The Great America Show - May 11, 2024


The Great America Saturday Show： May 11th, 2024


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29 minutes

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145.89604

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4,314

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245

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

6


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00:00:33.700 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:37.220 Always great to have you with us.
00:00:38.840 President Trump has filed an unsealed motion to dismiss special counsel Jack Smith's classified documents case.
00:00:48.280 The president's motion was originally filed under seal in February.
00:00:52.620 Judge Cannon authorized President Trump this week to file an unsealed version of that motion to dismiss.
00:01:01.440 In this unsealed motion, President Trump highlights how others such as James Comey,
00:01:08.120 Joe Biden, Mike Pence, Bill and Hillary Clinton, all illegally possess classified documents,
00:01:16.120 but they were never, they were never prosecuted.
00:01:19.940 Trump's attorneys argued that Joe Biden stored boxes of classified documents in his garage, for crying out loud.
00:01:28.120 At Penn Biden Center and in Chinatown as well.
00:01:31.680 Three, three different locations.
00:01:34.240 And all remained accessible to people without any security clearances.
00:01:39.840 Biden was never charged for stealing secret documents
00:01:43.420 and storing them in boxes in his garage accessible to his compromised son.
00:01:49.460 Judge Cannon previously denied Trump's motion to dismiss the classified documents case
00:01:54.900 on unconstitutional vagueness of the Espionage Act.
00:01:59.980 However, this third effort is now pending.
00:02:04.100 And over in New York, it seems Marxist New York DA Alvin Bragg's case is starting to collapse.
00:02:10.300 Stormy Daniels' attorney, Keith Davidson, took the stand and denied, absolutely denied,
00:02:17.460 the $130,000 payment from Michael Cohen to his client was a hush payment.
00:02:23.140 The payments made to Stormy Daniels did not come from Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
00:02:30.540 The payments were made through internal business records.
00:02:33.100 There was no tax deduction taken, and there was no obligation to file it with the SEC or the FEC.
00:02:41.460 So the case, who brought the case in the first place, and why?
00:02:45.740 We know why.
00:02:47.020 Our guest today is Russ Tice, former senior intelligence analyst for the National Security Agency
00:02:53.000 and former whistleblower and great American.
00:02:56.400 Russ, always great to see you.
00:02:57.880 I want to begin today with these reports from James O'Keefe in particular and the insider, if you will,
00:03:08.540 a contractor he found who is saying quite, it seems to me at least, credibly,
00:03:14.500 that the intelligence agencies, specifically the CIA, withheld intelligence from President Trump
00:03:22.820 and apparently at the behest of then CIA Director Mike Pompeo, later to be Secretary of State.
00:03:31.680 Your reaction to this, and first, let's begin with, do you think it's plausible?
00:03:36.180 I think it is plausible, although the guy might be going a little bit over his position that he had
00:03:44.060 as far as what he did know.
00:03:45.240 But being that he was supposedly in cybersecurity, he may have had access to the director,
00:03:52.560 deputy directors in some of the top brass, their communications,
00:03:55.780 to determine whether there were situations where they could be hacked.
00:04:01.640 Yeah, I want to start, as we go up the, if you will, the chain,
00:04:06.020 to go from the intelligence that's being gathered, then collected around a specific briefing for the
00:04:17.260 President of the United States, and then withholding it.
00:04:20.900 There would have to be a lot of people within the CIA who were aware that they were withholding
00:04:27.800 information from the President of the United States.
00:04:31.020 Would there not be?
00:04:31.680 Not necessarily.
00:04:34.200 The President's briefing that he gets every morning is a conglomeration of a lot of intelligence.
00:04:41.920 I remember one time I was so happy that a program that I was working on was going to be briefed
00:04:46.940 to President Clinton at the time.
00:04:49.900 And I had like, I don't know, 20 pages of write-up, and they said,
00:04:53.060 well, you've got to break that down to three, and then they said,
00:04:54.980 you've got to break it down to one.
00:04:56.160 And I was younger at the time, so I'm pretty excited because I'm the lead guy.
00:05:02.240 And then they showed me what President Clinton got, and it was like three sentences.
00:05:07.000 So I was like, I was sad and disappointed.
00:05:11.180 But you've got to understand, the President is getting intelligence from everywhere.
00:05:16.520 He's dealing with, of course, the economy and everything else.
00:05:19.280 Sure, he's got a lot on his plate.
00:05:21.440 I understand that.
