The Great America Show - THE FBI GROUP WHO LED THE SEARCH & SEIZURE AT MAR-A-LAGO ARE THE SAME GROUP BEING INVESTIGATED BY SP. COUNSEL JOHN DURHAM

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to this episode of The Great America Show. Good to have you with us. And let me say to you, you're much appreciated. Thanks for joining us. And all of a sudden, we're doing our 239th episode. 239 episodes. And we only started the show at the end of last year. So thanks for being with us along the way.

00:00:23.580 As we've all no doubt noticed, events are moving quickly in this great country of ours. And there is now underway an ever more massive political conflict of immense power and consequence. A conflict that grows sharper by the day and its rational resolution grows, it seems, more distant by the day as well.

00:00:44.500 Our impaired puppet president and his hateful speech last Thursday still reverberating through the country as he slurred half of all Americans as fascist. Biden's anger mask his desperation, facing as he does an electorate who disapprove of him, who say the country is going in the wrong direction. 0.52

00:01:04.860 And those MAGA Americans are outraged at Biden's hate and his lies, persistent and constant lies, and those of his attorney general, both of whom lied about their roles in the FBI raid of President Trump's Mar-a-Lago offices, and of course, also his son Barron's room and Melania's closet. Go figure.

00:01:27.740 Hillary Clinton was thrilled with Biden's hateful remarks, by the way. She said Biden did a very important service to the country by calling Republicans semi-fascist and reminding everyone she's the one who called Trump supporters deplorables.

00:01:44.900 And the man who wouldn't warn the American people that then-Vice President Biden was lying in the weeks before the 2020 election is talking up a storm now.

00:01:56.900 The man who famously declared the FBI had spied on President Trump, now defending that corrupt agency and on a whirlwind, week-long commentary broadside against President Trump.

00:02:10.040 A week ago, on the Mar-a-Lago raid, former Attorney General William Barr claimed President Trump had, as Barr put it, quote, jerked around the DOJ, then said he doubted Trump had declassified the documents, and if he had, it would have been an abuse of power.

00:02:30.020 Wow!

00:02:30.480 Then, two days later, Barr opined the judge's order to appoint a special master to oversee the Mar-a-Lago documents was, quote, wrong, while other attorneys were saying it should have been done and should have been done earlier.

00:02:46.520 And then Barr declared yesterday he believes the DOJ is close to indicting President Trump.

00:02:53.780 Pathetic is the only word, no.

00:02:56.440 There are lots of other words that apply as well to Barr.

00:03:00.480 Many more, in fact.

00:03:02.460 Our guest today has a lot to say about the FBI and the DOJ.

00:03:07.060 Our guest is Paul Sperry.

00:03:09.000 He is a great American, a great investigative reporter.

00:03:12.640 He's a reporter for Real Clear Investigations, a media fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.

00:03:19.640 And, Paul, it's great to have you with us here.

00:03:21.880 Welcome, and let's start with your take on the FBI's Mar-a-Lago raid.

00:03:27.440 So, we found in our investigation that the FBI officials who planned and executed the search and seizure at Mar-a-Lago, they belong to the very same FBI counterintelligence division that conducted the investigation of Trump's 2016 presidential campaign for so-called colluding with Russia.

00:03:49.580 And those that were involved in that are currently under investigation by special counsel John Durham.

00:03:56.780 So, they really should have been recused from any additional Trump investigations to avoid the taint of prejudicial motivation.

00:04:09.320 But they were not, in this case, in this counterintelligence, they call it a counterespionage investigation of Trump handling classified information in Mar-a-Lago.

00:04:22.280 So, yeah.

00:04:22.780 So, Christopher Wray, the current director of the FBI, has only walled those characters off from FISA wiretap applications.

00:04:31.820 But they can be involved in things, matters like this with Trump still.

00:04:37.560 Christopher Wray, someone styled him as a gangster the other day.

00:04:43.320 Others have had even less flattering things to say about him, yet he persists, and Congress and the Senate seem to manage to get along.

00:04:53.520 He has been a major problem throughout, has he not?

00:04:56.700 Yeah, he's stonewalled Congress, the investigative committees, and then the ranking minority,

00:05:04.800 which Democrats took the gavel back on those investigative oversight committees.

