The Great America Show - THE DAYS OF WEAK FOREIGN POLICY ARE OVER!

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:05.020 It's great to have you with us today.

00:00:06.760 Well, we may be in some sort of recess for Congress and at a standstill waiting for President

00:00:12.280 Trump to come back into office, but Congress is still working under the leadership of Mike

00:00:17.640 Johnson.

00:00:18.020 I don't agree with Mike Johnson on most things, but I have to give credit where credit is

00:00:22.940 due.

00:00:23.520 This week, Congresswoman Nancy Mace of South Carolina has had enough with the whole transgender 1.00

00:00:28.620 situation, women using men's bathrooms and men using women's bathrooms. 0.64

00:00:34.040 So she put through a bill.

00:00:36.700 Take a listen to Nancy Mace talking about that bill that she has proposed on the floor, which

00:00:41.340 has now passed.

00:00:42.600 The question is, with your piece of legislation about banning women from using.

00:00:48.180 Yes.

00:00:48.720 My question to you is.

00:00:49.680 It doesn't go far enough.

00:00:50.780 You have said that it was created in response to Congresswoman-elect McBride.

00:00:55.400 A hundred percent.

00:00:56.160 But should legislation be created, targeted at one specific person?

00:00:59.900 It doesn't mention anyone in the legislation.

00:01:02.100 But you've said it was aimed at her.

00:01:04.160 No, I have said it's a result of this.

00:01:06.120 I'm not going to allow biological men into women's private spaces. 1.00

00:01:09.520 I will stand in the brink and stand in the way of anyone on the radical left who thinks

00:01:13.340 that it's okay for a penis to be in a women's locker room or a bathroom or a changing room. 0.87

00:01:18.180 Hell no.

00:01:19.220 I'm not going to stand for it.

00:01:20.740 And the Speaker said it would be in the House rules package.

00:01:22.900 If it's not, I'll be ready with a motion, a privileged motion, to force a vote on this.

00:01:27.880 This is not okay.

00:01:29.040 I'm a survivor of rape.

00:01:30.200 I'm a survivor of sexual abuse.

00:01:31.900 And I'm not going to allow any man in any female private spaces. 1.00

00:01:35.520 Now, Speaker...

00:01:36.280 End of story.

00:01:36.880 And, by the way, I'm getting death threats from men pretending to be women.

00:01:40.960 Why is it that these crazy people, the insanity, the radical left, are willing to kill women

00:01:47.020 over a man's right to be in a women's restroom? 1.00

00:01:49.360 Speaker Johnson has said...

00:01:50.460 Speaker Johnson has said he wants to treat every new member with the words dignity and

00:01:54.380 respect.

00:01:55.500 Forcing this congressperson to go into a male restroom, is that dignity and respect? 0.59

00:01:59.840 Forcing women to share private spaces with men is not dignity and not respect.

00:02:04.820 And I'm absolutely going to stand in the way of anyone who thinks it's okay for a man 1.00

00:02:09.100 to be in our locker room, in our changing rooms, in our dressing rooms, in women's bathrooms.

00:02:14.540 Congresswoman Nancy Mace absolutely taking that beta male... 0.99

00:02:17.780 I don't even know if you're calling him a male...

00:02:19.520 ...from ABC.

00:02:20.780 I mean, unbelievable.

00:02:22.140 The fact that we have to beg for men to not be in women's restrooms. 1.00

00:02:27.100 Folks, a lot of you who watch this show have been around this earth a lot longer than

00:02:30.940 me.

00:02:31.240 But can you think back at a time when we've dealt with something so insane that we have

00:02:39.520 to beg men to not use women's restrooms and respect their privacy? 0.98

00:02:45.060 And I said, I don't always agree with Mike Johnson.

00:02:47.420 In fact, I disagree with him on most of the time and the work that he does.

00:02:51.940 But I have to give credit where credit's due.

00:02:54.020 Here's Mike Johnson this week defending that bill.

00:02:57.000 Hello, everybody.

00:02:58.580 I just want to make a statement for all of you here and be very clear.

00:03:02.320 I was asked a question this morning at the Leadership Gaggle, and I rejected the premise

00:03:05.960 because the answer is so obvious.

00:03:09.220 For anybody who doesn't know my well-established record on this issue, let me be unequivocally

00:03:14.040 clear.

00:03:15.060 A man is a man, and a woman is a woman. 1.00

00:03:18.420 And a man cannot become a woman. 0.99

00:03:20.460 That said, I also believe, that's what Scripture teaches, what I just said.

00:03:26.360 But I also believe that we treat everybody with dignity.

00:03:29.480 And so we can do and believe all those things at the same time.

00:03:33.260 And I wanted to make that clear for everybody because there's lots of questions.

00:03:36.080 But that's where I stand.

00:03:37.020 I've stood there my whole life, and those are facts.

00:03:39.080 But I'm going to reiterate again, I don't usually agree with Mike Johnson, but I think

00:03:43.480 Mike Johnson may watch the show because you hear me say that very often on this show.

00:03:47.200 There's no such thing as a transgender. 0.77

00:03:48.980 A man is born a man, genetic makeup of a man. 0.54

00:03:52.240 There is no changing your DNA.

00:03:54.160 We know that to be fact.

00:03:55.700 So anybody should suggest otherwise that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man 0.93

00:04:00.300 is in some sort of alternative reality, which it seems the Democrats are usually in as it stands.

00:04:08.460 I want to get over to some foreign policy and bring in our guest today.

00:04:13.480 President Biden met with Xi Jinping in their final meeting, likely ever, at the G20 summit

00:04:19.740 over the weekend.

00:04:21.780 And they talked about some things, Xi Jinping sending some messages for President Trump.

00:04:26.180 Our guest today is the author of Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America,

00:04:30.300 Gordon Chang, a great American.

00:04:32.500 Gordon Chang, thanks so much for joining us back here on The Great America Show.

00:04:35.800 It's always a delight to have you on the program.

00:04:38.200 Folks, for those of you who haven't picked up Gordon's book yet, Plan Red, China's Project

00:04:42.780 to Destroy America, Christmas is around the corner.

00:04:45.560 You should be informing.

00:04:46.580 If you're a great American, you should be informing your loved ones, your family members, your

00:04:49.720 friends, what's going on in this country, and more importantly, what's going on with

00:04:53.800 one of our greatest enemies, China. 1.00

00:04:56.900 Gordon, like I said, great to have you back with us.

00:04:59.360 I want to start with this decisive win by President Trump.

00:05:02.420 First, tell me what it means for America, what it means for China, and what it means

00:05:06.080 for the rest of the world when it comes to America being number one again.

00:05:11.140 Well, America is number one.

00:05:13.860 Biden allowed the world to think that China was number one.

00:05:18.200 And that caused all sorts of problems because China was waging proxy wars around the world, 0.87

00:05:22.860 in Europe, in Ukraine, across North Africa, where China and Russia were fueling insurgencies

00:05:28.620 that looked like wars.

00:05:29.740 And China was backing Iran's assault on Israel. 0.52

00:05:33.920 So essentially, Moscow and Beijing were setting the world alight.

00:05:38.940 One of the great things, John, is that this month, we have seen China become uncharacteristically 1.00

00:05:46.160 quiet in East Asia, in its peripheral water and air.

00:05:50.000 And there might be some internal reasons for that.

00:05:53.240 But I think the most important one is that Xi Jinping wants to give Trump a very wide berth.

00:06:00.120 I think the Chinese are very worried about Trump returning to the Oval Office.

00:06:04.580 They don't know what he's going to do.

00:06:06.920 He's unpredictable in their view.

00:06:09.080 They know they can't control him.

00:06:11.040 And so they don't want to take him on.

