The Great America Show - The Great America Saturday Show： May 24, 2025

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

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00:00:11.180 The big news over the weekend, President Joe Biden diagnosed with prostate cancer.

00:00:17.000 Now, Joe Biden, back in 2022, when he was in Delaware, may have virtue signaled to the world, to America, that he had been battling this cancer.

00:00:27.760 Take a listen to Joe Biden back in 2022 addressing it.

00:00:32.400 And because it was a four-lane highway that was accessible, my mother drove us, and rather than us be able to walk.

00:00:41.240 And guess what?

00:00:42.700 The first frost, you know what was happening?

00:00:45.940 You had to put on your windshield wipers to get literally the oil slick off the window.

00:00:50.920 That's why I and so damn many other people I grew up with have cancer.

00:00:54.000 And why can't, for the longest time, Delaware had the highest cancer rate in the nation?

00:00:59.260 So that was Joe Biden back in 2022.

00:01:02.100 Was he virtue signaling?

00:01:03.520 Was he telling the world?

00:01:04.640 Was he telling American people that he was diagnosed with cancer?

00:01:10.340 Did he know for years?

00:01:12.640 What was the deal?

00:01:13.640 Now, the interesting thing about it is Joe Biden, as the, we'll say, the most powerful man in the world, by designation of President of the United States, went through one of the most intensive physicals that you can possibly get for four years, for the last four years.

00:01:27.660 And I assume it's Vice President as well for the four years when he was with, or the eight years, rather, he was with Barack Obama.

00:01:35.080 So how long was this going on for?

00:01:37.400 And were people covering up?

00:01:39.000 Because I think that's a question, and that's something that demands an answer.

00:01:44.660 Was Dr. Kevin O'Connor covering up for Joe Biden as White House physician?

00:01:51.680 Now, there was a doctor, Dr. Schussman, who was on News Nation last night, and I found it particularly interesting on his timeline of when this cancer would have started, how it would have progressed.

00:02:03.980 Let's take a listen.

00:02:04.700 It's very unlikely that someone could get annual checkups and not notice a PSA elevation over the past, you know, this is what I typically would see in a VA hospital, where a patient hasn't had medical attention in 10 years, presents to an emergency room with bone pain, and then they find that it's metastatic prostate cancer.

00:02:29.660 But in the modern age of medicine, especially the fact that he was a former president, he had intensive state-of-the-art care where we can see prostate cancer, you know, 10 years in the past.

00:02:45.920 So this is, I mean, it's very unusual to hear that someone has prostate cancer where they're annually being followed up.

00:02:56.880 And the fact that we just find it at a Gleason 9 is just pretty much unheard of in this day and age of medicine.

00:03:04.720 And even in the, you know, even in the inner city populations, we wouldn't see it this day.

00:03:09.820 I see. So you're saying even in a medically neglected population, it would be surprising to have a surprise diagnosis with a Gleason score of 9.

00:03:20.460 So you're saying that certainly as he was serving in the Oval Office, you believe that he knew that he had prostate cancer,

00:03:27.660 and even potentially as he was running in 2020 before he assumed office?

00:03:33.120 Well, most likely he had prostate cancer for a long time.

00:03:37.340 And aggressive prostate cancer such as this at age 80 grows over a long period of time.

00:03:44.040 I mean, usually it takes from the first diagnosis of prostate cancer to spread would take 5 to 10 years.

00:03:52.940 Even in the most aggressive form, it's just, to me, it seems very surprising that it would, the first diagnosis would be a metastatic diagnosis,

00:04:05.620 especially Gleason 9 cancer, without, you know, having his PSA history.

00:04:11.760 I mean, I would like him to get a, you know, to release the PSA history right now to see what it was.

00:04:19.300 I mean, I'm talking.

00:04:20.600 The PSA history.

00:04:22.960 So that, folks, for us who aren't doctors, we did our research here,

00:04:26.780 and knowing many people who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer, I'm privy to knowing the process.

00:04:32.940 The PSA is a very simple test, which will tell you if your numbers are high or you're low.

00:04:38.360 And if you're high, there's something to worry about.

00:04:40.460 And what this doctor said is very, Dr. Schussman, very pragmatic.

00:04:44.860 Like, your PSA levels are not just going to shoot in the course of whenever he got his last physical before he left office less than a year ago through the roof.

00:04:55.760 And the fact that it's metastasized is something that just doesn't happen overnight, doesn't go from your prostate to your bones.

00:05:04.340 Now, I'm not a doctor, but I've spoken to many doctors since this news is broken.

00:05:07.420 But the fact that it's spread beyond the prostate into the skeletal system, into the bone system is just not something that progresses like this overnight in the prostate.

00:05:17.540 So who knew what and when did they know it?

00:05:21.060 And I think it's something that we're going to have to start to figure out on not just who was propping up Joe Biden and the elder abuse that they were doing to this man, but the man was sick.

00:05:33.800 We knew that he had had many mental lapses, but now we find out that it's far worse than that.

00:05:41.840 And in my opinion, it's criminal for the people who propped him up.

00:05:46.060 It's criminal for the people who knew this was going on, including the doctors.

00:05:53.000 So we're going to monitor that and we're going to see.

00:05:56.040 But I think we can we're going to start to maybe see some investigations start to happen.

00:06:01.120 Now, James Comer, the head of House Oversight, who investigated the Biden family for the last four years, says it's now time to start looking at some of those pardons, those auto pen pardons and signatures.

00:06:14.560 Take a listen to him mentioning perhaps their next investigation.

00:06:19.560 You are going and looking at who is controlling this auto pen because Joe Biden, I mean, he's demonstrating that he doesn't have all the cognitive capabilities they had.

00:06:29.460 That interview was from 2023.

00:06:32.500 Yeah, that's hard evidence early in the President Biden's term as president.

00:06:39.660 He clearly shows that he was in significant mental decline.

00:06:44.520 It questions who was actually making the decisions.

00:06:48.280 So what we found is not just with the pardons he issued, but many of the executive orders that the courts are now using to Trump proof, many of the executive orders that President Trump is trying to implement to make government more efficient.

00:07:01.480 Many of these executive orders, as well as the pardons of Biden's entire family as a result of our investigation, these were all signed with the auto pen. 0.70

00:07:10.760 And clearly from that interview, which was many, many months prior to the heavy use of the auto pen, Joe Biden wasn't capable of making decisions.

00:07:22.320 He wasn't coherent.

00:07:23.960 We think we've identified who the staffers are.

00:07:27.060 Jason, you all have done great work with that over at Heritage Oversight.

00:07:30.900 We're going to bring everyone that we believe was involved in any role in the use of the auto pen.

00:07:37.780 We're going to invite them to come in for a transcribed interview.

00:07:40.640 If they want, then they will receive a subpoena and they will have a full blown deposition.

00:07:44.700 But we want to find out who was actually making the decisions in the White House during the last nine months of the Biden administration when he was clearly in mental decline.

00:07:54.400 Comer saying exactly how it is.

00:07:59.200 We need answers.

00:08:00.760 Who knew what and when did they know it?

00:08:02.500 Who is propping this man up?

00:08:04.160 Now, let's turn to some politics over in the FBI.

00:08:07.640 Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, not making people happy.

00:08:12.360 Cash Patel was asked in an interview with Maria Bartiroma that he sat down with Dan Bongino about how Epstein died.

00:08:19.260 Very interesting, the shift in tone.

00:08:21.880 Let's listen.

00:08:22.380 You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

00:08:26.600 People don't believe it.

00:08:27.980 Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion.

00:08:31.980 But as someone who has worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing, you know a suicide when you see one.

00:08:42.840 And that's what that was.

00:08:44.600 He killed himself.

00:08:46.620 Again, you want me to?

00:08:47.860 I've seen the whole file.

00:08:49.760 He killed himself.

00:08:52.380 Sort of a change of tune for Mr. Bongino, huh?

00:08:55.940 Went on his show, his rumble show every single day and said other things.

00:09:01.880 Now it's a big shift.

00:09:04.200 The American people aren't sold, but that's not the only thing that the shift has happened on.

00:09:10.260 How about that assassination attempt on President Trump, the man in Butler that still nobody knows anything about?

00:09:18.480 Let's hear what Bongino has to say about him.

00:09:20.180 You know what, Maria?

00:09:24.440 Cash is not kidding.

00:09:26.080 We've been personally briefed extensively on every single detail, nugget, tendril of this case.

00:09:33.220 One is actively in court right now.

00:09:35.340 So out of respect for the case, it's probably more appropriate that I stay quiet on that.

00:09:40.000 However, I'm not going to tell people what they want to hear.

00:09:43.280 I'm going to tell you the truth, and whether you like it or not is up to you.

00:09:46.800 If there was a big explosive there there, right, given my history as a Secret Service agent

00:09:52.500 and my personal friendship as a director who does with the president,

00:09:56.880 give me one logical, sensible reason we would not have.

00:09:59.980 If you can think of one, there isn't.

00:10:02.740 There isn't.

00:10:03.820 In some of these cases, the there you're looking for is not there.

00:10:07.840 And I know people, I get it.

00:10:10.200 I understand.

00:10:11.320 It's not there.

00:10:13.720 If it was there, we would have told you.

00:10:17.700 Huh.

00:10:18.640 Sort of interesting.

00:10:19.420 Another thing that the American people find sort of interesting.

00:10:24.140 Thomas Cooks was able, on July 13th, when he took that shot and hit President Trump,

00:10:29.980 was able to fly a drone over the Pennsylvania fairgrounds and get aerial footage of the rally

00:10:34.080 and the whole layout for the two hours before President Trump took the stage.

00:10:39.180 He brought a rangefinder through security.

00:10:41.740 He invaded law enforcement officers from several different state, local, and federal agencies for hours.

00:10:47.360 He then somehow climbed up on a roof with his rifle 450 feet from President Trump,

00:10:52.840 bear crawled his way to a perfect vantage point,

00:10:55.060 as bystanders alerted police,

00:10:58.440 and he was still able to take eight shots at President Trump.

00:11:01.800 Not to mention, he parked a vehicle full of explosives near the rally.

00:11:05.820 He was able to walk around the premises hours after snipers took a photo of him

00:11:10.440 and labeled him suspicious.

00:11:12.980 A sniper located in the second-story window was only 40 feet away from Crooks

00:11:18.620 and did nothing about it.

00:11:21.960 And worst of all, they let Trump take the stage

00:11:24.240 after they knew Crooks was pegged as suspicious by Secret Service,

00:11:29.220 taking their eye off of him.

00:11:31.140 Does Dan Bongino think we're really supposed to believe

00:11:33.540 that this man was just a lone shooter,

00:11:38.540 a lone 21-year-old boy taking a shot at President Trump?

00:11:43.880 I'm not stupid, and I don't think you guys are by any stretch of the imagination.

00:11:48.560 It doesn't make sense and does not add up.

00:11:52.700 To some politics here at home, folks,

00:11:54.820 the House Budget Committee has passed through President Trump's big, beautiful bill,

00:11:59.900 the reconciliation package.

00:12:01.620 The vote of 17 to 16 with four voting president

00:12:03.980 will now wait in the coming days where it'll head to the House floor

00:12:07.380 for a full vote, hopefully passing those rhinos in New York,

00:12:12.620 getting on the right side of history,

00:12:14.880 passing big, beautiful tax cuts for the American people.

00:12:18.200 Folks, so much going on over in the Middle East,

00:12:20.440 on the world stage.

00:12:22.120 President Trump recently engaging with China on a trade deal

00:12:25.120 over in UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia,

00:12:28.460 working up trillions of dollars of investments for America.

00:12:31.860 Very interesting time.

00:12:33.320 We may finally soon have peace in the Middle East.

00:12:36.580 I want to bring in our guest today.

