The Great America Saturday Show： February 3rd, 2024
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The Supreme Court has refused to hear President Trump's appeal of a broad gag order that prevents him from speaking to the media. Does the case now go to the Supreme Court? Or will it be sent back to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals?
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Saturday Show. Great to have
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you with us. Good news out of D.C. this week. President Trump's election interference case
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in Washington, D.C. postponed indefinitely. The Marxist Dems planning to persecute Trump
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and interfere with the 2024 election just isn't working out quite like they figure. It seems
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almost every Biden administration employee is a regurgitated, recycled Marxist who previously
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worked either in the Obama White House or the DNC. Good old John Podesta will take over for departing
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climate czar John Kerry. One Marxist fills in for another Marxist. Our first guest today is
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investigative reporter Julie Kelly. And Julie, great to have you back with us and congratulations on
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all of your great reporting. It's good to talk with you. Apparently, these Marxists are sticking
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together in our judiciary. Maybe they'll go down together. What do you think? Right. So this is the
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appeal of Judge Chutkin's broad gag order that she imposed against the president and his legal team
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and others. She imposed that in August of last year. So, of course, Trump's team appealed that.
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Uh, it went to, um, the, uh, three, uh, three judge panel, the appellate court and the appellate panel,
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of course. Now I will say they did strip away quite a bit of Judge Chutkin's gag order. I was actually
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surprised. They did tell her to remove special counsel, Jack Smith, um, from being criticized by the
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president saying he's a public servant. He's a public figure and he is subjected. He,
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to public criticism of his work. So they did gut her gag order quite a bit, but overall they upheld it.
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This was the three judge panel. And then what happens, Lou, is then the Trump's team,
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the appellate can go back and ask for the entire DC circuit court to hear the arguments against the gag
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order. And that's what was denied. So that's really just the next step in the process before,
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Trump's lawyers then can file cert before the Supreme court and have them take up the issue.
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So it's more of a procedural issue. I'll tell you, Lou, the DC circuit court is packed with Obama
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appointees really wouldn't have mattered if what they call the N bonk, the full court would have heard
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this. They're going to uphold Judge Chutkin's order, uh, the framework of it anyway, just as this
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panel did. So not a huge loss, but it does enable Trump's team now to go to the Supreme court.
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Well, at least, at least there is a, something of a Pyrrhic victory in that, uh, he can still lambaste,
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uh, the junkyard Jackal, Jack Smith, the special counsel, uh, that has to hearten him secretly,
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if not, uh, uh, publicly, uh, I would think he would feel that way. Uh, where does it,
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do you really think it goes to the Supreme court? Do they take the case?
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You know what, Lou? I don't know. The Supreme court, um, is being inundated as you know,
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and other matters dealing with the DOJ's prosecution of January 6th. So they already
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have quite a few issues on their docket. We know that, um, next month they will hear the,
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uh, the lawsuit seeking to overturn the Colorado Supreme court ruling that removed Trump from the
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ballot. We also know that the Supreme court has accepted, um, hearing the appeal of the 1512 C2
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obstruction of an official proceeding felony. That's been charged slapped against more than 300,
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January 6th defendants and represents half of Jack Smith's four count indictment against Trump in
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Washington. Those oral arguments are expected to be scheduled for either March or April. Um,
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there are other things. We certainly know the presidential immunity appeal, um, that was heard
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by three judge panel on January 9th, uh, where we are fully expecting that to end up at the Supreme
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court as well. So will they grant cert in this gag order, um, to, to consider this? I don't know. I
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mean, the Supreme, they can't really, I guess they could take up everything. Will they know because
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they're a political body as we know. So they may just let it stand. I'm not even a hundred percent
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convinced Trump's lawyers will take this to the Supreme court because in its current form, yes,
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it's unfair, but it is, uh, workable in terms of criticizing Jack Smith, criticizing the DOJ,
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um, criticizing the judge. So there are limitations, but nothing that's overly, um, I think restraining.
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So what is he, uh, left with in terms of, uh, uh, being prohibited from speaking? Uh, it's a,
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it, the gag order, it seemed to me was motivated primarily by Chutkin and, uh, Jack Smith wanting
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to preserve their, their sensitive little selves from the tongue lashing of Donald Trump.