00:06:12.780 So even before Trump has taken the oath of office, he has brought peace and stability to

00:06:18.380 a very important part of the world.

00:06:20.880 You know, I mean, I want to break out, get into some of the things that's going to come

00:06:24.720 with the Trump presidency, with him coming back to office.

00:06:28.040 Tariffs, obviously, being among the first, the biggest and the first.

00:06:32.220 So we'll start with that.

00:06:33.080 A new poll out from Reuters shows that they're a poll of 50 economists over at Reuters, that

00:06:38.340 Trump's going to unleash nearly 40 percent tariffs on China in early 2025.

00:06:43.280 So that's just in a few months within him taking office.

00:06:47.440 These obviously a lot bigger, Gordon, than the seven and a half to 25 percent tariffs that

00:06:52.560 were levied on China, President Trump's first term in 2016.

00:06:55.780 These folks, these economists are predicting around a 38 percent tariff generally on most

00:07:02.760 goods, but a ranging tariff between 15 and 60 percent.

00:07:07.180 So these are massive.

00:07:08.000 I think President Trump has even talked about 100 percent in some cases on some things.

00:07:13.540 Do you think President Trump holds through on these?

00:07:16.540 I know Lou Dobbs is up in heaven right now and he's absolutely pounding the hell out of

00:07:20.600 the table saying, go get them.

00:07:23.060 What is your thoughts on these?

00:07:25.260 I think Trump will do that, you know, especially with Lou's help.

00:07:30.760 You know, nobody is going to say no to Lou.

00:07:33.160 So, but I think these tariffs are a great idea.

00:07:38.980 They're important to do because remember, when Trump first imposed these, he used his

00:07:44.300 authority under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 and he used these tariffs as a remedy

00:07:50.280 for the theft of intellectual property.

00:07:53.080 China has continued to steal American IP to the tune of about a half trillion dollars a

00:07:58.820 year.

00:07:59.320 So we've obviously got to do something.

00:08:00.920 So when you get a lot of economists and smart people saying they don't like tariffs, I say,

00:08:06.920 OK, but what are you going to do about IP theft?

00:08:09.720 And by the way, you know, you hear a lot of these economists say, well, it's just the

00:08:14.620 American people are going to pay these tariffs. 0.89

00:08:17.200 Maybe not.

00:08:18.700 In the 2018 tariffs, China picked up 75 to 81 percent of the cost of these tariffs.

00:08:25.600 And I think that China is going to do the same thing this time because it has more incentive

00:08:29.800 to do so.

00:08:30.340 And by the way, China is already driving down the value of the renminbi.

00:08:35.860 And I think that's an anticipation of the Trump tariffs.

00:08:38.600 And that's going to make Chinese products cheaper.

00:08:41.400 So even before Trump gets into the Oval Office, he's having a beneficial effect on prices in

00:08:47.420 America.

00:08:47.840 A few things there.

00:08:49.180 You said steal IP.

00:08:50.460 They don't steal it, Gordon.

00:08:51.540 We give it to them.

00:08:52.640 But if we want to, we could categorize it as that because our people are just absolute

00:08:57.200 idiots.

00:08:57.640 Tim Cooks of the world.

00:08:59.020 Smartest people in the world, but also the dumbest people in the world.

00:09:01.160 Elon Musk, another one having a huge influence over in China.

00:09:04.980 He's got to get the heck out.

00:09:06.440 But to the people who say no tariffs, I'm going to say what Lou Dobbs would say to them.

00:09:11.560 You can go to hell because it's Gordon.

00:09:14.740 What else are we supposed to do?

00:09:16.220 How else are we supposed to get Apple?

00:09:18.900 How else are we supposed to get Elon Musk and Tesla?

00:09:21.480 How else are we supposed to get Microsoft?

00:09:23.500 And I'm just naming a few.

00:09:24.600 But you can go down a laundry list, Gordon, of some of our nation's biggest manufacturers,

00:09:30.380 some of them that partake in almost all of them, these top ones in national security

00:09:34.700 here in America, the computers in the DOD are not made in America.

00:09:38.780 They're made in China.

00:09:40.300 You can go, like I said, go down a laundry list of things.

00:09:43.500 How do we get them out of China? 1.00

00:09:45.860 I was reading an article this morning, I think it was from The Economist, where it said Vietnam

00:09:49.740 is going to be the new China.

00:09:51.240 That's fine with me.

00:09:52.120 I don't care.

00:09:52.720 I understand, Gordon, there are some jobs that we just cannot do in America simply for

00:09:57.540 the cost of it.

00:09:58.480 I understand that.

00:09:59.420 I would love to see everything in America.

00:10:01.100 Obviously, that's never going to be the case.

00:10:03.080 We don't have the manpower.

00:10:03.960 We don't have the workers.

00:10:04.700 We, you know, cannot simply afford it.

00:10:07.220 So I understand that.

00:10:08.220 But getting out of China is crucial.

00:10:10.120 How do we get these people out?

00:10:12.620 Two ways.

00:10:13.700 Tariffs, number one.

00:10:15.100 Second thing is just apply U.S. law, existing law.

00:10:19.020 The Tariff Act of 1930 prohibits the importation into the U.S. of goods made with forced labor.

00:10:26.240 Now, you mentioned a couple companies, Apple.

00:10:28.680 Apple products have been made with Uyghur forced labor. 1.00

00:10:32.280 And so all we have to do is apply the law.

00:10:35.680 The reason why we want to do this is because China uses Uyghurs, Kazakhs, other Turkic minorities

00:10:41.900 to basically make products.

00:10:45.680 And that's financing China's program of genocide. 0.93

00:10:48.360 So we should not be financing the most horrible crimes in history.

00:10:54.020 And all we have to do is we don't have to change the law.

00:10:56.400 All we have to do is enforce our law.

00:10:59.260 So tariffs and the Tariff Act of 1930, do those things.

00:11:03.900 I think we really clean up a lot of problems for us.

00:11:07.720 And one other thing, you know, John, I'm happy business is done in Vietnam rather than China.

00:11:13.620 We can actually move that business to our hemisphere.

00:11:17.540 We have a trade agreement in existence already.

00:11:21.520 It's called CAFTA DR.

00:11:23.640 DR is Dominican Republic.

00:11:25.780 CAFTA is Central America.

00:11:27.400 The reason why we have migrant problem at our southern border is because those societies have been destabilized.

00:11:33.080 We bring factories back to Central America.

00:11:36.080 We stop the migration into the United States. 0.99

00:11:39.660 Those are products.

00:11:40.820 Some of them will never be made in the U.S., as you point out.

00:11:43.680 They should be made on our side of the Pacific. 1.00

00:11:47.440 We can do it.

00:11:48.540 And we can do it with virtually no cost to the American consumer.

00:11:52.560 Actually, probably cheaper products in Central America than in China.

00:11:56.940 I often point out on this show, Gordon, that more lives are lost as a result of our wide open southern border.

00:12:03.080 And then wars that we fought overseas in the Middle East for the last 24 years.

00:12:09.160 It's just a fact.

00:12:10.180 Hundreds of thousands of people a year dying from fentanyl overdoses coming from China through the southern border via Mexico.

00:12:16.500 I'm all for spending the money, and I hate spending money, but I'm all for spending the money to get Mexico built up and get the corruption the hell out of that place. 1.00

00:12:25.380 Because at the end of the day, Gordon, whatever money we spent is better well spent in Mexico than it is in Ukraine and Iran and every other place that we've given money to over the last eight years or so.

00:12:37.960 I'm all for building up Mexico. 1.00

00:12:39.680 I'm all for helping them get rid of their corruption.

