SUSSMANN TRIAL IS A WINDOW INTO OBAMA & CLINTON CORRUPTION
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A year and a half later, the John Durham Special Counsel investigation is unfolding in federal court in Washington, D.C. against Hillary Clinton's former campaign attorney Michael Sussman, who is facing one count of lying to the FBI.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and you're listening to The Great America Show, and here
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we're all about truth, justice, and the American way, every day. Welcome to the show, and it's
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great to have you with us as we take on the dark forces at work in our country and our enemies in
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foreign lands, mainly China, Russia, and Iran. We like to name names here, but there are others,
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and named or not, we will take them up in due course. Sometimes it takes more time than any of
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us would like or have to bear. The John Durham special counsel investigation is just such an
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instance. A.G. William Barr chose to appoint Durham special counsel to investigate the origins of the
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FBI investigation of Russian collusion and Russian interference in the 2016 election. Barr chose to
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appoint Durham in absolute secrecy on the 19th of October. That would be just five days after the
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country had watched as social media, big tech, and corporate news outlets had brought down a wall of
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disinformation and silence around the Hunter Biden laptop from hell, and three days before the final
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presidential debate that year. The election was still two weeks away, but one new development,
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unsuspected by the American people, was already at work. A letter signed by 51 intel veterans,
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including five former CIA chiefs, was released to the media and to others, declaring their best
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judgment was that Hunter's laptop and its contents were Russian disinformation. They might as well have
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sworn on a stack of Bibles. That intel letter effectively killed the authentic evidence that the laptop was
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Hunter's and its disgusting contents proved Biden family corruption. All true, as we now know.
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Attorney General Barr says he didn't want to intervene in the election, which is why he made his
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appointment of John Durham to lead the special counsel investigation an absolute secret. But then,
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three days later, Joe Biden lied to the American people during the second and final presidential
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debate. And Attorney General Barr, again, chose not to tell America that the intel letter and the chiefs
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who had produced it were the real authors of election disinformation, nor tell them that former Vice
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President Joe Biden was lying through his teeth to the American people in that final debate.
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Barr's choices and decisions changed American history, and Joe Biden was elected president on November 3rd.
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Now, a year and a half later, John Durham's investigation is unfolding in federal court in Washington, D.C.
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Durham is prosecuting Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign attorney, Michael Sussman. He's facing one
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charge, lying to the FBI. And the evidence is compelling. But of course, there's more evidence to come.
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We hope much more. Our guest today is covering this massive and long-awaited case. Our guest is Joel Pollack,
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Breitbart News senior editor-at-large. Joel is among the very best of American journalism. And Joel, it's great to
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have you back with us here on The Great America Show. This is obviously a hugely important case,
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representing really the inception of Russiagate, the Russia hoax, as President Trump appropriately and correctly
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Well, this was the Russia collusion hoax that the Hillary Clinton campaign was working on over the course of the
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2016 presidential election. And there was a particular offshoot of this hoax called the Alpha Bank hoax, where they
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tried to connect Trump to Russia via Alpha Bank. Now, there are a number of interesting things that have emerged from the
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trial of Michael Sussman, who is accused of lying to the FBI about whether he was working for the Clinton campaign or
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merely providing information as a concerned citizen. And one of the more interesting things is that Sussman and the others
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planned for this revelation about Alpha Bank to be an October surprise. And indeed, it was. Jake Sullivan, who is now the
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national security advisor, released a statement from the Hillary Clinton campaign that she tweeted and that
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everybody on the left shared, including our soon to be resigning ministry of disinformation diva, Nina Jankiewicz.
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She also shared this little piece of disinformation. But he put out a statement saying that there was this
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Alpha Bank server that was connecting Trump Tower to the Russians somehow. And this is a major problem. So they
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unrolled this as a political hit job. And they did whatever they could to make the story credible,
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including saying that they'd gone to the FBI and so forth. Now, Durham was not allowed by the court to
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bring in the whole story of the Clinton campaign conspiracy. So he's only allowed to focus on the parts
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that relate to whether Sussman lied to the FBI or not. But we've learned a lot already about the inner
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workings of that campaign. There were some people who didn't know it was a hoax. They testified in court
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that they were convinced this was a legitimate national security issue. And I think some of them
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have to be believed. But keep in mind, they had been told for months already that Trump was colluding
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with Russia. They had been told by the media that when Trump joked about Russia looking for Hillary's
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missing 33,000 emails, that he was serious about somehow inviting Russian intervention. So they were led by
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the malevolent and the humorless down into this rabbit hole. And they participated in this hoax.
