Trump is the odds-on favorite to win the 2020 Republican presidential nomination. John McLaughlin gives us his analysis on the impact of the Biden-Bragg indictment on the Trump campaign and how it will impact the 2020 primary race.
00:00:00.000Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show.
00:00:04.680Welcome and great to have you with us.
00:00:06.820The Great American divide between Republicans and Democrats is widening.
00:00:11.580That divide between conservatives, independents, and patriots of all kinds
00:00:15.960versus the Marxist left and so-called progressives.
00:00:20.320This is a national struggle for power. It has been for some time.
00:00:24.840But now the Republicans and independents are recognizing the Marxist Dems for what they really are,
00:00:31.820a fifth column of totalitarians that means to destroy America, to tear down this republic,
00:00:38.840to shred our Constitution and turn over the country to the globalists who align with Communist China.
00:00:46.120Xi Jinping is preparing, it appears, to exert military control over the Taiwan Strait, and soon,
00:00:52.800which would be an act of war if this were not, in fact, the Biden presidency.
00:00:58.180Russia says it's now in a hot war with the United States.
00:01:02.380And the Marxist Dems this week indicted the party's only threat.
00:01:07.160That is, the 45th president of the United States and the presumptive Republican presidential nominee in 2024.
00:01:15.220Not even Marxist Dems can believe the New Yorkers were so reckless and corrupt.
00:01:20.580And sure enough, President Trump is now indisputably the odds-on favorite to win the White House next year.
00:01:28.800Here now to give us his considerable insight into the political impact of that indictment,
00:01:34.560our guest is GOP strategist and pollster John McLaughlin.
00:01:39.000John, welcome and always good to have you with us here on The Great America Show.
00:01:43.220So, so tell us, what is the state of our body politic from your perspective?
00:01:48.040How big are the numbers for President Trump after the indictment?
00:01:53.760Well, I mean, we predicted that this Biden-Bragg indictment of Donald Trump was going to backfire.
00:02:03.580That's what our March 21st national poll said.
00:02:06.680And we just did a campaign poll for President Trump's campaign that was conducted right after the indictment on Friday night and Saturday afternoon, Saturday during the day.
00:02:20.860And it showed that that's exactly right.
00:02:24.220Because I told President Trump, you got to realize the only crime you've committed is you're ahead of Joe Biden in the polls.
00:02:31.520And it's been like that for over a year, ever since Biden tanked the economy and ever since Biden, you know,
00:02:40.300basically he surrendered Afghanistan, weakened our national foreign policy.
00:02:43.920So in that recent Trump campaign poll, we had Trump leading Biden nationally, 47 percent to 43 percent among all likely voters.
00:02:54.120And we never saw that in 2016 against Hillary Clinton in our national popular vote or against Joe Biden.
00:03:00.520We were close in the battleground states, but we were behind in the national popular vote.
00:03:05.040And that's posted on our website, on McLaughlin online dot com.
00:03:10.900But ever since Joe Biden surrendered in Afghanistan, Donald Trump's been beating him nationally and would beat him in a landslide.
00:03:19.240And because of that, all of a sudden, you know, they you know, here's a president who's been impeached twice, defeated the Democrats with that.
00:03:27.260Investigated by a kangaroo court for January 6th committee, had their FBI raid his home in Mar-a-Lago.
00:03:34.220And now they've got a Soros funded left wing radical prosecutor out of Manhattan to indict him on bogus charges that the whole country knows is is is purely political.
00:03:47.560And Donald Trump has surged in the primary where in January in our monthly poll, he was leading a field, the Republican field, 43 to 31 for DeSantis, five for Pence.
00:04:00.080In the Trump campaign poll that we just completed, it's 51 percent Donald Trump, only 21 percent Ron DeSantis, six percent for Mike Pence, four percent for Nikki Haley, two percent for Mitt Romney.
00:04:12.020Everybody else gets less. And one on one against Ron DeSantis, who is the great D.C. establishment's answer to Donald Trump.
00:04:24.740And it's because a lot of people nationally didn't think Trump, you know, he announced, but they weren't sure he was exactly right.
00:04:30.640And since then, he's been to New Hampshire, South Carolina, Davenport, Iowa, Waco, Texas, and visited East Palestine.