00:12:37.840 Our guest today is Gordon Chang,

00:12:40.340 author, attorney, and great American China expert

00:12:43.680 to talk about all these issues over in the Middle East

00:12:46.180 and what's going on with China right now

00:12:48.160 and seemingly why Xi Jinping has been so quiet.

00:12:51.260 Gordon, as always, it's great to have you back with us

00:12:59.280 on The Great America Show.

00:13:00.120 It's been far too long.

00:13:01.620 I want to start with first,

00:13:02.860 I mean, there's so much going on in the Middle East.

00:13:04.300 We're going to get to that.

00:13:05.140 President Trump just coming back from a monumental trip,

00:13:07.480 securing trillions of dollars in investments for America,

00:13:10.480 for the American people, for the American worker.

00:13:12.920 But I want to start with first, China,

00:13:14.400 because China's been very, very silent on the world stage

00:13:18.200 since Donald Trump won the election, number one,

00:13:20.840 and number two, took office.

00:13:22.740 We don't see any balloons overflying continental United States.

00:13:26.200 We don't see any war planes buzzing the Bering Strait.

00:13:31.180 There's a lot of things that happened over the last four years, Gordon,

00:13:34.040 that we're just simply not seeing anymore.

00:13:36.000 Now, it may be a coincidence.

00:13:37.600 What's your thoughts?

00:13:39.660 Not a coincidence, John.

00:13:40.800 The Chinese have been focused on Trump 0.91

00:13:45.400 because Trump is someone who can change the calculus,

00:13:50.260 and Trump is doing that.

00:13:51.640 He's changing the world right now,

00:13:53.280 and China's reacting to it.

00:13:56.380 That's not to say that the Chinese are,

00:14:00.340 they are afraid of Trump,

00:14:02.860 but right now, Xi Jinping has got a situation

00:14:07.180 which is very fragile at home.

00:14:08.780 And what he's trying to do is overcompensate

00:14:12.100 by taking on the U.S. in other ways.

00:14:15.280 So trade, for instance.

00:14:17.300 And this is going to be the battleground.

00:14:19.740 But you're right.

00:14:20.640 We haven't seen those provocative Chinese activities 1.00

00:14:23.800 like the balloon flight

00:14:25.220 and like some of the other things you mentioned.

00:14:27.880 And that's because they just at this point

00:14:30.160 don't feel that they want to have a fight

00:14:32.720 with the President of the United States.

00:14:34.600 And that's a good thing,

00:14:35.680 which means that Trump is keeping the peace.

00:14:38.780 You mentioned trade.

00:14:40.280 In my opinion, they're even losing on trade.

00:14:42.580 Donald Trump has their banks in absolute shambles.

00:14:45.320 Their real estate is in absolute shambles.

00:14:47.400 Their factory workers are revolting.

00:14:49.420 And this is what you and I have spoken about

00:14:50.860 for the last, since I've taken over the show

00:14:53.300 in, I guess, July, August of last year.

00:14:55.880 We've been talking about the people of China

00:14:58.540 starting to get fed up with Xi Jinping and his regime.

00:15:01.500 And something like this certainly seems like

00:15:04.660 they're getting to the breaking point

00:15:06.740 where something may happen

00:15:08.100 and it's not going to be against America.

00:15:10.020 It's going to be against Xi Jinping.

00:15:12.280 Yeah.

00:15:13.060 Xi Jinping has real problems at home.

00:15:16.240 First of all, he's losing control of the military, I think.

00:15:20.180 That's a minority view.

00:15:21.300 But when you start looking,

00:15:23.700 there's been unprecedented series of demotions

00:15:27.560 and disappearances since the middle of 2023,

00:15:31.200 especially in the rocket force,

00:15:32.740 which is the branch of the Chinese military

00:15:34.420 that controls almost all the country's nuclear weapons.

00:15:38.080 That's not a good sign.

00:15:40.000 But what was really important was

00:15:42.140 Xi Jinping's number one loyalist in the military,

00:15:45.700 a guy named General He Weidong,

00:15:47.960 has not been seen in public since March 11th.

00:15:50.340 Now, people are saying that Xi Jinping got rid of his own guy.

00:15:55.140 I don't think that's the case.

00:15:56.900 And we can go in that if you really want to wonk out.

00:15:59.760 But the point is,

00:16:00.660 I think that Xi Jinping's adversaries

00:16:03.140 are now starting to demote and disappear

00:16:06.480 Xi Jinping's loyalists.

00:16:09.140 And if that's indeed the case,

00:16:11.560 then Xi Jinping has lost control

00:16:14.960 of the most important faction in the Communist Party.

00:16:18.380 Now, there are problems in the economy.

00:16:19.880 The economy is contracting from all that we can tell.

00:16:23.800 And so that puts Xi Jinping,

00:16:25.340 who's got responsibility for all of this,

00:16:27.860 in the hot seat.

00:16:30.000 Yeah, but he's himself, too.

00:16:31.700 He's been sort of quiet lately.

00:16:33.640 You know, the past four years,

00:16:36.000 you'd heard him come out and say certain things

00:16:37.760 at certain times, very calculated.

00:16:39.720 I don't think he's a stupid man.

00:16:41.520 I think his calculations are a little bit off.

00:16:43.700 And I think he's coming to realize

00:16:45.940 that he messed with the bull, being Donald Trump.

00:16:48.780 And now he's getting the horns in.

00:16:50.260 I think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place right now.

00:16:53.320 You said militarily,

00:16:55.000 they're starting to maybe turn on him.

00:16:57.920 But how about the economy there?

00:16:59.340 It's been now what a lot of people don't realize

00:17:03.220 is China lies about everything.

00:17:05.180 They lie, they cheat, they steal.

00:17:07.160 OK, now me saying this makes me

00:17:10.160 ineligible to ever travel to China again,

00:17:12.860 which is fine.

00:17:13.380 I've been there once and I don't plan on ever going back

00:17:15.360 because I'll never make it back home here.

00:17:16.720 But it's and imagine that, Gordon,

00:17:18.860 how sad it is that we can't travel to a country

00:17:21.040 if we talk bad about the leadership.

00:17:22.520 But that was almost America if Donald Trump didn't win.

00:17:25.620 But you have this country that lies about everything.

00:17:28.640 They lie about their economic data.

00:17:30.040 They lie about their their real estate data.

00:17:32.600 They lie about their stock markets.

00:17:34.060 Everything's a lie.

00:17:35.480 But how bad does it have to be, Gordon,

00:17:37.940 that we're seeing now on its face just how bad it is,

00:17:41.200 whether it be factory workers, whether it be real estate

00:17:43.160 or whether it be just the overall economy?

00:17:47.460 Yeah, China reported 5.4 percent growth

00:17:51.060 for the first quarter.

00:17:52.520 I think it actually contracted.

00:17:55.040 And we're seeing price data, which I think is really telling

00:18:00.220 for February, March and April,

00:18:02.120 which showed that the country is in a deflationary spiral.

00:18:05.440 The consumer price index has now been down

00:18:07.500 for three straight months.

00:18:09.120 And the producer price index, which measures factory gate prices,

00:18:13.100 is down for 31 straight months.

00:18:16.460 Now, you can't have robust growth and deflation

00:18:19.020 at the same time.

00:18:20.240 It is just, I suppose it's theoretically possible,

00:18:24.200 but in our world, the one we actually live in, it isn't.

00:18:28.340 So right now, China's economy is at a very fragile point.

00:18:34.760 Property, which is used to be the core of the Chinese economy,

00:18:38.300 property prices are just basically collapsed.

00:18:41.260 And they're not coming back because they've got too much supply

00:18:44.240 and they don't have enough demand.

00:18:46.260 Now, that being said,

00:18:48.760 you know, Trump's interview with Brett Baer

00:18:50.480 when Trump and Baer were in the Middle East

00:18:53.180 was very telling because Trump said that

00:18:56.220 the reason why he came to that trade arrangement

00:18:59.360 with the Chinese, which was announced

00:19:01.380 a couple of Mondays ago or a Monday ago,

00:19:04.700 he said, well, the Chinese was going to break.

00:19:07.980 And that's probably true.

00:19:10.660 But the problem is that Trump gave China

00:19:14.260 a very good trade deal.

00:19:17.200 They got much more out of this trade arrangement than we did.

00:19:20.560 What's even worse is that the Chinese, 1.00

00:19:22.380 even though it's a deal is only a week old,

00:19:24.260 the Chinese have already violated it.

00:19:25.940 Then they put anti-dumping duties on the U.S. of 74.9%.

00:19:32.480 This is Xi Jinping challenging Donald Trump.

00:19:38.600 And Trump has got to respond

00:19:40.260 because if Trump doesn't respond,

00:19:42.300 the Chinese are going to continue to assault us. 1.00

00:19:44.820 And by the way, it's not going to only be Xi Jinping

00:19:47.300 who's going to go after us hard.

00:19:49.200 It's also his good friends,

00:19:50.980 including a guy named Vladimir Putin.

00:19:53.380 So I think Trump has a lot on the line.

00:19:56.300 This was just one more thing.

00:19:58.200 Trump, I think, gave China an off-ramp

00:20:01.460 on what was going to be a collision

00:20:04.000 between China and the rest of the world.

00:20:06.520 That is sort of American policy at its best,

00:20:09.580 but it's also at its worst

00:20:11.580 because the Chinese are malicious. 1.00

00:20:14.960 They're attacking us.

00:20:16.920 And now's not the time to let up on them.

00:20:19.720 And unfortunately, the president of the United States,

00:20:22.200 being magnanimous, has let up on the Chinese. 0.98

00:20:24.600 And I think we're going to find

00:20:26.700 a much more difficult China to deal with, 0.99

00:20:29.180 which means Trump is going to have

00:20:30.660 a very hard time with Beijing.

00:20:34.060 Do you believe he let up on them

00:20:35.420 because he was more worried about our stock market here?

00:20:38.860 Is there a personal relationship,

00:20:40.460 or do you believe he thinks that further down the road

00:20:42.680 he'll actually get them?

00:20:43.520 I think that certainly, you know,

00:20:47.180 all the reporting is that Trump was concerned

00:20:50.800 about empty shelves.

00:20:52.600 He was concerned about the stock market.

00:20:54.880 And I'm sure that those concerns

00:20:56.660 played some role in Trump's decision.

00:20:59.880 But I don't think that they were enough

00:21:01.680 because Trump had been talking about empty shelves

00:21:05.280 and all the rest of this for quite some time.

00:21:07.760 And so I don't think that it was the determining factor.

00:21:12.780 Of course, you're going to have to ask

00:21:13.860 the president himself.

00:21:15.580 But the point is, from what we know

00:21:17.600 about what Trump was saying and doing

00:21:19.420 after April 2nd, Liberation Day,

00:21:22.600 when he put all the tariffs on,

00:21:24.540 I think that Trump understood that this was coming.

00:21:27.780 I think that he saw how serious things were in China.

00:21:31.020 And he wanted to give Xi Jinping a breather.

00:21:36.320 Now, this is just the way Americans think,

00:21:39.900 but it is not a good approach, as I mentioned.

00:21:43.960 Why?

00:21:44.560 What's his rationale behind it?

00:21:46.460 China's caused so much destruction to America, 1.00

00:21:48.680 to the world.

00:21:50.020 What they did during COVID, I mean,

00:21:52.220 just barely touches the surface of what they've done

00:21:55.060 for the last quarter century.

00:21:57.240 Why give them this off-ramp?

00:21:58.920 I mean, to me, it's totally absurd.

00:22:02.940 Well, I think he did it because he realized

00:22:05.460 that China could fall apart.

00:22:07.020 And he's more concerned about a chaotic China

00:22:09.940 than a more or less stable one.

00:22:12.860 Also, because Trump wants to make deals,

00:22:15.000 and he thinks that he can do something

00:22:16.500 that's good for both the Chinese

00:22:18.220 and the American people.

