The Great America Show - THE CALL FOR FBI REFORM; DEMS UNDERMINE FAIR ELECTIONS

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.

00:00:09.220 And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.

00:00:14.400 Hello, everybody, and great to have you with us on another beautiful day in America.

00:00:19.600 It's a beautiful day, but admittedly, it's not a perfect day.

00:00:23.440 And it won't be until number 45 and number 47 are returned to office.

00:00:29.280 President Biden's approval numbers are at the low of his presidency.

00:00:34.260 Biden has a horrific approval rating in the latest Quinnipiac poll.

00:00:38.960 Only 33% of Americans now approve of the job he's doing, a third.

00:00:44.740 And among independents, Biden's approval is even lower, only 25% approve.

00:00:51.920 All Mr. Biden seems to want to do is destroy our federalist system of government

00:00:56.940 to nationalize our electoral system and public schools and control it all from Washington.

00:01:04.400 Possess dictatorial powers of fiat and decree over American citizens,

00:01:09.300 as he has with his mandates on the Wuhan virus.

00:01:12.920 He wants to bankrupt the federal government, open wide our borders to any and all forever.

00:01:18.820 And fortunately for America, we have a lion in the U.S. Senate,

00:01:23.360 defending our Constitution, our freedoms, and bringing knowledge and rationality

00:01:27.740 to every issue that the Senate addresses.

00:01:31.400 I'm referring to Senator Rand Paul, of course,

00:01:34.180 who continues to hold the not-so-good Dr. Anthony Fauci accountable

00:01:38.800 for his misstatements, his untruths, for his deceptions, and often peculiar perspectives.

00:01:47.520 Senator Rand Paul is fearless in his defense of the American way,

00:01:51.320 and he is the essential senator.

00:01:53.600 He joins us today here on The Great America Show.

00:01:56.760 Senator, great to have you with us.

00:01:59.000 Thanks, Lou.

00:01:59.440 Thanks for having me.

00:02:00.060 The contest, the confrontation, your grilling of Dr. Fauci,

00:02:06.900 of course, making headlines across the country, perhaps the world.

00:02:11.260 He is a difficult man from whom to elicit a straightforward answer,

00:02:17.140 even to a sitting U.S. senator.

00:02:19.940 Your reaction on your exchange with Dr. Fauci?

00:02:25.480 You know, he's an expert at the games of Washington.

00:02:28.160 He's the consummate politician, but you might expect more from a so-called scientist.

00:02:33.660 We're paying him over $400,000 a year, and I ask him, I think, an important question.

00:02:39.080 Is it an abuse of your office to spend time at work, spend salary and your office expenses

00:02:46.140 to try to take down your enemies, to have an enemies list?

00:02:49.400 It doesn't really conjure up images of a dispassionate scientist.

00:02:53.960 So what he did, and Francis Collins, is they conspired together to bring down three prominent

00:03:00.340 epidemiologists who went to Stanford or teach at Stanford, Oxford, and Harvard.

00:03:06.640 It seems really kind of unseemly, but this is what they chose to do.

00:03:10.220 We're going to take them down.

00:03:11.720 We're going to brand them as fringe epidemiologists.

00:03:15.240 And so I asked him that question, and his response was basically to say, how dare you?

00:03:19.300 You know, he basically said, I am science, and those who question me are questioning science.

00:03:26.280 It got even worse.

00:03:27.340 He then said, if you questioned him, that you were fomenting violence against him.

00:03:32.440 And I really object to that.

00:03:33.740 As someone who has suffered at the hands of people shooting at me, attacking me, sending

00:03:39.080 white powder to my wife and I in the mail, I object to him sort of trying to blame his

00:03:44.360 problems on me or the problems of some demented person on me.

00:03:48.140 But we didn't ever get to the answer to the question.

00:03:51.140 He never would answer the question.

00:03:53.020 He wouldn't answer the question.

00:03:54.840 He wouldn't answer a number of those questions, and all of them important to the American people.

00:03:59.820 Right now, without Senator Paul in the U.S. Senate, folks, we wouldn't be even hearing the

00:04:06.820 questions, let alone getting answers.

00:04:09.220 And Senator Paul has elicited answers.

00:04:12.860 And amongst those answers is the role of the Wuhan laboratory that was ground zero for the 0.77

00:04:22.860 epidemic.

00:04:23.360 But yet here we are two years later, and we still do not have from our intelligence services

00:04:29.680 or from our public health officials who, in part, actually funded part of the operations

00:04:36.220 in that Wuhan lab.

00:04:37.960 We don't have answers to very basic questions.

00:04:40.860 The origin of the COVID-19 virus.

00:04:44.100 But we do know some things.

00:04:46.020 And some of this came up in the hearing.

00:04:47.480 And Dr. Marshall brought up some important points.

00:04:50.040 But there's an incredibly important point that has been lost and sloughed over by the mainstream

00:04:54.460 media.

00:04:55.380 When this virus first came out, all of Dr. Fauci's friends wrote him emails, virtually

00:05:01.280 all of them, prominent virologists, immunologists, geneticists.

00:05:05.080 They all wrote him notes, emails within hours after the discovery of this saying, oh, my God,

00:05:11.160 saying, oh, my goodness, the RNA sequence of the genome of this virus looks like something

00:05:18.340 called a furin cleavage site.

00:05:20.640 What does that mean?

00:05:21.320 It's a special sequence of DNA that codes for the ability to infect human cells easily.

00:05:29.540 Why is this important?

00:05:31.460 It's never been found in nature before.

00:05:33.600 Coronavirus has typically come from bats.

00:05:35.900 But this special site had never been found.

00:05:39.100 Why were they alarmed?

00:05:40.560 Because two years before, and Dr. Fauci knows this and covered this up, he was informed that

00:05:47.840 the Chinese government wanted money to study how to put this furin cleavage site that we

00:05:53.580 now know is in COVID, how to stick that in viruses to combine and make new viruses.

00:05:59.020 So we know the Chinese wanted to do this.

00:06:01.640 And the only implication that is probably to come from this is that's probably what they

00:06:06.560 did.

00:06:07.780 But this was covered up.

00:06:09.240 And many of Dr. Fauci's associates were saying, look, this doesn't look like it came from

00:06:13.980 nature.