00:05:22.800 But to actually withhold intelligence from the President,
00:05:27.420 it just seemed to me that there are so many people involved in that.
00:05:31.700 Where would that decision about what to withhold, where would that originate?
00:05:38.580 Well, that would be the upper ranks.
00:05:40.460 You go through a vetting process.
00:05:42.620 The analysts, say, go through the material.
00:05:45.360 You come up with a question that was asked.
00:05:48.640 You come up with what your best answer is to that question.
00:05:51.480 And then you send that up the line.
00:05:53.120 At some point, your boss looks at it and says,
00:05:55.480 okay, you might want to change this and that.
00:05:57.240 A lot of that is wording.
00:05:59.580 At some point, someone who's an editor and a little bit better with the English language
00:06:05.200 puts the commas and some of the other pieces in place where they belong.
00:06:09.580 But then that goes up to an assistant to the deputy director.
00:06:15.600 And that person looks it over.
00:06:17.440 And then the deputy director looks at it and could very easily say,
00:06:20.360 we're nixing this whole part of this report or this action plan for, say,
00:06:25.320 we're doing some operations somewhere in the world.
00:06:27.620 Or we're going to nix the entire thing whatsoever.
00:06:31.680 And we don't want this to go into the President's briefing.
00:06:35.940 But, of course, it's going to happen at the upper echelon.
00:06:39.000 The upper echelons.
00:06:41.360 And what I'm getting at here is, at what point does the obfuscation
00:06:46.520 or simply the removal of intelligence from the President's either view or hearing,
00:06:54.800 where does that actually originate in terms of saying,
00:07:00.300 okay, we're not going to tell the President about what is going on in Russia
00:07:03.840 or the Middle East or wherever it might be,
00:07:06.680 because it just seems to me it almost has to be the director who approves something like that.
00:07:14.600 Your thoughts on it?
00:07:16.760 I can imagine the director, especially if now they are politically oriented,
00:07:21.800 to tell his senior staff that we're not going to deal with a certain issue or a mission that's happening.
00:07:31.600 Or this fellow who's this whistleblower said that they believed,
00:07:36.260 they used some insinuity words for the President,
00:07:40.120 that he was not of an educated manner to be able to handle the information that they were dealing,
00:07:49.280 and that he would just spew it off to our enemies.
00:07:51.220 First of all, I don't believe that of Mr. Trump, our President, our former President.
00:07:56.560 And second, these people, this is the President of the United States.
00:08:01.220 You work for this man.
00:08:03.780 So this is elitism, and it's probably a political posturing for somebody else,
00:08:12.820 because you don't like the man that's sitting in the White House.
00:08:15.420 This seems like elitism of a rarefied sort, and outright arrogance,
00:08:22.720 and because if anyone ever finds out precisely what happened here,
00:08:27.500 extraordinarily tragic hubris on their part, because they will be held accountable for this.
00:08:33.840 But Pompeo right now is the central figure of this,
00:08:38.700 and he's accused, straightforwardly, of aiding and abetting,
00:08:43.620 if not, in fact, originating, the withholding of intelligence from the Commander-in-Chief
00:08:48.980 and the President of the United States.
00:08:51.900 Your thoughts on that?
00:08:54.500 Well, it would be Haskell as well.
00:08:56.220 It would be Nakasone at NSA.
00:08:58.900 So I don't know about whether the DIA director was also holding back,
00:09:03.680 but more than likely, because all of them would periodically talk with one another,
00:09:09.120 that this had to be like a small cabal at the very top of the intelligence community,
00:09:14.920 where they said, we're cutting this guy out, our president,
00:09:18.200 and we'll just wait him out until the next president shows up,
00:09:23.480 and maybe we won't tell that one either.
00:09:25.800 I think whatever they tell our current president, he wouldn't remember beyond lunchtime.
00:09:30.280 Yeah, this is in the intelligence service, this man would be considered a cutout,
00:09:38.840 and he's been cut out of just everything.
00:09:41.960 I mean, to even talk about Biden as the President of the United States,
00:09:46.100 first of all, he's an accident of history,
00:09:51.220 and history perverted by the Marxist Dems and Bill Barr
00:09:55.240 and a host of other people who conspired to stifle conservative voices.
00:10:05.140 Or otherwise, those 51 intelligence veterans who signed up and said,
00:10:10.400 you know what, that Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.
00:10:14.380 They lied through the teeth to the American people.
00:10:17.020 They changed the course of history.
