The Great America Show - SWAMP RATS： 71 REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST THE BIDEN⧸MCCARTHY DEBT CEILING DEAL

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00:00:30.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show. Welcome. Good to have you

00:00:34.660 with us. After over a month of playing politics, FBI Director Christopher Wray admitted the existence

00:00:41.480 of that form Chairman James Comer subpoenaed. The form, an FD-1023, is a formal confidential

00:00:49.920 whistleblower complaint made with the FBI, and until yesterday, Director Wray had denied its existence.

00:00:57.700 That was when Chairman Comer started introducing legislation to hold Wray in contempt of Congress.

00:01:05.480 The form allegedly links President Joe Biden to a $5 million bribery scheme. Comer met with

00:01:12.260 Director Wray in a scheduled meeting in which Wray confirmed the FBI had that document in its

00:01:19.240 possession but would not turn it over to Congress, as Comer's subpoena would require. Comer released

00:01:26.720 the following statement following that meeting, quote, while Director Wray, after a month of

00:01:32.720 refusing to even acknowledge the form existed, has offered to allow us to see the documents in

00:01:38.780 person at FBI headquarters. We've been clear that anything short of producing these documents to

00:01:44.820 the House Oversight Committee is not in compliance with the subpoena. If the FBI fails to hand over the

00:01:51.920 form as required by the subpoena, the House Oversight Committee will begin contempt of Congress proceedings.

00:01:58.880 Congressman Comer holding the line and holding it strong, and I commend him for his great work so far.

00:02:05.640 While Comer is doing the Lord's work, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy seemingly doing the bidding of the

00:02:11.560 Marxist Dems. McCarthy yesterday lobbying the votes of 149 rhinos in the House to vote for his backroom

00:02:20.240 budget deal with Hakeem Jeffries. The budget bill now sits in the Senate awaiting a vote that is certain

00:02:26.600 to pass, and then on to President Biden, where he will, likely with the stroke of a pen, have a blank

00:02:33.340 check to spend as he likes. One bill that isn't making it past the Senate this week, part of Biden's

00:02:39.200 radical spending agenda. It's the Student Debt Relief Program. The Senate voting yesterday to overturn

00:02:46.180 the program with a 52 to 46 vote, with Dem Senators Manchin, Sinema, and Tester all voting in favor of

00:02:55.500 shutting down the giveaway. Joining us now is one of my favorite congressmen, and he's doing a lot for

00:03:01.580 the great state of Montana and this great country. Congressman Matt Rosendale, welcome back to The Great

00:03:07.540 America Show. We appreciate it. The Freedom Caucus promising a reckoning now over the McCarthy deal.

00:03:13.280 What does that actually mean? A lot of folks may remember the first week of January when we began

00:03:19.740 this congress that there was a big outpouring of opposition to the rules package, and that's what

00:03:27.720 caused the big challenge that first week of January. And what we did was make sure that we argued that each

00:03:34.320 member of Congress would have an equal say to what was going to take place. And that is called an open

00:03:41.380 rule, where the legislation is brought down to the floor. It is debated out in the public square,

00:03:47.040 and everybody can propose amendments, and they can have their peace, you know, their moment to speak

00:03:53.460 to the bill. And that's the way it is supposed to be handled. Instead of this swampy version, which

00:04:00.320 things are decided behind closed doors, and then the legislation is brought out to the floor,

00:04:06.900 and you're either given the ability to vote yes or no on it, and that's it. That's your option.

00:04:10.560 What we want to do is break that process up.

00:04:14.300 And that decision, Tom Massey did not go with the other two Freedom Caucus members and the Rules

00:04:22.940 Committee in the earlier vote. What do you make of that, and what are the chances that he will side

00:04:29.600 with the conservatives? That's why he was put there. McCarthy agreed to put three conservatives on

00:04:36.740 that Rules Committee, a nine to five advantage over the Democrats on that committee. But Massey,

00:04:46.900 at this point, looks like he's going to stay with the Dems.

