The Great America Show - December 24, 2024


The Best Of The Great America Show： December 24, 2024


Episode Stats

Length

39 minutes

Words per Minute

184.18266

Word Count

7,190

Sentence Count

525

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

7


Summary

Andy Biggs is a member of Congress and sits on the powerful House Oversight Committee. He is no fan of Speaker Mike Johnson and has been critical of him for years. In this episode, Biggs talks about what he thinks of Speaker Johnson and what he has done in his short term as Speaker.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello everybody and welcome to the Great America Show. It's great to have you with us. Thanks so
00:00:06.680 much for joining us today. I want to start today's show by wishing you all a very Merry Christmas Eve.
00:00:12.140 I hope you are all spending your Christmas Eve and your Christmas day with your loved ones and
00:00:17.380 your family and your friends and taking it all in and reflecting on the year that was and the
00:00:22.820 year that's going to be and all that we have to be thankful for and gracious for as we enjoy this
00:00:29.180 holiday season and pray and reflect upon like I said everything that we had. Looking forward to
00:00:36.180 the new year. Speaker Mike Johnson ended this year or is ending this year as I should say.
00:00:41.920 Very rough. President Trump reportedly not happy with him and not happy with the job
00:00:46.080 that he's done of late. Most recently forcing through that omnibus bill in the 11th hour
00:00:52.600 hoping that President Trump wouldn't pick up on it or the MAGA people wouldn't pick up on what
00:00:56.900 exactly was going on. He soon learned that people are a lot smarter than he is. So it's going to be
00:01:03.460 very rough for Mike Johnson, I believe, to hold his seat now going into the new year as we expect
00:01:08.520 the elections to be held on January 3rd. Our guest today is no fan of Speaker Mike Johnson and he
00:01:15.060 happens to be a member of Congress. He's Congressman Andy Biggs and he sits on the powerful House Oversight
00:01:20.140 Committee and the powerful House Judiciary Committee. As I said, no friend of Speaker
00:01:25.280 Johnson and the deceitfulness and destruction Johnson has done in his short time as Speaker of
00:01:30.740 the House. Congressman Andy Biggs, I couldn't think of a better person to talk to about this because I
00:01:35.420 know you would have been the first person Lou would have called if Lou were here doing the show
00:01:39.560 today. So I had no choice but to call Congressman Andy Biggs. Congressman, two days ago we saw Mike
00:01:45.540 Johnson try to jam through, we'll call it 1,500 pages, a little bit more than 1,500 pages. We'll
00:01:50.460 call it 1,500 pages to give him the benefit of the doubt with the glossary and all that good stuff.
00:01:54.920 For the average person, Congressman, it takes about 40 hours to read the 1,500 pages. If you're getting
00:02:00.260 16 hours of sleep a night, it'll take you about two and a half days. If you're on the slower side
00:02:04.140 of reading, it's probably going to take you about four to six days. Yeah, Johnson wanted to push this
00:02:08.020 thing down everyone's throats, get it done, get it done fast, not let anybody realize what's going on.
00:02:13.280 But as you and I were talking before, I think the new guard picked up on it very quickly. Some of
00:02:19.900 those new members you got, including yourself, who's not a new member, but have just been tired
00:02:23.740 of it. Your thoughts on Mike Johnson, I mean, not starting out too well. Yeah, this is a problem.
00:02:31.700 Look, if it wasn't for the Freedom Caucus, you wouldn't have had the 72-hour time to read this. And
00:02:39.340 quite frankly, the 72-hour rule that's an official rule, he's supposed to follow it.
00:02:46.880 Because we followed it this time, because the Freedom Caucus was pushing on it,
00:02:52.220 that's why that bill fell apart, right? Because the more people looked at it, the more they're like,
00:02:57.320 man, this stinks. This is bad. You know, you got E15 in your gas car. You got RFK stadium issues. You got
00:03:07.680 Congress getting special bennies. You know, I mean, all of these things needed time to come to the
00:03:17.640 surface. And Speaker Johnson was not going to do that. And I get it because, you know, you didn't
00:03:25.900 want the daylight on it, right? I mean, so that's the issue. So I was not pleased with the process.
00:03:36.520 But, you know, the process didn't start there. Let's just be frank. We've known, and Speaker
00:03:42.400 Johnson has known for a year, this day would be coming. And he said we would never do a December
00:03:47.960 Omni again. And we would do the 12 bills. Well, guess what you could have done? After you did the
00:03:55.100 September 30th CR, why didn't you just redo the, resend the Senate, the appropriations bills?
00:04:04.140 Why didn't you do that? Right. And so this is a failure on the part of the Speaker.
00:04:08.020 You know, it's, you'd mentioned some aspects about what he wouldn't do. He also told us
00:04:12.260 some time, actually many times he told us he wouldn't do any sort of CR budget if it didn't
00:04:17.060 include anything border. As you pointed out, the provisions in this 1,500 plus pages were
00:04:22.120 things that would have stopped RFK Jr. when he becomes Secretary of HHS from doing his job
00:04:28.320 investigating vaccines. The other provision that was very interesting was they let Congress block
00:04:34.780 subpoenas for House data, including emails, potentially preventing any investigation into
00:04:38.920 the January 6th committee. Now, we spoke about this when Kevin McCarthy, you spoke about it with Lou,
00:04:45.680 when Kevin McCarthy was getting ousted about just not being transparent and lying to the people.