00:22:19.800 There is that sort of, you know,

00:22:22.840 very sort of generous streak in Trump.

00:22:25.940 And, you know, we see this about doing deals with people.

00:22:30.680 The problem is that he, we Americans,

00:22:35.760 and this includes Trump,

00:22:37.140 don't understand the maliciousness of the Chinese regime.

00:22:40.620 As you point out,

00:22:42.120 they killed 1.2 million Americans with COVID.

00:22:45.460 I mean, we don't know how COVID first got out

00:22:48.980 into the Chinese public,

00:22:50.060 but we know that once it did,

00:22:51.920 Xi Jinping made deliberate decisions

00:22:53.860 to spread it beyond China's borders.

00:22:56.180 Well, you and I know how it got out, Gordon.

00:23:00.160 It's a lab leak in all probability.

00:23:03.960 But we know 100% that once this disease

00:23:07.880 was out in the Chinese public,

00:23:09.920 Xi Jinping, he lied about transmissibility.

00:23:13.080 He told the world it was not contagious

00:23:15.220 when he knew that it was.

00:23:16.740 And then while he was locking down his own country,

00:23:19.100 which means he thinks that lockdowns

00:23:21.560 were an effective way of stopping disease.

00:23:23.720 That's another story, but that's what he thought.

00:23:26.520 So while he was locking down China, 0.55

00:23:28.140 he was pressuring other countries

00:23:30.000 to take arrivals from China without restrictions.

00:23:32.760 You put those two things together,

00:23:34.160 and it's clear that the spread of COVID beyond China

00:23:37.260 was the result of deliberate policies.

00:23:40.400 Seven million people died from COVID outside China,

00:23:43.880 including 1.2 million Americans.

00:23:46.120 Those people were murdered, John.

00:23:47.940 And whatever we think about trade deals or whatever,

00:23:52.380 we cannot allow the Chinese to think 1.00

00:23:54.500 they could do that again

00:23:55.520 because they've paid no cost

00:23:57.420 for murdering seven million people, 0.96

00:23:59.340 which means they'll be inclined to do it again

00:24:02.060 because we know that they are

00:24:03.860 at the Wuhan Institute of Virology

00:24:05.700 and other places manipulating microbes

00:24:09.400 to make them weapons.

00:24:13.220 That's the thing that just out of all

00:24:15.920 of it troubles me the most is that

00:24:17.320 they've never paid the price

00:24:18.840 for anything that they've done.

00:24:21.080 And, you know, I truly believed

00:24:23.240 before Donald Trump came into office

00:24:24.820 that he was going to finally do it.

00:24:27.680 And like, you know, I don't have many criticisms

00:24:30.440 of President Trump.

00:24:31.280 I think he's done a terrific job

00:24:32.780 and he's done an amazing job

00:24:34.420 relative to what we've gotten

00:24:35.680 to the preceding 46 presidents.

00:24:38.940 But there comes a time

00:24:41.280 where you have to either let the bully win

00:24:44.000 or kick the bully in the face while he's down.

00:24:46.240 And, you know, I think we've reached the point

00:24:47.840 where, you know, we're sort of

00:24:49.880 at a very interesting place with China.

00:24:52.820 Before we move on,

00:24:54.440 how do you think this concludes what China do?

00:24:57.680 Do you think China and America

00:24:59.680 make a long-term deal?

00:25:01.320 Or do you think that this,

00:25:03.100 a long-term deal that gets America 0.58

00:25:04.640 decoupled from China,

00:25:05.560 or do you think this is going to be a deal

00:25:07.580 that pushes America further in?

00:25:09.100 We're going to decouple

00:25:11.580 because that's what Trump wants to do.

00:25:14.500 And, you know, you said it before

00:25:15.920 when you were talking about this.

00:25:18.900 I think Trump ultimately believes

00:25:20.740 we will prevail.

00:25:21.840 So he was maybe willing to give China 0.90

00:25:24.120 a breather.

00:25:26.660 But Trump clearly wants to decouple,

00:25:29.980 clearly on strategic items,

00:25:31.540 as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent

00:25:33.780 said three or four days ago.

00:25:35.400 I think it was to see NBC.

00:25:40.620 We're going to see that.

00:25:41.700 And the reason is there's so much trade friction

00:25:43.600 and so much other friction

00:25:44.960 between the United States and China

00:25:46.600 that companies are seeing

00:25:48.220 that they got to at least diversify

00:25:50.640 out of China.

00:25:51.400 So, for instance, Apple,

00:25:53.260 which has been a very pro-CCP company,

00:25:56.900 Tim Cook on his earnings on May 1st,

00:26:00.420 I think it was an earnings call,

00:26:02.380 he said, look, this current calendar quarter,

00:26:06.720 more than half of America's iPhones

00:26:09.900 are going to come from India.

00:26:11.680 And he said that the iPads

00:26:13.220 and other devices

00:26:13.940 will be coming from Vietnam.

00:26:16.380 Are they going to be coming from there 0.91

00:26:17.640 or are they shipping them

00:26:18.380 from China to there?

00:26:19.720 They're going to be assembled in India 0.99

00:26:21.920 with components probably from China

00:26:25.220 and elsewhere

00:26:25.700 because it takes a long time

00:26:29.020 to move Apple's supply chain,

00:26:30.740 which is the most difficult to move

00:26:32.540 of any company.

00:26:34.140 But we are seeing,

00:26:35.940 even Apple is now understanding

00:26:38.840 that it's got to diversify

00:26:40.460 and get out of China.

00:26:42.080 And other companies are seeing the same

00:26:44.060 or have seen the same thing.

00:26:45.820 And this, I believe,

00:26:47.320 is Trump's ultimate plan.

00:26:49.640 But I'd like to see

00:26:51.780 a little bit more determined

00:26:52.860 implementation on the part of our president.

00:26:55.600 How this ends up,

00:26:56.640 we know the Chinese

00:26:57.800 are going to continue

00:26:59.740 to violate that deal.

00:27:01.320 They've already done it

00:27:02.180 three or four days in,

00:27:03.840 you know,

00:27:04.160 in the middle of last week,

00:27:05.220 they were violating this deal.

00:27:07.580 I mean, that's record time,

00:27:09.420 even for the Chinese

00:27:10.480 to dishonor their promises.

00:27:13.060 But we also know

00:27:13.680 that they think that,

00:27:14.760 you know,

00:27:15.840 this 90-day pause,

00:27:17.100 they're going to need

00:27:17.620 more than 90 days.

00:27:19.080 They're just going to continue

00:27:20.100 to delay and delay.

00:27:21.180 And eventually,

00:27:21.700 Trump will get tired of this

00:27:22.920 and he will have to do something.

00:27:25.260 Because if he doesn't do something,

00:27:26.820 the Chinese are just going 1.00

00:27:28.160 to go after us on trade.

00:27:30.420 And I don't think

00:27:31.260 the president will find

00:27:32.580 that to be acceptable.

00:27:34.080 So that's my prediction.

00:27:37.560 Maybe it's a little bit more hope,

00:27:39.200 but I think Trump

00:27:40.300 is not going to let Xi Jinping

00:27:41.760 get the better of him

00:27:42.760 in the long run.

00:27:45.000 Listen, if China make good products

00:27:47.020 like Germans make cars, 1.00

00:27:49.660 like Italians make leather 1.00

00:27:50.860 and other gadgets,

00:27:52.340 I would understand,

00:27:53.680 but China makes junk.

00:27:55.120 There's no secret about it.

00:27:56.640 They cut corners on everything.

00:27:58.120 They steal everything.

00:27:59.920 You know,

00:28:00.620 if they made good things,

00:28:02.140 Japanese making TVs, 0.96

00:28:05.080 Koreans making TVs, 1.00

00:28:06.380 excellent, you know, products.

00:28:08.580 But when it comes to China,

00:28:10.600 everything is either stolen technology

00:28:12.960 with 10 cut corners

00:28:14.560 or, you know,

00:28:16.320 something created like just junk.

00:28:18.500 So I don't understand

00:28:20.760 why we wouldn't want

00:28:21.540 to get out of there.

00:28:22.120 Apple should lead the way

00:28:23.560 and should be a great

00:28:24.620 American company

00:28:25.480 and get the heck out of there. 0.86

00:28:28.660 Like, you know,

00:28:29.460 I understand there's

00:28:30.220 some people get mad at me,

00:28:31.120 Gordon.

00:28:31.340 I say there's certain things

00:28:32.880 that we can't make in America.

00:28:34.080 OK, we it's just

00:28:35.660 the truth of the matter.

00:28:36.500 There's things that we're

00:28:37.080 never going to be able

00:28:37.540 to make in America,

00:28:38.060 whether we don't have

00:28:39.020 the resources or whether

00:28:39.900 it'll be too expensive

00:28:40.900 for the consumer.

00:28:41.560 I get that.

00:28:42.460 And that's what

00:28:42.800 a world economy is for.

00:28:44.620 But there are things

00:28:45.780 that should be moved

00:28:46.960 out of China.

00:28:47.500 And that to me

00:28:48.320 rings like just about everything.

00:28:49.820 Yeah, well,

00:28:51.700 a couple of things.

00:28:53.020 The trend in manufacturing

00:28:54.920 is automation and AI.

00:28:57.220 And that means a robot

00:28:58.160 in Kentucky

00:28:59.320 is as cheap

00:29:00.940 as a robot

00:29:01.580 in Guangzhou,

00:29:02.920 which means that a lot

00:29:04.420 of stuff can come back

00:29:05.280 to the U.S.

00:29:05.780 And matter of fact,

00:29:06.660 New Balance is actually

00:29:07.620 making sneakers

00:29:08.600 and running shoes

00:29:09.720 in the U.S.

00:29:11.160 But, you know,

00:29:11.720 I understand your point.

00:29:13.320 For those things

00:29:14.340 that can't be made

00:29:15.440 in the U.S.

00:29:15.920 or won't be made

00:29:16.700 in the U.S.,

00:29:17.320 I'd like to see them

00:29:18.520 made in Central America.

00:29:20.420 You know,

00:29:20.740 if we stabilize

00:29:21.760 those societies

00:29:22.920 by bringing manufacturing

00:29:24.420 to Guatemala

00:29:25.500 and its neighbors,

00:29:27.220 it means that

00:29:28.160 Guatemalans and neighbors

00:29:29.520 are not going to be

00:29:30.500 trancing up through Mexico

00:29:32.260 to get into the U.S.

00:29:34.140 So, you know,

00:29:35.000 we stabilize

00:29:35.700 those societies.

00:29:36.760 We end up solving

00:29:38.440 our migration problem.

00:29:40.000 But also,

00:29:41.200 we solve

00:29:42.460 the China problem, too.

00:29:43.860 Yeah.

00:29:44.120 And we shorten

00:29:44.860 our supply lines,

00:29:46.000 which is going to be critical

00:29:46.920 because in a de-globalizing world

00:29:48.920 which is turbulent,

00:29:50.420 we can no longer

00:29:51.660 rely on the skies

00:29:53.020 and the seas

00:29:53.540 to be safe venues

00:29:54.760 for transportation.

00:29:56.240 So, let's get

00:29:57.300 the stuff

00:29:58.100 back into this hemisphere

00:29:59.780 if not into

00:30:00.900 the United States.

00:30:02.000 We can do it.

00:30:03.360 Yeah.

00:30:03.740 You're absolutely right.

00:30:04.480 You know,

00:30:04.660 I mentioned that

00:30:05.180 multiple times

00:30:05.820 in the show

00:30:06.360 about,

00:30:07.660 and I use textiles

00:30:08.740 as my example, right?

00:30:10.700 You know,

00:30:11.220 you're not going to be able

00:30:11.640 to make them in America.

00:30:12.780 It'll cost way too much.

00:30:14.060 Gildan is a company

00:30:15.120 that comes to mind.

