The Great America Show - May 11, 2024


The Great America Saturday Show： May 11th, 2024


Episode Stats

Length

29 minutes

Words per Minute

145.89604

Word Count

4,314

Sentence Count

245

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

Russ Tice, former senior intelligence analyst for the National Security Agency and whistleblower, joins the Great America Show to discuss the President's motion to dismiss the classified documents case brought against him by former FBI Director James Comey and former Vice President Joe Biden.


Transcript

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00:00:33.700 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:37.220 Always great to have you with us.
00:00:38.840 President Trump has filed an unsealed motion to dismiss special counsel Jack Smith's classified documents case.
00:00:48.280 The president's motion was originally filed under seal in February.
00:00:52.620 Judge Cannon authorized President Trump this week to file an unsealed version of that motion to dismiss.
00:01:01.440 In this unsealed motion, President Trump highlights how others such as James Comey,
00:01:08.120 Joe Biden, Mike Pence, Bill and Hillary Clinton, all illegally possess classified documents,
00:01:16.120 but they were never, they were never prosecuted.
00:01:19.940 Trump's attorneys argued that Joe Biden stored boxes of classified documents in his garage, for crying out loud.
00:01:28.120 At Penn Biden Center and in Chinatown as well.
00:01:31.680 Three, three different locations.
00:01:34.240 And all remained accessible to people without any security clearances.
00:01:39.840 Biden was never charged for stealing secret documents
00:01:43.420 and storing them in boxes in his garage accessible to his compromised son.
00:01:49.460 Judge Cannon previously denied Trump's motion to dismiss the classified documents case
00:01:54.900 on unconstitutional vagueness of the Espionage Act.
00:01:59.980 However, this third effort is now pending.
00:02:04.100 And over in New York, it seems Marxist New York DA Alvin Bragg's case is starting to collapse.
00:02:10.300 Stormy Daniels' attorney, Keith Davidson, took the stand and denied, absolutely denied,
00:02:17.460 the $130,000 payment from Michael Cohen to his client was a hush payment.
00:02:23.140 The payments made to Stormy Daniels did not come from Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
00:02:30.540 The payments were made through internal business records.
00:02:33.100 There was no tax deduction taken, and there was no obligation to file it with the SEC or the FEC.
00:02:41.460 So the case, who brought the case in the first place, and why?
00:02:45.740 We know why.
00:02:47.020 Our guest today is Russ Tice, former senior intelligence analyst for the National Security Agency
00:02:53.000 and former whistleblower and great American.
00:02:56.400 Russ, always great to see you.
00:02:57.880 I want to begin today with these reports from James O'Keefe in particular and the insider, if you will,
00:03:08.540 a contractor he found who is saying quite, it seems to me at least, credibly,
00:03:14.500 that the intelligence agencies, specifically the CIA, withheld intelligence from President Trump
00:03:22.820 and apparently at the behest of then CIA Director Mike Pompeo, later to be Secretary of State.
00:03:31.680 Your reaction to this, and first, let's begin with, do you think it's plausible?
00:03:36.180 I think it is plausible, although the guy might be going a little bit over his position that he had
00:03:44.060 as far as what he did know.
00:03:45.240 But being that he was supposedly in cybersecurity, he may have had access to the director,
00:03:52.560 deputy directors in some of the top brass, their communications,
00:03:55.780 to determine whether there were situations where they could be hacked.
00:04:01.640 Yeah, I want to start, as we go up the, if you will, the chain,
00:04:06.020 to go from the intelligence that's being gathered, then collected around a specific briefing for the
00:04:17.260 President of the United States, and then withholding it.
00:04:20.900 There would have to be a lot of people within the CIA who were aware that they were withholding
00:04:27.800 information from the President of the United States.
00:04:31.020 Would there not be?
00:04:31.680 Not necessarily.
00:04:34.200 The President's briefing that he gets every morning is a conglomeration of a lot of intelligence.
00:04:41.920 I remember one time I was so happy that a program that I was working on was going to be briefed
00:04:46.940 to President Clinton at the time.
00:04:49.900 And I had like, I don't know, 20 pages of write-up, and they said,
00:04:53.060 well, you've got to break that down to three, and then they said,
00:04:54.980 you've got to break it down to one.
00:04:56.160 And I was younger at the time, so I'm pretty excited because I'm the lead guy.
00:05:02.240 And then they showed me what President Clinton got, and it was like three sentences.
00:05:07.000 So I was like, I was sad and disappointed.
