going to do when they campaigned.

00:05:22.980 And we do that by showing the way, by voting that way, by talking that way. And quite honestly,

00:05:32.200 at times, it's necessary making sure that we show the difference between those who not only say they're

00:05:38.320 going to do it, but those of us that do do it. And so it's really not all that hard. All you do is

00:05:45.720 just do what you said you were going to do. Well, it seems to be a little difficult for Speaker

00:05:50.460 McCarthy. He has said that the debt ceiling, by the way, the debt ceiling deal, as he calls it,

00:05:56.920 offers the biggest, biggest budget cut in American history. Your thoughts?

00:06:02.600 Well, the bar is pretty low, Lou. Just remember that there probably haven't been any budget cuts

00:06:10.320 in any of these other ones. So if we cut $1, that would be the biggest, maybe. But even at this,

00:06:17.140 and I think, look, on the best day, this is, I think, $12 billion. But understand, as you do,

00:06:23.500 Lou, the other end of the arrangement is a wide open blank check to unlimited spending for essentially

00:06:30.740 two years under the Biden administration. That's the tradeoff. So you can say, well, look, we saved

00:06:36.120 $12 billion, or, you know, they're out there talking about $2.1 trillion, which is quite honestly

00:06:41.800 a farce, and I can explain that to you. But what we know for sure is that there's an unlimited blank

00:06:47.980 check written for essentially 20 to 24 months right now. And that's probably going to total around

00:06:55.520 $4 trillion or north of that. And north of that, and to make this very clear for our audience,

00:07:04.120 there is no debt ceiling as of right, as of the moment this is approved by the House and the Senate

00:07:10.120 and sent over to the back to the president. There is no limit. McCarthy goes over to negotiate a debt

00:07:18.600 ceiling, and he walks out without even the nomenclature. There's no longer a debt ceiling.

00:07:24.720 It's wide open. We talk $4 trillion as we go through these numbers, and I understand that.

00:07:30.060 But theoretically, it could be $40 trillion. And based on his rate of spending so far,

00:07:35.880 two and a half years in his administration, that shouldn't shock anybody.

00:07:39.700 Yeah, the number is shocking. But the fact that the administration is doing it shouldn't be a

00:07:46.680 surprise. And unfortunately, you know, look, this is the Washington, this is the swamp. This is the

00:07:52.340 Uniparty getting together, telling us this is the best deal we could get. It's either this or

00:07:57.760 something that's worse. They always tell us that too. And it's unlimited spending. Remember that

00:08:03.900 President Biden said, I'm not going to negotiate. And I want, you know, a clean debt ceiling.

00:08:08.580 I will tell you this, while people will say Democrats didn't get anything out of this,

00:08:14.380 I will say they got two things. First of all, they didn't lose one thing that they have. Remember,

00:08:19.060 they've been in charge, and they've been spending like crazy trillions upon trillions of dollars.

00:08:23.760 So they didn't lose any of the policies. And now they get to continue to spend trillions of trillions

00:08:28.320 of dollars. So while they didn't get anything, I would say, I don't know, it's not facetious,

00:08:34.420 and it's not trying to be sarcastic. They have four trillion reasons to vote for this bill right

00:08:39.720 now. Without question. And also, if they decide they want to take a holiday in la-la land with

00:08:46.420 more spending, they can raise the ante. They could double that spending over the course of that

00:08:51.240 lifting, that suspension of the debt ceiling without, there wouldn't be any way to stop him.

00:08:56.860 That's right.

00:08:58.360 And the caucus, the Freedom Caucus is promising that there will be a reckoning here

00:09:03.880 over this deal. What, is it possible now to constrain it all as a result of this, if this happens?

00:09:13.720 I can't personally see, Congressman, any way that there is a countervailing force opposing Biden,

00:09:22.080 his Marxist-dem policies. I just can't see any way in the world to slow him down.

00:09:28.380 Well, look, that's what we're grappling with right now. Ever since the first of the year,

00:09:33.260 I think a lot of Republicans, conservatives, you know, just regular Americans that think that the

00:09:38.420 country's way off the rails have been at least inspired a little bit or excited to see that

00:09:43.620 something in Washington was happening other than the norm and that the Uniparty and the swamp wasn't

00:09:49.420 winning every single victory. Unfortunately, with this deal, that paradigm has been broken.

00:09:56.500 So we're going to have to go back to the drawing board and see where we stand. Are we going to go

00:10:01.900 back to the coalition where the Freedom Caucus was involved and we were getting conservative policy

00:10:07.940 victories and at least out of the House? You know, we can't control the Senate, certainly can't

00:10:13.480 control Biden, but we can control what we push out. Or is the new coalition, the leadership in the

00:10:19.640 House and and Hakeem Jeffries and, you know, the members of the Democrat Party and the minority over

00:10:25.640 here, is that the new coalition? And we're going to see the size of that coalition likely later this

00:10:31.180 afternoon or this evening when this bill comes to the floor.