00:04:52.680 I think everybody really needs to reflect back, though, on the Limit Save and Grow Act, Lou, that we did

00:04:59.760 work together on to demonstrate how Congress is supposed to work. And we collaborated, and we created this

00:05:07.180 document that froze spending, that clawed back the reckless spending that the Biden administration had put

00:05:13.080 forward that hadn't actually been spent yet. It raised the debt ceiling to March 31st or by $1.5

00:05:20.540 trillion, and then also had a component that helped expand the economy by developing our domestic 0.69

00:05:28.980 resources, whether that be our oil and gas or our critical minerals through streamlining and permitting

00:05:34.820 to make sure that we had export facilities that were going to be permitted. I mean, it was a really,

00:05:41.420 really good package. This package just simply doesn't do that. They're going to tell you, you know,

00:05:47.200 oh, it doesn't spend non-discretionary spending, mandatory spending, we've reduced this, we've reduced

00:05:53.080 that. You and I both have been around long enough to know that just let's reduce it down to the basic

00:05:58.660 elements. The federal government under this package will spend more money next year than it spent this

00:06:05.740 year. That's not a freeze in my book. Calling a decrease in the increase, that is not freezing

00:06:14.780 spending. It's just not. All of the leverage to be able to pass the appropriation bills in the next 30

00:06:23.620 to 60 days will be gone because this package also includes a provision, not for a dollar amount,

00:06:31.260 because they know that the dollar amount is so large that people wouldn't support it. So what

00:06:37.340 they did is put a date in, Lil, to January of 25 to make sure that nobody has to have a discussion

00:06:44.040 about the debt ceiling during an election year. God forbid, okay? But if you push it to January 25,

00:06:51.440 we know that it's going to be at a minimal $4 trillion debt increase, piled up on the nearly $32

00:06:59.860 trillion that exists right now. And again, this is just completely unacceptable.

00:07:05.960 Let me see if you agree with my distillation of all of this. Speaker McCarthy went over to the White

00:07:14.260 House and said, we're going to talk about this debt ceiling, and we're going to negotiate this

00:07:20.480 strenuously. And we're going to give you a trillion and a half dollars, but you do have to cut some

00:07:28.420 spending. And the White House said back, well, you know, one and a half trillion sounds good,

00:07:34.900 but $4 trillion is even better. But don't, you can whisper that part. And in fact, it is a debt

00:07:42.680 ceiling discussion we're having here. But you know what? Let's just get rid of the debt ceiling for a

00:07:48.780 year and a half so we don't have to talk about it. Don't have, either party have to deal with it in

00:07:53.440 the 2024 elections. And McCarthy said, you know, is he, and I'm quoting him, the White House,

00:08:02.080 the Biden White House is smart. And that was the conclusion. I mean, they wiped the floor.

00:08:07.440 I said earlier, well, I said the first of the week. McCarthy did not go to a debt ceiling negotiation.

00:08:17.180 He went to a horse whipping. And he's walking around ballyhooing. I understand that a bunch of, 0.74

00:08:23.420 Republicans applauded him, gave him a standing ovation when he descended down from the mount,

00:08:28.960 that is 1600 Pennsylvania. This is ridiculous. And it's, and to see some of the best leaders in

00:08:36.840 the Republican conference hailing this, are you, I mean, they're starting to act like Marxist dims.

00:08:43.280 They're playing pretend. They're play acting. And it's incredible to watch.

00:08:48.600 Yeah. And I will tell you when, when I hear these people reciting, uh, what this piece of

00:08:53.940 legislation contains, it's just a complete misrepresentation. It truly is. And then they

00:08:58.860 say there's absolutely nothing, nothing in this bill for the Democrats. They didn't get anything

00:09:05.160 they wanted to. Lou, how is it that, that, uh, whatever number, 175 Democrats are going to vote

00:09:12.920 for this bill. If there's nothing in there for Democrats, if they didn't achieve anything else,

00:09:17.560 I will tell you what is in there. $1.2 trillion of spending on new green deal projects, which we know

00:09:24.520 are, are owned by huge Democrat donors. That is a very big portion of this. We didn't eliminate that.