00:06:14.380 It looks like it came from a lab.

00:06:15.800 This is what they asked to do in 2018.

00:06:17.800 Now it looks like they've done it.

00:06:19.420 And how did Dr. Fauci respond?

00:06:21.940 And Dr. Collins.

00:06:23.200 To cover it up, they said there will be an attack on science.

00:06:26.880 There will be distrust of China.

00:06:28.720 There will be distrust of the institutions of government.

00:06:31.860 So they decided to cover it up.

00:06:33.980 This is one of the biggest cover-ups ever to happen in our country.

00:06:37.140 And it happened.

00:06:38.300 And the facts are there.

00:06:39.780 And yet, what do we get from Fauci now?

00:06:42.520 He's hitting back with personal attacks and not answering the questions.

00:06:46.820 And again, thank you for the questions you're asking and the rationality that you were bringing

00:06:52.840 to the issue in Washington, D.C.

00:06:57.320 Senator Paul, I want to support part of what you said with my own experience as a journalist

00:07:04.500 and an opinion journalist, unquestionably, but as a journalist in the early days of 2020.

00:07:11.460 I'm talking about January, late January, February, and March.

00:07:15.640 I was talking with a number of the most prominent public health doctors and virologists and to

00:07:23.960 a person, not one acknowledged that he had been, and they were all male, had been in China,

00:07:31.640 that they were in any way working with the Chinese, either representing U.S. public health

00:07:37.760 services or the NIH.

00:07:42.480 The fact is, I discovered three of them, and I won't go into their names here right now.

00:07:48.440 Three of them knew about the coronavirus in advance of any public knowledge of it.

00:07:56.900 Secondly, they did not disclose that they had been working with the Chinese in the immediate

00:08:03.060 preceding year.

00:08:05.160 And the closeness of the relationship between our virologists, immunologists, and the Chinese

00:08:14.620 is stunning, still stunning to me.

00:08:18.060 And it's not really well understood.

00:08:20.940 And the reason this is important, it isn't just about attaching blame.

00:08:24.840 I think blame is important. 0.85

00:08:26.180 This pandemic has killed over 5 million people.

00:08:29.400 But it's not just about blame.

00:08:31.120 It's about trying to prevent this from ever happening again.

00:08:34.180 So the way I envision this, and I think it's incredibly important who wins elections,

00:08:38.180 is that if we are to take over, if I'm to be the chairman of a committee,

00:08:41.740 I will use the subpoena power to get to the bottom of this.

00:08:45.060 I think the evidence exists.

00:08:46.920 But it's not just of what happened.

00:08:48.960 It's trying to prevent this from happening again.

00:08:51.860 I think taxpayer dollars should not go to research that creates viruses that don't exist in nature

00:08:58.840 that are potentially lethal.

00:09:01.060 And I don't think we should be doing that.

00:09:02.520 In fact, I would go further than just domestic laws.

00:09:05.480 I think we should convene.

00:09:06.820 And I will advocate for an international treaty of civilized nations to come forward and say,

00:09:12.800 you know what?

00:09:13.520 We lost 5 million last year.

00:09:15.620 This disrupted economies worldwide.

00:09:18.360 What if this were a virus that's created in a lab that had 15% mortality?

00:09:23.100 This one, as bad as it was, was closer to 1% mortality.

00:09:26.780 What if it were 15% or 50%? 0.65

00:09:29.920 My goodness, we shouldn't be funding this research.

00:09:32.540 And what amazes me is there are scientists saying the same thing I'm saying,

00:09:37.220 who are not partisan Republicans, who are not involved in politics at all.

00:09:41.740 Some of them have been professors for decades talking about the danger of this research.

00:09:46.280 I think if we had an objective hearing that we could hear fully from scientists on both sides of this,

00:09:52.580 and really, I think people would be alarmed to know that not only did this probably come from a lab,

00:09:58.320 there's a chance that this could happen again.

00:10:00.320 Yes, and I think that we have to recognize that there's a very good chance,

00:10:05.080 because, again, communist China remains opaque to the West,

00:10:10.500 and no one should underestimate how committed they are to secrecy

00:10:14.600 and never releasing anything that would enlarge the public's knowledge about all that transpired,

00:10:23.040 because they have great liability, and they have great culpability.

00:10:27.220 Obviously, they are the origin of this deadly disease that was unleashed on the world,

00:10:32.640 and then the world did not receive a warning from the Chinese, but their people did. 0.69

00:10:38.740 I want to turn to something else that you've raised,

00:10:41.800 and that is your judgment that there's a 90% probability that COVID indeed did originate in that Wuhan lab

00:10:48.180 and was engineered.

00:10:49.960 I can recall talking to a number of doctors in early 2020,

00:10:55.440 in which they said it was clearly not engineered, because it didn't kill everyone.

00:11:01.360 And I thought to myself, well, wait a minute.

00:11:03.640 That would be a very wise choice on the part of the Chinese, 1.00

00:11:07.240 if they're weaponizing the virus, to not kill everyone,

00:11:10.280 just simply make them sick and have it at least depart from the usual appearance of a bioweapon.

00:11:21.300 Your thoughts?

00:11:22.480 Well, the thing is, is a virus can be engineered, but not intentional.

00:11:26.640 So I think that they engineered it on purpose,

00:11:29.400 and they were trying to experiment with things that could kill humans.

00:11:32.400 I don't believe, really, that they released it on purpose.

00:11:35.680 I think it probably was an accidental release.

00:11:37.660 I think people in their lab got sick and spread it to other people.

00:11:41.420 It could have been done on purpose.

00:11:42.900 I think if you were going to do it on purpose, though,

00:11:45.260 you'd probably be a little more careful about taking it to another country

00:11:48.300 other than having it start in your country.

00:11:50.520 So I think things point towards it being accidental,

00:11:52.820 but it wasn't accidental that they were working on this research.

00:11:56.420 And the thing is, it's pretty clear they have done this type of research

00:11:59.460 and that they've been reckless.

00:12:01.040 And really, this is not the first time things have leaked from labs.

00:12:04.120 There's five or six other times, I believe, that they've had leaks,

00:12:08.120 either in Beijing or in Wuhan, that have started epidemics.