00:04:50.160 This seems far worse than what Kevin McCarthy did. And Kevin McCarthy got kicked out of there like a
00:04:55.480 dog.
00:04:56.760 Yeah. Look, look, when you want to protect the J6 committee, there's a huge problem.
00:05:05.780 Look, the investigations of regular committees in Congress have actually now referred her to the
00:05:13.660 incoming AG for potential investigation. Right. I mean, this is this is serious.
00:05:18.360 So it is bad stuff that's in this bill. And to dance around it the way the speaker has done,
00:05:26.740 it's just it's intolerable. Right. It's just absolutely intolerable.
00:05:32.220 Do you have confidence? Does your your your leadership in the House Freedom Caucus
00:05:35.420 have confidence in Mike Johnson to continue to lead this conference? Because it seems like
00:05:40.460 President Trump went right over Mike Johnson, sent J.D. Vanson and said, get the job done.
00:05:45.840 And lo and behold, chief negotiator, no negotiator, President Trump got the thing done.
00:05:52.000 Well, I'm not sure that I can speak for the leadership, but I'm not sure that I have a much
00:05:58.540 confidence left. But I will just tell you, let me let me tell you what's what's what's happened here
00:06:04.480 is. This bill is the successor bill. After much talk, it basically is just a slightly smaller version
00:06:13.480 of the Omni that is such a stinker. You still have one hundred and ten billion dollars of the
00:06:20.140 disaster relief with no with no pay for it all. Right.
00:06:25.900 You still have. I mean, that by the way, that's it. That's a Democrat.
00:06:32.620 Deal. And then the second thing is, you've got this this debt relief package that where you where
00:06:38.440 you lift the cap for another two years, which will add probably anywhere.
00:06:44.860 Let's just be generous and say four to five and a half trillion dollars to the
00:06:48.520 the national debt. I how do that? Why are the Republicans, Congressman?
00:06:52.960 And you're obviously not one of them, but why are they so terrified to shut down the government?
00:06:58.020 President Trump just won an election. House members, you guys aren't up for reelection
00:07:01.720 another two years. By the time it came time to vote. And I'm not saying the voters would
00:07:05.640 remember or not remember. And I'm not trying to be deceptive in any way.
00:07:08.780 But so much time is going to pass between now and the next election when you guys will be able
00:07:13.720 to get so presumably, hopefully so much good stuff done that it's not going to matter.
00:07:18.320 The voters aren't going to care that you guys shut down the government for a little bit.
00:07:21.920 Now is the right time. President Trump comes into office one month to the day, Congressman.
00:07:27.120 Why are they so terrified to just win this fight once and for all?
00:07:31.440 Because they've never won it. Look, your point is exactly right.
00:07:36.480 My position was if you're not going to give us the approach bills, then let's shut it down
00:07:40.660 until we get a new Congress on January 3rd. Why not? I mean, that's two days away, roughly.
00:07:46.120 Right. And and and everybody's going to be paid on the first or second.
00:07:50.700 So we come back in the third. Let's go. Let's go. Let's let's make sure everything gets done.
00:07:56.260 Why not? And and the I don't know why they're so afraid, because the bottom line is.
00:08:03.320 Most Americans don't vote you in or out of office on whether you had a lapse in spending,
00:08:10.780 because, as you know, a lapse in spending doesn't mean it's a government shutdown.
00:08:15.520 I mean, people call it a government shutdown, but it's a lapse in spending.
00:08:18.500 All most of these agencies have loads of money still in their bank account.
00:08:23.260 You're just telling me that you can't spend it until we get back in business and give you the authorization.
00:08:27.380 And in 90 percent of the government stays open and functioning. And that's that's really how it works.
00:08:34.960 I don't know why everybody's so afraid. It literally makes no sense to me.
00:08:39.300 It seems like now, Congressman, if there's a perfect time, if all the stars are aligned, it's right now.
00:08:45.700 You just want a massive landside election. President Trump's approval numbers are the highest they've ever been going into office,
00:08:51.500 among the highest of any Republican going to take office again.
00:08:54.580 You look at everything down the board about Americans agreeing with his agenda.
00:08:59.420 Now, it seemed to me like the best time to possibly do it and teach these Democrats a lesson.
00:09:04.940 And you've got Chuck Schumer. He did an interview a year and a half ago with Nancy Pelosi making fun of him.
00:09:10.060 Oh, we went into the White House and we got Trump to admit that he'll own it.
00:09:13.220 You didn't get Trump to admit anything. You got Trump to admit that he's the only man with a backbone in Washington, D.C.
00:09:18.920 And you guys went in there with some little cute plan like you were going to get him to slip up.
00:09:22.680 You didn't get anyone to slip up. Why can't these people, if they're not going to shut it down, Congressman,
00:09:26.820 why can't they get a single page bill, one piece of paper?
00:09:30.420 This is what we're funding. This is what we're funding. This is what we're funding.