00:05:10.000 They'd asked for a number of documents on the Spygate, Russiagate scandal.

00:05:15.320 And he stonewalled them.

00:05:16.980 He stiffed them, all these documents that they asked for.

00:05:20.020 He was not cooperative.

00:05:20.980 He misled them on a number of queries.

00:05:26.920 And I think it was Senator Tillis who, a few weeks ago, when he appeared before the Senate judiciary to answer questions,

00:05:39.580 he had asked Ray point-blank, hey, you know, who's been held accountable for this, you know, sham crossfire hurricane investigation?

00:05:49.620 Has anyone been disciplined at your bureau, at your agency?

00:05:54.940 And Ray was – the good thing about it is he confirmed that there are a number of people that were on that crossfire hurricane team

00:06:04.480 that are still currently working in the bureau, which probably surprised a lot of people.

00:06:11.080 He said a number of them, but they're tied up in the Office of Professional Responsibility, which he said was their disciplinary arm.

00:06:23.580 And so why haven't they – what's been going on?

00:06:27.320 Because they referred for disciplinary review by the inspector general in 2019.

00:06:33.520 What's the holdup?

00:06:34.640 Why are these guys still working on cases and not being disciplined or fired or pushed out, whatever?

00:06:40.620 And he said, well, it's because Durham – we can't do anything because Durham is investigating them, too.

00:06:49.420 So there's – apparently there's some conflict.

00:06:54.800 And Durham, it does move at a glacial pace, unfortunately.

00:06:58.240 It's very slow and methodical.

00:07:00.000 But I understand that Durham is getting the interview transcripts that the Office of Professional Responsibility has conducted with these agents and analysts and officials.

00:07:14.860 And he's going over them as part of his investigation.

00:07:21.220 But this stuff should have been done years ago.

00:07:24.020 And the fact that it's still going on now and allowing these – by dragging out his investigation, Durham is allowing the dirty agents to regroup and start other investigations on Trump, like we're seeing right now in Mar-a-Lago, to try and justify the last one, which they came up embarrassingly short on any evidence.

00:07:44.820 Yes, and this is preposterous, what is being permitted by Christopher Wray.

00:07:51.780 And if, by the way, John Durham is the reason – his investigation is the reason that there has not been disciplinary action, in my opinion, taken against these agents who are dirty as they can be, it's an outrage.

00:08:04.520 And someone needs to take a look at whatever regulation or convention they are following to come up with that argument.

00:08:10.220 And Ray – Ray is an outright disaster as director.

00:08:17.900 I think he's corrupt.

00:08:20.100 I can't think of any other motivation for what he's doing here.

00:08:24.080 And as you look at Tim Tebow, pro bono representation from the law firm Morrison & Forrester, these agents are getting legal advice pro bono from some of the most expensive firms in Washington.

00:08:40.900 And meanwhile, others who have been ensnared in January 6th and all of the nonsense that has been going on, they're having to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:08:53.640 And this is a distinction of class here.

00:08:57.360 I think most people don't think about it in this country, but there is a huge difference between Republicans and Democrats in the ability to deal with big law.

00:09:09.080 Yeah, they – in Tebow's case, I'm told that they agreed to have him take an early retirement.

00:09:16.060 As soon as he's out of the Bureau, he's untouchable in terms of Inspector General interviewing him and also the Office of Special Counsel, which is different than the Special Counsel's Office, which is, you know, Durham.

00:09:29.280 There's something called the Office of Special Counsel, which looks into these issues like the Hatch Act and everything.

00:09:34.940 But the Inspector General and that Office of Special Counsel cannot touch him now because they don't have any power to compel his testimony once he's a former employee.

00:09:48.480 Only current employees can they compel to answer questions for their investigators.

00:09:54.100 So this is how it works in Washington.

00:09:59.220 This is how the sausage is made.

00:10:01.240 I have to say, I think a lot of people listening to your voice right now, their heads are spinning because what we are hearing here is that the United States Department of Justice does not have the legal power, the investigative power, to investigate a dirty agent once he or she leaves the FBI.

00:10:26.360 I mean, that's a head spinner.

00:10:27.800 That's right.