00:30:15.760 They make very cheap T-shirts,

00:30:17.520 $1.25 a T-shirt.

00:30:18.960 There's no way in America

00:30:19.980 you're going to be able

00:30:20.480 to do that.

00:30:21.500 You'll be paying

00:30:22.020 double the price.

00:30:23.020 So, you know,

00:30:23.960 I'd mentioned that

00:30:24.520 and I had so much

00:30:25.480 blowback from people.

00:30:26.420 Why are we propping up

00:30:27.280 other people's economies?

00:30:28.580 Because you have to be

00:30:29.200 pragmatic and realistic.

00:30:30.740 Like I said,

00:30:31.320 there's certain things

00:30:32.060 you're never going

00:30:32.620 to come back here to do.

00:30:34.060 There's certain things

00:30:34.620 Americans are never 1.00

00:30:35.460 going to do.

00:30:36.240 Now,

00:30:36.840 the Democrats say,

00:30:38.540 well,

00:30:38.760 you can't get

00:30:39.260 anyone in America

00:30:40.760 to do that job.

00:30:41.880 It's true on some.

00:30:42.880 But on most,

00:30:44.520 with a livable wage,

00:30:46.500 people will do anything.

00:30:47.820 You go to a fast food joint,

00:30:49.140 right?

00:30:49.360 You go to 7-Eleven.

00:30:50.300 You go to Dunkin' Donuts.

00:30:51.380 Those people are making

00:30:52.140 minimum wage.

00:30:53.200 So if you get someone

00:30:54.420 to work that job,

00:30:55.440 who's to say

00:30:56.040 that they're not going

00:30:56.540 to go work another job

00:30:57.400 that'll make

00:30:57.800 three or four bucks

00:30:58.920 more an hour,

00:30:59.880 you know,

00:31:00.980 doing something

00:31:01.480 on an assembly line.

00:31:02.400 So the Democrats

00:31:03.160 are saying that

00:31:03.760 it's total,

00:31:04.360 total nonsense.

00:31:05.700 But I agree with you.

00:31:07.020 If we can let these people

00:31:08.960 grow their economy

00:31:09.640 down in Central America,

00:31:10.520 they won't be coming

00:31:11.120 to America.

00:31:12.320 People got to realize that.

00:31:13.800 And I'm not saying

00:31:14.440 give them billions of dollars,

00:31:16.220 but we gave Ukraine 0.88

00:31:19.820 billions of dollars

00:31:20.580 and got nothing for it.

00:31:22.180 You know,

00:31:22.380 you don't have to give

00:31:23.340 the guys a cent.

00:31:24.700 All you have,

00:31:25.420 all we have to do

00:31:26.260 is we got a free trade

00:31:27.200 agreement with the region.

00:31:28.100 It's called CAFTA-DR.

00:31:29.960 The DR part of it

00:31:30.920 is Dominican Republic,

00:31:31.820 by the way.

00:31:33.020 And all we have to do

00:31:34.420 is just liberalize

00:31:35.520 it a little bit

00:31:36.380 and factories

00:31:37.500 will come to Central America.

00:31:38.980 There's no American money

00:31:40.600 going down there,

00:31:41.500 but it is American business

00:31:43.140 setting up shop.

00:31:45.760 And that'll be good for us.

00:31:47.180 And we'll be selling them stuff

00:31:48.580 because people down there

00:31:49.660 will have more money.

00:31:51.080 So American companies

00:31:52.680 will actually do better

00:31:54.600 because we will be selling stuff.

00:31:56.600 It's the same thing

00:31:57.640 with President Trump's

00:31:58.840 Saudi Arabian trip.

00:32:00.620 We know part of it is,

00:32:01.580 yeah,

00:32:01.880 he got a lot of investment.

00:32:03.840 But the important part is

00:32:05.380 he's got American companies

00:32:07.420 selling stuff

00:32:08.500 to Saudi Arabia,

00:32:10.360 to these countries.

00:32:11.860 And that's good

00:32:12.720 for American workers.

00:32:20.180 Gordon,

00:32:20.700 let's turn to that.

00:32:21.340 Let's turn to President Trump's trip

00:32:22.860 that he just arrived

00:32:23.900 back home from

00:32:24.880 to the Middle East.

00:32:26.100 wildly successful.

00:32:28.520 The appreciation,

00:32:29.860 the respect that I saw

00:32:30.840 for this man

00:32:31.620 halfway across the world

00:32:34.360 in the Middle East

00:32:35.220 is not one that I've ever seen

00:32:37.620 even back here at home,

00:32:39.520 which is sort of nostalgic

00:32:41.400 a little bit,

00:32:42.180 in my opinion.

00:32:43.360 Pretty absolutely wild.

00:32:46.160 Your first year reaction

00:32:47.520 to President Trump's reception

00:32:49.220 on the world stage there

00:32:50.660 and how America is so back.

00:32:52.900 Yeah,

00:32:54.140 this was 100% victory

00:32:55.500 for President Trump.

00:32:57.900 Just to put this in context,

00:33:00.200 Trump during his first term

00:33:01.560 had historic wins

00:33:03.640 in the Middle East

00:33:04.500 with the four Abraham Accords,

00:33:06.940 two in the Middle East,

00:33:08.800 two in nearby North Africa.

00:33:10.900 These were,

00:33:12.060 he should have won

00:33:12.600 the Nobel Peace Prize for it.

00:33:14.860 You have Joe Biden

00:33:16.240 during the 2020 campaign.

00:33:19.020 He promised to make

00:33:20.480 Saudi Arabia a pariah 1.00

00:33:22.600 over the grisly murder

00:33:24.320 of Jamal Khashoggi

00:33:25.540 in the Saudi consulate

00:33:26.780 in Istanbul in 2018.

00:33:29.260 And yes,

00:33:30.320 America should say

00:33:32.100 something about it.

00:33:33.140 But the question is,

00:33:34.380 should we have allowed

00:33:36.060 the Chinese and the Russians 0.53

00:33:37.180 and the Iranians 0.89

00:33:38.020 to take over the Middle East 0.98

00:33:39.120 over the murder

00:33:40.340 of one individual?

00:33:41.940 And the answer to that

00:33:43.100 is definitely not.

00:33:45.380 So what we saw last week

00:33:47.460 was President Trump

00:33:48.660 remaking the Middle East. 0.97

00:33:50.900 Sorry for being

00:33:51.640 a little bit long,

00:33:52.220 but I just want to put

00:33:52.920 this in context.

00:33:54.980 Prior to Trump's trip,

00:33:56.260 prior to Trump's inauguration

00:33:58.140 for the second time,

00:33:59.580 China looked like 0.99

00:34:00.220 it was taking over.

00:34:01.760 In March of 2023,

00:34:03.780 it brokered that historic deal

00:34:05.580 between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

00:34:07.780 And in July of last year,

00:34:09.960 it brokered the Beijing Declaration,

00:34:12.600 which was 14 Palestinian groups

00:34:16.220 uniting.

00:34:16.700 It really looked like

00:34:17.980 China was dominated 0.96

00:34:19.800 in the Middle East.

00:34:21.120 Well, China is no more

00:34:22.600 in the Middle East.

00:34:23.660 And we saw this last week

00:34:25.460 with President Trump's trip.

00:34:26.880 This was really,

00:34:28.640 really historic.

00:34:30.020 We cemented friendships

00:34:31.040 that we've had

00:34:32.280 for a long time.

00:34:33.560 We boxed out the Chinese 1.00

00:34:35.260 and the Russians.

00:34:36.480 We gave Syria a chance

00:34:37.980 to become a successful society.

00:34:41.560 We had all of these deals

00:34:43.700 for investment into the U.S.

00:34:45.340 and all of the deals

00:34:47.180 for Americans

00:34:48.000 to sell stuff

00:34:49.140 to the region.

00:34:50.360 So this was

00:34:52.420 unbelievably successful.

00:34:55.440 The trillions of dollars

00:34:56.740 in investments,

00:34:57.720 that's coming to American companies,

00:34:59.460 as you mentioned.

00:35:00.020 It's going to Boeing.

00:35:00.900 It's going to various companies

00:35:02.360 across America.

00:35:03.140 It's not the U.S. government

00:35:04.340 bringing in $5 trillion,

00:35:06.820 although that would be nice

00:35:07.760 because we can just pay that

00:35:08.620 down towards the debt, right?

00:35:09.740 Or we can send everybody

00:35:11.120 a stimulus check.

00:35:12.500 Whatever is easier, right, Gordon?

00:35:13.600 Whatever is better

00:35:14.680 for the American person's pocket.

00:35:17.320 Of course, I'm being facetious

00:35:18.920 about the stimulus checks.

00:35:20.780 But it's going towards

00:35:22.500 American plants.

00:35:24.700 Now, one of the companies

00:35:26.140 that's going,

00:35:26.860 getting some money,

00:35:27.700 is Boeing.

00:35:28.200 And Boeing hasn't exactly,

00:35:30.540 you mentioned C's before,

00:35:32.920 had smooth C's,

00:35:34.020 no pun intended,

00:35:34.960 for their air travel.

00:35:35.980 But they, I mean,

00:35:37.080 the company is completely

00:35:38.240 in turmoil.

00:35:40.120 You'd think you'd have

00:35:40.960 an aerospace company

00:35:41.940 run by an engineer.

00:35:43.120 You have it run by,

00:35:43.980 I think he's a lawyer

00:35:44.800 or a businessman.

00:35:46.460 The place is just

00:35:47.400 totally upside down.

00:35:49.020 Stories and stories and stories.

00:35:50.820 Air Force One,

00:35:51.440 that President Trump ordered,

00:35:52.900 unable to deliver.

00:35:54.260 Taking years and years,

00:35:55.540 I understand it's probably

00:35:56.320 the most sophisticated plane

00:35:57.280 in the world to build,

00:35:59.080 but there's no excuse,

00:36:01.680 in my opinion.

00:36:02.480 Airliner 737 Max's.

00:36:04.680 Can't seem to get it together.

00:36:05.720 As a pilot myself,

00:36:06.820 I don't understand

00:36:08.460 how they developed

00:36:09.560 something so stupid. 0.79

00:36:11.580 And I think that's probably

00:36:12.780 the opinion of many other people.

00:36:15.540 Well, you put your finger on it,

00:36:16.780 that, you know,

00:36:17.340 once the company is run

00:36:18.360 by engineers,

00:36:19.040 when it moved headquarters

00:36:20.640 to Chicago,

00:36:21.460 it put finance people in charge,

00:36:22.960 and then things went kablooey.

00:36:25.060 Right.

00:36:26.260 And that's, I mean,

00:36:27.460 that's the general consensus.

00:36:28.700 In America right now,

00:36:29.900 we had a career politician

00:36:31.840 after career politician

00:36:32.800 as presidents.

00:36:33.500 We've had a lawyer

00:36:35.500 running the Federal Reserve.

00:36:37.720 And, you know,

00:36:38.380 you sit here and you're like,

00:36:39.200 well, there's no reason

00:36:40.860 why you should wonder

00:36:41.760 why things don't work.

00:36:43.720 Because you have

00:36:44.460 the wrong people running them.

00:36:45.740 It's like having a lawyer

00:36:47.400 going to do surgery

00:36:48.840 on someone

00:36:49.580 to do a heart transplant.

00:36:51.400 You know,

00:36:52.080 it makes zero sense.

00:36:53.400 But nonetheless,

00:36:54.500 the companies that are getting it,

00:36:56.260 Boeing,

00:36:56.620 I think among

00:36:57.100 one of the biggest ones.

00:36:58.120 The reason I mentioned

00:36:59.720 Boeing, Gordon,

00:37:00.800 is because President Trump,

00:37:01.880 while he was over there,

00:37:02.920 is being gifted,

00:37:04.220 or the Department of Justice,

00:37:05.420 I should say,

00:37:06.320 is being gifted

00:37:06.920 a 747 aircraft

00:37:08.220 once used

00:37:09.480 by the Qatari government.