00:10:18.660 And that's why it's so easy for me, at least,
00:10:22.340 to believe that Mike Pompeo and his henchmen,
00:10:25.940 while he was the head of the CIA,
00:10:28.060 did precisely what they're accused of doing,
00:10:30.720 which is withholding that intelligence.
00:10:33.240 We're talking with Russ Tice.
00:10:35.060 He is a former senior intelligence agent analyst
00:10:38.760 for the National Security Agency.
00:10:41.260 He is also a whistleblower.
00:10:43.600 And as I said at the outset, a great American.
00:10:46.460 We're coming right back with Russ.
00:10:47.900 Russ, stay with us.
00:10:48.920 We're going to figure out what's going on
00:10:51.200 throughout the intelligence community
00:10:53.900 as we continue our conversation with Russ.
00:10:56.460 Stay with us.
00:10:57.020 We'll be right back.
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00:12:35.460 We're talking with Russ Tice now,
00:12:37.220 and I want to say this has developed.
00:12:40.300 Representative Matt Gaetz calling for an investigation
00:12:43.020 into the bombshell O'Keefe reporting
00:12:46.680 on these, well, statements that
00:12:50.240 intelligence agencies, not agency,
00:12:54.060 coordinated to hide information
00:12:55.520 from the Trump White House.
00:12:58.100 This is remarkable stuff.
00:13:01.160 Matt Gaetz is calling for a complete investigation
00:13:04.120 and a thorough one.
00:13:05.620 I can't even imagine how you could even begin
00:13:09.020 to think we could get a thorough investigation
00:13:11.000 of the CIA or these other agencies.
00:13:14.580 It just defies imagination.
00:13:16.840 Your thoughts?
00:13:19.000 Ultimately, you're going to have to sack
00:13:20.420 the senior leadership of all of these agencies,
00:13:24.100 and you're going to have to put people in there
00:13:25.500 that you can trust to, first of all,
00:13:27.720 dig up what has happened and what's going on,
00:13:30.340 and then hold the people that have done this responsible
00:13:32.620 and make sure the president knows exactly what's going on,
00:13:35.620 how it happened, and how to proceed into the future
00:13:38.120 with people he can trust.
00:13:40.240 Well, and that really isn't a solution
00:13:42.860 because then it's next man up,
00:13:44.980 and the next man up is every bit as corrupt
00:13:47.080 because he is an appointee
00:13:49.920 and a beneficiary of the previous leadership.
00:13:53.620 So on and on the cycle goes.
00:13:57.980 There's got to be a way to get to this point.
00:14:01.420 I look back over the course of intelligence
00:14:04.000 in this country, Russ,
00:14:05.360 and I know you have certainly throughout your career
00:14:08.260 and your life.
00:14:10.500 There's no good beginning point to say
00:14:13.300 what happened to the integrity
00:14:15.520 of our intelligence agencies
00:14:17.020 because if you reach all the way back to the 19,
00:14:20.160 well, you can start with Truman
00:14:21.800 and the creation of the CIA,
00:14:24.380 go through the 1950s
00:14:26.800 where the CIA is responsible for,
00:14:30.100 and I happen to believe the reporting exactly.
00:14:34.560 I mean, the influence of the CIA
00:14:36.520 on the Gary Powers U-2 incident
00:14:38.720 is clearly recorded within the CIA itself
00:14:42.840 as well as the State Department
00:14:44.360 and what the pressure they brought to bear
00:14:46.740 on a recalcitrant president
00:14:48.480 who didn't want to fly spy planes
00:14:51.660 over the Soviet Union.
00:14:53.720 He did, and he did after thorough convincing
00:14:58.620 and lies from the intelligence community
00:15:01.320 about what Gary Powers at 70,000 feet
00:15:04.440 would be looking at
00:15:05.460 in the way of his own danger to his own life
00:15:10.260 and the aircraft he was flying.
00:15:12.660 So, I mean, from there you go on to Vietnam,
00:15:15.440 which was started under President Eisenhower,
00:15:19.100 he is the one who sent the first advisors.
00:15:22.860 John F. Kennedy sent more advisors
00:15:25.140 and lied to the American people throughout
00:15:27.120 about what he was doing.
00:15:28.640 And then we had the Pentagon Papers
00:15:31.040 about all of the lies
00:15:32.960 of the intelligence agencies,
00:15:34.820 all of the military-industrial complex,
00:15:37.880 and, of course, the president's
00:15:39.780 from Johnson forward to Nixon.
00:15:45.320 It's an outrage.
