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00:01:14.940 Hello everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Saturday Show. Great to have you

00:01:22.860 with us. Thanks for being here. Mainstream Marxist media on a collision course with its rightful

00:01:28.380 destiny. 2024 may be the year these journalists of the mainstream media pay a price for deceiving

00:01:35.500 the American people. It's been disinformation after misinformation after no information and they

00:01:42.020 have yet to pay the price until now. Whether it be the Trump-Russia collusion hoax, the COVID hysteria,

00:01:49.160 gaslighting the fake insurrection of January 6th, the phony January 6th prosecutions protecting the

00:01:57.360 Biden administration while they turned control of the border over to the Mexican drug cartels,

00:02:02.380 the failed withdrawal in Afghanistan costing the lives of 13 innocent service members,

00:02:07.860 and oh yes, don't forget, the Bagram Air Force Base that was given up effectively to the Chinese 0.96

00:02:14.280 by this administration. They're responsible for all of it and as I said, 2024 may be a year of

00:02:21.140 reckoning. CNN's ratings have fallen off a cliff. The Los Angeles Times is losing 40 million a year,

00:02:27.800 cutting a third of its staff over two recent layoffs. The Washington Post even slashing staff,

00:02:33.320 losing nearly a hundred million dollars last year. BuzzFeed laid off 15 percent of its staff,

00:02:39.200 closed BuzzFeed News entirely. Vice Media filed for bankruptcy last year and Sports Illustrated

00:02:45.760 is now defunct. Think about it all for just a second and put it in perspective. Back in 2021 when

00:02:52.960 BuzzFeed went public, they were valued at 1.7 billion dollars. In less than the three years of the Biden

00:03:00.360 administration, they lost 97 percent of their value. Vice Media, once valued at 5.7 billion,

00:03:08.280 it's now a 350 million dollar property. Perhaps the best news of it all, almost 3,000 left-wing

00:03:16.280 journalists lost their jobs in 2023, more than the previous two years combined. Let's bring in our

00:03:22.720 first guest today. He was victim to part of the January 6th media disinformation campaign. The former

00:03:29.460 chief of Capitol Police, Stephen Sun, joins us. And Stephen, let me say, first of all, delightful to

00:03:34.860 have you back with us. I appreciate you taking the time. Let's start with the first order of business.

00:03:39.780 A U.S. congressman, a member of the Republican leadership, now facing censure because the Marxist

00:03:45.600 Dems said that calling the January 6th defendants hostages is reprehensible, and therefore they're

00:03:52.520 calling for her to be censured. Your reaction to all of that? Again, I think you look at it, I think it was

00:03:58.920 Democratic mayor, not mayor, Democratic member of Congress, Dan Goldman, that called for her

00:04:05.800 censorship. You know, my belief is that's her prerogative. Again, she's a member of Congress, 0.91

00:04:10.160 a U.S. citizen. You have the right to, you know, kind of say what you want. It's not like she called

00:04:14.120 for anybody's violence against anyone. Matter of fact, she spoke against the violence that some of

00:04:19.880 the rioters committed on January 6th. And I think this showcases what frustrates Americans across the

00:04:26.540 country, the inability of Congress to even work together on the simplest things. I think when

00:04:31.500 you ask me, what do I think of that term? I think, again, this goes back to the concern that people

00:04:36.980 have of the disparate treatment that you're seeing committed against, you know, treated against

00:04:43.260 different people. There's no real rule of law in how the law is being applied to these folks.

00:04:49.320 Yeah. Well, they're hostages. They're prisoners of war, an ideological war. And Dan Goldman,

00:04:57.680 he is a disgusting and appalling activist who is behaving as ignorantly as any other one of the 0.99

00:05:06.620 Marxist Dems who mean to destroy this country. Elise Stefanik, I think, deserves great courage for 0.97

00:05:14.580 speaking up and calling these defendants who many of whom have been in the Bureau of Prisons for three

00:05:20.960 years without a trial, without even a trial date. The ignorance of this is just breathtaking. I think

00:05:29.660 the Democrat Party and all of these Marxist Dems who run it should be censured because they are the 0.61

00:05:36.260 ones responsible for those people still being in that prison and being there in the first place.