00:05:11.180 But you've got to understand, the President is getting intelligence from everywhere.
00:05:16.520 He's dealing with, of course, the economy and everything else.
00:05:19.280 Sure, he's got a lot on his plate.
00:05:21.440 I understand that.
00:05:22.800 But to actually withhold intelligence from the President,
00:05:27.420 it just seemed to me that there are so many people involved in that.
00:05:31.700 Where would that decision about what to withhold, where would that originate?
00:05:38.580 Well, that would be the upper ranks.
00:05:40.460 You go through a vetting process.
00:05:42.620 The analysts, say, go through the material.
00:05:45.360 You come up with a question that was asked.
00:05:48.640 You come up with what your best answer is to that question.
00:05:51.480 And then you send that up the line.
00:05:53.120 At some point, your boss looks at it and says,
00:05:55.480 okay, you might want to change this and that.
00:05:57.240 A lot of that is wording.
00:05:59.580 At some point, someone who's an editor and a little bit better with the English language
00:06:05.200 puts the commas and some of the other pieces in place where they belong.
00:06:09.580 But then that goes up to an assistant to the deputy director.
00:06:15.600 And that person looks it over.
00:06:17.440 And then the deputy director looks at it and could very easily say,
00:06:20.360 we're nixing this whole part of this report or this action plan for, say,
00:06:25.320 we're doing some operations somewhere in the world.
00:06:27.620 Or we're going to nix the entire thing whatsoever.
00:06:31.680 And we don't want this to go into the President's briefing.
00:06:35.940 But, of course, it's going to happen at the upper echelon.
00:06:39.000 The upper echelons.
00:06:41.360 And what I'm getting at here is, at what point does the obfuscation
00:06:46.520 or simply the removal of intelligence from the President's either view or hearing,
00:06:54.800 where does that actually originate in terms of saying,
00:07:00.300 okay, we're not going to tell the President about what is going on in Russia
00:07:03.840 or the Middle East or wherever it might be,
00:07:06.680 because it just seems to me it almost has to be the director who approves something like that.
00:07:14.600 Your thoughts on it?
00:07:16.760 I can imagine the director, especially if now they are politically oriented,
00:07:21.800 to tell his senior staff that we're not going to deal with a certain issue or a mission that's happening.
00:07:31.600 Or this fellow who's this whistleblower said that they believed,
00:07:36.260 they used some insinuity words for the President,
00:07:40.120 that he was not of an educated manner to be able to handle the information that they were dealing,
00:07:49.280 and that he would just spew it off to our enemies.
00:07:51.220 First of all, I don't believe that of Mr. Trump, our President, our former President.
00:07:56.560 And second, these people, this is the President of the United States.
00:08:01.220 You work for this man.
00:08:03.780 So this is elitism, and it's probably a political posturing for somebody else,
00:08:12.820 because you don't like the man that's sitting in the White House.
00:08:15.420 This seems like elitism of a rarefied sort, and outright arrogance,
00:08:22.720 and because if anyone ever finds out precisely what happened here,
00:08:27.500 extraordinarily tragic hubris on their part, because they will be held accountable for this.
00:08:33.840 But Pompeo right now is the central figure of this,
00:08:38.700 and he's accused, straightforwardly, of aiding and abetting,
00:08:43.620 if not, in fact, originating, the withholding of intelligence from the Commander-in-Chief
00:08:48.980 and the President of the United States.
00:08:51.900 Your thoughts on that?
00:08:54.500 Well, it would be Haskell as well.
00:08:56.220 It would be Nakasone at NSA.
00:08:58.900 So I don't know about whether the DIA director was also holding back,
00:09:03.680 but more than likely, because all of them would periodically talk with one another,
00:09:09.120 that this had to be like a small cabal at the very top of the intelligence community,
00:09:14.920 where they said, we're cutting this guy out, our president,
00:09:18.200 and we'll just wait him out until the next president shows up,
00:09:23.480 and maybe we won't tell that one either.
00:09:25.800 I think whatever they tell our current president, he wouldn't remember beyond lunchtime.
00:09:30.280 Yeah, this is in the intelligence service, this man would be considered a cutout,
00:09:38.840 and he's been cut out of just everything.
00:09:41.960 I mean, to even talk about Biden as the President of the United States,
00:09:46.100 first of all, he's an accident of history,
00:09:51.220 and history perverted by the Marxist Dems and Bill Barr
00:09:55.240 and a host of other people who conspired to stifle conservative voices.
00:10:05.140 Or otherwise, those 51 intelligence veterans who signed up and said,
00:10:10.400 you know what, that Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.
