The Great America Show - The Great America Saturday Show： September 20, 2025

00:00:00.000 hello everybody and welcome to the great america show it's great to have you with us on this

00:00:06.160 beautiful day in america thank you so much for spending part of your evening with us happy

00:00:10.420 monday the investigation into the assassin of charlie kirk continues as deputy director dan

00:00:17.400 bongino and director cash patel continue to let out information and documents about what was the

00:00:25.760 motive of this killer dan bongino deputy director was on fox news early this morning laying out some

00:00:31.800 of the new facts in this fact-finding mission that they are now embarked upon there appear to have

00:00:37.380 been multiple warning signs you just laid out some of them there were people in his network friends

00:00:43.000 and family who had stated that he had become more political that he had become um at some parts i

00:00:51.220 believe some of his co-workers had stated that he had kind of detached himself when the topic of

00:00:57.420 politics came up and walked away from them family members said he'd become more political leading us

00:01:03.000 to believe that this uh ideology had uh had infected him and had taken over and he was just intent it

00:01:10.720 appears from the data we've accumulated and the channel and that uh that that note which we have

00:01:17.420 some evidence uh may have existed before based on the communications in that channel that his target

00:01:23.780 was obviously going to be charlie and that people knew in advance the question is again i just want

00:01:28.380 to go back to what you had asked before did they know were they sure of this or did they hear this and

00:01:34.640 just write it off that's what we're going to have to find out and that's what we're investigating

00:01:38.860 now bill this this investigation is is just begun this isn't even the beginning of the uh of the

00:01:44.960 beginning you know yes we have a subject in custody you know everybody's innocent till proven guilty in

00:01:49.780 our constitutional republic however this is not done by any stretch our men and women out there in

00:01:55.900 the bureau have worked tirelessly all weekend i just got back um to dc uh last night and uh we you

00:02:02.620 know cash and i were out there on the scene we walked the scene we went through every single

00:02:07.240 component of it we saw the evidence up close and personal and we went out there to be able to make

00:02:12.200 uh command decisions with our team on the ground and i think the process although not perfect of

00:02:18.800 course i think the process went uh went pretty well considering we got him in 30 33 hours yeah

00:02:24.480 and just moments later cash patel uh had his own fox news interview in which he laid out

00:02:31.200 um some of the group chats and how many people may have been privy to the fact that he was getting

00:02:38.560 ready to assassinate charlie months before he actually did it take a listen going back to the

00:02:45.080 group chats real quick there's more than 20 individuals but this is a great point i want

00:02:49.000 to lay out how this works people think we can just get in these group chats and immediately find out

00:02:54.380 who's in them we the fbi are the investigatory body supporting multiple prosecutions and ongoing

00:02:59.600 investigations and that's another point our investigation at the fbi is ongoing um and there

00:03:05.220 are scores of people in this discord chat room but we have to effectuate legal process we have to go

00:03:10.800 out there with search warrants so that if prosecutors want to later use this evidence it's not tainted by

00:03:16.200 being illegally obtained we the fbi are running the investigation pointly on the discord chat group

00:03:22.480 there are scores of individuals that are going to be spoken to there are also lots of family members

00:03:26.980 and friends that have already been spoken to and one more point on forensics we were able to obtain

00:03:31.600 in record time the text message chain between the suspect and his live-in partner as well as other

00:03:38.320 critical cellular information from our cast team that analyzes cell phone data towers in the area to

00:03:45.500 pinpoint the locations of the suspect and other individuals he was speaking with this is critical

00:03:51.260 information that the fbi processed and got to prosecutors so they can lawfully use it in a court of

00:03:57.120 law and our investigation our interviews continue but we've learned some shocking things when we spoke

00:04:03.160 to his family and friends as well and earlier today vice president jd vance hosted charlie show the charlie

00:04:09.900 kirk show uh we want to bring you a little clip of that uh because jd jd vance had some just absolutely

00:04:16.580 valiant and salient points um about how this ends when does this end how do americans uh stop this from

00:04:25.980 happening how do you what what is to be done when you can't make peace with these marxist democrats 0.87

00:04:31.640 who want death upon anyone who disagrees not all of them but the ones who are out here portraying this

00:04:39.060 hate that has led this psychopath to assassinate an innocent man take a listen i really do believe