00:05:41.600 I would like to see the Republicans bring censure motions against them. So here we are three years

00:05:49.440 later, Steve, and we've been talking about videos. We had a speaker say that he was going to release

00:05:54.840 the videos, and he released a few. And now we have a new speaker, and he said he was going to release

00:06:00.220 the videos, and he released a few. But over 40,000 remain and unseen. What is your view about what is

00:06:11.760 being protected here? And we know by whom. It's the congressional leaders and the Senate leaders and

00:06:19.540 the administration. How do we get those videos released, do you think?

00:06:23.900 Well, I think more and more of the videos are going to be released. I think eventually they're

00:06:28.180 going to try and make all, I think, 44,000 hours of the videos, make them available. And I will tell

00:06:33.400 you, I'm 100% behind the transparency of the investigation, release the videos. I think they

00:06:39.500 have raised concerns about security measures on the Capitol being revealed through the videos. I think

00:06:48.400 there's a limited, I mean, minutes maybe, that they could redact, if that is the concern. But when

00:06:54.980 you hide things like this, this is where you get people to start coming up with their own narratives,

00:06:59.080 when people can't go in and see what's going on. You know, if right is right and wrong is wrong,

00:07:03.020 if officers acted wrong, then it should be dealt with. But, you know, release the video,

00:07:08.080 because I feel people just keep coming up and determining their own narrative of what happened,

00:07:13.200 if they don't see what happened. Well, you know, you used to run that department. And I have to say,

00:07:23.260 I, my view is, if there is a security reason for not showing that video, I don't care what it is,

00:07:30.500 pass a bill, spend some money, and then fix it after that. Because those people's lives are a hell of a

00:07:39.100 lot more important than some nonsensical security concern by these people who are covering up.

00:07:46.420 The American people know what's going on here. It's a cover-up. They're stonewalling. And the,

00:07:51.800 and the Republicans now are complicit because Kevin McCarthy and Mike Johnson haven't done what they

00:07:57.880 said they do. And their, their lives that could be changed as a result of this. And by the way,

00:08:03.600 I think it would show that we saw a vast number of incidents where the protesters were protecting

00:08:10.260 other protesters from, uh, cops who had gone, who had lost it. Uh, and they were under a press.

00:08:17.560 I certainly understand that. And I'm not asking for charges to be brought against those police

00:08:22.440 officers, but I'm sure as hell asking that these people be freed from jail for what they did that

00:08:28.520 day, this is ignorance and it's not American. Don't you think? Uh, again, I think when you look 0.60

00:08:33.880 at the, uh, we had talked about the security features, I think that's something that could

00:08:37.020 be easily, easily redacted without taking away the importance of the, the individual piece of video.

00:08:41.780 So, you know, to your, to your point, I think that can be, that can be released and where it needs

00:08:46.120 to be released for either prosecutorial or defense, um, material, it should be done. So, but I do think

00:08:51.540 that the American people need to be able to see stuff that went on, uh, how things were handled,

00:08:55.800 uh, up there. Uh, and, and, and again, I think, um, I'm, I'm hoping Speaker Johnson will release

00:09:02.300 more. I'm all in favor. I, you know, I know he's talking about, there's going to be a big push

00:09:05.960 for getting behind what's, you know, what really happened on January 6th. And I, I hope that is the

00:09:10.080 case. Uh, I've pushed for that since, uh, since day one, because something just didn't feel right.

00:09:14.740 Yeah. And, you know, there's something I want to point out to everybody at this point.

00:09:19.480 I've asked that leaders in this country come together and stop this nonsense. This is the,

00:09:25.800 the chief justice could do immense good here interceding, uh, because of the judicial

00:09:31.100 proceedings, the bureau of prisons, uh, all of this, uh, related to the judiciary. And he is the

00:09:37.000 ultimate force in the American judiciary. But what about all of the national news media? Think about

00:09:43.540 this, uh, the New York times, the Washington post, NBC news, ABC news, uh, all of the cable news

00:09:50.360 networks, uh, all of the major city newspapers, why haven't they come together and outrage and said,

00:09:57.040 free the prisoners, free these hostages of the Marxist Dems. Uh, why would there not be,

00:10:06.700 why in the world haven't all of the churches come together and said, free these people, uh,

00:10:12.520 it's ignorance and it's madness, it's brutality. It is Barbara barbaric. Uh, and, and this country has

00:10:18.700 to do better. We have seen none of that. Steve, your sense is a former police officer and, and,

00:10:25.280 and in leadership. Why in the world are we permitting such an atrocity in your, in your view?

