The Great America Show - SUPREME LEAK - INTIMIDATION OF JUSTICES？ IT’S HAPPENED BEFORE!

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. We're delighted to have you

00:00:05.720 with us. And there's a storm gathering over the Supreme Court and an administration trying its

00:00:11.660 level best to play politics with the leak from the Supreme Court that sent shockwaves throughout

00:00:18.440 the country. Now, Chief Justice Roberts has launched an investigation into who leaked the

00:00:24.580 draft decision that Roberts acknowledged is authentic, but not final, he says. Is the

00:00:31.360 Chief Justice maneuvering to influence a different vote in which he sided with the liberal justices?

00:00:37.940 And just how corrupt is the nation's capital? Why aren't we learning more about the four-year

00:00:43.700 grand jury investigation of Hunter Biden? What's taking so long? And are those questions and the

00:00:51.080 Supreme Court's leak of the Roe v. Wade decision, both efforts to shift momentum as we approach the

00:00:58.200 midterm elections? We take that up and more with former Attorney General Matt Whitaker,

00:01:04.300 Corruption and Justice in America. And first, we turn to the state of Texas and its Attorney General,

00:01:11.480 Ken Paxton, who's joined with other state attorneys general with brief supporting reversal of Roe v.

00:01:18.200 Wade. Well, first, Mr. Attorney General, congratulations on everything you're doing

00:01:24.260 and all of your success in court. The Supreme Court, your first, your reaction to this leak

00:01:30.480 of what appears to be the way the court is going to go if it hasn't indeed finalized it yet.

00:01:38.820 Look, I'm shocked. I've literally never seen anything like this in my life. It's hard not

00:01:44.420 to think. Obviously, it was on purpose. If it's a leak, I think it's going to change the nature of

00:01:49.320 how the court has to operate. And I certainly hope they get to the bottom of this because it's

00:01:52.540 interesting that this would be the case that it gets leaked. None of the others have ever been

00:01:57.440 leaked. And here we are, I think, trying to put pressure on the opinion before it's out and put

00:02:03.780 public pressure on these justices to change their minds before the final version comes out.

00:02:08.380 Well, actually, in support of what you're saying, Chief Justice Roberts, confirming that the Roe v.

00:02:16.660 Wade leak is real, is authentic, as he put it, but says that it's not a final decision.

00:02:25.120 Your reaction? And it does. Now it sounds like with his statement that it is attempted intimidation of

00:02:34.380 the court. Yeah, I mean, I would have guessed that just from the fact that it's this opinion

00:02:40.640 and the fact that we're still probably close to two months out from getting that opinion.

00:02:46.100 And what better way to put pressure on the justices as they'll leak it to the media who's

00:02:50.660 going to pound away at this issue? It's probably the most important issue there is to the very,

00:02:58.540 very liberal left. And so they're going to be galvanized to go put that pressure on the court.

00:03:03.740 And if that was the direction of the court, what other way can you change it other than to leak

00:03:08.680 the opinion and then try to put public pressure and media pressure on those justices? And now you

00:03:13.140 get people like Bernie Sanders calling for changes related to the court and passing laws that affect

00:03:19.580 this. So I think it was design play, and I hope that we get to the bottom of it, we understand what

00:03:25.420 happened. It didn't take long for the leaders of both coasts and the Democratic Party, the Speaker of

00:03:31.780 the House, Pelosi from California, and the majority leader, Chuck Schumer from New York. They pounced

00:03:39.040 immediately and launched into all of this rhetoric about packing the court again. I mean, their hair

00:03:48.620 was on fire from just the moment that that leak was reported by Politico.

00:03:54.240 Well, and that's very concerning. That would be their first reaction. If the shoe were on the other

00:04:00.840 foot, and this were some more liberal court with a more liberal opinion that was on a fundamental

00:04:05.780 issue to our side, and that was leaked, they would be calling for some type of response from the court,

00:04:12.400 and they would be criticizing whoever leaked it. But apparently, they don't care that the procedures

00:04:18.620 have been followed for, you know, what looks like hundreds of years were actually following this

00:04:23.840 case. They have no regard for the process. They only care about results, getting their results no

00:04:28.320 matter how it is, no matter whether it's right or wrong. They want the results the way they want

00:04:32.760 the results. You know, that's very, very much like some of the other countries that we fight and that

00:04:37.680 we are fighting to not be like. Well, how serious is the leak in terms of possible punishment? Because Chief

00:04:47.380 Justice Roberts did order an investigation, and he seemed genuinely upset. I think that they, you know,

00:04:56.480 anybody that wasn't a part of this should be genuinely upset, because it definitely changes the internal

00:05:01.060 workings of the court that have been, you know, a tradition for, you know, decades, if not hundreds of years.

00:05:07.680 And now this confidence and trust that they've built is going to be questioned by the other

00:05:15.100 justices, really all the justices, because now they don't know really what's going on, and they don't

00:05:18.680 know if the process is going to be honored. And certainly, if I'm the Chief Justice, I want to get

00:05:22.800 to the bottom of this, and there has to be some type of consequences for whoever did this, whether it's,

00:05:28.340 you know, another justice, or whether it's, you know, as speculated, a staff member.