00:04:39.040And he's out there running hard. And the Democrats take him very seriously to the point that they created this bogus indictment.
00:04:45.140And now Donald Trump leads Ron DeSantis one on one among all Republican primary voters, 63 percent to 30 percent, a 33 percent lead.
00:04:56.760So it's very likely that Donald Trump is going to get the nomination, particularly the more they prosecute him.
00:05:02.660You know, they're going to have some sort of hearing on these charges they just filed in December and then they're going to have a trial in January.
00:05:09.760In January, we have the Iowa caucuses on January 22nd and January 30th.
00:05:14.700You have the New Hampshire primary. I mean, clearly, Biden and Soros are doing everything they can to make sure, you know, that Donald Trump isn't the nominee, but it's going to backfire.
00:05:25.740And Republicans see it for what it is. And the American voters see it for what it is.
00:05:31.500I think everybody in this country is watching it and sees it for what it is.
00:05:37.000John, there is Democrat, Republican, you name it.
00:05:40.440Everybody knows that's a crooked operation in Manhattan.
00:05:46.820As President Trump said, he got one percent vote in Manhattan.
00:05:53.000He doesn't much think he doesn't much think his odds of getting a good jury are very high, you know, and we're laughing about it.
00:06:01.460But this is for this man. This is just the continuation of seven years of political persecution.
00:06:06.480And not a damn soul will step in and find the decency, the courage and the leadership to say enough, not a one in the Democratic Party.
00:06:15.920And all you know very well, if Schumer had that kind of character and capacity as a human being and and a political leader, he would shut it down because he knows that it's an evil act on the part of what was once the party of loyal opposition to the Republicans.
00:06:35.180It is now a Marxist dim led party intent on tearing asunder this great republic.
00:06:41.780It's that it's that straightforward to me.
00:06:44.500Yeah, I think, you know, the American people agree with you when we asked the voters in the Trump campaign survey on April 1st, when we asked them the Manhattan district attorney's indictment, is it, you know, is this rigged against Donald Trump?
00:06:59.980Only 37 percent of the voters said that Trump can get a fair trial in Manhattan.
00:07:04.48047 percent of all voters in the country said no.
00:07:07.000Republicans, Republicans, only 18 percent said yes.
00:07:25.440That's a fantasy world and the voters know it.
00:07:27.460And when we asked him about weaponizing, and these are really distressing numbers because when we asked him about, you know, has Joe Biden and the radical left weaponized the justice system to prosecute their political opponents?
00:07:39.34048 percent of all voters in the country agreed with that.
00:07:47.460And when we asked about, you know, Joe Biden and the Democrats spending too much time and resources to go after Donald Trump with phony political attacks, which are a waste of time and money, instead of solving the country's real problems like the economy, inflation, crime, immigration, national security, 57 percent of all voters in the country agreed with that statement.
00:08:14.600They see that this is, I mean, it's unbelievable when the president of El Salvador, the president of Mexico, they start saying that this is, you know, this is wrong and it shouldn't happen in a democracy.
00:08:28.400I have clients in Europe, like Prime Minister Orban in Hungary and other places that were once controlled by the Soviet Union and controlled by communists.
00:08:40.760And they say, this is what the communists did when they took over our countries.
00:08:45.680They created fake, you know, cases against legitimate national figures and they persecuted them, sent them to jail, locked them up.
00:09:12.120But interestingly, George Soros is behind everything that is happening in this historic indictment, historic and dark and deeply disturbing to all Americans.
00:09:26.200George Soros turns out to be the, if you will, the opposition to one of your clients in Europe.
00:09:37.460Well, he's years ago in the 20th century, he was on the on the anti-communist side and was was with Victor Orban in the freedom movement.
00:09:49.300Then he turned on on them and he tried over the years, Soros, for your listeners, Soros is somebody who makes his money by collapsing currencies and watching people suffer and profiting from it.
00:10:03.520He tried to collapse the Hungarian currency.
00:10:06.100He tried to collapse the English pound, the British pound.
00:10:09.720He tried to collapse other countries' currencies because that's how he's made his billions of dollars that he's now pumping into the decline in the United States.
00:10:20.240And he went after, you know, our client, because I ended up doing the polling for Victor Orban after Arthur Finkelstein passed away, who was originally his pollster.