00:10:32.540 You know, again, looking back in my law enforcement experience, I haven't been especially, uh,

00:10:37.200 specifically in Washington, DC for 30 years. Uh, I can tell you, I've, I've, I've seen and heard,

00:10:43.640 uh, about cases where you had significant violence that people were released pre-trial, uh, people

00:10:49.760 were diverted, uh, from, from, uh, prosecution, from prosecution. Um, and I think, again, it just

00:10:55.700 goes to the frustration that people have, uh, what you're seeing as a disparate treatment, why people

00:10:59.580 don't, uh, come together. I think, again, you're not going to see it in some of the, the, uh, the

00:11:03.640 media, because I think a lot of the media, uh, it doesn't meet their narrative.

00:11:06.480 No, it, it doesn't meet their narrative and may they, uh, well, I'll be kind. Uh, I'm not wishing

00:11:14.480 great things for the national media. Uh, we're talking with Steven Sund. We're coming right back,

00:11:19.920 the former chief of the Capitol police. Uh, we will return right after these quick words. Stay with us.

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00:11:59.860 We're back. We're talking with Steven Sund. He's the former chief of Capitol police,

00:12:10.160 a great American. Uh, he was an eyewitness to history over that period. Uh, and I'm sure much

00:12:17.040 of his career, uh, we're talking with Steven Sund. And Steven, I want to ask the house investigation

00:12:23.020 into what really happened on January 6th. Uh, we're told it's entering a new phase. Speaker Johnson

00:12:29.060 apparently supports it. Why, why is everything moving in slow motion? How can we, how can we

00:12:37.640 freeze in time, uh, these over a thousand lives, uh, they're being treated barbarically. We know today

00:12:45.480 that they've turned off the, uh, the heat to the prison. Some of them, uh, most of them, perhaps,

00:12:50.780 uh, this is just barbaric treatment and we're all a party to it because both parties have done

00:12:57.680 nothing. Uh, as I said, the national media has done nothing. The, uh, the courts have done nothing.

00:13:03.220 I, I just, I've never felt so helpless in my life over an obvious and obvious injustice. Your thoughts.

00:13:11.780 So as, again, we see Johnson, uh, Spear Johnson taking this into a new, uh, area. Um, I've been

00:13:18.400 down there. I've talked to some of the, the new committees, uh, that are down there. I went down,

00:13:22.460 I testified for my second time in public. The first time was in February, 2021. The second time I think

00:13:27.200 was September, 2023, uh, public testimony. I've done everything I can to get the truth of what I saw

00:13:34.720 were the institutional failings that contributed to January 6th out there, uh, as quickly as possible,

00:13:39.840 whether it was in testimony, whether it's in the book. And I will say, you know, at least Congress

00:13:44.160 and things do move at glacier speed. And when people's lives are on stake, that's unacceptable.

00:13:49.320 And when you look at it, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm happy Congress has gone and changed some,

00:13:53.560 some laws based on, uh, based on my testimony, but there's still so much to be done.

00:13:58.440 Well, as you say, Washington DC is, it is a swamp. It is a cesspool, whatever you want to call it.

00:14:05.820 Uh, but the stench is so strong. I think people should be moving faster so they can avoid it.

00:14:10.700 Uh, I, I have to say the frustration to see that they're investigating now, January 6th,

00:14:18.860 we know what happened. We know that this was, uh, an out, outrageous injustice perpetrated by the,

00:14:26.140 by the Marxist Dems. We know that the courts over sentenced, uh, hundreds of Americans who were

00:14:32.960 overcharged to begin with. Uh, and we know the Capitol police and other agencies were there.

00:14:39.840 Uh, give us, give us your sense about the claims that, uh, there were at least 200 FBI agents

00:14:47.520 there on ghost buses or, you know, whatever, however they were transported. Uh, how likely

00:14:53.980 is it that the number was that high?