00:09:32.300 We didn't eliminate the $80 billion for the 87,000 IRS agents. Uh, they're going to talk about all these

00:09:39.460 little nibbles and bites that they did on each one of these provisions, but they did not eliminate

00:09:44.980 them. And you're still going to have $80 billion for the 87,000 IRS agents. I think they put 1.8

00:09:54.220 billion that you can be assured actually came out of that. It's a fraction, 98% of it's still there.

00:09:59.620 The, uh, $400 billion that, uh, was put aside for the student loan redistribution program. That's

00:10:08.020 going to allow you and I to pay for student loans for who knows who, okay. People that took the loans

00:10:15.140 out and don't want to pay them off. All of these provisions were stripped out of this. And by raising

00:10:21.300 the debt ceiling by that amount, Lou, what happens is there's, it strips the ability for the appropriations

00:10:27.380 committee to do their work and develop those 12 bills and credibly send them over to the Senate

00:10:35.140 because there won't be any enforcement mechanism. They have this huge debt ceiling now. And so I would

00:10:41.860 ask your viewers to mark this date down and watch because what will happen then is the Senate will

00:10:46.900 develop a great big omnibus bill like they did last December. It will be several thousand pages. It will

00:10:53.380 contain several thousand earmarks for special projects for them. And that will be sent back

00:10:59.060 over to the house. And then we will be told again, oh my gosh, you have to pass this or else the sky is

00:11:05.540 going to fall. We're talking with Congressman Matt Rosendale. We're coming right back and we're going to

00:11:12.020 go further into what in the world happened in those discussions between the White House and the Speaker.

00:11:19.860 How did a debt ceiling discussion end up in dismissal of the debt ceiling? Is that negotiating or is that

00:11:30.180 capitulating? We'll take that up with Matt Rosendale, Congressman, great representative of the great

00:11:36.340 state of Montana. We'll be right back. Stay with us.

00:11:40.020 We're back talking with Congressman Matt Rosendale. We're talking about what this country has come to

00:11:53.060 and just exactly how politics operate in the swamp. This debt ceiling deal, I hesitate to call it that,

00:12:02.980 Congressman, because they suspended the debt ceiling. We'll call it the spending bill because that's what

00:12:09.140 they're doing. How will the Republicans even campaign? They've been talking about 87,000 new IRS agents

00:12:17.700 that Biden got, $80 billion for the IRS. And Lord, look at what happened. They're further weaponizing the

00:12:27.860 IRS. How could this be? They absolutely are. And look, that's why I have dubbed this the Fiscal

00:12:34.180 Irresponsibility Act. Okay. That's what it is. The Fiscal Irresponsibility Act. And quite frankly,

00:12:41.220 Lou, this is an insult to the American people. To go in and try and say that this is a good deal for

00:12:48.900 the American people is disingenuous as both at best and very dishonest at worst. It truly is.

00:12:58.900 This is not a good deal. As you said, it raises the cap to a date certain. We know that that's

00:13:05.700 going to be about $4 trillion. All of the provisions that we fought so hard for to make sure that we

00:13:12.020 were able to get inserted into the Limit Save and Grow Act, they've all been removed from it. And any of the

00:13:19.060 implementation tools that were there to make sure that we could force any kind of curb in spending

00:13:27.540 to change the trajectory for the deficit, which then continues to add to the debt, all of those tools,

00:13:35.620 enforcement tools and mechanisms were all removed. So again, when you hear about PAYGO, oh my gosh,

00:13:42.660 we've got these PAYGO provisions in there, but it gives the authority to the Biden administration or

00:13:49.220 the OMB that's been appointed under the Biden administration. So all of those things are going

00:13:54.420 to be waived and allow the spending to continue. This is the swamp at its worst. This is the swamp

00:14:00.740 on full display. It's just incredible to watch this process and to watch this result. Congressman Nancy

00:14:11.060 Mace, I think I've got this right. She's the one who said that McCarthy got whipped by a fellow who

00:14:18.340 can't even find his pants. Talking about Joe Biden, of course. I can't find a thing wrong with her 1.00

00:14:24.100 construction of the situation.