00:09:33.620 Why does it have to be fifteen hundred pages of, as Lou would call it, hogwash?
00:09:39.020 It has to be fifteen hundred pages because then you can hide a lot of stuff.
00:09:43.340 And when you put in a lot of Christmas tree ornaments on a Christmas tree,
00:09:46.320 it apparently takes a lot of paper to get there.
00:09:49.860 The bottom line is, if you don't, I mean, every negotiator knows this.
00:09:57.060 If you aren't willing to walk away from a bad deal, you're going to be owned every time.
00:10:02.560 Right. And this is a bad deal.
00:10:04.980 It was a bad deal earlier this week.
00:10:07.660 And my colleagues aren't aren't willing to walk away from it.
00:10:12.540 I mean, some of them are.
00:10:15.940 But I think the vast majority don't want to.
00:10:19.400 Congressman, I want to take a quick break here.
00:10:20.640 We're going to come right back with you.
00:10:21.880 And I just want to go a little bit deeper into on the other side,
00:10:24.400 this debt ceiling and what it means for lifting the debt ceiling.
00:10:27.400 President Trump this week calling to lift the debt ceiling.
00:10:29.840 I also want to go into all the great work that you've already started doing
00:10:32.580 on the border and what it's going to look like in the new year.
00:10:36.180 We're coming right back with Congressman Andy Biggs.
00:10:38.040 He's one of the good guys, folks.
00:10:39.460 I think you guys all know that by now.
00:10:40.920 We're coming right back.
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00:11:46.340 Folks, we're back.
00:11:47.240 We're talking with Congressman Andy Biggs.
00:11:48.520 As I mentioned before we went to break, he's one of the few good guys over there.
00:11:51.360 There's about 10 or 12 of them slowly dwindling down.
00:11:55.480 Congressman, I want to get to the debt ceiling.
00:11:57.500 President Trump called for raising the debt ceiling.
00:12:00.620 My opinion, I'm not entirely sure why we do that.
00:12:03.940 Just keep spending.
00:12:05.000 But I want to get your take on it to give to the audience on what it means to raise the debt ceiling
00:12:10.960 and what it will mean for us going forward.
00:12:13.460 Yeah.
00:12:13.600 So when you raise the debt ceiling, well, the purpose of the debt ceiling is to try to keep you from increasing your structural deficits
00:12:22.560 so you have to keep borrowing more money, right?
00:12:24.260 So you don't want to keep spending more than you bring in.
00:12:26.900 But when you lift the debt ceiling, that gives you a new limit on your credit card, basically.
00:12:33.180 So now you've got even more money you can spend.
00:12:38.620 The idea was that you would increase your revenue.
00:12:41.380 But that doesn't happen, right?
00:12:42.900 So now you have a bigger gap.
00:12:45.180 And we have had for the last two years, because Speaker McCarthy negotiated this with President Biden,
00:12:50.560 that there would be no cap at all.
00:12:55.180 And then another stinker part of that for President Trump was that McCarthy put that in the first week of whoever the new president would be.
00:13:04.880 And we hoped and anticipated to be Donald Trump.
00:13:08.600 They would have to deal with that debt ceiling.
00:13:10.720 I know President Trump doesn't want to deal with that debt ceiling because he's trying to get focused on his agenda.
00:13:16.020 But the problem is when you don't cut spending at the same time that you're increasing the debt ceiling,
00:13:23.220 and in this case, they're going to do a CR that actually increases spending by $110 billion without paying for it,
00:13:29.540 you accelerate the national debt.
00:13:32.560 And that's inflationary.
00:13:35.600 That helps cause inflation.
00:13:38.380 So I don't really like it.
00:13:42.980 I don't know what it is other than I know that President Trump felt like he was kind of handicapped because he's focused on all this other stuff
00:13:51.200 and he didn't want to spend capital going in and trying to fight on the debt ceiling.
00:13:57.000 Imagine that.
00:13:58.060 The things that they do to this man, like he doesn't have enough on his plate, Congressman.
00:14:02.720 We all know what President Trump goes through on a daily basis, whether it be having to fend off attacks from the media,
00:14:08.440 whether it has to be dodging literal bullets to his head.
00:14:11.180 Now he's got to go into Washington, D.C. and do Mike Johnson's job.
00:14:15.180 I texted a friend today.
00:14:16.300 It was high up in D.C.
00:14:17.920 And I said, who does Mike Johnson answer to?
00:14:19.840 And he says, we don't really know.
00:14:22.060 It seems like the man, and I'm not even being mean, but it seems like the man is just not smart.
00:14:27.220 He keeps getting steamrolled.
00:14:28.420 He keeps getting steamrolled.
00:14:29.680 He seems like a very nice guy.
00:14:31.020 I think you would describe him as a golden retriever, a nice guy who's just going to roll over.
00:14:36.640 It's true.
00:14:37.840 But we don't need nice guys there, Congressman.
00:14:40.040 I mean, how many times are we going to just sit back?
00:14:43.960 I had said this when I had taken over the show after Lou passed away in August.
00:14:48.160 We need to have Mike Johnson, no pun intended, on a tight leash.
00:14:52.460 I mean, what Paul Ryan, you probably remember what Paul Ryan did with setting the agenda of President Trump.