00:14:56.960 You know, I've heard that, that, that number, uh, recently, and I think he'd, um,

00:15:00.720 kind of remember the representative that, um, had brought up something about ghost buses,

00:15:04.080 um, buses. I had not seen or heard anything prior to that, but ghost buses, I think he said they

00:15:09.200 were dropping off over by Union Station. Um, it, it's not uncommon for, uh, the various agencies,

00:15:15.200 whether it's Secret Service, FBI, uh, some of the other law enforcement agencies to have

00:15:19.120 someone that covers in crowds when you have big events. Uh, but when you're starting to hear some

00:15:23.200 of the things coming out where people were enticing members in the crowd to, to get into the building,

00:15:28.160 to do, do different things like that, that's, that's becomes very, very concerning,

00:15:32.240 especially for my position as the chief. Right. Well, I think people should know, uh,

00:15:37.280 Steve son told me in our first interview, he said that he didn't get the intelligence, uh,

00:15:43.840 from any of the agencies on the, uh, before the day of January 6, uh, leading,

00:15:50.960 either leading up to it or the day of, uh, have you ever found out why you were,

00:15:57.520 I'll put it this way, isolated? Uh, no. And that's one of the things I want

00:16:02.400 the investigations to find. What exactly happened? Why was it? Was it, uh, just because

00:16:06.720 of stupidity or was there a malicious intent to keep that, that intelligence away from, 1.00

00:16:11.680 from anybody? So we wouldn't have a more robust, uh, response when you look at it. And, and, and now 0.99

00:16:17.200 we're, like you said, we're three years into this, four congressional reports have come out

00:16:21.120 and every single one of those has indicated this is an intelligence failure. What I've said from day

00:16:25.040 one, uh, if we had had that intelligence, we would have more officers, mutual aid, national guard,

00:16:30.160 unarmed. All I wanted was unarmed national guard when I asked for them on January 3rd, but

00:16:34.720 unarmed national guard and a bigger fence. We wouldn't be here today. If, if I'd gotten that,

00:16:39.600 if I'd gotten the intelligence and we had gotten the resources that we needed, we wouldn't be here.

00:16:43.360 Maybe you just answered the question. Uh, they didn't, uh, they wanted that data occur just as

00:16:50.080 it on unspooled, uh, because, you know, every other explanation doesn't add up. Uh, that is the

00:16:57.360 only one because Pelosi was in clear charge. Uh, she was clearly in the know. Uh, I assume Schumer

00:17:04.400 was as well, but we know Pelosi was, uh, we know that the top leadership was, and we know full well

00:17:12.080 that the Capitol police, uh, all of the agencies that were there represented. And I understand

00:17:18.320 that there are at least three other agencies, the, uh, uh, including the FBI. I'm sorry. What did

00:17:25.360 you say, Steve? Uh, DC police. Right. And, and, uh, uh, the FBI, and I believe the ATF as well, but,

00:17:32.880 uh, so we know this is a spectacular, uh, uh, piece of theater, at least in part,

00:17:43.360 because we did see officers on those videotapes waving people into the Capitol. We saw, uh, what's

00:17:50.000 his name? Uh, the, uh, uh, apps Ray apps telling people we're going to the Capitol and, and then

00:17:58.480 getting, getting, getting a free pass. Hey, this is just outrageous. And now judicial watch

00:18:05.200 has filed, filed a wrongful death claim against Lieutenant Michael Byrd, who sent out a, a phony

00:18:12.320 shots have been fired message a minute after he pulled the trigger and killed, uh, in my opinion,

00:18:17.920 murdered, uh, Ashley Babbitt, uh, your, your thoughts. Uh, again, as far as it involves the, um,

00:18:27.120 the, the actions of Byrd, you gotta understand, I was literally removed from my position the very

00:18:33.040 next day. Um, Speaker Pelosi went on national TV, called for me by name, uh, to be removed.

00:18:39.440 Uh, I was removed. I actually had set up a transition period so I could at least do a,

00:18:43.840 a transition with whoever's going to be acting chief. And they removed me within hours of setting

00:18:48.400 that up. Uh, so I had no involvement of whatever the investigations were, whatever, uh, information

00:18:53.520 again has come out internally, um, for that. So I just don't want to give an un, uh, uneducated,

00:18:59.120 uh, answer on you for you. Well, I, I think it's a very educated answer that you just gave

00:19:04.720 because you're trying to do the right thing. That wasn't in the interest of the power structure of,

00:19:08.880 of the house of representatives, was it? Well, it seemed kind of odd that they were so

00:19:12.880 quick to, to have me removed, especially if they had just gone and looked and seen on January 3rd,

00:19:17.760 days in advance, I'd asked for assistance, the national guard. I, I'm the only chief of police in the

00:19:22.160 United States of America, and I think your audience will get a kick out of this, that has

00:19:25.840 to go to the Capitol Police Board and get approval from congressional leadership to bring in federal