00:10:14.380 They lied through the teeth to the American people.
00:10:17.020 They changed the course of history.
00:10:18.660 And that's why it's so easy for me, at least,
00:10:22.340 to believe that Mike Pompeo and his henchmen,
00:10:25.940 while he was the head of the CIA,
00:10:28.060 did precisely what they're accused of doing,
00:10:30.720 which is withholding that intelligence.
00:10:33.240 We're talking with Russ Tice.
00:10:35.060 He is a former senior intelligence agent analyst
00:10:38.760 for the National Security Agency.
00:10:41.260 He is also a whistleblower.
00:10:43.600 And as I said at the outset, a great American.
00:10:46.460 We're coming right back with Russ.
00:10:47.900 Russ, stay with us.
00:10:48.920 We're going to figure out what's going on
00:10:51.200 throughout the intelligence community
00:10:53.900 as we continue our conversation with Russ.
00:10:56.460 Stay with us.
00:10:57.020 We'll be right back.
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00:12:35.460 We're talking with Russ Tice now,
00:12:37.220 and I want to say this has developed.
00:12:40.300 Representative Matt Gaetz calling for an investigation
00:12:43.020 into the bombshell O'Keefe reporting
00:12:46.680 on these, well, statements that
00:12:50.240 intelligence agencies, not agency,
00:12:54.060 coordinated to hide information
00:12:55.520 from the Trump White House.
00:12:58.100 This is remarkable stuff.
00:13:01.160 Matt Gaetz is calling for a complete investigation
00:13:04.120 and a thorough one.
00:13:05.620 I can't even imagine how you could even begin
00:13:09.020 to think we could get a thorough investigation
00:13:11.000 of the CIA or these other agencies.
00:13:14.580 It just defies imagination.
00:13:16.840 Your thoughts?
00:13:19.000 Ultimately, you're going to have to sack
00:13:20.420 the senior leadership of all of these agencies,
00:13:24.100 and you're going to have to put people in there
00:13:25.500 that you can trust to, first of all,
00:13:27.720 dig up what has happened and what's going on,
00:13:30.340 and then hold the people that have done this responsible
00:13:32.620 and make sure the president knows exactly what's going on,
00:13:35.620 how it happened, and how to proceed into the future
00:13:38.120 with people he can trust.
00:13:40.240 Well, and that really isn't a solution
00:13:42.860 because then it's next man up,
00:13:44.980 and the next man up is every bit as corrupt
00:13:47.080 because he is an appointee
00:13:49.920 and a beneficiary of the previous leadership.
00:13:53.620 So on and on the cycle goes.
00:13:57.980 There's got to be a way to get to this point.
00:14:01.420 I look back over the course of intelligence
00:14:04.000 in this country, Russ,
00:14:05.360 and I know you have certainly throughout your career
00:14:08.260 and your life.
00:14:10.500 There's no good beginning point to say
00:14:13.300 what happened to the integrity
00:14:15.520 of our intelligence agencies
00:14:17.020 because if you reach all the way back to the 19,
00:14:20.160 well, you can start with Truman
00:14:21.800 and the creation of the CIA,
00:14:24.380 go through the 1950s
00:14:26.800 where the CIA is responsible for,
00:14:30.100 and I happen to believe the reporting exactly.
00:14:34.560 I mean, the influence of the CIA
00:14:36.520 on the Gary Powers U-2 incident
00:14:38.720 is clearly recorded within the CIA itself
00:14:42.840 as well as the State Department
00:14:44.360 and what the pressure they brought to bear
00:14:46.740 on a recalcitrant president
00:14:48.480 who didn't want to fly spy planes
00:14:51.660 over the Soviet Union.
00:14:53.720 He did, and he did after thorough convincing
00:14:58.620 and lies from the intelligence community
00:15:01.320 about what Gary Powers at 70,000 feet
00:15:04.440 would be looking at
00:15:05.460 in the way of his own danger to his own life
00:15:10.260 and the aircraft he was flying.
00:15:12.660 So, I mean, from there you go on to Vietnam,
00:15:15.440 which was started under President Eisenhower,
00:15:19.100 he is the one who sent the first advisors.
00:15:22.860 John F. Kennedy sent more advisors
00:15:25.140 and lied to the American people throughout
00:15:27.120 about what he was doing.
00:15:28.640 And then we had the Pentagon Papers
00:15:31.040 about all of the lies
00:15:32.960 of the intelligence agencies,
00:15:34.820 all of the military-industrial complex,
00:15:37.880 and, of course, the president's
00:15:39.780 from Johnson forward to Nixon.