00:12:41.500 I'm all for getting rid of the drug lords and stop letting these folks run this country and giving business to countries like Puerto Rico, giving business to countries like Puerto Rico, territories like Puerto Rico, countries like Dominican Republic.

00:12:54.640 If they can even help out Haiti, I'm all for it.

00:12:56.800 Because at the end of the day, it'll help us.

00:12:58.740 It'll help our illegal immigration problem, and it'll help us get the hell out of China. 1.00

00:13:02.860 I don't understand how and at what point.

00:13:06.680 Obviously, the Belt and Road Initiative was a big turning point.

00:13:11.560 But at what point did we become so – because it seems, Gordon, in the last maybe 10 years or so, it's gotten even worse.

00:13:18.400 When have we gotten so divested?

00:13:20.360 At what point in the last 25 years have we gotten so divested in China?

00:13:25.780 Yeah, I mean, those are great, great points.

00:13:29.520 You know, all we have to do, some little changes.

00:13:32.560 We don't even have to spend any money to do it.

00:13:35.060 You know, we're going to buy products.

00:13:36.400 Let's buy them from people who actually like us rather than people who are trying to kill us.

00:13:41.560 And you're absolutely right about fentanyl.

00:13:43.720 The Communist Party is behind the fentanyl gangs.

00:13:46.680 And it's because some of the producers are state-owned.

00:13:49.920 We know that Chinese TikTok, which propagates Chinese narratives, they promote illegal drug use in the U.S. 0.99

00:13:56.760 Chinese diplomats support the fentanyl gangs.

00:13:59.460 There's Chinese central government subsidies for fentanyl.

00:14:02.860 Every container that leaves China is inspected by officials.

00:14:06.100 And the fentanyl producers, they launder their money through the Chinese state banking system.

00:14:10.600 So this is a Communist Party plan to destroy American lives. 0.70

00:14:16.900 Yeah.

00:14:17.640 Talking about war, I don't want war overseas.

00:14:20.460 I don't want a World War III.

00:14:21.600 I don't want a world with Ukraine. 1.00

00:14:23.080 We shouldn't be over there.

00:14:24.180 We're going to get into that in a little bit.

00:14:25.500 But I don't want to be involved in a war between Palestine and Gaza and Israel.

00:14:31.600 I want nothing to do with that.

00:14:32.660 What I want is I want war with Mexico. 1.00

00:14:35.100 I want war with the cartels.

00:14:36.820 Because enough is enough, Gordon.

00:14:38.520 How much longer can we put up with this?

00:14:40.820 And I don't mean a literal war with Mexico, because, I mean, at this point, the leaders of Mexico are pretty much just hostages.

00:14:47.480 They're held hostage by the cartel.

00:14:49.280 The cartels threaten to kill their family members.

00:14:51.420 Maybe they do kill family members.

00:14:53.640 They're hostages at this point.

00:14:54.960 I mean, they have no other choice.

00:14:56.320 But what we heard was President Trump, towards the end of his last term, he wanted to blow up these drug factories.

00:15:03.660 He wanted to send missiles in and absolutely blow them up.

00:15:06.020 They were able to tell where they were based on geothermal imaging.

00:15:10.380 They can tell where the heat was coming out of the factories in the middle of nowhere.

00:15:13.580 Obviously, it's not manufacturing facilities for goods.

00:15:16.860 It's manufacturing facilities for drugs.

00:15:20.020 And it was leaked out by, I think, Mark Esper in his book.

00:15:24.260 And he thought he was hurting Trump by saying it.

00:15:27.300 And it turned out people were actually in favor of going in and blowing up these drug lords because they're criminals, Gordon.

00:15:34.600 Yeah, you know, the one thing that we haven't focused on is that the Biden administration has allowed the Mexican cartels to operate on U.S. soil.

00:15:43.520 Right.

00:15:44.060 In places along the border, like Los Angeles, cartels are actively involved.

00:15:50.780 And the Biden administration has done virtually nothing about it.

00:15:54.180 You know, we shut down the drug trade.

00:15:56.000 However we do it, we get the cartels off of American soil.

00:16:01.400 And that's really critical.

00:16:03.040 And hopefully we make sure that they do not operate in Mexico close to our border. 0.92

00:16:08.420 So one way or another, we've got to do that because otherwise we have got these gangs taking over states like California and Arizona.

00:16:18.960 And you bring back, I think, Gordon, you bring back the death penalty for these people.

00:16:23.280 And I think you see a lot of things change how people say death penalty.

00:16:26.320 Why doesn't China, Gordon, you're very familiar with China.

00:16:28.780 Why doesn't China have a drug problem like we have? 1.00

00:16:31.140 Why doesn't countries like Singapore, the Philippines, why don't they have drug problems like we have, Gordon?

00:16:35.600 Yeah, Singapore doesn't have a drug problem because of the death penalty.

00:16:39.780 It's very clear.

00:16:40.920 It's a small place.

00:16:41.860 You can see how the effect of these penalties work.

00:16:45.100 And it's very, very effective.

00:16:47.840 China doesn't have a drug problem because they've got a totalitarian state, which really makes sure that people don't take drugs.

00:16:55.260 Now, they're not able to control some of their southern parts near places like Thailand and Myanmar, Burma.

00:17:03.440 But elsewhere throughout the country, they are very effective in controlling it.

00:17:08.820 Yeah, I mean, I've spent a decent amount of time in Asia, and I'm going to be heading there at the end of this week and spending some time over there.

00:17:14.560 And, I mean, like I said, I've spent a decent amount of time.

00:17:16.700 I've been to Thailand.

00:17:17.540 I've been to Japan.

00:17:18.580 And, you know, I go out to bars.

00:17:20.220 I go out to clubs.

00:17:20.880 And you go out to a bar and a club here in America, Gordon, you've got someone coming up to you asking if you want cocaine, asking if you want marijuana.

00:17:27.820 Every time I've been over there, I've never even seen it.

00:17:30.000 I've never asked for it.

00:17:30.940 I've never looked for it.

00:17:31.860 But generally, you have people coming up to you asking for it.

00:17:34.740 I've been in Thailand.

00:17:35.480 I've never had anyone come up to me and ask.

00:17:37.160 I've been in Japan.

00:17:38.200 I've never had anyone come up to me and ask for it.

00:17:40.040 I've been to Myanmar.

00:17:40.780 I've been in the Philippines and no one.

00:17:43.400 So it may be there, but it's not as brazen as I was in New York City last week going to the Knicks game.

00:17:49.380 I parked a block away from MSG.

00:17:50.840 And there's a guy selling pre-rolled marijuana joints on the street corner.

00:17:56.600 So, you know, it may just be marijuana, but it doesn't matter.

00:18:00.320 It's marijuana today.

00:18:01.400 It's cocaine tomorrow, Gordon.

00:18:03.200 Or it's marijuana laced with fentanyl.

00:18:05.440 Yeah, absolutely.

00:18:06.640 We're going to take a quick break here.

00:18:08.040 We're talking with Gordon Chang.

00:18:09.820 We're going to come right back.

00:18:11.100 We're going to go a little bit deeper into President Joe Biden's last meeting with Xi Jinping of the G20.

00:18:16.980 Hey, it's going to be the last time they meet, probably forever, unless they discuss some sort of business deals.

00:18:22.560 We'll find out.

00:18:23.860 Folks, Gordon Chang's book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.97

00:18:27.240 You can get it on Amazon.com, wherever you buy your books.

00:18:29.980 We recommend it to you highly.

00:18:31.460 Grab a copy for you.

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00:18:34.280 Short, easy read.

00:18:35.540 Very informational.

00:18:36.540 We're coming right back with Gordon.

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00:19:42.600 We're back, folks.

