SUPREME LEAK - INTIMIDATION OF JUSTICES？ IT’S HAPPENED BEFORE!
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Chief Justice Roberts has launched an investigation into who leaked the Roe v. Wade decision that Roberts acknowledged is authentic but not final. Is the Chief Justice maneuvering to influence a different vote in which he sided with the liberal justices? And just how corrupt is the nation s capital? Why aren t we learning more about the 4-year grand jury investigation of Hunter Biden? What s taking so long? And are those questions, and the Supreme Court s leak, both efforts to shift momentum as we approach the midterms? We take that up and more with former Attorney General Matt Whitaker, Corruption and Justice in America.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. We're delighted to have you
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with us. And there's a storm gathering over the Supreme Court and an administration trying its
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level best to play politics with the leak from the Supreme Court that sent shockwaves throughout
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the country. Now, Chief Justice Roberts has launched an investigation into who leaked the
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draft decision that Roberts acknowledged is authentic, but not final, he says. Is the
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Chief Justice maneuvering to influence a different vote in which he sided with the liberal justices?
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And just how corrupt is the nation's capital? Why aren't we learning more about the four-year
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grand jury investigation of Hunter Biden? What's taking so long? And are those questions and the
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Supreme Court's leak of the Roe v. Wade decision, both efforts to shift momentum as we approach the
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midterm elections? We take that up and more with former Attorney General Matt Whitaker,
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Corruption and Justice in America. And first, we turn to the state of Texas and its Attorney General,
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Ken Paxton, who's joined with other state attorneys general with brief supporting reversal of Roe v.
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Wade. Well, first, Mr. Attorney General, congratulations on everything you're doing
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and all of your success in court. The Supreme Court, your first, your reaction to this leak
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of what appears to be the way the court is going to go if it hasn't indeed finalized it yet.
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Look, I'm shocked. I've literally never seen anything like this in my life. It's hard not
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to think. Obviously, it was on purpose. If it's a leak, I think it's going to change the nature of
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how the court has to operate. And I certainly hope they get to the bottom of this because it's
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interesting that this would be the case that it gets leaked. None of the others have ever been
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leaked. And here we are, I think, trying to put pressure on the opinion before it's out and put
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public pressure on these justices to change their minds before the final version comes out.
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Well, actually, in support of what you're saying, Chief Justice Roberts, confirming that the Roe v.
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Wade leak is real, is authentic, as he put it, but says that it's not a final decision.
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Your reaction? And it does. Now it sounds like with his statement that it is attempted intimidation of
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the court. Yeah, I mean, I would have guessed that just from the fact that it's this opinion
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and the fact that we're still probably close to two months out from getting that opinion.
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And what better way to put pressure on the justices as they'll leak it to the media who's
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going to pound away at this issue? It's probably the most important issue there is to the very,
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very liberal left. And so they're going to be galvanized to go put that pressure on the court.
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And if that was the direction of the court, what other way can you change it other than to leak
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the opinion and then try to put public pressure and media pressure on those justices? And now you
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get people like Bernie Sanders calling for changes related to the court and passing laws that affect
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this. So I think it was design play, and I hope that we get to the bottom of it, we understand what
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happened. It didn't take long for the leaders of both coasts and the Democratic Party, the Speaker of
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the House, Pelosi from California, and the majority leader, Chuck Schumer from New York. They pounced
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immediately and launched into all of this rhetoric about packing the court again. I mean, their hair
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was on fire from just the moment that that leak was reported by Politico.
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Well, and that's very concerning. That would be their first reaction. If the shoe were on the other
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foot, and this were some more liberal court with a more liberal opinion that was on a fundamental
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issue to our side, and that was leaked, they would be calling for some type of response from the court,
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and they would be criticizing whoever leaked it. But apparently, they don't care that the procedures
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have been followed for, you know, what looks like hundreds of years were actually following this
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case. They have no regard for the process. They only care about results, getting their results no
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matter how it is, no matter whether it's right or wrong. They want the results the way they want
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the results. You know, that's very, very much like some of the other countries that we fight and that
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we are fighting to not be like. Well, how serious is the leak in terms of possible punishment? Because Chief
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Justice Roberts did order an investigation, and he seemed genuinely upset. I think that they, you know,
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anybody that wasn't a part of this should be genuinely upset, because it definitely changes the internal
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workings of the court that have been, you know, a tradition for, you know, decades, if not hundreds of years.
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And now this confidence and trust that they've built is going to be questioned by the other
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justices, really all the justices, because now they don't know really what's going on, and they don't
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know if the process is going to be honored. And certainly, if I'm the Chief Justice, I want to get
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to the bottom of this, and there has to be some type of consequences for whoever did this, whether it's,
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you know, another justice, or whether it's, you know, as speculated, a staff member.