00:15:45.320 It's an outrage.
00:15:46.560 So, I mean, almost nothing
00:15:48.560 is beyond credulity
00:15:52.060 in assessing what the intelligence agencies have done,
00:15:57.140 particularly as we've seen what they did
00:15:58.880 with President Donald Trump
00:16:00.760 and are still doing.
00:16:01.840 Well, a lot of the problem is
00:16:05.020 that when you put someone
00:16:06.780 in charge of the intelligence agency
00:16:08.640 that's an ambassador
00:16:09.660 from somewhere or another
00:16:11.460 and has a background in,
00:16:13.100 I don't know,
00:16:14.700 either politics or domestic politics
00:16:17.100 or something generic like that
00:16:21.600 from the State Department,
00:16:24.480 and then the person,
00:16:26.580 another person is from,
00:16:28.300 say, the chairman
00:16:29.060 from either the hipsy or the sissy,
00:16:30.940 the intel committees on the House,
00:16:33.780 where were their former lawyers?
00:16:35.280 And, you know, when they were,
00:16:36.080 I always think of it this way.
00:16:37.760 What was this person doing
00:16:38.920 when they were 27 years old?
00:16:41.040 Were they, you know,
00:16:42.660 defending someone
00:16:44.440 because, you know,
00:16:45.720 they crashed a car and hurt someone?
00:16:47.820 Or were they spinning tapes
00:16:49.760 at some remote place,
00:16:51.020 you know, doing the spy work
00:16:53.020 that has to be done?
00:16:54.320 In other words.
00:16:55.480 Am I understanding you correctly, Russ,
00:16:57.020 that you're saying
00:16:57.560 that you just can't trust
00:16:58.660 the outsiders in the intel community?
00:17:00.940 Because it's what you sound like.
00:17:02.860 You sound like you're describing
00:17:03.800 John Ratcliffe
00:17:04.800 as the national director
00:17:07.540 of intelligence.
00:17:08.160 It sounds like you're talking
00:17:09.340 about Mike Pompeo,
00:17:11.500 who was brought in
00:17:13.060 because he was, you know,
00:17:14.900 a very eager politician
00:17:16.560 with very, very high ambitions
00:17:19.940 for himself.
00:17:21.560 But we go through the annals
00:17:23.340 of the intelligence community
00:17:24.680 and the professionals
00:17:27.200 that whether it's Richard Helms,
00:17:29.940 whether it's, you know,
00:17:31.700 John Allen Dulles,
00:17:35.540 you go through all of these people.
00:17:38.540 And, you know,
00:17:39.680 it's it seems to me
00:17:41.520 that you have plenty of people
00:17:43.240 to choose from,
00:17:44.100 that there is something rotten
00:17:45.720 in the system itself.
00:17:47.720 And I don't understand
00:17:49.040 why people
00:17:49.640 we've just watched
00:17:51.060 the Congress
00:17:51.620 of the United States
00:17:52.440 give the FBI
00:17:53.920 two hundred million dollars
00:17:55.660 for a new building.
00:17:56.800 It'll be the biggest building
00:17:57.900 in D.C.
00:17:59.140 in the federal,
00:18:00.660 bigger than the Pentagon.
00:18:02.560 And that's their reward
00:18:04.000 for spying on a president,
00:18:05.680 spying on both
00:18:06.440 intelligence committees.
00:18:08.560 That's their reward
00:18:09.980 for going after
00:18:11.500 the parents of children
00:18:14.140 who yelled
00:18:15.680 in a school board meeting.
00:18:17.640 This is the reward
00:18:19.900 for Christopher Wray
00:18:22.740 for saying
00:18:23.540 the greatest threat
00:18:25.000 to the country
00:18:25.760 are those doggone
00:18:27.420 right wing conservatives,
00:18:29.540 those mega folks.
00:18:31.080 I mean,
00:18:31.560 this is preposterous.
00:18:32.840 We're looking at
00:18:33.700 a lurid,
00:18:36.360 perverse
00:18:36.940 intelligence community
00:18:38.780 that is corrupt.
00:18:41.260 It looks to me
00:18:42.100 to the bone.
00:18:43.080 I can't.
00:18:43.520 Can you name
00:18:43.940 the last success
00:18:44.840 of our intelligence agencies?
00:18:47.000 Let's start with Ukraine.
00:18:48.460 Was that a success
00:18:49.160 for our intelligence agencies?