00:10:28.140 But it's just they can't compel his, you know, they can't compel his cooperation.

00:10:33.400 And, you know, the Inspector General doesn't have subpoena power to, you know, make somebody that's outside the government come in and testify under oath.

00:10:43.980 So, you know, they're very limited in what they can do to get to the bottom of these things, even if they're willing to.

00:10:51.040 I have to say that this Department of Justice, there are also conventions about not intervening in elections with any action that they take, investigative or prosecutorial action that they can take within, what is it, 90 days of an election.

00:11:08.980 And here we are, far less than that from an election, and we've got Joe Biden about to make a political speech.

00:11:17.640 And meanwhile, these raids, the raid on Mar-a-Lago, all of the back and forth about what was or was not there.

00:11:28.800 Let's go to that for just a moment.

00:11:30.900 Documents strewn across a carpet with a clear implication intended by the FBI that that was Donald Trump and his mess.

00:11:39.620 In Mar-a-Lago, it classified at least binders and folders, if not actual documents.

00:11:46.840 Your reaction to that kind of nonsense from the FBI?

00:11:51.900 Well, totally political.

00:11:54.060 I can't believe, you know, the Attorney General comes off as this kind of cerebral guy who's above all this nonsense.

00:12:03.680 But he signed off on that.

00:12:05.020 I mean, that photograph was planted for the express purpose of media consumption.

00:12:14.960 You know, it was just pure optics to make it look like Trump was being reckless with classified documents and had them all spread over the floor, which is nonsense.

00:12:25.920 That's not how they were discovered during the raid.

00:12:28.940 The FBI agents took them out of the files and put through them around the floor like that, snapped a photograph, and they put it in this court exhibit, knowing that full well that the media would, you know, spread it all over TV.

00:12:48.160 And that just shows how political this is.

00:12:52.460 And I love the fact that, well, I don't love it, I shouldn't say it, I'm amused by it in some ways.

00:13:01.160 The way the Washington Post is reporting on this story on Mar-a-Lago and the New York Times, of course, they convene Maggie Haberman and all of the crew there to spin up and gin up. 1.00

00:13:14.620 Utter, frankly, utter nonsense.

00:13:16.800 It's, and I love the Drudge Report, they have now found that Donald Trump, I believe the headline was, is hoarding top secret documents.

00:13:29.980 And the nonsense just keeps, I say it's nonsense because I believe it to be that or nonsense.

00:13:35.880 It's just crazy the way the national media is just let around by the nose by the FBI and the Justice Department, isn't it?

00:13:43.640 Yeah, they definitely got their marching orders and they're taking this to the hilt.

00:13:52.460 You know, the Biden administration is basically trying to criminalize former presidents having access to classified information, which is bizarre since ex-presidents still get classified intelligence briefings.

00:14:05.980 And, you know, they're set up with skiffs at their homes where they can read and store the nation's top secrets.

00:14:12.980 So when will Attorney General Garland raid Bill Clinton's Chappaqua home in New York?

00:14:17.720 Is the media interested in that?

00:14:19.740 And when will he raid Barack Obama's Calamara home in D.C. or his home in Chicago?

00:14:26.400 Does Garland know for certain they don't have classified documents in their office files?

00:14:33.500 So why are they singling out Trump as if, you know, the commander-in-chief who defeated ISIS can't be trusted with their national intelligence?

00:14:43.780 It's a howling double standard.

00:14:45.820 And you're right.

00:14:46.760 Once again, it reflects the anti-Trump bias that pervades the permanent ruling class inside the beltway.

00:14:53.200 And that includes the media.

00:14:56.180 They're part of that ruling class, believe me.

00:14:58.660 A very important part of it.

00:15:01.100 Absolutely.

00:15:02.460 And, by the way, there's some considerable interconnection between much of the media and intelligence and on it goes.

00:15:14.060 Let's talk to—

00:15:15.100 It's incestuous. 0.86

00:15:15.920 It is.

00:15:16.360 It is very.

00:15:17.860 Let's talk a bit about this scandal.

00:15:21.160 And first, let's deal with the documents themselves.

00:15:25.260 President Trump declassified those documents before he left office.