00:19:43.620 We're talking with Gordon Chang.

00:19:44.800 And the book is Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.93

00:19:48.220 The four-word written, the epilogue written by the great Lou Dobbs.

00:19:51.380 So Lou Dobbs didn't endorse anything that he didn't believe in.

00:19:54.660 And for you guys who have watched him for the last, I don't know, we'll say 50 years to make it easy, you know, Lou had great integrity and, you know, didn't just back up things for the hell of it.

00:20:06.480 He did it for a reason, and there's a reason he did it, because it's important.

00:20:10.560 So Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America by Gordon Chang. 0.89

00:20:13.480 You can get it, like I said, Amazon or wherever you buy your books.

00:20:16.740 Gordon, Xi Jinping, and Joe Biden met for the last time, presumably, at the G20 Summit, where, if you guys were watching the news or following this podcast, you saw Joe Biden was very lost in the rainforest and wandering, missing the family photo.

00:20:31.240 I mean, he was, I don't know if it was on purpose or he was just enjoying a vacation, but damn, that man seems like he's got two feet out the door, Gordon.

00:20:39.040 But nonetheless, Xi Jinping, in his goodbye to Joe Biden, which was probably more of a hello to Donald Trump, sent him a message saying that his red line is that he draws it at democracy and human rights.

00:20:53.400 The second part is pretty funny.

00:20:55.000 The first part is funny, too, being he's a dictator.

00:20:57.820 What does he mean by that?

00:21:00.000 What kind of message is he trying to send to Donald Trump, saying his red line is human rights, as he hosts concentration camps all across this country, and democracy, where he's a dictator.

00:21:12.220 I mean, we're going to get into Jimmy Lai over in Hong Kong in just a little bit.

00:21:17.320 But what does he mean by democracy and human rights?

00:21:21.600 This is what Chinese leaders, and especially Xi Jinping, are most worried about.

00:21:25.740 They're worried about the Chinese people.

00:21:28.740 And so what Xi Jinping was saying was the United States shouldn't try to promote representative governance, democracy, or human rights.

00:21:38.540 The one reason why they really did not want Mike Pompeo in the next, in the Trump administration is because Pompeo actually tried to talk to the Chinese people, and that infuriated Xi Jinping.

00:21:52.220 The thing is, they got Marco Rubio, who's going to do the same thing.

00:21:56.940 But the point is that Xi Jinping was, as you say, sending a message to the Trump administration, say, don't talk about democracy.

00:22:05.020 Don't talk about human rights.

00:22:07.700 What is Xi Jinping so worried about?

00:22:09.440 If he's doing such a good job over there and his people love him.

00:22:11.660 What a lot of people don't realize, Gordon, is my father spent a decent amount of time in his earlier days in China working for Citibank and spending a decent amount of time over there.

00:22:21.020 And, you know, he had told me something that I had never realized.

00:22:23.980 And we obviously know China is like the king of deceitfulness and lies. 1.00

00:22:29.200 But what he explained to me, you know, I said, you look at the skyline of Beijing and you look at all these beautiful buildings.

00:22:34.480 I mean, the place must be booming.

00:22:36.400 And he said, what do you mean?

00:22:37.700 I said, look at all these skyscrapers.

00:22:39.060 It looks like New York City.

00:22:40.040 He says, those things are all empty.

00:22:42.440 Every single one of those skyscrapers is literally just for show.

00:22:45.320 It's like that movie they made about North Korea where they go into the grocery store and it's all beautiful fruits and everything.

00:22:50.620 It doesn't exist.

00:22:51.700 It's all smoke and mirrors.

00:22:52.880 What kind of democracy does Xi Jinping think he's running over there or at least trying to fool the rest of the world, Gordon?

00:22:59.200 Well, right now, the Chinese leaders are especially concerned about the mood of the Chinese people.

00:23:05.840 Chinese people have been very glum, very docile, just completely defeated. 1.00

00:23:11.680 And then all of a sudden, especially this last month, we have seen one incident after another of these mass killings in China.

00:23:19.240 They're now almost one a day.

00:23:20.880 And, you know, if people can, if they can pray for the Chinese people right now, because innocents, including schoolchildren, are being slaughtered.

00:23:31.120 But we're also seeing other mass incidents which are unnerving the Communist Party.

00:23:36.540 Just to give you an example, in June, four college girls in central China went and thought it would be a good idea to have dumplings.

00:23:44.640 And so they got on their bikes, they rode 50 kilometers between two Chinese cities for dumplings.

00:23:50.980 That has now turned into a mass incident where 100,000 kids will do the same thing on any given night.

00:23:57.640 And the Chinese leaders are now hysterical because they're worried about people turning that into a political protest.

00:24:05.760 So we're seeing a Chinese leadership right now that is even more insecure than normal.

00:24:11.820 And by the way, if it weren't bad enough for them, they really don't like Trump because Trump is popular with China's people.

00:24:21.120 He's popular not because he says things that they like.

00:24:24.960 It's because of who he is.

00:24:26.840 He's open.

00:24:27.560 He's fresh.

00:24:28.120 He's unfiltered.

00:24:29.000 He is exactly the opposite of the lifeless leaders in China, Xi Jinping and especially his predecessor, Hu Jintao.

00:24:36.780 And so the Chinese people just love Trump. 0.67

00:24:39.280 And, you know, that's one thing that really drives Xi Jinping over the edge.

00:24:44.600 Well, it's not just the Chinese people.

00:24:46.280 I don't want to get off topic here, but I was reading this morning a poll done.

00:24:50.120 And between the ages of 18, I think, to 54 in Britain, 50 percent of the males wish they can go ahead and vote for Donald Trump.

00:24:59.800 I think it's across the board, Gordon.

00:25:01.680 They see him as this male dominant figure.

00:25:04.340 And, you know, some people don't like Trump because of his messaging.

00:25:07.160 But you know what?

00:25:07.880 It gets the job done.

00:25:09.900 You see President Trump, he did a tour with Tucker Carlson.

00:25:13.040 He came out and he was talking about John Bolton.

00:25:15.680 And he said he used John Bolton very strategically.

00:25:18.420 He said, I'd bring this idiot with me to meetings.

00:25:20.880 And Vladimir Putin would look at him and say, oh, damn, this guy wants to go to war.

00:25:24.580 Let's not mess with him.

00:25:25.740 And then he brings him over to North Korea.

00:25:27.480 And Kim Jong-un looks at him.

00:25:28.720 And I think Trump says that big, stupid mustache.

00:25:31.160 He looks at him.

00:25:31.760 It's like this guy means business.

00:25:33.640 He wants to go to war.

00:25:34.820 So Trump had plenty of useful idiots around him, but he knew how to use him.

00:25:40.340 I want to go into Marco Rubio.

00:25:41.620 But first, I want to talk a little bit about North Korea as I spoke about Rocket Man.

00:25:46.400 I saw a funny meme the other day, Gordon.

00:25:48.140 And it was Kim Jong-un looking through a pair of binoculars.

00:25:51.040 And he saw Elon Musk with Donald Trump looking at him launching his rocket.

00:25:55.300 And then below it, it was Kim Jong-un saying, oh, no, he's got a new Rocket Man.

00:26:01.900 I want to talk about Kim Jong-un.

00:26:04.680 He's been very silent since November 5th, November 6th.

00:26:08.500 What's going through his little mind right now?

00:26:10.800 You know, there are two things.

00:26:13.200 One of them, of course, is that they've supplied four combat brigades for Ukraine.

00:26:18.080 Right.

00:26:18.440 That's 12,800 soldiers.

00:26:20.780 But they're talking maybe about 100,000.

00:26:23.560 So there's that burgeoning relationship with Moscow, which China has approved.

