The Great America Show - SUSSMANN TRIAL IS A WINDOW INTO OBAMA & CLINTON CORRUPTION

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and you're listening to The Great America Show, and here

00:00:05.620 we're all about truth, justice, and the American way, every day. Welcome to the show, and it's

00:00:12.040 great to have you with us as we take on the dark forces at work in our country and our enemies in

00:00:17.860 foreign lands, mainly China, Russia, and Iran. We like to name names here, but there are others,

00:00:25.120 and named or not, we will take them up in due course. Sometimes it takes more time than any of

00:00:32.100 us would like or have to bear. The John Durham special counsel investigation is just such an

00:00:37.500 instance. A.G. William Barr chose to appoint Durham special counsel to investigate the origins of the

00:00:44.660 FBI investigation of Russian collusion and Russian interference in the 2016 election. Barr chose to

00:00:52.060 appoint Durham in absolute secrecy on the 19th of October. That would be just five days after the

00:00:59.780 country had watched as social media, big tech, and corporate news outlets had brought down a wall of

00:01:05.960 disinformation and silence around the Hunter Biden laptop from hell, and three days before the final

00:01:12.900 presidential debate that year. The election was still two weeks away, but one new development,

00:01:19.920 unsuspected by the American people, was already at work. A letter signed by 51 intel veterans,

00:01:27.980 including five former CIA chiefs, was released to the media and to others, declaring their best

00:01:34.860 judgment was that Hunter's laptop and its contents were Russian disinformation. They might as well have

00:01:42.160 sworn on a stack of Bibles. That intel letter effectively killed the authentic evidence that the laptop was

00:01:49.780 Hunter's and its disgusting contents proved Biden family corruption. All true, as we now know.

00:01:57.800 Attorney General Barr says he didn't want to intervene in the election, which is why he made his

00:02:02.900 appointment of John Durham to lead the special counsel investigation an absolute secret. But then,

00:02:09.720 three days later, Joe Biden lied to the American people during the second and final presidential

00:02:15.640 debate. And Attorney General Barr, again, chose not to tell America that the intel letter and the chiefs

00:02:22.980 who had produced it were the real authors of election disinformation, nor tell them that former Vice

00:02:29.560 President Joe Biden was lying through his teeth to the American people in that final debate.

00:02:35.840 Barr's choices and decisions changed American history, and Joe Biden was elected president on November 3rd.

00:02:43.640 Now, a year and a half later, John Durham's investigation is unfolding in federal court in Washington, D.C.

00:02:52.140 Durham is prosecuting Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign attorney, Michael Sussman. He's facing one

00:02:59.780 charge, lying to the FBI. And the evidence is compelling. But of course, there's more evidence to come.

00:03:07.700 We hope much more. Our guest today is covering this massive and long-awaited case. Our guest is Joel Pollack,

00:03:16.300 Breitbart News senior editor-at-large. Joel is among the very best of American journalism. And Joel, it's great to

00:03:23.620 have you back with us here on The Great America Show. This is obviously a hugely important case,

00:03:30.440 representing really the inception of Russiagate, the Russia hoax, as President Trump appropriately and correctly

00:03:36.600 called it. Please give us your view, Joel.

00:03:40.000 Well, this was the Russia collusion hoax that the Hillary Clinton campaign was working on over the course of the

00:03:50.320 2016 presidential election. And there was a particular offshoot of this hoax called the Alpha Bank hoax, where they

00:03:58.340 tried to connect Trump to Russia via Alpha Bank. Now, there are a number of interesting things that have emerged from the

00:04:04.640 trial of Michael Sussman, who is accused of lying to the FBI about whether he was working for the Clinton campaign or

00:04:10.720 merely providing information as a concerned citizen. And one of the more interesting things is that Sussman and the others

00:04:17.960 planned for this revelation about Alpha Bank to be an October surprise. And indeed, it was. Jake Sullivan, who is now the

00:04:26.440 national security advisor, released a statement from the Hillary Clinton campaign that she tweeted and that

00:04:32.080 everybody on the left shared, including our soon to be resigning ministry of disinformation diva, Nina Jankiewicz.

00:04:42.000 She also shared this little piece of disinformation. But he put out a statement saying that there was this

00:04:46.140 Alpha Bank server that was connecting Trump Tower to the Russians somehow. And this is a major problem. So they 0.77

00:04:52.740 unrolled this as a political hit job. And they did whatever they could to make the story credible,

00:05:02.360 including saying that they'd gone to the FBI and so forth. Now, Durham was not allowed by the court to

00:05:08.820 bring in the whole story of the Clinton campaign conspiracy. So he's only allowed to focus on the parts

00:05:15.360 that relate to whether Sussman lied to the FBI or not. But we've learned a lot already about the inner

00:05:20.900 workings of that campaign. There were some people who didn't know it was a hoax. They testified in court

00:05:26.580 that they were convinced this was a legitimate national security issue. And I think some of them

00:05:33.420 have to be believed. But keep in mind, they had been told for months already that Trump was colluding

00:05:38.800 with Russia. They had been told by the media that when Trump joked about Russia looking for Hillary's

00:05:43.720 missing 33,000 emails, that he was serious about somehow inviting Russian intervention. So they were led by

00:05:50.900 the malevolent and the humorless down into this rabbit hole. And they participated in this hoax.