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That's true. And that is why it was sort of amusing to see the, uh, three judge panel. I believe,
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and I'm writing on something now, I think they were all Democrats actually. Um, and these two of
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them were Democrats who expressed skepticism at the breadth, at the, at the scope of judge Chutkin's
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gag order. And as I said, gutted major parts of it. So he is able to speak, but keep in mind, Lou,
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you know, all of the proceedings for the January 6th trial in Washington right now are on hold
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until they can settle the presidential immunity question. Um, so this March 4th trial date is,
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pretty much off the books and judge Chutkin kind of admitted that recently. Um, so it seems like
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the gag order issue, again, I don't know what team Trump is going to do, but we can see what Donald
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Trump's, uh, you know, speeches, uh, he's not feeling too constrained. Um, so I think the gag order
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is less, less of a concern to them now that the appellate panel weighed in. And as I said, changed a
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lot of what judge Chutkin originally ordered. You know, speaking of, uh, gag orders and gag orders
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that don't work anger on in the New York state court, judge anger on losing control of his court
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as, uh, final arguments of, uh, are unfolding, uh, Donald Trump taking over the courtroom as he's
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defying the judge's direct order. Uh, he goes after everyone in the room. He does it, uh, intelligently.
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He does it, uh, firmly. Uh, and it was just remarkable to see, uh, Donald Trump take over
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that courtroom and the judge, the judge have no control and had no way in the world in which to
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deal with it because every word that, that, that, uh, in my opinion, president Trump uttered
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was absolutely true. Uh, that's just, that was just a remarkable performance. And I would think
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that would scare the Dickens out of federal judges. Well, look, I think overall Lou, the American
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people, especially people on the right, uh, are fully aware of the corruption of the department of
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justice and what they are capable and willing to do to not just take down Trump, his associates like
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Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro, who were convicted of contempt of Congress and now 1200 plus Trump
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supporters, mostly Trump supporters who have been raided, arrested, um, charged and, you know,
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taken plea deals or convicted by a DC jury for January 6th. But I think more broadly, Lou, people
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are waking up to this crisis we have in the judiciary and these activist judges, whether it's someone like
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Tanya Chutkin, who is the Obama appointee or anger on, or some of these other judges that we can't trust
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the judiciary to protect the rights of defendants, especially if his last name is Donald Trump
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or tied to Donald Trump, um, and protect the defendants rights and, and reign in and out of control
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DOJ or state prosecutors to make sure that they are enforcing the laws equally. That is the job of a
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judge. And I think just overall, this has been a big wake up call for those on the right who still,
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you know, maybe think that the DOJ and these state prosecutors and these judges are acting the way
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that we expect them to. And that just isn't the case. And so this is just another institutional
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crisis in America due to the politicization of, uh, of these institutions and the judiciary in
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particular. We're talking with the great investigative reporter, Julie Kelly, uh, at a real clear
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investigations, uh, and you, uh, you read her all over and you hear about her here on the, uh,
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great America podcast, a great deal because we have the highest respect for her and her reporting,
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and we're going to come back with her. And I think, Julie, I think everybody would like to get a sense,
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uh, of your, of your thinking right now about that five, four decision where justice Roberts and
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justice, Amy Coney Barrett decided to go left wing and go against the state of Texas on that, uh, border,
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border trial. We're coming right back with Julie Kelly. Stay with us.
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We're back now with Julie Kelly. And I want to ask you about that five, four decision. First of all,
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I was, it was remarkable that they did not have arguments beforehand, uh, that they did not, uh,
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hand down opinions, uh, with their ruling, uh, five, four decision. Uh, it's stunning because of the
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magnitude of what they did inciting, uh, with basically the most corrupt presidential, uh,
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regime in American history against, uh, a, uh, a robust, uh, and, uh, and resolute state government,
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particularly in the person of, uh, uh, governor Greg Abbott, your, your thoughts on what, what
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motivated the Supreme court in doing this. So Lou, I have to say, I haven't followed this closely.