00:19:30.720 resources, which I did on January 3rd and was denied. And even on January 6th, when we were under

00:19:36.320 attack, think about it. The attack started at 1253 on the west front. It took 81 minutes before they

00:19:43.280 broke the first window of the, uh, of the Capitol. For 71 of those minutes, I repeatedly was calling the

00:19:48.480 Capitol Police Board, can I bring in federal, asking for permission? Can I bring in federal

00:19:51.760 assistance? And repeatedly being denied, even while we're under attack. And who would have been making

00:19:58.000 that decision? That decision was being made, uh, ultimately by, uh, Paul Irving, Speaker Pelosi's,

00:20:04.480 um, uh, House Sergeant Arms. Uh, Mike Stanger, who is the chairman of the Capitol Police Board, was,

00:20:10.640 he kept referring to, uh, Mike Stanger, I'm sorry, kept referring to Paul Irving to get his answer,

00:20:17.360 uh, and kept waiting. So ultimately, uh, it was Paul Irving who said he's going to run it up the

00:20:21.920 chain and get right back to me. And he didn't give me an answer for 71 minutes, despite repeated

00:20:26.480 phone calls asking, you know, literally begging for the approval. Up next, President Trump wins his

00:20:32.080 first two primary contests historically and handily. He now looks ahead to Nevada, South Carolina, and

00:20:39.360 Michigan. So how much longer can Nikki Haley hang around? And why should she? The great political 1.00

00:20:45.840 strategist Roger Stone joins us here next. Stay with us. We'll be right back.

00:20:56.240 Joining us now, Roger Stone, author, brilliant strategist, host of The Stone Zone on Lindell TV.

00:21:02.160 And Roger, always great to have you with us. Donald Trump cruising through, well,

00:21:06.560 Iowa and New Hampshire, forcing DeSantis to make an abrupt exit. What do you make of it?

00:21:11.920 Well, first of all, uh, Governor Ron DeSantis, I think, uh, gave into the inevitable, uh, despite

00:21:18.480 squeezing out a distant second place finish in Iowa, he had receded to less than 5% of the vote

00:21:25.680 in New Hampshire. Uh, looking back at it retrospectively, his candidacy never had a rationale.

00:21:32.560 It was always, I'm staying by equipment. If Trump, uh, as I think he hoped, uh, is eliminated either for

00:21:39.680 some legal reason or for some health reason or for some other reason, uh, maybe this will all drop

00:21:45.120 into my lap. Uh, and that's not a good reason to run for president. Uh, Donald Trump is more vital

00:21:51.520 than I've ever seen him. I mean, he's energized. He's always been a guy who liked a good fight.

00:21:56.800 He's a brawler by nature. He's his best under pressure. Uh, he's lost some weight. He looks great.

00:22:03.600 Uh, his schedule, uh, you know, having to continue to loop back to New York for these various

00:22:09.280 harassment court proceedings, a 26 year old would be exhausted, uh, but he's standing up to it

00:22:16.240 extraordinarily well. Uh, and, uh, DeSantis, um, uh, I was, uh, I thought he looked better in his

00:22:23.040 withdrawal than he looked in months. He looked like a man who was relieved to tell you the truth. Uh,

00:22:29.360 his endorsement of Trump was somewhat grudging, but at least he did it. Uh, he's got a lot of

00:22:35.520 repair work to do in Florida. Lou, I must tell you, he's, he's hurt his standing, his approval ratings,

00:22:41.520 uh, job approval ratings now below 50%, which is extraordinary for a guy who only a year ago won a

00:22:48.960 massive reelection victory. Uh, but I think his votes to the extent that they existed, uh, in New

00:22:56.480 Hampshire and he was down to 5%, uh, the polling shows they kind of split down the middle. President

00:23:02.960 Trump gets half of them. Nikki Haley gets half of them. That means half of his voters were convinced

00:23:08.240 that he was an America first Republican. The other half saw through him and thought perhaps he had too

00:23:14.080 much flirtation with the establishment rhino wing of the party. He ends up, I think not really impacting

00:23:22.240 the race, but now we finally have what we needed, uh, a race between, uh, the real America first 0.63

00:23:28.720 candidate, a non-interventionist, the peace candidate, in my opinion, the one can bring an end to the two

00:23:37.280 global conflicts we have in the Middle East, uh, and, uh, between Russia and, uh, uh, and Ukraine,

00:23:44.320 uh, and the neocon candidate, the candidate of the Bush Cheney wing of the party,

00:23:51.040 whose foreign policy really sadly is indistinguishable from that of Joe Biden.