00:05:57.980 The FBI knew almost immediately that it was a hoax. And yet the story continued and was fed to the media.

00:06:05.120 And we're getting at least part of the story today in the Sussman trial. There are more witnesses to

00:06:11.020 come, a whole roster of Democratic Party bigwigs and Hillary Clinton campaign officials, including

00:06:16.700 Robbie Mook, who ran the campaign and, according to some accounts, was partly responsible for cooking

00:06:22.080 up the claim that Russia stole the election. So we're going to get at least some of the picture

00:06:27.800 of what happened in 2016 when Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, in collusion with the mainstream media,

00:06:35.000 did their best to undermine a sitting president and to reverse the results of a Democratic election.

00:06:41.340 And they laid a foundation for this while he was still campaigning for the job. He has the

00:06:50.380 distinction of being persecuted by his political opponent, both as a candidate, a president and

00:06:57.820 post-presidency. It's quite remarkable to see the effort that has been undertaken by the intelligence

00:07:04.880 community, the Democratic Party elites, I'll put it that way, and Clinton elites, as well as the permanent

00:07:13.580 bureaucracy, or as we affectionately refer to them here on this podcast as the deep state. To see Durham so

00:07:22.960 patiently go through this is both, I'm sure, frustrating to everyone. I know it is to me. But to see the way in which he is

00:07:32.940 now bringing much of it together, or at least appearing to do so, it really gives me some hope that we're going to see

00:07:42.440 revelation after revelation here, unless Obama judges do their job, as they've done in other instances of the

00:07:53.660 pursuit of truth, and work against those revelations. What do you think?

00:07:58.000 Well, this is an Obama-appointed judge, and he has been okay so far, but he has narrowed the evidence

00:08:06.740 to that which pertains directly to the charge. So he has not allowed this broader conspiracy

00:08:12.020 to be described in full. So I guess if he has a bias, it was against revealing the full extent of the

00:08:18.820 Clinton and Obama administration conspiracy to paint this Russia collusion picture. But

00:08:24.480 I do think the judge has been fair, and he has allowed in a lot of other evidence that Durham's

00:08:30.120 going to use. And probably the most important piece of evidence is a text message in which

00:08:35.200 Michael Sussman, the Clinton campaign attorney who is on trial, said to the FBI agent that he was

00:08:41.340 speaking to that he was only giving this information about Alpha Bank as a concerned citizen,

00:08:46.460 and was very explicit about not working on anyone's behalf. The testimony thus far has gone deeply into

00:08:54.900 the question of when billable hours were charged and who was paying for them and so forth. But it does

00:09:01.400 look pretty clear that Sussman was billing the Clinton campaign for hours during which he was working

00:09:08.020 on opposition research, which was probably related to this outreach to the FBI. So this is looking

00:09:14.820 pretty bad for the defense. And they seem to think that it's ludicrous to believe that Michael Sussman

00:09:22.980 would throw away his whole career with a lie to the FBI. Why would he do that? That was in the opening

00:09:29.340 statement to the jury. They are also trying to say that the lie was immaterial and so forth. But I don't

00:09:36.420 think they're going to do very well here. Meanwhile, by going to trial, they have given Durham an

00:09:42.780 opportunity to bring all of this other stuff into the light. And the media have ignored the origins

00:09:48.760 of the Russia collusion hoax. In fact, a few years ago, when the inspector general of the Department

00:09:53.800 of Justice came out with his review of the Russia collusion hoax and the phony FISA warrants lying to

00:10:01.240 the FISA court and so forth, he came out and said, well, mistakes were made, but he doesn't think there was

00:10:07.120 a political motive at the origins of all this. And then remember, Attorney General Bill Barr said,

00:10:11.560 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I absolutely think there was a political motive at the start of all this.

00:10:15.740 And he made it clear that John Durham believed there was a political motive at the start of all

00:10:19.380 of this. And now we see the political motives. This was cooked up by the Clinton campaign in an attempt

00:10:24.500 to create an October surprise in 2016. Even though they were way ahead in the polls, they wanted to

00:10:29.260 create an October surprise to remove any chance that Donald Trump could win. And all of this blew up in

00:10:35.140 their faces when the director of the FBI at the time, James Comey, apparently acting on a false

00:10:43.180 belief that Russia had intercepted some Clinton communications, went out there and said they were

00:10:48.660 going to reopen the investigation. This is in late October 2016. I think it was October 28.