00:10:31.460And we had in 2018, they had an election.
00:10:34.160And Soros is a globalist who wanted Hungary to take in migrants like the rest of Europe from all over the world, from the Middle East and from Africa, et cetera.
00:10:45.440And it's a small country, 10 million people.
00:10:48.600So they built a fence, a security fence on this southern border and controlled their immigration and to control their culture.
00:10:55.980And Soros has been after them ever since.
00:10:58.320And Orban won with a record amount of votes in his country in 2018, and he got a, you know, a supermajority in parliament.
00:11:08.880And then going into this election in 2022, the last election in April of 2022, they tried to organize the opposition against Orban into one party and had like an Iowa caucus-style vote.
00:11:22.640And after one candidate dropped out, they found another socialist.
00:11:26.540And, you know, we clearly define them as socialists.
00:11:29.280And Hungary's an EU country, and that has done very well under capitalism and free markets.
00:11:38.540And we ended up, you know, beating the candidate that they picked against us, even bigger margin, even greater supermajority.
00:11:47.780Because a month, a couple months before the election, the Russians invaded Ukraine, and Hungary's on the border, had to take in all these refugees.
00:11:58.700And they're worried they don't want to be involved in a war unless they have to be with NATO.
00:12:03.620But, you know, they basically, the voters of Hungary decided to stay with Viktor Orban in record numbers.
00:12:10.080And it's precisely because of his policies and precisely because they feel safer with him.
00:12:14.480But Soros is, you know, somehow encouraging this chaos in Europe against their allies.
00:12:20.840So, and the Biden administration goes along with it because they've got people all throughout, you know, the bureaucracy in Brussels and the Washington State Department to undermine, you know, America First strong policies that Donald Trump put there.
00:12:35.080Donald Trump and Viktor Orban endorsed Trump in 2016 before his first election.
00:12:43.000So that automatically, you know, qualifies for the deep state to try to, you know, fight against not just Trump, but also anybody in the world who supports his, you know, policies to put, you know, democracy, freedom, liberty first.
00:12:56.260And the deep state is, as always, aligned with George Soros.
00:13:00.900And the likelihood is that George Soros is spending far more money than anyone knows about in Hungary.
00:13:11.160Give us a sense of how much money he's spending there.
00:13:14.580I, you know, I don't know as much because a lot of it is funded through NGOs, these non-government organizations, these nonprofits, just like he's done in the United States.
00:13:23.780I mean, he funds NGOs that fund guys like Alvin Bragg and fund the open border policies.
00:13:30.540I mean, they fund the policies that have opened our border and stopped the, you know, the Trump policy of building the wall.
00:13:37.400So it goes through these, you know, dark money groups that go into the NGOs.
00:13:42.380And it's, you know, hard to trace, but it's, it's millions upon millions of dollars.
00:13:47.660And, uh, and it's, it's, it's, you know, harder to trace in Europe than it is in the United States.
00:13:54.580See if you would agree with this statement, uh, because we are watching such rampant, pervasive corruption.
00:14:01.940And the Marxist Dems control the federal government.
00:14:08.620Uh, the fact is they control the federal government.
00:14:12.840Uh, and in many cases, uh, they, they subvert policy through, uh, non-government, uh, organizations and, uh, not-for-profit organizations, uh, all across this country.
00:14:26.760We've got something like, I, I, the last time I checked, it was over 3 million not-for-profits in this country operating.
00:14:35.800And the way they're being used now politically and the sociologically, uh, is to fund exact opposite organizations to whatever the public policy is that they want to destroy.
00:14:50.180We're at illegal immigration, uh, border, uh, security, the one at wide open, uh, they, they're throughout all of Latin America dealing with these huge inflows of illegal immigrants into the United States in cooperation, of course, with the welcoming Biden administration.
00:15:07.860I say we can't defeat, defeat corruption in this country at any level until we abolish non-profits.
00:15:17.020And people have to understand what that means.
00:15:25.460Well, I think, I think that, uh, to me, I'm like stunned that the RNC didn't, the Republican National Committee didn't file, uh, IRS complaints or FEC complaints against the Zuckerberg money that will, the nonprofits that put it over $400 million into defeating Donald Trump in the last election.
00:15:44.020Because they not only were able to do it, they got a tax deduction to do it.