00:15:46.560 So, I mean, almost nothing
00:15:48.560 is beyond credulity
00:15:52.060 in assessing what the intelligence agencies have done,
00:15:57.140 particularly as we've seen what they did
00:15:58.880 with President Donald Trump
00:16:00.760 and are still doing.
00:16:01.840 Well, a lot of the problem is
00:16:05.020 that when you put someone
00:16:06.780 in charge of the intelligence agency
00:16:08.640 that's an ambassador
00:16:09.660 from somewhere or another
00:16:11.460 and has a background in,
00:16:13.100 I don't know,
00:16:14.700 either politics or domestic politics
00:16:17.100 or something generic like that
00:16:21.600 from the State Department,
00:16:24.480 and then the person,
00:16:26.580 another person is from,
00:16:28.300 say, the chairman
00:16:29.060 from either the hipsy or the sissy,
00:16:30.940 the intel committees on the House,
00:16:33.780 where were their former lawyers?
00:16:35.280 And, you know, when they were,
00:16:36.080 I always think of it this way.
00:16:37.760 What was this person doing
00:16:38.920 when they were 27 years old?
00:16:41.040 Were they, you know,
00:16:42.660 defending someone
00:16:44.440 because, you know,
00:16:45.720 they crashed a car and hurt someone?
00:16:47.820 Or were they spinning tapes
00:16:49.760 at some remote place,
00:16:51.020 you know, doing the spy work
00:16:53.020 that has to be done?
00:16:54.320 In other words.
00:16:55.480 Am I understanding you correctly, Russ,
00:16:57.020 that you're saying
00:16:57.560 that you just can't trust
00:16:58.660 the outsiders in the intel community?
00:17:00.940 Because it's what you sound like.
00:17:02.860 You sound like you're describing
00:17:03.800 John Ratcliffe
00:17:04.800 as the national director
00:17:07.540 of intelligence.
00:17:08.160 It sounds like you're talking
00:17:09.340 about Mike Pompeo,
00:17:11.500 who was brought in
00:17:13.060 because he was, you know,
00:17:14.900 a very eager politician
00:17:16.560 with very, very high ambitions
00:17:19.940 for himself.
00:17:21.560 But we go through the annals
00:17:23.340 of the intelligence community
00:17:24.680 and the professionals
00:17:27.200 that whether it's Richard Helms,
00:17:29.940 whether it's, you know,
00:17:31.700 John Allen Dulles,
00:17:35.540 you go through all of these people.
00:17:38.540 And, you know,
00:17:39.680 it's it seems to me
00:17:41.520 that you have plenty of people
00:17:43.240 to choose from,
00:17:44.100 that there is something rotten
00:17:45.720 in the system itself.
00:17:47.720 And I don't understand
00:17:49.040 why people
00:17:49.640 we've just watched
00:17:51.060 the Congress
00:17:51.620 of the United States
00:17:52.440 give the FBI
00:17:53.920 two hundred million dollars
00:17:55.660 for a new building.
00:17:56.800 It'll be the biggest building
00:17:57.900 in D.C.
00:17:59.140 in the federal,
00:18:00.660 bigger than the Pentagon.
00:18:02.560 And that's their reward
00:18:04.000 for spying on a president,
00:18:05.680 spying on both
00:18:06.440 intelligence committees.
00:18:08.560 That's their reward
00:18:09.980 for going after
00:18:11.500 the parents of children
00:18:14.140 who yelled
00:18:15.680 in a school board meeting.
00:18:17.640 This is the reward
00:18:19.900 for Christopher Wray
00:18:22.740 for saying
00:18:23.540 the greatest threat
00:18:25.000 to the country
00:18:25.760 are those doggone
00:18:27.420 right wing conservatives,
00:18:29.540 those mega folks.
00:18:31.080 I mean,
00:18:31.560 this is preposterous.
00:18:32.840 We're looking at
00:18:33.700 a lurid,
00:18:36.360 perverse
00:18:36.940 intelligence community
00:18:38.780 that is corrupt.
00:18:41.260 It looks to me
00:18:42.100 to the bone.
00:18:43.080 I can't.
00:18:43.520 Can you name
00:18:43.940 the last success
00:18:44.840 of our intelligence agencies?
00:18:47.000 Let's start with Ukraine.
00:18:48.460 Was that a success
00:18:49.160 for our intelligence agencies?
00:18:51.600 Well, let's look back.