00:26:28.520 So he's making money there.

00:26:29.780 But internally, Kim Jong-un is worried about what's going on inside North Korea, because

00:26:37.000 the economy is worse than usual.

00:26:39.600 And people are unhappy.

00:26:41.460 And again, it's another insecure totalitarian leader.

00:26:45.020 So right now, if it weren't for the money that he's getting from Russia, he might not be there

00:26:51.260 in place anymore.

00:26:52.200 So he's really worried about that.

00:26:54.240 And he's carrying on this enormous spat with South Korea right now, a spat that North Korea

00:27:00.620 can't win.

00:27:02.340 Interesting.

00:27:03.000 So do you think, you know, his whole nuclear program, his whole rocket launching program

00:27:08.500 is on hold right now?

00:27:09.540 Do you think he's developing it?

00:27:11.120 You know, it's sort of scary.

00:27:11.960 Like I said, I've been to Korea before, South Korea, of course.

00:27:15.800 And I walk those tunnels underneath the DMZ, where they lead right into North Korea.

00:27:22.820 North Korea's got caught building tunnels right into the middle of Seoul.

00:27:27.140 It's kind of scary.

00:27:27.840 As you're on the tour board, and they tell you at any point, North Korea can flood the

00:27:31.220 tunnels and drown everybody out.

00:27:32.520 As soon as I heard that, I started running with my head down to get the hell back upstairs.

00:27:36.880 And I was claustrophobic, as it was already.

00:27:39.180 So being in a five foot tall section, as I'm six foot two, was exactly easy.

00:27:44.220 But do you think Kim Jong-un looks to ramp up his rhetoric against America?

00:27:51.060 Or do you think he takes an easy approach and tries to befriend Donald Trump once again

00:27:55.680 and find some common ground?

00:27:59.380 I think Kim, and this is just a guess, this is wild speculation, but he's going to be quiet

00:28:04.400 for a little bit of time, because he just wants to know what the landscape is.

00:28:09.420 He probably thinks he can't go back to what he tried to do with President Trump during Trump's

00:28:15.360 first term, which was this attempt to come to some sort of agreement with the U.S.

00:28:20.880 But I also think he doesn't want to take on America.

00:28:24.440 So right now, I think Kim will be relatively well behaved, at least for a little while.

00:28:30.540 Now, why do you say that you don't think we can get back to the point now?

00:28:33.880 I'm not completely against America trying to make some sort of reconciliation with North Korea.

00:28:40.200 You'll hear people on the left saying, well, there are a bunch of murderers and killers

00:28:43.160 and he kills their own people.

00:28:44.180 But at the same time, what is Xi Jinping?

00:28:46.900 And I mean, we're their number one business partner.

00:28:50.160 So you want to look at one, but you don't look at the other.

00:28:53.200 You want to look at the concentration camps in North Korea, but you don't want to look

00:28:56.600 at them in China because it's convenient for you, Mr. Adam Silver, Mr. Mark Cuban.

00:29:02.000 So, you know, people look at it from that aspect, that Kim Jong-un's a killer.

00:29:04.920 Well, so is Vladimir Putin.

00:29:06.620 So is Xi Jinping.

00:29:08.240 I mean, we still do business with them.

00:29:09.840 Do you think I mean, why do you why do you think that we can't get back to some sort

00:29:14.500 of reconciliation with these people?

00:29:16.700 It's not Kim.

00:29:18.340 It's basically Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin won't let Kim do that.

00:29:23.680 Kim right now is vulnerable.

00:29:26.000 He is even more reliant on China and Russia.

00:29:29.520 And so I don't think the Chinese and Russians will allow him to do that. 1.00

00:29:33.860 You know, a lot of people when in the first Trump administration looked at President Trump's

00:29:38.860 outreach to Kim Jong-un, that really was an attempt to pry North Korea away from China.

00:29:44.380 China did not like that.

00:29:46.480 And so I think that you're going to see that Xi Jinping is not going to permit Kim to do

00:29:51.120 that again.

00:29:52.280 So that's just a guess.

00:29:54.440 But it's it's not Kim.

00:29:56.920 It's the Chinese and the Russians. 1.00

00:29:59.300 So why do you think it's out of President Trump's wheelhouse to try to go ahead and do

00:30:02.680 that again and say, hey, Kim, why don't you, you know, come over to our side?

00:30:06.120 I mean, what is really at stake for China is not going to obviously blow up North Korea.

00:30:11.580 I mean, they do give them a lot of money.

00:30:14.940 I understand they need them in that aspect.

00:30:16.700 But do you think it's more beneficial for us to have North Korea on our side than than 0.99

00:30:22.340 being on China and Russia's side, even if it does cost us a little bit of money?

00:30:25.860 Yeah, it might not even cost us any money because there's other incentives that the United States

00:30:31.620 can give North Korea that don't involve the outlay of cash.

00:30:36.220 Yeah.

00:30:36.620 To answer your question, it is obviously on our side to pry away North Korea from China. 0.90

00:30:43.000 And one of the reasons I say that is because-

00:30:45.500 Does President Trump do that, do you think?

00:30:46.520 What's that?

00:30:47.200 Do you think President Trump tries to do that?

00:30:49.200 Well, that's what I think he tried to do in his first term.

00:30:51.740 I think that was the basis of it.

00:30:55.520 This time, the Chinese are really onto this. 0.99

00:31:00.600 And so they have, I think that they are going to put their hooks into Kim and not let him

00:31:05.200 do it.

00:31:05.640 And Vladimir Putin is doing the same thing.

00:31:08.060 But, and the reason why the Chinese and Russians are doing that is because Xi Jinping is thinking

00:31:12.440 of going to war and he wants North Korea to fight on his side.

00:31:16.900 So he's going to, the Chinese are going to be even more determined than they were last 1.00

00:31:22.020 time.

00:31:23.440 Again, you know, that's just reading tea leaves.

00:31:26.480 But it's my sense that they're going to be much more active in preventing Kim from doing

00:31:32.360 what Kim might otherwise do, which is to come to some sort of deal with Trump.

00:31:37.640 It's not an easy negotiation with North Korea.

00:31:40.200 But at a time where the region can fall into a war, which would be World War III, by the

00:31:47.380 way, because we got wars everywhere else, you know, the stakes are much higher.

00:31:52.980 Yeah, I think you're absolutely correct.

00:31:54.880 I think if anybody can get the job done when it comes to negotiation, it's President Trump.

00:31:59.220 Maybe he needs to call John Bolton out for a little retirement and fly him over there

00:32:03.400 and get some negotiating done.

00:32:04.700 But, you know, the old saying, kicking the dog while they're down, China's obviously very 1.00

00:32:09.040 down right now.

00:32:09.840 And I'm not for kicking an actual dog while they're down, but I am for kicking China while 1.00

00:32:14.820 they're down because of everything they've done to this country.

00:32:17.980 Gordon, they've never paid the price for the genocide they've launched on the world with

00:32:21.840 China, with, I'm sorry, with COVID. 0.90

00:32:24.540 At least on the world, you hear Dr. Redfield now, and I don't know where he's coming up

00:32:29.600 with this, trying to spew the notion now that China, that the China virus came out of a

00:32:34.640 lab in North Carolina.

00:32:36.060 What's your thoughts on this and how President Trump holds China accountable, finally, for

00:32:43.240 what they did to the world?

00:32:45.260 Yeah, I haven't heard Redfield say that, but I'm sure he did.

00:32:48.760 What he's referring to is that around 2012, 2013, 14, I think it's Dr. Robert Barrack, but

00:33:00.600 it was somebody at the University of North Carolina was manipulating coronaviruses.

00:33:06.600 This was gain-of-function research.