00:15:49.940So when you think about the fact that Zuckerberg was funding, uh, efforts to register and, and, and get out the vote and have drop boxes in places where there were more Democrats than Republicans, but not in the Republican areas.
00:16:05.820I mean, that's partisan political activity that's supposed to be prohibited, but nobody's really made a challenge to it.
00:16:12.060And you've got it going on now with these source NGOs and there's, there's this abuse going on, whether they're, whether it's the, you know, they're promoting releasing criminals or importing illegal aliens into the United States or, uh, trying to subvert the elections directly by having non-citizens vote.
00:16:30.880That's the other one that that's a great, great idea.
00:16:33.720Let's let anyone move here and then be able to vote in elections like they, they do in Vermont, parts of Maryland, Massachusetts, uh, uh, they're trying to do it in New York city.
00:16:43.500And, and, and now the new governor, the new governor, the new mayor of Chicago, he says he wants illegal immigrants voting period.
00:16:52.320I mean, this is, the Midwest is turning into a bizarre Marxist zone, uh, if you will, uh, occupied territory, uh, in this country by the Marxists.
00:17:07.520Their plan is to, is to, uh, uh, David Plouffe wrote a book, how to defeat, uh, citizens got to defeat Donald Trump in March of 2020 before the election.
00:17:16.480He put it down there and he was like, Trump got out more voters in battleground states.
00:17:20.580What we're going to do is we're going to focus on the handful of counties in those states that would, uh, that would turn the battleground states against Trump.
00:17:30.920They've gone into Maricopa County, Arizona.
00:17:33.040They've gone into, uh, they've gone into Dane County and Milwaukee County in Wisconsin.
00:17:39.040They've gone into Fulton County in Georgia.
00:17:41.500And that's where they're funding these efforts, uh, in a handful of counties that are urban counties where they're creating these socialist, uh, you know, driven, uh, radical left, whether it's, uh, prosecutors, mayors, whatever.
00:17:58.280And our voters are fleeing those areas and they're either moving to the suburbs or exurbs or they're moving out of those states.
00:18:05.080And, uh, you know, so that's why you get big, it's a trend going on for a long time in Florida.
00:18:11.020That's why you get big Republican wins in Florida.
00:18:13.360That's why Tennessee is a deep red state now.
00:18:17.040And, you know, you're, you, you see Republicans win big there.
00:18:21.300And also a lot of these states have no income tax.
00:18:24.220So it's, uh, um, so, and they're the ones prospering while these other states are, are not doing well as far as their economies go.
00:18:32.220But, uh, John, while we're in the region, the Southeast, explain Georgia to me, I can, what happened to that state?
00:18:39.860I, a, a, a absolutely terrific red state, reliable as it could be.
00:18:47.700And the next thing we know, Stacey Abrams comes, uh, comes a running and, uh, uh, mixes it all up.
00:18:54.960And now it looks to me like we're headed toward a Georgia blue state.
00:19:20.840And during that time, where Sonny Perdue was governor and I worked for, uh, governor Nathan Deal and Nathan did a great job.
00:19:29.520They really sought to keep taxes low to, uh, uh, you know, increase, attract businesses, increase, uh, do well with their state's economy.
00:19:40.060And I would, I would often say to governor Deal, I said, you're making this look easy because in the elections, I worked for him in 2010 and 2014, his reelection where he won decisively 8%.
00:19:50.860Uh, the, the electorate was a third Republican, a third Democrat, a third independent, and we were winning by eight points and things were going well.
00:19:59.040But in the, in the process, people were moving from other states that were bringing, uh, their politics with them.
00:20:06.580So now this, the votes are determined in the Metro Atlanta area by people who moved in from all the Northern states and were not born and raised in the South.
00:20:17.620And they may have been a Republican in Pennsylvania or Ohio or New York, wherever they came from, but they don't want to be seen as too conservative.
00:20:25.940And, and, and, and all of a sudden they start voting for Raphael Warnock.
00:20:48.060Who passed away, uh, after the election led the effort to clean up.
00:20:54.240The reforms that went in during COVID that Raffensperger signed off on Nathan deal would have never signed off on those reforms where they had these drop boxes that were unsecured, et cetera, cost in the race.
00:21:04.920But once we had voter ID for everybody, whether absentee or in person, the drop boxes were secured.