00:23:57.120 So, uh, we're, we're going to have a classic contest. The contrast could not be more different.

00:24:03.840 And to support that, uh, CNN saying that the margin looks more like 10% than 60%. So I,

00:24:11.520 I'll go with your, uh, your prediction.

00:24:13.760 Well, uh, look, uh, polling is, uh, uh, is always, uh, dynamic changes, but the most recent,

00:24:21.440 uh, polling that I saw that I have confidence in shows him finishing around 67% of vote.

00:24:26.960 That would put Nikki Haley in the thirties. Uh, I don't want to set expectations too high.

00:24:33.200 Uh, anything over 50% is victory. I think he's going to do better than that.

00:24:36.960 Uh, and then presumably assuming Nikki Haley stays in the race, we moved to South Carolina. 0.95

00:24:45.120 I think it was very, very effective for the Trump campaign to get, uh, governor Henry McMaster of

00:24:51.200 South Carolina. Also that state's Lieutenant governor, a number of the members of his cabinet,

00:24:56.560 number of, uh, South Carolina state legislatures to come to New Hampshire, uh, a tax sensitive,

00:25:03.440 sensitive state, uh, and tell people the story of, uh, Nikki Haley, uh, and her role in raising gas taxes,

00:25:10.400 uh, in South Carolina. I think it was extremely effective. Also very effective to have, uh,

00:25:16.560 Senator Tim Scott, who represents South Carolina, uh, endorsed Donald Trump in a, in a great, uh,

00:25:24.000 revivalist type style was a, was a great video. It was a great endorsement. So the people who know

00:25:29.920 Nikki Haley best are supporting Donald Trump. I think that tells us a lot.

00:25:34.480 All right. No doubt about it. Uh, next up, as you say, South Carolina president, uh,

00:25:40.880 the president has a 30 point lead in the last polling I looked at. Uh, and the, the issue of

00:25:47.680 the day seems to be who will he choose as vice president? I mean, to think we're having this

00:25:53.760 conversation before, uh, before February, February is a little early. January is ridiculous. Uh, 0.96

00:26:01.200 but there it is, uh, your thoughts about who he should, should in your judgment, uh, choose as

00:26:07.200 vice president. Well, Lou, uh, former president Richard Nixon once told me that in looking for a

00:26:14.240 vice president, don't look for someone who can help you because there is no one who can help you.

00:26:19.360 Look for someone who does not hurt you. Uh, which is interesting because the two choices he made in

00:26:26.240 1960 were roundly criticized. Henry Cabot Lodge, who I think gets a bum rap, actually. Great new book,

00:26:33.840 uh, called The Last Brahmin by Luke Nictor. Uh, Lodge's efforts on behalf of that ticket were

00:26:40.720 far more, uh, vigorous than he, than he was blamed for. But then of course, uh, the, the choice of

00:26:46.960 Spiro Agnew. Agnew at the time bridged what was a divide in the party between party moderates,

00:26:54.240 uh, and party conservatives. Agnew had elected governor of Maryland as a moderate Republican,

00:27:00.560 yet he was acceptable to Barry Goldwater and John Tower and Strom Thurmond and so on. So, uh,

00:27:07.040 in making this election, uh, Trump has, uh, uh, the unenviable task of, first of all,

00:27:13.280 selecting someone who's qualified to be president. So in the event of the, of disaster, God forbid,

00:27:20.800 that President Trump were incapacitated and couldn't do the job, that this person is fully capable

00:27:25.680 and has the experience and judgment and temperament to do the job. Then, and only then, do you have to

00:27:32.480 look at the political ramifications. Uh, and, uh, I would hope that he would try to seek somebody

00:27:39.360 who doesn't just reinforce his support among the voters he already has. Someone who the base is

00:27:47.440 satisfied, uh, his base finds trustworthy in terms of sticking to the America first, uh, non-globalist

00:27:55.760 agenda. Someone with the courage to stand up to the Marxist Dems, as a friend of mine likes to call them.

