The Great America Saturday Show： January 27th, 2024
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On this episode of the Great America Saturday Show, Lou Dobbs is joined by former Chief of the Capitol Police, Stephen Sun, who was a victim of the January 6th Media Disinformation Campaign. They discuss the Democratic Party's attempt to delegitimize the protests that took place on the streets of Washington, D.C. on the morning of January 6, 2020.
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Hello everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Saturday Show. Great to have you
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with us. Thanks for being here. Mainstream Marxist media on a collision course with its rightful
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destiny. 2024 may be the year these journalists of the mainstream media pay a price for deceiving
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the American people. It's been disinformation after misinformation after no information and they
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have yet to pay the price until now. Whether it be the Trump-Russia collusion hoax, the COVID hysteria,
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gaslighting the fake insurrection of January 6th, the phony January 6th prosecutions protecting the
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Biden administration while they turned control of the border over to the Mexican drug cartels,
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the failed withdrawal in Afghanistan costing the lives of 13 innocent service members,
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and oh yes, don't forget, the Bagram Air Force Base that was given up effectively to the Chinese
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by this administration. They're responsible for all of it and as I said, 2024 may be a year of
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reckoning. CNN's ratings have fallen off a cliff. The Los Angeles Times is losing 40 million a year,
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cutting a third of its staff over two recent layoffs. The Washington Post even slashing staff,
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losing nearly a hundred million dollars last year. BuzzFeed laid off 15 percent of its staff,
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closed BuzzFeed News entirely. Vice Media filed for bankruptcy last year and Sports Illustrated
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is now defunct. Think about it all for just a second and put it in perspective. Back in 2021 when
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BuzzFeed went public, they were valued at 1.7 billion dollars. In less than the three years of the Biden
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administration, they lost 97 percent of their value. Vice Media, once valued at 5.7 billion,
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it's now a 350 million dollar property. Perhaps the best news of it all, almost 3,000 left-wing
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journalists lost their jobs in 2023, more than the previous two years combined. Let's bring in our
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first guest today. He was victim to part of the January 6th media disinformation campaign. The former
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chief of Capitol Police, Stephen Sun, joins us. And Stephen, let me say, first of all, delightful to
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have you back with us. I appreciate you taking the time. Let's start with the first order of business.
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A U.S. congressman, a member of the Republican leadership, now facing censure because the Marxist
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Dems said that calling the January 6th defendants hostages is reprehensible, and therefore they're
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calling for her to be censured. Your reaction to all of that? Again, I think you look at it, I think it was
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Democratic mayor, not mayor, Democratic member of Congress, Dan Goldman, that called for her
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censorship. You know, my belief is that's her prerogative. Again, she's a member of Congress,
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a U.S. citizen. You have the right to, you know, kind of say what you want. It's not like she called
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for anybody's violence against anyone. Matter of fact, she spoke against the violence that some of
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the rioters committed on January 6th. And I think this showcases what frustrates Americans across the
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country, the inability of Congress to even work together on the simplest things. I think when
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you ask me, what do I think of that term? I think, again, this goes back to the concern that people
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have of the disparate treatment that you're seeing committed against, you know, treated against
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different people. There's no real rule of law in how the law is being applied to these folks.
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Yeah. Well, they're hostages. They're prisoners of war, an ideological war. And Dan Goldman,
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he is a disgusting and appalling activist who is behaving as ignorantly as any other one of the
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Marxist Dems who mean to destroy this country. Elise Stefanik, I think, deserves great courage for
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speaking up and calling these defendants who many of whom have been in the Bureau of Prisons for three
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years without a trial, without even a trial date. The ignorance of this is just breathtaking. I think
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the Democrat Party and all of these Marxist Dems who run it should be censured because they are the
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ones responsible for those people still being in that prison and being there in the first place.
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I would like to see the Republicans bring censure motions against them. So here we are three years
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later, Steve, and we've been talking about videos. We had a speaker say that he was going to release
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the videos, and he released a few. And now we have a new speaker, and he said he was going to release
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the videos, and he released a few. But over 40,000 remain and unseen. What is your view about what is
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being protected here? And we know by whom. It's the congressional leaders and the Senate leaders and
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the administration. How do we get those videos released, do you think?