00:33:09.280 And President Obama in 2014 imposed a federal moratorium on gain-of-function research on

00:33:17.540 U.S. soil.

00:33:18.460 So what did Fauci do?

00:33:19.880 He then outsourced gain-of-function research to a Chinese biological weapons lab, which is

00:33:24.960 the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:33:27.520 Fauci should be held accountable for that.

00:33:31.260 And clearly, China would not have had the technology were it not for the funding from

00:33:38.060 Fauci.

00:33:38.960 And we don't have to speculate about this, John, because there are two scientific papers

00:33:43.340 from 2017 and 2019, I remember, from researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:33:50.480 They are describing gain-of-function research, and they are specifically acknowledging funding

00:33:55.740 from Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

00:34:00.380 So clearly, Fauci was funding this, and he's not been held accountable.

00:34:05.640 And the one thing that President Trump did, which was great, was to get us out of the World

00:34:09.260 Health Organization, which helped China spread coronavirus beyond China's borders. 0.97

00:34:15.680 That's 7 million people were killed by this disease outside China, including 1.2 million

00:34:22.260 Americans.

00:34:23.080 Now, I know people will say, well, it wasn't 1.2.

00:34:26.360 I don't care.

00:34:27.400 Any number above zero was unacceptable.

00:34:29.920 And we know that that number was high.

00:34:32.700 And we were speaking earlier about the Chinese people in the mainland there.

00:34:36.440 How many of them really died, Gordon?

00:34:38.260 I think the number they told us was like 80,000 or something like that.

00:34:41.560 I mean, that number's also got to be in the millions because they were dumping them like

00:34:44.880 like they were garbage.

00:34:46.160 They were picking up body bags, dumping them in a garbage fail, and that was it.

00:34:49.600 On to the next one.

00:34:50.380 They were there was no cameras allowed to be had because then you can figure out how many

00:34:54.060 people were actually dying.

00:34:55.080 But I think there's somebody who knows the real number, and it's got to be in the millions

00:34:59.000 if we lost over a million here in America.

00:35:02.060 It is really, really high.

00:35:03.800 And as you point out, we don't know because they did their best to prevent the world from

00:35:08.560 finding out about it.

00:35:09.540 But they were picking up people like firewood from the streets and cremating them.

00:35:15.700 And we'll never know until the Communist Party opens up its files.

00:35:19.620 In other words, after the party is gone.

00:35:21.520 And then we'll see the archives.

00:35:22.720 I wonder if they even know how many were, because it was just, I mean, thinking back

00:35:27.760 at it now, we were, you know, you were on the show on Ludovs tonight very often, and we

00:35:31.160 were in, Lou's number one issue aside from the border was obviously China.

00:35:35.400 So he was very into it, investigated into it.

00:35:38.220 And I mean, we were to see every single day these bodies picked up in bags, thrown in

00:35:42.560 the back of a truck and disappeared, never to be seen again.

00:35:45.120 So China's deceitfulness and lies continues. 0.99

00:35:47.460 Gordon, I want to take one more quick break here.

00:35:49.060 Folks, if you haven't bought Gordon's book yet, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy 1.00

00:35:53.900 America, COVID was their start of their destruction of America, and they almost succeeded. 0.99

00:35:59.860 Thank God for President Trump.

00:36:01.560 Now we've got President Trump back.

00:36:02.800 We're coming right back with Gordon Chang.

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00:37:11.780 We're talking with Gordon Chang.

00:37:12.760 He's the author of Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.99

00:37:15.720 Of course, the foreword, as I told you, written by the great Lou Dobbs.

00:37:18.960 So if you have any reason to go buy the book, there you go.

00:37:23.660 Gordon, I want to turn to something we didn't get to last segment, Marco Rubio.

00:37:27.960 I want to get your thoughts on him being picked as Secretary of State

00:37:32.280 and the impact it will have on China, the impact it will have on the rest of the world,

00:37:36.700 our enemies, our adversaries, and our allies.

00:37:40.000 Well, Marco Rubio as Secretary of State and Michael Waltz as National Security Advisor

00:37:45.020 are two people who understand China.

00:37:48.120 And that's exactly what China doesn't want. 0.99

00:37:50.800 You know, Rubio has the experience of Cuba.

00:37:53.300 He knows what it's like to live under communist society.

00:37:56.200 And so, therefore, we've got someone who really believes this.

00:38:03.300 And that's important because this is not just a matter of a policy choice.

00:38:08.060 This is someone who understands the life and death nature of communism.

00:38:13.180 So I think that that was a great choice as Secretary of State.

00:38:18.000 I mean, do you think he has what it takes to go in and negotiate?

00:38:22.940 Now, Pompeo was – I know Pompeo is a friend of yours.

00:38:27.320 I wasn't so fond of him.

00:38:29.180 But – and I think President Trump towards the end wasn't so fond of him.

00:38:32.400 I think there were some things he did that sort of were undercutting

00:38:37.340 what President Trump was trying to do when it came to the releasing of documents,

00:38:41.460 things like that.

00:38:42.360 So, you know, I kind of put him in the same basket as Nikki Haley,

00:38:45.280 maybe not as bad as her, but cut from the same cloth.

00:38:48.640 Bad enough that President Trump was, you know,

00:38:50.980 not asking him to join his administration.

00:38:52.980 Do you think Rubio has the experience of a Pompeo to negotiate with China,

00:38:59.500 to negotiate with Iran?

00:39:02.140 President Trump's new best friend, Elon Musk, apparently,

00:39:04.900 is pretty good at negotiating, reportedly speaking,

00:39:08.220 with the ambassadors to Iran to try to see if we can simmer down tensions there

00:39:12.440 a little bit before he heads into office.

00:39:14.480 Yeah, I don't think that Rubio has the experience that Pompeo has negotiating with China.

00:39:21.000 But I think Rubio will come up to speed very quickly.

00:39:24.820 I mean, I look at Pompeo from, you know, the China perspective.

00:39:28.880 And I understand what you're saying about the domestic stuff,

00:39:31.380 which I don't really follow.

00:39:33.460 But Pompeo was really tough on China.

00:39:36.720 Remember, he closed the Houston consulate.

00:39:38.860 And that was a good first step.

00:39:41.680 And I think there were other things that he was going to do.

00:39:45.080 But also, the other thing that Pompeo did, which was important,

00:39:49.360 was on his last day in office,

00:39:50.820 he declared that what China was doing to the Uyghurs,

00:39:54.500 Kazakhs, and other Turkic minorities constituted genocide.

00:39:58.740 And that designation has been kept in place by his successor,

00:40:02.880 Antony Blinken.

00:40:04.000 So that was important.

00:40:05.480 And sometimes you need to come out and say those things.

00:40:09.420 And Pompeo did it.

00:40:11.200 And I think Rubio will be able to carry that forward.

00:40:14.860 Because, as I said, Rubio believes these things.

00:40:18.060 And whatever lack of experience he has, he'll make up for it very quickly.

00:40:22.740 Yeah.

00:40:22.980 And you know what?

00:40:23.780 I shouldn't even ask that question.

00:40:25.020 Because thinking back now at some of these folks,

00:40:27.660 you had mentioned Antony Blinken, Secretary of State.

00:40:30.920 You can go down the list, Gordon.

00:40:32.240 Pete Buttigieg's Department of Transportation,

00:40:35.480 coming out, making comments that Republicans wanted to close roads,

00:40:39.640 that Puerto Ricans and blacks come across, so they're racist. 0.98

00:40:43.180 And then you got the guy Sam Britton from the Pentagon,

00:40:46.020 or wherever he was, the State Department,

00:40:47.500 the transgender, bald guy who was stealing people's luggage. 0.96

00:40:51.600 I mean, you can go down a laundry list of all these people

00:40:53.780 who were completely inexperienced.

