The Best Of The Great America Show： November 29, 2024
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South Carolina congresswoman passes a bill banning men from using women's bathrooms. Speaker Mike Johnson defends the bill and says it doesn't go far enough. Former Vice President Joe Biden says there's no such thing as a transgender man.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
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Well, we may be in some sort of recess for Congress and at a standstill waiting for President
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Trump to come back into office, but Congress is still working under the leadership of Mike
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I don't agree with Mike Johnson on most things, but I have to give credit where credit is
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This week, Congresswoman Nancy Mace of South Carolina has had enough with the whole transgender
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situation, women using men's bathrooms and men using women's bathrooms.
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Take a listen to Nancy Mace talking about that bill that she has proposed on the floor, which
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The question is, with your piece of legislation about banning women from using.
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You have said that it was created in response to Congresswoman-elect McBride.
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But should legislation be created, targeted at one specific person?
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I'm not going to allow biological men into women's private spaces.
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I will stand in the brink and stand in the way of anyone on the radical left who thinks
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that it's okay for a penis to be in a women's locker room or a bathroom or a changing room.
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And the Speaker said it would be in the House rules package.
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If it's not, I'll be ready with a motion, a privileged motion, to force a vote on this.
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And I'm not going to allow any man in any female private spaces.
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And, by the way, I'm getting death threats from men pretending to be women.
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Why is it that these crazy people, the insanity, the radical left, are willing to kill women
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over a man's right to be in a women's restroom?
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Speaker Johnson has said he wants to treat every new member with the words dignity and
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Forcing this congressperson to go into a male restroom, is that dignity and respect?
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Forcing women to share private spaces with men is not dignity and not respect.
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And I'm absolutely going to stand in the way of anyone who thinks it's okay for a man
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to be in our locker room, in our changing rooms, in our dressing rooms, in women's bathrooms.
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Congresswoman Nancy Mace absolutely taking that beta male...
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I don't even know if you're calling him a male...
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The fact that we have to beg for men to not be in women's restrooms.
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Folks, a lot of you who watch this show have been around this earth a lot longer than
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But can you think back at a time when we've dealt with something so insane that we have
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to beg men to not use women's restrooms and respect their privacy?
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And I said, I don't always agree with Mike Johnson.
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In fact, I disagree with him on most of the time and the work that he does.
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Here's Mike Johnson this week defending that bill.
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I just want to make a statement for all of you here and be very clear.
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I was asked a question this morning at the Leadership Gaggle, and I rejected the premise
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For anybody who doesn't know my well-established record on this issue, let me be unequivocally
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That said, I also believe, that's what Scripture teaches, what I just said.
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But I also believe that we treat everybody with dignity.
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And so we can do and believe all those things at the same time.
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And I wanted to make that clear for everybody because there's lots of questions.
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I've stood there my whole life, and those are facts.
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But I'm going to reiterate again, I don't usually agree with Mike Johnson, but I think
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Mike Johnson may watch the show because you hear me say that very often on this show.
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So anybody should suggest otherwise that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man
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is in some sort of alternative reality, which it seems the Democrats are usually in as it stands.
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I want to get over to some foreign policy and bring in our guest today.
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President Biden met with Xi Jinping in their final meeting, likely ever, at the G20 summit
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And they talked about some things, Xi Jinping sending some messages for President Trump.
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Our guest today is the author of Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America,
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Gordon Chang, thanks so much for joining us back here on The Great America Show.
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It's always a delight to have you on the program.
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Folks, for those of you who haven't picked up Gordon's book yet, Plan Red, China's Project
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to Destroy America, Christmas is around the corner.
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If you're a great American, you should be informing your loved ones, your family members, your
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friends, what's going on in this country, and more importantly, what's going on with
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Gordon, like I said, great to have you back with us.
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I want to start with this decisive win by President Trump.
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First, tell me what it means for America, what it means for China, and what it means
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for the rest of the world when it comes to America being number one again.
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Biden allowed the world to think that China was number one.
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And that caused all sorts of problems because China was waging proxy wars around the world,
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in Europe, in Ukraine, across North Africa, where China and Russia were fueling insurgencies
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And China was backing Iran's assault on Israel.
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So essentially, Moscow and Beijing were setting the world alight.
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One of the great things, John, is that this month, we have seen China become uncharacteristically
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quiet in East Asia, in its peripheral water and air.
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And there might be some internal reasons for that.
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But I think the most important one is that Xi Jinping wants to give Trump a very wide berth.
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I think the Chinese are very worried about Trump returning to the Oval Office.
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So even before Trump has taken the oath of office, he has brought peace and stability to
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You know, I mean, I want to break out, get into some of the things that's going to come
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with the Trump presidency, with him coming back to office.
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Tariffs, obviously, being among the first, the biggest and the first.