00:04:45.700 that we can come together in this country i believe we must but unity real unity can be found only after

00:04:57.740 climbing the mountain of truth and there are difficult truths we must confront in our country

00:05:03.860 one truth is that 24 percent of self-described quote very liberals believe it is acceptable to be happy

00:05:13.460 about the death of a political opponent while only three percent of self-described very conservatives

00:05:19.840 agree three percent is too many of course another truth is that 26 percent of young liberals believe

00:05:28.040 political violence is sometimes justified and only seven percent of young conservatives say the same

00:05:34.220 again too high a number in a country of 330 million people you can of course find one person of a given

00:05:42.100 political persuasion justifying this or that or almost anything but the data is clear people on the left

00:05:50.400 are much likelier to defend and celebrate political violence this is not a both sides problem if both sides

00:05:58.100 have a problem one side has a much bigger and malignant problem and that is the truth we must be told

00:06:05.240 that problem has terrible consequences the leader of our party donald j trump escaped an assassin's bullet

00:06:14.540 by less than an inch our house majority lever steven scalise came within seconds of death by an assassin

00:06:22.560 himself and now the most influential conservative activist in generations our friend charlie has been

00:06:30.080 murdered this violence it doesn't come from nowhere now any political movement violent or not violent

00:06:38.480 is a collection of forces it's like a pyramid that stacks on top one support on top of the other that

00:06:46.240 pyramid's got a foundation of donors of activists of journalists now of social media influencers and of

00:06:52.380 course of politicians not every member of that pyramid would commit a murder in fact over 99 percent i'm sure would

00:06:59.600 not but by celebrating that murder apologizing for it and emphasizing not charlie's innocence but the

00:07:07.060 fact that he said things some didn't like even to the point of lying about what he actually said

00:07:12.460 many of these people are creating an environment where things like this are inevitably going to happen

00:07:18.920 a couple of months ago i had land a fundraiser in southern california and since you know we'd be out

00:07:24.620 there anyways my wife and i decided to take our kids to disneyland one weekend we had fun and to be

00:07:30.640 clear most of the guests said very nice things or they just left us alone but there was a loud and

00:07:36.580 very cool minority that would shout at my children who were eight five and three whenever they got the 0.99

00:07:42.560 opportunity you should disown your dad you little shit one middle-aged woman yelled at my five-year-old 1.00

00:07:48.900 tell the secret service to protect the constitution not your father screamed another are these women 1.00

00:07:54.700 violent probably not are they deranged certainly and while our side of the aisle certainly has its 0.94

00:08:01.200 crazies it is a statistical fact that most of the lunatics in american politics today are proud members

00:08:08.540 of the far left after charlie died one of his friends and one of our senior white house staffers 0.94

00:08:16.300 had left-leaning operatives in his neighborhood passing out leaflets telling people what he looked

00:08:22.740 like and where he lived encouraging neighbors to harass him or god forbid to do worse while he was mourning

00:08:29.820 his dead friend he and his wife had to worry about the political terrorists drawing a big target on the

00:08:37.700 home he shares with his young children are these people violent i hope not but are they guilty of

00:08:45.380 encouraging violence you damn well better believe it we can thank god that most democrats don't share 0.95

00:08:51.760 these attitudes and i do while acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a lunatic fringe

00:08:59.700 a minority but a growing and powerful minority on the far left there is no unity with people who scream

00:09:09.260 that children over their parents politics there is no unity with someone who lies about what charlie

00:09:14.900 kirk said in order to excuse his murder there is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family

00:09:21.260 the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend there is no unity with the people who

00:09:27.700 celebrate charlie kirk's assassination and there is no unity with the people who fund these articles who pay the

00:09:34.860 salaries of these terrorist sympathizers who argue that charlie kirk a loving husband and father

00:09:41.120 deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree that's one of the best 0.94

00:09:49.540 speeches i've ever heard or uh comments ever heard from jd vance uh absolute true gentleman like

00:09:58.040 fashion uh new uh shakeup possibly happening over at the fbi folks and uh we're here to tell you all

00:10:05.820 about it andrew bailey who's the uh former as of today former missouri attorney general starting today

00:10:11.740 is co-deputy director with dan bongino over at the uh at the fbi talks news has a new article out

00:10:18.900 today knives are out for embattled fbi director cash patel despite support from donald j trump