00:18:51.600 Well, let's look back.
00:18:53.060 We,
00:18:53.960 the CIA
00:18:54.660 fostered
00:18:55.840 a rebellion
00:18:56.820 and they threw out
00:18:57.900 the
00:18:59.700 democratically
00:19:01.660 elected president
00:19:02.940 of Ukraine.
00:19:04.700 So,
00:19:05.640 and that has caused
00:19:07.180 the nightmare
00:19:07.680 that we see now
00:19:08.520 over there.
00:19:09.760 In other words,
00:19:10.360 we did this.
00:19:11.640 So,
00:19:12.460 of course,
00:19:13.520 that's a failure.
00:19:14.860 Afghanistan,
00:19:15.380 but how long
00:19:17.000 went with 20 years
00:19:17.800 we were there
00:19:18.320 and what's this?
00:19:19.400 I've always said,
00:19:20.220 no matter whether
00:19:20.820 we leave,
00:19:21.780 15 years ago,
00:19:22.940 I said,
00:19:23.300 if we leave today,
00:19:24.140 tomorrow,
00:19:24.560 next week,
00:19:25.080 next month,
00:19:25.540 next year,
00:19:26.000 five years,
00:19:26.440 10 years,
00:19:26.820 20 years,
00:19:27.320 200 years,
00:19:28.100 200 years,
00:19:28.520 it will go right back
00:19:29.800 to the way it was
00:19:30.540 the warlords
00:19:31.140 in the mountains
00:19:31.720 and the extremists
00:19:34.440 in the valleys.
00:19:35.060 And then we have
00:19:37.800 these intel people
00:19:39.500 and these generals
00:19:40.320 that are lying
00:19:40.860 through their teeth
00:19:41.480 saying,
00:19:42.160 oh,
00:19:42.380 yes,
00:19:42.720 we're training
00:19:43.320 the Afghan army
00:19:45.000 and they're going
00:19:45.520 to be fit
00:19:46.440 to handle
00:19:47.000 and defend.
00:19:48.000 And of course,
00:19:48.880 it's blowing smoke
00:19:51.040 up people's nether regions
00:19:53.100 and the problem
00:19:54.680 is like,
00:19:55.780 yes,
00:19:56.200 yes,
00:19:56.460 I am referring
00:19:57.140 to the folks
00:19:57.780 that you mentioned,
00:19:59.420 that these are neophytes
00:20:00.820 that have no knowledge
00:20:02.380 and if you give me
00:20:03.720 a neophyte
00:20:04.500 and I need to pull
00:20:05.500 the wool over their eyes,
00:20:06.660 it's real easy
00:20:07.540 for me to walk up
00:20:08.420 and take the lollipop
00:20:09.680 from the baby
00:20:10.380 and entertain them
00:20:13.680 some other way
00:20:14.340 to keep them from crying
00:20:15.300 with a jester
00:20:16.420 jumping up and down.
00:20:18.220 We're talking
00:20:18.620 with Russ Tice
00:20:19.480 and we're going
00:20:20.680 to kind of hone in
00:20:21.880 on what chance
00:20:23.420 does America have
00:20:24.580 if its intelligence agencies
00:20:26.160 are working for
00:20:28.260 well,
00:20:29.620 unknown,
00:20:30.640 unidentifiable
00:20:31.560 patrons
00:20:32.840 and causes
00:20:34.520 and instead
00:20:37.100 of the United States
00:20:38.480 of America.
00:20:39.340 We'll be right back.
00:20:40.380 Stay with us.
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00:21:15.300 with Russ Tice
00:21:16.080 and Russ,
00:21:16.580 I just have
00:21:17.460 to turn here
00:21:18.100 to I am
00:21:19.780 so dismayed
00:21:20.800 at the level
00:21:21.840 of conscience
00:21:23.880 and the sense
00:21:26.320 of duty
00:21:26.880 on the part
00:21:27.440 of the United States
00:21:28.180 Congress
00:21:28.600 right now.
00:21:29.280 I'm talking about
00:21:30.000 both political parties
00:21:31.040 frankly.
00:21:31.940 A Speaker of the House
00:21:32.960 who does not want
00:21:33.740 to hold accountable
00:21:34.540 the intelligence agencies
00:21:36.320 doesn't want
00:21:36.940 to hold accountable
00:21:37.780 those who have
00:21:39.160 violated our laws
00:21:40.640 have spied on presidents,
00:21:42.700 his own intelligence committees.