00:12:12.400 So I think there's ample evidence and precedent that this did

00:12:16.440 and could have come from the lab.

00:12:17.860 The strongest evidence that it's not from nature is this.

00:12:21.200 They tested 80,000 animals in the wet markets.

00:12:24.140 This is where they sell these exotic animals, fresh meat in the markets in Wuhan.

00:12:28.940 They tested 80,000 animals, and none of them had COVID.

00:12:31.460 They also tested the blood of 9,000 Chinese folks, many of them from Wuhan, from 2019.

00:12:39.420 And they found that none of them had COVID.

00:12:41.920 If this came gradually from animals,

00:12:44.140 you would expect a few humans to have started popping up throughout 2019.

00:12:48.720 And the fact that these blood samples from people who had the flu in 2019 in China were negative,

00:12:54.300 this is an argument against this coming gradually from animals

00:12:57.460 and an argument more than it came abruptly from a lab.

00:13:00.100 And then the final sort of evidence that's very strong is that this virus has a special attaching site

00:13:08.260 that is identical to the site the Chinese wanted us to fund in 2018.

00:13:14.220 Now, we didn't fund the research, and so Fauci says, hey, we didn't fund it.

00:13:17.920 But the fact that they were asking us to fund it means that they were involved in this research,

00:13:22.220 so they just wanted some more of our money.

00:13:23.620 And so the fact that we didn't fund it doesn't mean they didn't do that research.

00:13:28.040 And lo and behold, when we look at COVID, the virus that's causing the pandemic,

00:13:32.140 it has that furin cleavage site, this attachment site that is not found in nature.

00:13:38.180 So, so much of the evidence points towards the lab that people who are saying that if you believe it came from the lab,

00:13:45.860 you're a conspiracy theorist, that's not science.

00:13:48.740 Those are politicians trying to do a cover-up, and these were Fauci people. 0.94

00:13:53.060 He was talking to them privately by email.

00:13:55.220 They're telling him they think it came from the lab, and he's saying, oh, no, we have to do something.

00:13:59.340 And so they immediately began this cover-up.

00:14:01.260 I believe it's one of the most elaborate orchestrated cover-ups in the history of science.

00:14:06.840 Senator, I know that you're under a crushing schedule today, and we appreciate your time.

00:14:12.020 I want to just the final question here, the revelation that the Department of Justice has unveiled new domestic terror unit in the department,

00:14:23.880 and the revelation that the United States Army will be conducting a two-week, what is called guerrilla war training exercise in North Carolina

00:14:33.380 to drill our special forces on how to overthrow, quote, an illegitimate government.

00:14:41.840 That sounds like the most, to me, illegal objective that we could place on our military,

00:14:49.120 and an absolute piece of psyops warfare on the part of the Department of Justice to create this new domestic terror unit.

00:15:00.620 I'd like to get your reaction.

00:15:01.920 Well, it reminds me of my father, 2001, warning that when they say they're going after terrorists,

00:15:09.180 they may use these laws against you.

00:15:10.920 When he warned that the Patriot Act would be turned on its head and would be used against its own people,

00:15:15.480 he worried about this.

00:15:16.860 When they talked about having fusion centers, and they set these up around the country back in the early 2000s,

00:15:22.540 they were for terrorists to see one, know one, report them,

00:15:25.880 but they also listed as potential terrorists people who had pro-life bumper stickers, Ron Paul bumper stickers,

00:15:31.920 constitutionalist bumper stickers, Patriot bumper stickers, that these were people that you should report to the authorities.

00:15:38.700 It's incredibly dangerous.

00:15:40.960 What happened to President Trump in his campaign?

00:15:44.000 The anti-terrorism legislation, the foreign intelligence court that's supposed to go after foreigners,

00:15:49.300 was used for the first time against a presidential candidate.

00:15:52.740 Unfortunately, nobody on the left came leaping back to the civil liberties because they hated Trump so much.

00:15:57.840 But this is a big deal, the worst abuse of civil liberties ever, and now they're talking about using it against parents.

00:16:04.720 This should upset everyone.

00:16:06.300 We need overall reform of the FBI.

00:16:09.000 We need new blood, new rules, and we can't expect them to police themselves.

00:16:13.760 There has to be legislation.

00:16:15.840 I've offered the legislation that FISA, the foreign intelligence court, should only deal with foreigners.

00:16:21.000 If you're an American, you get to go to an American court with a lawyer, with notification, with the ability to appeal.

00:16:28.020 In the secret courts, you don't get a lawyer.

00:16:29.920 You often are not notified you're even charged of something.

00:16:32.740 You're sometimes told if you're charged, you're not allowed to tell anybody,

00:16:35.320 or they'll put you in jail for telling someone that's not justice.

00:16:38.700 If you live over in another country and you're an enemy, that's one thing.

00:16:42.000 But in the United States, we should use the Constitution.

00:16:44.640 And now there's something called the January 6th Committee, a partisan left-wing inquiry, if you will.

00:16:53.080 That's a gentle word for what they're doing.

00:16:55.980 We are watching the abuse of civil rights and, frankly, the Constitution almost daily in Washington, D.C.

00:17:04.220 Senator, I thank you for being with us today.

00:17:06.780 I wish you all the very best.

00:17:08.460 Thank you so much, and keep up the great work, if you would.

00:17:11.480 Thank you.

00:17:12.420 Thank you.

00:17:12.780 Senator Rand Paul, a great American.

00:17:15.920 Coming up next on The Great America Show, the president of one of the country's preeminent

00:17:20.500 government watchdog groups, Judicial Watch.

00:17:23.900 Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch have sued to gain access to all of the CIA communications

00:17:29.540 between the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the CIA, specifically targeting President Donald Trump.

00:17:37.400 And we all know that President Biden's disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan caused untold loss of life and global embarrassment for the president and the White House.

00:17:48.120 But we also know that Biden's decision to leave billions of dollars of weapons, vehicles and aircraft in Afghanistan has not been tallied.

00:17:59.120 All of those pieces of equipment and weapons are in the hands now of the Taliban, of course.

00:18:04.820 So why and just how much equipment did the U.S.