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And Chief Justice Roberts is, again, with his outrage and with this investigation, we also are learning that
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he did not want to go along with the majority, as he was put there as a conservative. He is also the guy
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who said there are no Republican judges and no Democrat judges, no Obama judges, no Bush judges, is the way he put
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it. That's put to the lie every day in federal district courts and higher courts across the land,
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Yeah, and the reality is the justices appointed by Obama or Clinton have been markedly consistent
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on being pretty liberal and ignoring the Constitution, which is a judicial philosophy that I've never been
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able to stomach, because it means we don't really have a Constitution. We have what's called a living and
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breathing document. It means whatever they say it means today, which is nothing to confine the
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government from doing whatever they want. On the other hand, it seems like, you know, many of the
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justices that we've appointed, particularly this Bush judge, don't necessarily stick with those
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constitutional philosophies that have kept this country free.
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Well, Justice Roberts, siding with the liberal justices in this, he was once considered a
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constitutionalist and an originalist, going with the text of the Constitution. I can't remember the last time
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No, the bigger opinions have now been swayed. He's been swayed more with the liberals, whether it's Obamacare.
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I know that he sided with Justice Kennedy when they wrote, this was a long time ago, when they wrote the
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USV Arizona case that basically took away any power of the states to protect themselves from
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illegal immigration when the federal government was basically cooperating with cartels. So it has
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been extremely disappointing. It felt like when he was first appointed, he was more like what we
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expected. And over time, you know, maybe he's showing who he really is, or maybe his positions have
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changed. You know, living in D.C. has an impact on people. And who knows what it is? I don't know
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that we'll ever know until somebody writes a book about it that really knows.
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And this decision, do you believe if, as the Chief Justice says, it is not final? That begins to look
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like a stratagem on his part, a rationalization, if you will, for some flexibility, to use the Obama
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word. You read on what that means and what we should attach to a statement that it's not a final
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decision. Well, I think it's a draft. And I think, you know, those guys negotiate back and forth on
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drafts and who's going to position on what side of a draft. And if you put this in, I'll move over
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here. I mean, those negotiations were probably still ongoing. What happened was this is such an
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important decision to the liberal left that they decided we can't take any chances. We're going to
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break the protocol, the rules, and we're going to put this out there hoping that by putting the
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pressure on, somebody will feel the pressure, apparently not Roberts, but maybe one of the
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other five, to do a switch. And, you know, there have been rumors that that has happened in the past,
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like with Obamacare. Everybody thought Roberts was going to rule with the conservatives, and he
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went the other way. So who knows? I don't know that we'll know right away. I think we may know,
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you know, after the fact, what actually happened. Now, this decision wasn't expected until next
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month. Do you think that is still the same? I would assume it is the same schedule?
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Yeah, I mean, typically, the Supreme Court, you know, at the end of their terms starts issuing
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their opinions in June. And the ones that are most controversial tend to be issued later in June. So
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I would have expected this in the very last week of June. You know, you never know the Supreme Court
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can do what they want. And when they put those out, but that's what I would have expected,
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just as a matter of sort of tradition. And as we look at the political impact of this,
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what do you, is there an impact? First of all, let's start with the great state of Texas.
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Is there a palpable political impact in your state in, as we look out to the midterm elections,
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where the Democrats are being devastated? I mean, let's be very candid about this.
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We have never seen poll numbers like this in my career for the opposite party. This defies anything
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Oh, you know, there's no doubt that that's right. I don't think the Democrats can turn this around
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at this point. The damage has been so traumatic from Afghanistan and the pictures of it looking like
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Vietnam and the travesty of that, the border problem that only gets worse every day because
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the Biden administration continues to empower the cartels, to what's going on with the economy and
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this runaway inflation that we haven't seen in 40 years since Jimmy Carter was in office.
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Obviously, his presidency was viewed as a failure. And this president is actually making Jimmy Carter
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look like a fairly decent president. And that's where the Democrats are right now.
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It's hard to come back from that. Hard to come back from it. And I was talking with John McLaughlin,
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the GOP strategist and one of the country's very best pollsters, talking about the way this issue of
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abortion cuts right now in a divided America. And I was actually surprised. It's actually 50-50.
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There are no undecideds. It's 50-50. Pro-life, pro-choice. And that tells you that this is just
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going to, I think, probably have people on either side just dig in more, don't you?
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Yeah, although I do think it's appropriate for, and I've always thought this, that individual states,
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that the Supreme Court, one of the arguments we made in the amicus brief with the other 23 states,
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we made the argument, look, the Supreme Court has been doing this in 1972. They took over
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the regulation of abortion. And they've done a really poor job of it. We say it in the brief.
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You've done a really poor job. It changes based on what justices are in there. There's no certainty
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that the states let the states go back and make the decisions, whether it's Massachusetts or Texas.