00:10:53.080 They were going to go reopen the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails because of the Anthony

00:10:57.200 Wiener laptop that was found in an investigation for which he later went to jail for having inappropriate

00:11:02.700 sexual conversations with a minor online. So it all comes back to Andrew Breitbart and Wienergate

00:11:08.460 10 years before somehow. But, you know, this was the entire, as you put it, deep state colluding with

00:11:17.600 the media, colluding with the Democratic Party to create this insurance policy, to use the words of

00:11:23.800 Peter Stroke, to make sure that Trump would not become president or that if he did become president, he could

00:11:29.660 be removed through investigation and impeachment. And there you have certainly an October surprise in

00:11:37.340 the making. It didn't, as you say, work out exactly as they intended, as these things often don't.

00:11:44.300 What is interesting when you raise the Breitbart connection to Wienergate is whatever happened to that

00:11:54.660 laptop, all of its sordid contents. And why has there been so little inquiry, in your judgment,

00:12:02.520 about it from the ever so curious, always, and ready to protect the American democracy, corporate media outlets?

00:12:14.340 Well, that laptop was apparently reviewed by the FBI, but they did it very quickly, absurdly quickly.

00:12:20.400 They wanted to get it done before the November election, November 8th, 2016. And they said they

00:12:25.800 went through all the emails, there was nothing new. They hadn't known about this cache of emails on an

00:12:30.180 unsecured hard drive, some of which may have had classified markings. But they said, oh, we've seen

00:12:35.060 all these emails before, there's nothing new here. And I'm not sure whether that was the right conclusion,

00:12:40.140 but that's what they told the public, they went through all of it. But what it did was it reminded

00:12:46.220 the public, and I think particularly Republican voters who had been wavering on whether or not

00:12:50.780 to trust Donald Trump, it reminded the public that there was a cloud of suspicion hanging over

00:12:54.740 Hillary Clinton. Now, what was it? It wasn't just that she had some technicality that she violated 1.00

00:12:59.460 the Espionage Act by mistake or whatever, because she had this private email server at home.

00:13:05.500 And, you know, lots of government officials, fortunately or unfortunately,

00:13:09.440 use private emails for various reasons, even while they're in government service. They probably

00:13:13.520 shouldn't do that. But it's been done by Republican and Democratic administrations. And, you know,

00:13:18.900 it looks a little bit like a misdemeanor, no harm, no foul, not the kind of foul that sends you to the

00:13:24.640 free throw line, you know, in basketball. But the reason she had the private server, and this is where

00:13:30.160 we really get into the problem with Hillary Clinton as a candidate. The reason she had the private 0.97

00:13:35.840 server was there was evidence from my colleague, Peter Schweitzer and his research, evidence that she was

00:13:41.860 using her position as Secretary of State to enrich herself and her family and her foundation,

00:13:47.240 because the donations to the Clinton Foundation went way up while she was Secretary of State,

00:13:53.000 Bill Clinton going around the world getting half a million dollars a speech, that sort of thing.

00:13:57.300 And it was an influence peddling operation that they had to keep off the government servers.

00:14:02.340 So it couldn't be FOIA. In other words, it couldn't be produced to the public on demand.

00:14:06.740 And they destroyed all the cell phones, and they lost all the emails. So this was a way for her to

00:14:12.380 control the information that many people believe, including myself, documented this influence peddling

00:14:19.400 that was going on. And we see that now with the Biden administration, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden

00:14:25.860 were in business together, Joe Biden used his position as vice president to enrich his son.

00:14:30.060 When he was out of office, he and his son went into business together. And this relationship

00:14:34.240 continued. It's all documented there on Hunter Biden's laptop. And much like Hillary Clinton's

00:14:40.160 private email server, they had to make sure nobody saw it. So when it was discovered accidentally,

00:14:45.080 the media and big tech and the Biden campaign had to pretend it was all Russian disinformation.

00:14:52.500 They had to pretend it was a lie. And it wasn't a lie. It was a repeat of what happened with Hillary

00:14:57.040 Clinton. There was basically a business grafted onto senior levels of the United States executive.

00:15:05.440 And we have the same problem in the Biden administration. And now anytime Biden does

00:15:10.440 something or doesn't do something on, let's say, China, or even on Ukraine and Russia, where Hunter

00:15:15.140 Biden had some dealings, we don't know if he's acting on his own behalf or the country's behalf.