00:10:25.840 they say bailey's installment comes at a perilous time for fbi director cash patel whose leadership

00:10:30.640 topped the nation's premier law enforcement agencies under fire according to 10 sources

00:10:36.300 for multiple federal offices granted anonymity to speak freely the white house reasoning to create

00:10:42.100 these unprecedented office for bailey has not been explained and the fbi leadership is confused

00:10:47.080 two people at the agency say quote the white house bondi blanche have no confidence in cash

00:10:53.280 him in particular cannot stand him blanche either he said referring to attorney general

00:10:58.040 pam bondi and uh deputy todd blanche bondi and blanche denied this characterization white house

00:11:05.380 officials denied any plans to remove director patel from his positioning but allies of president

00:11:11.180 trump and patel's hardest harshest critics have begun to circulate word that contingency plans for

00:11:16.640 patel's ouster are forming they also claim that this host hopeful predecessor andrew bailey

00:11:21.640 made clear he would not leave his post as missouri ag or abandon his aspirations to run for state

00:11:27.800 governor only to serve as patel's number two under the federal vacancies reform act of 1998

00:11:34.560 bailey who started at the bureau on september 15th which happens to be today would be eligible to fill

00:11:40.740 the fbi director post should become vacant after he's been employed by the fbi for at least 90 days

00:11:46.560 or as those who are good at math three months so it's unclear how this will all play out and um

00:11:53.880 if bailey does wind up taking over as fbi director we're unsure we're not privy to any sort of inside

00:12:00.360 knowledge to it but that's what's being reported today as andrew bailey starts his new job uh as a

00:12:07.520 deputy director of the fbi uh coinciding with dan bongino we'll keep you up to date as always here on the

00:12:15.220 great america show should we find out any sort of inside information president trump and his war on

00:12:21.760 the drug lords who mean to destroy america getting some bad news today if you're joining us here on

00:12:28.900 video you've got that video up there on your screen the latest drug lords who thought they were going to

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00:12:44.160 there yet another uh vessel absolutely annihilated as they should be as they absolutely should be

00:12:53.020 president trump posting this following video on truth social uh with the message quote this morning

00:12:58.080 at my orders u.s military forces conducted a second kinetic strike against positively identified

00:13:04.040 and extraordinary violent drug trafficking cartels and narco terrorists in the south com

00:13:09.240 area of my responsibility the strike occurred while these confirmed narco terrorists from

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00:13:27.020 violent terrorist cartels pose a threat to the u.s national security foreign policy

00:13:31.800 and a vital u.s interest the strike resulted in three male terrorists killed in action

00:13:36.200 no u.s forces were harmed in the strike be warned if you're transporting drugs that can kill americans

00:13:43.100 we are hunting you these illicit activities by these cartels have wrought devastation devastating

00:13:49.380 consequences on american communities for decades killing millions and millions of american terrorists

00:13:54.480 no longer and as always thank you for your attention to this matter let's watch that one more time

00:14:01.000 because that's truly amazing absolutely amazing to watch

00:14:06.500 there it comes

00:14:11.900 oh boy see you later oh boy that's amazing absolutely amazing folks we're gonna take a quick break here

00:14:23.980 on the other side of this quick break we're gonna be joined by a friend of mine former supervisory

00:14:28.620 special agent with the fbi james gagliano you'll probably see him on tv he doesn't get enough

00:14:33.680 time on television so we brought him on the great america show um to talk about everything that's

00:14:39.400 going on this new shake-up potentially happening to the fbi the charlie kirk investigation and much

00:14:43.840 much more folks the great america show continues in just one moment please stay with us we're coming

00:14:47.920 right back

00:14:48.540 thanks for staying with us folks and now as promised a man who you probably see on tv if you've been

00:14:59.380 watching tv the last week or so who i think deserves a lot more time which is why he's on this podcast

00:15:05.420 uh a former supervisory special agent with the fbi james gagliano a good friend of mine a terrific

00:15:11.640 gentleman james thanks so much for for joining us today john good good to see you again and uh

00:15:17.680 happy to join you i'm looking forward to the conversation it's it's always a good one so let's

00:15:22.120 let's keep the train rolling uh let's begin with i guess first what happened last week uh now the

00:15:28.360 details are starting to come out james that this shooter who assassinated charlie kirk cased the

