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00:00:33.660 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:37.200 Always great to have you with us.

00:00:39.420 President Trump has filed an unsealed motion to dismiss special counsel Jack Smith's classified documents case.

00:00:47.440 The president's motion was originally filed under seal in February.

00:00:53.340 Judge Cannon authorized President Trump this week to file an unsealed version of that motion to dismiss.

00:01:01.120 In this unsealed motion, President Trump highlights how others such as James Comey, Joe Biden, Mike Pence, Bill and Hillary Clinton,

00:01:11.700 all illegally possessed classified documents, but they were never, they were never prosecuted.

00:01:20.300 Trump's attorneys argued that Joe Biden stored boxes of classified documents in his garage, for crying out loud.

00:01:28.080 At Penn Biden Center and in Chinatown as well.

00:01:31.640 Three, three different locations.

00:01:34.200 And all remained accessible to people without any security clearances.

00:01:39.180 Biden was never charged for stealing secret documents and storing them in boxes in his garage accessible to his compromised son.

00:01:49.280 Judge Cannon previously denied Trump's motion to dismiss the classified documents case on unconstitutional vagueness of the Espionage Act.

00:01:59.940 However, this third effort is now pending.

00:02:03.800 And over in New York, it seems Marxist New York D.A. Alvin Bragg's case is starting to collapse.

00:02:10.840 Stormy Daniels' attorney, Keith Davidson, took the stand and denied, absolutely denied,

00:02:17.440 the $130,000 payment from Michael Cohen to his client was a hush payment.

00:02:23.000 The payments made to Stormy Daniels did not come from Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.

00:02:30.020 The payments were made through internal business records.

00:02:33.240 There was no tax deduction taken.

00:02:35.740 And there was no obligation to file it with the SEC or the FEC.

00:02:41.420 So the case, who brought the case in the first place?

00:02:44.780 And why?

00:02:45.720 We know why.

00:02:46.980 Our guest today is Russ Tice, former senior intelligence analyst for the National Security Agency

00:02:52.980 and former whistleblower and great American.

00:02:56.320 Russ, always great to see you.

00:02:57.840 I want to begin today with these reports from James O'Keefe in particular and the insider, if you will,

00:03:08.520 a contractor he found who is saying quite, it seems to me at least, credibly,

00:03:14.480 that the intelligence agencies, specifically the CIA, withheld intelligence from President Trump

00:03:22.800 and apparently at the behest of then CIA Director Mike Pompeo, later to be Secretary of State.

00:03:31.660 Your reaction to this, and first, let's begin with, do you think it's plausible?

00:03:36.140 I think it is plausible, although the guy might be going a little bit over his position that he had as far as what he did know.

00:03:45.220 But being that he was supposedly in cybersecurity, he may have had access to the director, deputy directors,

00:03:53.340 and some of the top brass, their communications, to determine whether there were situations where they could be hacked.

00:04:00.680 You know, I want to start, as we go up the, if you will, the chain, to go from the intelligence that's being gathered,

00:04:12.160 then collected around a specific briefing for the President of the United States, and then withholding it.

00:04:20.500 There would have to be a lot of people within the CIA who were aware that they were withholding information from the President of the United States.

00:04:30.980 Would there not be?

00:04:32.660 Not necessarily.

00:04:34.180 The President's briefing that he gets every morning is a conglomeration of a lot of intelligence.

00:04:41.780 I remember one time I was so happy that a program that I was working on was going to be briefed to President Clinton at the time.

00:04:49.300 And I had like, I don't know, 20 pages of write-up, and they said, well, you've got to break that down to three.

00:04:54.480 And then they said, you've got to break it down to one.

00:04:56.820 And, you know, and I was younger at the time, so I'm pretty excited because I'm the lead guy.

00:05:01.920 And then they showed me what President Clinton got, and it was like three sentences.

00:05:06.980 So I was like, I was sad and disappointed.

00:05:11.220 But you've got to understand, the President is getting intelligence from everywhere.

00:05:16.240 Of course, he's dealing with, of course, the economy and everything else.

00:05:19.700 Sure, he's got a lot on his plate.

00:05:21.400 I understand that.

00:05:22.780 But to actually withhold intelligence from the President, it just seemed to me that there are so many people involved in that.

00:05:31.700 Where would that decision about what to withhold, where would that originate?

00:05:37.220 Well, that would be the upper ranks.