00:37:10.960 And people are going

00:37:12.100 absolutely insane.

00:37:13.340 Now, I'm not entirely sure

00:37:14.340 why I stand on it.

00:37:15.140 Is it safe

00:37:15.640 for President Trump

00:37:16.300 to use?

00:37:16.960 I don't know.

00:37:19.700 You know,

00:37:20.240 I don't pretend

00:37:20.740 to be one of these people

00:37:22.300 running a Federal Reserve

00:37:23.260 where I speak about things

00:37:24.640 over my pay grade.

00:37:25.500 But that's something

00:37:26.840 for the U.S. government

00:37:27.560 to decide,

00:37:28.200 not the mainstream media,

00:37:29.380 not the corporatist

00:37:30.200 mainstream media,

00:37:31.520 and not Joe Scarborough.

00:37:33.840 Well, yeah.

00:37:36.100 Like a lot of people,

00:37:37.180 I'm not happy

00:37:37.800 with the gift

00:37:38.760 of the 747.

00:37:41.040 Oh,

00:37:41.500 you logged out there.

00:37:43.280 You lagged out there.

00:37:44.000 So just take it

00:37:44.480 from the top.

00:37:45.660 Yeah.

00:37:46.700 Like many people,

00:37:47.720 I'm not entirely happy

00:37:49.280 with the gift

00:37:49.920 of the 747

00:37:51.020 from Qatar.

00:37:53.200 And the reason is

00:37:54.400 Qatar is a very 1.00

00:37:56.300 controversial country.

00:37:58.200 It is a proxy

00:37:59.120 for Iran.

00:38:00.380 Iran often acts 1.00

00:38:01.560 as a proxy

00:38:02.140 for China.

00:38:04.040 Qatar is trying 0.99

00:38:05.120 to flood

00:38:06.060 the U.S.

00:38:06.540 with money.

00:38:07.420 I like the idea

00:38:08.780 that President Trump

00:38:09.620 went to Qatar.

00:38:10.960 I like it because

00:38:11.960 he's trying to win

00:38:13.120 Qatar away 1.00

00:38:14.100 from Iran,

00:38:15.000 and that's really

00:38:15.860 important to strip 0.77

00:38:16.800 away Iran's friends. 0.88

00:38:18.820 But taking the plane

00:38:20.280 is probably going

00:38:21.960 to cause some

00:38:22.740 heartache for him

00:38:24.040 later on,

00:38:24.740 for President Trump

00:38:25.580 later on.

00:38:26.400 It's a complicated subject.

00:38:28.920 It is not as bad

00:38:30.320 as most critics say.

00:38:31.980 It's just,

00:38:32.740 I think,

00:38:33.400 ill-advised

00:38:34.580 at this very sensitive

00:38:36.220 period in relations

00:38:37.680 in the Middle East.

00:38:39.540 Let's speak hypothetically

00:38:40.720 for a second.

00:38:41.460 Is it

00:38:41.740 just as bad,

00:38:44.360 worse,

00:38:44.680 or the same

00:38:45.400 as shipping

00:38:46.860 Iran

00:38:48.840 millions and millions

00:38:50.540 of dollars

00:38:50.960 in unmarked cash?

00:38:52.460 Oh,

00:38:52.700 well,

00:38:52.860 it's clearly

00:38:53.360 not that bad.

00:38:55.240 We're talking

00:38:56.000 hypothetically speaking,

00:38:57.440 of course.

00:38:58.100 Very different

00:38:59.160 league,

00:39:00.220 because

00:39:00.420 that money

00:39:03.360 was shipped

00:39:03.940 in cash,

00:39:05.400 literally,

00:39:06.540 bills,

00:39:07.560 which was used

00:39:08.500 probably for

00:39:09.800 terrorism,

00:39:10.780 used to attack

00:39:11.880 the United States.

00:39:13.780 That was wrong

00:39:15.500 on every level.

00:39:17.240 And what you can

00:39:17.840 generally say

00:39:18.500 about President Biden's

00:39:20.540 and President Obama's

00:39:21.760 policies toward Iran.

00:39:23.600 It was one disaster

00:39:24.700 after another.

00:39:25.940 President Trump

00:39:26.500 in his first term,

00:39:27.860 he put Iran 0.52

00:39:28.800 back in his place

00:39:29.760 with the Soleimani

00:39:30.760 killing.

00:39:31.820 And that was

00:39:32.540 a really good thing.

00:39:34.040 It made Iran 1.00

00:39:35.000 think twice.

00:39:36.100 Iran was quiet

00:39:37.160 after that.

00:39:38.960 And what we saw

00:39:40.260 during the

00:39:41.240 Biden administration

00:39:42.120 was really,

00:39:44.040 really bad.

00:39:44.780 There's something

00:39:45.240 really bad about it

00:39:46.100 that most people

00:39:46.540 don't talk about.

00:39:47.360 remember that

00:39:48.300 9-11 deal

00:39:49.660 that Biden

00:39:50.500 came to

00:39:51.320 with Iran?

00:39:53.880 Iran,

00:39:54.640 Biden gave

00:39:56.260 clemency

00:39:56.920 to five

00:39:57.640 Iranian operatives

00:39:58.960 as part of

00:39:59.660 that arrangement.

00:40:00.800 And he let

00:40:01.480 three of them

00:40:02.280 stay in the U.S. 0.99

00:40:03.320 at a time

00:40:04.060 when the U.S.

00:40:04.980 government

00:40:05.260 knew that

00:40:06.020 Iranian operatives

00:40:07.180 on U.S. soil

00:40:08.340 were trying

00:40:09.420 to assassinate

00:40:10.460 former

00:40:11.220 Trump officials,

00:40:12.980 including

00:40:13.600 former Secretary

00:40:15.380 of State

00:40:15.760 Mike Pompeo,

00:40:17.200 including

00:40:17.540 some of

00:40:18.580 his

00:40:19.000 subordinates

00:40:19.840 in the State

00:40:20.360 Department

00:40:20.760 and including

00:40:22.060 President Trump

00:40:23.080 himself.

00:40:25.220 This was

00:40:26.100 just

00:40:26.580 indefensible.

00:40:29.540 But anyway.

00:40:31.400 So you mentioned,

00:40:32.600 you know,

00:40:33.460 obviously there's

00:40:34.360 some questionable

00:40:34.820 things about Qatar.

00:40:36.140 But Gordon,

00:40:36.820 there's questionable

00:40:37.240 things about

00:40:37.700 every single country.

00:40:38.680 How about America?

00:40:39.400 Let's talk about

00:40:40.140 us here at home,

00:40:41.300 right?

00:40:42.280 Our friend

00:40:42.760 Tony Schaefer

00:40:43.420 was working

00:40:43.860 on an operation

00:40:44.720 back in 2001,

00:40:46.260 early 2001,

00:40:47.720 where he warned

00:40:48.280 the U.S.

00:40:48.700 government that

00:40:49.260 there was probably

00:40:50.080 going to be

00:40:50.400 a 9-11-style attack.

00:40:52.000 There was other

00:40:52.500 operations that

00:40:53.260 warned that

00:40:53.680 the exact

00:40:54.340 9-11 attack.

00:40:55.380 Somehow Alex

00:40:56.060 Jones knew

00:40:57.060 exactly how

00:40:57.680 9-11 was going

00:40:58.440 to play out,

00:40:59.380 okay?

00:41:00.240 How about

00:41:00.840 Afghanistan?

00:41:01.580 What we did

00:41:01.940 to Afghanistan?

00:41:02.640 How about

00:41:02.880 what we did

00:41:03.320 to Iraq?

00:41:04.020 How about

00:41:04.280 what we did

00:41:04.700 to Syria?

00:41:05.340 So we can't

00:41:06.520 sit here as

00:41:07.120 Americans and

00:41:07.840 point fingers

00:41:08.340 and say,

00:41:08.740 you guys are

00:41:09.160 bad,

00:41:09.380 you guys are

00:41:09.820 bad,

00:41:10.040 when all

00:41:11.080 America's

00:41:11.640 done for

00:41:11.980 the last

00:41:12.300 25 years

00:41:13.020 is undermine

00:41:13.460 people's

00:41:13.980 democracy,

00:41:14.980 destroy

00:41:15.280 countries,

00:41:16.460 kill our

00:41:16.920 own people,

00:41:17.980 possibly,

00:41:19.120 and almost

00:41:20.760 have a former

00:41:21.600 president and

00:41:22.480 presidential front

00:41:23.180 runner be

00:41:23.700 assassinated twice,

00:41:25.880 still not knowing

00:41:27.080 who took shots

00:41:28.460 at him,

00:41:28.760 still not knowing

00:41:29.760 anything about

00:41:30.340 this man who

00:41:31.060 was a Ukraine

00:41:32.000 henchman who

00:41:33.860 was going back

00:41:34.560 and forth to

00:41:35.860 Ukraine,

00:41:36.480 you know,

00:41:37.760 doing peace

00:41:38.320 missions,

00:41:39.620 and we

00:41:39.840 sit here

00:41:40.180 and we're

00:41:40.400 like,

00:41:40.740 you know,

00:41:41.180 America's

00:41:41.660 holier than

00:41:42.240 thou.

00:41:42.480 Now,

00:41:42.580 I'm not

00:41:42.780 saying this

00:41:43.120 towards you,

00:41:43.460 but I'm

00:41:43.660 saying it

00:41:44.020 towards the

00:41:44.400 general people

00:41:44.960 who are

00:41:45.180 like,

00:41:45.720 well,

00:41:45.820 Saudi Arabia

00:41:46.340 is a bad

00:41:46.740 country,

00:41:47.280 or Qatar

00:41:48.000 is a bad

00:41:48.540 country,

00:41:48.920 or the

00:41:49.180 UAEs.

00:41:50.280 I mean,

00:41:50.580 you have

00:41:50.760 people out

00:41:51.220 there calling

00:41:51.760 every

00:41:52.380 Qatari,

00:41:52.900 every Saudi

00:41:53.340 a terrorist.

00:41:54.340 That's not

00:41:54.740 the truth.

00:41:55.140 That's not

00:41:55.500 the truth,

00:41:55.920 Gordon.

00:41:56.980 Right.

00:41:57.120 It's not

00:41:57.440 the truth,

00:41:57.960 and it's

00:41:58.660 almost beside

00:41:59.920 the point.

00:42:00.580 And the

00:42:00.720 reason is,

00:42:01.760 you know,

00:42:08.320 it's a thing

00:42:09.020 like the

00:42:09.600 Khashoggi 0.97

00:42:10.020 murder.

00:42:11.100 It was

00:42:11.820 grotesque,

00:42:13.180 it was

00:42:13.400 grisly,

00:42:14.160 it was

00:42:14.780 just,

00:42:16.100 you know,

00:42:17.280 but that

00:42:18.940 is some

00:42:20.600 time ago,

00:42:21.220 and right

00:42:21.640 now we've

00:42:22.120 got to

00:42:22.300 worry about

00:42:22.700 the Chinese

00:42:23.180 and the

00:42:23.500 Russians

00:42:23.760 taking over

00:42:24.420 the Middle

00:42:24.780 East.

00:42:25.660 And what

00:42:25.940 President

00:42:26.300 Trump did

00:42:26.920 is,

00:42:27.300 you know,

00:42:27.480 sometimes

00:42:27.740 you have

00:42:28.180 to forget

00:42:28.840 what happened

00:42:29.400 in the

00:42:29.660 past.

00:42:30.620 And I'm

00:42:31.340 not saying

00:42:31.920 it's nice

00:42:32.720 or I'm

00:42:33.040 not saying

00:42:33.420 it's pretty,

00:42:34.420 but it's

00:42:34.800 more important

00:42:35.540 for the

00:42:36.260 protection of

00:42:37.120 the American

00:42:37.580 people.