00:18:09.240 military leave in Afghanistan?

00:18:11.020 We still don't know.

00:18:12.540 And the White House and Pentagon are covering up the total loss and waste.

00:18:17.720 Judicial Watch is suing the State Department for their records about Afghanistan payments and the subsequent cover up.

00:18:24.580 Here now, Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

00:18:27.500 Tom, great to have you with us.

00:18:29.560 You're suing for that information so that we actually have an understanding of the payments, the purpose and the total loss to the United States.

00:18:40.680 Where do we stand?

00:18:43.060 Well, they're in cover up mode.

00:18:44.780 I mean, we exposed.

00:18:46.520 Actually, they gave us the documents.

00:18:48.440 And, you know, when someone gives you documents like the ones we obtained, it usually means because they're angry.

00:18:55.020 And in this case, it was a special inspector general for, I think it was Afghan Reconstruction, who gave us documents about a month or so ago that showed that he objected to Biden's State Department demands that they take down reports related to the issues we're talking about.

00:19:12.920 Just how much did we spend?

00:19:14.500 What equipment was there?

00:19:15.580 What sort of money were we spending?

00:19:16.920 The sorts of reports that would allow us to understand just how devastating the surrender to the Taliban, Biden's decisions were.

00:19:26.460 And on top of that, in those documents, it shows that they removed over 400 reports about our spending and activities in Afghanistan as a result of Biden administration's efforts.

00:19:41.040 So you had this massive censorship of the catalog of monies spent and wasted in Afghanistan by the Biden administration.

00:19:53.280 And on top of that, we want to know what sort of money they were given to the Taliban after the surrender.

00:20:00.740 What was going on?

00:20:02.220 So we have two separate lawsuits against the State Department.

00:20:05.100 So we already know there's a cover-up because the censorship's been unprecedented.

00:20:10.000 And now there's a cover-up of the cover-up.

00:20:12.700 And, you know, Congress is completely AWOL on this.

00:20:16.460 The media doesn't believe that anything that happens yesterday is news, especially since they've got this kind of radical extremist left-wing agenda.

00:20:25.980 And, you know, the organized left are enemies of history and memory because, you know, that means there's accountability for what they did in the past, and they don't want that.

00:20:37.040 So this is what we're able to do, and it's essential that we're able to do, which is to go to court and get the accountability the American people desire for that deadly surrender.

00:20:48.740 I mean, heck, there are still Americans stuck there.

00:20:51.860 And no one is even reporting on it.

00:20:55.040 No one is talking about it, at least of all, of course, President Biden and his staff at the White House.

00:21:01.660 It's, I don't know, you know, compare, if you will, the lack of transparency to the last two or three administrations.

00:21:14.620 This seems to me to be the worst.

00:21:16.620 And I thought the Obama administration was pretty bad, but this is awful.

00:21:22.020 Well, in some ways, the Trump administration wasn't good at all at the agency level.

00:21:25.400 I mean, you and I have discussed many times about their failures to disclose information.

00:21:31.840 And, I mean, heck, you had the Trump administration's appointees fighting with Republicans in Congress about information on Obama corruption.

00:21:40.500 They were hiding that.

00:21:43.280 Personally, though, and this is something the media will never admit, that Trump, President Trump, was personally the most transparent president in American history.

00:21:53.360 Right.

00:21:53.840 And that's why they hated him, because he talked about what he was thinking and what he was doing, what he was planning.

00:22:00.300 And it sometimes politically didn't work out for him, but at least he was transparent.

00:22:04.540 Well, Tom.

00:22:04.780 Now, with the Biden administration, you got the worst, you know, you have a president who is addled and an administration that has zero regard for transparency on these corruption issues.

00:22:17.120 Well, as you know, I don't believe there's anyone more supportive of President Trump than me.

00:22:23.640 I, you know, I, you know, I, but I still, I begrudge the fact he was not transparent on two issues.

00:22:31.780 One, releasing all of the UFO files.

00:22:35.860 He chose not to do that.

00:22:38.520 And secondly, we still don't have the paperwork and the documents and the history, the complete history of the JFK assassination.

00:22:48.980 I was very hopeful that he would take care of those two historical cover ups.

00:22:56.200 But I was disappointed in the end.

00:22:59.820 And I'm only half kidding here.

00:23:02.060 Yeah, I hear you on that.

00:23:03.200 And, you know, my view is that if you want something done, you've got to do it yourself.

00:23:10.540 And if you think it's in the public interest that documents be released, we pay the president to do that and to make those decisions.

00:23:18.960 And he should recognize that, and I'm sure he does generally recognize this now, you can't defer to even your own appointees on this because they're often hijacked by the Mandarins in the deep state. 0.95

00:23:34.520 Oh, we can't release this.

00:23:36.600 It would, you know, cause national security issues or we have to protect our rights here.

00:23:41.900 And it's all just politics.

00:23:43.880 And, you know, I hope there are lessons learned for the next, for the next term of President Trump or any other president coming in.

00:23:51.340 You know, the irony here is, Lou, it used to be liberals were in favor of transparency and some are still are.

00:23:58.640 So to me, like government transparency ought to be a nonpartisan issue.

00:24:04.520 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:24:05.420 And I think that every American should be demanding complete, complete records for any historical event like the assassination of JFK.

00:24:15.840 How in the world can you rationalize denying the American people their right to know?

00:24:23.520 And it's administration after administration.

00:24:27.160 And I really think that we're having a bit of a renaissance, an awakening in this country.

00:24:33.100 Because we know now that everything, almost everything that President Trump said about this president and his candidate was true.

00:24:45.360 He is inept.

00:24:46.720 He's incompetent.

00:24:48.560 He is, I mean, his approval ratings now are at 33% for crying out loud.

00:24:53.180 Independents approve of this man by a mark by 25%.

00:24:58.800 These are historic lows by any judgment.

00:25:04.860 And it goes on and on.

00:25:06.300 And one of the reasons that we so enthusiastically support Judicial Watch is all the work you do to extract, extricate knowledge from the behemoth that is the federal government.

00:25:20.200 Yeah, you know, and that's the reason I support Judicial Watch, too.

00:25:24.380 And I say that half jokingly.