00:05:40.440 You go through a vetting process.

00:05:42.600 The analysts, say, they go through the material.

00:05:45.560 You come up with a question that was asked.

00:05:48.600 You come up with what your best answer is to that question.

00:05:51.440 And then you send that up the line.

00:05:53.080 At some point, your boss looks at it and says, okay, you might want to change this and that.

00:05:57.220 A lot of that is wording.

00:05:58.560 I mean, at some point, someone who's an editor and a little bit better with the English language puts the commas in some of the other pieces in the place where they belong.

00:06:09.560 But then that goes up to an assistant to the deputy director, and that person looks it over, and then the deputy director looks at it and could very easily say, we're nixing this whole part of this report or this action plan for, say, we're doing some operation somewhere in the world.

00:06:27.600 Or we're going to nix the entire thing whatsoever, and we don't want this to go into the President's briefing.

00:06:35.900 But, of course, it's going to happen at the upper echelon.

00:06:39.560 Upper echelons.

00:06:40.760 And what I'm getting at here is, at what point does the obfuscation or simply the removal of intelligence from the President's either view or hearing, where does that actually originate in terms of saying, okay, we're not going to tell the President about what is going on in Russia or the Middle East or wherever it might be?

00:07:06.660 Because it just seems to me, it almost has to be the director who approves something like that.

00:07:14.480 Your thoughts on it?

00:07:15.700 I can imagine the director, especially if now they are politically oriented, to tell his senior staff that we're not going to deal with a certain issue or a mission that's happening.

00:07:31.260 Or we, you know, this fellow who's this whistleblower said that they believed, they used some insidious words for the President, that he was not of an educated manner to be able to handle the information that they were dealing and that he would just spew it off to our enemies.

00:07:51.200 First of all, I don't believe that of Mr. Trump, our President, our former President.

00:07:56.540 And second, these people, this is the President of the United States.

00:08:01.200 You work for this man.

00:08:03.040 So this is elitism, and it's probably a political posturing for somebody else because you don't like the man that's sitting in the White House.

00:08:16.140 This seems like elitism of a rarefied sort and outright arrogance.

00:08:22.100 And because if anyone ever finds out precisely what happened here, extraordinarily tragic hubris on their part, because they will be held accountable for this.

00:08:33.800 But Pompeo right now is the central figure of this.

00:08:38.820 And he's accused, straightforwardly, of aiding and abetting, if not, in fact, originating the withholding of intelligence from the Commander-in-Chief and the President of the United States.

00:08:50.560 Your thoughts on that?

00:08:54.040 Well, it would be Haskell as well.

00:08:56.200 It would be Nakasone at NSA.

00:08:58.480 So I don't know about whether the DIA director was also holding back, but more than likely, because all of them would periodically talk with one another,

00:09:09.580 this had to be like a small cabal at the very top of the intelligence community, where they said,

00:09:15.980 we're cutting this guy out, our president, and, you know, we'll just wait him out until the next president shows up.

00:09:23.460 And maybe we won't tell that one either.

00:09:25.760 I think whatever they tell our current president, he wouldn't remember beyond lunchtime.

00:09:30.240 Yeah, this is, in the intelligence service, this man would be considered a cutout.

00:09:38.720 And he's been cut out of just everything.

00:09:41.920 I mean, to even talk about Biden as the President of the United States.

00:09:45.580 First of all, he's an accident of history and history perverted by the Marxist Dems and Bill Barr and a host of other people who conspired to stifle conservative voices.

00:10:04.480 Or otherwise, those 51 intelligence veterans who signed up and said, you know what, that Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.

00:10:14.040 They lied through the teeth to the American people. 0.68

00:10:16.780 They changed the course of history.

00:10:19.200 And that's why it's so easy for me, at least, to believe that Mike Pompeo and his henchmen, while he was the head of the CIA, did precisely what they're accused of doing, which is withholding that intelligence.

00:10:32.920 We're talking with Russ Tice.

00:10:35.040 He is a former senior intelligence agent analyst for the National Security Agency.

00:10:41.240 He is also a whistleblower.

00:10:43.640 And as I said at the outset, a great American.

00:10:46.620 We're coming right back with Russ.

00:10:48.200 Stay with us.

00:10:48.900 We're going to figure out what's going on throughout the intelligence community as we continue our conversation with Russ.

00:10:56.440 Stay with us.

