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00:00:33.700Hello, everybody. Welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:38.040Our guest today, a man who's been investigating election fraud for many years.
00:00:42.140He says our election machine error rates violate federal law and says Bill Barr is partly responsible for fulfilling the Marxist Dems' aspirations.
00:00:55.160And now with us, I am pleased to say Harry Horry, and we're going to talk elections.
00:01:00.860We're going to talk about why we're having this conversation so near the upcoming presidential election and so far away from 2020.
00:01:12.780We're now talking about electoral integrity in this country.
00:01:16.980I haven't seen a lot done to assure that in this upcoming election.
00:01:24.040Yeah, there's several reasons for that.
00:01:26.380I mean, obviously, I was part of the effort to try to explore and understand what happened in 2020.
00:01:32.860Specifically, I was mostly working with Phil Klein and the Amistad Project, but as an advisor on cybersecurity matters and election conduct and operations, both of which I have a fair amount of experience in.
00:01:50.020So during that period of time, we discovered that there were, you know, many things not being done correctly.
00:01:57.540And the difficulty, though, is that many in the excitement and the frustration that people were feeling, we saw most of the election investigations and efforts concentrated on who won the election.
00:02:13.660And, in fact, the predicate for challenging outcome is very difficult.
00:02:23.020And you almost have to have proof ahead of time before they'll give you standing.
00:02:28.260So I'm not excusing what the courts did, but within the context of what they believe standing means and what precedence means, I understand what they did.
00:02:38.920And the issue really should have gone back to Bush v. Gore in 2000 when the challenge was about misconduct.
00:02:48.560Most people realize, of course, that Bush ends up winning the election, but it didn't start that way.
00:02:55.260It was a challenge of misconduct, a challenge of incorrect signature verification and incorrect counting of hanging chads and dimpled ballots with regard to the principal right, which is to have elections measure the intent of the electorate.
00:03:12.680And so what happens, though, is when the Supreme Court realizes or defines in their preliminary injunctions that the result of a different method of counting results in a different winner, they're in the box because now they have materiality proven.
00:03:29.880And because of this, they issue an equity decision that reverses the Florida certification or forces the Florida certification to George Bush in that particular contest.
00:03:47.360But this doesn't excuse the situation that we have a totally broken election mess and the fact that, you know, for whatever reasons, our DOJ and state officials seem to be loathe to investigate and explore what really happened in detail, which is, you know, essentially I've dedicated my life for the last four years.
00:04:11.680Having founded United Sovereign Americans with Marley Hornick to try to deal with the fact that we can prove rampant and massive misconduct.
00:04:25.020I've been testifying about a lot of things.
00:04:28.080I testified for Jeffrey Clark's disbarmentary trial.
00:04:33.780And I also was involved in the arrest of Eugene Yu in East Lansing, Michigan.
00:04:39.940And I was one of the first parties involved in trying to figure out how to determine what happened in Bethpage, New York.
00:05:14.760And what was the outcome of the court action that you were part of?
00:05:19.320So the history on Connick is that True the Vote's investigators found a disturbing connection between the Connick software and a company that is a sponsored entity in China, in Zhengzhou province.
00:05:41.600And the fact of the matter is that they brought me in, True the Vote brought me in as a cyber forensics expert to look at the data they found and determine whether or not it raised a reasonable suspicion that there was a connection to the CCP in Connick.
00:05:58.740And anyway, we were called several, you know, a couple of us were called to testify at the grand jury in L.A. County.
00:06:07.420I was one of them, and I basically testified that there was reason to be concerned that the data that True the Vote had found was of reasonable concern.
00:06:21.740And Eric Neff, the assistant prosecutor in L.A. County, testifies as well in front of the grand jury.
00:06:33.200This results in a warrant for you for cyber forensic seizure and the arrest of Eugene Yu.
00:06:43.260And we supported that cyber forensic capture.
00:06:54.500We were hired by L.A. County to do forensic capture, according to DEA and FBI standards, which we did.
00:07:05.680Then we reported what we found, which was a clear indicator of a suspicious and probable national espionage hit.
00:07:14.760We reported it because all of our investigators carry high-level security clearances with the DOD and other agencies.
00:07:24.660And this report was made to DCSA, which investigated it, reported it as a matter of urgent concern to the Department of Justice and FBI.
00:07:35.280And then the Department of Justice and FBI do nothing with the report.
00:07:38.840We're going to we're talking with Harry Howery and we're talking about what in the world is what in the world is the state of this country's election system?
00:07:54.200As we are now just about five months away from deciding who will be the next president of the United States.
00:08:01.780And do we have a system that has security and integrity for for millions of Americans to vote this time?
00:08:12.680We'll continue with Harry in just a moment.
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00:10:11.380There was a great splash of publicity and focus on the company, which had apparently put together a lot of data, gathered a lot of data on election workers as well in their system.
00:10:29.720Tell us, were the case now, is the case still ongoing?
00:11:27.420You know, they get sued in Harris County, Texas, for, you know, participating in the truth and defamation.
00:11:34.280And I actually, you can find it on the web, entered an affidavit about what we found that was supposed to be filed under seal.
00:11:43.140But the judge and, you know, Republican appointee, actually, federal judge in Harris County, refuses to seal the things that are being submitted by truth-of-the-vote because they think it's going to be embarrassing to them.
00:11:57.260In fact, I believe that this was a mistake.
00:12:00.080They didn't know that my affidavit lay out there like a landmine.