00:14:57.560 I think he started with Obamacare.
00:14:59.140 It was something that ate up the first two years of Congress.
00:15:01.780 It wasted two years.
00:15:03.180 President Trump was not able to get anything through.
00:15:04.640 Now he goes his next two years with a Democratic House, and he's absolutely not able to do much.
00:15:11.600 How much leash are we supposed to give Mike Johnson?
00:15:15.160 I was joking with someone today.
00:15:16.540 I wish Lou was here because I don't think Mike Johnson would have a job right now.
00:15:19.600 There's very few people in this media who are willing to call it out.
00:15:22.760 Everyone wants to be friends with everybody, and nobody wants to call it out.
00:15:25.860 How much leash are we supposed to give Mike Johnson before he either hangs himself or he gets us into trouble?
00:15:32.400 Well, I think he's kind of already continued in the pattern of the swamp, right?
00:15:38.420 I mean, the pattern of the unit party.
00:15:40.060 I mean, I think he's done that, and I think there's a lot of people who are really discontented over the last few days with this approach.
00:15:49.360 I mean, this should have been done months ago.
00:15:52.660 He said we were going to do the 12 bills.
00:15:54.800 It became hard, so he kind of quit halfway through.
00:15:58.600 But, you know, a real leader says it's hard, but we're going to continue on because it is the thing that we need to do, right?
00:16:06.760 And it's our most important deal.
00:16:09.460 So I'm not sure that how this is going to play out on January 3rd, to be honest with you.
00:16:16.460 I know that there's a couple people who've publicly said they're not going to be with him.
00:16:21.480 Others have publicly said they're not committed.
00:16:24.060 Others have privately indicated to me they can't imagine voting for him.
00:16:29.040 I think he's in some bit of trouble, to be honest with you.
00:16:35.220 So that's January 3rd.
00:16:36.360 Let's hypothetically say probably I would put it on the 90 percentile.
00:16:41.040 He does get reelected because you know how Washington works.
00:16:44.320 Yes.
00:16:44.660 Someone makes a phone call, and I forgot how Tim Burchett said it.
00:16:48.400 He said someone comes back to you in the back of the cloakroom, and they whisper in your ear, and all of a sudden you were one way, and now you're the other.
00:16:55.100 Let's hypothetically say Mike Johnson does get in.
00:16:57.820 We now know, and I should know this all too well because Lou was a big part from what we were told in helping get Kevin McCarthy out of there.
00:17:05.640 But the rules have now since changed.
00:17:08.160 Mike Johnson, of course, trying to protect himself, knowing he was going to snake us all.
00:17:12.820 What are the rules now if we do want to get Mike Johnson out of there?
00:17:15.740 Well, they changed the motion of vacate rules that you have to have nine, which is kind of a odd number in and of itself.
00:17:25.880 I mean, how do you pick nine?
00:17:26.660 I was against that change.
00:17:30.320 If you really want to have top-down, right, if you want to have top-down leadership, then you want to keep the highest number possible so the leaders are always going to be protected.
00:17:42.460 But if you want bottom-up or grassroots-based participation in your legislative body, you would say, well, we're going to facilitate from time to time removal of the speaker.
00:17:56.440 And that's, you know, when we did it with Kevin McCarthy, myself, and Gates, and the eight of us that did that, I'm just telling you that the pressure was pretty hefty.
00:18:08.440 Yeah.
00:18:08.720 But I think the reason they chose nine is because there had been eight of us that took out McCarthy.
00:18:14.920 And so that means the question is, would you ever be able to vacate Mike Johnson?
00:18:22.820 It's going to be very difficult.
00:18:24.280 Whoever the speaker is now, it would be very difficult to vacate.
00:18:27.480 I'll never forget when you guys were going through that and you guys were going to the votes and slowly starting to dwindle off the names.
00:18:33.460 And I'll never forget Luke called me.
00:18:36.000 He goes, you got to look at Biggs, man.
00:18:37.360 I feel so bad for him.
00:18:38.720 Because you were walking around the back of there.
00:18:40.520 You looked 10 years older than you are, stressed out because of probably what they were putting you through in the threats.
00:18:46.540 You know, the funny thing was, Congressman, is they told us when McCarthy was removed, it was going to hurt the Republicans beyond repair.
00:18:54.780 Everyone was going to laugh at them.
00:18:56.220 They would never win.
00:18:57.660 Well, what do you call that just happened on November 5th?
00:19:00.420 Yeah, I call that I call that probably you won't see another landslide like that ever, simply because of the way the country is realigning right now.
00:19:13.020 Right.
00:19:13.760 And very difficult to see with the media and the social media, the 24 hours.
00:19:18.480 It's very going to be very difficult to have the type of victory that Donald Trump had.
00:19:23.680 Donald Trump is a once perhaps in the multiple generations, maybe once even in a hundred year type of leader.
00:19:29.240 He's charismatic, he's visionary, he's tough, he's brutal, but people relate, he's relatable.
00:19:38.540 You know, all the things that a true leader has.
00:19:44.200 And you had this incredible demarcation.
00:19:47.300 What can, let's just face it.