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They can make their own decision. They'll make different decisions. And this has been a country of
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experimentation by states. And people can then vote with their feet. And we're already seeing that,
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obviously, in Florida and Texas and Tennessee and other Republican states are having a massive
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increase of people because people are, they want freedom and they want opportunity, economic
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opportunity. And they're coming to Republican states that offer that. And so I say, let the states decide
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if Massachusetts makes a different decision than Texas. I'm okay with that. I know that the other
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side is not okay with that. They don't want people having choice, although they say they do.
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They want to dictate to us through nine members of the Supreme Court what the law should be.
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That's not how the Constitution works. That's not how our system of government should work.
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The Marxist left, the Democrat Party, is now the party of authoritarianism. There is no question
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about it. That impulse runs throughout this administration. And it's throughout the party itself.
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I want to also turn to one other point, if I may, Mr. Attorney General. And that is what you also
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included in your brief was the role of science here. And science is working against the so-called
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pro-choice side of this argument, because now we know that life can be sustained from a very,
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very early stage. And I happen personally to believe that life begins at conception.
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But for those who believe otherwise, the science is saying that we can see what's happening. We know
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what's happening because of the advanced technology and medical devices that are available to us now.
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Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. And there's no doubt. I agree with you. Life does begin at conception.
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I think that's a fact. But viability is working in our favor. As science and progressions in health
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care for these unborn babies gets better, the timeline for when they should be able to get
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away with killing a baby is clearly moving backwards. And when these babies become viable,
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which is, as you said, sooner and sooner, our argument, based on science, is becoming stronger
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and stronger. And I think that's a good sign for people who believe in the pro-life movement.
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And my first reaction was when I heard what appeared to be the news that the Supreme Court
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had struck down Roe v. Wade. I thought this is a real opportunity for the nation to reflect on what has
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been 50 years of, in my opinion, immorality and evil, evil political and legal standards that have
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just created so much more pain than it ever was supposed to salve. It certainly didn't approach
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those levels. I just think it is a time for us irrespective to think about this reflect prayer
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carefully on what this nation should be, who we should be as Americans. And I think we can be
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much better than we've been. Your thoughts as we conclude here.
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Yeah, and I can agree with you more. It's been a travesty that if you don't protect, you know,
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the people who can't protect themselves, the unborn, then you're no longer a good country. And I think
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the fact that we're moving back in a direction where we have the opportunity to protect the unborn
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is a good sign for America. It's a good sign for the system that we have been struggling in over
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the last 50 years to turn it back to protecting life. And so just the fact that this decision is
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finally being rectified and given back to the state and giving us the opportunity in every state to go
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make the argument to protect life, even in states that tend to be more liberal, we've seen where
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persistence and caring about what's right and wrong really do matter. It happened in this country with
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slavery. And it's not like we've ever gotten it perfect since then, but we have at least moved
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in the right direction. And that's what I'm hoping for the pro-life movement, that we'll start moving
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in the right direction. And each year, we'll make progress towards saving lives.
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Amen. I couldn't agree with you more. And I want to just compliment you and thank you for all that you
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are doing for this country and for your great state of Texas. Attorney General Ken Paxton, thanks so much.
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Thanks, Ken Paxton. And now with us is the former Attorney General, Matt Whitaker, Attorney General
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under President Trump. And Matt is now co-chair of the Center for Law and Justice at the America
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First Policy Institute and board member of the America First Institute itself and author of the book
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Above the Law and a Great American. Matt Whitaker, it is great to have you with us on the
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Great America Show. Thanks for being here. Lou, I'm so proud to be with you and I look forward to our
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discussion. Well, we've got, as you know, a lot to take up. This is an extraordinary moment in American
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history. Let's start with the disinformation board that President Biden wishes to create. A disinformation
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board, which I love the line that they used in the release from the White House, a disinformation
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board to manage misinformation. I don't think they have a very good sense of their own absurdity. Do
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you? I don't think they understand the joke that this is on them because they take this,
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unfortunately, way too seriously and don't realize and step right on it, quite frankly, Lou,
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the First Amendment. And so they have, if you saw on the Sunday shows, they walked this back so
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quickly. You know, clearly this was going to be big government deciding what the truth was. And I was
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referring to it as a ministry of truth because that's exactly how they had set it up. And obviously,
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you know, now they are limiting it to foreign actors and disinformation coming from Russia and
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China and all these other places that are, you know, are threats to the United States and our
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sovereignty. But at the same time, this level of walk back I have not seen in Washington, D.C. in a
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long time. Yeah, I think that the reaction from even some members of the Democratic Party were
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outraged at this madness. And what authority does President Biden have to create such an agency?