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The FBI knew almost immediately that it was a hoax. And yet the story continued and was fed to the media.
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And we're getting at least part of the story today in the Sussman trial. There are more witnesses to
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come, a whole roster of Democratic Party bigwigs and Hillary Clinton campaign officials, including
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Robbie Mook, who ran the campaign and, according to some accounts, was partly responsible for cooking
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up the claim that Russia stole the election. So we're going to get at least some of the picture
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of what happened in 2016 when Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, in collusion with the mainstream media,
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did their best to undermine a sitting president and to reverse the results of a Democratic election.
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And they laid a foundation for this while he was still campaigning for the job. He has the
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distinction of being persecuted by his political opponent, both as a candidate, a president and
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post-presidency. It's quite remarkable to see the effort that has been undertaken by the intelligence
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community, the Democratic Party elites, I'll put it that way, and Clinton elites, as well as the permanent
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bureaucracy, or as we affectionately refer to them here on this podcast as the deep state. To see Durham so
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patiently go through this is both, I'm sure, frustrating to everyone. I know it is to me. But to see the way in which he is
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now bringing much of it together, or at least appearing to do so, it really gives me some hope that we're going to see
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revelation after revelation here, unless Obama judges do their job, as they've done in other instances of the
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pursuit of truth, and work against those revelations. What do you think?
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Well, this is an Obama-appointed judge, and he has been okay so far, but he has narrowed the evidence
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to that which pertains directly to the charge. So he has not allowed this broader conspiracy
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to be described in full. So I guess if he has a bias, it was against revealing the full extent of the
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Clinton and Obama administration conspiracy to paint this Russia collusion picture. But
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I do think the judge has been fair, and he has allowed in a lot of other evidence that Durham's
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going to use. And probably the most important piece of evidence is a text message in which
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Michael Sussman, the Clinton campaign attorney who is on trial, said to the FBI agent that he was
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speaking to that he was only giving this information about Alpha Bank as a concerned citizen,
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and was very explicit about not working on anyone's behalf. The testimony thus far has gone deeply into
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the question of when billable hours were charged and who was paying for them and so forth. But it does
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look pretty clear that Sussman was billing the Clinton campaign for hours during which he was working
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on opposition research, which was probably related to this outreach to the FBI. So this is looking
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pretty bad for the defense. And they seem to think that it's ludicrous to believe that Michael Sussman
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would throw away his whole career with a lie to the FBI. Why would he do that? That was in the opening
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statement to the jury. They are also trying to say that the lie was immaterial and so forth. But I don't
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think they're going to do very well here. Meanwhile, by going to trial, they have given Durham an
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opportunity to bring all of this other stuff into the light. And the media have ignored the origins
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of the Russia collusion hoax. In fact, a few years ago, when the inspector general of the Department
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of Justice came out with his review of the Russia collusion hoax and the phony FISA warrants lying to
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the FISA court and so forth, he came out and said, well, mistakes were made, but he doesn't think there was
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a political motive at the origins of all this. And then remember, Attorney General Bill Barr said,
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whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I absolutely think there was a political motive at the start of all this.
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And he made it clear that John Durham believed there was a political motive at the start of all
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of this. And now we see the political motives. This was cooked up by the Clinton campaign in an attempt
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to create an October surprise in 2016. Even though they were way ahead in the polls, they wanted to
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create an October surprise to remove any chance that Donald Trump could win. And all of this blew up in
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their faces when the director of the FBI at the time, James Comey, apparently acting on a false
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belief that Russia had intercepted some Clinton communications, went out there and said they were
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going to reopen the investigation. This is in late October 2016. I think it was October 28.