00:21:45.000 I mean,
00:21:45.720 we are adrift right now
00:21:48.100 in a morass
00:21:49.240 of corruption,
00:21:50.240 political corruption,
00:21:51.120 and certainly
00:21:52.220 economic,
00:21:53.760 financial corruption
00:21:54.680 as well.
00:21:55.760 Because the more wars
00:21:57.200 we get,
00:21:58.080 the more money
00:21:59.240 the military-industrial
00:22:00.980 complex makes.
00:22:02.480 And the safer
00:22:03.500 the jobs are
00:22:04.440 of those
00:22:04.960 and intel
00:22:05.840 because they get
00:22:07.420 to be spying
00:22:08.500 and bringing forth
00:22:09.820 offerings
00:22:10.900 to the President
00:22:11.900 of the United States
00:22:12.620 each day
00:22:13.600 in the way
00:22:14.820 of something
00:22:15.160 called intelligence
00:22:16.100 that didn't recognize
00:22:17.520 apparently
00:22:18.160 200,000 Russian troops
00:22:20.340 around the border
00:22:21.500 of Ukraine
00:22:22.200 and the clear intent
00:22:24.400 of Vladimir Putin
00:22:25.600 to invade.
00:22:27.780 Didn't recognize
00:22:29.520 anything that was
00:22:30.220 going on
00:22:30.700 in Africa.
00:22:32.060 Didn't understand
00:22:33.440 what was going on
00:22:35.260 in the conflict
00:22:37.040 of tribes
00:22:38.360 within various,
00:22:39.460 particularly
00:22:40.020 northern Africa.
00:22:41.600 I mean,
00:22:42.720 you go through this
00:22:43.420 and you look at
00:22:43.920 what China is doing
00:22:45.560 and it's a surprise
00:22:46.920 to American policymakers
00:22:48.500 because it's a surprise
00:22:50.060 to our intel agencies.
00:22:52.320 And there's not
00:22:53.400 even a word
00:22:54.500 uttered
00:22:55.880 as far as I know
00:22:56.860 by these
00:22:57.940 intelligence agencies
00:22:59.060 about the absolute
00:23:00.380 assault
00:23:01.520 on the U.S. dollar.
00:23:03.240 There's not a word
00:23:04.600 mentioned
00:23:05.120 about economic stability
00:23:06.660 and its importance
00:23:07.560 to national security
00:23:08.720 and what in the world
00:23:10.020 are you fools doing
00:23:11.240 in all of those committees,
00:23:13.060 whether it's armed services,
00:23:14.340 whether it's appropriations,
00:23:15.680 whatever it may be,
00:23:17.340 because you are
00:23:18.280 spending us
00:23:19.060 right into
00:23:19.740 a fiscal disaster
00:23:22.940 of immense proportions.
00:23:24.680 I mean,
00:23:25.140 that's where we are.
00:23:26.760 There's no judgment
00:23:28.020 in the end
00:23:28.640 that I can see
00:23:29.660 in the intel community
00:23:31.740 whatsoever.
00:23:32.480 I can't pick out
00:23:33.300 the agency.
00:23:34.720 I guess if I had to pick
00:23:35.640 one agency
00:23:36.320 that's probably doing
00:23:37.140 pretty well,
00:23:37.720 it's the big old
00:23:38.840 spy agency,
00:23:39.860 your former agency,
00:23:40.700 NSA.
00:23:42.960 Well,
00:23:43.040 one thing about NSA
00:23:43.820 is their job
00:23:44.620 is to look at
00:23:45.120 signals intelligence.
00:23:46.220 So you get to hear
00:23:47.480 what your potential
00:23:48.780 enemy is saying.
00:23:49.700 Now,
00:23:49.940 if that link
00:23:51.560 is compromised,
00:23:52.160 they may be saying
00:23:53.120 something over the air
00:23:54.580 to throw you off,
00:23:56.120 which is part
00:23:56.860 of that puzzle
00:23:57.360 I told you
00:23:57.920 where they throw
00:23:58.460 in those puzzle pieces
00:23:59.920 to throw you off
00:24:00.560 the trail.
00:24:01.800 But it's
00:24:02.880 not everyone
00:24:04.600 in the intel.
00:24:05.920 During the
00:24:06.880 the situation
00:24:08.580 with...
00:24:09.140 I want to be
00:24:10.140 clear about this,
00:24:11.000 Russ.
00:24:11.220 I'm not talking
00:24:11.920 about the individuals.
00:24:13.140 I'm really not.
00:24:14.600 Because many,
00:24:15.620 as you are about
00:24:16.540 to say,
00:24:17.080 are great Americans.