00:10:34.440 I was going to ask you about exactly that issue, which is, is the is the Republican conference now

00:10:43.960 the Republican Dem conference and the conservatives and moderate Republicans move to the side?

00:10:51.640 It's RINOs and Jeffries. 1.00

00:10:54.860 Boy, I sure hope not. I wouldn't say that we had a perfect thing going. It was a lot of work.

00:11:00.200 There was a lot of oftentimes tense conversations and sometimes some hurt feelings. But over the last

00:11:06.680 couple of months, just remember, we passed a historic border bill and and we passed a very

00:11:13.740 conservative, even even by any by any standards, certainly by the standards. Now, we passed the most

00:11:20.160 conservative debt ceiling bill with conservatives, moderates and liberal Republicans. That was a recipe

00:11:26.740 for success. We were all working together. But if they're just going to throw the the right flank

00:11:33.100 overboard and and choose to go to Democrats immediately without even trying, boy, we are in a

00:11:39.560 tough we're in a tough spot for the next year and a half or the remainder of the Biden administration,

00:11:44.220 for sure.

00:11:45.340 Do you think that that McCarthy had that in mind during those 15 rounds of votes for the

00:11:52.960 speakers? Do you think he had already made a deal with and I'm not saying explicitly, but at least

00:12:00.340 implicitly with the with the White House and the Democrats that if push came to shove, he was ready,

00:12:09.460 willing and available to be not only a rhino, but a a Marxist, dim collaborator. 0.55

00:12:17.620 Look, I've known Kevin McCarthy for a long time, and I wish he would be more conservative from a

00:12:24.360 foundational standpoint. Certainly, I think his district would support it. But I don't think

00:12:29.780 he's he's that I think he's more of a, you know, he likes to put an agreement together. It's not

00:12:36.880 necessarily conservative foundationally, but it's an agreement. He, you know, he sees he's he I would

00:12:42.680 think he would consider himself more pragmatic. And, you know, these are the these are the

00:12:47.380 circumstances you have to work within. And certainly, I don't think he could he would

00:12:51.420 believe that he could have been speaker immediately going over to the White House or Kim Jeffries and

00:12:56.900 the Democrats that that that there was no path for that to happen for him or anybody else, nor should

00:13:02.820 there be on the Republican side. If you're going to do that, just go be a Democrat and be honest with

00:13:07.900 the with yourself and the rest of the world. So but look, Lou, as you know, and you've been around

00:13:12.580 this, this exercise for some time, there's a lot of people that come to Washington with the best of

00:13:18.780 intentions. And some take three months, some take three years, but it consumes a whole lot of people

00:13:24.660 that just find some way to say, you know, well, I just got to get in line here with what happens here

00:13:32.000 and to be productive and to be successful or something. They rationalize their actions and

00:13:39.980 they don't they don't they no longer see the distress, the abject distress that our country's

00:13:46.160 in. And in this case, look, we're obviously already economically in horrific peril. We have to borrow

00:13:52.820 money just to pay our bills. I mean, essentially, you could already say we're in default under those

00:13:58.940 circumstances and to not to not recognize that peril and to add, you know, we're 32, just short of 32

00:14:07.300 trillion dollars in debt right now. And to know in two years, we're going to be at 36 trillion dollars

00:14:12.120 because of this deal. And everything is off the table. All of our leverage with the president is now

00:14:16.960 gone for the remainder of his term. It is stunning to me that we would make this deal.

00:14:22.560 It is. It is stunning. And when we come back, we're talking with Congressman Scott Perry, the head of

00:14:30.160 the Freedom Caucus. We're talking about well, we're talking about a country that's spending a government

00:14:35.820 that's spending 100 billion dollars of a month on interest only. And yes, guess what? This

00:14:43.100 administration may have a clear path to spending zillions more. We're talking again with Scott Perry,

00:14:50.520 Congressman Scott Perry, the head of the Freedom Caucus. Please stay with us. We'll be right back.