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They were going to go reopen the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails because of the Anthony
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Wiener laptop that was found in an investigation for which he later went to jail for having inappropriate
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sexual conversations with a minor online. So it all comes back to Andrew Breitbart and Wienergate
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10 years before somehow. But, you know, this was the entire, as you put it, deep state colluding with
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the media, colluding with the Democratic Party to create this insurance policy, to use the words of
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Peter Stroke, to make sure that Trump would not become president or that if he did become president, he could
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be removed through investigation and impeachment. And there you have certainly an October surprise in
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the making. It didn't, as you say, work out exactly as they intended, as these things often don't.
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What is interesting when you raise the Breitbart connection to Wienergate is whatever happened to that
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laptop, all of its sordid contents. And why has there been so little inquiry, in your judgment,
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about it from the ever so curious, always, and ready to protect the American democracy, corporate media outlets?
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Well, that laptop was apparently reviewed by the FBI, but they did it very quickly, absurdly quickly.
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They wanted to get it done before the November election, November 8th, 2016. And they said they
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went through all the emails, there was nothing new. They hadn't known about this cache of emails on an
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unsecured hard drive, some of which may have had classified markings. But they said, oh, we've seen
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all these emails before, there's nothing new here. And I'm not sure whether that was the right conclusion,
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but that's what they told the public, they went through all of it. But what it did was it reminded
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the public, and I think particularly Republican voters who had been wavering on whether or not
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to trust Donald Trump, it reminded the public that there was a cloud of suspicion hanging over
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Hillary Clinton. Now, what was it? It wasn't just that she had some technicality that she violated
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the Espionage Act by mistake or whatever, because she had this private email server at home.
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And, you know, lots of government officials, fortunately or unfortunately,
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use private emails for various reasons, even while they're in government service. They probably
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shouldn't do that. But it's been done by Republican and Democratic administrations. And, you know,
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it looks a little bit like a misdemeanor, no harm, no foul, not the kind of foul that sends you to the
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free throw line, you know, in basketball. But the reason she had the private server, and this is where
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we really get into the problem with Hillary Clinton as a candidate. The reason she had the private
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server was there was evidence from my colleague, Peter Schweitzer and his research, evidence that she was
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using her position as Secretary of State to enrich herself and her family and her foundation,
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because the donations to the Clinton Foundation went way up while she was Secretary of State,
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Bill Clinton going around the world getting half a million dollars a speech, that sort of thing.
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And it was an influence peddling operation that they had to keep off the government servers.
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So it couldn't be FOIA. In other words, it couldn't be produced to the public on demand.
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And they destroyed all the cell phones, and they lost all the emails. So this was a way for her to
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control the information that many people believe, including myself, documented this influence peddling
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that was going on. And we see that now with the Biden administration, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden
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were in business together, Joe Biden used his position as vice president to enrich his son.
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When he was out of office, he and his son went into business together. And this relationship
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continued. It's all documented there on Hunter Biden's laptop. And much like Hillary Clinton's
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private email server, they had to make sure nobody saw it. So when it was discovered accidentally,
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the media and big tech and the Biden campaign had to pretend it was all Russian disinformation.
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They had to pretend it was a lie. And it wasn't a lie. It was a repeat of what happened with Hillary
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Clinton. There was basically a business grafted onto senior levels of the United States executive.
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And we have the same problem in the Biden administration. And now anytime Biden does
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something or doesn't do something on, let's say, China, or even on Ukraine and Russia, where Hunter
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Biden had some dealings, we don't know if he's acting on his own behalf or the country's behalf.
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I mean, there are serious criticisms out there saying, why is Joe Biden sending so much money to
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Ukraine, when there's a clear conflict of interest, that his son was serving on this prominent energy
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board in Ukraine, and so on and so forth. Now, I think there are independent reasons for and against
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sending that money overseas. But people are asking the question, is this really an act on behalf of the
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country or on behalf of his son, his family, and so forth. And especially with China, where we're not
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really even clear yet whether Hunter Biden has completely unwound his Chinese investments.