00:05:33.080 And Chief Justice Roberts is, again, with his outrage and with this investigation, we also are learning that

00:05:42.540 he did not want to go along with the majority, as he was put there as a conservative. He is also the guy

00:05:50.540 who said there are no Republican judges and no Democrat judges, no Obama judges, no Bush judges, is the way he put

00:05:58.500 it. That's put to the lie every day in federal district courts and higher courts across the land,

00:06:07.120 isn't it?

00:06:08.240 Yeah, and the reality is the justices appointed by Obama or Clinton have been markedly consistent

00:06:15.500 on being pretty liberal and ignoring the Constitution, which is a judicial philosophy that I've never been

00:06:21.660 able to stomach, because it means we don't really have a Constitution. We have what's called a living and

00:06:25.700 breathing document. It means whatever they say it means today, which is nothing to confine the

00:06:30.140 government from doing whatever they want. On the other hand, it seems like, you know, many of the

00:06:34.460 justices that we've appointed, particularly this Bush judge, don't necessarily stick with those

00:06:42.280 constitutional philosophies that have kept this country free.

00:06:46.100 Well, Justice Roberts, siding with the liberal justices in this, he was once considered a

00:06:53.220 constitutionalist and an originalist, going with the text of the Constitution. I can't remember the last time

00:07:03.480 he did so. Can you?

00:07:05.540 No, the bigger opinions have now been swayed. He's been swayed more with the liberals, whether it's Obamacare.

00:07:11.760 I know that he sided with Justice Kennedy when they wrote, this was a long time ago, when they wrote the

00:07:16.080 USV Arizona case that basically took away any power of the states to protect themselves from

00:07:22.500 illegal immigration when the federal government was basically cooperating with cartels. So it has

00:07:28.180 been extremely disappointing. It felt like when he was first appointed, he was more like what we

00:07:34.500 expected. And over time, you know, maybe he's showing who he really is, or maybe his positions have

00:07:41.460 changed. You know, living in D.C. has an impact on people. And who knows what it is? I don't know

00:07:46.460 that we'll ever know until somebody writes a book about it that really knows.

00:07:50.780 And this decision, do you believe if, as the Chief Justice says, it is not final? That begins to look

00:07:58.860 like a stratagem on his part, a rationalization, if you will, for some flexibility, to use the Obama

00:08:06.940 word. You read on what that means and what we should attach to a statement that it's not a final

00:08:14.900 decision. Well, I think it's a draft. And I think, you know, those guys negotiate back and forth on

00:08:20.060 drafts and who's going to position on what side of a draft. And if you put this in, I'll move over

00:08:25.540 here. I mean, those negotiations were probably still ongoing. What happened was this is such an

00:08:30.540 important decision to the liberal left that they decided we can't take any chances. We're going to

00:08:36.120 break the protocol, the rules, and we're going to put this out there hoping that by putting the

00:08:41.260 pressure on, somebody will feel the pressure, apparently not Roberts, but maybe one of the

00:08:47.700 other five, to do a switch. And, you know, there have been rumors that that has happened in the past,

00:08:53.640 like with Obamacare. Everybody thought Roberts was going to rule with the conservatives, and he

00:08:57.940 went the other way. So who knows? I don't know that we'll know right away. I think we may know,

00:09:03.400 you know, after the fact, what actually happened. Now, this decision wasn't expected until next

00:09:09.540 month. Do you think that is still the same? I would assume it is the same schedule?

00:09:15.220 Yeah, I mean, typically, the Supreme Court, you know, at the end of their terms starts issuing

00:09:19.320 their opinions in June. And the ones that are most controversial tend to be issued later in June. So

00:09:25.280 I would have expected this in the very last week of June. You know, you never know the Supreme Court

00:09:31.020 can do what they want. And when they put those out, but that's what I would have expected,

00:09:34.080 just as a matter of sort of tradition. And as we look at the political impact of this,

00:09:42.620 what do you, is there an impact? First of all, let's start with the great state of Texas.

00:09:46.860 Is there a palpable political impact in your state in, as we look out to the midterm elections,

00:09:55.620 where the Democrats are being devastated? I mean, let's be very candid about this.

00:09:59.940 We have never seen poll numbers like this in my career for the opposite party. This defies anything

00:10:08.760 even in 2010, as I recall it. Your thoughts?

00:10:14.160 Oh, you know, there's no doubt that that's right. I don't think the Democrats can turn this around

00:10:18.800 at this point. The damage has been so traumatic from Afghanistan and the pictures of it looking like 1.00

00:10:25.220 Vietnam and the travesty of that, the border problem that only gets worse every day because

00:10:30.220 the Biden administration continues to empower the cartels, to what's going on with the economy and

00:10:35.000 this runaway inflation that we haven't seen in 40 years since Jimmy Carter was in office.

00:10:40.220 Obviously, his presidency was viewed as a failure. And this president is actually making Jimmy Carter

00:10:47.000 look like a fairly decent president. And that's where the Democrats are right now.

00:10:51.500 It's hard to come back from that. Hard to come back from it. And I was talking with John McLaughlin,

00:10:56.560 the GOP strategist and one of the country's very best pollsters, talking about the way this issue of

00:11:05.200 abortion cuts right now in a divided America. And I was actually surprised. It's actually 50-50.

00:11:12.500 There are no undecideds. It's 50-50. Pro-life, pro-choice. And that tells you that this is just

00:11:24.260 going to, I think, probably have people on either side just dig in more, don't you?