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Well, I think more and more of the videos are going to be released. I think eventually they're
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going to try and make all, I think, 44,000 hours of the videos, make them available. And I will tell
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you, I'm 100% behind the transparency of the investigation, release the videos. I think they
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have raised concerns about security measures on the Capitol being revealed through the videos. I think
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there's a limited, I mean, minutes maybe, that they could redact, if that is the concern. But when
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you hide things like this, this is where you get people to start coming up with their own narratives,
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when people can't go in and see what's going on. You know, if right is right and wrong is wrong,
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if officers acted wrong, then it should be dealt with. But, you know, release the video,
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because I feel people just keep coming up and determining their own narrative of what happened,
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if they don't see what happened. Well, you know, you used to run that department. And I have to say,
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I, my view is, if there is a security reason for not showing that video, I don't care what it is,
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pass a bill, spend some money, and then fix it after that. Because those people's lives are a hell of a
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lot more important than some nonsensical security concern by these people who are covering up.
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The American people know what's going on here. It's a cover-up. They're stonewalling. And the,
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and the Republicans now are complicit because Kevin McCarthy and Mike Johnson haven't done what they
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said they do. And their, their lives that could be changed as a result of this. And by the way,
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I think it would show that we saw a vast number of incidents where the protesters were protecting
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other protesters from, uh, cops who had gone, who had lost it. Uh, and they were under a press.
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I certainly understand that. And I'm not asking for charges to be brought against those police
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officers, but I'm sure as hell asking that these people be freed from jail for what they did that
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day, this is ignorance and it's not American. Don't you think? Uh, again, I think when you look
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at the, uh, we had talked about the security features, I think that's something that could
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be easily, easily redacted without taking away the importance of the, the individual piece of video.
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So, you know, to your, to your point, I think that can be, that can be released and where it needs
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to be released for either prosecutorial or defense, um, material, it should be done. So, but I do think
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that the American people need to be able to see stuff that went on, uh, how things were handled,
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uh, up there. Uh, and, and, and again, I think, um, I'm, I'm hoping Speaker Johnson will release
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more. I'm all in favor. I, you know, I know he's talking about, there's going to be a big push
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for getting behind what's, you know, what really happened on January 6th. And I, I hope that is the
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case. Uh, I've pushed for that since, uh, since day one, because something just didn't feel right.
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Yeah. And, you know, there's something I want to point out to everybody at this point.
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I've asked that leaders in this country come together and stop this nonsense. This is the,
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the chief justice could do immense good here interceding, uh, because of the judicial
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proceedings, the bureau of prisons, uh, all of this, uh, related to the judiciary. And he is the
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ultimate force in the American judiciary. But what about all of the national news media? Think about
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this, uh, the New York times, the Washington post, NBC news, ABC news, uh, all of the cable news
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networks, uh, all of the major city newspapers, why haven't they come together and outrage and said,
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free the prisoners, free these hostages of the Marxist Dems. Uh, why would there not be,
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why in the world haven't all of the churches come together and said, free these people, uh,
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it's ignorance and it's madness, it's brutality. It is Barbara barbaric. Uh, and, and this country has
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to do better. We have seen none of that. Steve, your sense is a former police officer and, and,
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and in leadership. Why in the world are we permitting such an atrocity in your, in your view?
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You know, again, looking back in my law enforcement experience, I haven't been especially, uh,
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specifically in Washington, DC for 30 years. Uh, I can tell you, I've, I've, I've seen and heard,
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uh, about cases where you had significant violence that people were released pre-trial, uh, people
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were diverted, uh, from, from, uh, prosecution, from prosecution. Um, and I think, again, it just
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goes to the frustration that people have, uh, what you're seeing as a disparate treatment, why people
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don't, uh, come together. I think, again, you're not going to see it in some of the, the, uh, the
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media, because I think a lot of the media, uh, it doesn't meet their narrative.
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No, it, it doesn't meet their narrative and may they, uh, well, I'll be kind. Uh, I'm not wishing
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great things for the national media. Uh, we're talking with Steven Sund. We're coming right back,
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the former chief of the Capitol police. Uh, we will return right after these quick words. Stay with us.
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Lou Dobbs here. I'm delighted to let you all know that the program Lou Dobbs tonight has returned to the air.