00:15:21.260 I mean, there are serious criticisms out there saying, why is Joe Biden sending so much money to

00:15:26.480 Ukraine, when there's a clear conflict of interest, that his son was serving on this prominent energy

00:15:32.100 board in Ukraine, and so on and so forth. Now, I think there are independent reasons for and against

00:15:36.240 sending that money overseas. But people are asking the question, is this really an act on behalf of the

00:15:42.380 country or on behalf of his son, his family, and so forth. And especially with China, where we're not

00:15:48.700 really even clear yet whether Hunter Biden has completely unwound his Chinese investments.

00:15:52.800 That's a really important question. How much is Biden doing for the country? And how much is he

00:15:57.460 doing for the Biden family?

00:15:59.100 It's, we're talking about, we haven't even gotten into the bio labs, the research laboratories,

00:16:07.400 and all of the exploratory talks, we're told that that's all they were, exploratory talks by Hunter

00:16:16.620 Biden and his erstwhile professional associates. Meanwhile, we know they're there. We had it

00:16:25.260 validated by Victoria Nuland, no less. And again, not even artfully did the left-wing media

00:16:35.680 just subtly recede from any interest in the story. And it's sort of gone on by. It's a very

00:16:44.500 important story, it seems to me, but you can't convince CNN, the New York Times, or the Washington

00:16:51.160 Post of that, can you?

00:16:53.200 Well, you know, once in a while, they do tell the truth. And one of the more interesting revelations

00:16:58.360 in this whole saga did come from the Washington Post. They were the ones who broke the story

00:17:02.940 that this fellow Mark Elias was the lawyer responsible for arranging the hiring of Fusion

00:17:10.520 GPS, the opposition research firm, to produce the phony Russia dossier, which led to this entire

00:17:15.780 collusion story. And he hired Fusion on behalf of the Clinton campaign and on behalf of the

00:17:22.240 Democratic National Committee. He laundered that money essentially through his law firm at the time,

00:17:26.440 Perkins Coie. And the FEC recently fined Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee

00:17:32.460 for failing to disclose that expenditure properly. They disguised it as legal expenses, but it was

00:17:39.220 spent on Fusion GPS producing this fraudulent document. So that actually came up from the

00:17:45.040 Washington Post. Once in a while, they do get to the heart of this. But what's interesting to me is

00:17:50.340 to watch these White House briefings. You know, we had Jake Sullivan at the briefing this week,

00:17:54.080 and he's appeared many times before. And mostly what he speaks about these days is Russia.

00:17:59.140 And yet Jake Sullivan was one of the authors of the Russia collusion conspiracy theory. How are we to

00:18:04.400 take anything he says seriously about Russia? When he lied to the media, he lied to the public about the

00:18:10.960 Russia collusion hoax. And he lied to Congress. He was investigated or he testified in front of the

00:18:16.500 House Intelligence Committee in 2017 as part of their investigation. And he said falsely that Michael

00:18:22.800 Flynn was colluding with the Russians and that Donald Trump had been colluding with the Russians. Now, he can't

00:18:27.860 be prosecuted for perjury because he was giving his opinion to Representative Adam Schiff. But still, he said

00:18:33.560 something false to Congress about this. He lied to everybody. Now, I accept that the administration's policy

00:18:40.760 of isolating Russia might be in the right direction. I happen to agree that we should support Ukraine against 0.99

00:18:48.100 Russia in general. But how can we trust anything this particular individual is telling us about this? 0.60

00:18:55.120 Because he has lied repeatedly about supposed collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

00:19:03.100 And that's important because those lies created mistrust and blocked relations between the U.S. and Russia

00:19:10.860 in a way that might have led to the present crisis. We are not, if you'll notice, we're not even

00:19:15.920 participating in any diplomacy, at least openly with Russia. We're leaving that up to other people.

00:19:21.560 Biden, who said diplomacy is back. Namely China.

00:19:25.160 Right. But, you know, we're leaving it to the Ukrainians themselves or the Israelis or the Turks 0.83

00:19:29.380 or the Chinese or whoever. And Biden's big thing was diplomacy is back, but he's not doing any

00:19:34.160 diplomacy. And maybe he can't do diplomacy with Russia because he has spent the last several years,

00:19:39.200 along with the rest of his party, demonizing Russia for partisan domestic political reasons.

