In this episode of The Great America Show, host Jake Tapper is joined by Robert Cahaley of the Trafalgar Group to discuss where things stand in the race between President Trump and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA).
00:08:22.320The issue, Robert, I took with it is I had told this to Mike Lindell the other day on an episode of the show is I sat down with these depositions with these lawyers from these election companies.
00:08:33.580And they sat there and they told me they said, and I don't even know if I'm supposed to be saying this, but I don't really care, to be honest with you.
00:08:39.780But they sat there and they told me they'd said, you know, SISA came out two days after the election.
00:09:05.540Number one, I said, number two, you can't file a tax return in this country in less than two months.
00:09:11.160I said, us as American people, we're skeptical to begin with.
00:09:14.480And we have every right to be with what this country has seen over the last, we'll say, 150 years.
00:09:19.860I said, if someone comes out and tells you two days after the election that it was the most secure election in the history of this country after you had almost 200 million people voting in it,
00:09:31.060aren't you going to be a little skeptical about that?
00:09:34.160And like I said, I used the reference, Robert, that you can't get a tax return done in less than two months.
00:09:39.520I mean, you can't get a refund in less than two months.
00:09:41.620You cannot get your car registered in less than a week in this country.
00:09:46.780And when American observers go to foreign countries, they don't make a determination in two days.
00:09:51.900So I said to these lawyers, I said, shouldn't that be in itself, you know, like a red flag, like maybe this is a little suspect.
00:10:00.140And they looked at me like I was crazy.
00:10:01.760And I said, of course, that's what it is.
00:10:03.000I mean, that, you know, and I and I pretty much rated these guys.
00:10:05.880And I said, you guys seem to care more about not the things that went wrong, went wrong, but that you got what you wanted.
00:10:12.680And that was Joe Biden winning this election, whether it was fair or not.
00:10:16.520And I mean, I think, you know, like you had said, whether one way or another, whether it be the Hunter Biden laptop, whether it be the laws that were changed for covid for mail-in ballots throughout the 2020 process, there's no way Joe Biden won that election fair and square.
00:10:30.500It's just not. And you hear constantly from the Marxist left that Donald Trump's a threat to democracy because he didn't accept those those results.
00:10:37.880And I don't know very many people who would, with the exception of maybe some of these rhino, you know, beta boys on the on the right who just, you know, are part of are part of the machine that are ruining this country and ruining the Republican Party.
00:10:52.260Robert, I want to take a quick break here. We're coming right back.
00:10:55.140I want to go further into these polls and further into the thought of a Kamala Harris presidency.
00:11:00.880It just gives me agita thinking about it. We're talking with Robert Cahaley, chief pollster for the Trafalgar Group, one of the best, if not the best pollsters out there.
00:11:10.360We're coming right back. Stay with us.
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00:13:01.000We're talking with the chief pollster for the Trafalgar Group, Robert Cahaley.
00:13:03.640Robert, there's a new poll out this week from Reuters and Ipsos.
00:13:07.920It's got Kamala Harris beating Joe Biden.
00:13:10.940Kamala Harris beating Donald Trump 47 to 40.
00:13:14.100Now, I don't know what world these people are in.
00:13:17.420As I mentioned earlier, I just got back from Vegas.
00:13:19.840If there's any pollster out there who wants to put their record on the line that Kamala Harris will beat Donald Trump by seven points after everything this administration has done to this country,
00:13:30.640you can shoot me a message on Twitter.
00:15:27.480And again, that high level of, I don't know where those undecideds are falling, but in many of those states, they don't have any other options, major options on the ballot, because the Democrats fought so hard to keep people off.
00:15:39.820So I don't put a lot of stock into that, and I'm sure that will serve its purpose probably and change the average in favor of Harris even more.
00:16:04.560I'm glad you brought that up because it brings us to one of our many topics we'll talk about today.
00:16:10.040Tim Walts has been campaigning with Gavin Newsom in California for something called national popular vote.
00:16:15.980And pretty much they're back at it where they want to abolish the Electoral College.
00:16:19.820And why wouldn't you when you've let 20 plus, maybe 30 million illegals into this country that can all register to vote?
00:16:26.760Whether you want to say they can or they can't, New York and illegal who had a driver's license as soon as they get into this country, be insured by an insurance company and on the road driving.
00:16:36.880So the Democrats plan obviously is very clear and it's right in front of our face.
00:16:41.000And if you talk about it, Robert, you're a racist because you don't want illegals in this country.