00:15:34.300 campus he was on all these online forums which i did a show last week for an hour james

00:15:39.860 laying out these online forums and how i believe kids are getting more radicalized now with things

00:15:45.720 like reddit uh this discord conversation uh your your take on everything yeah i uh i agree i mean

00:15:53.940 we've long we've long since that university campuses are essentially um they're they're they're like

00:16:00.700 petri dishes for for a certain ideological bent and and there's a problem with that when you have

00:16:07.220 you know 90 plus percent of college and university professors all hew to the same ideological bent

00:16:15.480 um it's it's it's it's difficult to fathom how rankled they can get um when somebody like charlie

00:16:25.620 kirk who was an interlocutor he's a guy that just wanted to meet you in the public square roll his

00:16:29.960 sleeves up not not for fisticuffs but to debate you and to see this happen look this is this is a

00:16:36.920 disturbing trend and i'll and i'll and i'll rattle off some uh some statistics for you first of all

00:16:42.480 um some of the recent polling put out it shows that progressives uh the the majority of progressives

00:16:50.060 believe that political violence is okay um that's just it's staggering and it really it's worse when you

00:16:58.100 get to the younger ages when you move through the millennials and down to gen z and look what's

00:17:03.920 happened in the last one year plus july 13th 2024 then candidate president trump was out on the

00:17:12.980 campaign trail in butler pennsylvania and nearly lost his life december 4th 2024 luigi mani mangioni

00:17:22.360 guns down the united healthcare ceo in the back in in new york city just a few weeks ago august 27th of

00:17:29.080 this year uh in minneapolis roman catholic church two young children were killed while attending mass

00:17:34.620 and then of course what happened to charlie kirk last week which was by definition of political

00:17:39.440 assassination um this is all too often and yes it is younger the four incidents i just i just you know

00:17:48.380 ticked off off the top of my head all involved gen z shooters young males that decided that the way to

00:17:56.080 settle our differences was to take someone's life and i'll wrap it up with this we're entering an

00:18:02.300 we're entering an inflection point right now in a new paradigm and what that paradigm is is the

00:18:08.460 assassination culture and what is that john assassination culture is where somebody takes a

00:18:14.260 grievance or grievances because these are all grievance collectors whether it's a terrorist whether

00:18:19.040 it's a political assassin or whether it's a mass shooter you take a grievance you add to it an

00:18:25.940 ideology where you believe that your ideology is superior to mine and then you covered in a patina

00:18:33.460 of moral absolutism where you believe that taking someone's life is okay for the cause and that's what

00:18:42.020 this is john this is assassination culture petri dish reference i think it probably puts it best you've got

00:18:47.780 we've seen uh the best and worst come out over people over this last week since this has happened it's

00:18:52.940 not even been a week uh just under a week since this has happened uh you've seen college professors

00:18:58.340 university professors you've seen uh people on television out here justifying that an assassination

00:19:04.600 is somehow justifiable because they don't agree with the ideology that charlie kirk portrayed

00:19:11.720 how has it come to this point james in this country where this is the way that you handle

00:19:19.360 political differences charlie as you said was out there giving people a voice who quite honestly 0.99

00:19:24.980 i would never platform these psychopaths i mean a lot of them are sick sick people as we see 0.65

00:19:30.060 um but platforming people who don't deserve to have a platform allowing them to have a voice 0.89

00:19:34.800 now they didn't always win the debate because most of the time their ideology was was extremely radical

00:19:40.740 um but this is a man who who gave so much to people who deserved so little yet this is how they give

00:19:48.720 back to him i mean should we all be worried yeah i mean look john you know we're as a country in 250

00:19:56.500 years i mean we're no stranger to political violence i mean four sitting presidents were killed in office

00:20:02.800 and even if you fast forward to to current times whether it's gabby gifford being shot or steve 0.93

00:20:09.320 scolise being shot or attempts on the lives of uh justice kavanaugh and others i mean i i hate you 0.91

00:20:17.280 it sounds so trite and cliched i hate to suggest you know new normal but these are elected officials

00:20:23.000 whether it's the president vice president a presidential candidate a member of congress

00:20:27.780 um a supreme court justice or a cabinet secretary these are people that typically have security details

00:20:34.380 and not that you expect it but you have to anticipate that somebody may want to take their

00:20:40.140 life to your point charlie's sin was basically preaching conservatism and christianity and just