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A new poll out from Reuters shows that they're a poll of 50 economists over at Reuters, that
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Trump's going to unleash nearly 40 percent tariffs on China in early 2025.
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So that's just in a few months within him taking office.
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These obviously a lot bigger, Gordon, than the seven and a half to 25 percent tariffs that
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were levied on China, President Trump's first term in 2016.
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These folks, these economists are predicting around a 38 percent tariff generally on most
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goods, but a ranging tariff between 15 and 60 percent.
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I think President Trump has even talked about 100 percent in some cases on some things.
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Do you think President Trump holds through on these?
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I know Lou Dobbs is up in heaven right now and he's absolutely pounding the hell out of
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I think Trump will do that, you know, especially with Lou's help.
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So, but I think these tariffs are a great idea.
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They're important to do because remember, when Trump first imposed these, he used his
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authority under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 and he used these tariffs as a remedy
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China has continued to steal American IP to the tune of about a half trillion dollars a
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So when you get a lot of economists and smart people saying they don't like tariffs, I say,
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OK, but what are you going to do about IP theft?
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And by the way, you know, you hear a lot of these economists say, well, it's just the
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American people are going to pay these tariffs.
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In the 2018 tariffs, China picked up 75 to 81 percent of the cost of these tariffs.
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And I think that China is going to do the same thing this time because it has more incentive
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And by the way, China is already driving down the value of the renminbi.
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And I think that's an anticipation of the Trump tariffs.
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And that's going to make Chinese products cheaper.
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So even before Trump gets into the Oval Office, he's having a beneficial effect on prices in
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But if we want to, we could categorize it as that because our people are just absolute
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Smartest people in the world, but also the dumbest people in the world.
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Elon Musk, another one having a huge influence over in China.
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But to the people who say no tariffs, I'm going to say what Lou Dobbs would say to them.
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How else are we supposed to get Elon Musk and Tesla?
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But you can go down a laundry list, Gordon, of some of our nation's biggest manufacturers,
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some of them that partake in almost all of them, these top ones in national security
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here in America, the computers in the DOD are not made in America.
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You can go, like I said, go down a laundry list of things.
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I was reading an article this morning, I think it was from The Economist, where it said Vietnam
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I understand, Gordon, there are some jobs that we just cannot do in America simply for
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Second thing is just apply U.S. law, existing law.
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The Tariff Act of 1930 prohibits the importation into the U.S. of goods made with forced labor.
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Apple products have been made with Uyghur forced labor.
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The reason why we want to do this is because China uses Uyghurs, Kazakhs, other Turkic minorities
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And that's financing China's program of genocide.
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So we should not be financing the most horrible crimes in history.
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And all we have to do is we don't have to change the law.
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So tariffs and the Tariff Act of 1930, do those things.
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I think we really clean up a lot of problems for us.
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And one other thing, you know, John, I'm happy business is done in Vietnam rather than China.
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We can actually move that business to our hemisphere.
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We have a trade agreement in existence already.
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The reason why we have migrant problem at our southern border is because those societies have been destabilized.
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Some of them will never be made in the U.S., as you point out.
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They should be made on our side of the Pacific.
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And we can do it with virtually no cost to the American consumer.
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Actually, probably cheaper products in Central America than in China.
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I often point out on this show, Gordon, that more lives are lost as a result of our wide open southern border.
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And then wars that we fought overseas in the Middle East for the last 24 years.
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Hundreds of thousands of people a year dying from fentanyl overdoses coming from China through the southern border via Mexico.
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I'm all for spending the money, and I hate spending money, but I'm all for spending the money to get Mexico built up and get the corruption the hell out of that place.
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Because at the end of the day, Gordon, whatever money we spent is better well spent in Mexico than it is in Ukraine and Iran and every other place that we've given money to over the last eight years or so.
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I'm all for helping them get rid of their corruption.
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I'm all for getting rid of the drug lords and stop letting these folks run this country and giving business to countries like Puerto Rico, giving business to countries like Puerto Rico, territories like Puerto Rico, countries like Dominican Republic.
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If they can even help out Haiti, I'm all for it.
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It'll help our illegal immigration problem, and it'll help us get the hell out of China.
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Obviously, the Belt and Road Initiative was a big turning point.
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But at what point did we become so – because it seems, Gordon, in the last maybe 10 years or so, it's gotten even worse.
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At what point in the last 25 years have we gotten so divested in China?
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You know, all we have to do, some little changes.
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We don't even have to spend any money to do it.
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Let's buy them from people who actually like us rather than people who are trying to kill us.
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The Communist Party is behind the fentanyl gangs.
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And it's because some of the producers are state-owned.
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We know that Chinese TikTok, which propagates Chinese narratives, they promote illegal drug use in the U.S.
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There's Chinese central government subsidies for fentanyl.
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Every container that leaves China is inspected by officials.