00:16:45.580You don't want illegals voting in our election because the men who built this country, the men who went overseas and and fall for this country and sacrifice their life for this country means absolutely nothing to these Democrats because all they care about is power.
00:17:00.180The Democrats, there's no doubt about it, in my opinion, and I think opinion of a lot of others are the biggest threat to democracy.
00:17:06.380Like I mentioned in the monologue, they stole the Kamala Harris and her Marxist cohorts stole the election from Joe Biden.
00:17:14.340I mean, she never received one vote in a primary in her entire life, yet somehow pushed this man out of the race.
00:17:21.160And I can't stand Joe Biden, but I hate Kamala Harris even more because of what she did.
00:17:25.300I mean, how do you how do you do that to somebody and then go out there, Robert, and parade yourself as, you know, the party that's holier than thou, that can't do no wrong, you know, and on the other side, say that the Republicans are the biggest threat to democracy.
00:17:40.360I don't think anyone believes Kamala Harris is an honest person.
00:17:43.720She has a track record of nothing but lies and deceit.
00:18:34.140And so that would be one change in terms of.
00:18:38.100But also, I think it's important to say with, you know, 28 days to go, I'm not Donald Trump.
00:18:43.900And so when we think about the significance of what this next generation of leadership looks like, were I to be elected president, it is about, frankly, I love the American people.
00:19:40.860Robert, I had no idea what the hell she said.
00:19:43.520I mean, work ethic, Kamala Harris, work ethic.
00:19:46.900I mean, she was handed everything her whole entire life, considered herself a public servant, never had a real job in her life.
00:19:54.620But the only thing I got from that was after she was asked the question, what change will you bring?
00:19:58.260I'm not Donald Trump and I'm not Joe Biden.
00:20:00.340Well, Robert Cahili, my name is John Fawson and I'm a man.
00:20:02.640And I think that states itself, if I were to give you my driver's license, I you know, I don't know what goes through her brain.
00:20:09.700She's genuinely I say this often because if you say it any other way, the left and I don't care what they think of me, but they'll call you misogynist because she's a woman.
00:20:18.700It has nothing to do with her being a woman.
00:20:20.240Joe Biden is dumb as dirt and he's a man.
00:20:22.940Contrary to what the left wants to say, he could be a woman.
00:20:57.040You got a leaning by just over two points.
00:21:00.140Georgia, you have him up by about two points.
00:21:02.900Nevada, he's down, which like we had spoke about earlier, I don't really trust it to begin with.
00:21:08.840You have him down about two points in Nevada.
00:21:12.000Arizona, you have President Trump leading by just about two percentage points.
00:21:16.960North Carolina, you have President Trump leading by 0.4%.
00:21:20.860And then across your swing state debate poll, you have President Trump leading by about a half a percent, a little less than a half percent.
00:21:29.860How could, you know, voters across these states make this mistake?
00:21:34.480You know, airing out all the shenanigans, as you like to call them.
00:21:39.300And I'll start, I'm going to start using that word in the best interest of litigation.
00:21:43.120But when you have in Wisconsin, you have 20,000, 30,000 ballots being sent out to people who cannot prove their identity, that they're allowed to vote in the first place.
00:21:52.640People would say, oh, 20,000 is really nothing.
00:21:55.360President Trump had lost the state by, I think, a margin of 10 or 12,000 in 2020.
00:22:06.920Now you find out it's, I think, 200,000 invalid votes being sent out.
00:22:11.340And these aren't, there's not, when voters, when votes are sent out, mail-in ballots are sent out, there's not a code for each person that's sent a mail-in ballot that, you know, ballot 101 is Robert Cahaley.
00:22:29.700It's a piece of paper that's sent out, and when it gets put back in, it's put into a tabulator or however they count them, and it's put in there.
00:22:36.780How do you get back 200,000 votes, 200,000 absentee ballots?
00:22:40.700How do you get back 20,000 in Wisconsin?
00:22:43.280You know, the secretaries of state said, well, please just send us back the ballots.
00:22:46.520Well, if I'm a Democrat, I'm not sending them back.
00:22:48.900I'm going to vote two or three or four times, Robert.
00:22:51.880Well, first of all, we wouldn't want the ballots to have a name on it because that loses the integrity of the ballot box, but there should be an outer envelope and an inner envelope, and the outer envelope ought to have something that ties back to the voter.
00:23:07.660You can verify a barcode or something like that, and then once you open it, it's verified.
00:23:12.580Then you dump that anonymous ballot in the box.
00:23:18.660There's a way to make voting by mail the most secure way to vote, but so many states choose not to do that, and until you start with the voter ID.