00:20:48.460 saying hey prove me wrong i'm going to explain to you why i think my ideas are right and and you tell

00:20:53.860 me what your ideas are and let's discuss it it it has had a chilling effect now having said that

00:21:00.820 i have a feeling that the exact opposite of what the assassin and his little click of fanboys and

00:21:07.580 fangirls um it's going to have a different effect you can see it with turning point usa right now

00:21:13.300 they are breaking all kinds of records for membership um different chapters are opening up on on college

00:21:19.880 campuses and in high schools and and that is a dream that only a dream that charlie could have had

00:21:25.260 that he would have had this kind of impact and effect in death even more so than he did in life

00:21:31.560 when when something happens when a gun is involved the democrats always use it as gun control right this

00:21:38.100 is time to take the guns away point the guns point the fingers at the guns and people need to lose

00:21:43.180 their guns truth of the matter is as a man who spent his career in law enforcement the uh the bad guys

00:21:48.360 always find a way to get a gun i reference uh shinzo abe in in japan getting killed by a ghost gun i mean

00:21:54.240 there's oh where there's a will there's a way there's no i mean that's never been disproven before

00:21:59.160 so the bad guys are always going to get the guns the democrats pointed the guns that's who's accountable

00:22:04.360 in in their sense for killings but when you look at this james who is to take accountability for this

00:22:11.320 in my opinion it's the media it's the people who have pushed this narrative for 10 years that

00:22:17.340 donald trump is adolf hitler that anyone who supports donald trump is a racist a misogynist

00:22:21.940 i mean go down the list of adjectives that you want to raffle off that these people have called 0.94

00:22:26.440 us who support donald trump and i'm talking about myself i don't even know if you support donald trump

00:22:30.500 but just looking at it on his face which doesn't matter but the names the divisiveness that they

00:22:36.980 have pointed that they they brought out you had a former fbi director who i guess you worked under at

00:22:43.560 your time there just a few months ago posting a picture of 86 47 he says as a career law enforcement man

00:22:51.820 he didn't know what it meant i think everybody in law enforcement know what 86 means yeah it uh you're

00:23:00.700 you're referencing a former fbi director disgraced former fbi director james comey there when he was

00:23:08.440 apparently strolling along the beach with his wife and saw the assembled shells in 8647 and thought it

00:23:16.000 would be cute to post it on instagram if that's not example number one million of why he was unfit to

00:23:22.480 serve as an fbi director um john i i don't know what is um your your points are all well taken heck if i

00:23:30.680 told you right now john i could i could put you on a time transport bring you back in time to when hitler

00:23:36.720 was alive and you had an opportunity to kill him would you do that and we'd all think man we could

00:23:40.880 have saved six million lives by doing that that is where we're putting these young um and again with

00:23:48.320 these and i don't want to beat up on gen z but these young impressionable minds whether mass shooters

00:23:53.800 terrorists political assassins they're impressionable they're young they're typically

00:23:59.480 disenfranchised disconnected um and this is their way of doing something that's important you keep 0.96

00:24:06.880 beating the drum that that somebody is hitler or that his followers are nazis or fascists

00:24:12.420 sooner or later somebody unhinged is going to take is going to take action and my last point going back

00:24:19.180 to the guns we're a nation of 327 million people there are more guns in the country than there are

00:24:25.740 people the guns aren't the issue here in in all those shootings that i reference or most of them

00:24:31.940 um these were legally obtained guns that unfortunately fell into the hands of somebody

00:24:37.460 that shouldn't have whether it was a family member that that owned the gun or the person bought it

00:24:42.440 legally so i don't know what laws that aren't already on the books you could put in place you're

00:24:48.820 certainly not going to go around and collect up everybody's guns that's simply not going to happen

00:24:52.840 so to continue to bash you know the gun culture i don't think that's what it is i think that's an

00:24:59.440 intellectually dishonest argument but i'm sure we're going to continue to hear more of it yeah

00:25:04.200 of course because you know why james what happens is a shooting like this happens a democrat sends

00:25:08.000 out an email to everybody on their email list and says donate we're fighting against guns and i mean

00:25:12.980 it's the same playbook every single time i mean this case we're finding out more details about this

00:25:19.260 guy tyler robinson lived with a reporter it's being reported that he's with living with a