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I did see the headlines. My understanding is that there's more to come on this lawsuit. Um, but I
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think it speaks to the frustration, uh, that the right feels, especially the MAGA base that we can't
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depend on the Supreme court. Certainly not these judges who everyone fought so hard for, including
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Amy Coney Barrett to get seated on the Supreme court, only to be disappointed once again, by their
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decisions. And this goes back to, of course, their failure to address any of the election lawsuits
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filed in 2020 or 2021. Um, they just don't seem to have the courage to take on these big fights
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that we need them to, and be the stop gap for this lawless regime that is really putting our
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country in jeopardy. So, you know, I, I think that it's just one more example of the right being
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disappointed in these judicial picks. And it's certainly understandable. Yeah. I, I, I think my
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first thought was, was that I was going to be, I thought I would be disappointed, but I didn't think
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it would be on anything near this measure. Uh, and so now I'm just outraged. Uh, I am angry. I am
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furious with the Supreme court because it has become a joke like every other, uh, part of our,
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our government, uh, right now, as it stands with that five, four decision, the Supreme court has now
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aligned itself with the Biden regime, the corrupt justice department, uh, the corrupt FBI, the corrupt,
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uh, intelligence community. Uh, I can't find anywhere to turn to, to any agency within any
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department that isn't run by Marxist Dems. Uh, they cited in this decision straightforwardly,
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uh, uh, with the Mexican drug cartels that are killing a hundred thousand, at least a hundred
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thousand Americans a year without consequence, without response from the United States. Uh, this is a court
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that is now, it appears, uh, absolutely a tool, uh, the Marxist Dems. Well, let's hope that they
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changed, changed course a little bit as these legal matters related to Trump and January 6th and the
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2024 election end up on their docket. Um, we really need the Supreme court to reverse how the DOJ has been
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using 1512 C to obstruction of an official proceeding, the post Enron felony. Um, they really
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need to reverse that and give the DOJ and all these federal judges a well-deserved over do smackdown
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for the weaponization of that evidence tampering law that has turned peaceful protesters into convicted
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lifetime felons. So we need them to demonstrate some courage on that. We of course need them to
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demonstrate courage on this Colorado Supreme court issue that will be before them next month and
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other things, other matters, especially presidential immunity from criminal prosecution. This will be
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a landmark Supreme court decision, just like the decision by Obama appointee, judge Chudkin arguing
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that a president's acts in office can be subject to criminal prosecution. That's a first.
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So the Supreme court will have to weigh in on that as well.
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We will need more courage from them. So let's, let's hope that they demonstrate that because
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these are going to be permanent decisions with a permanent lasting impact on the country.
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Not the very least of which is, will we continue now start the spiral where presidents prosecute
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their predecessors try to throw them in jail on bogus charges, just like we see in banana republics.
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Is that the future for this country? That will be a decision made by the Supreme court.
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Unfortunately, it's, it's our present reality. Uh, this is all contemporaneous. We are watching a,
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a corrupt federal government. Uh, there is no question whatsoever about who controls the government in
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every quarter. And that is the Marxist Dems who control the Democrat party and the deep state.
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Do I wish that they would grant complete immunity to a sitting president? I don't see any other
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intelligent answer to the question. Do we want a president not to be immune to prosecution? I think
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the answer is absolutely yes. Uh, we're, we're watching a court system as you said, and I think
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it's fascinating because I hadn't really thought about it the way you expressed it. This court system,
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the federal court system is inundated, but the DC court system is inundated with all sorts of actions
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from plaintiffs and prosecutors, uh, seeking some sort of resolution that all stems from the, the
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anarchy of the 2020 presidential election. Uh, I, but to think that they're the ones who are burdened
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while the president United States has to alternate between going to a campaign rally, uh, going to a,
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victory rally in New Hampshire, then a New York court, then a Georgia court. Uh, I mean, it's just,
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it's inexplicable that we are demanding this and permitting this, uh, interference by the justice
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department and this administration, the Biden administration in the 2024 election. And right
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now they're getting away with it. Well, they certainly are. And Lou, look, the federal courts
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in Washington have already drastically changed how we have handled traditionally say executive privilege.