00:23:29.140I mean, voter ID is really the threshold.
00:23:31.540I mean, we have so many states that don't have that.
00:24:08.080So I think it makes sense to do things where the Republicans are to make sure that we don't have such a huge drop.
00:24:16.340I mean, 80% of what contributed people's suspicion about the election was not knowing election night who won.
00:24:24.240I mean, the fact is, how can states as big as Texas and Florida and North Carolina count all their ballots on time and report them?
00:24:34.520And then, you know, states that all seem to go one direction, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Arizona, Michigan, take so long to count their ballots.
00:24:45.940It just it creates it creates a question because then there are other questions.
00:24:51.600And that is, what's the chain of custody?
00:24:54.440I mean, you know, if we had early voting and in every early voting county or precinct, there was a camera on the ballot box and we, you know, kind of like blockchain, everybody could look at it.
00:25:07.940I mean, the more eyes are on it, the better.
00:25:10.200And I do think we'll have a lot more scrutiny this year.
00:25:12.500There are a lot of people with a lot of camera phones that are going to be in people's business watching this election more than it's ever been watched.
00:25:21.300And I think and I think that that's good for democracy.
00:25:24.620You know, the more eyes you have, the better.
00:25:27.160But the one thing I do want to mention is this storm.
00:25:31.500First of all, right now, a lot of the areas that have been hit, save downtown Augusta and Asheville.
00:25:40.900And downtown Asheville, the rest of the suburbs and areas around are big time Republican areas in Georgia, northern Georgia and western North Carolina.
00:29:09.580We're coming right back with Robert Cahaley, chief pollster for the Trafalgar Group.
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00:30:32.840From her time back in the Senate to her time as vice president to now presumptive Democratic nominee.
00:30:40.280Did an interview on 60 Minutes, which President Trump declined.
00:30:43.280And you know what, a lot of people don't know this, but 60 Minutes reached out to President Trump recently and said, will you come on and do another interview?
00:30:51.080And President Trump said yes, under one condition.
00:30:53.320And now anyone would think, like, a condition would be, you can't ask me about this, you can't ask me about that.
00:30:57.760All he wanted, Robert, was an apology for an interview he did with Leslie Stahl some years ago, before the 2020 election, in which he got up because she had said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.
00:31:11.440She knew then it wasn't Russian disinformation.
00:31:39.160So she's flip-flopped on everything she did.
00:31:41.060And 60 Minutes, to their credit, maybe these people are finally getting it a little bit right, had the courage to ask her about her flip-flopping.
00:32:36.500Geographically, regionally, in terms of where we are in our backgrounds.
00:32:41.140And what the American people do want is that we have leaders who can build consensus.
00:32:47.100Where we can figure out compromise and understand it's not a bad thing, as long as you don't compromise your values, to find common sense solutions.
00:33:26.940President Trump came out and said, no tax on tips.
00:33:29.680All of a sudden, a week later, Kamala Harris, no tax on tips.
00:33:33.700First of all, ever anyone to believe that you're a dummy, because Democrats, all they've done over the course of their political party is raise taxes on Americans across the board.
00:33:44.560And, you know, they prayed themselves as a working class party.
00:33:46.860Well, they've hurt the working class party, perhaps more than anything or anyone in this country, whether it be the taxes on them, whether it be.
00:33:54.600This is one that people don't talk about, Robert, the illegal immigrants that come in and take these jobs from these Americans who are not college educated, who come out of high school and seek jobs.
00:34:03.900The people who work at tire shops, the people who work at Target, the people who work at Walmart, the people who work at gas stations.
00:34:24.380These are all jobs that, you know, the lower class echelons of America could be employed by.
00:34:33.080You know, people, like I said, people without college degrees.
00:34:34.860These people are blue collar workers who want work like that, yet they're being taken by these illegals who are coming across the country.
00:34:41.400And we could argue about how many there are, but it's probably somewhere in the range of upwards of 20 million illegals that are taking these jobs from people.
00:34:49.480Kamala Harris, I mean, doesn't have a stance that she believes, Robert.
00:34:54.980Well, I mean, you know, it's easy to be very critical of everything she does, but I do think the idea of, she didn't articulate it well, but if she, but to say.
00:35:16.920After four years of being vice president, I realized those views were unrealistic.
00:35:22.680And now I believe this, that's not a bad answer, but she, but it's like, that's where she was going, but she got lost and didn't get there.
00:35:31.820Well, the problem is, Robert, if she were to run on what you just said, there would be a lot of issues that she'd have to say.