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And the fentanyl producers, they launder their money through the Chinese state banking system.
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So this is a Communist Party plan to destroy American lives.
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But I don't want to be involved in a war between Palestine and Gaza and Israel.
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And I don't mean a literal war with Mexico, because, I mean, at this point, the leaders of Mexico are pretty much just hostages.
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The cartels threaten to kill their family members.
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But what we heard was President Trump, towards the end of his last term, he wanted to blow up these drug factories.
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He wanted to send missiles in and absolutely blow them up.
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They were able to tell where they were based on geothermal imaging.
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They can tell where the heat was coming out of the factories in the middle of nowhere.
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Obviously, it's not manufacturing facilities for goods.
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And it was leaked out by, I think, Mark Esper in his book.
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And he thought he was hurting Trump by saying it.
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And it turned out people were actually in favor of going in and blowing up these drug lords because they're criminals, Gordon.
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Yeah, you know, the one thing that we haven't focused on is that the Biden administration has allowed the Mexican cartels to operate on U.S. soil.
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In places along the border, like Los Angeles, cartels are actively involved.
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And the Biden administration has done virtually nothing about it.
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However we do it, we get the cartels off of American soil.
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And hopefully we make sure that they do not operate in Mexico close to our border.
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So one way or another, we've got to do that because otherwise we have got these gangs taking over states like California and Arizona.
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And you bring back, I think, Gordon, you bring back the death penalty for these people.
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And I think you see a lot of things change how people say death penalty.
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Why doesn't China, Gordon, you're very familiar with China.
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Why doesn't China have a drug problem like we have?
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Why doesn't countries like Singapore, the Philippines, why don't they have drug problems like we have, Gordon?
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Yeah, Singapore doesn't have a drug problem because of the death penalty.
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You can see how the effect of these penalties work.
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China doesn't have a drug problem because they've got a totalitarian state, which really makes sure that people don't take drugs.
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Now, they're not able to control some of their southern parts near places like Thailand and Myanmar, Burma.
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But elsewhere throughout the country, they are very effective in controlling it.
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Yeah, I mean, I've spent a decent amount of time in Asia, and I'm going to be heading there at the end of this week and spending some time over there.
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And, I mean, like I said, I've spent a decent amount of time.
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And you go out to a bar and a club here in America, Gordon, you've got someone coming up to you asking if you want cocaine, asking if you want marijuana.
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Every time I've been over there, I've never even seen it.
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But generally, you have people coming up to you asking for it.
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I've never had anyone come up to me and ask for it.
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So it may be there, but it's not as brazen as I was in New York City last week going to the Knicks game.
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And there's a guy selling pre-rolled marijuana joints on the street corner.
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So, you know, it may just be marijuana, but it doesn't matter.
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We're going to go a little bit deeper into President Joe Biden's last meeting with Xi Jinping of the G20.
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Hey, it's going to be the last time they meet, probably forever, unless they discuss some sort of business deals.
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The four-word written, the epilogue written by the great Lou Dobbs.
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So Lou Dobbs didn't endorse anything that he didn't believe in.
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And for you guys who have watched him for the last, I don't know, we'll say 50 years to make it easy, you know, Lou had great integrity and, you know, didn't just back up things for the hell of it.
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He did it for a reason, and there's a reason he did it, because it's important.
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So Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America by Gordon Chang.
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You can get it, like I said, Amazon or wherever you buy your books.
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Gordon, Xi Jinping, and Joe Biden met for the last time, presumably, at the G20 Summit, where, if you guys were watching the news or following this podcast, you saw Joe Biden was very lost in the rainforest and wandering, missing the family photo.
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I mean, he was, I don't know if it was on purpose or he was just enjoying a vacation, but damn, that man seems like he's got two feet out the door, Gordon.
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But nonetheless, Xi Jinping, in his goodbye to Joe Biden, which was probably more of a hello to Donald Trump, sent him a message saying that his red line is that he draws it at democracy and human rights.
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The first part is funny, too, being he's a dictator.
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What kind of message is he trying to send to Donald Trump, saying his red line is human rights, as he hosts concentration camps all across this country, and democracy, where he's a dictator.
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I mean, we're going to get into Jimmy Lai over in Hong Kong in just a little bit.
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But what does he mean by democracy and human rights?
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This is what Chinese leaders, and especially Xi Jinping, are most worried about.
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And so what Xi Jinping was saying was the United States shouldn't try to promote representative governance, democracy, or human rights.
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The one reason why they really did not want Mike Pompeo in the next, in the Trump administration is because Pompeo actually tried to talk to the Chinese people, and that infuriated Xi Jinping.
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The thing is, they got Marco Rubio, who's going to do the same thing.
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But the point is that Xi Jinping was, as you say, sending a message to the Trump administration, say, don't talk about democracy.
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If he's doing such a good job over there and his people love him.