00:25:26.000 But, you know, obviously, I'm the president of Judicial Watch.

00:25:28.920 I love the work we do.

00:25:30.520 But, you know, as a citizen, I'm like, oh, my gosh, thank God for Judicial Watch.

00:25:34.940 Well, absolutely.

00:25:36.560 So it's, and even better, thank God others are now stepping up.

00:25:43.780 Right.

00:25:44.020 Our friends Project Veritas.

00:25:45.980 Right.

00:25:46.560 Parents at the local level using FOIA to uncover what their school boards are up to in terms of CRT.

00:25:52.460 It's, it's been, I tell you, I take such solace.

00:25:58.600 I was at it, I was at an event at a, at a hotel the, not too long ago.

00:26:04.740 And just a regular employee, you know, gave me the thumbs up and, and English was not his first language.

00:26:13.080 And he said, Judicial Watch, you know, FOIA.

00:26:15.640 Yeah.

00:26:16.600 And I'm like, my gosh, you know, if, if regular folks now understand FOIA, that used to be a term of art here in Washington, D.C.

00:26:26.580 I mean, we've come a long way in terms of educating the public about accountability, that, you know, the politics and public policy fights.

00:26:34.940 But reminding Americans they have a right to know about what their government is up to is, makes it all worth it.

00:26:41.340 I, absolutely.

00:26:42.320 And without your energy and enthusiasm to reveal all of that information, the country would be in even, I think, even more trouble than it already is.

00:26:58.260 I want, I want to talk to you as well about the, the Judicial Watch suit to, to get the FBI records over the Garland, Merrick Garland, the Attorney General Merrick Garland's memo, targeting parents, particularly at school board meetings.

00:27:17.900 Where does that stand?

00:27:19.020 Well, the FBI is in cover-up mode.

00:27:23.000 I mean, you know, I joke, the resting state of the deep state is secrecy.

00:27:27.280 And, you know, to bring people up to date, it's now been confirmed that the Biden White House, the Secretary of Education, the Biden appointee,

00:27:33.880 used to cut out this National School Boards Association to send a complaint to the Justice Department accusing Americans opposing CRT and the school's parents exercising their God-given First Amendment rights,

00:27:47.140 comparing them to domestic terrorists and trying to use the Patriot Act against them.

00:27:51.880 Garland immediately issued a letter saying, oh, a statement, we're going to push this, ordered the FBI to get on board.

00:27:58.800 And they began their, their, their, their anti-terrorist activities against Americans who had the temerity to oppose President Biden's CRT agenda at the local, state, and national level.

00:28:12.100 So let me see if I've got this right, Tom, because this sounds so familiar.

00:28:17.540 Instead of the fake dossier being created by the Hillary Clinton campaign, the DNC, and Christine, we have the Department of Education urging the creation of this statement about domestic terrorists from the school boards.

00:28:42.100 And that becomes a basis for now a Justice Department investigation and creation of a new unit, just as that dossier became the basis for a phony special counsel investigation of the president.

00:28:56.720 Am I correct in seeing the analog there between the two?

00:28:59.720 Right. And you could see how the germ germinated into the craziness of expanding the investigations and the targeting to millions of Americans.

00:29:11.840 You know, it's designed to intimidate people.

00:29:14.360 I mean, Garland's initial memo was just a month before the Virginia elections.

00:29:17.520 And, you know, the whole parent school board issue was a hot issue then.

00:29:22.300 And, you know, what's interesting is I learned separately, Judicial Watch learned separately that Ray shortly thereafter was making a presentation.

00:29:29.860 He and a colleague, I think his number two, went out and told some folks that Justice Department didn't consult with us beforehand.

00:29:39.440 We are not interested in suppressing the First Amendment, we're only going to investigate violence.

00:29:45.780 Now, taking Ray's dishonesty and disingenuousness aside, it's pretty clear he was distancing himself from Garland's operation.

00:29:55.180 So that's why we're asking for the documents.

00:29:58.400 We want to know what's going on.

00:30:00.260 We want to know if the FBI is again being misused to target political enemies of the left Democrat establishment that's running this city.

00:30:09.820 There seems to be.

00:30:12.500 We need the evidence that you can provide and create.

00:30:16.120 I would love to see a congressional investigation, but that's not going to happen under the powers and control of the radical Dems.

00:30:24.180 But Merrick Garland, he turns out to be quite a venal partisan, whether it is targeting parents and going along with, or if he is not indeed the author of, the Department of Education secretary urging the school board association to basically write the letter they did.

00:30:48.620 And he is, I mean, he is absolutely a partisan who's weaponized further an already politicized Justice Department.

00:30:59.640 Is he not?

00:31:01.220 He sure is.

00:31:02.300 And, I mean, he had a reputation for being a somewhat sensible judge on the bench, but obviously he's an activist.

00:31:11.240 And, you know, as you're talking, Lou, it occurs to me, where are all those Justice Department figures resigning in protest over Garland's politicization of the Justice Department?

00:31:20.120 Isn't that interesting?

00:31:21.540 Yeah, definitely.

00:31:22.480 You know, those agencies are thoroughly corrupted, and as I've told you before, and I've told, you know, I've often observed, the Justice Department and the FBI, they have thousands of James Comeys.

00:31:36.940 Thousands of James Comeys.

00:31:38.120 That's a frightening thought.

00:31:39.840 My good Lord.

00:31:41.600 At least he's been quiet for a period here.

00:31:47.800 That in and of itself is some relief.

00:31:52.000 But Merrick Garland, going back to the announcement that they're creating a domestic terror unit as a result of all of this PSYOPs operation that they're obviously running from the White House.

00:32:06.380 But a PSYOPs campaign against the American people, a persistent and evolving threat, as it's called by the folks after January 6th, they said, a persistent and evolving threat.

00:32:20.440 What in the hell does that mean?

00:32:23.020 It means nothing.

00:32:24.580 How many domestic terrorists have been arrested?

00:32:27.760 And what is their relationship?

00:32:29.780 And what is the threat to the U.S. government?

00:32:32.200 It's poppycock, and it's pure nonsense, and they think they can pull this off because the left-wing, national, corporate-owned media is right there with them.

00:32:45.420 Well, you know, and legally, I don't even know what domestic terrorism means.