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We're back. We're talking with Steven Sund. He's the former chief of Capitol police,
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a great American. Uh, he was an eyewitness to history over that period. Uh, and I'm sure much
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of his career, uh, we're talking with Steven Sund. And Steven, I want to ask the house investigation
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into what really happened on January 6th. Uh, we're told it's entering a new phase. Speaker Johnson
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apparently supports it. Why, why is everything moving in slow motion? How can we, how can we
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freeze in time, uh, these over a thousand lives, uh, they're being treated barbarically. We know today
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that they've turned off the, uh, the heat to the prison. Some of them, uh, most of them, perhaps,
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uh, this is just barbaric treatment and we're all a party to it because both parties have done
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nothing. Uh, as I said, the national media has done nothing. The, uh, the courts have done nothing.
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I, I just, I've never felt so helpless in my life over an obvious and obvious injustice. Your thoughts.
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So as, again, we see Johnson, uh, Spear Johnson taking this into a new, uh, area. Um, I've been
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down there. I've talked to some of the, the new committees, uh, that are down there. I went down,
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I testified for my second time in public. The first time was in February, 2021. The second time I think
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was September, 2023, uh, public testimony. I've done everything I can to get the truth of what I saw
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were the institutional failings that contributed to January 6th out there, uh, as quickly as possible,
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whether it was in testimony, whether it's in the book. And I will say, you know, at least Congress
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and things do move at glacier speed. And when people's lives are on stake, that's unacceptable.
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And when you look at it, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm happy Congress has gone and changed some,
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some laws based on, uh, based on my testimony, but there's still so much to be done.
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Well, as you say, Washington DC is, it is a swamp. It is a cesspool, whatever you want to call it.
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Uh, but the stench is so strong. I think people should be moving faster so they can avoid it.
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Uh, I, I have to say the frustration to see that they're investigating now, January 6th,
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we know what happened. We know that this was, uh, an out, outrageous injustice perpetrated by the,
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by the Marxist Dems. We know that the courts over sentenced, uh, hundreds of Americans who were
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overcharged to begin with. Uh, and we know the Capitol police and other agencies were there.
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Uh, give us, give us your sense about the claims that, uh, there were at least 200 FBI agents
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there on ghost buses or, you know, whatever, however they were transported. Uh, how likely
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You know, I've heard that, that, that number, uh, recently, and I think he'd, um,
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kind of remember the representative that, um, had brought up something about ghost buses,
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um, buses. I had not seen or heard anything prior to that, but ghost buses, I think he said they
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were dropping off over by Union Station. Um, it, it's not uncommon for, uh, the various agencies,
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whether it's Secret Service, FBI, uh, some of the other law enforcement agencies to have
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someone that covers in crowds when you have big events. Uh, but when you're starting to hear some
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of the things coming out where people were enticing members in the crowd to, to get into the building,
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to do, do different things like that, that's, that's becomes very, very concerning,
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especially for my position as the chief. Right. Well, I think people should know, uh,
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Steve son told me in our first interview, he said that he didn't get the intelligence, uh,
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from any of the agencies on the, uh, before the day of January 6, uh, leading,
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either leading up to it or the day of, uh, have you ever found out why you were,
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I'll put it this way, isolated? Uh, no. And that's one of the things I want
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the investigations to find. What exactly happened? Why was it? Was it, uh, just because
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of stupidity or was there a malicious intent to keep that, that intelligence away from,
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from anybody? So we wouldn't have a more robust, uh, response when you look at it. And, and, and now
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we're, like you said, we're three years into this, four congressional reports have come out
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and every single one of those has indicated this is an intelligence failure. What I've said from day
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one, uh, if we had had that intelligence, we would have more officers, mutual aid, national guard,
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unarmed. All I wanted was unarmed national guard when I asked for them on January 3rd, but
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unarmed national guard and a bigger fence. We wouldn't be here today. If, if I'd gotten that,
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if I'd gotten the intelligence and we had gotten the resources that we needed, we wouldn't be here.