00:42:38.320 And for

00:42:38.820 the protection

00:42:39.340 of the

00:42:39.740 world that

00:42:40.680 we come

00:42:41.120 to terms

00:42:41.560 with Saudi

00:42:42.100 Arabia and

00:42:43.040 not the

00:42:43.560 Chinese.

00:42:44.120 Because I

00:42:44.400 know that

00:42:44.800 if the

00:42:45.040 Chinese are

00:42:45.580 going to

00:42:45.900 do that,

00:42:46.980 there's going

00:42:47.320 to be a

00:42:47.740 world of

00:42:48.280 hurt because

00:42:48.900 we're going

00:42:49.240 to see

00:42:49.560 nuclear

00:42:50.040 weapons that

00:42:51.660 the Chinese

00:42:52.140 are going

00:42:52.460 to give

00:42:52.820 to the

00:42:53.180 Saudis like 1.00

00:42:54.080 they gave

00:42:54.520 them to

00:42:54.880 the Iranians.

00:42:56.640 And we're

00:42:57.600 going to be

00:42:58.000 in a world

00:42:58.640 of hurt.

00:42:59.200 So I'm

00:43:00.000 glad that

00:43:00.580 President

00:43:00.900 Trump is

00:43:01.680 willing to

00:43:02.200 forget what

00:43:02.840 happened.

00:43:03.720 I mean,

00:43:04.860 it's

00:43:06.620 complicated,

00:43:07.280 but we live

00:43:07.860 in a

00:43:08.120 world which

00:43:08.680 isn't perfect

00:43:09.460 and we've

00:43:09.840 got to

00:43:10.040 make decisions

00:43:11.020 which don't

00:43:11.980 sometimes

00:43:12.700 satisfy everybody.

00:43:14.440 But those

00:43:14.920 are decisions

00:43:15.480 that have

00:43:16.320 to be made

00:43:16.940 and President

00:43:17.440 Trump has

00:43:17.960 made them.

00:43:19.140 So what does

00:43:19.920 it mean?

00:43:20.300 What does this

00:43:20.900 deal mean now

00:43:21.620 for the rest

00:43:22.160 of the world?

00:43:22.840 What does it

00:43:23.240 mean for

00:43:24.420 stabilization in

00:43:25.540 the Middle

00:43:25.840 East?

00:43:26.260 What does it

00:43:26.540 mean for

00:43:26.840 destabilization

00:43:27.660 with China

00:43:28.260 and Russia

00:43:28.900 with President

00:43:29.940 Trump pulling

00:43:31.120 these three

00:43:31.800 nations closer

00:43:32.760 together to

00:43:33.500 America to

00:43:34.860 now push Iran 1.00

00:43:35.680 out, to push

00:43:36.380 China out? 0.89

00:43:36.880 What does

00:43:37.160 that mean

00:43:37.480 for the

00:43:37.780 world?

00:43:38.120 What does

00:43:38.380 it mean

00:43:38.560 for America?

00:43:39.940 Well, it

00:43:40.780 means that

00:43:41.700 potentially a

00:43:42.900 volatile part

00:43:43.600 of the world

00:43:44.080 becomes stabilized.

00:43:45.560 I'll give you

00:43:45.980 an example.

00:43:48.260 The president

00:43:49.160 of Syria

00:43:50.060 is a former

00:43:51.120 militant.

00:43:52.980 Actually, he

00:43:53.600 was, we had a

00:43:54.620 bounty on his

00:43:55.240 head.

00:43:56.040 We actually

00:43:56.660 detained him.

00:43:57.660 He was part

00:43:58.180 of Al-Qaeda.

00:43:59.360 But now he's

00:44:00.160 the president

00:44:00.680 of Syria and

00:44:01.680 he wants to

00:44:02.700 keep the

00:44:03.220 Chinese out 1.00

00:44:04.060 of Syria

00:44:04.560 and he

00:44:05.240 wants Syria 1.00

00:44:06.600 to be

00:44:07.340 modeled on

00:44:08.520 the United

00:44:08.980 States.

00:44:09.780 He's not

00:44:10.200 asking for

00:44:11.040 American aid.

00:44:11.920 What he

00:44:12.180 wants is

00:44:12.700 American

00:44:13.200 commerce.

00:44:14.260 He wants

00:44:14.660 American

00:44:15.340 investment.

00:44:16.540 He wants

00:44:16.920 to model

00:44:17.460 his government

00:44:18.200 after our

00:44:19.520 government.

00:44:20.680 Now, one

00:44:21.920 could say,

00:44:23.000 well, you

00:44:23.480 know, once a

00:44:24.140 terrorist, always

00:44:24.880 a terrorist.

00:44:25.680 But the point

00:44:26.260 is, Syria

00:44:27.100 now has an

00:44:28.060 historic

00:44:28.460 opportunity to

00:44:29.700 go from

00:44:30.180 being a

00:44:31.060 totalitarian

00:44:31.860 hellhole under

00:44:32.840 the Assads

00:44:33.680 to a failed

00:44:35.400 state to

00:44:36.520 now becoming

00:44:37.440 a miracle.

00:44:38.800 And that is

00:44:39.220 because the

00:44:39.840 United States

00:44:40.700 can do this.

00:44:42.420 Just one more

00:44:43.260 point.

00:44:44.520 The president

00:44:45.320 of Syria,

00:44:46.340 his name is

00:44:46.820 Ahmed Al-Shara,

00:44:49.080 he said to

00:44:50.480 a friend of

00:44:51.000 mine two

00:44:51.620 weeks ago,

00:44:52.380 he said,

00:44:52.940 I want to

00:44:53.960 be like

00:44:54.460 Japan or 0.76

00:44:55.380 Germany.

00:44:55.960 I don't

00:44:56.360 want to be

00:44:56.780 like Iraq 0.99

00:44:57.620 or Afghanistan.

00:44:59.420 What he

00:44:59.680 was, Shara

00:45:00.340 was saying

00:45:00.960 was that

00:45:01.620 American

00:45:02.160 business

00:45:02.760 followed the

00:45:03.440 American

00:45:03.860 military into

00:45:04.800 Japan and

00:45:05.440 Germany.

00:45:06.600 And through

00:45:07.040 the miracle

00:45:07.780 of business,

00:45:08.480 we transformed

00:45:09.560 those countries

00:45:10.500 or those

00:45:11.160 countries

00:45:11.520 transformed

00:45:12.160 themselves.

00:45:13.580 American

00:45:14.140 business

00:45:14.600 didn't go

00:45:15.340 into Iraq

00:45:16.140 and Afghanistan.

00:45:17.400 And we

00:45:17.620 know what

00:45:17.980 the result

00:45:18.440 of that

00:45:18.760 is.

00:45:19.580 So Shara,

00:45:20.240 I think,

00:45:20.800 is clearly

00:45:21.720 putting his

00:45:22.240 country on

00:45:22.740 the right

00:45:23.100 path.

00:45:23.540 We ought

00:45:23.740 to give

00:45:23.980 him a

00:45:24.240 chance.

00:45:25.060 President

00:45:25.280 Trump did

00:45:25.760 something

00:45:26.080 historic in

00:45:27.360 Riyadh

00:45:28.200 when he

00:45:28.600 met

00:45:29.000 Shara.

00:45:29.500 this was

00:45:31.220 really,

00:45:31.860 really

00:45:32.020 important.

00:45:32.720 And Trump

00:45:33.040 is now

00:45:33.680 lifting the

00:45:34.820 sanctions on

00:45:35.800 Syria,

00:45:36.260 which were

00:45:36.720 Assad-era 0.80

00:45:37.820 sanctions and

00:45:38.580 really no

00:45:39.060 longer make

00:45:39.660 sense.

00:45:39.980 He's giving

00:45:40.840 that country

00:45:41.460 an opportunity

00:45:42.220 to become

00:45:43.480 like America. 0.54

00:45:45.140 That's what's

00:45:45.740 at stake.

00:45:46.660 And that's

00:45:47.140 the reason

00:45:47.580 why,

00:45:48.480 although,

00:45:49.260 yes,

00:45:49.580 Saudi Arabia

00:45:50.320 and a couple

00:45:51.880 of these

00:45:52.100 countries were

00:45:53.120 breeding

00:45:53.420 terrorists, 0.70

00:45:53.900 we need

00:45:55.100 to wean

00:45:55.740 them away

00:45:56.300 from doing

00:45:56.900 that,

00:45:57.260 because this

00:45:57.920 is what

00:45:58.400 is at

00:45:59.000 stake.

00:46:00.280 Yeah,

00:46:00.580 a stabilized

00:46:01.020 Middle East

00:46:01.580 means stabilization

00:46:02.940 for the rest

00:46:04.060 of the world.

00:46:04.800 And these

00:46:05.960 nations around

00:46:06.700 the world

00:46:07.360 should understand

00:46:08.280 that more

00:46:09.240 countries and

00:46:09.880 nations in

00:46:10.320 America can pull

00:46:10.860 closer to us

00:46:11.620 deters our two

00:46:12.760 biggest adversaries,

00:46:13.680 China and Russia.

00:46:14.840 President Trump

00:46:15.420 speaking with

00:46:15.960 Vladimir Putin

00:46:16.600 earlier this

00:46:17.280 morning about

00:46:18.600 ending that

00:46:19.080 war,

00:46:19.620 and Netanyahu

00:46:21.220 now says he

00:46:22.440 has a plan with

00:46:23.100 hostage releases

00:46:23.820 to maybe end

00:46:24.640 that war over

00:46:25.500 there.

00:46:26.940 The notion

00:46:27.680 that anyone

00:46:28.200 would be

00:46:28.580 against world

00:46:29.320 peace and

00:46:30.000 ending these

00:46:31.160 wars of the

00:46:31.720 Middle East

00:46:31.980 is so idiotic

00:46:32.940 to me,

00:46:33.260 Gordon.

00:46:33.780 But there

00:46:34.180 are people

00:46:34.600 out there

00:46:35.140 who,

00:46:36.460 like Senator

00:46:37.040 Lindsey Graham,

00:46:37.720 for example,

00:46:38.780 are stoking

00:46:39.500 the fire,

00:46:40.220 stoking the

00:46:40.720 fire as

00:46:41.260 President Trump

00:46:41.780 is over

00:46:42.060 there,

00:46:42.600 undermining

00:46:43.300 what he's

00:46:43.760 doing.

00:46:45.280 It makes

00:46:46.000 no sense.

00:46:46.720 And you've

00:46:47.140 got people

00:46:47.580 out there

00:46:47.960 saying,

00:46:48.340 well,

00:46:48.620 take it to

00:46:49.080 the Senate.

00:46:49.520 Let the

00:46:50.020 Senate make

00:46:50.540 a decision

00:46:51.040 on what we

00:46:52.040 should do

00:46:52.320 with Iran.

00:46:52.740 Let the

00:46:53.180 Senate make

00:46:53.640 a decision

00:46:54.140 on codifying

00:46:56.160 a deal,

00:46:56.660 a treaty

00:46:57.120 with Iran.

00:46:58.420 In my opinion,

00:46:58.960 that would be

00:46:59.120 the dumbest

00:46:59.580 thing because

00:46:59.960 of how many

00:47:00.380 people in

00:47:00.800 that Senate,

00:47:01.380 Gordon,

00:47:01.960 are paid

00:47:02.560 by the

00:47:02.840 military-industrial

00:47:03.740 complex.

00:47:04.360 Yeah,

00:47:06.540 well,

00:47:06.980 we'll see

00:47:08.580 how this

00:47:08.940 works out.