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00:16:21.820 Congressman, again, I want to thank you for your time on what I know is a very busy day. Give us all

00:16:26.980 a sense of what you think the odds are. You've got two votes still here today as we're speaking

00:16:32.840 on rules. The whole floor will be voting on the rules. And tonight, the deal itself, your set of

00:16:41.420 odds on it. Look, I know that there's going to be votes against the rule from the Republican

00:16:48.600 Conference. And of course, that is legislative combat. That's seen as strictly out of bounds for

00:16:55.380 the party in charge to vote against their own rule. But if you're opposed to this agreement, as I am,

00:17:01.560 and vehemently opposed to it, because I think it's really bad for America, we have no choice except

00:17:07.260 to do that if you're true to yourself. But I suspect that, look, leadership already knows that

00:17:12.580 there were two no votes in the rules committee itself last night by two Freedom Caucus members

00:17:17.220 that are on the rules committee. And so they know it's coming. And I imagine they're going to the

00:17:21.400 other side to pick up those votes to move this along. It's also my understanding, Lou, and it's been

00:17:27.660 reported that the Democrats are locked in a room without their cell phones. Think about this.

00:17:33.360 The White House economic advisor praised this deal of fully funding their progressive agenda. And I

00:17:40.840 think what's happening inside the Democrat caucus room is they're telling them to tamp down their

00:17:45.540 enthusiasm. Don't be out there saying how great a deal they got because it's going to chill Republican

00:17:51.040 votes. They want as many Republican votes as they can get for it. But I think you're going to see

00:17:55.720 between 100 and 150 Democrat votes for this thing. That should be a signal to you that there's a

00:18:02.140 problem here. When you got leftist Democrats voting for this so-called Republican bill, the only bill to

00:18:09.940 come out of either chamber, out of a Republican House of Representatives, and you have a majority of

00:18:16.680 the Democrats voting for it, that is a sign.

00:18:19.080 That's a sign, and it's a sign we'll all be looking for. We also know that this is a tremendous

00:18:27.100 victory for President Biden, a tremendous victory for the Dems. Schumer and Jeffries, they're clicking

00:18:34.400 their heels right now. And also the American people know what's happening. Right now they know what's

00:18:41.520 happening, and I can't see how McCarthy walks away from that deal having given up 2,000 agents for the

00:18:53.220 Internal Revenue Service and calling that a victory. All right, no Republican will be able to campaign.

00:18:58.460 We don't even know that, Lou. We don't even know that. Look, the IRS got a $80 billion advance

00:19:06.380 appropriation. So just think about it. They get, I don't know, $9 billion a year in just their operating

00:19:12.280 costs provided by Congress. But last year, under President Obama, they got $80 billion dumped into

00:19:19.360 their bank account. And in this deal, we take back $1.4 billion. So they have $78.6 billion left to

00:19:26.920 spend. All that means is at the end of 10 years, because that $80 billion was over 10 years, they end up

00:19:33.600 with $1.4 billion less. But they have essentially $78.6 billion this moment to spend. Well, who knows

00:19:42.220 what they're going to spend it on? But I bet it's not in leaving the American people alone.

00:19:46.800 Well, I would support your view. And I was extrapolating, and I should not have done a

00:19:53.600 straight line extrapolation. I just want you to be clear of what's happened here, because they're

00:19:58.100 telling us, and they're telling the American people, look, we stopped the IRS. No, we didn't. We didn't

00:20:03.260 stop anything. Instead of stopping this woke, weaponized government, we're fully underwriting

00:20:10.540 and funding it with your tax dollars, Lou. And the way I've explained it to the audience is

00:20:16.300 not only did the Republicans not stop the weaponization of the federal government against

00:20:23.000 the American people, it's actually allowed the Marxist Dems to bring in reinforcements

00:20:28.860 to continue the assault. And it's a sad, sad day, in my opinion. Americans were betrayed.

00:20:38.100 The Republican conference was betrayed. There's no other way to say it, in my opinion. Your thoughts?

00:20:44.640 Yeah, look, I wasn't on the negotiating team. And I can't say that I would do better. But I will tell

00:20:49.860 you this, Lou, we passed a bill. I don't know why we negotiated with the White House. The White House

00:20:54.680 can't pass anything. It is the Senate. To me, when they said, well, you have to negotiate with Joe

00:20:59.240 Biden, I would have said, no, I'm not going to. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to send this

00:21:03.880 bill to the Senate. And then I'm going to send my guys home so that we can stop meddling with America.

00:21:09.900 And when you in the Senate pass a bill, since it's so urgent, and you don't want to go over the debt

00:21:14.220 ceiling, you don't want to go over the edge, let us know when you can pass something. We'll come back

00:21:18.800 town and then we'll work it out. But that never happened. Instead, the House passed a bill and then

00:21:23.960 immediately began negotiating against its own position. And that's how you get what we have now.

00:21:30.480 And that was the limit, save, grow legislation. Did you counsel the Speaker with that alternative

00:21:37.980 approach? Because it makes all the sense in the world.

00:21:40.580 I did. I did counsel him. And look, I didn't ask to be in the negotiating team. I don't want to hang

00:21:45.880 around with Democrats and leftists. But if he would have asked, I would have done it, of course.