00:18:53.060 We,
00:18:53.960 the CIA
00:18:54.660 fostered
00:18:55.840 a rebellion
00:18:56.820 and they threw out
00:18:57.900 the
00:18:59.700 democratically
00:19:01.660 elected president
00:19:02.940 of Ukraine.
00:19:04.700 So,
00:19:05.640 and that has caused
00:19:07.180 the nightmare
00:19:07.680 that we see now
00:19:08.520 over there.
00:19:09.760 In other words,
00:19:10.360 we did this.
00:19:11.640 So,
00:19:12.460 of course,
00:19:13.520 that's a failure.
00:19:14.860 Afghanistan,
00:19:15.380 but how long
00:19:17.000 went with 20 years
00:19:17.800 we were there
00:19:18.320 and what's this?
00:19:19.400 I've always said,
00:19:20.220 no matter whether
00:19:20.820 we leave,
00:19:21.780 15 years ago,
00:19:22.940 I said,
00:19:23.300 if we leave today,
00:19:24.140 tomorrow,
00:19:24.560 next week,
00:19:25.080 next month,
00:19:25.540 next year,
00:19:26.000 five years,
00:19:26.440 10 years,
00:19:26.820 20 years,
00:19:27.320 200 years,
00:19:28.100 200 years,
00:19:28.520 it will go right back
00:19:29.800 to the way it was
00:19:30.540 the warlords
00:19:31.140 in the mountains
00:19:31.720 and the extremists
00:19:34.440 in the valleys.
00:19:35.060 And then we have
00:19:37.800 these intel people
00:19:39.500 and these generals
00:19:40.320 that are lying
00:19:40.860 through their teeth
00:19:41.480 saying,
00:19:42.160 oh,
00:19:42.380 yes,
00:19:42.720 we're training
00:19:43.320 the Afghan army
00:19:45.000 and they're going
00:19:45.520 to be fit
00:19:46.440 to handle
00:19:47.000 and defend.
00:19:48.000 And of course,
00:19:48.880 it's blowing smoke
00:19:51.040 up people's nether regions
00:19:53.100 and the problem
00:19:54.680 is like,
00:19:55.780 yes,
00:19:56.200 yes,
00:19:56.460 I am referring
00:19:57.140 to the folks
00:19:57.780 that you mentioned,
00:19:59.420 that these are neophytes
00:20:00.820 that have no knowledge
00:20:02.380 and if you give me
00:20:03.720 a neophyte
00:20:04.500 and I need to pull
00:20:05.500 the wool over their eyes,
00:20:06.660 it's real easy
00:20:07.540 for me to walk up
00:20:08.420 and take the lollipop
00:20:09.680 from the baby
00:20:10.380 and entertain them
00:20:13.680 some other way
00:20:14.340 to keep them from crying
00:20:15.300 with a jester
00:20:16.420 jumping up and down.
00:20:18.220 We're talking
00:20:18.620 with Russ Tice
00:20:19.480 and we're going
00:20:20.680 to kind of hone in
00:20:21.880 on what chance
00:20:23.420 does America have
00:20:24.580 if its intelligence agencies
00:20:26.160 are working for
00:20:28.260 well,
00:20:29.620 unknown,
00:20:30.640 unidentifiable
00:20:31.560 patrons
00:20:32.840 and causes
00:20:34.520 and instead
00:20:37.100 of the United States
00:20:38.480 of America.
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00:21:14.620 We're back
00:21:15.300 with Russ Tice
00:21:16.080 and Russ,
00:21:16.580 I just have
00:21:17.460 to turn here
00:21:18.100 to I am
00:21:19.780 so dismayed
00:21:20.800 at the level
00:21:21.840 of conscience
00:21:23.880 and the sense
00:21:26.320 of duty
00:21:26.880 on the part
00:21:27.440 of the United States
00:21:28.180 Congress
00:21:28.600 right now.
00:21:29.280 I'm talking about
00:21:30.000 both political parties
00:21:31.040 frankly.
00:21:31.940 A Speaker of the House
00:21:32.960 who does not want
00:21:33.740 to hold accountable
00:21:34.540 the intelligence agencies
00:21:36.320 doesn't want
00:21:36.940 to hold accountable
00:21:37.780 those who have
00:21:39.160 violated our laws
00:21:40.640 have spied on presidents,
00:21:42.700 his own intelligence committees.
00:21:45.000 I mean,
00:21:45.720 we are adrift right now
00:21:48.100 in a morass
00:21:49.240 of corruption,
00:21:50.240 political corruption,
00:21:51.120 and certainly
00:21:52.220 economic,
00:21:53.760 financial corruption
00:21:54.680 as well.