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That's a really important question. How much is Biden doing for the country? And how much is he
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It's, we're talking about, we haven't even gotten into the bio labs, the research laboratories,
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and all of the exploratory talks, we're told that that's all they were, exploratory talks by Hunter
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Biden and his erstwhile professional associates. Meanwhile, we know they're there. We had it
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validated by Victoria Nuland, no less. And again, not even artfully did the left-wing media
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just subtly recede from any interest in the story. And it's sort of gone on by. It's a very
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important story, it seems to me, but you can't convince CNN, the New York Times, or the Washington
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Well, you know, once in a while, they do tell the truth. And one of the more interesting revelations
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in this whole saga did come from the Washington Post. They were the ones who broke the story
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that this fellow Mark Elias was the lawyer responsible for arranging the hiring of Fusion
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GPS, the opposition research firm, to produce the phony Russia dossier, which led to this entire
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collusion story. And he hired Fusion on behalf of the Clinton campaign and on behalf of the
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Democratic National Committee. He laundered that money essentially through his law firm at the time,
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Perkins Coie. And the FEC recently fined Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee
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for failing to disclose that expenditure properly. They disguised it as legal expenses, but it was
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spent on Fusion GPS producing this fraudulent document. So that actually came up from the
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Washington Post. Once in a while, they do get to the heart of this. But what's interesting to me is
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to watch these White House briefings. You know, we had Jake Sullivan at the briefing this week,
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and he's appeared many times before. And mostly what he speaks about these days is Russia.
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And yet Jake Sullivan was one of the authors of the Russia collusion conspiracy theory. How are we to
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take anything he says seriously about Russia? When he lied to the media, he lied to the public about the
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Russia collusion hoax. And he lied to Congress. He was investigated or he testified in front of the
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House Intelligence Committee in 2017 as part of their investigation. And he said falsely that Michael
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Flynn was colluding with the Russians and that Donald Trump had been colluding with the Russians. Now, he can't
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be prosecuted for perjury because he was giving his opinion to Representative Adam Schiff. But still, he said
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something false to Congress about this. He lied to everybody. Now, I accept that the administration's policy
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of isolating Russia might be in the right direction. I happen to agree that we should support Ukraine against
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Russia in general. But how can we trust anything this particular individual is telling us about this?
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Because he has lied repeatedly about supposed collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
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And that's important because those lies created mistrust and blocked relations between the U.S. and Russia
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in a way that might have led to the present crisis. We are not, if you'll notice, we're not even
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participating in any diplomacy, at least openly with Russia. We're leaving that up to other people.
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Biden, who said diplomacy is back. Namely China.
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Right. But, you know, we're leaving it to the Ukrainians themselves or the Israelis or the Turks
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or the Chinese or whoever. And Biden's big thing was diplomacy is back, but he's not doing any
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diplomacy. And maybe he can't do diplomacy with Russia because he has spent the last several years,
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along with the rest of his party, demonizing Russia for partisan domestic political reasons.
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When, if they had not told this lie, if they had not created this hoax, we could actually have the
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possibility of some sort of diplomatic settlement of this thing that wouldn't involve billions and
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billions of dollars that would bring this war to a close without costing thousands more lives. I
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mean, I'm a very hawkish person in terms of my foreign policy orientation. I don't see a way,
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even with Ukraine holding out as bravely as they have done, I don't see a way to bring this to a
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conclusion without some kind of agreement, because you're dealing with a nuclear power controlled by an
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unpredictable individual. I don't think that's a situation in which you can really go on the
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offensive with any great degree of confidence. This president has been in office since January,
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almost a year and a half ago. And no one's taking into account what the policies were of this
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administration in the months, the year leading up to this invasion of Ukraine. I am not so easily
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persuaded that we need to be spending in excess of what will be over 50 billion dollars on military
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equipment and whatever other aid is provided for in the legislation. But I'm also deeply troubled by
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Zelensky saying to the president's emissaries, do not, do not return here with empty hands. It wasn't a
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request. It was a demand. And given the checkered history of both men, that's deeply troubling.