00:14:25.620 No. And you know something, the process was flawed from the beginning. This is going back

00:14:32.580 to the old way of doing business here in the swamp. And that is what we have been fighting against this

00:14:39.060 Congress saying, no, we are not going to accept business as usual. We're not going to just kick

00:14:44.420 the can down the road. We want to see regular order in Congress. We want to have the members

00:14:50.260 participate. I sat down with a lot of the members on the other side of the aisle and said, look,

00:14:56.580 I am more than glad to openly debate you on any of these issues because I know that when we do that,

00:15:04.820 that free markets win. Personal responsibility wins. Limited government wins. I want to empower the

00:15:14.740 people. And so I know that my arguments absolutely will win out. And that's all we want to have.

00:15:21.220 Let's work these things out on the floor instead of having some transaction, some deal that has been

00:15:27.860 negotiated behind closed doors without the participation of Congress and then brought to us

00:15:34.180 on a platter and say, you need to vote up or down on this transaction. We are not going to accept

00:15:41.140 business as usual. This is not what the people of Montana sent me up here to do. And when we get to

00:15:48.580 the discussion about how long this debt ceiling has been extended out to, Lou,

00:15:53.700 oh my gosh, there are so many people that are horrified to have this discussion during the election

00:16:00.180 year. So it's basically like you can only work in Washington on odd numbered years and on even

00:16:07.380 numbered years where there's elections, they don't want to take difficult votes. Every vote that we take

00:16:13.060 up here is substantive. It's difficult or it wouldn't have risen to this level. And I am tired of hearing

00:16:19.940 discussions about protecting people during election years. Do what you promised to your voters that you

00:16:26.100 were going to do. Yeah, without question. And I commend you highly for that viewpoint. I wish that

00:16:34.660 were shared by all of the, every rhino in Congress. And by the way, that's a very large number I should point out

00:16:43.060 as well. You know, Russ Boat, he is the former OMB director who worked very hard on much of the, of this

00:16:52.340 proposal for the Limit, Save and Grow legislation, as you well know. The previous legislation, not the one we're

00:16:59.860 looking at now. Right. I'm sure Russ, Russ wants somebody to clarify that so he doesn't get tagged

00:17:05.380 with this monstrosity. Well, he's helping himself because he took Thomas Massey to the, you know,

00:17:11.700 to the woodshed. Inexplicably, Massey going with the Democrats and then having the temerity to say

00:17:20.820 that he didn't feel he should vote his ideology, but some rather larger issue scope ideal that

00:17:31.140 sounded awfully like a Marxist dim talking. This is craziness. How in the world, and I have to ask you

00:17:38.540 this because he was supposed to be there representing the conservatives. And that was the deal that

00:17:44.500 Speaker McCarthy made. This man wants to call himself a libertarian. I think he is absolutely

00:17:50.800 abjectly vacant. He is missing an action and coming up with nonsense and nonsense and gibberish

00:18:00.640 to rationalize it. So I learned a long time ago, Lou, that I can control one vote. And that's what

00:18:08.100 I'm responsible for. And I talk to people, but I just share the facts as I see them. And everybody has

00:18:16.420 to own their own vote. I will own my votes. I know what I promised the people. What I will tell you is

00:18:22.140 that folks that are here too long, and they make this job their career, it is my opinion that their votes

00:18:32.940 become tainted. This is not my career. I had a highly successful career before I ran for public office. And

00:18:39.340 this is my turn to do public service. No different than just a week ago when I stood up at a press

00:18:47.100 conference for my stock act. Okay. That's a piece of legislation that bans members of Congress and their

00:18:54.840 spouses from buying individual stocks. And I said very clearly then, and I'll say it again, when you run

00:19:01.020 for public office, you need to make a decision if you're going to be a public servant or a profiteer.

00:19:06.840 And once you make a decision that this is your career, then your votes become tainted because

00:19:13.120 you then start making considerations about how it is going to impact your longevity, your tenure,

00:19:19.620 how long you get to stay here. Mine doesn't. One of the highest compliments that I received

00:19:24.220 recently was from the political science professor in one of the colleges back in Montana. And he meant

00:19:31.840 it as a, quite frankly, as an insult. He said, Rosendale's problem is that he votes his

00:19:36.640 convictions without regard for the political fallout. Thank you very much.