00:10:56.980 We'll be right back.

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00:12:35.440 We're talking with Russ Tice now.

00:12:37.180 And I want to say this has developed.

00:12:39.820 Representative Matt Gaetz calling for an investigation into the bombshell O'Keefe reporting on these, well, statements that intelligence agencies, not agency, coordinated to hide information from the Trump White House.

00:12:56.880 This is remarkable stuff.

00:13:00.640 Matt Gaetz is calling for a complete investigation and a thorough one.

00:13:05.600 I can't even imagine how you could even begin to think we could get a thorough investigation of the CIA or these other agencies.

00:13:14.520 It just defies imagination.

00:13:16.820 Your thoughts?

00:13:17.400 Ultimately, you're going to have to sack the senior leadership of all of these agencies, and you're going to have to put people in there that you can trust to, first of all, dig up what has happened and what's going on, and then hold the people that have done this responsible and make sure the president knows exactly what's going on, how it happened, and how to proceed into the future with people he can trust.

00:13:39.300 Well, and that really isn't a solution, because then it's next man up, and the next man up is every bit as corrupt, because he is an appointee and a beneficiary of the previous leadership.

00:13:54.800 So on and on the cycle goes.

00:13:57.920 There's got to be a way to get to this point.

00:14:00.900 I look back over the course of intelligence in this country, Russ, and I know you have certainly throughout your career and your life.

00:14:10.460 There's no good beginning point to say what happened to the integrity of our intelligence agencies, because if you reach all the way back to the 19—well, you could start with Truman and the creation of the CIA.

00:14:23.540 You go through the 1950s, where the CIA is responsible for—and I happen to believe the reporting exactly.

00:14:34.520 I mean, the influence of the CIA on the Gary Powers U-2 incident is clearly recorded within the CIA itself, as well as the State Department,

00:14:44.340 and what the pressure they brought to bear on a recalcitrant president who didn't want to fly spy planes over the Soviet Union.

00:14:53.540 He did, and he did after thorough convincing and lies from the intelligence community about what Gary Powers at 70,000 feet would be looking at in the way of his own danger to his own life and the aircraft he was flying.

00:15:12.000 So, I mean, from there you go on to Vietnam, which was started under President Eisenhower.

00:15:19.460 He is the one who sent the first advisors.

00:15:22.820 John F. Kennedy sent more advisors and lied to the American people throughout about what he was doing.

00:15:28.200 And then we had the Pentagon Papers about all of the lies of the intelligence agencies, all of the military-industrial complex, and, of course, the presidents from Johnson forward to Nixon.

00:15:44.660 It's an outrage.

00:15:46.280 So, I mean, almost nothing is beyond credulity in assessing what the intelligence agencies have done, particularly as we've seen what they did with President Donald Trump and are still doing.

00:16:01.820 Well, a lot of the problem is that when you put someone in charge of the intelligence agency that's an ambassador from somewhere or another and has a background in, I don't know, either politics or domestic politics

00:16:17.160 or something generic like that from the State Department, and then another person is from, say, the chairman from either the HIPSI or the SISI, the intel committees on the House, where their former lawyers, and, you know, when they were – I always think of it this way.

00:16:37.760 What was this person doing when they were 27 years old?

00:16:40.300 Were they, you know, defending someone because, you know, they crashed a car and hurt someone, or were they spinning tapes at some remote place, you know, doing the spy work that has to be done?

00:16:54.240 In other words.

00:16:55.440 Am I understanding you correctly, Russ, that you're saying that you just can't trust the outsiders in the intel community because it's what you sound like?

00:17:02.840 You sound like you're describing John Ratcliffe as the national director of intelligence.

00:17:08.140 It sounds like you're talking about Mike Pompeo, who was brought in because he was, you know, a very eager politician with very, very high ambitions for himself.

00:17:21.080 But we go through the annals of the intelligence community and the professionals, whether it's Richard Helms, whether it's, you know, John Allen Dulles.

00:17:35.000 You go through all of these people, and, you know, it seems to me that you have plenty of people to choose from, that there is something rotten in the system itself.

00:17:47.760 And I don't understand why people – we've just watched the Congress of the United States give the FBI $200 million for a new building.

00:17:56.600 It will be the biggest building in D.C. in the federal – bigger than the Pentagon.

00:18:02.540 And that's their reward for spying on a president, spying on both intelligence committees.