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Maybe you just answered the question. Uh, they didn't, uh, they wanted that data occur just as
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it on unspooled, uh, because, you know, every other explanation doesn't add up. Uh, that is the
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only one because Pelosi was in clear charge. Uh, she was clearly in the know. Uh, I assume Schumer
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was as well, but we know Pelosi was, uh, we know that the top leadership was, and we know full well
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that the Capitol police, uh, all of the agencies that were there represented. And I understand
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that there are at least three other agencies, the, uh, uh, including the FBI. I'm sorry. What did
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you say, Steve? Uh, DC police. Right. And, and, uh, uh, the FBI, and I believe the ATF as well, but,
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uh, so we know this is a spectacular, uh, uh, piece of theater, at least in part,
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because we did see officers on those videotapes waving people into the Capitol. We saw, uh, what's
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his name? Uh, the, uh, uh, apps Ray apps telling people we're going to the Capitol and, and then
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getting, getting, getting a free pass. Hey, this is just outrageous. And now judicial watch
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has filed, filed a wrongful death claim against Lieutenant Michael Byrd, who sent out a, a phony
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shots have been fired message a minute after he pulled the trigger and killed, uh, in my opinion,
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murdered, uh, Ashley Babbitt, uh, your, your thoughts. Uh, again, as far as it involves the, um,
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the, the actions of Byrd, you gotta understand, I was literally removed from my position the very
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next day. Um, Speaker Pelosi went on national TV, called for me by name, uh, to be removed.
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Uh, I was removed. I actually had set up a transition period so I could at least do a,
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a transition with whoever's going to be acting chief. And they removed me within hours of setting
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that up. Uh, so I had no involvement of whatever the investigations were, whatever, uh, information
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again has come out internally, um, for that. So I just don't want to give an un, uh, uneducated,
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uh, answer on you for you. Well, I, I think it's a very educated answer that you just gave
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because you're trying to do the right thing. That wasn't in the interest of the power structure of,
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of the house of representatives, was it? Well, it seemed kind of odd that they were so
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quick to, to have me removed, especially if they had just gone and looked and seen on January 3rd,
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days in advance, I'd asked for assistance, the national guard. I, I'm the only chief of police in the
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United States of America, and I think your audience will get a kick out of this, that has
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to go to the Capitol Police Board and get approval from congressional leadership to bring in federal
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resources, which I did on January 3rd and was denied. And even on January 6th, when we were under
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attack, think about it. The attack started at 1253 on the west front. It took 81 minutes before they
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broke the first window of the, uh, of the Capitol. For 71 of those minutes, I repeatedly was calling the
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Capitol Police Board, can I bring in federal, asking for permission? Can I bring in federal
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assistance? And repeatedly being denied, even while we're under attack. And who would have been making
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that decision? That decision was being made, uh, ultimately by, uh, Paul Irving, Speaker Pelosi's,
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um, uh, House Sergeant Arms. Uh, Mike Stanger, who is the chairman of the Capitol Police Board, was,
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he kept referring to, uh, Mike Stanger, I'm sorry, kept referring to Paul Irving to get his answer,
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uh, and kept waiting. So ultimately, uh, it was Paul Irving who said he's going to run it up the
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chain and get right back to me. And he didn't give me an answer for 71 minutes, despite repeated
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phone calls asking, you know, literally begging for the approval. Up next, President Trump wins his
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first two primary contests historically and handily. He now looks ahead to Nevada, South Carolina, and
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Michigan. So how much longer can Nikki Haley hang around? And why should she? The great political
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strategist Roger Stone joins us here next. Stay with us. We'll be right back.
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Joining us now, Roger Stone, author, brilliant strategist, host of The Stone Zone on Lindell TV.
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And Roger, always great to have you with us. Donald Trump cruising through, well,
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Iowa and New Hampshire, forcing DeSantis to make an abrupt exit. What do you make of it?
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Well, first of all, uh, Governor Ron DeSantis, I think, uh, gave into the inevitable, uh, despite
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squeezing out a distant second place finish in Iowa, he had receded to less than 5% of the vote
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in New Hampshire. Uh, looking back at it retrospectively, his candidacy never had a rationale.
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It was always, I'm staying by equipment. If Trump, uh, as I think he hoped, uh, is eliminated either for
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some legal reason or for some health reason or for some other reason, uh, maybe this will all drop
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into my lap. Uh, and that's not a good reason to run for president. Uh, Donald Trump is more vital
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than I've ever seen him. I mean, he's energized. He's always been a guy who liked a good fight.
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He's a brawler by nature. He's his best under pressure. Uh, he's lost some weight. He looks great.