00:47:09.540 But the

00:47:09.800 one thing

00:47:10.240 about

00:47:10.640 President Trump's

00:47:12.160 trip through

00:47:12.820 those three

00:47:13.380 countries in

00:47:13.920 the Middle

00:47:14.160 East was

00:47:14.880 that he

00:47:15.800 was,

00:47:16.860 and then

00:47:17.580 with his

00:47:18.140 diplomacy with

00:47:19.120 regard to

00:47:19.520 Syria,

00:47:20.280 he was

00:47:20.900 essentially

00:47:21.460 isolating

00:47:22.780 Tehran.

00:47:25.040 And I think

00:47:25.600 that essentially

00:47:26.080 what's happened

00:47:26.720 is,

00:47:27.420 you know,

00:47:27.700 I don't know

00:47:28.240 if there's a

00:47:28.700 possibility for

00:47:29.620 a deal with

00:47:30.360 Iran on its 0.96

00:47:31.280 nuclear weapons

00:47:32.220 program,

00:47:33.200 but there

00:47:33.700 is the,

00:47:35.240 you know,

00:47:35.580 what President

00:47:36.300 Trump is doing

00:47:37.000 is he's

00:47:37.460 increasing the

00:47:38.260 likelihood that

00:47:39.340 he'll be able

00:47:39.940 to get to

00:47:40.600 an acceptable

00:47:41.320 outcome.

00:47:42.700 Because once

00:47:43.840 you break

00:47:44.560 Saudi Arabia's

00:47:45.800 connection with

00:47:46.620 Iran,

00:47:47.460 once you get

00:47:48.020 Syria away 0.99

00:47:48.900 from Iran,

00:47:50.060 once you get

00:47:50.680 Qatar away 1.00

00:47:51.520 from Iran,

00:47:52.940 that's a

00:47:53.520 really good

00:47:54.280 thing.

00:47:54.600 I'm not saying

00:47:55.180 it will happen,

00:47:56.100 I'm saying

00:47:56.580 Trump is trying

00:47:57.380 to make it

00:47:57.860 happen.

00:47:58.540 This is really

00:47:59.500 good diplomacy,

00:48:00.640 we'll have to

00:48:01.240 see how it

00:48:01.760 works out.

00:48:02.780 But I like

00:48:03.660 what I'm

00:48:04.280 seeing right

00:48:04.860 now,

00:48:05.200 because President

00:48:05.800 Trump is on

00:48:06.380 the right course

00:48:07.000 in the Middle

00:48:07.380 East,

00:48:07.920 again,

00:48:08.720 in his first

00:48:09.340 term and

00:48:10.160 his second

00:48:10.520 term.

00:48:12.580 Before we

00:48:13.220 wrap up

00:48:13.680 here,

00:48:14.680 we'll give

00:48:15.000 it the next,

00:48:15.540 before the end

00:48:16.280 of the year,

00:48:16.840 so before the

00:48:17.360 turn to,

00:48:17.900 what are we,

00:48:18.200 in 2020?

00:48:18.880 Before 2026,

00:48:20.680 do you believe

00:48:21.300 we have an

00:48:21.760 end to the

00:48:22.360 Russia-Ukraine

00:48:23.320 fight?

00:48:23.720 Do you think

00:48:24.060 we have an

00:48:24.440 end and a

00:48:25.140 solution to

00:48:26.680 Gaza and

00:48:29.800 Israel? 0.53

00:48:31.060 Do you think

00:48:31.560 we have an

00:48:32.080 end to

00:48:32.860 Iran and

00:48:34.060 America?

00:48:35.620 Ukraine,

00:48:36.200 no,

00:48:36.620 Gaza,

00:48:37.120 maybe Iran?

00:48:40.220 I don't

00:48:41.320 know.

00:48:42.620 Why are you

00:48:43.500 pessimistic on

00:48:44.700 Ukraine?

00:48:45.660 Ukraine?

00:48:45.740 I don't

00:48:48.620 think that

00:48:49.440 Putin is

00:48:50.620 willing to

00:48:51.060 make peace.

00:48:53.060 And the

00:48:54.160 thing I'm

00:48:54.620 concerned about,

00:48:55.600 John,

00:48:56.080 is that if

00:48:58.300 we recognize

00:48:59.400 that Russia 0.72

00:49:00.840 can annex

00:49:01.800 territory by

00:49:02.900 force,

00:49:04.360 Putin's not

00:49:05.240 going to

00:49:05.520 stop in

00:49:06.180 Europe,

00:49:06.860 and the

00:49:07.900 Chinese are

00:49:08.440 going to

00:49:08.660 see it,

00:49:09.140 and they're

00:49:09.520 going to

00:49:09.760 say,

00:49:10.300 well,

00:49:10.800 the United

00:49:11.140 States agreed

00:49:11.920 to a

00:49:12.360 Munich-type

00:49:12.880 deal, so

00:49:13.840 they'll flop

00:49:15.140 when it

00:49:15.540 comes to

00:49:16.080 Taiwan or

00:49:16.840 Philippines or

00:49:17.840 whatever.

00:49:19.120 We've got to

00:49:19.500 understand that

00:49:20.160 these Iran,

00:49:21.460 you know,

00:49:21.840 you've got

00:49:22.240 Xi Jinping and

00:49:23.280 Vladimir Putin

00:49:23.980 are very

00:49:24.640 close.

00:49:25.220 They're working

00:49:25.640 together.

00:49:26.700 Russia wouldn't 0.97

00:49:27.180 be in the

00:49:27.580 war were it

00:49:28.180 not for

00:49:28.560 China.

00:49:29.040 This is

00:49:29.640 like a

00:49:30.140 Chinese proxy

00:49:30.860 war.

00:49:32.260 And I

00:49:33.240 know people

00:49:33.660 don't want

00:49:34.040 to hear

00:49:34.280 this,

00:49:35.660 but Munich

00:49:38.340 didn't work

00:49:38.960 in 1938,

00:49:39.840 and I

00:49:40.920 don't think

00:49:41.400 that any

00:49:41.900 deal that

00:49:42.520 allows Russia 0.97

00:49:43.260 to keep

00:49:43.620 territory is

00:49:44.400 going to

00:49:44.620 work either.

00:49:46.020 But what do

00:49:46.640 you say to

00:49:46.940 the people,

00:49:47.380 Gordon,

00:49:47.660 who say

00:49:48.260 wasn't every

00:49:49.340 single piece

00:49:49.840 of land

00:49:50.280 that was

00:49:50.940 ever taken

00:49:51.340 in this

00:49:51.560 world taken

00:49:51.960 by force?

00:49:53.520 It wasn't.

00:49:54.360 There have

00:49:54.780 been negotiated

00:49:55.540 settlements.

00:49:58.180 That's just

00:49:58.980 not true.

00:50:00.460 Countries have

00:50:01.140 agreed to

00:50:02.020 do this.

00:50:02.640 If you

00:50:03.080 recognize that

00:50:04.160 aggression can

00:50:05.260 be legitimized,

00:50:06.940 you go down

00:50:07.660 a very bad

00:50:09.120 path.

00:50:09.840 That's what

00:50:10.380 happened in

00:50:10.920 1938.

00:50:12.380 It's just

00:50:13.060 very, very

00:50:13.800 clear.

00:50:15.020 What do you

00:50:15.300 say to the

00:50:15.920 people on the

00:50:17.900 side who

00:50:18.240 say that

00:50:18.720 Russia has 0.96

00:50:20.440 the rights

00:50:20.860 to that

00:50:21.280 territory,

00:50:22.440 to that

00:50:22.740 land,

00:50:23.600 to the

00:50:25.600 citizens who

00:50:26.160 are predominantly

00:50:26.880 Russian citizens?

00:50:28.140 What do you

00:50:29.640 say to them?

00:50:30.860 Putin has

00:50:31.620 said that

00:50:32.260 Ukraine has 0.72

00:50:32.920 no right to

00:50:33.560 exist.

00:50:34.300 So we're not

00:50:34.760 just talking

00:50:35.380 about Crimea.

00:50:36.340 We're not

00:50:36.640 talking about

00:50:37.400 Donbass.

00:50:38.240 We're talking

00:50:38.680 about all

00:50:39.440 of Ukraine.

00:50:41.000 Putin has

00:50:41.880 made it

00:50:42.220 extremely

00:50:42.720 clear.

00:50:43.120 He's been

00:50:43.420 explicit.

00:50:44.700 So no,

00:50:46.300 the people

00:50:46.940 in Ukraine

00:50:47.380 do not

00:50:48.240 want to

00:50:48.680 be ruled

00:50:49.080 by Russia.

00:50:50.440 And once

00:50:51.500 you start

00:50:51.960 recognizing

00:50:52.700 aggression by

00:50:54.000 force,

00:50:55.180 we're going

00:50:55.580 to have

00:50:55.900 so many

00:50:56.400 wars.

00:50:57.840 Wars spread.

00:50:59.880 You start

00:51:00.720 with Biden's

00:51:02.400 catastrophic

00:51:02.940 withdrawal from

00:51:04.120 Afghanistan.

00:51:04.660 You have

00:51:05.940 Biden not

00:51:07.140 being strict

00:51:09.000 with Putin

00:51:09.600 in February

00:51:10.660 2022.

00:51:12.260 Then you

00:51:12.760 have Ukraine.

00:51:13.900 You have

00:51:14.500 Israel.

00:51:16.400 Iran thinks 0.96

00:51:17.080 it can

00:51:17.340 attack Israel. 0.88

00:51:18.600 Then you

00:51:19.100 have Pakistan 0.62

00:51:19.920 with the

00:51:21.080 terrorist attack

00:51:21.860 in April,

00:51:22.860 which leads

00:51:23.520 to that

00:51:23.940 conflict.

00:51:24.980 Then you

00:51:25.300 have China 0.97

00:51:25.960 and Russia

00:51:26.540 fueling

00:51:27.220 insurgencies

00:51:27.860 in North

00:51:28.380 Africa that 0.96

00:51:28.900 look like

00:51:29.340 wars.

00:51:30.220 Where does

00:51:31.040 this stop,

00:51:31.680 John?

00:51:32.320 We have

00:51:32.900 to stop

00:51:33.520 these guys

00:51:34.180 because clearly

00:51:35.300 the other

00:51:36.040 path of

00:51:36.920 trying to

00:51:37.560 work with

00:51:38.000 Putin and

00:51:38.680 Xi Jinping

00:51:39.100 hasn't

00:51:39.860 worked.

00:51:40.720 It is

00:51:41.280 unfortunate.

00:51:42.320 People don't

00:51:42.800 want to hear

00:51:43.280 this, but

00:51:43.680 we're at a

00:51:44.120 point where

00:51:44.800 if we don't

00:51:45.620 impose those

00:51:46.340 costs on

00:51:47.200 aggressors,

00:51:47.900 then they're

00:51:48.580 going to

00:51:48.820 continue and

00:51:49.920 we are going

00:51:50.480 to have

00:51:51.000 World War

00:51:51.480 Three.

00:51:52.200 Remember,

00:51:53.360 1930s,

00:51:54.260 there were

00:51:54.500 separate wars

00:51:55.280 around the

00:51:56.020 world that

00:51:56.480 merged into

00:51:57.020 what we

00:51:57.320 call World

00:51:57.880 War Two.

00:51:58.860 The same

00:51:59.260 thing is

00:51:59.700 happening now,

00:52:00.580 the same

00:52:00.960 dynamics,

00:52:01.680 especially

00:52:01.960 because China

00:52:02.620 and Russia

00:52:03.040 are behind

00:52:03.780 these

00:52:04.120 conflicts,

00:52:05.180 which means

00:52:05.660 that these

00:52:06.000 conflicts aren't

00:52:06.700 regional,

00:52:07.620 which means

00:52:08.180 that every

00:52:09.080 conflict has

00:52:09.920 global implications.

00:52:11.620 I know

00:52:11.920 Americans don't 1.00

00:52:12.620 want to hear

00:52:12.980 this, but

00:52:13.940 the point

00:52:14.340 is, what

00:52:15.940 is the

00:52:16.540 alternative?