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What a lot of people don't realize, Gordon, is my father spent a decent amount of time in his earlier days in China working for Citibank and spending a decent amount of time over there.
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And, you know, he had told me something that I had never realized.
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And we obviously know China is like the king of deceitfulness and lies.
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But what he explained to me, you know, I said, you look at the skyline of Beijing and you look at all these beautiful buildings.
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Every single one of those skyscrapers is literally just for show.
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It's like that movie they made about North Korea where they go into the grocery store and it's all beautiful fruits and everything.
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What kind of democracy does Xi Jinping think he's running over there or at least trying to fool the rest of the world, Gordon?
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Well, right now, the Chinese leaders are especially concerned about the mood of the Chinese people.
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Chinese people have been very glum, very docile, just completely defeated.
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And then all of a sudden, especially this last month, we have seen one incident after another of these mass killings in China.
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And, you know, if people can, if they can pray for the Chinese people right now, because innocents, including schoolchildren, are being slaughtered.
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But we're also seeing other mass incidents which are unnerving the Communist Party.
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Just to give you an example, in June, four college girls in central China went and thought it would be a good idea to have dumplings.
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And so they got on their bikes, they rode 50 kilometers between two Chinese cities for dumplings.
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That has now turned into a mass incident where 100,000 kids will do the same thing on any given night.
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And the Chinese leaders are now hysterical because they're worried about people turning that into a political protest.
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So we're seeing a Chinese leadership right now that is even more insecure than normal.
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And by the way, if it weren't bad enough for them, they really don't like Trump because Trump is popular with China's people.
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He's popular not because he says things that they like.
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He is exactly the opposite of the lifeless leaders in China, Xi Jinping and especially his predecessor, Hu Jintao.
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And, you know, that's one thing that really drives Xi Jinping over the edge.
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I don't want to get off topic here, but I was reading this morning a poll done.
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And between the ages of 18, I think, to 54 in Britain, 50 percent of the males wish they can go ahead and vote for Donald Trump.
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And, you know, some people don't like Trump because of his messaging.
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You see President Trump, he did a tour with Tucker Carlson.
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He came out and he was talking about John Bolton.
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And he said he used John Bolton very strategically.
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He said, I'd bring this idiot with me to meetings.
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And Vladimir Putin would look at him and say, oh, damn, this guy wants to go to war.
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And I think Trump says that big, stupid mustache.
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So Trump had plenty of useful idiots around him, but he knew how to use him.
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But first, I want to talk a little bit about North Korea as I spoke about Rocket Man.
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And it was Kim Jong-un looking through a pair of binoculars.
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And he saw Elon Musk with Donald Trump looking at him launching his rocket.
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And then below it, it was Kim Jong-un saying, oh, no, he's got a new Rocket Man.
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He's been very silent since November 5th, November 6th.
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What's going through his little mind right now?
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One of them, of course, is that they've supplied four combat brigades for Ukraine.
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So there's that burgeoning relationship with Moscow, which China has approved.
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But internally, Kim Jong-un is worried about what's going on inside North Korea, because
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And again, it's another insecure totalitarian leader.
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So right now, if it weren't for the money that he's getting from Russia, he might not be there
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And he's carrying on this enormous spat with South Korea right now, a spat that North Korea
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So do you think, you know, his whole nuclear program, his whole rocket launching program
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Like I said, I've been to Korea before, South Korea, of course.
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And I walk those tunnels underneath the DMZ, where they lead right into North Korea.
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North Korea's got caught building tunnels right into the middle of Seoul.
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As you're on the tour board, and they tell you at any point, North Korea can flood the
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As soon as I heard that, I started running with my head down to get the hell back upstairs.
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So being in a five foot tall section, as I'm six foot two, was exactly easy.
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But do you think Kim Jong-un looks to ramp up his rhetoric against America?
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Or do you think he takes an easy approach and tries to befriend Donald Trump once again
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I think Kim, and this is just a guess, this is wild speculation, but he's going to be quiet
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for a little bit of time, because he just wants to know what the landscape is.
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He probably thinks he can't go back to what he tried to do with President Trump during Trump's
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first term, which was this attempt to come to some sort of agreement with the U.S.
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But I also think he doesn't want to take on America.
00:28:24.440
So right now, I think Kim will be relatively well behaved, at least for a little while.
00:28:30.540
Now, why do you say that you don't think we can get back to the point now?
00:28:33.880
I'm not completely against America trying to make some sort of reconciliation with North Korea.
00:28:40.200
You'll hear people on the left saying, well, there are a bunch of murderers and killers
00:28:46.900
And I mean, we're their number one business partner.
00:28:50.160
So you want to look at one, but you don't look at the other.
00:28:53.200
You want to look at the concentration camps in North Korea, but you don't want to look
00:28:56.600
at them in China because it's convenient for you, Mr. Adam Silver, Mr. Mark Cuban.