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Uh, his schedule, uh, you know, having to continue to loop back to New York for these various
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harassment court proceedings, a 26 year old would be exhausted, uh, but he's standing up to it
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extraordinarily well. Uh, and, uh, DeSantis, um, uh, I was, uh, I thought he looked better in his
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withdrawal than he looked in months. He looked like a man who was relieved to tell you the truth. Uh,
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his endorsement of Trump was somewhat grudging, but at least he did it. Uh, he's got a lot of
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repair work to do in Florida. Lou, I must tell you, he's, he's hurt his standing, his approval ratings,
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uh, job approval ratings now below 50%, which is extraordinary for a guy who only a year ago won a
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massive reelection victory. Uh, but I think his votes to the extent that they existed, uh, in New
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Hampshire and he was down to 5%, uh, the polling shows they kind of split down the middle. President
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Trump gets half of them. Nikki Haley gets half of them. That means half of his voters were convinced
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that he was an America first Republican. The other half saw through him and thought perhaps he had too
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much flirtation with the establishment rhino wing of the party. He ends up, I think not really impacting
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the race, but now we finally have what we needed, uh, a race between, uh, the real America first
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candidate, a non-interventionist, the peace candidate, in my opinion, the one can bring an end to the two
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global conflicts we have in the Middle East, uh, and, uh, between Russia and, uh, uh, and Ukraine,
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uh, and the neocon candidate, the candidate of the Bush Cheney wing of the party,
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whose foreign policy really sadly is indistinguishable from that of Joe Biden.
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So, uh, we're, we're going to have a classic contest. The contrast could not be more different.
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And to support that, uh, CNN saying that the margin looks more like 10% than 60%. So I,
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Well, uh, look, uh, polling is, uh, uh, is always, uh, dynamic changes, but the most recent,
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uh, polling that I saw that I have confidence in shows him finishing around 67% of vote.
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That would put Nikki Haley in the thirties. Uh, I don't want to set expectations too high.
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Uh, anything over 50% is victory. I think he's going to do better than that.
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Uh, and then presumably assuming Nikki Haley stays in the race, we moved to South Carolina.
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I think it was very, very effective for the Trump campaign to get, uh, governor Henry McMaster of
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South Carolina. Also that state's Lieutenant governor, a number of the members of his cabinet,
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number of, uh, South Carolina state legislatures to come to New Hampshire, uh, a tax sensitive,
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sensitive state, uh, and tell people the story of, uh, Nikki Haley, uh, and her role in raising gas taxes,
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uh, in South Carolina. I think it was extremely effective. Also very effective to have, uh,
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Senator Tim Scott, who represents South Carolina, uh, endorsed Donald Trump in a, in a great, uh,
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revivalist type style was a, was a great video. It was a great endorsement. So the people who know
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Nikki Haley best are supporting Donald Trump. I think that tells us a lot.
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All right. No doubt about it. Uh, next up, as you say, South Carolina president, uh,
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the president has a 30 point lead in the last polling I looked at. Uh, and the, the issue of
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the day seems to be who will he choose as vice president? I mean, to think we're having this
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conversation before, uh, before February, February is a little early. January is ridiculous. Uh,
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but there it is, uh, your thoughts about who he should, should in your judgment, uh, choose as
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vice president. Well, Lou, uh, former president Richard Nixon once told me that in looking for a
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vice president, don't look for someone who can help you because there is no one who can help you.
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Look for someone who does not hurt you. Uh, which is interesting because the two choices he made in
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1960 were roundly criticized. Henry Cabot Lodge, who I think gets a bum rap, actually. Great new book,
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uh, called The Last Brahmin by Luke Nictor. Uh, Lodge's efforts on behalf of that ticket were
00:26:40.720
far more, uh, vigorous than he, than he was blamed for. But then of course, uh, the, the choice of
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Spiro Agnew. Agnew at the time bridged what was a divide in the party between party moderates,
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uh, and party conservatives. Agnew had elected governor of Maryland as a moderate Republican,
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yet he was acceptable to Barry Goldwater and John Tower and Strom Thurmond and so on. So, uh,
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in making this election, uh, Trump has, uh, uh, the unenviable task of, first of all,
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selecting someone who's qualified to be president. So in the event of the, of disaster, God forbid,
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that President Trump were incapacitated and couldn't do the job, that this person is fully capable
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and has the experience and judgment and temperament to do the job. Then, and only then, do you have to
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look at the political ramifications. Uh, and, uh, I would hope that he would try to seek somebody
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who doesn't just reinforce his support among the voters he already has. Someone who the base is
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satisfied, uh, his base finds trustworthy in terms of sticking to the America first, uh, non-globalist
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agenda. Someone with the courage to stand up to the Marxist Dems, as a friend of mine likes to call them.