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And again, I see very few following up on that and comparing this aid of the United States and the
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positioning of our troops in Poland, the eastern flank, and the suggestion that we're going to send
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more trips to Somalia. This is a more than just a reversal of Trump doctrine.
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Yeah. Well, we really don't know why the administration is pursuing the course that
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they are. There seems to be no reason. And they're not explaining what their goals are in Ukraine. So
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they're going to Congress and asking for 40 billion dollars and Congress is giving it to them, it looks
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like. Yeah. But they're not saying what the strategy is. And really, whenever you're going to spend that
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kind of money, I mean, if this were a business, the board would say to the CEO, well, what are the
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other alternatives to spending this money? I mean, can you do the same thing? Can you get to the same
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outcome more cheaply? What's the cost going to be if we sit down at the table with the Russians and say,
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all right, let's negotiate an end to this border dispute. And you end the war and Ukraine
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makes some concessions and then we call it a day. And then we don't have to spend 40 billion
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dollars and continue the war that's displaced so many millions of people and cause such trouble to
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the rest of the world. And, you know, there really is a risk here of the deployment of technical
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nuclear weapons by the Russians. They've said as much essentially. And we have to be wary of that.
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You know, this is not just science fiction. This is not out of a comic book, graphic novel or
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something. This is the real world. And the Biden people seem to think that they've got the upper
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hand. But the Trump card, no pun intended, is really still held by Putin in the form of
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nuclear retaliation. And he may not attack the U.S. homeland. He may not attack a NATO member.
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But what would he do? What would we do if he attacked Ukraine? I mean, we're not treaty bound
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to defend Ukraine. And would we really want to risk a more global nuclear confrontation by retaliating?
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So so so I don't think that the Biden people have thought this through.
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Oh, I'm I'm afraid that this is one of the few things they may have thought through because they
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have been prodding Putin from the time Biden got in office and the conversations began with Zelensky
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talking about bringing him into NATO, expanding NATO. And this went on and the talks got greater energy as
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we approach the fall of 2021. And and it makes no sense because that is a red line. It has always
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been a red line for Vladimir Putin. The expansion, the military expansion of the NATO defensive alliance
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is a an absolute no. And it will be met with a response. He's said as much. He's reiterated as
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much. He is accepting Sweden and Finland so long as there is no military expansion of NATO power
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in those two countries. And that's you know, those are two of the better run countries in the
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in Europe. They're small, but they're they're mighty. It's so it's it's troubling to me and I think to
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many others that Biden sometimes you have to take what something is at face value. And this at face
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value looks like an effort by the Biden administration to provoke the results that we witnessed on February
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24th. Your thoughts? Well, I think there's also domestic politics involved here. I think that
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for Biden and the Democrats and much of the foreign policy establishment, they see an opportunity to
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punish Vladimir Putin for what they still view as the stolen election of 2016. And there's a bit of
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vengeance at work, I think psychologically, at least I don't know if that's guiding their foreign policy
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decisions, but it does seem to be the sentiment that they share. I don't know that they want to
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provoke Russia into a war, but you have to consider that possibility that they want to provoke Russia to
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act so that they have a pretext for acting in an even more overtly offensive manner. Because something
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like a no fly zone, for example, would involve having to attack Russian assets on the ground in Belarus,
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which is an ally of Russia and possibly within Russia itself. So they don't want to do that and
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risk provoking a much larger confrontation unless they can say, well, we were attacked first. So I
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think they're daring Putin to do something. Look, maybe they also just feel that there's a win to be
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had here in a broader strategic sense. Maybe they're enticed by the idea of removing a major geopolitical
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rival or at least a geopolitical problem from the map. And then they can pivot to China and focus on
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China. I mean, that's probably the most charitable reading of it. But I also think that they're not
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being clear with the public. When you're asking the American people to make sacrifices on the order
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of $40 billion, which is far more than we spend securing our southern border. Okay, I don't think
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the two are mutually exclusive. But how do you say we don't have money for a border wall? And it's a
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waste of money to build a wall on the border when you're sending many times that amount to defend
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someone else's border? It doesn't make any sense to me.