00:40:55.340 You had the fellow at HHS who looked like Mitch McConnell with a wig on.

00:40:59.640 How you have a transgender. 1.00

00:41:02.640 I mean, actually, I don't know why I say transgender.

00:41:04.240 There's no such thing.

00:41:05.020 Why you have a man pretending to be a woman over there at HHS when he knows damn well 0.59

00:41:09.580 there's no such thing.

00:41:10.480 It's not even possible.

00:41:12.220 So to talk about qualifications for the Trump Department,

00:41:15.200 every Trump cabinet, they've far exceeded expectations of this prior administration.

00:41:23.620 So everyone, in my opinion, he's picked so far is, I think, well-suited to take the job

00:41:28.400 or to figure out on the day.

00:41:29.920 I'm not all for putting these career politicians, these career bureaucrats in jobs, Gordon.

00:41:34.640 You look at where it's gotten us.

00:41:36.580 You look at the Pentagon, who we've had running the Pentagon.

00:41:40.260 Everyone's going crazy about Pete Hegseth.

00:41:42.220 I know Pete.

00:41:42.920 I've gotten to know him while I worked at Fox.

00:41:44.400 Very good guy.

00:41:45.960 He's got a career service record in the military, and the left is going absolutely crazy.

00:41:51.400 Why are they going crazy?

00:41:52.460 Because he's never worked in the Pentagon before.

00:41:54.300 I think that's extra qualification.

00:41:56.960 These people, Gordon, you have in there, seventh straight audit in a row, Gordon,

00:42:00.800 they're unable to account for their budget.

00:42:02.880 Where do you find these?

00:42:04.080 I told Roger Stone yesterday, him or I could have been put in the Pentagon,

00:42:07.860 and we would have run the place better than it's being run right now.

00:42:10.580 What's your thoughts?

00:42:12.060 Yeah, I think Pete Hegseth will be great, and there's a lot of reasons.

00:42:17.180 One that we don't focus on is you've got a Pentagon right now that is not meeting recruiting goals,

00:42:22.380 or if it's meeting them, it's dropping their standards.

00:42:25.120 And I think Pete will be really good in getting people to want to join the military once again

00:42:31.620 because he'll make people proud again.

00:42:34.180 You know, you've had this crowd under Lloyd Austin.

00:42:39.180 You know, he was a general, but what he did was he undermined our ability to fight.

00:42:44.680 And I think that Hegseth will come in, and as you say, he'll have a fresh eye,

00:42:49.740 he will not be beholden to the interests, and he will do the right thing.

00:42:54.580 And that's really, really important.

00:42:57.160 Yeah, and it'll be a new breath of fresh air.

00:42:59.360 Before we get over to Ukraine, I want to talk about the World War III drum being beat over there with Ukraine and Russia. 0.97

00:43:05.240 I want to talk a little about Jimmy Lai over in Hong Kong right now, his trial starting over there.

00:43:11.660 And the importance, you know, it shows the world.

00:43:15.520 The media tycoon locked up because he spoke out against Beijing, against Xi Jinping.

00:43:21.560 Xi Jinping wants to talk about democracy, but here he is looking to jail not a political opponent,

00:43:30.260 but someone who speaks out against it.

00:43:32.180 What do you think this means, Gordon, as we see now this trial go forward for Jimmy Lai?

00:43:36.920 Yeah.

00:43:37.660 What's happening at this moment is exactly what China didn't want to happen.

00:43:42.240 They didn't want to try Jimmy Lai because they didn't want Jimmy Lai speaking to the people of Hong Kong

00:43:48.860 and the people of the world.

00:43:50.400 And, you know, Jimmy has decided that he is absolutely going to do that, and he did it.

00:43:57.080 And so, you know, Beijing right now, I think, is looking for a way to release him.

00:44:02.540 He's almost 77.

00:44:04.700 He's in poor health with diabetes.

00:44:07.180 The last thing that they want is for him to die in prison.

00:44:11.100 And so, right now, his trial under the national security law is occurring.

00:44:17.160 It's not going well for Beijing.

00:44:19.100 Of course, he'll be convicted.

00:44:20.980 But we also remember China is now trying to snuff out all free expression in Hong Kong.

00:44:27.120 Another very important figure, Benny Tai, formerly of the University of Hong Kong,

00:44:31.520 was just given a 10-year sentence.

00:44:34.180 And there were 44 others of the Hong Kong 47 who were just dealt harsh sentences.

00:44:39.100 So this is Beijing going very hard against any sort of expression in Hong Kong.

00:44:50.100 Yeah, and I think if convicted, he faces life in jail.

00:44:53.940 Obviously, anything over 10, 15 years would probably be a death sentence for him anyway.

00:44:59.420 And literally, Jordan, what's the force for speaking up, speaking out against Beijing

00:45:04.300 and their atrocities that they released on their own people, right?

00:45:07.480 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:45:10.540 It is unbelievable.

00:45:12.280 Jimmy Lai is one of the bravest people in the world.

00:45:14.960 He was a billionaire, still maybe.

00:45:17.680 He chose to stay in Hong Kong and to speak out.

00:45:22.500 You know, he's one of the world's true heroes.

00:45:25.700 Right now, there are a number of heroes in Hong Kong.

00:45:28.460 And the Biden administration didn't do very much to try to free them.

00:45:33.780 I think President Trump, who knows about the case of Jimmy Lai, will do more.

00:45:39.460 And I do hope that we are able to spring them.

00:45:43.500 Beijing, as I said, probably doesn't want to keep Jimmy.

00:45:46.540 So maybe there's something that we can do here.

00:45:49.580 We pray to God, because it's just unbelievable the things that China does to their people 1.00

00:45:54.660 and anyone who speaks out against their dictatorship.

00:45:57.260 But at the end of the day, Gordon, it's the same thing that's happening here in America.

00:46:00.200 It's the same thing that's happening in Venezuela.

00:46:02.000 So we have our own problems, but we pray to God that he makes it out alive of the situation.

00:46:07.380 I want to turn to an issue happening over in Russia and Ukraine.

00:46:12.920 Joe Biden last week allowing Ukraine to launch long-range U.S. missiles into Russia.

00:46:20.580 Russia, the Kremlin accusing Biden of doing everything they can to keep this war going.

00:46:25.740 It makes perfect sense.

00:46:27.540 He wants to start a war before he leaves office, put it on President Trump and say, see you later.

00:46:33.280 U.S. has closed their embassy in Kiev over significant air attack intelligence,

00:46:38.580 meaning Russia is probably going to start sending over some missiles of their own.

00:46:42.900 You and I spoke before the show, and we might be in a disagreeance here.

00:46:46.860 Tell me your thoughts on this.

00:46:48.380 Well, Russia is bringing in North Korean troops, and probably in very substantial numbers.

00:46:56.400 This is a major escalation of the war, and something has to be done.

00:47:01.240 You know, a lot of people say that allowing Ukraine to fire the attack on missiles into Russia is dangerous.

00:47:07.840 And yes, it's exceedingly dangerous.

00:47:10.540 But that's no longer a meaningful objection.

00:47:13.660 And the reason is that everything going forward is dangerous, and the policies that we have in place right now,

00:47:20.480 and if we were to continue them, you know, trying to exercise, quote-unquote, restraint,

00:47:27.440 are going to lead to even worse situation.

00:47:30.060 Got to go back to February 2022 when Putin was threatening to use his nuclear weapons,

00:47:35.060 and Biden was obviously intimidated.

00:47:38.160 Putin got the signal.

00:47:39.140 He invaded Ukraine.