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Uh, and, uh, at the same time, reaches out potentially to a constituency, uh, where the
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president needs to add some votes. Now that's a very, very tall order. Uh, there's a lot of good
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people being mentioned. Uh, uh, let me stress from the beginning, anything I say here, these are just
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my opinions. Uh, yes, I talked to the president as you do from time to time, but first of all, I would
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never disclose those conversations. And, uh, he has not indicated to me any preference, one way or
00:28:32.880
another, uh, in any regard. A report yesterday, uh, by, I think it was, uh, Sebastian Gorka, he seems
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like a nice guy, saying, uh, Lee Zeldin, the former congressman from New York, has already been selected.
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Uh, I don't believe that that's accurate. Uh, I also, as much as I like Mr. Zeldin and think he made a
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valiant race for governor of New York, I'm not sure what constituency, uh, he would bring you that
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you don't already have. Uh, Ben Carson is a solid choice. I like Ben Carson. He spoke at my church
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recently, gave a very, very great inspirational church. He's solid. He's steady. He's loyal. Uh,
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he is an African American. I think that's not insignificant. Uh, when I went to pick up my dry
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cleaning the other day, I was kind of surprised that the young woman, uh, the clerk who worked
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there recognized my name. And she said, uh, Mr. Stone, can I ask you a question? I said,
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sure. And she said, we're going to get Trump back in there. And I said, well, uh, are you a Trump
00:29:39.520
supporter? She said, well, I didn't vote last time. In fact, I've never, never voted before,
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because I didn't think it made any difference, but I needed it. And I kind of learned that from my
00:29:48.880
parents. They didn't vote either. But let me tell you, my whole family's now registered. We're all
00:29:52.960
going to be voting for Trump because of what's happening in this country. Now I admit that's
00:29:57.280
anecdotal, but I, but the poll numbers reflect that Trump is making historic inroads among African
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Americans where even incremental improvement can change the dynamics of the entire federal election.
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And we're going to take that up. Uh, and the latest polling on the demographics in this race right
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now, we're talking with Roger Stone. We're coming right back. Please stay with us.
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We're back now with Roger Stone. And Roger, as you advise the president, as you have advised
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presidents for some time, decades, in fact, the council that you suggested, uh, that Richard Nixon
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offered, uh, it makes perfect sense to me first by the candidate who, uh, none of them can help you,
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but, uh, as I'm paraphrasing you, uh, but be sure you don't get one that hurts you. I see just a world
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of hurt, uh, with each one of the candidates that I've heard mentioned prominently. Uh, I'm,
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what would you, do you have a favorite amongst the candidates?
00:31:07.120
Well, it's a difficult question. Uh, first of all, people do need to recognize it. Many people
00:31:13.440
don't, even though I've said it, uh, not only on this show, but on others, uh, because of the rules
00:31:18.880
of the electoral college, while they do not specifically prohibit two people who are legal
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residents of the same state to be nominated by a party for president and vice president,
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they do in the event that they carried that state are required to forfeit the electoral votes of that
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state. So in a close race, you could not afford to do that. That means you could not have Ron DeSantis,
00:31:44.880
for example, not that would be a contender, but I use him for example, or Congressman Byron Donalds,
00:31:51.280
who I like very much, uh, or general Michael Flynn, just for another example. So it cannot be a Floridian.
00:31:59.760
Uh, I have been very impressed, uh, by the feistiness and the fight, uh, of, uh, of Elise Stefanik,
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the congresswoman from upstate New York in a business in which most politicians avoid conflict
00:32:13.920
and try to go along to get along. Uh, she's been in the forefront of the fight against anti-Semitism
00:32:20.880
on the campuses. She played a huge role, uh, in forcing the, uh, president, uh, of Harvard to resign.