00:28:02.000 Uh, and, uh, at the same time, reaches out potentially to a constituency, uh, where the

00:28:08.480 president needs to add some votes. Now that's a very, very tall order. Uh, there's a lot of good

00:28:14.400 people being mentioned. Uh, uh, let me stress from the beginning, anything I say here, these are just

00:28:20.240 my opinions. Uh, yes, I talked to the president as you do from time to time, but first of all, I would

00:28:26.400 never disclose those conversations. And, uh, he has not indicated to me any preference, one way or

00:28:32.880 another, uh, in any regard. A report yesterday, uh, by, I think it was, uh, Sebastian Gorka, he seems

00:28:40.480 like a nice guy, saying, uh, Lee Zeldin, the former congressman from New York, has already been selected.

00:28:48.080 Uh, I don't believe that that's accurate. Uh, I also, as much as I like Mr. Zeldin and think he made a

00:28:55.200 valiant race for governor of New York, I'm not sure what constituency, uh, he would bring you that

00:29:01.840 you don't already have. Uh, Ben Carson is a solid choice. I like Ben Carson. He spoke at my church

00:29:10.160 recently, gave a very, very great inspirational church. He's solid. He's steady. He's loyal. Uh,

00:29:18.000 he is an African American. I think that's not insignificant. Uh, when I went to pick up my dry

00:29:24.240 cleaning the other day, I was kind of surprised that the young woman, uh, the clerk who worked 0.81

00:29:29.520 there recognized my name. And she said, uh, Mr. Stone, can I ask you a question? I said,

00:29:34.400 sure. And she said, we're going to get Trump back in there. And I said, well, uh, are you a Trump

00:29:39.520 supporter? She said, well, I didn't vote last time. In fact, I've never, never voted before,

00:29:44.080 because I didn't think it made any difference, but I needed it. And I kind of learned that from my

00:29:48.880 parents. They didn't vote either. But let me tell you, my whole family's now registered. We're all

00:29:52.960 going to be voting for Trump because of what's happening in this country. Now I admit that's

00:29:57.280 anecdotal, but I, but the poll numbers reflect that Trump is making historic inroads among African

00:30:04.000 Americans where even incremental improvement can change the dynamics of the entire federal election.

00:30:11.840 And we're going to take that up. Uh, and the latest polling on the demographics in this race right

00:30:18.640 now, we're talking with Roger Stone. We're coming right back. Please stay with us.

00:30:29.600 We're back now with Roger Stone. And Roger, as you advise the president, as you have advised

00:30:35.680 presidents for some time, decades, in fact, the council that you suggested, uh, that Richard Nixon

00:30:45.040 offered, uh, it makes perfect sense to me first by the candidate who, uh, none of them can help you,

00:30:51.200 but, uh, as I'm paraphrasing you, uh, but be sure you don't get one that hurts you. I see just a world

00:30:58.160 of hurt, uh, with each one of the candidates that I've heard mentioned prominently. Uh, I'm,

00:31:03.920 what would you, do you have a favorite amongst the candidates?

00:31:07.120 Well, it's a difficult question. Uh, first of all, people do need to recognize it. Many people

00:31:13.440 don't, even though I've said it, uh, not only on this show, but on others, uh, because of the rules

00:31:18.880 of the electoral college, while they do not specifically prohibit two people who are legal

00:31:25.520 residents of the same state to be nominated by a party for president and vice president,

00:31:31.040 they do in the event that they carried that state are required to forfeit the electoral votes of that

00:31:37.760 state. So in a close race, you could not afford to do that. That means you could not have Ron DeSantis,

00:31:44.880 for example, not that would be a contender, but I use him for example, or Congressman Byron Donalds,

00:31:51.280 who I like very much, uh, or general Michael Flynn, just for another example. So it cannot be a Floridian.

00:31:59.760 Uh, I have been very impressed, uh, by the feistiness and the fight, uh, of, uh, of Elise Stefanik,

00:32:07.680 the congresswoman from upstate New York in a business in which most politicians avoid conflict

00:32:13.920 and try to go along to get along. Uh, she's been in the forefront of the fight against anti-Semitism

00:32:20.880 on the campuses. She played a huge role, uh, in forcing the, uh, president, uh, of Harvard to resign.

00:32:28.960 She's also not been afraid to, uh, file formal complaints, uh, regarding what she reviews,

00:32:36.240 viewed as judicial misconduct in some of the Trump cases. Uh, there are very few members

00:32:42.800 of Congress who have this kind of courage, this kind of fight. Uh, she's obviously a woman. Uh,

00:32:49.040 she may have some appeal to suburban women. Uh, I think that she'd be an excellent choice. Uh, 1.00

00:32:56.240 I'm not saying that's that, that is, uh, I'm not saying that I've recommended that because I,

00:33:00.640 I've made no recommendation at this point, but I like her very much.