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No, but the Biden administration, again, in one of its few instances of being forthright,
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has said the reason. They intend to flood this country with illegal immigrants across that southern
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border. That's the reason they do not have a wall. They are pulled back the border patrol and that they
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have suspended effectively the operations of immigration and custom enforcement. It's, again,
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it's straightforward. And as you know, this administration isn't straightforward about
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many things. It's been absolutely forthright on those matters. Let's look at something that's a
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very interesting contrast. Vladimir Putin, before the war began, used migrant flows across the borders
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of Eastern Europe to try to disrupt the societies and the governments of his rivals in that region.
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He was deliberately funneling migrants into Europe across the Eastern European frontier.
00:27:37.860
And we spoke out against that. Now, how do we speak out against Putin using migration,
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essentially to invade his neighbors and disrupt their lives when we won't stop the caravans and the
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millions of people who are pouring across our borders, shepherded by the cartels? Why are we so
00:27:59.920
sensitive to Putin sending migrants across the border, but we are not doing anything about the
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migrants coming into our country? And part of it is class, if I can use a Marxist term, because
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the people making these policies live very far away from the communities that are impacted by the
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rapid influx of migrants. If you live in a nice apartment in Northwest Washington, D.C., a nice
00:28:22.060
condo or whatever, maybe you don't have to deal with this. But if you live in a border county in Texas,
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you do. The other possibility is just they think that this is part of a broader political strategy.
00:28:34.060
And that's very controversial to say right now. And there's a sort of white supremacist,
00:28:38.380
racist version of this, which I think is abhorrent and discredited and not to be taken seriously. But
00:28:43.220
Democrats do resist any effort to distinguish between legal immigrants on the one hand and
00:28:51.300
illegal aliens on the other. When the Trump administration tried to count residents and to
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exclude those who were illegally in the country in the census, Democrats went to court over that.
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They did not want the illegal population to be excluded from the census count because they wanted
00:29:08.220
to make sure they had enough congressional seats in the blue states where there are large numbers
00:29:12.760
of illegal residents such as California. So the good offices of the of the blue judges
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that they put put the case in front of, they won and without any basis for appeal.
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It is just the same stratagem that you would expect. And it goes on. Their simple answers are
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straightforward. And and I don't understand why people have any doubt about the purpose of the of
00:29:46.220
the left, the purpose of the Democrat Party. And and the real reason that Trump drove in my judgment,
00:29:55.420
drove drove drove the left not is because he was not a racist. He was absolutely securing the border.
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And he was working to find ways to do it, irrespective of the rhetoric, the rationale or rationalizations
00:30:13.120
of the left. It drove them utterly nuts. You don't agree?
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No, you know, this is this is something we see in our politics, that they're manipulating the
00:30:24.540
immigration issue. You know, when John McCain ran for president back in 2007, 2008, his chief of staff,
00:30:32.020
Mark Salter, wrote a piece in Real Clear Politics in which he pointed out that Barack Obama, who was then
00:30:38.660
the likely Democratic nominee for president, Barack Obama had torpedoed on several occasions
00:30:45.240
bipartisan efforts to create a comprehensive immigration reform. So when it when it looked
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like it was going to happen and the Bush administration supported it and the Democrats in
00:30:56.460
Congress supported it, Barack Obama found a reason, even though he was supposed to be working on this
00:31:00.520
deal, he found a reason to undermine it. And the reasons kept changing. The unions didn't want it or
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so forth. But essentially, the reason was always the same underlying reason, which is that Obama preferred
00:31:10.000
to have immigration as an election issue, rather than solving the problem. Democrats don't want to
00:31:15.120
solve the problem. If they wanted to solve the problem, it could have been done a long time ago.
00:31:20.120
And whenever the prospect of finding a bipartisan path arose, even under the Trump administration,
00:31:29.360
Democrats rejected it. Remember, in his second State of the Union, it was actually technically his
00:31:34.360
first State of the Union, but his second address to Congress, Trump outlined the four pillars
00:31:38.480
of immigration reform. And Democrats immediately rejected those pillars because they did not want
00:31:44.040
anything that would prevent future chain migration. That was the big sticking point. Trump wanted
00:31:49.500
immigration based on skills. Democrats want to continue the family based chain migration system,
00:31:54.720
which has been so abused and has allowed so many people to come in in such an uncontrolled way.