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Well, I can't find it anywhere in DHS's, you know, powers or in their authorization
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to do something like this. You know, I guess if I was being generous, which I typically am not to
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this administration, I would guess that it's in their intelligence part, you know, in their
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intelligence gathering and they're part of being part of the intelligence community,
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that they could, you know, have some functionality that looks at other countries, you know, trying
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to, you know, sow discord within the United States. But, you know, the level with which
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that they had planned to, I think before this all blew up in their face, but the level which
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they had planned to sit on top of social media and, you know, Americans' free speech was
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breathtaking. And I think it caused a lot of concern amongst a lot of people on both sides
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of the aisle that the DHS, you know, could ever have that kind of power. Certainly, it had never
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And, you know, I suspected that, and I'm glad to hear you with your knowledge and your acumen
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discussing, because I really, I'm just stunned that a president of the United States, now this
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president is taking some considerable liberties with the term head of state, in my opinion,
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but to go so far as to be creating agencies with the stroke of a pen, or perhaps not even
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the stroke of a pen, just ordering it, and moving on Title 42, eliminating that, having
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a distribution system that he put together an entire network to move illegal immigrants
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in the dead of night into various cities and towns across the country and states, and not
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inform governors or mayors or county supervisors for crying out loud about what he's doing, let
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No, and this is the thing that I keep looking at as it relates to Title 42, is, you know,
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everyone agrees the system's broken. Everyone agrees that the level with which illegals are
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coming in is unsustainable. You know, Jay Johnson, during the Trump administration, said that a
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thousand illegals per day was a crisis. You know, we are now at seven or eight thousand, and if
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Title 42 is removed, we'll be at 18 to 20 thousand, it's staggering. And the system, you know, having
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run the immigration courts at the Department of Justice, which they're part of, I saw firsthand how
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these bogus claims for asylum really are troubling. You know, so few people show up for their hearing in the
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first place, so few are granted asylum under our laws, because as you can imagine, our laws are actually
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fairly stringent as to who gets in under a claim of asylum. And certainly these people that are suffering from
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economic problems in Guatemala or elsewhere in the country do not qualify under U.S. law for asylum.
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And so, you know, and then, and you know this issue as well as I, if not better, Lou, you know that once
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somebody files for asylum, within six months they're entitled to a green card. And they can work for, you know,
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really until their case is adjudicated, which is often years or, you know, now it's going to be
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decades with this amount in the system. Yeah, it's, you know, as I look at this, what's going on, I see a
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level of coordination. I think that I just, I am just blown away that the national corporatist media,
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as biased as they are and as complicit as they are with the left in this country on the issue of
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illegal immigration and border security, that they don't even report on that correlation
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between immigration, border security, sex trafficking, human smuggling, deadly drugs pouring
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across the border. And then to be tied in to corporate America for cheap labor, as well as the
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democratic party, the Marxist left in this country for voters. And it is all, all a web of deceit
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pointed at one purpose. And that is to provide cheap labor, democratic votes, and to make certain
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that the cartels keep operating with high margins of profitability. Would you disagree?
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I don't know. There's, it was all factual. I think what's, what's most frustrating on top of
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everything you just pointed out was that then you have Secretary Mayorkas go on national TV on Sunday
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and suggest that he had operational control of the border. You know, look at the amount of effort
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and time and money being spent just by the state of Texas to try to do all they can to prevent people
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from illegally crossing the border. And you know that they are not serious people when it comes to
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stemming the flow of, of not only to your point, not only illegal aliens, but deadly fentanyl,
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you know, run of the mill cocaine and other, you know, illicit drugs. And the, you know,
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and the human trafficking toll is, is really, I think the hardest thing because, you know,
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you have children and women that are, you know, tell stories of being raped and taken advantage of
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on this very perilous journey, you know, to try to get to the United States. And if we could just
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have the political will, and we did in the Trump administration, we, a lot of this had been solved.
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A lot of our policies, whether it was remain in Mexico, whether it was changing some of these
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asylum adjudication claims, you know, taking care of them at the first chance when, when they meet
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with an officer to file their original claim, you know, all these things were resolved and taken
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care of. And we had smart, well thought of policies in place, and they just ripped it out by the roots.
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And now you have complete chaos on our Southern border.
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And, and we had the support of the Mexican government. People don't, I don't think typically
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realize what president Trump accomplished with Manuel Lopez Obrador, the president of Mexico
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in getting 26,000 troops up to the Northern provinces to secure that border from their side.
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That's the first time that's ever happened. And now of course, those troops were pulled and we are
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at the mercy of, uh, really the, the, the, the iron triangle, uh, all of the central America.
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And of course, through Mexico, it's just simply a, uh, easy pass, uh, and, uh, thoroughfare to the
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Northern border. It's just terrible. What, uh, what has happened under this administration.
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I want to, I want to turn to back to this, uh, ministry of truth, because I kept thinking
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as you watch Mayorkas responding, you know, full control of the border, all of that nonsense,
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there would have been a great moment for Nina Jankiewicz, the, the prospective head of that
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agency to have said, you know, this is misinformation. This is disinformation. This is a disinformation
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campaign coming from my boss at the department of Homeland security, because that's exactly what
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it was. It was, uh, we're being subjected. I truly believe that to more disinformation from our own
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government than we are from foreign governments, including Russia and China. Your thoughts.