00:32:49.840 I mean, terrorism typically is individuals engaged in acts on behalf of a foreign government or entity.

00:32:56.840 Right.

00:32:57.960 And, you know, the domestic version of that, people, Americans engaged in violence for political purposes, you know, that's insurrection.

00:33:06.900 Yep.

00:33:07.560 So, you know, look, they're just using words or misusing terms for propaganda purposes to tarnish their political opposition and more dangerously intimidate them.

00:33:23.380 And, you know, and worst of all, there are people who are going to be prosecuted and investigated and harassed who are otherwise innocent Americans exercising their, as I say, God-given First Amendment rights to petition their government and speak out on policy matters.

00:33:40.780 Yeah, you know, we don't know the involvement of the role of the FBI and its role in the January 6th demonstrations and the incitement for some, what, 500 or 600 people to then enter the Capitol in some form of riot.

00:34:00.840 But, as Senator Marco Rubio said, you know, it's hard to take seriously, it was an insurrection when they're being led by a man with a Viking cap and a Speedo.

00:34:11.660 But it is what it is.

00:34:13.840 They did commit crimes.

00:34:15.740 But all, nearly all of the judgments that have been handed down in the federal court system so far of the, what is it, 600, 700 people, you know, most, nearly all of them are misdemeanors.

00:34:30.620 So they've been overcharged to begin with by these aggressive left-wing prosecutors that inhabit the swamp in Washington, D.C., and they're at their mercy.

00:34:42.980 Your thoughts on that?

00:34:44.300 Well, I think we're facing a rural law crisis because the Justice Department has little credibility with a good portion of the population, and therefore all prosecutions should be on our suspect.

00:34:57.660 And, you know, it doesn't mean the Justice Department doesn't have the authority and the right and the duty to prosecute certain crimes, but when they politicize the process, it undermines confidence in the fair administration of justice.

00:35:09.180 And we had a court recently because one of the January 6th defendants were saying, look how they're treating us versus look how they treated the Portland rioters.

00:35:19.040 Right.

00:35:19.200 And the judge says, look, you know, you're still going to get prosecuted.

00:35:21.380 Or the Kenosha rioters or the Milwaukee.

00:35:24.260 I mean, the list goes on.

00:35:26.040 Right.

00:35:26.260 And the judge says, well, you know, nice try, but certainly there are significant questions about even-handed justice when one looks at the way the Portland rioters were treated versus the January 6 rioters.

00:35:40.040 Right.

00:35:40.920 And by the way, in the Northwest, we just saw another habitual demonstrator who was charged with striking a federal officer who just got probation, no jail time at all, and did everything but dismiss the charges.

00:36:00.280 It goes on and on.

00:36:01.880 We have left-wing activists sitting as district court judges in much of this country right now.

00:36:07.120 We have left-wing activists serving as district attorneys, whether it's Portland, whether it is Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Philadelphia, the list goes on.

00:36:20.080 They're not prosecuting.

00:36:22.020 And police departments are unraveling around the country.

00:36:25.780 People don't want to talk about it.

00:36:27.260 But our police departments are in chaos, and this is a threat to their lives on the streets that they patrol and keep safe for all of us.

00:36:38.960 It's a national crisis, and it's brought to you by the radical Democrat Party, the left-wing crazed puppet president.

00:36:49.640 And we don't know who's pulling Biden's strings, but we do know one thing.

00:36:55.320 He is a puppet in this farce, and it's a deadly, deadly piece of theater.

00:37:01.780 Well, and on top of that, you have Congress, the Pelosi, as I call it, the Pelosi-Rump January 6th Committee, trying to jail its political opposition by abusing the congressional processes to accuse people falsely of crimes, try to get them jailed.

00:37:23.180 They're trying to misuse the process to ban and throw out members of Congress, trying to make sure that Trump can never run again.

00:37:30.700 I mean, they talk about protecting democracy, and you've got this effort to destroy the House of Representatives by targeting members for the votes they made and telling people that they can't be members anymore because of their votes, and targeting democracy generally by suggesting anyone who protests against policies Democrats favor, specifically policies to undermine free and fair elections by eviscerating voter ID and making sure that ballot harvesting

00:38:00.460 everything everywhere.

00:38:00.960 You're terrorists.

00:38:01.460 You're terrorists.

00:38:02.460 I mean, so when you talk about domestic terrorism, in the Democratic head, the terrorists aren't those who beat up a cop in the Capitol.

00:38:13.140 The terrorists are those who went to a rally and did what Americans since time immemorial have been doing, which is letting their views be known about a matter of public controversy.

00:38:25.040 Yeah, it's disgusting.

00:38:27.680 And the January 6th committee, to put a point on what you're saying, Schumer, Pelosi, Biden are leading an effort to create a Marxist utopia in the United States,

00:38:46.820 a Marxist, fascist authoritarian utopia in the United States, which means they have to dismantle our electoral system, which they are trying to do.

00:38:55.840 Two bills right now, a president in Georgia goes down there to accuse everyone who disagrees with him of being racist.

00:39:03.860 I mean, the man is absolutely out of control, and I don't care what his puppet masters who are pulling his strings say.

00:39:13.600 This has to stop because he is dividing the country further instead of uniting it, and it gets uglier by the day what this man in the White House.

00:39:23.680 I don't care whether people want to call him demented, of whether he is suffering from what unknown or unnamed cognitive disease,

00:39:33.140 but the truth of the matter is he is working against the interest of the United States every day, and it's got to end.

00:39:42.140 Well, you know, it's interesting, I often don't quote Mitch McConnell, but, you know, he certainly had a good point when he said that Biden's unhinged speech was the best evidence one would ever need for the value of a filibuster to the Senate.

00:39:58.440 I think that is an absolutely terrific series of comments he made.

00:40:05.240 It was the strongest pushback of his tenure as Speaker against a Democratic officeholder, and it just happened to be the President of the United States.

00:40:16.560 McConnell is having some sort of epiphany here as to who and what is happening on Capitol Hill in the Senate.

00:40:24.800 At least he's coming to terms with that.

00:40:27.560 He has not yet acted, but hopefully we will see that as well.