00:21:55.760 Because the more wars
00:21:57.200 we get,
00:21:58.080 the more money
00:21:59.240 the military-industrial
00:22:00.980 complex makes.
00:22:02.480 And the safer
00:22:03.500 the jobs are
00:22:04.440 of those
00:22:04.960 and intel
00:22:05.840 because they get
00:22:07.420 to be spying
00:22:08.500 and bringing forth
00:22:09.820 offerings
00:22:10.900 to the President
00:22:11.900 of the United States
00:22:12.620 each day
00:22:13.600 in the way
00:22:14.820 of something
00:22:15.160 called intelligence
00:22:16.100 that didn't recognize
00:22:17.520 apparently
00:22:18.160 200,000 Russian troops
00:22:20.340 around the border
00:22:21.500 of Ukraine
00:22:22.200 and the clear intent
00:22:24.400 of Vladimir Putin
00:22:25.600 to invade.
00:22:27.780 Didn't recognize
00:22:29.520 anything that was
00:22:30.220 going on
00:22:30.700 in Africa.
00:22:32.060 Didn't understand
00:22:33.440 what was going on
00:22:35.260 in the conflict
00:22:37.040 of tribes
00:22:38.360 within various,
00:22:39.460 particularly
00:22:40.020 northern Africa.
00:22:41.600 I mean,
00:22:42.720 you go through this
00:22:43.420 and you look at
00:22:43.920 what China is doing
00:22:45.560 and it's a surprise
00:22:46.920 to American policymakers
00:22:48.500 because it's a surprise
00:22:50.060 to our intel agencies.
00:22:52.320 And there's not
00:22:53.400 even a word
00:22:54.500 uttered
00:22:55.880 as far as I know
00:22:56.860 by these
00:22:57.940 intelligence agencies
00:22:59.060 about the absolute
00:23:00.380 assault
00:23:01.520 on the U.S. dollar.
00:23:03.240 There's not a word
00:23:04.600 mentioned
00:23:05.120 about economic stability
00:23:06.660 and its importance
00:23:07.560 to national security
00:23:08.720 and what in the world
00:23:10.020 are you fools doing
00:23:11.240 in all of those committees,
00:23:13.060 whether it's armed services,
00:23:14.340 whether it's appropriations,
00:23:15.680 whatever it may be,
00:23:17.340 because you are
00:23:18.280 spending us
00:23:19.060 right into
00:23:19.740 a fiscal disaster
00:23:22.940 of immense proportions.
00:23:24.680 I mean,
00:23:25.140 that's where we are.
00:23:26.760 There's no judgment
00:23:28.020 in the end
00:23:28.640 that I can see
00:23:29.660 in the intel community
00:23:31.740 whatsoever.
00:23:32.480 I can't pick out
00:23:33.300 the agency.
00:23:34.720 I guess if I had to pick
00:23:35.640 one agency
00:23:36.320 that's probably doing
00:23:37.140 pretty well,
00:23:37.720 it's the big old
00:23:38.840 spy agency,
00:23:39.860 your former agency,
00:23:40.700 NSA.
00:23:42.960 Well,
00:23:43.040 one thing about NSA
00:23:43.820 is their job
00:23:44.620 is to look at
00:23:45.120 signals intelligence.
00:23:46.220 So you get to hear
00:23:47.480 what your potential
00:23:48.780 enemy is saying.
00:23:49.700 Now,
00:23:49.940 if that link
00:23:51.560 is compromised,
00:23:52.160 they may be saying
00:23:53.120 something over the air
00:23:54.580 to throw you off,
00:23:56.120 which is part
00:23:56.860 of that puzzle
00:23:57.360 I told you
00:23:57.920 where they throw
00:23:58.460 in those puzzle pieces
00:23:59.920 to throw you off
00:24:00.560 the trail.
00:24:01.800 But it's
00:24:02.880 not everyone
00:24:04.600 in the intel.
00:24:05.920 During the
00:24:06.880 the situation
00:24:08.580 with...
00:24:09.140 I want to be
00:24:10.140 clear about this,
00:24:11.000 Russ.
00:24:11.220 I'm not talking
00:24:11.920 about the individuals.
00:24:13.140 I'm really not.
00:24:14.600 Because many,
00:24:15.620 as you are about
00:24:16.540 to say,
00:24:17.080 are great Americans.