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I completely agree. I mean, if you look at his testimony last week, um, in front of the, uh, I think
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it was the house judiciary committee, you see, um, how he is either unwilling, unable, uh, to answer the
00:26:42.720
questions or is completely false in his answers, uh, and, and omits key, uh, pieces of what he should
00:26:51.140
be talking about. You know, you think about the 42 terrorists, uh, people on the terrorist watch list
00:26:56.620
that were encountered at our Southern border. Um, you know, he really still hasn't explained it
00:27:01.100
other than he knows where all 42 are. Uh, it is believed that all 42 are by the way, in the United
00:27:06.860
States of America, Lou, and that should concern every American because I think this unsecure Southern
00:27:12.220
border is a real security threat. Uh, not only what's happening and the destabilization of all
00:27:18.080
those people coming into our country and coming into our major cities, but the fact of who is getting
00:27:23.900
through, uh, this porous border, uh, should be a concern to all Americans. And, you know, I, I just, I, I
00:27:29.620
really, I have a sense of foreboding as it relates to what's going to be the consequences of letting, uh,
00:27:37.080
this many people into our country, even, you know, even if we're watching all 42 of them,
00:27:40.780
I know the time, effort, and expense with which that takes to follow, uh, and make sure you have
00:27:48.060
your, you know, a sense of what these potential terrorists are doing. And that's, you know,
00:27:52.560
that's a disaster in the making. Yeah. I'm afraid you're right. Uh, it is, uh, it's, it's a terrible,
00:27:59.540
terrible thing that we have done to immigration, customs, enforcement, homeland, uh, security,
00:28:04.320
uh, and border patrol customs, uh, they've just been moved to the side. Uh, a number of people
00:28:10.340
talking about, there are nothing more than a welcome wagon right now for all of the illegal
00:28:14.840
immigration, by the way, that number that I, that I've heard, and I want to see what you think of
00:28:19.800
this. They're talking about somewhere between seven and 8 million illegal immigrants in the country,
00:28:25.220
uh, with the, with the demise of title 42, uh, in the, in the next year, that's after 2 million.
00:28:32.660
And of those, uh, over the first year of the Biden administration, 1.6 million have been relocated
00:28:39.260
in the United States. No questions asked. Yeah. Those numbers are accurate and it's only getting
00:28:44.720
worse, uh, with, with really no plan, uh, to do anything about it, uh, other than talk and, uh,
00:28:51.640
provide, you know, nonsense, uh, which is what, you know, you've seen over the last week from the
00:28:56.760
Department of Homeland Security's leadership, you know, and that's the sad thing is the, you know,
00:29:00.620
the women, women of the border patrol and ICE, they want to do their jobs. They don't want to be,
00:29:06.600
uh, uh, prevented from enforcing the border laws and the immigration laws, but, you know,
00:29:12.080
their bosses in Washington, DC, especially, uh, Secretary Mayorkas, uh, have been unwilling to
00:29:18.400
give them the go ahead to do their job. And it's just, it's a shame. And it's, you know, one of the
00:29:24.360
many things we did right in the Trump administration. And one of the key pieces that the Biden
00:29:28.600
administration is getting completely wrong. The other big story, uh, right now, again,
00:29:35.120
not given, I think, sufficient attention by the national media, the FBI conducting potentially
00:29:41.960
millions of searches, 3.6 million searches of Americans data last year. Now that's the FBI at
00:29:52.940
work. Once again, Matt, what is going on here? Uh, and what is your analysis of just how serious
00:30:01.540
this, this is? It's, it's serious, but it's not as serious as maybe it sounds on the headline and
00:30:09.020
I'll explain to you what I know. And, you know, this is obviously dated. I left the administration,
00:30:13.960
uh, of president Trump in 2019. And so I can only tell you what I know, but, you know,
00:30:18.880
fundamentally, um, information is collected by the NSA and every, you know, if you want to learn more
00:30:24.680
about that, there's even plenty, uh, published on that subject, but long story short is they are
00:30:29.680
collecting information. That information is supposed to be limited to foreign, foreign nationals, but
00:30:35.740
obviously, uh, foreign nationals communicate with other foreign nationals, but they also communicate
00:30:40.240
with Americans. And so you end up with this haystack, uh, with which you're trying to find a needle in.
00:30:46.760
And, uh, one of the ways you find a needle is to run a query, um, uh, and do, do a search for
00:30:53.800
certain terms or certain people or, or, or, or the like. And, um, so you end up just because your,
00:31:00.860
your, your haystack has Americans in it, you end up collect, you know, kind of doing a search that
00:31:05.960
includes, it returns Americans information. Um, at every step that is to be minimized, that is to be,
00:31:13.740
uh, not used. And, and they're, they're very serious consequences and very serious laws.