00:32:00.000
So it was a nonstarter for Democrats, but that's what the country wants. I mean, the country wants a
00:32:05.060
solution to this problem. And Democrats, well, look, they're going to pay a price in November,
00:32:08.460
but they're going to try to get as many people across the border before November as they can.
00:32:12.800
You know, and this was about Title 42. The fact of the matter is, with or without Title 42,
00:32:19.540
the Biden administration will figure out a way to bring in the estimated 7 to 8 million more
00:32:25.520
illegal immigrants over the course of the next year. It's that someone has come up with a number
00:32:30.920
that is critical mass, if you will. And I truly believe that. To what purpose? You know, we have a lot
00:32:39.340
of theories on that, but none of them are in the interest of the United States.
00:32:44.760
Well, I agree with you there. And Democrats have yet to explain why it is that they won't
00:32:49.660
stop the influx over the border. Now, there are possible reasons, but these are all just
00:32:56.340
conjectural. One is the political motive you and I have discussed. Another is just sentiment. They
00:33:01.540
want to be nice. They don't like enforcing laws in any context. So maybe they don't want to do the
00:33:06.360
hard work, the sometimes difficult work of enforcing immigration law. And they just leave us out there
00:33:13.020
to speculate because they don't explain it to the public. Why are you allowing this to happen? All they
00:33:17.740
can do is say, well, Donald Trump's policy was inhumane or whatever that means. But it's not humane or
00:33:22.480
compassionate to allow the cartels to smuggle these people, to abuse these people, to leave them
00:33:28.340
abandoned in rivers or in deserts to die. That's not compassionate. What's compassionate is an orderly
00:33:34.020
immigration system. And Democrats don't want that. But they don't explain that. And I think, look,
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I do think there are going to be political consequences, but there are also societal consequences
00:33:43.020
because they're telling us that if you even challenge that policy, then you're a racist who
00:33:48.120
supports mass murder and so forth. And, you know, it's just toxic. And that the accusation
00:33:57.240
has become, I think, significantly less effective over time. It's a bit diluted. And people have
00:34:05.560
the experience of knowing what is racism and what is not. And this is this Democrat party is now so
00:34:13.020
obvious, obviously a party of division and racial identity at its core that I personally believe that
00:34:24.100
the Democrat party will suffer, as you said, in November for a lot of reasons, but certainly large
00:34:29.860
among them. Is this now, I think, obvious to most judgment of the party as being really a retrograde
00:34:41.440
party? It styles itself as progressive. It's retrograde. And it's disgusting. And it's got all
00:34:52.420
sorts of these Marxist elements, whether we're talking about ESG, CRT, EID, you know, and corporate
00:35:01.420
America is in league with it. And I think, again, they're on the wrong side of history. They are working
00:35:08.280
between parents and their children. They are trying to divide by race. It's really a, the Democratic
00:35:16.960
party is in shambles and they, they just don't know it. Yeah, they really are. And they don't
00:35:23.260
have much to stand on. So you're going to hear a lot of hysteria and look, I'm surprised and somewhat
00:35:27.640
impressed by how organized the hysteria is. I mean, they're really out there getting their message out,
00:35:32.340
trying to scare as many people as possible. I just don't know that the average American voter is
00:35:35.820
listening anymore. I think people are looking at the gas price. People are worried about their
00:35:40.060
household budgets. People are looking at their stock market portfolios, tanking their 401ks.
00:35:44.680
Remember Trump used to be mocked for saying the stock market was going to crash and then
00:35:47.720
Biden took office and it kept going up for a while. Well, now the headlines are all about the
00:35:52.060
stock market crashing and people are looking at their E-Trade accounts and their 401ks and they're
00:35:56.720
starting to panic. And that's a result of inflation, but the inflation is also a result of the
00:36:02.300
Biden administration's policy of spending as much money as possible. So I think that those
00:36:08.020
issues are going to dominate, but we'll have to see. It is not going to be a walk for Republicans.