00:11:31.300 Yeah, although I do think it's appropriate for, and I've always thought this, that individual states,

00:11:36.880 that the Supreme Court, one of the arguments we made in the amicus brief with the other 23 states,

00:11:41.400 we made the argument, look, the Supreme Court has been doing this in 1972. They took over

00:11:46.400 the regulation of abortion. And they've done a really poor job of it. We say it in the brief.

00:11:51.300 You've done a really poor job. It changes based on what justices are in there. There's no certainty

00:11:55.320 that the states let the states go back and make the decisions, whether it's Massachusetts or Texas.

00:12:00.560 They can make their own decision. They'll make different decisions. And this has been a country of

00:12:05.340 experimentation by states. And people can then vote with their feet. And we're already seeing that,

00:12:10.640 obviously, in Florida and Texas and Tennessee and other Republican states are having a massive

00:12:15.560 increase of people because people are, they want freedom and they want opportunity, economic

00:12:19.160 opportunity. And they're coming to Republican states that offer that. And so I say, let the states decide

00:12:25.480 if Massachusetts makes a different decision than Texas. I'm okay with that. I know that the other

00:12:31.100 side is not okay with that. They don't want people having choice, although they say they do.

00:12:35.240 They want to dictate to us through nine members of the Supreme Court what the law should be.

00:12:39.900 That's not how the Constitution works. That's not how our system of government should work. 0.75

00:12:44.460 The Marxist left, the Democrat Party, is now the party of authoritarianism. There is no question 0.78

00:12:52.660 about it. That impulse runs throughout this administration. And it's throughout the party itself.

00:12:59.180 I want to also turn to one other point, if I may, Mr. Attorney General. And that is what you also

00:13:06.320 included in your brief was the role of science here. And science is working against the so-called

00:13:13.740 pro-choice side of this argument, because now we know that life can be sustained from a very,

00:13:21.720 very early stage. And I happen personally to believe that life begins at conception.

00:13:27.020 But for those who believe otherwise, the science is saying that we can see what's happening. We know

00:13:35.560 what's happening because of the advanced technology and medical devices that are available to us now.

00:13:44.500 Your thoughts?

00:13:45.600 Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. And there's no doubt. I agree with you. Life does begin at conception.

00:13:49.420 I think that's a fact. But viability is working in our favor. As science and progressions in health

00:13:58.320 care for these unborn babies gets better, the timeline for when they should be able to get

00:14:06.020 away with killing a baby is clearly moving backwards. And when these babies become viable,

00:14:11.460 which is, as you said, sooner and sooner, our argument, based on science, is becoming stronger

00:14:17.220 and stronger. And I think that's a good sign for people who believe in the pro-life movement.

00:14:22.840 And my first reaction was when I heard what appeared to be the news that the Supreme Court

00:14:29.140 had struck down Roe v. Wade. I thought this is a real opportunity for the nation to reflect on what has

00:14:37.380 been 50 years of, in my opinion, immorality and evil, evil political and legal standards that have

00:14:53.460 just created so much more pain than it ever was supposed to salve. It certainly didn't approach

00:15:00.500 those levels. I just think it is a time for us irrespective to think about this reflect prayer

00:15:07.160 carefully on what this nation should be, who we should be as Americans. And I think we can be

00:15:13.520 much better than we've been. Your thoughts as we conclude here.

00:15:17.920 Yeah, and I can agree with you more. It's been a travesty that if you don't protect, you know,

00:15:24.020 the people who can't protect themselves, the unborn, then you're no longer a good country. And I think 1.00

00:15:30.900 the fact that we're moving back in a direction where we have the opportunity to protect the unborn 0.91

00:15:35.740 is a good sign for America. It's a good sign for the system that we have been struggling in over

00:15:42.700 the last 50 years to turn it back to protecting life. And so just the fact that this decision is

00:15:49.000 finally being rectified and given back to the state and giving us the opportunity in every state to go

00:15:54.540 make the argument to protect life, even in states that tend to be more liberal, we've seen where

00:15:59.600 persistence and caring about what's right and wrong really do matter. It happened in this country with

00:16:04.820 slavery. And it's not like we've ever gotten it perfect since then, but we have at least moved

00:16:09.300 in the right direction. And that's what I'm hoping for the pro-life movement, that we'll start moving

00:16:13.100 in the right direction. And each year, we'll make progress towards saving lives.

00:16:18.760 Amen. I couldn't agree with you more. And I want to just compliment you and thank you for all that you

00:16:24.160 are doing for this country and for your great state of Texas. Attorney General Ken Paxton, thanks so much.

00:16:31.240 Thank you, Lou. Have a great day.

00:16:34.300 Thanks, Ken Paxton. And now with us is the former Attorney General, Matt Whitaker, Attorney General

00:16:40.160 under President Trump. And Matt is now co-chair of the Center for Law and Justice at the America

00:16:45.840 First Policy Institute and board member of the America First Institute itself and author of the book

00:16:53.060 Above the Law and a Great American. Matt Whitaker, it is great to have you with us on the

00:16:58.640 Great America Show. Thanks for being here. Lou, I'm so proud to be with you and I look forward to our

00:17:03.920 discussion. Well, we've got, as you know, a lot to take up. This is an extraordinary moment in American

00:17:10.420 history. Let's start with the disinformation board that President Biden wishes to create. A disinformation

00:17:19.560 board, which I love the line that they used in the release from the White House, a disinformation

00:17:27.140 board to manage misinformation. I don't think they have a very good sense of their own absurdity. Do