00:52:18.340 Well, I'm

00:52:18.500 not entirely

00:52:19.340 sold, and

00:52:19.820 you tell me

00:52:20.160 if you differ

00:52:21.080 on this, I'm

00:52:21.700 not entirely

00:52:22.120 sold if we

00:52:22.620 do go to

00:52:22.980 World War

00:52:23.320 Three, whether

00:52:23.720 it be with

00:52:24.260 China, Russia,

00:52:25.600 or Iran,

00:52:26.960 I'm not

00:52:28.040 entirely sold

00:52:28.840 that Russia 0.72

00:52:29.360 and China

00:52:29.800 end up on

00:52:30.280 the same

00:52:30.620 side.

00:52:30.940 I mean,

00:52:31.180 they're both

00:52:31.520 two evil

00:52:31.960 nations on

00:52:33.300 his face.

00:52:34.500 I think

00:52:34.840 there's probably

00:52:35.300 some point in

00:52:36.040 that war where

00:52:36.660 one of them

00:52:37.100 turns on the

00:52:37.740 other.

00:52:38.360 It's like,

00:52:39.060 you had a gun

00:52:40.000 to my back

00:52:40.520 the whole time.

00:52:41.800 Yeah, but they

00:52:42.240 will turn on

00:52:42.860 each other, but

00:52:43.720 not in the

00:52:44.260 here and now.

00:52:45.620 And I don't

00:52:46.420 worry about the

00:52:47.160 2060s or the

00:52:48.160 2070s.

00:52:49.760 I worry about

00:52:50.760 them now.

00:52:51.340 And right now,

00:52:52.140 we see a very

00:52:53.380 strong and very

00:52:54.340 durable partnership.

00:52:55.440 And you don't

00:52:56.340 have to go to

00:52:56.900 war to impose

00:52:57.880 costs on these

00:52:58.720 guys.

00:52:59.500 We have the

00:53:00.320 means to stop

00:53:01.660 the war in

00:53:02.340 Ukraine.

00:53:03.460 Sanctions.

00:53:04.660 We have

00:53:05.140 sanctions in

00:53:05.920 place.

00:53:06.680 We need to

00:53:07.360 start enforcing

00:53:08.060 them.

00:53:08.640 No money for

00:53:09.500 Putin means no

00:53:10.620 war.

00:53:11.600 And we can do

00:53:12.580 this.

00:53:13.100 We don't have to

00:53:14.040 fire a shot.

00:53:15.500 Reagan didn't 0.96

00:53:16.200 fire a shot.

00:53:17.980 But we're not

00:53:19.180 willing to do

00:53:19.760 that.

00:53:20.020 So, yes, we

00:53:21.720 are willing to

00:53:22.520 allow bad

00:53:24.540 behavior.

00:53:25.840 We have been

00:53:26.620 emboldening the

00:53:28.220 worst elements in

00:53:29.020 the Chinese and

00:53:29.700 the Russian

00:53:30.060 political systems

00:53:30.960 by showing

00:53:31.880 everybody else

00:53:32.700 that aggression

00:53:33.680 works.

00:53:34.960 And this is an

00:53:35.740 elemental lesson

00:53:36.580 that we refuse

00:53:37.880 to learn.

00:53:38.560 We have forgotten

00:53:39.280 everything about

00:53:40.020 the 1930s.

00:53:41.660 And we're going

00:53:42.100 to pay for it.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:44.360 You know, I'm

00:53:45.160 sort of, we're

00:53:46.260 going years into

00:53:46.920 this thing now.

00:53:47.640 I'm sort of of

00:53:48.260 the mindset of

00:53:50.020 it's Russia and 0.93

00:53:51.840 Ukraine's war

00:53:52.500 where America,

00:53:53.160 we've gotten

00:53:53.620 involved in

00:53:54.080 everybody else's

00:53:54.780 war for the 0.69

00:53:55.320 longest time.

00:53:56.040 And it's never

00:53:56.720 ended well for

00:53:57.500 anybody.

00:53:59.680 Millions and

00:54:00.380 trillions of

00:54:00.880 dollars and

00:54:01.400 billions of

00:54:01.840 dollars spent on

00:54:02.700 endless wars and

00:54:03.700 senseless wars that

00:54:05.040 are just quite

00:54:05.820 honestly stupid.

00:54:06.820 People die,

00:54:07.580 thousands of

00:54:08.000 people dead,

00:54:09.100 trillions of

00:54:09.720 dollars wasted.

00:54:10.880 And the only

00:54:11.440 people who have

00:54:11.920 gotten rich off of

00:54:12.720 it is Lockheed

00:54:13.560 Martin and the

00:54:14.700 military industrial

00:54:15.460 complex.

00:54:16.660 We've got to end

00:54:17.380 these senseless

00:54:17.860 wars across the

00:54:18.640 country, across

00:54:19.840 the world.

00:54:21.000 Well, the

00:54:21.400 Ukraine war

00:54:22.000 would never

00:54:22.520 have started

00:54:23.140 unless, except

00:54:24.540 for Biden's

00:54:25.420 atrocious

00:54:25.960 policy.

00:54:26.480 Well, it

00:54:26.660 started in

00:54:27.060 2014 under

00:54:27.860 Obama.

00:54:29.120 But remember,

00:54:30.240 yeah, and

00:54:31.340 we turned our

00:54:34.200 back on that

00:54:34.840 one.

00:54:35.080 Remember, we

00:54:35.720 have the

00:54:38.040 Budapest

00:54:38.500 Memorandum of

00:54:39.220 1994, and

00:54:40.900 it's in our

00:54:41.960 interest, America's

00:54:43.160 interest, to

00:54:43.820 enforce that.

00:54:44.940 And the

00:54:45.240 reason is,

00:54:45.940 Ukraine gave

00:54:46.560 up nuclear

00:54:47.200 weapons.

00:54:49.080 And we,

00:54:50.500 Great Britain

00:54:52.200 and Russia

00:54:53.320 entered into

00:54:54.540 that Budapest

00:54:55.280 memorandum.

00:54:56.420 And in

00:54:56.660 addition to

00:54:57.180 that, we

00:54:57.780 gave side

00:54:58.480 agreements to

00:54:59.260 Ukraine to

00:55:00.020 defend it.

00:55:01.500 If we don't

00:55:02.640 defend it, the

00:55:03.260 point is,

00:55:03.880 countries around

00:55:04.440 the world are

00:55:04.880 going to see

00:55:05.220 it's in their

00:55:05.840 interest to

00:55:06.440 develop nuclear

00:55:07.240 weapons.

00:55:07.660 That marginalizes

00:55:08.940 our power,

00:55:10.100 makes the world

00:55:10.680 very dangerous.

00:55:11.600 So it's in

00:55:12.680 our interest to

00:55:13.600 make sure that

00:55:14.200 Russia doesn't 0.99

00:55:14.980 break apart

00:55:15.680 Ukraine.

00:55:16.740 Again, this

00:55:19.080 is a long-term

00:55:20.600 thing, but we

00:55:21.960 do not want the

00:55:22.940 spread of nuclear

00:55:23.560 weapons around

00:55:24.220 the world.

00:55:25.520 That's one thing

00:55:26.400 I think we

00:55:26.740 can all agree

00:55:27.220 on.

00:55:27.880 Gordon Chang,

00:55:28.780 great American

00:55:29.380 attorney, author.

00:55:30.640 Gordon Chang's

00:55:31.260 book, Plan

00:55:31.820 Red, China's 1.00

00:55:32.860 Project to

00:55:33.400 Destroy America.

00:55:34.340 Plan Red,

00:55:35.100 China's Project 0.95

00:55:35.920 to Destroy

00:55:36.420 America.

00:55:37.380 You get it on

00:55:37.740 Amazon, wherever

00:55:38.380 you guys buy

00:55:38.920 your books.

00:55:39.640 We recommend it

00:55:40.300 to you highly.

00:55:40.860 You can get a

00:55:41.680 Kindle version,

00:55:42.380 you can get

00:55:42.680 the hardcover,

00:55:43.740 whatever you

00:55:44.060 like to read.

00:55:44.580 Gordon's

00:55:44.940 Twitter, Gordon

00:55:45.640 G.

00:55:45.980 Chang. 0.99

00:55:46.260 Is that

00:55:46.460 right, Gordon?

00:55:47.440 That is

00:55:48.020 right, John.

00:55:49.220 You get the

00:55:49.680 last word here,

00:55:50.460 Gordon, whatever

00:55:50.940 you want to

00:55:51.300 sell the

00:55:51.700 audience, whatever

00:55:52.200 you want to

00:55:52.580 tell the

00:55:52.900 audience, whatever

00:55:53.320 you want to

00:55:53.660 give the

00:55:53.940 audience, the

00:55:54.920 floor is

00:55:55.200 yours.

00:55:56.160 We're being

00:55:56.680 assaulted by

00:55:57.720 China and

00:55:58.720 Russia and

00:55:59.880 Iran, and

00:56:01.160 they're in our

00:56:02.800 country.

00:56:03.520 This is not

00:56:04.160 something over

00:56:04.960 there.

00:56:05.460 This is in

00:56:06.340 our country.

00:56:07.200 We have their

00:56:08.000 operatives and

00:56:08.740 their agents.

00:56:09.340 We better

00:56:11.180 start defending

00:56:12.020 ourselves.

00:56:12.660 We better

00:56:12.900 start removing

00:56:13.660 these elements

00:56:14.860 because if we

00:56:15.420 don't, we are

00:56:16.960 going to be

00:56:17.440 fighting a

00:56:18.080 foreign enemy

00:56:18.820 on our soil

00:56:19.620 and sustain

00:56:20.280 battles the

00:56:21.160 first time

00:56:21.620 since the

00:56:22.020 War of

00:56:22.360 1812.

00:56:24.000 And thank

00:56:25.020 you so much,

00:56:25.620 John, for the

00:56:26.280 opportunity to

00:56:27.120 talk about

00:56:27.560 these things.

00:56:28.880 It's always

00:56:29.360 fun, Gordon.

00:56:29.920 I appreciate you

00:56:30.540 coming on and

00:56:31.120 we'll talk to

00:56:31.780 you soon.

00:56:32.480 Gordon Chang,

00:56:33.060 the Twitter is

00:56:33.600 Gordon G.

00:56:34.560 Chang,

00:56:34.820 on Twitter.

00:56:36.780 The book is

00:56:37.220 Plan Red,

00:56:38.000 China's Project 0.95

00:56:38.680 to Destroy

00:56:39.160 America.

00:56:40.020 Gordon, come

00:56:40.400 back soon.

00:56:41.600 Thank you so

00:56:42.220 much, John.

00:56:43.220 Thanks to

00:56:43.720 Gordon Chang and

00:56:44.360 thank you all for

00:56:45.060 being with us

00:56:45.560 today here on

00:56:46.100 The Great

00:56:46.340 America Show.

00:56:46.900 We hope to

00:56:47.260 see you back

00:56:47.620 here tomorrow

00:56:48.060 for The Great

00:56:48.460 America Show

00:56:48.920 where our

00:56:49.300 quest for

00:56:49.740 truth, justice,

00:56:51.040 and the

00:56:51.320 American way

00:56:51.800 continues.

00:56:52.400 We'll see you

00:56:52.720 back here tomorrow,

00:56:53.400 same time, same

00:56:54.160 place.

00:56:55.080 Until then, may

00:56:55.760 God bless you,

00:56:56.860 may God bless

00:56:57.320 America, and may

00:56:57.980 God bless the

00:56:58.520 great.

00:56:59.500 Have a great

00:57:00.260 night, everybody.

00:57:04.820 God bless you,

The Great America Show - May 24, 2025

The Great America Saturday Show： May 24, 2025

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