00:40:31.700 And the January 6th committee, again, Tom, just not to overly dwell on it, people should always remember that the January 6th committee will not release 14,000 videos of all that transpired on Capitol Hill.

00:40:49.140 They don't want the rest of the country to know it.

00:40:51.840 They don't want people to know what really happened.

00:40:54.620 But they also want to seal all of the records for the January 6th committee for 75 years.

00:41:03.140 Can you begin to explain that one, Tom?

00:41:05.560 I certainly can't.

00:41:07.400 No.

00:41:08.060 And, you know, remember, the committee is a creature of Pelosi.

00:41:10.960 So this is Pelosi.

00:41:11.800 So there are questions about why Pelosi didn't secure the Capitol as Speaker of the House.

00:41:18.480 That's not going to be under investigation.

00:41:20.720 As you point out, the Pelosi House and the Congress generally refuses to release any of the 14,000 hours of videos.

00:41:27.800 We sued in federal court for them.

00:41:30.880 The Pelosi Congress came.

00:41:32.720 Their lawyers said that not only can we not have them, they said they're not, quote, public records.

00:41:37.400 And even if there were, the public interest doesn't necessitate their disclosure.

00:41:44.220 So, I mean, they've got this.

00:41:45.900 You know, we ought to report that.

00:41:47.080 All these privileges to protect Pelosi while trying to jail other Americans for asserting privileges in court to protect the presidency.

00:41:55.720 It's unbelievable.

00:41:57.000 It is unbelievable.

00:41:58.180 And we should probably be reporting that every day in some fashion, what their comments about.

00:42:05.260 It's not in the public interest for the public to know what their government is doing.

00:42:10.060 It's outrageous.

00:42:11.340 Absolutely outrageous.

00:42:12.840 It extends to the transparency around COVID, the efforts to actually shut down debate and discussion of what Mr. Science, Dr. Fauci, said,

00:42:24.300 was the, you know, the concern.

00:42:27.500 And he suggested strongly that it was the sole concern of the CDC, the NIH, and, of course, the good offices of Dr. Fauci.

00:42:37.340 We're dealing with a set of elites in this government.

00:42:41.640 The deep state, the permanent bureaucracy, call it what you wish.

00:42:46.540 They are also very much out of control and out of touch with the American people.

00:42:52.520 It is a very tough time in this country because we have to watch a government that was once ours become theirs.

00:43:01.380 And by theirs, I mean the globalist elites.

00:43:04.260 Yeah, I mean you have this – I mean you had President Biden today just – or recently just implore social media companies to essentially censor Americans on the Internet.

00:43:20.460 Yeah.

00:43:21.460 Now the veil, to a degree, you know, if there's any veil left, it's all been lifted.

00:43:27.400 You know, it's a collusion between big government, big tech, and we're the targets.

00:43:32.800 We are the target increasingly of our own government.

00:43:37.640 And by the way, your reaction and the Judicial Watch reaction to the order to special forces to commence training in North Carolina on how to overthrow, quote, unquote, an illegitimate government, undefined, unspecific.

00:43:55.260 And by the way, since when should we be training our troops to overthrow any illegitimate government anywhere?

00:44:03.980 That isn't our job.

00:44:05.840 So is it directed at the United States government?

00:44:08.860 And who will decide what is illegitimate?

00:44:11.860 Yeah, I saw something about insurrection, anti-insurrection training.

00:44:17.240 Now we've got our military training to go to deploy force against Americans. 0.93

00:44:22.920 Yep.

00:44:23.820 So imagine if Trump had done that.

00:44:25.940 Well, imagine if the American people just sat slack-jawed and didn't say anything about this, didn't react to this.

00:44:36.800 There is a time, and I believe the time is now, to tell this government, this president, and the Democratic Party that their psych-ops campaigns against the American people stop now.

00:44:53.080 And I mean now.

00:44:54.960 The Republican Party leaders should be all over this right now and demanding hearings and ending this nonsense.

00:45:02.440 Your thoughts?

00:45:03.940 Well, I think the current Republican leadership, despite glimmers sometimes of energy, are, if they are re, you know, if Republicans take either the House or the Senate, you know,

00:45:19.280 I don't think the current leadership is going to give us anything other than what the past Republican leadership has, which is, you know, basically the same.

00:45:28.240 And so, you know, be prepared for disappointment and ineffectual and hapless oversight over the Leviathan government that's threatening our republic.

00:45:40.160 Well, it's, you know, I can't argue with you.

00:45:45.800 I think, you know, your statement, I think, is proved every day by whether it's Kevin McCarthy or Mitch McConnell or the Ronna McDaniel, the RNC, the Republican National Committee.

00:45:59.600 These are not leaders who have done much for the American people or for even their own party.

00:46:04.240 I have to give credit.

00:46:06.460 Mitch McConnell finally stood up and took on Joe Biden over that racist speech that he delivered.

00:46:12.700 I have to give Kevin McCarthy credit.

00:46:14.800 He finally stood up and said what I've been trying to tell the Republican Party and the country for 20 years.

00:46:21.740 The Chamber of Commerce is not working in the U.S. national interest.

00:46:25.780 It's working in the interest of U.S. multinationals and the workers and the working men and women in this country and their families be damned.

00:46:34.240 Finally, Kevin McCarthy told the Chamber of Commerce and business groups to basically go to hell.

00:46:41.880 We don't want your money.

00:46:43.260 We won't be lobbying, putting up with your lobbying either.

00:46:47.640 I was heartened by that.

00:46:49.960 Your thoughts?

00:46:50.480 Yeah, I mean, when you look at the corporate culture now in the United States, you can see the left clearly controls most of the publicly traded corporations in the country in terms of their involvement in sensitive political topics.

00:47:08.420 I mean, is it any surprise that these world corporations embrace vaccine mandates or initially embrace Black Lives Matter or attack voter ID?

00:47:20.400 That's that's a major issue.

00:47:22.300 And of course, you know, they're they're allied with Republican and conservative interests sometimes in government regulation and taxes.

00:47:30.080 But not anymore.

00:47:31.600 I really do a reckoning even on that, given their attacks on the American rule of law and fabric and our Republican form of government in other areas.

00:47:41.580 I think we have sufficient evidence to say just at least this about the Republican Party.