00:25:24.220 transgender lover was on all these online forums which i i want to ask you because uh it seems to

00:25:31.400 be and like i said in my opinion this is where kids are getting um more radicalized when you were

00:25:37.020 working in the fbi as a supervisory special agent were these forums like reddit will use for example

00:25:43.640 uh around were they moderated by the fbi were they looked into by the fbi

00:25:49.860 um because it seems now they're overwhelmingly being used to bounce ideas off each other about

00:25:56.860 killing people or whatever well you gotta you gotta remember i'm a dinosaur so i came in in 1991

00:26:03.560 after serving in the u.s army and uh and i cut my teeth under guys that had come in under j edgar

00:26:11.540 hoover now the fbi has been around for 117 years there have only been nine senate confirmed fbi

00:26:19.100 directors and the first one j edgar hoover served for 48 years from uh from 1924 until he died in 1972

00:26:28.900 under eight presidents calvin coolidge all the way to richard nixon so much of the bureau culture when i

00:26:34.720 came in was still predicated on on on his thinking now obviously we all recognize that technology

00:26:41.600 and police sciences have advanced greatly especially in the last 10 to 20 years so to your point about

00:26:49.080 the cyber aspect of this absolutely um it's something that um it is a concern now just because

00:26:57.880 somebody says something doesn't necessarily mean they're going to act on it you have to try to weigh

00:27:02.800 in on these things and is was this something said in the heat of the moment was it hyperbole was it

00:27:07.640 satire or is this individual going to act on it and then lastly we've got that pesky little thing

00:27:14.000 uh two things one we've got that pesky little thing called the fourth amendment which protects us 0.97

00:27:18.860 from illegal searches and seizures and guarantees you some type of privacy uh and when you look at

00:27:25.380 it from this perspective too there are you know as i said 327 million people in the united states

00:27:31.360 there's only 12 000 fbi agents and the internet is vast and deep and dark and it's impossible to

00:27:38.200 to to monitor everything that's why john i'll make this last pitch see something say something is not

00:27:44.980 just a cute trite you know state you know saying if you see something or hear something you've got to

00:27:51.800 reach out to law enforcement because oftentimes people will actually give you their plans and it's

00:27:58.880 out there and we don't find out about it until the action has already happened yeah like we just saw

00:28:03.700 this guy reached out i guess after the fact even though now it's apparent he was telling his

00:28:07.960 transgender lover and other people on these these databases that um he was going to do it people

00:28:13.080 posted about it on twitter um and things like that you know it's it's so just beyond disturbing

00:28:18.940 that we've hit this new low point in this country where you know we're resorting to violence like this

00:28:26.840 it's just it's so sick how do we before we move on how do we pull ourselves out of this

00:28:31.780 how do we get out of this i mean weekly school shooter thing this this weekly uh uh transgender 1.00

00:28:38.760 mass rage this weekly it seems every week it's something else by these kids who people come out

00:28:46.140 after and say oh we totally knew he was going to do that yeah i think part of it is um you have to look

00:28:53.360 at it from the perspective of security remember bad guys whether it's a terrorist or a mass shooter

00:29:00.180 or a political assassin or a petty thief bad guys they're like water they take the path of least

00:29:08.100 resistance deterrence is a thing you know we have security at banks we have security at yankee stadium

00:29:15.660 why don't we have security or enough security at schools in our country where our most precious

00:29:23.240 resources our kids the next generation why aren't we doing a better job there of making sure that we

00:29:30.400 have armed personnel there and i know you know and i hate to use the word optics it's an ugly word but i

00:29:36.120 know the optics are that we don't want to you know have our kids you know have to see an armed guard well

00:29:41.600 what would you rather have that or would you have somebody come in and have a clear path to hurting our 0.84

00:29:46.920 children so i think that's the biggest thing we've got to readjust our sense of what the right thing

00:29:53.120 to do is to harden targets yeah yeah you're right i'll tell you why we can't do that james because

00:29:58.300 we can't afford it we're too busy sending money to every other foreign nation on the other side of

00:30:03.080 the atlantic ocean and i guess the pacific ocean as well that's why it costs too much money we'd rather

00:30:08.840 have our kids not be safe and safe in school to put one armed guard if one armed guard saves one life

00:30:14.820 james that's enough that justifies it enough for me

00:30:17.740 let me get your take on this and this is my opinion of what happened um the shooting happens