00:33:03.920 Uh, if the president chose her, I'd be very happy. Uh, Kristi Noem, while she's very attractive 1.00

00:33:11.040 and while she has a, a solid record, uh, South Dakota is a small state. And if you're not carrying

00:33:17.440 South Dakota, uh, you know, your candidacy's in trouble. I, again, I think she appeals to the base.

00:33:25.040 Uh, we, we talked about Dr. Ben Carson. I admire him a lot. He's a good man. He's a great Christian.

00:33:30.880 He's solid. He's been through a presidential campaign. I think that's significant. Uh, would

00:33:36.320 not be in my opinion, a bad choice, uh, at all. Uh, your old colleague, my friend, Tucker Carlson,

00:33:44.000 an intriguing idea. Uh, I get the impression that if the president asked him to do it, he'd probably do it.

00:33:50.160 I don't think he seeks it or wants it. Uh, uh, again, until Donald Trump, all of our presidents

00:33:56.880 were either senators or governors or congressmen or generals. Uh, Donald Trump broke the mold being

00:34:03.680 the first business person elected president. Yeah. The last time we nominated businessman was in

00:34:09.440 1940. We nominated Wendell Wilkie in the best race against Franklin Roosevelt of Roosevelt's four

00:34:16.400 challenges, but he did not become president. Uh, I think that, uh, the, that Sarah Huckabee Sanders, 0.87

00:34:24.720 uh, is an interesting choice, but she's only in her second year, uh, of the governorship, a very bold, 0.64

00:34:31.520 uh, policy on her part, blocking the red Chinese or any Chinese, uh, entity fronting for the communist

00:34:39.680 party from purchasing any real estate, uh, ranch land, farmland, toll plazas, highways, ports, uh,

00:34:47.760 no port here, but, uh, uh, airports and so on. That's a very bold position, something Ron DeSantis

00:34:53.840 pledged to do, but did not really do, uh, in Florida. Uh, I have, uh, taken some flack for putting

00:35:01.040 forward the name, uh, of Tulsi Gabbard. Uh, she's someone who intrigues me because, of course,

00:35:07.920 she's a former Democrat. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat. Donald Trump was a Democrat. I think

00:35:14.800 you can evolve. Uh, she is certainly, uh, a critic of the war machine. She really blasted 1.00

00:35:22.080 Nikki Haley yesterday and pointed out that a vote for Nikki Haley would be like voting for Hillary Clinton.

00:35:28.960 Uh, she would have to become a Republican. Uh, she's, uh, as you know, uh, not only an Iraq war

00:35:37.200 veteran, I believe she's a lieutenant colonel in the U S army reserve championship surfer, former

00:35:44.080 Democrat member of Congress, former, uh, vice chairman of the democratic committee. I'm unaware

00:35:50.240 of her position on social issues such as abortion. I haven't had a chance to look at it. Uh, she'd have

00:35:55.600 to become a Republican, uh, at least 30 of the 50 States require that a person nominated for federal

00:36:03.680 office on the Republican ticket be registered in the vote. It's an outside the box choice. Uh, no doubt,

00:36:11.360 a bunch of people criticized me for it, but no matter who you recommend, you don't find some criticism.

00:36:17.360 Look, only one man's going to make this choice. Uh, and that's Donald Trump. If he has a shortlist,

00:36:24.240 then it's in his mind. He did say on Fox that he's made this decision. Perhaps he has,

00:36:30.400 but since he doesn't have to July announce it until July, he has every right to change his mind

00:36:35.760 at any time without telling us, uh, I think he's got some good choices. Uh, I think he is wisely,

00:36:44.240 very focused on dispatching Nikki Haley in South Carolina and getting this contest for the nomination

00:36:52.080 over before he turns to this question. So, uh, he has not given me or anyone I know any particular

00:36:58.880 hints. Uh, there are probably other good people, uh, that were, we've failed to mention here.

00:37:05.520 Um, I think it's, uh, he's got time. He doesn't have to make this decision today.

00:37:10.480 This is a popular Washington parlor game. As you know, thanks everybody for being with us. Our

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The Great America Show - January 27, 2024

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