00:31:18.780
Uh, the, the problem, uh, that I see is just the sheer quantity when you're in the 3 million,
00:31:24.620
uh, you know, returns from that database that to me says, you're, you know, you're searching for the
00:31:30.060
wrong thing and you're picking, you know, you're getting too many Americans, um, in your, in your data
00:31:35.700
scrubs. And so I am, um, you know, I've had this explained to me, uh, many times and, uh, it's still,
00:31:43.860
I think there is, there are, there are, there's more discipline that needs to come to that process,
00:31:49.060
uh, that I just, unfortunately I don't see right now the FBI doing. I hope that, that they figure it
00:31:55.940
out. Uh, I think that these tools, uh, are necessary and appropriate when used correctly,
00:32:02.160
but with that amount of return of U S people's information being included in these searches,
00:32:06.960
I think it's very concerning. And, uh, and, you know, obviously they haven't got it right yet.
00:32:10.960
Yeah. They haven't got it right yet. They didn't have it right when they renewed the, uh,
00:32:16.160
the, the 702s. Uh, I, I really was begging, uh, Congress not, not to reauthorize that until they had
00:32:26.400
some guidelines that made sense. And until the Congress has actual oversight over our national
00:32:32.700
security agencies, including the FBI's national security division, uh, as well as, uh, the 17 other
00:32:40.080
agencies that we have carrying out intelligence operations. What do you think of that? I just don't
00:32:45.740
understand why we, why the Congress, the United States does not, and I mean, Congress and the Senate
00:32:51.700
government does not insist on its, its oversight responsibilities, having teeth. Uh, they were
00:32:59.080
basically bystanders now. Yeah, they are. And, and unfortunately, if you know, having, you know,
00:33:07.980
knowing members of Congress and interacted with them, you know, especially in my house judiciary
00:33:13.120
testimony a couple of years ago, um, you know, I'm not sure a lot of them understand how these
00:33:19.140
technologies work. I don't think they have the current curiosity to understand how these
00:33:23.760
technologies work. And so they're not very good at their oversight role. I wish, you know, that
00:33:29.460
people like John Ratcliffe were still in the Congress that understood how this works, why they're
00:33:36.540
necessary and, um, and appropriate. But, you know, I, I agree with you. I think when they reauthorized
00:33:42.240
702, I was at the department of justice at the time. I remember the push that we were making and the
00:33:47.600
arguments we were making, I'm not sure based on this data, you know, that would, that just came
00:33:51.880
out of the over 3 million Americans data being included in these, uh, searches. I just am not
00:33:57.960
sure that they lived up to the promises that, that we made, uh, under this reauthorization. So I hear
00:34:03.440
what you're saying. And I, it's a, it's a very valid criticism. And, uh, and one wonders what it's
00:34:10.060
going to take for us to reach that point where Congress can reassert itself. And I will, I will
00:34:15.440
acknowledge that there are a number of people in intelligence committees in both the Senate
00:34:20.020
and the house, uh, that I, if I were in running intelligence or a part of the leadership, I would
00:34:26.420
be very uncomfortable sharing that information with those people. I'm not suggesting that there
00:34:30.980
aren't a few, uh, a few arguments on the other side of that, uh, that, uh, well, I'm going to name
00:34:37.820
one. I don't think Adam Schiff should be allowed anywhere near, uh, intelligence. Uh, quite frankly,
00:34:42.780
he has proved that he's not trustworthy and will use it for political gain whenever he
00:34:46.760
can. Right. All right. And, uh, and I would second your motion. It's just, he is something
00:34:53.600
else. And then to see him show up in the, in, uh, in Ukraine, uh, it's just disgusting.
00:34:59.920
But, uh, what they do, the left does to support their ragged, a bunch of, uh, Marxist activists.
00:35:07.960
And he is certainly amongst the foremost. Let me, let me turn here to, if I may, the, the issue of
00:35:16.260
Eric Garland, and I'm getting close to, to, to your old job as the attorney general,
00:35:21.660
what possibility is there that we're ever going to get a, get justice for Donald Trump?
00:35:31.580
President Trump has now as a candidate, as a president, uh, as a former president and private
00:35:39.080
citizen has now is entered. He's now entered the seventh year of what is nothing more than a
00:35:45.520
partisan persecution of both a candidate and a president. And it's just disgusting to me that
00:35:53.480
no one has stood up, not in the Republican party, not a single attorney general has said,
00:35:58.460
ladies and gentlemen, this is madness and it has to stop now. What, what are we waiting for,
00:36:05.680
for, for reason to prevail decency to prevail here, Matt?