00:19:43.840 When, if they had not told this lie, if they had not created this hoax, we could actually have the

00:19:49.880 possibility of some sort of diplomatic settlement of this thing that wouldn't involve billions and

00:19:53.980 billions of dollars that would bring this war to a close without costing thousands more lives. I

00:19:58.060 mean, I'm a very hawkish person in terms of my foreign policy orientation. I don't see a way,

00:20:03.480 even with Ukraine holding out as bravely as they have done, I don't see a way to bring this to a

00:20:07.740 conclusion without some kind of agreement, because you're dealing with a nuclear power controlled by an

00:20:12.400 unpredictable individual. I don't think that's a situation in which you can really go on the

00:20:16.320 offensive with any great degree of confidence. This president has been in office since January,

00:20:23.200 almost a year and a half ago. And no one's taking into account what the policies were of this

00:20:30.080 administration in the months, the year leading up to this invasion of Ukraine. I am not so easily

00:20:38.800 persuaded that we need to be spending in excess of what will be over 50 billion dollars on military

00:20:46.160 equipment and whatever other aid is provided for in the legislation. But I'm also deeply troubled by

00:20:53.920 Zelensky saying to the president's emissaries, do not, do not return here with empty hands. It wasn't a

00:21:03.520 request. It was a demand. And given the checkered history of both men, that's deeply troubling.

00:21:12.260 And again, I see very few following up on that and comparing this aid of the United States and the

00:21:19.320 positioning of our troops in Poland, the eastern flank, and the suggestion that we're going to send

00:21:27.840 more trips to Somalia. This is a more than just a reversal of Trump doctrine.

00:21:34.000 Yeah. Well, we really don't know why the administration is pursuing the course that

00:21:39.260 they are. There seems to be no reason. And they're not explaining what their goals are in Ukraine. So

00:21:44.460 they're going to Congress and asking for 40 billion dollars and Congress is giving it to them, it looks

00:21:48.300 like. Yeah. But they're not saying what the strategy is. And really, whenever you're going to spend that

00:21:52.760 kind of money, I mean, if this were a business, the board would say to the CEO, well, what are the

00:21:57.740 other alternatives to spending this money? I mean, can you do the same thing? Can you get to the same

00:22:02.780 outcome more cheaply? What's the cost going to be if we sit down at the table with the Russians and say, 0.99

00:22:08.240 all right, let's negotiate an end to this border dispute. And you end the war and Ukraine

00:22:13.680 makes some concessions and then we call it a day. And then we don't have to spend 40 billion

00:22:19.100 dollars and continue the war that's displaced so many millions of people and cause such trouble to

00:22:25.720 the rest of the world. And, you know, there really is a risk here of the deployment of technical

00:22:31.400 nuclear weapons by the Russians. They've said as much essentially. And we have to be wary of that.

00:22:37.500 You know, this is not just science fiction. This is not out of a comic book, graphic novel or

00:22:43.020 something. This is the real world. And the Biden people seem to think that they've got the upper

00:22:48.440 hand. But the Trump card, no pun intended, is really still held by Putin in the form of

00:22:55.840 nuclear retaliation. And he may not attack the U.S. homeland. He may not attack a NATO member.

00:23:02.400 But what would he do? What would we do if he attacked Ukraine? I mean, we're not treaty bound

00:23:07.740 to defend Ukraine. And would we really want to risk a more global nuclear confrontation by retaliating?

00:23:13.660 So so so I don't think that the Biden people have thought this through.

00:23:18.160 Oh, I'm I'm afraid that this is one of the few things they may have thought through because they

00:23:24.460 have been prodding Putin from the time Biden got in office and the conversations began with Zelensky

00:23:33.360 talking about bringing him into NATO, expanding NATO. And this went on and the talks got greater energy as

00:23:44.480 we approach the fall of 2021. And and it makes no sense because that is a red line. It has always

00:23:53.760 been a red line for Vladimir Putin. The expansion, the military expansion of the NATO defensive alliance

00:23:59.940 is a an absolute no. And it will be met with a response. He's said as much. He's reiterated as

00:24:07.660 much. He is accepting Sweden and Finland so long as there is no military expansion of NATO power

00:24:16.080 in those two countries. And that's you know, those are two of the better run countries in the

00:24:24.100 in Europe. They're small, but they're they're mighty. It's so it's it's troubling to me and I think to

00:24:32.180 many others that Biden sometimes you have to take what something is at face value. And this at face

00:24:41.000 value looks like an effort by the Biden administration to provoke the results that we witnessed on February

00:24:47.880 24th. Your thoughts? Well, I think there's also domestic politics involved here. I think that

00:24:55.980 for Biden and the Democrats and much of the foreign policy establishment, they see an opportunity to

00:25:01.360 punish Vladimir Putin for what they still view as the stolen election of 2016. And there's a bit of

00:25:08.620 vengeance at work, I think psychologically, at least I don't know if that's guiding their foreign policy

00:25:13.380 decisions, but it does seem to be the sentiment that they share. I don't know that they want to

00:25:17.700 provoke Russia into a war, but you have to consider that possibility that they want to provoke Russia to

00:25:23.340 act so that they have a pretext for acting in an even more overtly offensive manner. Because something