00:29:02.000
So, you know, people look at it from that aspect, that Kim Jong-un's a killer.
00:29:09.840
Do you think I mean, why do you why do you think that we can't get back to some sort
00:29:18.340
It's basically Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin won't let Kim do that.
00:29:29.520
And so I don't think the Chinese and Russians will allow him to do that.
00:29:33.860
You know, a lot of people when in the first Trump administration looked at President Trump's
00:29:38.860
outreach to Kim Jong-un, that really was an attempt to pry North Korea away from China.
00:29:46.480
And so I think that you're going to see that Xi Jinping is not going to permit Kim to do
00:29:59.300
So why do you think it's out of President Trump's wheelhouse to try to go ahead and do
00:30:02.680
that again and say, hey, Kim, why don't you, you know, come over to our side?
00:30:06.120
I mean, what is really at stake for China is not going to obviously blow up North Korea.
00:30:16.700
But do you think it's more beneficial for us to have North Korea on our side than than
00:30:22.340
being on China and Russia's side, even if it does cost us a little bit of money?
00:30:25.860
Yeah, it might not even cost us any money because there's other incentives that the United States
00:30:31.620
can give North Korea that don't involve the outlay of cash.
00:30:36.620
To answer your question, it is obviously on our side to pry away North Korea from China.
00:30:49.200
Well, that's what I think he tried to do in his first term.
00:31:00.600
And so they have, I think that they are going to put their hooks into Kim and not let him
00:31:08.060
But, and the reason why the Chinese and Russians are doing that is because Xi Jinping is thinking
00:31:12.440
of going to war and he wants North Korea to fight on his side.
00:31:16.900
So he's going to, the Chinese are going to be even more determined than they were last
00:31:23.440
Again, you know, that's just reading tea leaves.
00:31:26.480
But it's my sense that they're going to be much more active in preventing Kim from doing
00:31:32.360
what Kim might otherwise do, which is to come to some sort of deal with Trump.
00:31:40.200
But at a time where the region can fall into a war, which would be World War III, by the
00:31:47.380
way, because we got wars everywhere else, you know, the stakes are much higher.
00:31:54.880
I think if anybody can get the job done when it comes to negotiation, it's President Trump.
00:31:59.220
Maybe he needs to call John Bolton out for a little retirement and fly him over there
00:32:04.700
But, you know, the old saying, kicking the dog while they're down, China's obviously very
00:32:09.840
And I'm not for kicking an actual dog while they're down, but I am for kicking China while
00:32:14.820
they're down because of everything they've done to this country.
00:32:17.980
Gordon, they've never paid the price for the genocide they've launched on the world with
00:32:24.540
At least on the world, you hear Dr. Redfield now, and I don't know where he's coming up
00:32:29.600
with this, trying to spew the notion now that China, that the China virus came out of a
00:32:36.060
What's your thoughts on this and how President Trump holds China accountable, finally, for
00:32:45.260
Yeah, I haven't heard Redfield say that, but I'm sure he did.
00:32:48.760
What he's referring to is that around 2012, 2013, 14, I think it's Dr. Robert Barrack, but
00:33:00.600
it was somebody at the University of North Carolina was manipulating coronaviruses.
00:33:09.280
And President Obama in 2014 imposed a federal moratorium on gain-of-function research on
00:33:19.880
He then outsourced gain-of-function research to a Chinese biological weapons lab, which is
00:33:31.260
And clearly, China would not have had the technology were it not for the funding from
00:33:38.960
And we don't have to speculate about this, John, because there are two scientific papers
00:33:43.340
from 2017 and 2019, I remember, from researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:33:50.480
They are describing gain-of-function research, and they are specifically acknowledging funding
00:33:55.740
from Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
00:34:00.380
So clearly, Fauci was funding this, and he's not been held accountable.
00:34:05.640
And the one thing that President Trump did, which was great, was to get us out of the World
00:34:09.260
Health Organization, which helped China spread coronavirus beyond China's borders.
00:34:15.680
That's 7 million people were killed by this disease outside China, including 1.2 million
00:34:23.080
Now, I know people will say, well, it wasn't 1.2.
00:34:32.700
And we were speaking earlier about the Chinese people in the mainland there.
00:34:38.260
I think the number they told us was like 80,000 or something like that.
00:34:41.560
I mean, that number's also got to be in the millions because they were dumping them like
00:34:46.160
They were picking up body bags, dumping them in a garbage fail, and that was it.
00:34:50.380
They were there was no cameras allowed to be had because then you can figure out how many
00:34:55.080
But I think there's somebody who knows the real number, and it's got to be in the millions
00:35:03.800
And as you point out, we don't know because they did their best to prevent the world from
00:35:09.540
But they were picking up people like firewood from the streets and cremating them.