00:19:49.140 You don't typically have an apples to apples run because here we had Trump, you had four years under Trump, you had four years under Harris.
00:19:58.040 You could actually compare.
00:19:59.640 And there was an overwhelming rejection of the hard left socialist mantra in America.
00:20:07.700 And that left us with Donald Trump.
00:20:12.140 And he's a populist, perhaps, a conservative, perhaps.
00:20:16.660 But the bottom line is he stated a very clear agenda.
00:20:21.220 And that agenda really, in my opinion, is the right agenda.
00:20:27.060 And it can be enacted, but you've got to have the right legislative makeup.
00:20:33.160 And we're going to be skinny.
00:20:34.720 I'm just telling you, a two-vote margin, you get three people or four people, and any bill's dead.
00:20:41.860 So you have to be a leader.
00:20:44.780 And, well, don't know if we got one.
00:20:48.220 Speaking of leaders, you just brought forward some important legislation, in my opinion, called the Midnight Rules Relief Act.
00:20:56.980 Can you tell the audience what you're able to achieve now in putting a check on these career-corrupt bureaucrats who run this damn law?
00:21:06.280 Well, so this bill, I hope, will become law.
00:21:10.840 And if it becomes law, here's the way to think of it.
00:21:12.540 Every year, the bureaucratic state, it acts hundreds of thousands of regulations that we treat as law.
00:21:23.920 And Congress is supposed to review those and doesn't review very many at all.
00:21:27.700 In fact, the most we've ever reviewed through the Congressional Review Act in any one year is 17.
00:21:33.000 And so what my bill does is it changes the look-back period and says we're going to look back longer.
00:21:42.740 And also, it changes the process because right now, if you have one rule in EPA, let's say there's 20 rules that EPA has done that need to be reviewed and tossed out if possible, you can only do one at a time.
00:21:58.360 Sounds like government hard at work.
00:22:00.040 Yeah, right.
00:22:01.760 So it's designed to keep Congress from doing its job.
00:22:05.460 So I'm trying to get Congress back involved.
00:22:07.940 So now you can say we're going to review 20, 30, 40 in the same bill so you can have a hearing on it, get them debated, decide which ones really have to go.
00:22:19.200 And by the way, in the look-back period in my bill, which is consistent with the current law, if you were to eliminate all the Biden bills, or excuse me, Biden regulations that have come in, savings of $1.4 trillion.
00:22:35.600 Would you look at that?
00:22:36.920 See, you're a man who deserves that $34,000 raise that they were offering.
00:22:42.620 So for anyone who's been on Twitter lately, I recommend you go look at Dan Crenshaw's Twitter feed.
00:22:49.100 The man has been having an absolute meltdown.
00:22:51.040 Now, he's not one of these good guys.
00:22:52.580 He plays it off like he's a good guy, but he's not.
00:22:54.760 I won't ask for Congressman Biggs' opinion on him, but I just recommend everyone go look at Dan Crenshaw's Twitter about getting that pay raise and the meltdown he's been having with regard to it.
00:23:05.620 Congressman, before we wrap up here, I want to talk about two or three more things.
00:23:11.880 The J6 committee and Liz Cheney.
00:23:14.100 I watch CNN all day long because I like to figure out what these sick people are thinking about.
00:23:19.800 I'll turn on MSNBC.
00:23:20.980 I can't watch Fox News anymore.
00:23:22.500 It's too much for me.
00:23:23.780 So I'll watch CNN, and these folks, I mean, Jim Acosta today almost melted down when he found out that big fanny was thrown off the case in Georgia, which should have never been on in the first place.
00:23:32.520 But the January 6th committee, Donald Trump's unhinged.
00:23:36.660 He's tweeting out at 3 o'clock in the morning that Liz Cheney's gotten herself into trouble.
00:23:41.200 Now, this isn't Donald Trump's words.
00:23:42.560 This is Congressman Barry Loudermilk, the man who put out the report on it.
00:23:46.640 They're saying President Trump is out for retribution, but it was Liz Cheney who spoke with a witness without her lawyer.
00:23:53.540 It was Liz Cheney who went behind every single person's back to go ahead and do that.
00:23:58.080 It was Liz Cheney who tweeted out last week that if any lawyers want to look into her, that they should be careful because there's a political, there's retribution as it pertains to the bar laws.
00:24:08.640 This is a thug.
00:24:09.500 This woman is a thug.
00:24:11.080 But yet it's President Trump who's going for retribution on this lady who tried to ruin his life and maybe is the reason he got shot at.
00:24:18.640 Yeah, look, Liz Cheney, it wasn't just President Trump she was going after.
00:24:25.040 She was going after some of his most ardent supporters.
00:24:29.200 And so the allegations that have come forward from Barry Loudermilk's committee, by the way, Barry, it's been kind of a task force type of thing.
00:24:38.220 They really need to expand and make it a real committee, give it a little bit more resources, et cetera.
00:24:43.000 But what you find is, or what they found or what they're alleging is that she, not only did she suppress exculpatory evidence, that she tampered with witnesses, but she also potentially suborned perjury.
00:24:58.440 She was going behind and actually helping a witness get a different lawyer, one that would be more conducive.
00:25:07.060 She encouraged and helped a witness make a complete substantive rewrite of her previous under oath testimony.