00:21:11.140They were put into government buildings.
00:21:12.600You didn't have people driving up, dropping an honor balance anymore to kill the ballot harvesting.
00:21:17.920Every statewide elected official last November was from camp on down was a Republican because it was an honest election.
00:21:26.500And I remember Biden and major league baseball.
00:21:29.640They moved the all-star game out of Atlanta, insulting Hank Aaron and the Braves, the world champion Braves.
00:21:36.800They moved it out of, out of Atlanta because they said it was Jim Crow 2.0.
00:23:15.900I can tell you, you know, with no doubt about it, that there is not a single policy being followed by the Biden administration, the Biden regime, this impaired puppet president.
00:23:27.660Every single policy is designed for the shorts in the currency markets shorting the dollar.
00:23:51.540So George Soros has to be absolutely, you know, rejoicing at the effectiveness of the policies and the billions of dollars that he is throwing at mark-sizing the United States, I think, without any doubt whatsoever.
00:24:10.080As you talk about Georgia, we're looking at other states.
00:24:14.320We're looking at other situations in the country.
00:24:18.800I can't help but think that this is a country that is now going, has no choice but to wake up to how evil the Democrats are, how much power they hold, and they must.
00:24:32.120And I was praying that it would be 2022.
00:24:35.520But 2024, without a doubt, has to be a Republican victory.
00:24:41.220They have to take control of every part of this government in order to the House, the Senate, the White House, and, I hope, a lot of the courts.
00:24:53.420Because otherwise, this country is going to be run by the Marxist Dems probably in perpetuity.
00:24:59.360No, I'd say that, I think, you know, I think you're right.
00:25:04.040And it's like, that's why every election, like, just, I mean, the elections we fought, it's like being in the Alamo, in New York, where I live.
00:25:11.960And my usual ally and client is not the Republican Party necessarily, but there are a lot of good people in New York fighting.
00:25:18.920But the New York State Conservative Party is the one who fought the ballots where they tried to, in effect, change redistricting, account illegals, have same-day registration of voters with no voter ID, and also to have no excuse absentee so they can enable ballot harvesting.
00:25:39.800But it's like fighting at the Alamo, where every day you've got to fight these things, because if you don't, they'll take over.
00:25:45.980And in New York State, ironically, our friends that fought that in the New York State Conservative Party, including Ronald Lauder, who funded their efforts, they enabled the redistricting that a judge threw at the Democrat gerrymander, and they were able to win 11 of the House seats in New York instead of four.
00:26:05.120And that's the margin that the Republicans have in Congress, and those members of Congress now, like Mike Lawler, who beat Sean Patrick Maloney and Anthony D'Esposito, and Brandon Williams up in Syracuse.
00:26:18.940I mean, they're the ones, they're the ones that Hakeem Jeffries is coming after, and we've got to make sure that we hold those seats and make sure that we keep the majority in Congress as well as we should be able to take over the Senate.
00:26:35.180There's 33 seats up, of which two-thirds are Democrats, including West Virginia, Nevada, Arizona, and we should be able to take the Senate, we should be able to keep the House, and we should be able to make sure Donald Trump gets elected president, because Joe Biden has destroyed the United States over the last two years.
00:26:55.620There are a number of things. Let me just say one thing. Talking with Alan Dershowitz, he brought up something. We're talking about the inundation in this country of the Marxist Dems, and it goes across academia as we were discussing, politics, you name it.
00:27:15.320But he said something about the law schools, which is the basis for all of this ESG, DEI nonsense that is being inculcated across public schools, across businesses, you name that as well, across the country.
00:27:33.900He pointed out that at the root of this within the law schools in this country, the great indoctrination and the great influence that is destabilizing American law and shifting it to far left is an organization called the National Law Guild.
00:27:56.080It was inspired by a communist. The Soviet Union had a great influence, Dershowitz said, for three or four decades in this country, and they are the reason that we're seeing Stanford and Yale and these other schools shouting down invited guests, trampling the First Amendment,
00:28:19.660and apparently, without question, radicalizing these young attorneys, and we're facing that prospect for years to come because there is no countervailing influence to the National Lawyers Guild within these universities.
00:28:37.280And by the way, a large part of the membership are law professors in these institutions. Were you aware of that? Because I was not until Dershowitz told me about it.