00:15:30.920 That was never, ever executed by the folks who were in the chain of command to do so.

00:15:37.520 And it was clear that the reason is that those documents contained a lot of embarrassing information for the intelligence agencies, as well as especially the Department of Justice and the FBI.

00:15:49.460 Do you concur with that statement?

00:15:51.740 Yeah, that's a real concern is that the FBI in this raid is a personal vested interest in seizing some of these documents that Trump had, basically using the raid to cover their tracks in their own Russiagate scandal.

00:16:15.540 You know, they may be trying to deep six any evidence Trump might have kept on them.

00:16:21.900 And that is a real possibility, you know, especially since the same counterintelligence division is running this operation down there, that they would want to make sure that those never come to public light, those documents.

00:16:43.100 And, you know, Trump was earnestly trying to get a hold of them because he knew that it was a hoax and a witch hunt against him.

00:16:52.660 So he was trying to gather up that that proof and they were worried about that.

00:16:57.640 And another issue is this all came about as Trump was progressing through his his lawsuit.

00:17:06.880 He had a RICO conspiracy case against the Department of Justice.

00:17:09.820 And it might be why the Justice Department is so worried about a special master finding out, you know, what they exactly what they took from Trump, not only just exposing the search as a fishing exhibition.

00:17:23.820 But, you know, they've already admitted errantly vacuum up attorney client privilege information, including Trump's correspondence with his attorneys, who are suing the Department of Justice in a RICO case for its role in leading the Russiagate persecution of Trump.

00:17:40.160 So DOJ also has a vested interest in putting eyeballs on on, you know, Trump's legal strategy in that lawsuit, which are contained in those those 27 boxes that they confiscated.

00:17:54.820 Did you ever imagine that the so-called national and I'll call it corporate media, the New York Times, the Washington Post, all of the broadcast networks and most of the cable networks are so corrupt that they would not deeply examine and explore the evidence before them

00:18:19.900 and try to report and try to report earnestly, sincerely, honestly, let me try honestly again, what was going on here.

00:18:29.200 Instead, they have taken they have taken a side and they persist and they and it's obvious that they're doing so under their the orders of their corporate masters or otherwise it wouldn't be happening.

00:18:41.760 Well, you're right. The major media is corrupt and it all starts from that from that. Everything folds out from that corruption because the other agencies and government can't can't be corrupt elected officials, politicians and also bureaucrats if the media does their job and exposes that corruption.

00:19:03.540 But they're not interested in exposing corruption on the on the on the Democrat side or the side that's in this case, the administrative state, which is from the get go, has been against Trump.

00:19:16.060 They felt threatened by his anti-globalist, you know, foreign policy.

00:19:21.620 And, you know, it creates a lot of cynicism among the public because it's become so blatantly obvious, this type of institutionalized corruption, that you can't have corruption this naked to the public eye and not, you know, not have anyone held accountable for it and still have a healthy constitutional republic.

00:19:44.960 And that's what I'm most concerned about is the is really this this corruption just keeps piling higher and higher to where everybody can see it.

00:19:56.460 And and they see that there's, you know, a two tier justice system, especially, you know, in the Trump era.

00:20:03.420 And they get really jaundiced and jaded about, you know, trusting government and now the intelligence community and federal law enforcement.

00:20:13.580 And the courts, quite frankly, as well. And that's just not healthy.

00:20:19.780 That's that's just right. I mean, it's it's we're in a we're in a really bad situation if if the only the only person that's we can count on hoping get to the bottom of this is John Durham, who moves in geological seconds.

00:20:40.720 I mean, this guy has already let the statute of limitations expire in the wiretap abuses that everybody saw was so obvious, even the FISA court has admitted it and invalidated at least two of those warrants.

00:20:53.360 So unless he's building a conspiracy to defraud case against the FBI, I'm not holding my breath.

00:21:01.520 He'll he'll hold the FBI accountable when those statute of limitations have already expired.

00:21:08.000 And he doesn't have the budget or the manpower for a conspiracy case.

00:21:11.860 He could barely handle the Sussman case. And, you know, he blew that.

00:21:15.840 He either blew it or he constructed it brilliantly one or the other.

00:21:21.820 Yeah, I mean, it's hurry up and wait with Durham.