00:35:15.700
And we'll never know until the Communist Party opens up its files.
00:35:22.720
I wonder if they even know how many were, because it was just, I mean, thinking back
00:35:27.760
at it now, we were, you know, you were on the show on Ludovs tonight very often, and we
00:35:31.160
were in, Lou's number one issue aside from the border was obviously China.
00:35:38.220
And I mean, we were to see every single day these bodies picked up in bags, thrown in
00:35:42.560
the back of a truck and disappeared, never to be seen again.
00:35:47.460
Gordon, I want to take one more quick break here.
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He's the author of Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
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Of course, the foreword, as I told you, written by the great Lou Dobbs.
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Gordon, I want to turn to something we didn't get to last segment, Marco Rubio.
00:37:27.960
I want to get your thoughts on him being picked as Secretary of State
00:37:32.280
and the impact it will have on China, the impact it will have on the rest of the world,
00:37:40.000
Well, Marco Rubio as Secretary of State and Michael Waltz as National Security Advisor
00:37:53.300
He knows what it's like to live under communist society.
00:37:56.200
And so, therefore, we've got someone who really believes this.
00:38:03.300
And that's important because this is not just a matter of a policy choice.
00:38:08.060
This is someone who understands the life and death nature of communism.
00:38:13.180
So I think that that was a great choice as Secretary of State.
00:38:18.000
I mean, do you think he has what it takes to go in and negotiate?
00:38:22.940
Now, Pompeo was – I know Pompeo is a friend of yours.
00:38:29.180
But – and I think President Trump towards the end wasn't so fond of him.
00:38:32.400
I think there were some things he did that sort of were undercutting
00:38:37.340
what President Trump was trying to do when it came to the releasing of documents,
00:38:42.360
So, you know, I kind of put him in the same basket as Nikki Haley,
00:38:45.280
maybe not as bad as her, but cut from the same cloth.
00:38:52.980
Do you think Rubio has the experience of a Pompeo to negotiate with China,
00:39:02.140
President Trump's new best friend, Elon Musk, apparently,
00:39:04.900
is pretty good at negotiating, reportedly speaking,
00:39:08.220
with the ambassadors to Iran to try to see if we can simmer down tensions there
00:39:14.480
Yeah, I don't think that Rubio has the experience that Pompeo has negotiating with China.
00:39:21.000
But I think Rubio will come up to speed very quickly.
00:39:24.820
I mean, I look at Pompeo from, you know, the China perspective.
00:39:28.880
And I understand what you're saying about the domestic stuff,
00:39:41.680
And I think there were other things that he was going to do.
00:39:45.080
But also, the other thing that Pompeo did, which was important,
00:39:50.820
he declared that what China was doing to the Uyghurs,
00:39:54.500
Kazakhs, and other Turkic minorities constituted genocide.
00:39:58.740
And that designation has been kept in place by his successor,
00:40:05.480
And sometimes you need to come out and say those things.
00:40:11.200
And I think Rubio will be able to carry that forward.
00:40:14.860
Because, as I said, Rubio believes these things.
00:40:18.060
And whatever lack of experience he has, he'll make up for it very quickly.
00:40:25.020
Because thinking back now at some of these folks,
00:40:27.660
you had mentioned Antony Blinken, Secretary of State.
00:40:35.480
coming out, making comments that Republicans wanted to close roads,
00:40:39.640
that Puerto Ricans and blacks come across, so they're racist.
00:40:43.180
And then you got the guy Sam Britton from the Pentagon,
00:40:47.500
the transgender, bald guy who was stealing people's luggage.
00:40:51.600
I mean, you can go down a laundry list of all these people
00:40:55.340
You had the fellow at HHS who looked like Mitch McConnell with a wig on.
00:41:02.640
I mean, actually, I don't know why I say transgender.
00:41:05.020
Why you have a man pretending to be a woman over there at HHS when he knows damn well
00:41:12.220
So to talk about qualifications for the Trump Department,
00:41:15.200
every Trump cabinet, they've far exceeded expectations of this prior administration.
00:41:23.620
So everyone, in my opinion, he's picked so far is, I think, well-suited to take the job
00:41:29.920
I'm not all for putting these career politicians, these career bureaucrats in jobs, Gordon.
00:41:36.580
You look at the Pentagon, who we've had running the Pentagon.
00:41:45.960
He's got a career service record in the military, and the left is going absolutely crazy.
00:41:52.460
Because he's never worked in the Pentagon before.
00:41:56.960
These people, Gordon, you have in there, seventh straight audit in a row, Gordon,
00:42:04.080
I told Roger Stone yesterday, him or I could have been put in the Pentagon,
00:42:07.860
and we would have run the place better than it's being run right now.
00:42:12.060
Yeah, I think Pete Hegseth will be great, and there's a lot of reasons.