00:47:46.980 It has begun to understand why President Donald Trump turned the party toward the forgotten American, toward the working man and woman, the American family, the American small businessman and woman, and said, we're going to put America first.

00:48:06.600 I think that is finally, finally, starting to be assimilated by the left by the by the establishment wing of the Republican Party.

00:48:18.320 We'll see if it expands from here, because this is only a beginning and an early beginning at that.

00:48:24.240 So your thoughts, you mentioned your skepticism about the Republican Party.

00:48:30.660 Are you confident about the integrity of the election first in 2022 before we even get to 2024?

00:48:39.180 Well, you know, the concern to a degree, people were concerned about the wide use of mass mailings of ballots and ballot applications.

00:48:50.360 I think there were 100 million of them sent out.

00:48:52.440 A lot of that's going to take place again in 2022.

00:48:55.780 Oh, boy.

00:48:56.900 You know, and in my view, although there are some more security measures in place, in places, put in place in places like Georgia and some good restrictions in Texas on that dangerous way of voting in terms of security, it's going to be a free for all, largely.

00:49:13.840 I mean, we uncovered that, for instance, the voting lists in New York City, key counties in California, Portland specifically, hadn't been cleaned, practically speaking, in four years.

00:49:25.760 Yeah, I recall.

00:49:26.160 I mean, they were removing 33 names total in all those jurisdictions when tens of thousands of names should have been released.

00:49:33.580 So I don't know how mailing ballots and voting lists that are dirty can reassure anyone that elections are going to be free and fair.

00:49:45.840 And my view is we should be making sure that people vote in person in all possible circumstances with a voter ID after having their citizenship verified.

00:49:57.540 I mean, that's the kind of the standard, and we're way far away from that right now.

00:50:03.040 And as a result, confidence in the elections will continue to be strained.

00:50:08.040 It's I was afraid that that would be the outlook that you would offer, Tom.

00:50:14.200 I happen to share it.

00:50:15.780 And we have to have a Republican Party that does something.

00:50:20.200 It's not doing anything under Ronna McDaniel.

00:50:23.440 It's not doing, obviously, anything under the Republican leadership on Capitol Hill.

00:50:29.960 And we have to have communities, local governments, and state governments who are, I mean, absolutely energized and committed to taking control of their elections.

00:50:44.580 Because right now, Joe Biden has made it very clear with these two bills that are before the Congress that he means to federalize, to nationalize elections in this country and destroy our way of life.

00:50:59.880 And it's that simple.

00:51:00.940 And for him to campaign in Georgia, man, on this and to lay out clearly, you're a racist if you don't agree with him and accept nothing less than the will of the man who would be a dictator, not president of the United States.

00:51:19.560 It is the most, the strongest authoritarian impulse either party has ever exhibited, but even the Democratic Party and its left-wing ideology has never approached the level of authoritarianism in its initiatives and in its conduct than the radical dem party right now.

00:51:42.320 Absolutely, Marxist impulses and authoritarian initiatives.

00:51:47.340 Your thoughts as we wrap up here?

00:51:49.560 Well, I think we're in a revolutionary moment from the radical left, the extremist left, and we have a cynically, we have, you know, the most charitable interpretation is that we, the White House is controlled by cynics, and what started under Obama with a pen and a phone, it's metastasized under Biden, because he, as I said, he's not really, in my view, controlling the government effectively

00:52:18.860 because of his cognitive and other challenges, and we're facing, you know, a government that says, catch me if you can, when it comes to breaking the law, and that's dangerous for our country, that's for sure.

00:52:33.740 And thankfully, the law still allows us to catch them every once in a while, and Judicial Watch does it, the states do it now and again.

00:52:45.020 And, you know, for instance, we'll see in the Supreme Court this week, whether the Supreme Court will do it with Biden's abusive and anti-constitutional, I don't even want to say unconstitutional, anti-constitutional vaccine mandates.

00:52:59.020 Yeah, he wants to get rid of the filibuster, he, the man wants to have a new unit on domestic terrorism, and by the way, think of the equivalency of a, the definition of a domestic terrorist, according to the Attorney General, equals a, a parent speaking before the school board.

00:53:20.160 And this group wants, they basically want to weaponize the federal government against the, the American citizen, and they're doing it every day.

00:53:30.880 And there was a time we had a countervailing influence, our government, remember this expression, Tom, our government, we used to talk about checks and balances, three separate but equal branches of government.

00:53:44.540 My God, there are no checks and balances on the FBI, the Department of Justice, the Department of Education, you name it, they are running willfully, according to the, to the, to the orders of the cabal that influences the Biden administration.

00:54:03.680 And there is no countervailing influence, it should be the courts, but there is no, let's be honest, these courts are filled with left-wing activists.

00:54:13.620 And there's no countervailing force to counteract the excesses, the abuses of the Department of Justice and the FBI in particular.

00:54:25.060 And that is frightening, it should be frightening, I think, to every citizen right now.

00:54:30.560 Your thoughts as we conclude?

00:54:32.640 Well, I've, I've always been of the opinion that when it comes to public policy and rule law issues, the Justice Department is often the locus of evil.

00:54:40.260 And it needs to be the focus of significant reform, because they defend everything the other agencies do in court and, you know, kind of ratify it.

00:54:49.140 And that needs to be a target of reform.

00:54:52.120 And I think they need to be uprooted.

00:54:53.740 I don't know if they're redeemable in their court, the way they're currently run and organized.

00:55:01.660 That's for sure.

00:55:02.380 Both the Justice Department and the FBI.

00:55:04.320 Tom, it's been great talking with you, as always, here today.

00:55:07.900 Thank you for being with us and spending some time with us here on The Great America Show.

00:55:12.780 You're a great American, a great friend, and thank you so much.

00:55:17.240 I look forward to our next conversation here on The Great America Show.

00:55:21.760 Thank you all for being with us, and God bless you.

00:55:25.220 See you next time.

00:55:26.020 Join us again tomorrow for The Great America Podcast.

00:55:30.000 Stay in the fight.

00:55:30.980 Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

The Great America Show - January 18, 2022

THE CALL FOR FBI REFORM; DEMS UNDERMINE FAIR ELECTIONS

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