00:21:29.960 It's it's very troubling that he's operating on such a shoestring budget and with such a skeletal staff compared to Mueller, who was far more aggressive.

00:21:39.600 I mean, Durham could be much more aggressive if he wanted to.

00:21:43.080 He could ask for more money. He could ask for more office space.

00:21:46.320 He could ask for bigger travel budget, more prosecutors, more investigators.

00:21:50.780 But unlike Mueller, he hasn't, you know, and if Garland turns him down, he could make a stink about it.

00:21:57.140 But he hasn't even tried. And, you know, he he's he's been dragging his feet even before COVID.

00:22:03.580 You know, to be fair, COVID did slow him down because it shut down his grand juries.

00:22:08.540 He's got two of them running, one in the Eastern District of Virginia and one in D.C.

00:22:14.040 But he's just been dragging this on too long.

00:22:19.700 And justice delayed is justice denied.

00:22:22.860 And and he knows that the law.

00:22:26.960 Maybe he does. I mean, he he's an institutional guy.

00:22:30.580 He's been with the Justice Department his whole life.

00:22:34.320 And maybe he he understands that, you know, to get to the scandal is so bad and so deep that to get to the bottom of it, he'd have to burn down the FBI, you know, hypothetically to the ground in the Justice Department, which he loves.

00:22:48.920 And, you know, he's he's been part of his entire career.

00:22:54.040 But that might be what he's saying that it would take.

00:22:56.680 And, boy, I can't do that.

00:22:57.880 I can't you know, this would destroy these institutions.

00:23:00.780 And, you know, he's I think he's an institutionalist from from what I understand, like like Bill Barr was an institutionalist and they love and revere, you know, the Justice Department and the FBI.

00:23:12.220 And, you know, the corruption is is so pervasive that, you know, that's what it would take.

00:23:23.660 It would take a huge Herculean effort, huge budget, huge staff to get to the bottom.

00:23:30.340 And it just doesn't look like he's interested in doing that.

00:23:33.520 Right.

00:23:33.620 But I sometimes I'm as a as a fellow who used to be a journalist, I'll put it that way.

00:23:44.660 I'm an opinion host now and I operate it a little differently.

00:23:47.800 But the fact of the matter is sometimes a thing is exactly what it appears to be.

00:23:54.380 You mentioned Bill Barr.

00:23:55.840 I believe Bill Barr is either complicit in a cover up of all of these sins that we know occurred from at least July of 2016 forward through six years of political persecution of this president.

00:24:11.520 I believe he's either complicit or actually a principal in that cover up.

00:24:16.560 He's the man who knew that Vice President Biden was lying in the second final debate of 2020 and refused, refused to alert the American people as the chief law enforcement officer of that fact,

00:24:31.680 including the fact that the Hunter Biden laptop was a reality and contained severe and damaging evidence against Joe Biden, as well as his son, indeed, the Biden family.

00:24:48.560 He did that while simultaneously dispersing FBI agents to various technology companies, social media companies, corporate media companies to bring down a cone of silence around the laptop and affect the election.

00:25:08.560 It is it's straightforward.

00:25:11.380 The man changed history.

00:25:13.780 Bill Barr.

00:25:15.320 This John Durham is his appointee.

00:25:18.560 And he is clearly in the same lane as Bill Barr.

00:25:25.680 And you talked about them as institutionalists.

00:25:29.020 They are protecting those who are corrupt.

00:25:34.060 And there are very few people in this country who, as you suggested, aren't aware of the corruption, the pervasive corruption in our federal government, but particularly the Justice Department and the FBI.

00:25:44.720 And further to the Delaware U. 0.75

00:25:47.720 And further to the Delaware U.S. attorney who's been running a four-year investigation of Hunter Biden.

00:25:54.280 Are you kidding me?

00:25:56.020 You know, on any level.

00:25:58.300 That's madness.

00:25:58.840 And I can't think of another example of it other than run out the clock and slow roll it.

00:26:07.100 Your thoughts.

00:26:08.200 Well, you know, you're speaking of protecting corrupt officials and Bill Barr.

00:26:13.200 So Bill Barr, people don't understand this.

00:26:16.360 They don't go back very far in his bio.