00:47:41.160 Now Putin has continued to threaten to use his nukes.

00:47:44.920 And no matter what we do, unless we are willing to give up all of Europe to Russia, 0.88

00:47:50.980 allow Russia to annex Ukraine, Poland, France, Germany, 0.66

00:47:55.540 we are going to at one point have to say to Putin,

00:47:59.440 we will not be intimidated by your threats to use nuclear weapons.

00:48:03.320 I think that we stand up earlier rather than later.

00:48:07.580 People can disagree.

00:48:09.060 But the point is, unless you want Russia to rule the world, 0.95

00:48:13.140 because he's going to make the same threats,

00:48:14.620 he's going to make those threats until someone stops him.

00:48:17.860 We've got to do something.

00:48:19.900 But Ukraine, Gorin, the way I see it is there's no winning way for Ukraine forward.

00:48:24.640 I mean, Ukraine is not going to defeat Russia.

00:48:26.800 I think we could all agree on that.

00:48:28.500 But why wouldn't Biden just wait two months?

00:48:32.240 I mean, we're going into dead season now, Gordon.

00:48:34.500 Congress will be out of session.

00:48:37.040 Senate will be out of session.

00:48:38.800 Joe Biden will be on vacation.

00:48:40.140 Kamala Harris just flew down to Hawaii with Doug Emhoff. 0.95

00:48:43.220 I mean, why couldn't he just wait and leave it to Trump to,

00:48:48.060 nothing's going to significantly change between Ukraine and Russia in the next month or so.

00:48:51.520 Why couldn't Biden just sit back, relax, and say,

00:48:55.660 President Trump, you said you're going to end this war.

00:48:57.660 Go ahead and end this war. 0.93

00:48:59.800 Well, I think that Biden's policy should have been substantially different from the beginning of

00:49:04.120 this.

00:49:04.540 And if he were tougher and if he were to show some moral fortitude,

00:49:08.920 there would never have been an invasion of Ukraine.

00:49:11.780 But the answer to your question about why now is because Russia, with North Korean troops,

00:49:18.580 is about to launch a counteroffensive in the Kursk region, as well as other places.

00:49:24.340 And so there was, I think, a point where something had to be done at this particular time.

00:49:29.980 I'm not defending Biden policy because I think that he opened the door to this invasion.

00:49:35.700 Of course.

00:49:36.080 But right now, considering the dire situation, we've got to do something.

00:49:42.500 You know, one other thing, and that is we had the Buddha, we signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994.

00:49:49.960 We got an important advantage.

00:49:52.280 We got Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons.

00:49:54.720 If Russia absorbs Ukraine, then the rest of the world is going to develop nukes on their own, 0.92

00:50:01.320 because they're going to say that the word of the United States means nothing.

00:50:04.880 They can't rely on us, which means we're essentially we're going to have a lot of countries around the world,

00:50:10.180 perhaps dozens with their own nuclear weapons.

00:50:13.000 That endangers American security in a way that we can't imagine.

00:50:17.340 So although a lot of people will say, and I can understand the arguments,

00:50:21.840 the point is we have got some really bad choices and we got to make the least bad option.

00:50:28.120 I want to get your take on one last thing here, because you brought up nuclear weapons.

00:50:31.780 President Trump, his first term in office towards the end, he looked towards denuclearizing the world,

00:50:37.700 and he was apparently discussing that with Russia and other nations who have nuclear capabilities.

00:50:44.020 Do you think that's a possibility?

00:50:45.920 What's your thoughts on that?

00:50:46.960 Do you think it's a good idea?

00:50:48.240 Do you think it's a bad idea that we just go back and revert to a good old war,

00:50:53.560 ground wars and missiles and not have to go nuclear and ruin the whole world?

00:50:59.340 That's a five hour answer.

00:51:01.240 But a really short way of looking at it is that the United States is the most powerful nation on Earth.

00:51:08.380 If nobody had nuclear weapons, we would be even more powerful than we are now,

00:51:13.200 because a country with just 20 nukes, country with just one nuke, equalizes the power of the United States.

00:51:21.600 So that, you know, this is Reagan's idea.

00:51:24.880 And I think it was a good one.

00:51:26.660 The problem right now is you can't denuclearize the world in when it's on the edge of catastrophe.

00:51:31.820 We have used our nuclear umbrella to protect our friends.

00:51:36.100 If we don't have it, we have to have a military which is four or five times larger than it is now.

00:51:41.940 Obviously, we can't afford that.

00:51:43.880 So nuclear weapons are the ones that keep peace.

00:51:47.860 They've kept peace for a long time.

00:51:51.200 I don't think we should change our policies at this particular moment.

00:51:54.820 If Trump can negotiate something different, then we can think about it.

00:51:58.780 But right now, this is one of the most perilous moments, perhaps the most consequential moment in history.

00:52:04.760 Yeah, I think we're going to see a lot of change coming over the next few months with Joe Biden leaving office.

00:52:08.680 He couldn't have done any more destruction than he did, Gordon, in my opinion, when it came to America, when it came to the Middle East, when it came to our southern border.

00:52:17.800 You know, he's taken the term racist.

00:52:20.180 He's been called everything because he wants to secure a border.

00:52:22.700 We now look at Sweden is going to limit citizenship to those who share fundamental values.

00:52:28.540 I wonder if the prime minister over there is going to be called a racist or a xenophobe for wanting to secure their country from people who may not be good actors.

00:52:38.680 For their country.

00:52:39.880 Gordon Chang, the book is Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.

00:52:43.160 Christmas is around the corner, folks.

00:52:45.180 Get a copy for everyone.

00:52:46.280 Gordon, your final thoughts for the world, for America.

00:52:50.920 John, you are absolutely right.

00:52:53.380 Those comments are really, really important.

00:52:57.340 We've got to secure our border.

00:52:59.620 We've got to secure our country.

00:53:01.940 Biden, whether it was intentional or negligent or whatever, took our country down.

00:53:09.540 Trump is going to save it.

00:53:11.220 I believe, and not everyone is a Christian or a believer, but I believe that God intervened.

00:53:19.660 Yeah, I think so, too.

00:53:20.720 And for anyone who disagrees with that, go ahead and look at that rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, where President Trump went like this and a bullet went like this.

00:53:29.260 If you guys don't have faith when you look at something like that, then you probably never will.

00:53:34.320 So we pray that you get it.

00:53:36.160 Gordon Chang, once again, the book is Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America, available on Amazon, wherever you get your books.

00:53:41.620 We recommend it to you highly.

00:53:42.780 Get a copy for you, a family member, a friend.

00:53:45.020 Christmas is around the corner.

00:53:46.320 Gordon Chang, we'll see you soon.

00:53:47.960 We'll talk to you soon.

00:53:48.660 Be well, my friend.

00:53:49.240 Yes, and you, too, John, and thank you so much.

00:53:52.080 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today here on The Great America Show.

00:53:54.800 We hope to see you back here tomorrow as our quest for truth, justice, and the American way continues.

00:54:00.180 And as I said, folks, we recommend Gordon's book to you highly.

00:54:03.720 We don't just say it for our health or just to sell a book.

00:54:08.360 I've read through the whole entire book.

00:54:10.060 I think it's an absolute read.

00:54:11.700 But for anyone who cares about this country when it comes to China, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.97

00:54:17.420 Folks, we'll see you right back here tomorrow.

00:54:19.000 Same time, same place for The Great America Show.

00:54:21.620 Until then, may God bless you.

00:54:23.420 May God bless America.

00:54:24.560 And may God bless the great Lou Dobbs.

The Great America Show - November 21, 2024

THE DAYS OF WEAK FOREIGN POLICY ARE OVER!

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