00:28:49.660Well, not so much the Guild, but I was certainly aware of organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center, where they, you know, they've been funding very anti-free speech and also that they've been censoring.
00:29:05.460They're the ones they use in the Justice Department as a reason to censor conservatives and conservative organizations.
00:29:11.640And by the way, I wouldn't say it's just law schools. They're in business schools.
00:29:14.500I mean, I got my MBA at a Fordham in New York, and you watch what goes on now with this, like you're saying, the diversity training and the ESG stuff.
00:29:26.760They're putting it all into these corporations.
00:29:30.200So Ford today announced that they're going to start making cars next year without AM radios.
00:29:35.080And why are they getting rid of AM radios out of cars?
00:29:39.920It's because the woke corporations, they're saying it interferes with their batteries and the electric cars.
00:29:45.100Well, they're getting rid of all their cars.
00:29:49.460Because conservatives listen to talk radio.
00:29:52.300I mean, so I'm not going to buy another Ford ever again.
00:29:56.480And and and we need to make sure that that, you know, we fight back because, again, it's it's corporate censorship.
00:30:05.360And, you know, Ford's making billions and they've got they're losing like they lost like three billion dollars making electric cars with China.
00:30:12.820Right. And they've got this battery deal with the Chinese.
00:30:39.260And by the way, I've been a Ford guy for most of my life.
00:30:44.660We got, you know, Ford trucks for, you know, all sorts of things.
00:30:48.540But the by the way, for tractors, I'm definitely a John Deere guy just to get the record straight.
00:30:54.860But Ford building a multibillion dollar plant in Mexico, just the other side of the border rather than putting it in the United States.
00:31:04.880So let me tell you, I am definitely not a Ford guy.
00:31:08.740And I'm not for anybody who continues to offshore their production and doesn't commit themselves to the middle class of this country.
00:31:16.860And I don't care if you're Republican.
00:31:18.440I don't care if you're a rhino, a Democrat, what you are.
00:31:22.640If you're not supporting the American middle class, the American family, I'm not going to buy your product and I'm not going to put up with you.
00:31:34.400And people have got to understand they have got to start using their their judgment in their consumer dollars, because that's what it's all about.
00:31:45.420And if they want to get rich off a bunch of Marxists, go get them, because they're not going to get rich off of this capitalist.
00:31:51.840You know, I just I have to I want to quote something because you were talking about business schools and you're exactly right, especially the human resources departments of these corporations.
00:32:42.060It's political corruption and it's getting much worse.
00:32:45.060Now, let me quote him because the future leaders of the bar, the future judges, the future professors are now at Stanford Law School, at Yale Law School, at Georgetown Law School, stopping people from speaking, saying the Constitution doesn't matter.
00:33:00.820That it's a white male patriarchal document and should be ignored.
00:34:11.020We always give our guests, as you know, the last word.
00:34:14.580And if you will, John, your concluding thought.
00:34:17.800Just as one last concluding thought from the poll that we did for the Trump campaign.
00:34:23.240As we speak, Hunter Biden is having an art show in Manhattan.
00:34:27.860And I doubt that Alvin Bragg has anybody there to watch the customers come in and pay six figures for his paint by numbers, whatever he's done, Hunter Biden.
00:34:40.040But I'm sure that the customers, maybe, maybe George Soros kind of people, maybe people from the Chinese consulate.
00:34:47.460But when we asked American voters about that, there's a double standard in the United States where the Biden family corruption escapes investigation.
00:35:04.460So American voters know we're in trouble and they know where this corruption starts and they know where it ends.
00:35:11.620And that's with Joe Biden and his corrupt family.
00:35:14.360And we just have to be able to keep getting the message out until the next election to make sure Donald Trump wins the nomination and make sure we beat Joe Biden.
00:35:24.060And so we've got a long time to go, but we're on the right path right now.
00:35:31.020Yeah, the war is underway, the political battle in all forms.
00:35:35.740And we simply have to understand it's it's now or never.
00:35:40.500By the way, we do know two Republican district attorneys want to prosecute now the Biden family, according to Congressman James Comer, the chairman of the House Oversight Committee.
00:35:55.060So it has begun because it is time for Republicans to wake up and get and get busy, as you have been saying throughout, John.