00:32:28.960
She's also not been afraid to, uh, file formal complaints, uh, regarding what she reviews,
00:32:36.240
viewed as judicial misconduct in some of the Trump cases. Uh, there are very few members
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of Congress who have this kind of courage, this kind of fight. Uh, she's obviously a woman. Uh,
00:32:49.040
she may have some appeal to suburban women. Uh, I think that she'd be an excellent choice. Uh,
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I'm not saying that's that, that is, uh, I'm not saying that I've recommended that because I,
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I've made no recommendation at this point, but I like her very much.
00:33:03.920
Uh, if the president chose her, I'd be very happy. Uh, Kristi Noem, while she's very attractive
00:33:11.040
and while she has a, a solid record, uh, South Dakota is a small state. And if you're not carrying
00:33:17.440
South Dakota, uh, you know, your candidacy's in trouble. I, again, I think she appeals to the base.
00:33:25.040
Uh, we, we talked about Dr. Ben Carson. I admire him a lot. He's a good man. He's a great Christian.
00:33:30.880
He's solid. He's been through a presidential campaign. I think that's significant. Uh, would
00:33:36.320
not be in my opinion, a bad choice, uh, at all. Uh, your old colleague, my friend, Tucker Carlson,
00:33:44.000
an intriguing idea. Uh, I get the impression that if the president asked him to do it, he'd probably do it.
00:33:50.160
I don't think he seeks it or wants it. Uh, uh, again, until Donald Trump, all of our presidents
00:33:56.880
were either senators or governors or congressmen or generals. Uh, Donald Trump broke the mold being
00:34:03.680
the first business person elected president. Yeah. The last time we nominated businessman was in
00:34:09.440
1940. We nominated Wendell Wilkie in the best race against Franklin Roosevelt of Roosevelt's four
00:34:16.400
challenges, but he did not become president. Uh, I think that, uh, the, that Sarah Huckabee Sanders,
00:34:24.720
uh, is an interesting choice, but she's only in her second year, uh, of the governorship, a very bold,
00:34:31.520
uh, policy on her part, blocking the red Chinese or any Chinese, uh, entity fronting for the communist
00:34:39.680
party from purchasing any real estate, uh, ranch land, farmland, toll plazas, highways, ports, uh,
00:34:47.760
no port here, but, uh, uh, airports and so on. That's a very bold position, something Ron DeSantis
00:34:53.840
pledged to do, but did not really do, uh, in Florida. Uh, I have, uh, taken some flack for putting
00:35:01.040
forward the name, uh, of Tulsi Gabbard. Uh, she's someone who intrigues me because, of course,
00:35:07.920
she's a former Democrat. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat. Donald Trump was a Democrat. I think
00:35:14.800
you can evolve. Uh, she is certainly, uh, a critic of the war machine. She really blasted
00:35:22.080
Nikki Haley yesterday and pointed out that a vote for Nikki Haley would be like voting for Hillary Clinton.
00:35:28.960
Uh, she would have to become a Republican. Uh, she's, uh, as you know, uh, not only an Iraq war
00:35:37.200
veteran, I believe she's a lieutenant colonel in the U S army reserve championship surfer, former
00:35:44.080
Democrat member of Congress, former, uh, vice chairman of the democratic committee. I'm unaware
00:35:50.240
of her position on social issues such as abortion. I haven't had a chance to look at it. Uh, she'd have
00:35:55.600
to become a Republican, uh, at least 30 of the 50 States require that a person nominated for federal
00:36:03.680
office on the Republican ticket be registered in the vote. It's an outside the box choice. Uh, no doubt,
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a bunch of people criticized me for it, but no matter who you recommend, you don't find some criticism.
00:36:17.360
Look, only one man's going to make this choice. Uh, and that's Donald Trump. If he has a shortlist,
00:36:24.240
then it's in his mind. He did say on Fox that he's made this decision. Perhaps he has,
00:36:30.400
but since he doesn't have to July announce it until July, he has every right to change his mind
00:36:35.760
at any time without telling us, uh, I think he's got some good choices. Uh, I think he is wisely,
00:36:44.240
very focused on dispatching Nikki Haley in South Carolina and getting this contest for the nomination
00:36:52.080
over before he turns to this question. So, uh, he has not given me or anyone I know any particular
00:36:58.880
hints. Uh, there are probably other good people, uh, that were, we've failed to mention here.
00:37:05.520
Um, I think it's, uh, he's got time. He doesn't have to make this decision today.
00:37:10.480
This is a popular Washington parlor game. As you know, thanks everybody for being with us. Our
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