00:30:30.380 we know nothing cash patel tweets out later that night we've got a guy in suspect in custody

00:30:35.900 turns out it's not him we got another guy in custody turns out it's not him we start getting

00:30:41.260 information leaking slowly out there okay we start getting surveillance tapes the surveillance

00:30:45.440 tapes were taken from the school and other people's doorbells so we have citizen fbi agents will call

00:30:50.900 them people who are good samaritans who are providing help to these people uh 16 hours in 17 hours in we

00:30:57.780 have these press conferences still no lead on this guy there's a gun that's found in the in the bushes

00:31:02.280 the family members start to reach out the boyfriend of this fellow reaches out the father finds out that

00:31:08.660 it's his son everything that was done for this was to my opinion no help of the fbi everything that

00:31:16.940 was done here was provided by family members and by good samaritans do you think the fbi tell me if

00:31:23.620 i'm wrong has maybe lost its touch a little bit with investigative work getting things down to the core

00:31:30.240 because as i said everything in my opinion here seems like it was done by what i'm calling citizen

00:31:35.200 fbi and police officers yeah i've agreed with a hundred percent of everything you said up to this

00:31:41.440 point where i would i would push back on this fbi's made some mistakes and obviously the fbi is in need

00:31:48.100 of reform i think that the current leadership is doing some of that in a manner that myself and many

00:31:55.740 like me retired agents um that spent quarter century in the bureau um like to see but there's there's

00:32:03.440 much that still needs to be done to your point about this particular investigation um i disagree

00:32:09.120 um police sciences as i said before has evolved greatly you know from when we first began lifting

00:32:16.380 latent fingerprints in the 30s and comparing them and and and tying somebody to a to to an item like a

00:32:23.200 like like the murder weapon um all the way up to the mid 80s when we began to use dna technology and

00:32:29.180 and we were first able to convict somebody on dna evidence alone um investigations have changed

00:32:36.120 everything today is so laden with technology there's a big portion of that there were 3 000 people

00:32:44.520 in attendance at charlie kirk's last campus visit at utah valley university where he tragically lost his

00:32:51.980 life the vast majority of them were filming it so you imagine all of the videos the stills and the

00:32:58.840 images and the and the video that needed to be collected then you have as you pointed out traffic

00:33:05.160 cam footage you have security camera footage you have ring doorbell footage you tie that in now all

00:33:11.460 that technology with old school shoe leather of knocking on doors wearing out the soles of your loafers

00:33:18.800 by by walking and talking and and and taking witness statements a lot of work john look at it like

00:33:26.980 this and trust me i've been harshly critical um of the fbi and i know you and i have had conversations

00:33:32.320 where i had been harshly critical of them they brought this guy in in 33 hours and without the

00:33:39.400 released images which they had to collect when i say the fbi i'm also speaking law enforcement at large

00:33:45.460 because the state and local folks were hand-in-glove partners on this but i think it was a veritable

00:33:52.840 miracle um that it was done so quickly i knew they'd catch him if this guy had been a professional

00:33:58.680 assassin like people originally erroneously stated he would have jumped off the building where his

00:34:05.000 sniper perch was he would have walked over to a car in the parking lot pulled out onto the main drag and

00:34:11.260 gotten onto i-15 a major artery a major roadway major thoroughfare and been hundreds of miles away

00:34:18.720 before anybody would have had any idea he was a shooter but he didn't he just because like i say

00:34:24.320 there are no perfect crimes he stumbled around the parking lot then he stumbled around the contiguous

00:34:28.840 neighborhoods and ultimately the information that was put out by the fbi led to the father recognizing

00:34:34.760 him and i'll just close with this imagine the pain in that father's life you know this takes me back

00:34:41.160 to the 70s and the 80s when ted kaczynski the unabomber was sending you know uh pipe bombs and package

00:34:48.140 bombs to academics and scientists that he that he was disagreed with he wrote a manifesto which was

00:34:54.080 published in the washington post in the new york times and in 1996 his brother recognized the ramblings

00:35:00.800 and the musings of a madman and turned him in same instance here but no i would just close by saying

00:35:06.760 i think the fbi did good work i can certainly give you some things i wish they had done differently

00:35:12.020 one of which was the fbi director making a colossal mistake in coming out immediately and saying we