00:17:34.020 you? I don't think they understand the joke that this is on them because they take this,

00:17:41.420 unfortunately, way too seriously and don't realize and step right on it, quite frankly, Lou,

00:17:48.480 the First Amendment. And so they have, if you saw on the Sunday shows, they walked this back so

00:17:56.320 quickly. You know, clearly this was going to be big government deciding what the truth was. And I was

00:18:03.880 referring to it as a ministry of truth because that's exactly how they had set it up. And obviously,

00:18:10.700 you know, now they are limiting it to foreign actors and disinformation coming from Russia and

00:18:17.680 China and all these other places that are, you know, are threats to the United States and our 1.00

00:18:22.980 sovereignty. But at the same time, this level of walk back I have not seen in Washington, D.C. in a

00:18:29.220 long time. Yeah, I think that the reaction from even some members of the Democratic Party were

00:18:37.680 outraged at this madness. And what authority does President Biden have to create such an agency?

00:18:45.720 Well, I can't find it anywhere in DHS's, you know, powers or in their authorization

00:18:51.340 to do something like this. You know, I guess if I was being generous, which I typically am not to

00:18:58.560 this administration, I would guess that it's in their intelligence part, you know, in their

00:19:05.920 intelligence gathering and they're part of being part of the intelligence community,

00:19:09.300 that they could, you know, have some functionality that looks at other countries, you know, trying

00:19:16.260 to, you know, sow discord within the United States. But, you know, the level with which

00:19:22.340 that they had planned to, I think before this all blew up in their face, but the level which

00:19:27.920 they had planned to sit on top of social media and, you know, Americans' free speech was

00:19:35.600 breathtaking. And I think it caused a lot of concern amongst a lot of people on both sides

00:19:41.060 of the aisle that the DHS, you know, could ever have that kind of power. Certainly, it had never

00:19:47.100 been authorized.

00:19:47.720 And, you know, I suspected that, and I'm glad to hear you with your knowledge and your acumen

00:19:56.340 discussing, because I really, I'm just stunned that a president of the United States, now this

00:20:01.660 president is taking some considerable liberties with the term head of state, in my opinion,

00:20:08.080 but to go so far as to be creating agencies with the stroke of a pen, or perhaps not even

00:20:13.000 the stroke of a pen, just ordering it, and moving on Title 42, eliminating that, having

00:20:21.200 a distribution system that he put together an entire network to move illegal immigrants 1.00

00:20:26.780 in the dead of night into various cities and towns across the country and states, and not

00:20:32.020 inform governors or mayors or county supervisors for crying out loud about what he's doing, let

00:20:38.360 alone the congressional delegations.

00:20:41.960 No, and this is the thing that I keep looking at as it relates to Title 42, is, you know,

00:20:48.520 everyone agrees the system's broken. Everyone agrees that the level with which illegals are 1.00

00:20:53.740 coming in is unsustainable. You know, Jay Johnson, during the Trump administration, said that a

00:20:59.120 thousand illegals per day was a crisis. You know, we are now at seven or eight thousand, and if

00:21:05.640 Title 42 is removed, we'll be at 18 to 20 thousand, it's staggering. And the system, you know, having

00:21:13.400 run the immigration courts at the Department of Justice, which they're part of, I saw firsthand how

00:21:19.140 these bogus claims for asylum really are troubling. You know, so few people show up for their hearing in the

00:21:28.140 first place, so few are granted asylum under our laws, because as you can imagine, our laws are actually

00:21:33.640 fairly stringent as to who gets in under a claim of asylum. And certainly these people that are suffering from

00:21:39.880 economic problems in Guatemala or elsewhere in the country do not qualify under U.S. law for asylum.

00:21:48.160 And so, you know, and then, and you know this issue as well as I, if not better, Lou, you know that once

00:21:54.940 somebody files for asylum, within six months they're entitled to a green card. And they can work for, you know,

00:22:01.040 really until their case is adjudicated, which is often years or, you know, now it's going to be

00:22:05.700 decades with this amount in the system. Yeah, it's, you know, as I look at this, what's going on, I see a

00:22:13.780 level of coordination. I think that I just, I am just blown away that the national corporatist media,

00:22:23.580 as biased as they are and as complicit as they are with the left in this country on the issue of

00:22:29.800 illegal immigration and border security, that they don't even report on that correlation

00:22:34.720 between immigration, border security, sex trafficking, human smuggling, deadly drugs pouring

00:22:44.080 across the border. And then to be tied in to corporate America for cheap labor, as well as the 0.84

00:22:52.680 democratic party, the Marxist left in this country for voters. And it is all, all a web of deceit 0.81

00:23:03.020 pointed at one purpose. And that is to provide cheap labor, democratic votes, and to make certain

00:23:12.400 that the cartels keep operating with high margins of profitability. Would you disagree?

00:23:17.960 I don't know. There's, it was all factual. I think what's, what's most frustrating on top of

00:23:24.360 everything you just pointed out was that then you have Secretary Mayorkas go on national TV on Sunday

00:23:30.500 and suggest that he had operational control of the border. You know, look at the amount of effort

00:23:37.140 and time and money being spent just by the state of Texas to try to do all they can to prevent people

00:23:43.560 from illegally crossing the border. And you know that they are not serious people when it comes to

00:23:50.520 stemming the flow of, of not only to your point, not only illegal aliens, but deadly fentanyl,

00:23:57.920 you know, run of the mill cocaine and other, you know, illicit drugs. And the, you know,

00:24:05.520 and the human trafficking toll is, is really, I think the hardest thing because, you know,

00:24:09.900 you have children and women that are, you know, tell stories of being raped and taken advantage of

00:24:16.160 on this very perilous journey, you know, to try to get to the United States. And if we could just

00:24:22.400 have the political will, and we did in the Trump administration, we, a lot of this had been solved.