00:21:50.700 But it just makes common sense. Look, if you're old enough to watch Schoolhouse Rock, you know,

00:21:56.440 the House passes a bill. The Senate has to pass a bill. They put them together. They work out the

00:22:01.400 differences. And then they send that to the president for a signature. At this moment, Lou,

00:22:06.340 there has been no Senate bill. And there's never going to be a Senate bill because we left them off the

00:22:10.620 hook. All these reporters come to me and they say, well, what are you willing to do? We did what we were

00:22:14.960 willing to do. It's called the Limit, Save, Grow Act. And we passed it over a month ago. We're not

00:22:19.260 responsible for going over this fiscal cliff. But yet they gave the Senate Democrats a pass and they

00:22:25.080 continue to do that to this moment. And apparently we did, too.

00:22:29.480 Well, I just have the strong sense that Chuck Schumer has been the architect of much of what we've seen

00:22:38.760 unfold. I don't believe that that McCarthy will ever be much of an architect, but he is sure a heck

00:22:48.200 of a demo guy. And by that, I'm referring to demolition, because what he has demolished may be

00:22:53.860 the Republican chances in 2024. I think it's that stark. Your thoughts? Well, look, we should be

00:23:00.360 painting a bright line between the leftists and the Republicans. And this does not paint that bright

00:23:05.580 line. I know they're talking about trillions in dollars in savings, but, Lou, it just doesn't

00:23:10.620 exist. In the bill, it says targets. A target is another word for saying a goal. So we have a goal

00:23:16.120 of saving money, but there's nothing. Look, this town, even when it ties itself legislatively

00:23:21.380 to not spending money, they don't even abide by that. Do you actually believe they're going to abide

00:23:26.920 by four years of goals? This money is not going to be saved. We're going to spend at least four

00:23:32.220 trillion dollars, if not much more. And we're going to imperil America even further. Meanwhile,

00:23:38.540 at, you know, a week ago, we had the Democrats and the leftists completely in a corner where they

00:23:43.760 could not get out. We should have forced them to pass our bill or take up some bill that they could

00:23:48.200 pass. We failed to do that. And this is what happens when you fail. And the truth of the matter

00:23:54.260 is that the political ramifications are significant. The idea, it seems to me,

00:24:03.240 that the Republican Party now is so riven and divided, I just can't imagine going forward

00:24:10.680 what this will do to the investigation committees, that is, the House Judiciary, the House

00:24:17.360 Oversight Committee, the subcommittee of the judiciary that Congressman Jim Jordan is leading. I

00:24:24.020 mean, this falls hard on what was so much momentum, so much initiative, and so much achievement on the

00:24:30.920 part of those committees. I don't know what the impact is going to be, because the Republicans

00:24:36.060 have lost a lot of credibility as of right now. I don't know what the votes will be, but it's the

00:24:41.060 way it looks to me. Your concluding thoughts, if you would, Congressman.

00:24:44.460 I would agree with you. Look, Lou, for the past four or five months, we've seen unprecedented success

00:24:49.940 with a unified Republican Party, not only in the House, but in the Senate, too. As you know,

00:24:55.460 the Senate said they would not, the Senate Republicans said they would not vote for a

00:24:59.080 clean debt ceiling. That's a unified Republican Party, and we were getting wins. The most impactful

00:25:04.080 border security bill ever to come out of the House of Representatives with a very small majority,

00:25:09.040 as you know, the Limits Save Grow Act, the most impactful and conservative debt ceiling increase

00:25:14.800 ever in history, even though we didn't cause the bill in the first place. We were really doing well

00:25:20.100 as a unified Republican Party. It's very, very powerful. This has served to fracture that.

00:25:25.800 If we can, you know, whether we can put it back together remains to be seen. If we can put it back

00:25:30.680 together, Lou, I think we can reclaim some credibility, but we don't have any time to spare,

00:25:35.280 and they're just as big of fights coming in front of us, and we've got to get it together for that.

00:25:39.680 I sure hope we're not seeing the beginning of a new leadership Republican and Democrat coalition.

00:25:46.600 That will be devastating to our chances and devastating to America, which is actually more

00:25:51.160 important. Congressman Scott Perry, thank you very much for being with us, and God bless you for all

00:25:56.880 that you're doing for this country. Thank you, Lou. God bless you and your audience.

00:26:00.940 That's all for us today. Our guest here tomorrow will be Congressman Matt Rosendale

00:26:05.260 on the dirty, rotten reversal orchestrated by Speaker Kevin McCarthy and what it means for

00:26:11.080 the country. We hope you'll join us for all of that and more on The Great America Show tomorrow.

00:26:16.760 Till then, thanks, God bless you, and may God bless America.

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