00:18:08.500 That's their reward for going after the parents of children who yelled in a school board meeting.

00:18:17.620 This is the reward for Christopher Wray for saying the greatest threat to the country are those doggone right-wing conservatives, those MAGA folks.

00:18:31.060 I mean, this is preposterous.

00:18:32.820 We're looking at a lurid, perverse intelligence community that is corrupt, it looks to me, to the bone.

00:18:42.900 I can't – can you name the last success of our intelligence agencies?

00:18:47.300 Let's start with Ukraine.

00:18:48.420 Was that a success for our intelligence agencies?

00:18:51.560 Well, let's look back.

00:18:53.020 We – the CIA fostered a rebellion, and they threw out the democratically elected president.

00:19:03.460 Of Ukraine. 0.53

00:19:03.940 So – and that has caused the nightmare that we see now over there.

00:19:08.980 Right.

00:19:09.640 In other words, we did this.

00:19:11.600 So, of course, that's a failure.

00:19:14.960 Afghanistan, but how long went with 20 years we were there?

00:19:18.440 And what's the – I've always said, no matter whether we leave – 15 years ago, I said, if we leave today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, five years, 10 years, 20 years, 200 years, 200 years,

00:19:28.340 it will go right back to the way it was, the warlords in the mountains and the extremists in the valleys.

00:19:36.020 So – and then we have these intel people and these generals that are lying through their teeth saying, oh, yes, we're training the Afghan army, and they're going to be – they're going to be fit to handle and –

00:19:47.540 And, of course, it's blowing smoke up people's nether regions, and the problem is, like – yes, yes, I am referring to the folks that you mentioned, that these are neophytes that have no knowledge,

00:20:02.660 and if you give me a neophyte and I need to pull the wool over their eyes, it's real easy for me to walk up and take the lollipop from the baby and, you know, entertain them some other way to keep them from crying with a jester jumping up and down.

00:20:17.280 So, we're talking with Russ Tice, and we're going to kind of hone in on what chance does America have if its intelligence agencies are working for, well, unknown, unidentifiable patrons and causes instead of the United States of America.

00:20:39.300 We'll be right back.

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00:21:06.020 We're back with Russ Tice.

00:21:16.040 And, Russ, I just have to turn here to, I am so dismayed at the level of conscience and the sense of duty on the part of the United States Congress right now.

00:21:29.260 I'm talking about both political parties, frankly.

00:21:31.880 A Speaker of the House who does not want to hold accountable the intelligence agencies, doesn't want to hold accountable those who have violated our laws, have spied on presidents, his own intelligence committees.

00:21:44.300 I mean, we are adrift right now in a morass of corruption, political corruption, and certainly economic, financial corruption as well.

00:21:55.260 Because the more wars we get, the more money the military-industrial complex makes, and the safer the jobs are of those in intel, because they get to be spying and bringing forth offerings to the President of the United States each day in the way of something called intelligence.

00:22:16.080 That didn't recognize, apparently, 200,000 Russian troops around the border of Ukraine and the clear intent of Vladimir Putin to invade, didn't recognize anything that was going on in Africa, didn't understand what was going on in the conflict of tribes within various, particularly northern Africa.

00:22:41.600 I mean, you go through this, and you look at what China is doing, and it's a surprise to American policymakers, because it's a surprise to our intel agencies.

00:22:52.280 And there's not even a word uttered, as far as I know, by these intelligence agencies about the absolute assault on the U.S. dollar.

00:23:03.160 There's not a word mentioned about economic stability and its importance to national security. 0.58

00:23:08.700 And what in the world are you fools doing in all of those committees, whether it's armed services, whether it's appropriations, whatever it may be, because you are spending us right into a fiscal disaster of immense proportions. 0.93

00:23:24.600 I mean, that's where we are. 0.98

00:23:26.640 There's no judgment that I can see in the intel community whatsoever.

00:23:32.460 I can't pick out the agency.

00:23:33.960 I guess if I had to pick one agency that's probably doing pretty well, it's the big old spy agency, your former agency, NSA.

00:23:42.520 Well, one thing about NSA is their job is to look at signals intelligence.

00:23:46.000 So you get to hear what your potential enemy is saying.

00:23:49.680 Now, if that link is compromised, they may be saying something over the air to throw you off, which is part of that puzzle I told you where they throw in those puzzle pieces to throw you off the trail.