00:26:20.220 But he used to run the legal shop at Verizon.

00:26:23.460 And he hired one, James Baker, as his deputy there at Verizon.

00:26:32.180 And James Baker was Comey's top lawyer at the FBI.

00:26:38.460 And Durham relied on James Baker, cut him a break, didn't investigate him in exchange for his testimony against his buddy Sussman in that trial.

00:26:52.000 And so James Baker gets on the witness stand and makes it very clear, telegraphs it to the jury, that I'm a reluctant witness and I'm not going to give much.

00:27:07.000 It was like pulling teeth when Durham's prosecutor was trying to get information out of Baker to nail Sussman.

00:27:17.080 And so he wasn't a good witness, and yet, you know, Durham let him off the hook.

00:27:23.640 And you have to wonder why there's a special deal for James Baker.

00:27:28.300 And it goes back to Bill Barr.

00:27:31.640 They're buddies.

00:27:33.380 And Bill Barr, of course, hired Durham.

00:27:35.960 And something I didn't bring up before, to be fair to Durham, I've talked to some people that worked for him in Connecticut where he was the U.S. attorney.

00:27:48.420 And they say that, you know, he doesn't like to have a big staff in office.

00:28:02.480 One of the explanations was, I was like, why doesn't this guy do like Mueller and just hire everybody and have this, you know, ask for millions and millions of dollars and really do this right?

00:28:15.640 There's special counsel, and he says he likes tight control.

00:28:20.240 He likes a small staff that he can control.

00:28:22.800 He doesn't like leaks.

00:28:23.960 He keeps a really tight shop.

00:28:27.020 And that is true.

00:28:30.780 So that could be a possible, plausible explanation why he's still operating with such a shoestring budget and a skeletal staff.

00:28:38.720 If he doesn't want, you know, to hire a lot of people and then, you know, they're constantly leaking, like, which is what happened with Mueller, there were so many leaks out of his, he didn't have control, much control at all over that investigation.

00:28:54.760 But, so, I just wanted to throw that out there.

00:28:58.360 No, I think that we appreciate, I know we appreciate that for the audience.

00:29:04.620 I have to say, I went back over his resume carefully more than a few times.

00:29:10.060 I've not come to this conclusion happily or easily that Bill Barr is absolutely the pivot point in who was elected president in 2020.

00:29:24.400 I don't think there's any doubt, there's no doubt in my mind, I'll put it that way.

00:29:29.060 And all paths lead to Bill Barr.

00:29:33.960 And John Durham.

00:29:35.260 Well, you can't on one hand go in front of Congress and say, yes, under a Democrat saying he's trying to steer him off.

00:29:45.160 Wait a minute, you're saying the president was spied on.

00:29:47.780 The FBI and the DOJ spied on the president.

00:29:50.780 Are you sure you want to say that?

00:29:51.900 And he says, no, that's what happened.

00:29:55.100 Donald, President Trump, they spied on him.

00:29:58.220 They spied on his campaign.

00:29:59.520 They spied, that's the word he used.

00:30:00.700 He wasn't going to budge for it.

00:30:02.620 Wait a minute, you can't say that and know that and believe that and then not do anything aggressive to hold people who did that.

00:30:10.680 It's political espionage against the sitting president, the nominee for the Republican Party for president.

00:30:17.340 And then the elected president-elect and then in the transition and then the sitting president.

00:30:23.260 You can't say that and then not do enough to get to the bottom of one of the biggest scandals in our history.

00:30:29.740 And he not only did get to the bottom of it, he didn't want to get to the bottom of it.

00:30:35.300 He walked out on the president in the moment in which he was most critically needed and he left President Trump basically helpless in that moment legally.

00:30:47.940 Because he's departing.

00:30:51.240 He had no one available to him, certainly with Bill Barr's background, his talent and experience.

00:31:00.580 And he sat on Hunter's laptop investigation for how long?

00:31:06.080 We've got FBI agents who've been under investigation for over three years.

00:31:11.560 You've reported on many of them.

00:31:13.980 We have a government and I just want to say this because one of the things I know about you and respect mightily in addition to your investigative and repertorial talents is that you have a fair mind and a broad perspective when you go to a story.