00:25:18.420 And then all of that, and then she suppressed all of the evidence that would have come forward to contradict and impeach that witness.
00:25:27.940 So those are the types of allegations that are incredibly serious.
00:25:32.500 And Barry Loudermilk, he's a congressman from Georgia, has done a great job investigating that.
00:25:40.260 And I'm happy that he's done so.
00:25:44.460 But she's now saying, look, if anybody's going to come after me or check on me, you know, I'm going to double down on you.
00:25:51.840 I'm going after you.
00:25:53.260 It's insane.
00:25:54.440 So I don't consider that retribution.
00:25:56.380 I mean, I say this all the time on the show.
00:25:58.580 Don't I don't want the Republicans to break the law.
00:26:00.700 I don't want the Republicans to recreate the law.
00:26:02.480 I just want them to follow the law.
00:26:03.860 And if you follow the law, Congressman, the law leads you to that.
00:26:06.480 This woman needs to be investigated.
00:26:08.740 You sit on two of the most powerful, not two of the most powerful.
00:26:11.580 I think two of the power, two of the powerful committees there, oversight and judiciary.
00:26:17.600 Do you think you guys under Comer or Jordan are going to take a look at this and look at some of these people whose lives have been ruined?
00:26:25.040 I mean, the thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on lawyers for Bannon and Navarro and Dan Scavino, just all unnecessary nonsense.
00:26:34.300 I mean, the buck should have stopped the congressman when Cassidy Hutchinson came in and said Trump tried to take over the beast and drive the thing to the Capitol.
00:26:42.780 Yeah.
00:26:42.920 Believe it or not, there was mainstream media outlets who were covering that as truth.
00:26:46.560 I mean, what is the world come to?
00:26:49.720 Yeah.
00:26:49.880 I mean, I hope our committees keep working on it.
00:26:52.580 I know Barry's committee is going to keep working on it, but I hope there's a collaboration there.
00:26:57.320 And I hope there's a referral to the Attorney General, Pam Bondi, who can come in and use her subpoena power as well.
00:27:06.360 And you get some due process and get some warrants to get records.
00:27:12.340 Look, we think that Benny Thompson was involved.
00:27:15.520 We think Benny Thompson, we don't know where all of the documents are that Barry Loudermilk has been trying to get.
00:27:23.100 But I'm just going to tell you, we want there to be due process and justice.
00:27:30.620 That's the American way.
00:27:33.400 And if there's been an actual crime committed, then there needs to be reconvenced there.
00:27:38.780 But here's the other aspect of it, because you brought this up.
00:27:42.340 There are a lot of other individuals whose lives were attacked because of this.
00:27:49.100 My life was attacked.
00:27:51.340 They came after me and have continued to tell lies about me literally for five years.
00:27:58.500 And for the left, they told the lies so often that they simply believe them now.
00:28:07.180 And that's the type of thing that calls and screams for justice.
00:28:16.140 And that's what we want.
00:28:17.580 That's what I think we want.
00:28:19.200 We're not looking for retribution.
00:28:20.920 We're looking for justice.
00:28:21.600 Because if you're going to have a freedom in a society, there has to be a rule of law.
00:28:26.020 That way you can protect all people from the bullies and those who would abuse the system.
00:28:32.240 And then you can have freedom.
00:28:33.600 But if you don't have rule of law, you will never have freedom.
00:28:38.380 You mentioned truth, justice in the American way.
00:28:40.300 That was the mantra that is of this show.
00:28:42.740 That's the mantra that Lou came up with on the show.
00:28:45.340 You brought up a good point.
00:28:46.620 And it was the lies that they spewed about you and everybody else.
00:28:49.180 You guys have something in Congress called congressional immunity.
00:28:52.720 It was what allowed Pencil Neck Adam Schiff to go out and run rampant and do whatever the hell he wanted.
00:28:57.580 How do we get rid of that so that there is some sort of accountability?
00:29:02.880 We see ABC just paying out $15 million to Donald Trump for lying.
00:29:06.840 It should be like that.
00:29:07.880 If you lie and you knowingly lied, not made a mistake, but you knowingly lied, you need to pay the price for it.
00:29:14.700 So how do we get rid of this congressional immunity that protects far too many people, Congressman?
00:29:19.180 Well, congressional immunity is related to the speech and debate clause, which is in the U.S. Constitution.
00:29:25.900 And I know it's bad now, but believe me, if you go back through history, you're going to – sometimes I would think we're pikers.
00:29:34.720 If you go back to the pre-Civil War era and you look at poor Abe Lincoln and the attacks on Abe Lincoln when he was a member of Congress and then as he's running for president, those were outrageous.
00:29:49.260 I mean, ours are outrageous and libelous and slanderous.
00:29:55.700 And quite frankly, I don't care if Adam Schiff lies about me, but if he goes out and leaks material that came from the Intelligence Committee, that should be a prosecution.
00:30:05.820 I don't care if, you know, Joe the rag man is sitting at home in his underwear and he's saying hateful things about me.
00:30:14.260 You know, that's his business.
00:30:15.760 He can say that.
00:30:16.400 I mean, Thomas Jefferson said, yeah, we'll do that.