00:24:27.820 A lot of our policies, whether it was remain in Mexico, whether it was changing some of these

00:24:31.860 asylum adjudication claims, you know, taking care of them at the first chance when, when they meet

00:24:39.880 with an officer to file their original claim, you know, all these things were resolved and taken

00:24:44.620 care of. And we had smart, well thought of policies in place, and they just ripped it out by the roots.

00:24:51.340 And now you have complete chaos on our Southern border.

00:24:55.160 And, and we had the support of the Mexican government. People don't, I don't think typically

00:25:02.680 realize what president Trump accomplished with Manuel Lopez Obrador, the president of Mexico

00:25:08.740 in getting 26,000 troops up to the Northern provinces to secure that border from their side.

00:25:17.060 That's the first time that's ever happened. And now of course, those troops were pulled and we are

00:25:22.920 at the mercy of, uh, really the, the, the, the iron triangle, uh, all of the central America.

00:25:30.300 And of course, through Mexico, it's just simply a, uh, easy pass, uh, and, uh, thoroughfare to the

00:25:37.940 Northern border. It's just terrible. What, uh, what has happened under this administration.

00:25:43.660 Couldn't agree more with you, Lou.

00:25:45.400 I want to, I want to turn to back to this, uh, ministry of truth, because I kept thinking

00:25:51.120 as you watch Mayorkas responding, you know, full control of the border, all of that nonsense,

00:25:56.680 there would have been a great moment for Nina Jankiewicz, the, the prospective head of that

00:26:03.600 agency to have said, you know, this is misinformation. This is disinformation. This is a disinformation

00:26:09.940 campaign coming from my boss at the department of Homeland security, because that's exactly what

00:26:15.460 it was. It was, uh, we're being subjected. I truly believe that to more disinformation from our own

00:26:22.940 government than we are from foreign governments, including Russia and China. Your thoughts.

00:26:28.460 I completely agree. I mean, if you look at his testimony last week, um, in front of the, uh, I think

00:26:35.260 it was the house judiciary committee, you see, um, how he is either unwilling, unable, uh, to answer the

00:26:42.720 questions or is completely false in his answers, uh, and, and omits key, uh, pieces of what he should

00:26:51.140 be talking about. You know, you think about the 42 terrorists, uh, people on the terrorist watch list

00:26:56.620 that were encountered at our Southern border. Um, you know, he really still hasn't explained it

00:27:01.100 other than he knows where all 42 are. Uh, it is believed that all 42 are by the way, in the United

00:27:06.860 States of America, Lou, and that should concern every American because I think this unsecure Southern

00:27:12.220 border is a real security threat. Uh, not only what's happening and the destabilization of all

00:27:18.080 those people coming into our country and coming into our major cities, but the fact of who is getting

00:27:23.900 through, uh, this porous border, uh, should be a concern to all Americans. And, you know, I, I just, I, I

00:27:29.620 really, I have a sense of foreboding as it relates to what's going to be the consequences of letting, uh,

00:27:37.080 this many people into our country, even, you know, even if we're watching all 42 of them,

00:27:40.780 I know the time, effort, and expense with which that takes to follow, uh, and make sure you have

00:27:48.060 your, you know, a sense of what these potential terrorists are doing. And that's, you know,

00:27:52.560 that's a disaster in the making. Yeah. I'm afraid you're right. Uh, it is, uh, it's, it's a terrible,

00:27:59.540 terrible thing that we have done to immigration, customs, enforcement, homeland, uh, security,

00:28:04.320 uh, and border patrol customs, uh, they've just been moved to the side. Uh, a number of people

00:28:10.340 talking about, there are nothing more than a welcome wagon right now for all of the illegal 1.00

00:28:14.840 immigration, by the way, that number that I, that I've heard, and I want to see what you think of

00:28:19.800 this. They're talking about somewhere between seven and 8 million illegal immigrants in the country,

00:28:25.220 uh, with the, with the demise of title 42, uh, in the, in the next year, that's after 2 million.

00:28:32.660 And of those, uh, over the first year of the Biden administration, 1.6 million have been relocated

00:28:39.260 in the United States. No questions asked. Yeah. Those numbers are accurate and it's only getting

00:28:44.720 worse, uh, with, with really no plan, uh, to do anything about it, uh, other than talk and, uh,

00:28:51.640 provide, you know, nonsense, uh, which is what, you know, you've seen over the last week from the

00:28:56.760 Department of Homeland Security's leadership, you know, and that's the sad thing is the, you know,

00:29:00.620 the women, women of the border patrol and ICE, they want to do their jobs. They don't want to be, 0.98

00:29:06.600 uh, uh, prevented from enforcing the border laws and the immigration laws, but, you know,

00:29:12.080 their bosses in Washington, DC, especially, uh, Secretary Mayorkas, uh, have been unwilling to

00:29:18.400 give them the go ahead to do their job. And it's just, it's a shame. And it's, you know, one of the