00:31:33.080 And it's one of the reasons you always dig up terrific material that no one else has.

00:31:38.940 It's also why you constrain yourself to the to the to the evidence and the reality.

00:31:45.700 You know, I that is my long winded way of extending a compliment to you about your your talent and your and your immense value to the to a body of public knowledge that should be much larger, but isn't no thanks to the corporate media.

00:32:03.080 I want to I want to I want to turn to James Baker again.

00:32:06.900 You mentioned him.

00:32:08.320 He's also he works for this company with which you have more than a passing familiarity.

00:32:15.260 And that's Twitter.

00:32:16.860 He is now deputy general counsel at Twitter.

00:32:20.740 And you have just been suspended for life by a social media company.

00:32:27.560 Tell the audience about.

00:32:30.740 Yeah, well, Twitter kicked me off the day after Trump's home was raided and I was tweeting about the fact at the time and got a little pop up notice that you've been permanently suspended.

00:32:41.960 And so, yeah, so I'm still locked in Twitter.

00:32:45.740 Jail is one of their political prisoners.

00:32:49.040 And but I'm on getter now under the account at Paul Sperry at Paul Sperry.

00:32:56.320 If your listeners want to follow me there, I'm also going to get on true social.

00:33:00.900 But, yeah, they didn't give me any reasons, just canceled my account without explanation, which, by the way, is a violation of their own rules because they're supposed to, quote, explain which policy you may have violated and which content was in violation.

00:33:18.420 They didn't do that in my case because they know I didn't break any rules and they just don't like my fact based content because it cuts against their political narrative.

00:33:31.240 And this is something that set that set down from the from the top.

00:33:36.060 This new CEO, his name is.

00:33:40.020 Farag Agrawal, I think it's worth noting that this new CEO, he wants to focus.

00:33:47.160 He was caught saying this.

00:33:48.620 He wants to focus less on free speech and more on, quote, choosing who can be heard, who can be heard, especially in election years, apparently.

00:33:59.960 So these are the gatekeepers.

00:34:02.580 These are the gatekeepers who are, you know, big tech gatekeepers who are holding our free speech hostage.

00:34:09.340 They're in San Francisco and they have those same San Francisco values, totally out of touch with the rest of the country.

00:34:17.160 But they have that power to gag us.

00:34:22.340 And the Republican Party has talked big about breaking up big tech, big social media, demanding accountability.

00:34:30.980 And I will I will give them some leeway here because they don't have now control, but they had control of the entire government under Trump and wasted it.

00:34:45.200 Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan.

00:34:47.560 And these are fools that who should never, ever be somehow they should be drummed out of the party forevermore, expunged from all public records.

00:34:57.320 I don't know what else could be done to them, but they have put the entire Republican, my judgment, at risk.

00:35:03.280 And and and I hate what they've done to you.

00:35:06.820 I hate what they've done to the president of the United States.

00:35:09.580 And we as a nation just keep accepting this.

00:35:12.860 And I believe in the old adage, what you accept, you will get.

00:35:18.320 And that's what is happening to this country.

00:35:21.420 We have a middle class that is being crushed right now.

00:35:25.200 And the middle class is where, first and foremost, I truly believe the American dream lives, it resides, it's it drives the pulse of this country.

00:35:36.540 And to watch these fools and these knaves.

00:35:42.540 And I'm talking about the rhino liberals of the Republican Party, as well as the Marxist dims of the of the Democrat Party. 0.93

00:35:51.020 But they're destroying this country.

00:35:53.260 And we've got we've got to come to our senses.

00:35:56.280 I want to turn, if I may.

00:35:59.760 Do you have a comment on on those thoughts?

00:36:04.300 I think that I think you're right.

00:36:07.840 I like that adage.

00:36:10.060 Too many people, you know, get their back up after election or after something policy or scandal happens.

00:36:20.520 Or some someone doesn't get the bottom of a scandal.

00:36:23.720 And they complain a lot.

00:36:25.160 And a lot of those people don't vote.

00:36:27.680 So, you know, you got it.

00:36:29.300 You got it.

00:36:29.880 You got to do something about it.

00:36:31.240 You can't just sit there and complain or get on Twitter or get on some other social media and, you know, whine about stuff.