00:30:18.580 We're not going to do that.
00:30:19.520 Right.
00:30:20.240 And I don't even care if – look, we get called racist and everything else.
00:30:24.680 That's where this body has to internally monitor itself and right the ship and say, look, you know what, that's too much.
00:30:34.280 You've crossed the line because routinely you'll go to the floor and they'll say, these guys are liars, they're racist, they're Nazis and all that.
00:30:43.440 That's when we have to say, no, you can't say that.
00:30:46.200 And so the Judiciary Committee, we get that a lot.
00:30:49.680 And so we've learned that the rule is I want the rules – I want the words taken down because if we take your words down, that means you're done for the day.
00:30:57.220 That means you can't even speak anymore.
00:30:59.520 No matter what.
00:31:00.300 And that's the internal monitoring that must go on if we're going to restore some sense of civility in Congress.
00:31:10.680 Yeah, you're absolutely right.
00:31:11.680 And nobody cares – and Elon Musk put it so perfectly – the First Amendment is for speech that's not so popular.
00:31:17.520 Nobody cares if someone's out there calling you ugly or lazy or whatever.
00:31:20.660 But when you start doing things, calling somebody a Nazi is not something you're taking lightly.
00:31:24.480 And I'm not a snowflake and I'm not somebody who gets offended over everything.
00:31:27.340 But that's something that ruins someone's life.
00:31:29.080 Calling somebody a rapist, Congressman, ruins somebody's life.
00:31:32.520 Look at those Duke lacrosse players and what they went through.
00:31:34.920 Their lives were never the same after they were accused of raping it.
00:31:37.600 Turns out it never happened.
00:31:38.860 But all you had to do was say the word and you look what happened.
00:31:41.280 I want to conclude with something that's near and dear, I think, to everybody.
00:31:46.820 It was near and dear to Lou.
00:31:47.500 I know it's near and dear to you.
00:31:48.560 And I think it's probably, if not the sole reason, one of the top three reasons President Trump won on November 5th, and that's the border.
00:31:56.300 Do you think we can get this thing secured?
00:31:58.340 I saw something the other day.
00:31:59.960 If we can, in my opinion, if we can start penalizing some of these folks who hire these illegals, Senator Mike Lee has put forward a bill to get all these illegals off of our health care system and off of our schooling system.
00:32:14.860 If you do those two things, in my opinion, you probably get this thing turned around in less than two years because if they're not making any money, they're not going to want to come.
00:32:23.180 There's no government subsidies for them.
00:32:24.960 They can't afford to be here.
00:32:26.340 You couple that with a wall, and I think you've got a secure country.
00:32:29.780 What's your thoughts as it pertains to closing this border and securing the country?
00:32:34.760 Well, yeah, I mean, if they can't get a job, they're not coming, right?
00:32:38.340 That's the first thing.
00:32:39.640 And then if they get here and they find they can't get a job and you don't give them benefits, they're going to self-repatriate.
00:32:46.500 And I think those two things are critical.
00:32:50.740 Building the wall is critical.
00:32:51.600 But I also believe this.
00:32:53.660 You have to start removing people.
00:32:56.340 Yeah.
00:32:57.200 Because once you start removing people, I guarantee you, you're going to see self-repatriation.
00:33:03.940 They're going to say, oh, my gosh, it's going to be just as effective as the Remain in Mexico policy.
00:33:10.340 Because the people were like, well, I'm not going to sell everything I own and go on, give it to a coyote and go on up.
00:33:15.900 If as soon as I get up there, they're going to tell me I've got to wait in Mexico.
00:33:20.020 They're not going to do that.
00:33:21.720 So the same thing goes when you're removing people.
00:33:24.580 They're saying, like, I'm not going to spend everything I have to get up there.
00:33:28.560 And that will immediately turn off the spigot.
00:33:31.060 The other thing is everybody's on the table.
00:33:35.280 If you're in a sanctuary city and they're turning you loose like San Diego County wants to turn loose rapists, right, for instance, back in the community.
00:33:46.020 And ICE hears about it and they're tracking down somebody that they have a hold on.
00:33:51.380 And they go to that house and the guy's living there with six other people.
00:33:56.240 They're going to run those six people.
00:33:58.560 And if five of them are illegally in the country, all six of them are going to go.
00:34:03.800 They're not going to be like the Biden administration.
00:34:05.580 And guess what that does?
00:34:07.080 That sends them home.
00:34:08.100 You know how I know it's going to work?
00:34:09.440 Because the ambassador of the Philippines, the Filipino ambassador to the U.S. said, look, if you're illegally in the country and you're from the Philippines, you should you should seriously think about returning to to the Philippines.
00:34:22.240 And I agree with that.
00:34:23.480 And we're seeing that already.
00:34:25.520 You know, the going rate for crossing the borders doubled from five thousand ahead to ten thousand ahead.
00:34:31.160 That's because people anticipate enforcement of the law the day President Trump comes into office.
00:34:37.500 And that's what Congress should be working on.
00:34:40.080 You know, the Marxist Democrats in cities like New York, if you have an illegal gun, they let you go ahead and surrender your gun without any sort of repercussions.