00:29:24.360 many things we did right in the Trump administration. And one of the key pieces that the Biden

00:29:28.600 administration is getting completely wrong. The other big story, uh, right now, again,

00:29:35.120 not given, I think, sufficient attention by the national media, the FBI conducting potentially

00:29:41.960 millions of searches, 3.6 million searches of Americans data last year. Now that's the FBI at

00:29:52.940 work. Once again, Matt, what is going on here? Uh, and what is your analysis of just how serious

00:30:01.540 this, this is? It's, it's serious, but it's not as serious as maybe it sounds on the headline and

00:30:09.020 I'll explain to you what I know. And, you know, this is obviously dated. I left the administration,

00:30:13.960 uh, of president Trump in 2019. And so I can only tell you what I know, but, you know,

00:30:18.880 fundamentally, um, information is collected by the NSA and every, you know, if you want to learn more

00:30:24.680 about that, there's even plenty, uh, published on that subject, but long story short is they are

00:30:29.680 collecting information. That information is supposed to be limited to foreign, foreign nationals, but

00:30:35.740 obviously, uh, foreign nationals communicate with other foreign nationals, but they also communicate

00:30:40.240 with Americans. And so you end up with this haystack, uh, with which you're trying to find a needle in. 0.80

00:30:46.760 And, uh, one of the ways you find a needle is to run a query, um, uh, and do, do a search for

00:30:53.800 certain terms or certain people or, or, or, or the like. And, um, so you end up just because your,

00:31:00.860 your, your haystack has Americans in it, you end up collect, you know, kind of doing a search that

00:31:05.960 includes, it returns Americans information. Um, at every step that is to be minimized, that is to be,

00:31:13.740 uh, not used. And, and they're, they're very serious consequences and very serious laws.

00:31:18.780 Uh, the, the problem, uh, that I see is just the sheer quantity when you're in the 3 million,

00:31:24.620 uh, you know, returns from that database that to me says, you're, you know, you're searching for the

00:31:30.060 wrong thing and you're picking, you know, you're getting too many Americans, um, in your, in your data

00:31:35.700 scrubs. And so I am, um, you know, I've had this explained to me, uh, many times and, uh, it's still,

00:31:43.860 I think there is, there are, there are, there's more discipline that needs to come to that process,

00:31:49.060 uh, that I just, unfortunately I don't see right now the FBI doing. I hope that, that they figure it

00:31:55.940 out. Uh, I think that these tools, uh, are necessary and appropriate when used correctly,

00:32:02.160 but with that amount of return of U S people's information being included in these searches,

00:32:06.960 I think it's very concerning. And, uh, and, you know, obviously they haven't got it right yet.

00:32:10.960 Yeah. They haven't got it right yet. They didn't have it right when they renewed the, uh,

00:32:16.160 the, the 702s. Uh, I, I really was begging, uh, Congress not, not to reauthorize that until they had 0.55

00:32:26.400 some guidelines that made sense. And until the Congress has actual oversight over our national

00:32:32.700 security agencies, including the FBI's national security division, uh, as well as, uh, the 17 other

00:32:40.080 agencies that we have carrying out intelligence operations. What do you think of that? I just don't

00:32:45.740 understand why we, why the Congress, the United States does not, and I mean, Congress and the Senate

00:32:51.700 government does not insist on its, its oversight responsibilities, having teeth. Uh, they were

00:32:59.080 basically bystanders now. Yeah, they are. And, and unfortunately, if you know, having, you know,

00:33:07.980 knowing members of Congress and interacted with them, you know, especially in my house judiciary

00:33:13.120 testimony a couple of years ago, um, you know, I'm not sure a lot of them understand how these

00:33:19.140 technologies work. I don't think they have the current curiosity to understand how these

00:33:23.760 technologies work. And so they're not very good at their oversight role. I wish, you know, that

00:33:29.460 people like John Ratcliffe were still in the Congress that understood how this works, why they're

00:33:36.540 necessary and, um, and appropriate. But, you know, I, I agree with you. I think when they reauthorized

00:33:42.240 702, I was at the department of justice at the time. I remember the push that we were making and the

00:33:47.600 arguments we were making, I'm not sure based on this data, you know, that would, that just came

00:33:51.880 out of the over 3 million Americans data being included in these, uh, searches. I just am not

00:33:57.960 sure that they lived up to the promises that, that we made, uh, under this reauthorization. So I hear

00:34:03.440 what you're saying. And I, it's a, it's a very valid criticism. And, uh, and one wonders what it's

00:34:10.060 going to take for us to reach that point where Congress can reassert itself. And I will, I will

00:34:15.440 acknowledge that there are a number of people in intelligence committees in both the Senate

00:34:20.020 and the house, uh, that I, if I were in running intelligence or a part of the leadership, I would

00:34:26.420 be very uncomfortable sharing that information with those people. I'm not suggesting that there

00:34:30.980 aren't a few, uh, a few arguments on the other side of that, uh, that, uh, well, I'm going to name

00:34:37.820 one. I don't think Adam Schiff should be allowed anywhere near, uh, intelligence. Uh, quite frankly,

00:34:42.780 he has proved that he's not trustworthy and will use it for political gain whenever he

00:34:46.760 can. Right. All right. And, uh, and I would second your motion. It's just, he is something

00:34:53.600 else. And then to see him show up in the, in, uh, in Ukraine, uh, it's just disgusting. 0.96

00:34:59.920 But, uh, what they do, the left does to support their ragged, a bunch of, uh, Marxist activists.