00:24:19.040 But what I am
00:24:19.820 talking about
00:24:20.380 are the corruption
00:24:21.380 of those institutions.
00:24:23.360 And certainly
00:24:23.940 their leadership.
00:24:24.880 Because they are
00:24:25.800 accountable for,
00:24:27.940 should be accountable
00:24:29.560 for their
00:24:30.780 transgressions
00:24:31.740 against,
00:24:32.220 you know,
00:24:33.520 the constitution
00:24:34.700 which they're
00:24:35.400 supposed to be
00:24:36.020 serving,
00:24:36.480 and the nation
00:24:37.520 they're supposed
00:24:38.040 to be serving.
00:24:39.680 Well,
00:24:40.160 for instance,
00:24:40.580 Ben Laden,
00:24:41.120 when we had him
00:24:42.000 pinned down
00:24:43.380 at the mountain
00:24:45.020 Tora Bora,
00:24:46.180 everyone in
00:24:47.220 the intel community
00:24:48.500 was screaming
00:24:49.280 at the president
00:24:49.960 to call in
00:24:50.700 the 101st
00:24:51.680 or the 82nd Airborne
00:24:52.520 to shore up
00:24:53.100 the backside
00:24:53.580 of that mountain
00:24:54.080 because we knew
00:24:54.520 it was porous.
00:24:55.500 And we can go in
00:24:56.500 and kill every
00:24:57.360 living thing
00:24:58.060 in that mountain
00:24:58.700 and we could have
00:24:59.480 been in and out.
00:25:00.920 And for a period
00:25:01.980 of time,
00:25:02.380 I'm like,
00:25:02.780 why?
00:25:03.520 We begged the president,
00:25:04.960 begged him,
00:25:05.580 please do this,
00:25:06.660 we'll be done.
00:25:07.780 And then I realized
00:25:09.020 this is because
00:25:10.260 they want a protracted
00:25:12.300 war so they can
00:25:13.880 spend billions
00:25:14.620 of dollars
00:25:15.220 and make a whole
00:25:16.440 lot of defense folks
00:25:17.440 and everybody else
00:25:18.420 getting paid off
00:25:18.940 a lot of money.
00:25:20.020 It's also because
00:25:20.740 the president you're
00:25:21.500 talking of wanted
00:25:22.260 the fundamental
00:25:22.940 transformation of
00:25:23.980 America.
00:25:25.060 He had a number
00:25:26.060 of agendas
00:25:26.560 working at the same
00:25:27.580 time, right?
00:25:29.580 Apparently so.
00:25:30.440 At my level,
00:25:32.860 you know,
00:25:32.980 I don't get to
00:25:33.480 see that.
00:25:34.660 But then,
00:25:35.940 all right,
00:25:36.120 so when we go
00:25:36.720 into Iran,
00:25:37.980 I mean,
00:25:38.300 not Iran,
00:25:39.040 Iraq,
00:25:40.000 then supposedly
00:25:41.240 we have everything
00:25:41.880 calmed down
00:25:42.440 basically because
00:25:43.780 we bought off
00:25:44.960 Muqtada al-Sadr
00:25:45.960 by paying him
00:25:47.100 cash every month.
00:25:48.260 So we're paying
00:25:48.820 him off for
00:25:49.860 this supposed
00:25:51.220 piece and
00:25:51.940 everything we're
00:25:53.360 doing is working.
00:25:54.880 And once those
00:25:55.680 payments stop,
00:25:56.540 it all goes
00:25:57.240 right back down
00:25:58.260 the drain again.
00:25:59.000 But the great
00:25:59.880 thing is that
00:26:00.880 everybody burned
00:26:02.480 all of the
00:26:02.980 poppy fields so
00:26:03.840 the warlords
00:26:04.820 were completely
00:26:05.540 without cash.
00:26:07.080 You know,
00:26:07.240 it's one of the
00:26:07.720 great questions
00:26:08.380 and there's only
00:26:09.520 one answer.
00:26:10.860 It was utter
00:26:11.560 corruption that
00:26:12.980 the United States
00:26:13.940 military and
00:26:14.780 and intel services
00:26:15.900 did not destroy
00:26:16.780 every poppy field
00:26:18.980 in Afghanistan
00:26:20.780 and deprive them
00:26:23.240 of that capital
00:26:24.300 and actually
00:26:25.740 carry out a war.
00:26:26.720 Now, I have to
00:26:27.760 give the CIA
00:26:28.540 and the U.S.