00:24:19.040 But what I am
00:24:19.820 talking about
00:24:20.380 are the corruption
00:24:21.380 of those institutions.
00:24:23.360 And certainly
00:24:23.940 their leadership.
00:24:24.880 Because they are
00:24:25.800 accountable for,
00:24:27.940 should be accountable
00:24:29.560 for their
00:24:30.780 transgressions
00:24:31.740 against,
00:24:32.220 you know,
00:24:33.520 the constitution
00:24:34.700 which they're
00:24:35.400 supposed to be
00:24:36.020 serving,
00:24:36.480 and the nation
00:24:37.520 they're supposed
00:24:38.040 to be serving.
00:24:39.680 Well,
00:24:40.160 for instance,
00:24:40.580 Ben Laden,
00:24:41.120 when we had him
00:24:42.000 pinned down
00:24:43.380 at the mountain
00:24:45.020 Tora Bora,
00:24:46.180 everyone in
00:24:47.220 the intel community
00:24:48.500 was screaming
00:24:49.280 at the president
00:24:49.960 to call in
00:24:50.700 the 101st
00:24:51.680 or the 82nd Airborne
00:24:52.520 to shore up
00:24:53.100 the backside
00:24:53.580 of that mountain
00:24:54.080 because we knew
00:24:54.520 it was porous.
00:24:55.500 And we can go in
00:24:56.500 and kill every
00:24:57.360 living thing
00:24:58.060 in that mountain
00:24:58.700 and we could have
00:24:59.480 been in and out.
00:25:00.920 And for a period
00:25:01.980 of time,
00:25:02.380 I'm like,
00:25:02.780 why?
00:25:03.520 We begged the president,
00:25:04.960 begged him,
00:25:05.580 please do this,
00:25:06.660 we'll be done.
00:25:07.780 And then I realized
00:25:09.020 this is because
00:25:10.260 they want a protracted
00:25:12.300 war so they can
00:25:13.880 spend billions
00:25:14.620 of dollars
00:25:15.220 and make a whole
00:25:16.440 lot of defense folks
00:25:17.440 and everybody else
00:25:18.420 getting paid off
00:25:18.940 a lot of money.
00:25:20.020 It's also because
00:25:20.740 the president you're
00:25:21.500 talking of wanted
00:25:22.260 the fundamental
00:25:22.940 transformation of
00:25:23.980 America.
00:25:25.060 He had a number
00:25:26.060 of agendas
00:25:26.560 working at the same
00:25:27.580 time, right?
00:25:29.580 Apparently so.
00:25:30.440 At my level,
00:25:32.860 you know,
00:25:32.980 I don't get to
00:25:33.480 see that.
00:25:34.660 But then,
00:25:35.940 all right,
00:25:36.120 so when we go
00:25:36.720 into Iran,
00:25:37.980 I mean,
00:25:38.300 not Iran,
00:25:39.040 Iraq,
00:25:40.000 then supposedly
00:25:41.240 we have everything
00:25:41.880 calmed down
00:25:42.440 basically because
00:25:43.780 we bought off
00:25:44.960 Muqtada al-Sadr
00:25:45.960 by paying him
00:25:47.100 cash every month.
00:25:48.260 So we're paying
00:25:48.820 him off for
00:25:49.860 this supposed
00:25:51.220 piece and
00:25:51.940 everything we're
00:25:53.360 doing is working.
00:25:54.880 And once those
00:25:55.680 payments stop,
00:25:56.540 it all goes
00:25:57.240 right back down
00:25:58.260 the drain again.
00:25:59.000 But the great
00:25:59.880 thing is that
00:26:00.880 everybody burned
00:26:02.480 all of the
00:26:02.980 poppy fields so
00:26:03.840 the warlords
00:26:04.820 were completely
00:26:05.540 without cash.
00:26:07.080 You know,
00:26:07.240 it's one of the
00:26:07.720 great questions
00:26:08.380 and there's only
00:26:09.520 one answer.
00:26:10.860 It was utter
00:26:11.560 corruption that
00:26:12.980 the United States
00:26:13.940 military and
00:26:14.780 and intel services
00:26:15.900 did not destroy
00:26:16.780 every poppy field
00:26:18.980 in Afghanistan
00:26:20.780 and deprive them
00:26:23.240 of that capital
00:26:24.300 and actually
00:26:25.740 carry out a war.
00:26:26.720 Now, I have to
00:26:27.760 give the CIA
00:26:28.540 and the U.S.