00:25:32.700 like a no fly zone, for example, would involve having to attack Russian assets on the ground in Belarus,

00:25:38.800 which is an ally of Russia and possibly within Russia itself. So they don't want to do that and

00:25:43.760 risk provoking a much larger confrontation unless they can say, well, we were attacked first. So I

00:25:48.860 think they're daring Putin to do something. Look, maybe they also just feel that there's a win to be

00:25:53.780 had here in a broader strategic sense. Maybe they're enticed by the idea of removing a major geopolitical

00:26:01.080 rival or at least a geopolitical problem from the map. And then they can pivot to China and focus on

00:26:07.260 China. I mean, that's probably the most charitable reading of it. But I also think that they're not 0.99

00:26:11.760 being clear with the public. When you're asking the American people to make sacrifices on the order

00:26:15.460 of $40 billion, which is far more than we spend securing our southern border. Okay, I don't think

00:26:20.760 the two are mutually exclusive. But how do you say we don't have money for a border wall? And it's a

00:26:26.240 waste of money to build a wall on the border when you're sending many times that amount to defend

00:26:31.160 someone else's border? It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:26:33.260 No, but the Biden administration, again, in one of its few instances of being forthright,

00:26:38.380 has said the reason. They intend to flood this country with illegal immigrants across that southern 1.00

00:26:46.220 border. That's the reason they do not have a wall. They are pulled back the border patrol and that they

00:26:54.300 have suspended effectively the operations of immigration and custom enforcement. It's, again,

00:27:01.520 it's straightforward. And as you know, this administration isn't straightforward about

00:27:07.040 many things. It's been absolutely forthright on those matters. Let's look at something that's a

00:27:13.640 very interesting contrast. Vladimir Putin, before the war began, used migrant flows across the borders

00:27:22.820 of Eastern Europe to try to disrupt the societies and the governments of his rivals in that region.

00:27:32.060 He was deliberately funneling migrants into Europe across the Eastern European frontier.

00:27:37.860 And we spoke out against that. Now, how do we speak out against Putin using migration,

00:27:44.120 essentially to invade his neighbors and disrupt their lives when we won't stop the caravans and the

00:27:54.080 millions of people who are pouring across our borders, shepherded by the cartels? Why are we so

00:27:59.920 sensitive to Putin sending migrants across the border, but we are not doing anything about the

00:28:04.420 migrants coming into our country? And part of it is class, if I can use a Marxist term, because 0.92

00:28:09.960 the people making these policies live very far away from the communities that are impacted by the

00:28:16.980 rapid influx of migrants. If you live in a nice apartment in Northwest Washington, D.C., a nice 1.00

00:28:22.060 condo or whatever, maybe you don't have to deal with this. But if you live in a border county in Texas,

00:28:26.400 you do. The other possibility is just they think that this is part of a broader political strategy.

00:28:34.060 And that's very controversial to say right now. And there's a sort of white supremacist,

00:28:38.380 racist version of this, which I think is abhorrent and discredited and not to be taken seriously. But

00:28:43.220 Democrats do resist any effort to distinguish between legal immigrants on the one hand and

00:28:51.300 illegal aliens on the other. When the Trump administration tried to count residents and to

00:28:57.940 exclude those who were illegally in the country in the census, Democrats went to court over that.

00:29:02.740 They did not want the illegal population to be excluded from the census count because they wanted

00:29:08.220 to make sure they had enough congressional seats in the blue states where there are large numbers

00:29:12.760 of illegal residents such as California. So the good offices of the of the blue judges

00:29:18.920 that they put put the case in front of, they won and without any basis for appeal.

00:29:26.260 It is just the same stratagem that you would expect. And it goes on. Their simple answers are

00:29:35.960 straightforward. And and I don't understand why people have any doubt about the purpose of the of

00:29:46.220 the left, the purpose of the Democrat Party. And and the real reason that Trump drove in my judgment,

00:29:55.420 drove drove drove the left not is because he was not a racist. He was absolutely securing the border.

00:30:06.120 And he was working to find ways to do it, irrespective of the rhetoric, the rationale or rationalizations

00:30:13.120 of the left. It drove them utterly nuts. You don't agree?

00:30:18.480 No, you know, this is this is something we see in our politics, that they're manipulating the

00:30:24.540 immigration issue. You know, when John McCain ran for president back in 2007, 2008, his chief of staff,

00:30:32.020 Mark Salter, wrote a piece in Real Clear Politics in which he pointed out that Barack Obama, who was then

00:30:38.660 the likely Democratic nominee for president, Barack Obama had torpedoed on several occasions

00:30:45.240 bipartisan efforts to create a comprehensive immigration reform. So when it when it looked

00:30:52.800 like it was going to happen and the Bush administration supported it and the Democrats in

00:30:56.460 Congress supported it, Barack Obama found a reason, even though he was supposed to be working on this

00:31:00.520 deal, he found a reason to undermine it. And the reasons kept changing. The unions didn't want it or

00:31:05.200 so forth. But essentially, the reason was always the same underlying reason, which is that Obama preferred

00:31:10.000 to have immigration as an election issue, rather than solving the problem. Democrats don't want to

00:31:15.120 solve the problem. If they wanted to solve the problem, it could have been done a long time ago.