00:26:30.440 military great
00:26:31.220 credit because
00:26:32.340 within one year
00:26:33.280 of entering,
00:26:33.980 which was they
00:26:34.760 entered in
00:26:35.420 October of
00:26:37.280 20,
00:26:39.380 let me go back
00:26:41.260 to 2001,
00:26:42.700 they entered
00:26:43.180 in that
00:26:44.540 October period,
00:26:47.360 they within
00:26:48.240 eight months
00:26:50.080 had effective
00:26:51.040 control of
00:26:51.740 Afghanistan.
00:26:52.580 They, the CIA,
00:26:53.560 their paramilitary
00:26:54.900 military and U.S.
00:26:56.580 special forces.
00:26:57.820 I mean, people,
00:26:58.680 it's a matter
00:26:59.240 of history.
00:27:00.380 It's what we did
00:27:01.180 after that that
00:27:02.360 is monstrously
00:27:03.240 stupid.
00:27:04.980 That was only
00:27:05.420 with the support
00:27:06.140 of the warlords
00:27:07.000 that we were able
00:27:07.940 to do that.
00:27:08.860 And where did
00:27:09.200 the warlords
00:27:09.760 get met?
00:27:11.080 Much of their
00:27:11.520 proceeds were
00:27:13.960 from the
00:27:14.520 production of
00:27:15.240 poppies.
00:27:16.240 So not only
00:27:17.620 did we not
00:27:18.020 burn the poppy
00:27:18.780 fields,
00:27:19.080 we had U.S.
00:27:19.780 soldiers protecting
00:27:21.040 the poppy fields
00:27:22.640 because we're
00:27:23.840 trying to win
00:27:24.400 the hearts
00:27:24.820 and minds
00:27:25.460 of the locals
00:27:26.140 and the locals
00:27:26.820 are the farmers
00:27:27.480 growing the
00:27:28.400 poppies and
00:27:29.700 that was their
00:27:30.820 main source
00:27:31.340 of income.
00:27:32.060 The State
00:27:32.640 Department sends
00:27:33.300 a message over
00:27:34.080 while we're
00:27:34.720 over there
00:27:35.120 that says,
00:27:35.920 hey, tell the
00:27:36.560 farmers to
00:27:37.260 grow asparagus
00:27:38.240 because apparently
00:27:39.600 that helped
00:27:40.520 a little,
00:27:41.280 yeah.
00:27:42.180 In Central
00:27:44.060 or South
00:27:45.080 America,
00:27:45.840 they did this
00:27:46.820 to try to get
00:27:47.400 farmers not to
00:27:48.080 grow cocaine
00:27:48.900 or coca plants
00:27:50.420 and asparagus
00:27:51.620 is a high-yield
00:27:52.960 vegetable that
00:27:53.680 people like to
00:27:54.100 buy.
00:27:54.620 But if you've
00:27:55.120 ever looked at
00:27:55.660 the land,
00:27:56.660 the turf
00:27:57.580 in Afghanistan,
00:27:59.760 it is the
00:28:00.340 soil,
00:28:00.880 the only thing
00:28:01.660 you could grow
00:28:02.240 is poppies.
00:28:02.780 You couldn't
00:28:03.080 grow anything.
00:28:04.140 I'm happy to
00:28:05.020 say I've only
00:28:05.600 seen pictures
00:28:06.220 of the terrain.
00:28:07.620 Russ, we
00:28:08.320 thank you so
00:28:08.980 much for being
00:28:09.500 with us.
00:28:10.540 This story is
00:28:11.420 going to be
00:28:11.920 around for
00:28:12.480 quite some
00:28:13.020 time and I
00:28:14.400 think it
00:28:14.740 really is,
00:28:16.020 I hope it
00:28:16.760 could,
00:28:17.200 it certainly
00:28:17.760 could be.
00:28:18.900 Pivotal
00:28:19.500 in bringing
00:28:21.380 some understanding
00:28:22.240 to the American
00:28:22.900 people about
00:28:23.640 exactly what
00:28:25.460 their intelligence
00:28:26.060 agencies are
00:28:26.960 about,
00:28:27.320 how politicized
00:28:28.160 they are,
00:28:29.100 and how
00:28:29.680 weaponized our
00:28:30.740 federal government
00:28:31.440 is against the
00:28:32.240 American people.
00:28:33.640 Russ Tice,
00:28:34.740 Great American.
00:28:35.760 Thanks for being
00:28:36.280 with us.
00:28:36.700 God bless you.
00:28:38.120 Thanks everybody
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