00:12:03.700But if you want to do a web search, you can find it.
00:12:18.500It was posted on true-of-the-vote's website.
00:12:21.100I don't know if it's still in their ink product.
00:12:24.980We'll pull it together and put it up under very easy access and tell everybody about it.
00:12:31.600So, the plain fact of the matter in the end is they dropped the lawsuit and unbelievably settled for $5 million of alleged misconduct by conic.
00:12:44.600The fact of the facts are the facts, though.
00:12:49.480You know, what we found were extensive connections between conic and, you know, actors in China that are clearly CCP-aligned.
00:13:01.460And you'd have to understand China deeply to understand what that means.
00:19:21.740Tell us about your views on cybersecurity and infrastructure and why in the world we put up with the nonsense that they did an investigation in 2020
00:19:34.760when they palpably did not, and they persisted in the lie.
00:19:56.780You've got government agencies under threat.
00:20:00.360The Chinese have been accused of hacking many records out of the federal government,
00:20:06.960but somehow our election systems were magically immune to these attacks in 2020.
00:20:13.340And they weren't investigated because people that were either so deranged about whether or not we should have a fair election,
00:20:23.860if that fair election elected Donald Trump, to people that were acting in a way that was irresponsible and reckless.
00:20:32.340So, the fact of the matter is, when Krebs declares it the most secure election ever,
00:20:37.340I would argue that there haven't been, you know, secure elections that are completely transparent and visible
00:20:43.780since we left people voting as a group in front of the ballot box under the auspices and observation of their neighbors at local precincts,
00:20:55.160probably in the late 1700s or early 1800s.
00:21:01.000There was a huge difficulty with ballot box stuffing and whatnot in the 1800s, you know,
00:21:07.460resulting in a series of major revisions of election precedents and law in 1888.
00:21:14.040Most people don't realize this, but there is a law in the United States of America
00:21:19.780that's called the Federal Information Security Modernization Act.
00:21:23.740It replaces an earlier version of what's called FISMA.
00:21:27.220So, there's two FISMAs out there, but the current FISMA mandates the way that the federal government secures things.
00:21:33.620And here we have the most important, the only right that's guaranteed in the Constitution is the right of electing our own representatives in suffrage, right?
00:21:44.020This is the only right general to guarantee it.
00:21:47.420It's the only one talked about as a right of the people.
00:21:50.420And the rest are embedded in the, you know, the amendments to the Constitution, which wouldn't be agreed to initially.
00:21:59.960But the one that everybody agreed to is that we had a right to elect our representatives and we had a right that all eligible voters,
00:22:08.560which was a narrowly defined thing in those days, but has been expanded, you know, broadly, is a right of all citizens.
00:22:16.860So, what we have is we have a government agency, a bureaucrat in Krebs, declaring that there's nothing here that's here.
00:22:26.720And our election system is set up as an adversarial system.
00:22:32.220But in 2020, they deny the effective adversarial relationship through the COVID monstrosity about keeping people 20 or more feet away from observing the vote to other things that were direct malicious actions, you know, counteracting the law.
00:22:53.680And we watch many of those acts on television.
00:23:01.700Right, and they were election misconduct, but we didn't challenge them correctly in that regard.
00:23:07.600You know, United Sovereign Americans, that's what we're doing is we're challenging misconduct.
00:23:14.080You know, we can prosecute a person for having five illegal ballots on their front seat that they've harvested illegally.
00:23:20.620But we, we, this isn't the same as going after the issue of whether or not, you know, Donald Trump won the election or Joe Biden.
00:23:30.420It's about, it's about holding people to the law.
00:23:33.740Again, there's only really five components.
00:23:40.340And I want to, I want to boil this down here in the last few minutes here.
00:23:43.640One, right now, there are a number of actions, court actions underway.
00:23:52.340The most, one of the very, if not the most important to me is the curling case in Georgia.
00:23:58.500Judge Amy Totenberg, your judgment about how important it is and what you expect will be her finding on what was a bench trial over electronic voting machines
00:24:10.120and their, their ability to not be manipulated and to assure a true vote on November 5th of this year.
00:25:14.380Curling, Amy Totenberg's initial dicta is quite strong about this issue.
00:25:23.320You know, obviously we don't, we don't have a final decision yet.
00:25:27.940But I think the basic issue is that these officials have to obey the law.
00:25:33.100And that includes what the requirements are under our codes of federal regulations and our laws about what it means to have a secure election.
00:26:34.220We've seen a mess over the last, you know, four years with regard to governance.
00:26:39.460And it's because people, the government, including the bureaucrats, believe they're above the legal restrictions that the courts might place on them.
00:26:48.180So as we wrap up here, Harry, what is your sense?
00:26:52.680How will she, in your judgment, rule and what will be the effect of that rule to clean up the 2024 election while it still can be cleaned up?
00:27:04.120So no matter what she moves, it'll be going to the Supreme Court in my estimation.
00:27:09.800Secondly, I hope that she's brave enough to do what needs to be done.
00:27:14.560But there's more to it than just the machines or the voter rolls, the law, the machines,
00:27:21.480and the fact that we can't have transparency and provability.
00:27:53.820This is a monstrously complicated moment in history.
00:27:58.500It's got good guys, bad guys, and some guys that we're still trying to just figure out what they were all about in 2020 and what they're doing now.
00:28:07.540Now, Harry, come back and let's talk more about this because obviously we've got a full wagon here to unload.
00:28:17.300I'll be happy to help you unwind any of it you'd like to focus on.