00:36:37.980 You actually have to try and do something.

00:36:39.700 And that doesn't happen a lot.

00:36:45.140 The activism is almost always on the left.

00:36:48.760 And they're they're the ones who are activated and and animated.

00:36:56.920 And they tend to.

00:36:59.140 Of course, they've got to meet the corporate media on their side, which which really helps.

00:37:04.320 Exactly.

00:37:05.000 Pushing their agenda, pushing their agenda, pushing their agenda and covering up corruption or or or prosecuting.

00:37:15.900 The other thing is, you know, something, you know, someone who has been in the media while you understand that investigations in Washington are driven.

00:37:27.120 By the media.

00:37:30.880 That, you know, usually, usually, usually the investigative agencies don't do a lot unless they're driven to do it.

00:37:41.960 And the media media does that.

00:37:45.380 And so when you don't have the media pushing for investigations when they involve Democrats, then, you know,

00:37:56.420 there's really there's not going to be really anything that happens.

00:38:00.180 Yeah, it's true.

00:38:01.560 It is absolutely true.

00:38:03.480 We always give our guests the last word.

00:38:07.220 I would hope that you would give us your sense of where you think President Trump stands as well right now in this continuing assault against him

00:38:18.760 and how you think the charges around the Mar-a-Lago raid will conclude.

00:38:27.900 You you have the last word on the Great America show today.

00:38:33.400 Well, thank you.

00:38:34.400 And thank you for the kind words earlier.

00:38:36.200 I think Trump can be forgiven for not trusting the FBI and Justice Department to ethically and honestly swear out warrants

00:38:43.760 and do searches and seizures, given their track record with him starting all the way back in 2016.

00:38:53.280 By the way, a full inventory, this might be another reason why the Department of Justice is so worried about agreeing to a special master

00:39:06.300 to find out exactly what they confiscated from Trump at Mar-a-Lago.

00:39:10.720 I think a full inventory of the personal items that were confiscated will help Trump's team trace back to the FBI and DOJ

00:39:23.880 any unauthorized leaks of those records to Democrats on the Hill and to the media,

00:39:28.840 which that this is going to be a big part of this scandal going forward.

00:39:32.880 You know, they want to chum out as much dirt on Trump as possible in case he runs again.

00:39:36.860 And they also want to dirty up Republican candidates for Congress that Trump has endorsed.

00:39:43.420 You know, because the last thing that Democrats, especially Biden, want is Republicans to grab back the gavel

00:39:49.480 to those investigative oversight committees in the House and, you know, subpoena his son and his brother, Jimmy Biden.

00:39:56.620 You know, they will do that.

00:39:59.840 And by the way, Biden's intelligence are, Haynes.

00:40:04.000 She is working with Adam Schiff right now, Adam Schiff, to conduct a so-called intelligence damage assessment

00:40:11.980 on the documents that were seized from Trump, which almost guarantees they will be leaked far and wide before the election.

00:40:20.060 We now have a citizenry who is skeptical of government, I think, at every level.

00:40:26.780 I personally think that is a wonderful, wonderful thing.

00:40:31.080 Staying skeptical of this government is critically important because they can do at least a little less damage

00:40:38.620 if we actually know what they're up to.

00:40:41.800 And by the way, Paul Sperry, we just want to be sure that we say thank you again for everything you do

00:40:46.960 to enlarge the body of public knowledge, to report with the highest of skills and talent and result.

00:40:58.620 We deeply appreciate it.

00:41:01.080 Thanks for having me on, Lou.

00:41:03.020 And thank you, Paul Sperry.

00:41:04.560 God bless you.

00:41:06.740 Thanks, everybody, for being with us.

00:41:08.420 Tomorrow we'll be talking with our friend and legendary New York radio talk show host, Mark Simone.

00:41:14.480 Please join us here tomorrow.

00:41:15.800 Till then, God bless you.

00:41:18.760 And may God bless America.

The Great America Show - September 08, 2022

THE FBI GROUP WHO LED THE SEARCH & SEIZURE AT MAR-A-LAGO ARE THE SAME GROUP BEING INVESTIGATED BY SP. COUNSEL JOHN DURHAM

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