00:19:43.420 And thank you indeed for voting your convictions, despite what that fool of a professor had to say

00:19:50.840 about it. We appreciate it. It's good to know that university professors in Montana are about the same

00:19:56.700 as the university professors in New York state. Unfortunately. Exactly. We're coming right back

00:20:03.660 with Congressman Matt Rosendale. Stay with us right after these messages. We return.

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00:21:32.860 We're back with Congressman Matt Rosendale. And Congressman, I want to take up something you

00:21:37.540 said about restoring regular order. I was among, and I suppose most people who pay, most Americans who pay

00:21:44.780 some attention to Congress and the Senate, our government in particular, of course, everybody

00:21:53.000 pays attention to the White House because it's led by such dynamic and extraordinarily talented

00:21:57.740 individuals. It's, you talked about restoring regular order. And I really thought that that was

00:22:04.860 going to be almost automatic, given the reforms that the Freedom Caucus and the Brave 20,

00:22:10.660 including yourself, of course, set up. Regular order hasn't been restored, I noticed. Your thoughts?

00:22:20.540 So that is why leadership makes such a big difference, Lou. And this is what I've been proclaiming for

00:22:27.480 quite some time. You can lay the rules package out, but if leadership wants to step in and they want to

00:22:35.140 suspend the rules, then it doesn't matter what the rules actually say. And if you have enough people

00:22:40.960 that are willing to go along with leadership because they are in fear of their position, their

00:22:48.540 chairmanship, their committee that they're serving on are willing to go along with that. Again, this is a

00:22:55.740 majority body. And when you get the majority to vote, that's where it lands. And so it makes a really,

00:23:02.100 really big difference on who is in those positions of leadership. And that's, again, why we worked so

00:23:09.840 hard to try and make these changes. While everything's going good, we empowered Kevin.

00:23:16.160 We basically put him in a position to say that he could negotiate stronger because you have strong

00:23:23.120 voices that were demanding some of these elements to be put in different pieces of legislation.

00:23:29.560 But at the end of the day, when it has to come to negotiating with the White House,

00:23:37.460 the speaker is the person who is going to make that final call. And then it's up to us if we have

00:23:45.800 regular order restored to make the modifications. But if the rules get suspended and the body goes along

00:23:53.680 with those rules being suspended, then shame on them.

00:23:58.060 Congressman Rosendale, Speaker McCarthy says he's not worried about any threat whatsoever,

00:24:03.280 despite the motion to vacate, despite all of the opposition to the deal that he and Biden

00:24:10.700 incurred on. And I had to think cynically, I suppose, but I had to think that he got a commitment

00:24:20.080 from the president and from Schumer and from Jeffries that whatever he needed, he would get.

00:24:29.040 I think that we may have just seen a bust, the busting of the Republican conference itself.

00:24:35.900 What do you think?

00:24:36.940 Well, we shall see. I think that a lot of us has gone out for the last 72 hours,

00:24:43.980 and we have tried to deliver the message to as many voters and constituents as we possibly can

00:24:50.860 across the country. Because if there is a loud enough cry to different representatives across

00:24:57.980 the nation, then we can change this. They have to contact their representative and say,

00:25:06.300 vote against the rule, vote against this piece of legislation. We have already delivered something

00:25:11.440 that was acceptable, that everyone participated in, that's going to fund government reasonably and

00:25:18.080 to reduce our spending, to save this nation. And we can still get back to that spot, Lou,

00:25:24.580 but I need your viewers to contact their representatives and demand that they vote against

00:25:30.500 the rule and to vote against this legislation.

00:25:33.320 You heard the man. Congressman Matt Rosendale, thanks so much for being with us.

00:25:38.480 We appreciate your service to the nation and the great state of Montana. Thank you, sir.

00:25:42.660 Thank you for all your work, Lou. Thanks for having me on.

00:25:45.700 That's all for us this week. Have a great weekend. Our guest here Monday will be the War Room,

00:25:51.380 Steve Bannon. We hope you will join us for that. You don't want to miss it. Until then,

00:25:56.040 thank you. God bless, and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - June 02, 2023

SWAMP RATS： 71 REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST THE BIDEN⧸MCCARTHY DEBT CEILING DEAL

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