00:31:20.120 And whenever the prospect of finding a bipartisan path arose, even under the Trump administration,

00:31:29.360 Democrats rejected it. Remember, in his second State of the Union, it was actually technically his

00:31:34.360 first State of the Union, but his second address to Congress, Trump outlined the four pillars

00:31:38.480 of immigration reform. And Democrats immediately rejected those pillars because they did not want

00:31:44.040 anything that would prevent future chain migration. That was the big sticking point. Trump wanted

00:31:49.500 immigration based on skills. Democrats want to continue the family based chain migration system,

00:31:54.720 which has been so abused and has allowed so many people to come in in such an uncontrolled way.

00:32:00.000 So it was a nonstarter for Democrats, but that's what the country wants. I mean, the country wants a

00:32:05.060 solution to this problem. And Democrats, well, look, they're going to pay a price in November,

00:32:08.460 but they're going to try to get as many people across the border before November as they can.

00:32:12.800 You know, and this was about Title 42. The fact of the matter is, with or without Title 42,

00:32:19.540 the Biden administration will figure out a way to bring in the estimated 7 to 8 million more

00:32:25.520 illegal immigrants over the course of the next year. It's that someone has come up with a number

00:32:30.920 that is critical mass, if you will. And I truly believe that. To what purpose? You know, we have a lot

00:32:39.340 of theories on that, but none of them are in the interest of the United States.

00:32:44.760 Well, I agree with you there. And Democrats have yet to explain why it is that they won't

00:32:49.660 stop the influx over the border. Now, there are possible reasons, but these are all just

00:32:56.340 conjectural. One is the political motive you and I have discussed. Another is just sentiment. They

00:33:01.540 want to be nice. They don't like enforcing laws in any context. So maybe they don't want to do the

00:33:06.360 hard work, the sometimes difficult work of enforcing immigration law. And they just leave us out there

00:33:13.020 to speculate because they don't explain it to the public. Why are you allowing this to happen? All they

00:33:17.740 can do is say, well, Donald Trump's policy was inhumane or whatever that means. But it's not humane or

00:33:22.480 compassionate to allow the cartels to smuggle these people, to abuse these people, to leave them

00:33:28.340 abandoned in rivers or in deserts to die. That's not compassionate. What's compassionate is an orderly

00:33:34.020 immigration system. And Democrats don't want that. But they don't explain that. And I think, look,

00:33:39.340 I do think there are going to be political consequences, but there are also societal consequences

00:33:43.020 because they're telling us that if you even challenge that policy, then you're a racist who

00:33:48.120 supports mass murder and so forth. And, you know, it's just toxic. And that the accusation

00:33:57.240 has become, I think, significantly less effective over time. It's a bit diluted. And people have

00:34:05.560 the experience of knowing what is racism and what is not. And this is this Democrat party is now so

00:34:13.020 obvious, obviously a party of division and racial identity at its core that I personally believe that 0.71

00:34:24.100 the Democrat party will suffer, as you said, in November for a lot of reasons, but certainly large

00:34:29.860 among them. Is this now, I think, obvious to most judgment of the party as being really a retrograde

00:34:41.440 party? It styles itself as progressive. It's retrograde. And it's disgusting. And it's got all

00:34:52.420 sorts of these Marxist elements, whether we're talking about ESG, CRT, EID, you know, and corporate

00:35:01.420 America is in league with it. And I think, again, they're on the wrong side of history. They are working

00:35:08.280 between parents and their children. They are trying to divide by race. It's really a, the Democratic 0.55

00:35:16.960 party is in shambles and they, they just don't know it. Yeah, they really are. And they don't

00:35:23.260 have much to stand on. So you're going to hear a lot of hysteria and look, I'm surprised and somewhat

00:35:27.640 impressed by how organized the hysteria is. I mean, they're really out there getting their message out,

00:35:32.340 trying to scare as many people as possible. I just don't know that the average American voter is

00:35:35.820 listening anymore. I think people are looking at the gas price. People are worried about their

00:35:40.060 household budgets. People are looking at their stock market portfolios, tanking their 401ks.