00:42:17.180
One that we don't focus on is you've got a Pentagon right now that is not meeting recruiting goals,
00:42:22.380
or if it's meeting them, it's dropping their standards.
00:42:25.120
And I think Pete will be really good in getting people to want to join the military once again
00:42:34.180
You know, you've had this crowd under Lloyd Austin.
00:42:39.180
You know, he was a general, but what he did was he undermined our ability to fight.
00:42:44.680
And I think that Hegseth will come in, and as you say, he'll have a fresh eye,
00:42:49.740
he will not be beholden to the interests, and he will do the right thing.
00:42:59.360
Before we get over to Ukraine, I want to talk about the World War III drum being beat over there with Ukraine and Russia.
00:43:05.240
I want to talk a little about Jimmy Lai over in Hong Kong right now, his trial starting over there.
00:43:11.660
And the importance, you know, it shows the world.
00:43:15.520
The media tycoon locked up because he spoke out against Beijing, against Xi Jinping.
00:43:21.560
Xi Jinping wants to talk about democracy, but here he is looking to jail not a political opponent,
00:43:32.180
What do you think this means, Gordon, as we see now this trial go forward for Jimmy Lai?
00:43:37.660
What's happening at this moment is exactly what China didn't want to happen.
00:43:42.240
They didn't want to try Jimmy Lai because they didn't want Jimmy Lai speaking to the people of Hong Kong
00:43:50.400
And, you know, Jimmy has decided that he is absolutely going to do that, and he did it.
00:43:57.080
And so, you know, Beijing right now, I think, is looking for a way to release him.
00:44:07.180
The last thing that they want is for him to die in prison.
00:44:11.100
And so, right now, his trial under the national security law is occurring.
00:44:20.980
But we also remember China is now trying to snuff out all free expression in Hong Kong.
00:44:27.120
Another very important figure, Benny Tai, formerly of the University of Hong Kong,
00:44:34.180
And there were 44 others of the Hong Kong 47 who were just dealt harsh sentences.
00:44:39.100
So this is Beijing going very hard against any sort of expression in Hong Kong.
00:44:50.100
Yeah, and I think if convicted, he faces life in jail.
00:44:53.940
Obviously, anything over 10, 15 years would probably be a death sentence for him anyway.
00:44:59.420
And literally, Jordan, what's the force for speaking up, speaking out against Beijing
00:45:04.300
and their atrocities that they released on their own people, right?
00:45:12.280
Jimmy Lai is one of the bravest people in the world.
00:45:17.680
He chose to stay in Hong Kong and to speak out.
00:45:25.700
Right now, there are a number of heroes in Hong Kong.
00:45:28.460
And the Biden administration didn't do very much to try to free them.
00:45:33.780
I think President Trump, who knows about the case of Jimmy Lai, will do more.
00:45:43.500
Beijing, as I said, probably doesn't want to keep Jimmy.
00:45:46.540
So maybe there's something that we can do here.
00:45:49.580
We pray to God, because it's just unbelievable the things that China does to their people
00:45:54.660
and anyone who speaks out against their dictatorship.
00:45:57.260
But at the end of the day, Gordon, it's the same thing that's happening here in America.
00:46:00.200
It's the same thing that's happening in Venezuela.
00:46:02.000
So we have our own problems, but we pray to God that he makes it out alive of the situation.
00:46:07.380
I want to turn to an issue happening over in Russia and Ukraine.
00:46:12.920
Joe Biden last week allowing Ukraine to launch long-range U.S. missiles into Russia.
00:46:20.580
Russia, the Kremlin accusing Biden of doing everything they can to keep this war going.
00:46:27.540
He wants to start a war before he leaves office, put it on President Trump and say, see you later.
00:46:33.280
U.S. has closed their embassy in Kiev over significant air attack intelligence,
00:46:38.580
meaning Russia is probably going to start sending over some missiles of their own.
00:46:42.900
You and I spoke before the show, and we might be in a disagreeance here.
00:46:48.380
Well, Russia is bringing in North Korean troops, and probably in very substantial numbers.
00:46:56.400
This is a major escalation of the war, and something has to be done.
00:47:01.240
You know, a lot of people say that allowing Ukraine to fire the attack on missiles into Russia is dangerous.
00:47:13.660
And the reason is that everything going forward is dangerous, and the policies that we have in place right now,
00:47:20.480
and if we were to continue them, you know, trying to exercise, quote-unquote, restraint,
00:47:30.060
Got to go back to February 2022 when Putin was threatening to use his nuclear weapons,
00:47:41.160
Now Putin has continued to threaten to use his nukes.
00:47:44.920
And no matter what we do, unless we are willing to give up all of Europe to Russia,
00:47:50.980
allow Russia to annex Ukraine, Poland, France, Germany,
00:47:55.540
we are going to at one point have to say to Putin,
00:47:59.440
we will not be intimidated by your threats to use nuclear weapons.