00:24:01.000 Well, but it's it's not everyone in the until you when during the the situation.

00:24:08.560 I want to be clear about this, Russ.

00:24:11.260 I'm not talking about the individuals.

00:24:13.100 I'm really not, because many, as you are about to say, are great Americans.

00:24:18.320 But what I am talking about are the corruption of those institutions and certainly their leadership, because they are accountable for I should be accountable for their transgressions against the Constitution, which they're supposed to be serving and the nation they're supposed to be serving.

00:24:38.700 Well, for instance, Ben Laden, when we had him pinned down at the mountain, Tora Bora, everyone in the intel community was screaming at the president to call in the 101st or the 82nd Airborne to shore up the backside of that mountain because we knew it was porous.

00:24:55.460 And we can go in and kill every living thing in that mountain.

00:24:58.860 And we could have been in and out. 0.89

00:25:00.640 And for the for a period of time, I'm like, why?

00:25:03.360 We begged the president, begged him, please do this will be done.

00:25:07.920 And then I realized this is because they want a protracted war so they can spend billions of dollars and make a whole lot of defense folks and everybody else getting paid off a lot of money.

00:25:19.620 It's also because the president you're talking of wanted the fundamental transformation of America.

00:25:24.840 He had a number of agendas working at the same time, right?

00:25:29.540 Apparently so.

00:25:30.460 At my level, you know, I don't get to see that.

00:25:34.640 But then, all right, so when we go into Iran, I mean, not Iran, Iraq, then supposedly we have everything calmed down basically because we bought off Muqtada al-Sadr by paying him cash every month.

00:25:48.240 So we're paying him off for this supposed piece and everything we're doing is working.

00:25:54.420 And once those payments stop, it all goes right back down the drain again.

00:25:58.980 But the great thing is that everybody burned all of the poppy fields. 0.95

00:26:03.600 So the warlords were completely without cash.

00:26:07.060 You know, it's one of the great questions.

00:26:08.660 And there's only one answer.

00:26:10.740 It was utter corruption that the United States military and intel services did not destroy every every poppy field in Afghanistan. 0.50

00:26:20.740 And deprive them of that capital and actually carry out a war.

00:26:26.700 Now, I have to give the CIA and and the U.S. military great credit because within one year of entering, which was they entered in October of 20.

00:26:38.060 Let me go back to 2001.

00:26:42.240 They entered in that in that in that October period.

00:26:46.880 They within within eight months had effective control of Afghanistan.

00:26:52.300 They the CIA, their paramilitary and U.S. special forces.

00:26:57.540 I mean, people, it's a matter of history. 1.00

00:26:59.660 It's what we did after that that is monstrously stupid. 0.99

00:27:04.960 That was only with the support of the warlords that we were able to do that. 0.98

00:27:08.840 And where did the warlords get get met?

00:27:11.060 Much of their their their proceeds were from the production of poppies.

00:27:15.720 So not not only do we not burn the poppy fields, we had U.S. soldiers protecting the poppy fields because we're trying to win the hearts and minds of the locals.

00:27:26.120 And the locals are the farmers growing the poppies.

00:27:29.200 And that was their main source of income.

00:27:31.980 The State Department sends a message over while we're over there that says, hey, tell tell the farmers to grow asparagus because apparently that helped a little.

00:27:41.140 Well, yeah, in Central or South America, they did this to try to get farmers not to grow cocaine or a coca plants.

00:27:50.940 And asparagus is a high yield vegetable that people like to buy.

00:27:54.300 But if you've ever looked at the land, the turf in Afghanistan, it is the soil.

00:28:00.840 The only thing you could grow is poppies.

00:28:02.760 You couldn't grow anything.

00:28:04.120 I'm happy to say I've only seen pictures of the terrain.

00:28:07.600 Russ, we thank you so much for being with us.

00:28:09.880 This story is going to be around for quite some time.

00:28:13.900 And I think it really is.

00:28:15.800 I hope it could.

00:28:17.180 It certainly could be pivotal in bringing some understanding to the American people about exactly what their intelligence agencies are about,

00:28:27.280 how politicized they are and how weaponized our federal government is against the American people.

00:28:33.660 Russ Tice, great American.

00:28:35.740 Thanks for being with us.

00:28:36.680 God bless you.

00:28:37.240 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.

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The Great America Show - May 06, 2024

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