00:26:30.440 military great
00:26:31.220 credit because
00:26:32.340 within one year
00:26:33.280 of entering,
00:26:33.980 which was they
00:26:34.760 entered in
00:26:35.420 October of
00:26:37.280 20,
00:26:39.380 let me go back
00:26:41.260 to 2001,
00:26:42.700 they entered
00:26:43.180 in that
00:26:44.540 October period,
00:26:47.360 they within
00:26:48.240 eight months
00:26:50.080 had effective
00:26:51.040 control of
00:26:51.740 Afghanistan.
00:26:52.580 They, the CIA,
00:26:53.560 their paramilitary
00:26:54.900 military and U.S.
00:26:56.580 special forces.
00:26:57.820 I mean, people,
00:26:58.680 it's a matter
00:26:59.240 of history.
00:27:00.380 It's what we did
00:27:01.180 after that that
00:27:02.360 is monstrously
00:27:03.240 stupid.
00:27:04.980 That was only
00:27:05.420 with the support
00:27:06.140 of the warlords
00:27:07.000 that we were able
00:27:07.940 to do that.
00:27:08.860 And where did
00:27:09.200 the warlords
00:27:09.760 get met?
00:27:11.080 Much of their
00:27:11.520 proceeds were
00:27:13.960 from the
00:27:14.520 production of
00:27:15.240 poppies.
00:27:16.240 So not only
00:27:17.620 did we not
00:27:18.020 burn the poppy
00:27:18.780 fields,
00:27:19.080 we had U.S.
00:27:19.780 soldiers protecting
00:27:21.040 the poppy fields
00:27:22.640 because we're
00:27:23.840 trying to win
00:27:24.400 the hearts
00:27:24.820 and minds
00:27:25.460 of the locals
00:27:26.140 and the locals
00:27:26.820 are the farmers
00:27:27.480 growing the
00:27:28.400 poppies and
00:27:29.700 that was their
00:27:30.820 main source
00:27:31.340 of income.
00:27:32.060 The State
00:27:32.640 Department sends
00:27:33.300 a message over
00:27:34.080 while we're
00:27:34.720 over there
00:27:35.120 that says,
00:27:35.920 hey, tell the
00:27:36.560 farmers to
00:27:37.260 grow asparagus
00:27:38.240 because apparently
00:27:39.600 that helped
00:27:40.520 a little,
00:27:41.280 yeah.
00:27:42.180 In Central
00:27:44.060 or South
00:27:45.080 America,
00:27:45.840 they did this
00:27:46.820 to try to get
00:27:47.400 farmers not to
00:27:48.080 grow cocaine
00:27:48.900 or coca plants
00:27:50.420 and asparagus
00:27:51.620 is a high-yield
00:27:52.960 vegetable that
00:27:53.680 people like to
00:27:54.100 buy.
00:27:54.620 But if you've
00:27:55.120 ever looked at
00:27:55.660 the land,
00:27:56.660 the turf
00:27:57.580 in Afghanistan,
00:27:59.760 it is the
00:28:00.340 soil,
00:28:00.880 the only thing
00:28:01.660 you could grow
00:28:02.240 is poppies.
00:28:02.780 You couldn't
00:28:03.080 grow anything.
00:28:04.140 I'm happy to
00:28:05.020 say I've only
00:28:05.600 seen pictures
00:28:06.220 of the terrain.
00:28:07.620 Russ, we
00:28:08.320 thank you so
00:28:08.980 much for being
00:28:09.500 with us.
00:28:10.540 This story is
00:28:11.420 going to be
00:28:11.920 around for
00:28:12.480 quite some
00:28:13.020 time and I
00:28:14.400 think it
00:28:14.740 really is,
00:28:16.020 I hope it
00:28:16.760 could,
00:28:17.200 it certainly
00:28:17.760 could be.
00:28:18.900 Pivotal
00:28:19.500 in bringing
00:28:21.380 some understanding
00:28:22.240 to the American
00:28:22.900 people about
00:28:23.640 exactly what
00:28:25.460 their intelligence
00:28:26.060 agencies are
00:28:26.960 about,
00:28:27.320 how politicized
00:28:28.160 they are,
00:28:29.100 and how
00:28:29.680 weaponized our
00:28:30.740 federal government
00:28:31.440 is against the
00:28:32.240 American people.
00:28:33.640 Russ Tice,
00:28:34.740 Great American.
00:28:35.760 Thanks for being
00:28:36.280 with us.
00:28:36.700 God bless you.
00:28:38.120 Thanks everybody
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