00:35:44.680 Remember Trump used to be mocked for saying the stock market was going to crash and then

00:35:47.720 Biden took office and it kept going up for a while. Well, now the headlines are all about the

00:35:52.060 stock market crashing and people are looking at their E-Trade accounts and their 401ks and they're

00:35:56.720 starting to panic. And that's a result of inflation, but the inflation is also a result of the

00:36:02.300 Biden administration's policy of spending as much money as possible. So I think that those

00:36:08.020 issues are going to dominate, but we'll have to see. It is not going to be a walk for Republicans.

00:36:11.680 It's going to be quite a battle. Oh, I hope it will be because the better the battle, the more facts

00:36:18.320 will be out in front of the American people. I hope it's as, I hope this is as aggressive of political

00:36:24.020 fight as we've had in a merry moon, because I truly believe that in the arena, truth is found in this

00:36:30.680 great Republic. And what I hate is when people try to stifle truth and pervert it, which is

00:36:38.400 a hobby for most of the left in this country. Joel, I want to say, first of all, thank you. I always

00:36:46.740 enjoy talking with you. And if we're not ending on too sweet a note, I think I should point out one

00:36:53.880 thing in case everyone's feeling jolly about the Republican Party. Remember, 40 Republican senators

00:37:00.460 sent a letter to Biden asking for that no-fly zone that was a sure mark for war with Russia. 40

00:37:09.400 Republican senators. Don't you find that stunning, Joel?

00:37:13.200 Well, I just find it stunning that nobody thinks about the consequences and nobody asks the

00:37:19.420 questions. And again, nobody asks, is this the most cost effective way of pursuing the same goal?

00:37:27.560 What is the goal? Is your goal to get rid of Putin like Biden let slip in Warsaw? Is your goal to

00:37:33.600 reach peace? I mean, what is the goal here? And why are we throwing money at this without asking what

00:37:39.340 the goal is? I mean, look, I am all for supporting Ukraine. I think Russia ought to be condemned for 0.97

00:37:44.680 its aggression and all of that. And I would not like to see Ukraine lose this war. But I also think 0.95

00:37:50.980 that the way we should proceed is diplomacy. That's what Biden ran on. He ran on diplomacy. And instead

00:37:56.540 of that, he's just sending more weapons overseas. And if he's going to cast that as our approach,

00:38:03.420 well, I want to know what he thinks the goal is. I mean, if weapons are the means, what are the

00:38:07.560 ends? And he hasn't told us. Well, and I'm not sure that if he knew he would fully comprehend

00:38:13.920 sufficiently to convey that meaning. Joel, we always give our guests the last word. Your concluding

00:38:23.140 thoughts, if you will. Well, I think the world is in a tough spot at the moment. We're all going to

00:38:29.100 go through a pretty rough patch and it's not going to be solved after November. I think simply having

00:38:34.100 control of Congress if Republicans manage to win is not going to be enough. But I do think we should

00:38:38.900 welcome an open contest in the 2024 primary. I do think President Trump is going to run. I think

00:38:44.820 there may be other candidates who run. But I think what we're learning through these early primaries

00:38:48.960 so far in the midterm elections is that more voices don't actually hurt the Republican Party or

00:38:57.460 the Democratic Party. More voices are good for the process. And I think that we should welcome

00:39:02.280 the contest and debate that's coming. But it becomes more and more urgent with every day.

00:39:07.120 So we all have to take it more seriously because this is really turning out to be a crucial moment.

00:39:13.000 Can we save our country from going over the cliff? I was mocked when I predicted that Joe Biden would

00:39:17.640 be the most left-wing president in American history. And here we are. So this is really important.

00:39:23.020 And right you are. It's good to talk so long with a fellow who is right so often. Joel Pollack,

00:39:31.620 Breitbart, editor-at-large, thanks so much for being with us. We appreciate it.

00:39:36.280 Always a pleasure.

00:39:37.460 God bless.

00:39:38.860 Joel Pollack, great American. Coming up this week, I'll be sitting down with President Donald J. Trump.

00:39:45.480 That's Wednesday the 25th. I'll be talking with President Trump. I'm really looking forward to that,

00:39:50.680 as you might guess. And with us Tuesday, Steve Bannon will be here. Our good friend will be

00:39:55.380 with us to talk about how much trouble this country is in. We'll have Steve's view on everything from

00:40:00.620 runaway inflation to this disastrous administration. Joining us here tomorrow will be General Michael

00:40:06.440 Flynn. General Flynn is preparing lawsuits against those who've wronged him and this country,

00:40:11.740 who have inflicted great pain on the general and his family, and for whom it appears there will now be

00:40:17.920 an accounting. That's General Michael Flynn here tomorrow. Please be with us. Till then,

00:40:24.160 God bless you, and God bless America.

The Great America Show - May 22, 2022

SUSSMANN TRIAL IS A WINDOW INTO OBAMA & CLINTON CORRUPTION

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