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Judge Chutkin and the appellate court judges have basically eliminated executive privilege
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protections for a former president. Joe Biden did it. He was the first to refuse to confer executive
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privilege to his predecessor. The first president in history, the courts have upheld that forcing
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Donald Trump to turn over his records to the January 6th select committee, forcing him to turn them
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over. Of course, to special counsel, Jack Smith, uh, the chief judge of the district court,
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Beryl Howell, another Obama appointee, took the extraordinary step of piercing attorney-client
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privilege between a former president and his lawyer, forcing Evan, Evan Corcoran to turn over personal
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and privilege records to Jack Smith about his communications with Donald Trump in the classified
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documents case. Um, and furthermore, even more egregiously, Beryl Howell allowed Jack Smith
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to circumvent the normal process for executive privilege, um, forcing Twitter, issuing a search
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warrant, forcing Twitter to turn over all of Donald Trump's Twitter records, including DMs and other
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private, what would be privilege records, forced Twitter to turn those over to Jack Smith and added
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a non-disclosure order preventing Twitter from telling Donald Trump about it. So these are radical
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changes that have already been made by this court system that people are not paying attention to, but
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will have dire consequences, uh, certainly for the, for the next president, um, you know,
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and certainly for, for Donald Trump right now. Coming up next, the border siege continues under the
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Biden regime, border apprehensions hitting an all-time high for the month of December. Former director of
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immigration and customs enforcement, Tom Holman with us this weekend. We're coming right back.
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Joining us now as promised, Tom Holman. He was director of ICE under President Trump. And Tom,
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great to have you back with us. Let's start with securing the border. Can you believe anybody will
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buy this administration's nonsense? Well, it seems like a few people up in the hill are buying it,
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but Tom Holman's not going to buy it. I did it for 30 years. Look, five, the numbers right now,
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between five or 6,000 days. And what they're going to do, they're still going to get seven,
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eight, 9,000 days. They just increase those that bring to a port of entry that they don't count
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as an illegal entry, right? Right. So the only deal out there that makes sense to me is HR2.
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Yeah. For the house bill. And, uh, and I agree, but you know, that's not going to happen because
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it actually does something to secure the border. Uh, and the left is never going to go with that.
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And, uh, and what I love is that, uh, James Langford, that Senator from Oklahoma,
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he just got censured by the Republican party of Oklahoma for being a, uh, you know, uh,
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being lower than a, you know, a snake's belly. Uh, the guy is, is a ordained minister, I think,
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but he missed some theology lessons. I'm guaranteeing you. And he missed a lot of integrity lessons.
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He's out trying to sell amnesty to people. Uh, it's just the ignorance of Mitch McConnell and
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these guys in that Senate, but, uh, Langford trying to sell this to the house.
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He better not. He better not. Look, I, I said, yeah, I didn't, I didn't show this.
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I said, Langford, who's he negotiating with? He said, don't talk to Alejandro Mayorkas.
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That's like negotiating with a, with a terrorist about, about, you know, how to put out a fire.
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We can't be doing that. And we got this. Why does he have, what's he, what's his knowledge
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and experience with immigration related legislation? I don't know if he's even a point guy, but Mike
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Johnson better not go for it because I think the freedom caucus and most of the Republican
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party in the house agrees with me that HR2 works. And it's not a matter of, will it work? We know it
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working because most of it's Trump's policies. We've proven it's effective. So we shouldn't
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negotiate against ourselves. We should put HR2 and I tell you, I am so, I'm at the point now,
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shut it down, shut it down. We can't get HR2. At what point is it enough to shut it down? When we
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got over 300 people at the terrorist watch this on the southern border, we got 112,000 dead American
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fentanyl, we got 1700 dead migrants in U.S. soil, we got a 600 percent increase in child and female
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sex trafficking across the border. When is it time to shut it down?
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You couldn't be more right. And Mitch McConnell instead is talking about
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amnesty. He's pushing it to push Langford out. Langford is such a tool. I cannot get over him
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being this stupid individually. I knew that he was a rhino, but a stupid rhino allowing himself to have
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this blazing to cross his forehead that he's a traitor to both the Republican Party and the country.