00:36:10.180
Well, issue number one is, you know, thank God that Donald Trump's a fighter, uh, because,
00:36:16.360
you know, a lesser man, uh, someone without his resources would have obviously been buried
00:36:22.640
by this level of harassment, uh, by not only the federal government, but the state, you know,
00:36:28.140
the state of New York has been, uh, almost, uh, as bad in their constant, you know, looking for
00:36:34.340
anything, uh, that they could possibly accuse him of, um, you know, having sat in that seat,
00:36:40.160
Lou, and, and, you know, you and I have talked about this before, um, you know, I, I, obviously I
00:36:45.740
was led to believe and, and had reason to believe that the best thing for our country
00:36:50.880
was to get the Mueller report completed. Um, what I was not told is that they were planning on it to
00:36:56.980
be 450 pages long and, and, and include, uh, completely bogus, uh, uh, obstruction of justice
00:37:05.520
accusations, uh, without the evidence to back it up. So, um, you know, that is obviously, uh, I've been
00:37:12.980
very outspoken. I wrote a whole book on this topic and, you know, kind of my conscience is clean in my
00:37:18.300
role sitting in that chair. Uh, a lot of mistakes were made, uh, by the president and his administration
00:37:25.060
before I got there, including the appointment of special counsel and Robert Mueller by the deputy
00:37:30.420
attorney general, who was the acting attorney general for purposes of the Russia investigation.
00:37:34.080
But, you know, that die was cast by Jim Comey. Uh, let's be honest. It was, it's this, you know,
00:37:38.960
exactly what you're seeing playing out right now with this conspiracy between Clapper, Comey,
00:37:43.880
and others in the intelligence community to take what everyone knew was political disinformation.
00:37:51.180
It was a DNC hit job and turn it into and create a criminal investigation. And, you know, the fact
00:38:00.960
that the, you know, I inherited it after the, you know, we were at 30,000 feet trying to get this
00:38:06.000
plane on the ground. Um, you know, and it's just, it was, it just points to how dishonest everyone
00:38:11.560
involved in that Mueller investigation was and how they would say anything in hopes of trying to
00:38:16.920
take down the president and create a roadmap for impeachment. I mean, they impeached the guy twice.
00:38:21.860
Uh, they continue to harass him, uh, with criminal investigations. It's, it's, it's outrageous.
00:38:27.140
It's disgusting. It's every word you can possibly put on it. But at the same time, um, you know,
00:38:32.200
this guy's a fighter and I don't see him doing anything other than being victorious at the end of
00:38:36.540
the day. And history is already on his side, uh, with the revelations, uh, by the New York times
00:38:44.680
and the Washington post. Yes, indeed. The, the Hunter Biden laptop is real. Its contents are real
00:38:50.840
and they implicate the president of the United States and his entire family, uh, as a criminal
00:38:55.760
enterprise. Right. And how many times did president Bush get hoodwinked by these types of games?
00:39:00.980
Right. Uh, we, we, we can't even count because, you know, this is the thing, Donald Trump fought
00:39:04.720
back. He knew the truth and he, he tirelessly fought until the truth got out. And, you know,
00:39:11.580
and this is the, this is just the indomitable spirit that I know out of him. And, and I respect just,
00:39:16.760
you know, the hell out of, well, you and me and millions of Americans, uh, do and want justice for
00:39:23.980
him. And, uh, and some, some accounting from the democratic party, which bears great responsibility
00:39:32.040
in all of this is does the Clinton campaign, uh, and the entire apparatus that's built up around them
00:39:38.620
in Washington, DC. I, I, I want to also ask you where is John Durham, as you and I've discussed
00:39:47.620
previously has done a marvelous job of his invest with his investigation. Uh, will we see something
00:39:56.920
from him before this election? I don't know. You know, his whole charge was to, um, investigate
00:40:04.260
and get to the bottom of the origins of the Russian collusion hoax. And I think he's done an exceptional
00:40:10.680
job of not only explaining what happened, but succinctly explaining what happened so that everyone
00:40:17.200
can see, uh, how the dirty trick played by, uh, Michael Sussman and DNC and Fusion GPS and Hillary
00:40:25.640
Clinton, uh, how that kind of ran its course, uh, through, you know, through America and, and how
00:40:31.000
really, this is one of the most frustrating things for me, Lou. And, um, you know, they're, they're the
00:40:36.760
conflation between every four years, Russia tries to, you know, interfere with our election. Uh, you know,
00:40:43.680
that happened in 2020, it happened 2016, it happened in 2012 and, and 2008 and 2004. And I can go back
00:40:51.680
probably to the seventies and demonstrate how they've, how they tried to interfere with our
00:40:56.440
election. But then to, to take this narrative, uh, that this DNC collect, uh, you know, created with
00:41:04.380
Hillary Clinton and others, uh, to marry that to this interference and to make it sound, um, you know,
00:41:12.140
more, uh, certainly more nefarious and even criminal, uh, as it relates to Donald Trump and his campaign
00:41:17.700
is, is really, I think, um, you know, the, one of the most outrageous, uh, moments in American history.