00:48:03.320
I think that we stand up earlier rather than later.
00:48:09.060
But the point is, unless you want Russia to rule the world,
00:48:14.620
he's going to make those threats until someone stops him.
00:48:19.900
But Ukraine, Gorin, the way I see it is there's no winning way for Ukraine forward.
00:48:32.240
I mean, we're going into dead season now, Gordon.
00:48:40.140
Kamala Harris just flew down to Hawaii with Doug Emhoff.
00:48:43.220
I mean, why couldn't he just wait and leave it to Trump to,
00:48:48.060
nothing's going to significantly change between Ukraine and Russia in the next month or so.
00:48:51.520
Why couldn't Biden just sit back, relax, and say,
00:48:55.660
President Trump, you said you're going to end this war.
00:48:59.800
Well, I think that Biden's policy should have been substantially different from the beginning of
00:49:04.540
And if he were tougher and if he were to show some moral fortitude,
00:49:08.920
there would never have been an invasion of Ukraine.
00:49:11.780
But the answer to your question about why now is because Russia, with North Korean troops,
00:49:18.580
is about to launch a counteroffensive in the Kursk region, as well as other places.
00:49:24.340
And so there was, I think, a point where something had to be done at this particular time.
00:49:29.980
I'm not defending Biden policy because I think that he opened the door to this invasion.
00:49:36.080
But right now, considering the dire situation, we've got to do something.
00:49:42.500
You know, one other thing, and that is we had the Buddha, we signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994.
00:49:54.720
If Russia absorbs Ukraine, then the rest of the world is going to develop nukes on their own,
00:50:01.320
because they're going to say that the word of the United States means nothing.
00:50:04.880
They can't rely on us, which means we're essentially we're going to have a lot of countries around the world,
00:50:13.000
That endangers American security in a way that we can't imagine.
00:50:17.340
So although a lot of people will say, and I can understand the arguments,
00:50:21.840
the point is we have got some really bad choices and we got to make the least bad option.
00:50:28.120
I want to get your take on one last thing here, because you brought up nuclear weapons.
00:50:31.780
President Trump, his first term in office towards the end, he looked towards denuclearizing the world,
00:50:37.700
and he was apparently discussing that with Russia and other nations who have nuclear capabilities.
00:50:48.240
Do you think it's a bad idea that we just go back and revert to a good old war,
00:50:53.560
ground wars and missiles and not have to go nuclear and ruin the whole world?
00:51:01.240
But a really short way of looking at it is that the United States is the most powerful nation on Earth.
00:51:08.380
If nobody had nuclear weapons, we would be even more powerful than we are now,
00:51:13.200
because a country with just 20 nukes, country with just one nuke, equalizes the power of the United States.
00:51:26.660
The problem right now is you can't denuclearize the world in when it's on the edge of catastrophe.
00:51:31.820
We have used our nuclear umbrella to protect our friends.
00:51:36.100
If we don't have it, we have to have a military which is four or five times larger than it is now.
00:51:43.880
So nuclear weapons are the ones that keep peace.
00:51:51.200
I don't think we should change our policies at this particular moment.
00:51:54.820
If Trump can negotiate something different, then we can think about it.
00:51:58.780
But right now, this is one of the most perilous moments, perhaps the most consequential moment in history.
00:52:04.760
Yeah, I think we're going to see a lot of change coming over the next few months with Joe Biden leaving office.
00:52:08.680
He couldn't have done any more destruction than he did, Gordon, in my opinion, when it came to America, when it came to the Middle East, when it came to our southern border.
00:52:20.180
He's been called everything because he wants to secure a border.
00:52:22.700
We now look at Sweden is going to limit citizenship to those who share fundamental values.
00:52:28.540
I wonder if the prime minister over there is going to be called a racist or a xenophobe for wanting to secure their country from people who may not be good actors.
00:52:39.880
Gordon Chang, the book is Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.
00:52:46.280
Gordon, your final thoughts for the world, for America.
00:53:01.940
Biden, whether it was intentional or negligent or whatever, took our country down.
00:53:11.220
I believe, and not everyone is a Christian or a believer, but I believe that God intervened.
00:53:20.720
And for anyone who disagrees with that, go ahead and look at that rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, where President Trump went like this and a bullet went like this.
00:53:29.260
If you guys don't have faith when you look at something like that, then you probably never will.
00:53:36.160
Gordon Chang, once again, the book is Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America, available on Amazon, wherever you get your books.
00:53:49.240
Yes, and you, too, John, and thank you so much.
00:53:52.080
Thanks, everybody, for being with us today here on The Great America Show.
00:53:54.800
We hope to see you back here tomorrow as our quest for truth, justice, and the American way continues.
00:54:00.180
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00:54:03.720
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00:54:11.700
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