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It's outrageous what we're seeing. I don't know where this goes, but I do know this,
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that we're looking at two articles of impeachment revealed today for Mayorkas in the House.
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They're very serious about impeaching him, and it looks like it's going to happen
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just ahead of what will be the Biden impeachment.
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Mayorkas lying through his teeth day after day after day about a secure border and no one does
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anything. You know, my assumption is, Tom, the man is, you know, he and Biden both are getting a cut
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from the cartels because I don't see any other way to explain it. Do you?
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In 2014 and 2015, he was deputy secretary on a Jay Johnson, and he knows we had a family surge back
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then. He knows how we stopped it. So now as a secretary, what is he doing? He's not holding
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him. He's not detaining. They're not seeing the judge. And ICE isn't even looking for him. They're
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not looking to remove him. He's doing the complete opposite of what he knows worked in 2014, 2015.
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What do you think? I tell everybody, in my judgment, the Biden administration went to
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enforce the border security effectively and then really turned over the border to the
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Mexican drug cartels. They are in control, in my opinion, on both sides of that border,
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all 2,000 miles of it. What do you think? I think I agree that the Mexican criminal cartels
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have operational control over our southern border. They decide what comes in, who comes in,
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where it comes in, and when it comes in. And that's just not my opinion based on three things.
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You talk to most chief patrol agents who are brave enough to speak out. Those are the same thing.
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Matter of fact, one chief patrol agent used a term with me, broken arrow. He says,
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Tom, I can't contain what's coming across. I may be catching 10%. So yeah, the criminal cartels,
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they have operational control over our southern border, and this administration handed it to them.
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You know, no one celebrated this election when the cartels, because based on Joe Biden's promises
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during the campaign, they knew they were back in business.
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Yeah, it's just so ugly. And the gutless wonders that we have in both the Senate and the House,
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frankly. But those four border states, Greg Abbott stands up and absolutely tells the Biden
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administration to go to hell. He's going to pursue the Article 4 invasion clause. He's going to defend
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the state of Texas. I think the man is a hero of our times to do this. Twenty-five states agree with
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him. Ten are sending their National Guardsmen down to help him to help the state of Texas defend the
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One hundred percent behind Greg Abbott. He should be the Secretary of Homeland Security. He's done more
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security this border than anybody in this administration. Every ounce of cocaine, I mean,
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every ounce of fentanyl or other drugs that troopers seize are less overdose deaths in the United States.
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Every illegal one they arrest and trespassing is one less gotaway. At least they're getting
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bent and we fingerprint and make sure they're not terrorists. I said, Greg Abbott has done more to
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secure this border than anybody. And now he's declared an invasion. He has taken action on the
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southern border. I stand behind him a hundred percent. I tell him, go for it. Don't back down.
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I think he's doing the right thing for the safety and security of not only Texas, but for the United States.
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We're talking with Tom Holman, former Director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
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We're going to continue the discussion about why is the Biden administration begging China to cut down
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the precursors and ingredients in fentanyl that they're shipping to the drug cartels in Mexico?
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We'll take that up with Tom Holman here next. Stay with us. We're coming right back.
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We're back now with Tom Holman and we're talking about border security, the Biden administration,
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and just rank corruption across the four border states on the border and in those states. Tom,
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I think it's interesting that Abbott gets all of this support from 25 states, but not any support from New Mexico,
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Arizona or California, the other three border states with Texas. Did it surprise you at all?
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I said the other day, I think Texas is going to be successful. These governors need to step up. I don't
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care. I don't care you're a Democrat. I don't care what party you're affiliated with. If you don't think
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this is the biggest national security vulnerability in this nation, then you're an idiot. You shouldn't
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be a governor. I don't care what party you're from. So they better get ready because it's getting more,
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it's going to get worse. Yeah. You know, I have a strange feeling that Greg Abbott is going to kick
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Joe Biden's butt. I think Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas overstepped when they retaliated to stop
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the LNG and gas exports because Abbott was securing the border. They overstepped. Actually, the Supreme
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Court did the Joe Biden administration no favors when they sided with the Mexican drug cartels and the
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Biden administration with that five to four vote. I think that there is no doubt so long as Abbott
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persists and maintains his present stance, he will prevail and this will look all the worse for Joe
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Biden and it will illuminate exactly who he, Mayorkas and his administration really are. What do you think
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of that idea? This is by design. Like I said, Alejandro Mayorkas knows how we closed the border down before.