00:35:07.960 And he is certainly amongst the foremost. Let me, let me turn here to, if I may, the, the issue of

00:35:16.260 Eric Garland, and I'm getting close to, to, to your old job as the attorney general,

00:35:21.660 what possibility is there that we're ever going to get a, get justice for Donald Trump?

00:35:31.580 President Trump has now as a candidate, as a president, uh, as a former president and private

00:35:39.080 citizen has now is entered. He's now entered the seventh year of what is nothing more than a

00:35:45.520 partisan persecution of both a candidate and a president. And it's just disgusting to me that

00:35:53.480 no one has stood up, not in the Republican party, not a single attorney general has said,

00:35:58.460 ladies and gentlemen, this is madness and it has to stop now. What, what are we waiting for, 1.00

00:36:05.680 for, for reason to prevail decency to prevail here, Matt?

00:36:10.180 Well, issue number one is, you know, thank God that Donald Trump's a fighter, uh, because,

00:36:16.360 you know, a lesser man, uh, someone without his resources would have obviously been buried

00:36:22.640 by this level of harassment, uh, by not only the federal government, but the state, you know,

00:36:28.140 the state of New York has been, uh, almost, uh, as bad in their constant, you know, looking for

00:36:34.340 anything, uh, that they could possibly accuse him of, um, you know, having sat in that seat,

00:36:40.160 Lou, and, and, you know, you and I have talked about this before, um, you know, I, I, obviously I

00:36:45.740 was led to believe and, and had reason to believe that the best thing for our country

00:36:50.880 was to get the Mueller report completed. Um, what I was not told is that they were planning on it to

00:36:56.980 be 450 pages long and, and, and include, uh, completely bogus, uh, uh, obstruction of justice

00:37:05.520 accusations, uh, without the evidence to back it up. So, um, you know, that is obviously, uh, I've been

00:37:12.980 very outspoken. I wrote a whole book on this topic and, you know, kind of my conscience is clean in my

00:37:18.300 role sitting in that chair. Uh, a lot of mistakes were made, uh, by the president and his administration

00:37:25.060 before I got there, including the appointment of special counsel and Robert Mueller by the deputy

00:37:30.420 attorney general, who was the acting attorney general for purposes of the Russia investigation.

00:37:34.080 But, you know, that die was cast by Jim Comey. Uh, let's be honest. It was, it's this, you know,

00:37:38.960 exactly what you're seeing playing out right now with this conspiracy between Clapper, Comey,

00:37:43.880 and others in the intelligence community to take what everyone knew was political disinformation.

00:37:51.180 It was a DNC hit job and turn it into and create a criminal investigation. And, you know, the fact

00:38:00.960 that the, you know, I inherited it after the, you know, we were at 30,000 feet trying to get this

00:38:06.000 plane on the ground. Um, you know, and it's just, it was, it just points to how dishonest everyone

00:38:11.560 involved in that Mueller investigation was and how they would say anything in hopes of trying to

00:38:16.920 take down the president and create a roadmap for impeachment. I mean, they impeached the guy twice.

00:38:21.860 Uh, they continue to harass him, uh, with criminal investigations. It's, it's, it's outrageous.

00:38:27.140 It's disgusting. It's every word you can possibly put on it. But at the same time, um, you know, 0.77

00:38:32.200 this guy's a fighter and I don't see him doing anything other than being victorious at the end of

00:38:36.540 the day. And history is already on his side, uh, with the revelations, uh, by the New York times

00:38:44.680 and the Washington post. Yes, indeed. The, the Hunter Biden laptop is real. Its contents are real

00:38:50.840 and they implicate the president of the United States and his entire family, uh, as a criminal

00:38:55.760 enterprise. Right. And how many times did president Bush get hoodwinked by these types of games?

00:39:00.980 Right. Uh, we, we, we can't even count because, you know, this is the thing, Donald Trump fought

00:39:04.720 back. He knew the truth and he, he tirelessly fought until the truth got out. And, you know,

00:39:11.580 and this is the, this is just the indomitable spirit that I know out of him. And, and I respect just,

00:39:16.760 you know, the hell out of, well, you and me and millions of Americans, uh, do and want justice for

00:39:23.980 him. And, uh, and some, some accounting from the democratic party, which bears great responsibility

00:39:32.040 in all of this is does the Clinton campaign, uh, and the entire apparatus that's built up around them

00:39:38.620 in Washington, DC. I, I, I want to also ask you where is John Durham, as you and I've discussed

00:39:47.620 previously has done a marvelous job of his invest with his investigation. Uh, will we see something

00:39:56.920 from him before this election? I don't know. You know, his whole charge was to, um, investigate

00:40:04.260 and get to the bottom of the origins of the Russian collusion hoax. And I think he's done an exceptional

00:40:10.680 job of not only explaining what happened, but succinctly explaining what happened so that everyone

00:40:17.200 can see, uh, how the dirty trick played by, uh, Michael Sussman and DNC and Fusion GPS and Hillary

00:40:25.640 Clinton, uh, how that kind of ran its course, uh, through, you know, through America and, and how

00:40:31.000 really, this is one of the most frustrating things for me, Lou. And, um, you know, they're, they're the

00:40:36.760 conflation between every four years, Russia tries to, you know, interfere with our election. Uh, you know,

00:40:43.680 that happened in 2020, it happened 2016, it happened in 2012 and, and 2008 and 2004. And I can go back

00:40:51.680 probably to the seventies and demonstrate how they've, how they tried to interfere with our

00:40:56.440 election. But then to, to take this narrative, uh, that this DNC collect, uh, you know, created with

00:41:04.380 Hillary Clinton and others, uh, to marry that to this interference and to make it sound, um, you know,

00:41:12.140 more, uh, certainly more nefarious and even criminal, uh, as it relates to Donald Trump and his campaign

00:41:17.700 is, is really, I think, um, you know, the, one of the most outrageous, uh, moments in American history.