00:36:11.680
It's going to be quite a battle. Oh, I hope it will be because the better the battle, the more facts
00:36:18.320
will be out in front of the American people. I hope it's as, I hope this is as aggressive of political
00:36:24.020
fight as we've had in a merry moon, because I truly believe that in the arena, truth is found in this
00:36:30.680
great Republic. And what I hate is when people try to stifle truth and pervert it, which is
00:36:38.400
a hobby for most of the left in this country. Joel, I want to say, first of all, thank you. I always
00:36:46.740
enjoy talking with you. And if we're not ending on too sweet a note, I think I should point out one
00:36:53.880
thing in case everyone's feeling jolly about the Republican Party. Remember, 40 Republican senators
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sent a letter to Biden asking for that no-fly zone that was a sure mark for war with Russia. 40
00:37:09.400
Republican senators. Don't you find that stunning, Joel?
00:37:13.200
Well, I just find it stunning that nobody thinks about the consequences and nobody asks the
00:37:19.420
questions. And again, nobody asks, is this the most cost effective way of pursuing the same goal?
00:37:27.560
What is the goal? Is your goal to get rid of Putin like Biden let slip in Warsaw? Is your goal to
00:37:33.600
reach peace? I mean, what is the goal here? And why are we throwing money at this without asking what
00:37:39.340
the goal is? I mean, look, I am all for supporting Ukraine. I think Russia ought to be condemned for
00:37:44.680
its aggression and all of that. And I would not like to see Ukraine lose this war. But I also think
00:37:50.980
that the way we should proceed is diplomacy. That's what Biden ran on. He ran on diplomacy. And instead
00:37:56.540
of that, he's just sending more weapons overseas. And if he's going to cast that as our approach,
00:38:03.420
well, I want to know what he thinks the goal is. I mean, if weapons are the means, what are the
00:38:07.560
ends? And he hasn't told us. Well, and I'm not sure that if he knew he would fully comprehend
00:38:13.920
sufficiently to convey that meaning. Joel, we always give our guests the last word. Your concluding
00:38:23.140
thoughts, if you will. Well, I think the world is in a tough spot at the moment. We're all going to
00:38:29.100
go through a pretty rough patch and it's not going to be solved after November. I think simply having
00:38:34.100
control of Congress if Republicans manage to win is not going to be enough. But I do think we should
00:38:38.900
welcome an open contest in the 2024 primary. I do think President Trump is going to run. I think
00:38:44.820
there may be other candidates who run. But I think what we're learning through these early primaries
00:38:48.960
so far in the midterm elections is that more voices don't actually hurt the Republican Party or
00:38:57.460
the Democratic Party. More voices are good for the process. And I think that we should welcome
00:39:02.280
the contest and debate that's coming. But it becomes more and more urgent with every day.
00:39:07.120
So we all have to take it more seriously because this is really turning out to be a crucial moment.
00:39:13.000
Can we save our country from going over the cliff? I was mocked when I predicted that Joe Biden would
00:39:17.640
be the most left-wing president in American history. And here we are. So this is really important.
00:39:23.020
And right you are. It's good to talk so long with a fellow who is right so often. Joel Pollack,
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Breitbart, editor-at-large, thanks so much for being with us. We appreciate it.
00:39:38.860
Joel Pollack, great American. Coming up this week, I'll be sitting down with President Donald J. Trump.
00:39:45.480
That's Wednesday the 25th. I'll be talking with President Trump. I'm really looking forward to that,
00:39:50.680
as you might guess. And with us Tuesday, Steve Bannon will be here. Our good friend will be
00:39:55.380
with us to talk about how much trouble this country is in. We'll have Steve's view on everything from
00:40:00.620
runaway inflation to this disastrous administration. Joining us here tomorrow will be General Michael
00:40:06.440
Flynn. General Flynn is preparing lawsuits against those who've wronged him and this country,
00:40:11.740
who have inflicted great pain on the general and his family, and for whom it appears there will now be
00:40:17.920
an accounting. That's General Michael Flynn here tomorrow. Please be with us. Till then,