00:34:47.920 I think a good idea for President Trump is let these people self-deport and see if we can get a head start on this thing.
00:34:54.040 But if anyone who watches Tom Holman, that man means business.
00:34:58.720 There's no ifs, ands or buts about if he means what he says and he says what he means.
00:35:02.840 Because Tom Holman, I know him personally, means business.
00:35:05.500 And he's going to get everybody out of here.
00:35:07.280 He told Caitlin Collins when she said put a number on and he goes everybody.
00:35:11.360 And it's true.
00:35:11.920 You break the law.
00:35:12.800 The thing that drives me nuts is the health care.
00:35:14.820 It's not a civil liberty for us Americans.
00:35:17.680 You remember Obamacare that made it made it a fine.
00:35:20.340 If we didn't go out there and pay for health care, yet these illegals come to this country wide open.
00:35:24.420 Come on, come to our schools.
00:35:25.480 You don't speak English.
00:35:26.140 You can sit in a classroom with these these American kids who speak English and do whatever you want.
00:35:31.620 Go to the hospital.
00:35:32.380 Use the hospital systems.
00:35:33.380 We're going to learn what it's like to live in a third world country if we don't get this under control, in my opinion.
00:35:39.340 I want to wrap up with the drug cartels.
00:35:41.700 How do we proceed with them?
00:35:44.000 We want to go fight wars overseas.
00:35:45.500 I spoke to Colonel Doug McGregor the other day.
00:35:47.340 We want to go fight wars overseas and send our military over there.
00:35:49.820 The Democrats tell us don't use the military here at home.
00:35:53.080 It's bad optics.
00:35:54.220 We have a war at our southern border, a war that we can actually win for the first time when a war and I don't know you put a timeline on the last time we won a war that we can actually win.
00:36:04.980 And they don't want to fight it because it's bad optics.
00:36:07.280 How do we get rid of these drug dens that are killing hundreds of hundreds of thousands of Americans a year, Congressman?
00:36:13.420 Well, so I've spent the last year on the drug cartel or border cartel task force.
00:36:19.920 The chairman is Dan Crenshaw.
00:36:21.220 I know you don't like Dan.
00:36:21.860 But Dan has actually done a great job on that because he and I have total agreement on this.
00:36:27.880 Well, maybe not total, but 98% agreement.
00:36:30.560 But we have worked hard on this.
00:36:32.200 And I will tell you this.
00:36:34.660 We've got ideas on how you use the military.
00:36:37.760 And I talked to Tom Holman this morning.
00:36:40.320 He's got ideas on how you use the military.
00:36:42.100 They're already trying to figure out how you use the military.
00:36:44.480 You're not violating posse comitatus, but you can use them to help transport.
00:36:47.980 And once you start going at their commodity and you start looking at their cash and their income, guess what?
00:36:58.900 They dry up a little bit.
00:37:00.840 And I don't know that you ever get to 100%, but I can tell you this.
00:37:07.060 You can get to where you actually secure the border and you can interdict and bring people down.
00:37:12.640 And quite frankly, we want to actually have a relationship with Mexico.
00:37:18.700 I mean, I love Mexico.
00:37:20.060 I used to go to Mexico all the time.
00:37:21.260 Here's the deal.
00:37:22.760 President Scheinbaum, I think, is going to work with President Trump.
00:37:27.120 But there's a lot of corruption down there.
00:37:29.480 And the cartels control whole states down there, brother.
00:37:32.500 And also, I don't know if you saw this, but just since President Trump has come in, Canada has committed about $1.5 billion to try to secure their border.
00:37:45.560 That's what happens when you have a strong leader, and it's going to impact those cartels.
00:37:50.800 I got an idea.
00:37:51.600 If they don't want to play ball, why don't we open our southern border one way?
00:37:55.600 Let's build a road from Mexico up to Canada.
00:37:58.320 We'll even put a train system because they'll save us the money in the long run, and we'll put it up there.
00:38:03.120 These drug cartels are terrorist organizations.
00:38:05.220 We had no problem going to Iraq and destabilizing the place.
00:38:07.780 We had no problem creating ISIS.
00:38:09.120 We had no problem destabilizing Afghanistan, leaving everything behind.
00:38:12.620 It's a war that needs to be fought, and I think President Trump and Tom Homan is going to do it with the help of congressmen like you.
00:38:18.340 Congressman Andy Biggs of the great state of Arizona, thanks so much for joining us today, brother.
00:38:22.120 I appreciate it.
00:38:23.020 Thanks.
00:38:23.600 Have a Merry Christmas.
00:38:25.040 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family, Congressman.
00:38:27.260 Thank you.
00:38:28.320 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.
00:38:30.260 I hope you're all having, like I said, a great, great, great Christmas Eve, and I hope you're all going to have a great Christmas day with your family, your friends, and your loved ones.
00:38:39.320 And I appreciate you guys all joining us for this great show today and every single day that you guys join us.
00:38:45.340 Once again, a blessed and a happy and a Merry, Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones.
00:38:51.140 We'll see you back here tomorrow for The Great America Show, where our quest for truth, justice, and the American way continues.
00:38:56.320 Until then, may God bless you, may God bless America, and may God bless the great Lou Dobbs.