00:41:23.820 And, you know, if we had a fair media, uh, which we don't, and, you know, I know, you know that, um,

00:41:30.020 but if we had a fair media, this would be, uh, dominating, uh, the news, uh, every day, all day

00:41:36.540 because, but, you know, the New York times, Washington post, CNN, MSNBC, you know, all of the,

00:41:42.300 the original, you know, mega media companies, um, you know, we're all complicit in trying to sell

00:41:48.020 this and now it's blown up in their face and they're just telling us to move along. And I think

00:41:51.760 that's, that's a shame because we haven't even heard yet exact everything that Durham has to say.

00:41:57.900 And, and we don't really even know we had William Bard out pushing his book and talking and

00:42:06.100 saying, uh, point blank. He knew that Joe Biden was lying. I knew it at the time in the midst of

00:42:12.120 that debate, he was lying about the laptop, his son, his businesses, the, the level of the investigation,

00:42:18.240 uh, uh, against, uh, Hunter Biden. And he decided not to intervene because of the election and which

00:42:28.280 was a, you know, for a smart man, that was a peculiar, a peculiar lapse of judgment and logic

00:42:34.360 because when he refused to intervene, he intervened. But in behalf of Joe Biden, your thoughts, you,

00:42:41.820 you sat in that same seat that he, he did your thoughts about what this man, and I know you

00:42:49.400 have high regard for him, what could possibly have seized him? Uh, because I have to ask,

00:42:57.060 you know, I feel like he's compromised in some way. I don't know what happened in that moment,

00:43:02.300 but it's, it's, it feels awfully ugly to me. Yeah, it does. And, uh, you know, I really think,

00:43:09.480 uh, that the, the, the jury's going to be out, um, until we, you know, get all the facts. We're close,

00:43:15.000 uh, getting closer, but I just don't think we have, we have that figured out yet.

00:43:19.820 I want to turn to Americans think whether it's the FBI, which looks absolutely rancid here,

00:43:26.840 uh, without, uh, it looks like corruption permeates the place, uh, not just the leadership,

00:43:34.360 but Americans believe that the intelligence community itself, uh, is in league with the,

00:43:40.920 the radical Marxist Dems that, uh, the left-wing corporate media, the justice department. It,

00:43:48.760 it seems unending the political corruption in the agencies that we're most dependent upon for the

00:43:55.740 security of the nation and for the enforcement of our laws and, and, uh, just plain beacons of decency

00:44:04.560 and law and order. Yeah. You know, I have such respect Lou, as you know, for the men and women

00:44:11.060 of law enforcement, and I've always blamed the highest level leaders at the FBI, especially for,

00:44:17.420 uh, many of these challenges that we faced, uh, the Trump administration and continue to face.

00:44:22.200 Um, I, I wish, uh, that they could see what they look like to the American people.

00:44:28.820 Yeah. It's, it's, do you think it'll change? Because I can't see how it changes.

00:44:34.020 I do. I do. I think it's going to, it changes with new leadership. Uh, but yeah, I think it

00:44:38.560 changes. It has to change. Can we do it without, uh, giving Congress greater, greater oversight?

00:44:46.100 No, uh, you know, if Congress would do the, the right and proper oversight, maybe Lou, but I just

00:44:52.700 don't, I don't know. I think that whole oversight system is fairly broken right now. And the, uh,

00:44:59.180 you know, without some real teeth, uh, by Congress and using all their powers, I, you know, it's going

00:45:03.760 to be tough, but, you know, I think new leadership, um, at the highest levels of some of the law

00:45:08.040 enforcement agencies and intel community, I think could make a huge difference.

00:45:11.240 Perhaps there's one footnote to all of this and we'll put it in perspective, how difficult

00:45:15.740 oversight is a member of the oversight committee. Uh, one of them was a guy by the name of Adam

00:45:22.420 Schiff. Uh, and that presents lots of problems and it's a, if you will, an avatar for the problems

00:45:29.800 that, uh, complicate oversight, uh, of these agencies by the U S Congress, Matt, we appreciate

00:45:37.460 it so much. Thanks so much. You're a great American.

00:45:40.020 And we're delighted to have you back with us on the great America show.

00:45:43.440 Thank you so much. They appreciate it, Lou, Matt Whitaker. And joining us here tomorrow,

00:45:49.000 we'll be talking with Dr. Robert Malone, who's been researching the role of Davos man in American

00:45:55.340 politics. Those who are trying to influence the one world order that the globalist elites are

00:46:02.160 working so hard to create. Please be with us for that. Thanks for joining us today. See you

00:46:08.120 tomorrow. Till then, God bless you and God bless America.

The Great America Show - May 04, 2022

SUPREME LEAK - INTIMIDATION OF JUSTICES？ IT’S HAPPENED BEFORE!

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