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We have HR 2 which is proven effective. If it's really serious about shutting down the border,
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we have a plan that we don't think is going to work. We know it's going to work because it worked
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on the last administration. Mexico's going to take unprecedented action in the few months
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to get those doors down. Then Mayorkas is going to take more through the port of entry,
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which means you get, then you can claim less illegal entries between the ports. Between what Mayorkas is a
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shell game and what Mexico's about to do, they're going to try to fool the American people that
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border is under better control. Yeah. And you know, we've already seen the, you know,
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this work, the summer of love, riots, arson, murders all across the country, burning federal
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courthouses, Antifa, Black Lives Matter. And guess what? Miraculously, it all stopped in the fall
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and like it never happened going into election day. And I think you're right. We're going to see the
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same thing in Mexico on the border. I'm going to, you know, I, I, unfortunately, I really think
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that the national news media would resolve this if they had the guts to report what was really going
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on. This time, it's pretty clear. Everybody knows that Biden is corrupt. 70% of the people
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in this country know he's corrupt. And when they think about all of the money that the Biden family
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got from Ukraine, from various other Eastern European hellholes, if you will, and from China
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itself, millions from China wonder, it's just, it's hard not to wonder just how much money,
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how big the money is that the cartels are giving him to keep that border wide open. It's the sums have
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to be enormous. What do you think? Well, there's gotta be a reason why we got over 100,000 Americans
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that died from fat and all poisoning. That's, that's more deaths, American deaths than any
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terrorist organization the world is responsible for. Why hasn't the White House, why hasn't Joe Biden
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took an action against China? Knowing that the precursors come to China demand action. He hasn't
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done a single thing. If President Trump is in office, he would hold China accountable. He would
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hold Mexico accountable. If they didn't take action, President Trump would. But this administration
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has done nothing to slow down the fentanyl flow. In fact, I testified on the Hill two weeks ago,
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the Democrats still pushed that most of the fentanyl is smuggled in the United States by U.S. citizens
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through the port of entry. That is a bunch of hogwash. I did this for three decades. The criminal
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cartels in Mexico are going to use a rather least resistance. Matter of fact, last month,
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in several different sectors, hold every single uniform off the line to process. You don't think
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the criminal cartels had a field day with that? Even the Democrats on the Hill are supporting this
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nonsense that U.S. citizens are smuggling the fentanyl in the United States. It's just ridiculous.
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Well, they're ridiculous. They're evil. They're violent. They're corrupt. And they are everywhere in
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this country right now, or every state, as you well know. And as we said, they own the border.
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We're talking with Tom Holman, the former director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. And Tom,
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as we wrap up here, your concluding thoughts on what you think will happen
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in terms of the impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas. Do you think they'll be successful?
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I don't think the Senate will vote for it. I think we have a week. There's even a few
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Republicans in the House that are smiling right now. Sex trafficking is up 600 percent.
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Kimball cartels are making billions of dollars. Kimball cartels now operate in over 40 countries.
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They're in every major city of the United States. And the terrorist threat. He knows they've arrested
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over 300 people off the terrorist watchers on the southern border in three years.
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For Trump, we have 11 and four. For those actions alone, if they don't impeach them,
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there's something very wrong with this system. And I hope and pray they do. I hope it's successful.
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But I have my thoughts because, as you said earlier, we got some rhinos that care more
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about getting reelected than doing the right thing for the American people.
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And who knows? Maybe they are also getting a cut out of the deal.
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Tom, we thank you for being with us. It's great to talk to you, my friend.
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Thanks for being with us. And God bless you. Tom Holman.
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Thanks, Lou. I appreciate you. Thanks, everybody, for being with us. Our guest
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here tomorrow on The Great America Sunday Show will be former White House stenographer
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Mike McCormick, an America First candidate for Congress from the great state of Ohio, J.R. Majewski.
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