00:41:23.820
And, you know, if we had a fair media, uh, which we don't, and, you know, I know, you know that, um,
00:41:30.020
but if we had a fair media, this would be, uh, dominating, uh, the news, uh, every day, all day
00:41:36.540
because, but, you know, the New York times, Washington post, CNN, MSNBC, you know, all of the,
00:41:42.300
the original, you know, mega media companies, um, you know, we're all complicit in trying to sell
00:41:48.020
this and now it's blown up in their face and they're just telling us to move along. And I think
00:41:51.760
that's, that's a shame because we haven't even heard yet exact everything that Durham has to say.
00:41:57.900
And, and we don't really even know we had William Bard out pushing his book and talking and
00:42:06.100
saying, uh, point blank. He knew that Joe Biden was lying. I knew it at the time in the midst of
00:42:12.120
that debate, he was lying about the laptop, his son, his businesses, the, the level of the investigation,
00:42:18.240
uh, uh, against, uh, Hunter Biden. And he decided not to intervene because of the election and which
00:42:28.280
was a, you know, for a smart man, that was a peculiar, a peculiar lapse of judgment and logic
00:42:34.360
because when he refused to intervene, he intervened. But in behalf of Joe Biden, your thoughts, you,
00:42:41.820
you sat in that same seat that he, he did your thoughts about what this man, and I know you
00:42:49.400
have high regard for him, what could possibly have seized him? Uh, because I have to ask,
00:42:57.060
you know, I feel like he's compromised in some way. I don't know what happened in that moment,
00:43:02.300
but it's, it's, it feels awfully ugly to me. Yeah, it does. And, uh, you know, I really think,
00:43:09.480
uh, that the, the, the jury's going to be out, um, until we, you know, get all the facts. We're close,
00:43:15.000
uh, getting closer, but I just don't think we have, we have that figured out yet.
00:43:19.820
I want to turn to Americans think whether it's the FBI, which looks absolutely rancid here,
00:43:26.840
uh, without, uh, it looks like corruption permeates the place, uh, not just the leadership,
00:43:34.360
but Americans believe that the intelligence community itself, uh, is in league with the,
00:43:40.920
the radical Marxist Dems that, uh, the left-wing corporate media, the justice department. It,
00:43:48.760
it seems unending the political corruption in the agencies that we're most dependent upon for the
00:43:55.740
security of the nation and for the enforcement of our laws and, and, uh, just plain beacons of decency
00:44:04.560
and law and order. Yeah. You know, I have such respect Lou, as you know, for the men and women
00:44:11.060
of law enforcement, and I've always blamed the highest level leaders at the FBI, especially for,
00:44:17.420
uh, many of these challenges that we faced, uh, the Trump administration and continue to face.
00:44:22.200
Um, I, I wish, uh, that they could see what they look like to the American people.
00:44:28.820
Yeah. It's, it's, do you think it'll change? Because I can't see how it changes.
00:44:34.020
I do. I do. I think it's going to, it changes with new leadership. Uh, but yeah, I think it
00:44:38.560
changes. It has to change. Can we do it without, uh, giving Congress greater, greater oversight?
00:44:46.100
No, uh, you know, if Congress would do the, the right and proper oversight, maybe Lou, but I just
00:44:52.700
don't, I don't know. I think that whole oversight system is fairly broken right now. And the, uh,
00:44:59.180
you know, without some real teeth, uh, by Congress and using all their powers, I, you know, it's going
00:45:03.760
to be tough, but, you know, I think new leadership, um, at the highest levels of some of the law
00:45:08.040
enforcement agencies and intel community, I think could make a huge difference.
00:45:11.240
Perhaps there's one footnote to all of this and we'll put it in perspective, how difficult
00:45:15.740
oversight is a member of the oversight committee. Uh, one of them was a guy by the name of Adam
00:45:22.420
Schiff. Uh, and that presents lots of problems and it's a, if you will, an avatar for the problems
00:45:29.800
that, uh, complicate oversight, uh, of these agencies by the U S Congress, Matt, we appreciate
00:45:37.460
it so much. Thanks so much. You're a great American.
00:45:40.020
And we're delighted to have you back with us on the great America show.
00:45:43.440
Thank you so much. They appreciate it, Lou, Matt Whitaker. And joining us here tomorrow,
00:45:49.000
we'll be talking with Dr. Robert Malone, who's been researching the role of Davos man in American
00:45:55.340
politics. Those who are trying to influence the one world order that the globalist elites are
00:46:02.160
working so hard to create. Please be with us for that. Thanks for joining us today. See you
00:46:08.120
tomorrow. Till then, God bless you and God bless America.