00:35:19.760 have a suspect in custody and then it turned out it was just a person of interest who had been

00:35:24.140 interviewed and released and another person of interest interviewed and released that that you

00:35:29.800 know that made us look like a coney island clown car and could have had serious consequences i understand

00:35:36.400 the need to be transparent and get information out quickly but john that's the only mistake that i can

00:35:41.160 see from this 30 000 foot macro level that i would have said you should have handled that differently

00:35:46.640 yeah i'm gonna agree with you on that i don't believe that there's a public's right to know on

00:35:51.760 every aspect of this investigation is you some of these people you tip off i mean most of these people

00:35:57.700 who know they're out there looking for you they watch the news they watch everything and they watch

00:36:02.820 every tip that comes out so if they know you're onto them they may go kill themselves which i'd rather 0.98

00:36:06.960 this guy be brought in alive than him killing himself and taking the coward's way out so

00:36:10.460 you know i'm not i'm not all for you know letting every piece of detail out if you need help you put

00:36:15.720 out the pictures which is clearly what they did i guess the point i'm trying to make is if this guy's

00:36:20.140 father didn't come forward and his family and the pastor who convinced him to turn himself in

00:36:26.020 how much longer would it have take to got him to get him and and i related i related everything back

00:36:31.080 james to january 6th where i know there was fbi agents banging down people's doors the day after

00:36:37.180 january 6th with no dna just video footage so i i try to relate everything back to that because the

00:36:42.720 democrats tell us that was the worst day in history and um you know they were able to get people within

00:36:47.460 hours of of not even doing anything wrong for some of them yeah that uh i i agree with you what you

00:36:55.620 said at the top there that um you know release of information it's got to be targeted it's got to

00:37:02.320 be done intelligently you want the the public has a right to know of course in a in a free and open

00:37:09.560 society like the united states of america however there are times for some of the very reasons that

00:37:14.600 you mentioned that that information um and intelligence is held back and not released but look

00:37:21.240 crowdsourcing is a thing and the ability to put something out whether it's a bolo or be on the

00:37:25.920 lookout for um it it is a thing and in this instance as you rightly referenced the father the clergy member

00:37:33.400 that was a friend of the family uh were able to to identify the the the kid he literally is a kid

00:37:40.500 um and make the id and get him um and and get him over to federal authorities now the hard part is

00:37:47.200 putting together an airtight case which i believe they'll have the fbi director this morning on fox

00:37:52.400 and friends stated that uh they have dna on a towel that was wrapped around the weapon um and and dna from

00:37:59.300 um some other things that he might have touched that tie him to the crime and the crime scene and

00:38:04.920 obviously the weapon um but this is the hard work and look you know the death penalty may be on the

00:38:10.000 table you've got to get two juries two juries of 12 people each to agree so you've got to get a jury

00:38:15.820 twice to agree to put him to death and out in utah they don't play around they still have the firing

00:38:22.280 squad as the chosen method of execution yeah and it can't come soon enough i'm just glad they got

00:38:28.760 him alive before we wrap up i want to get your take on something it's a new story out today and

00:38:32.980 um there's a new uh co-director of the um i guess you call him assistant director of the fbi with dan

00:38:39.760 bongino his name is andrew bailey he's a former uh missouri attorney general he's been on the show many

00:38:44.920 times i i've gotten to know him very well a very very good time a very very good man uh by all

00:38:50.620 accounts a gentleman uh just a very overall good guy i can't sing his praise enough but there's a

00:38:56.080 new article out from fox news today and it's titled quote knives are out for embattled fbi director cash

00:39:01.560 patel despite trump's support now this article says according to 10 sources from multiple federal

00:39:08.420 offices granted anonymity to speak the white house reasoning to create an unprecedented office

00:39:13.600 for bailey has not been explained and left the fbi leadership confused according to two people at

00:39:19.100 the agency quote the white house bondi and blanche have no confidence in cash one source with knowledge

00:39:27.180 said this on this condition of anonymity uh pam in particular cannot stand him blanche either

00:39:32.560 that's of course referring to pam bondi ag and deputy ag todd blanche now bondi and blanche denied the

00:39:39.480 characterizations and said the white house officials denied any plans to remove director patel from his

00:39:45.560 position but it makes you wonder why bring in now bailey has said in the past he wouldn't leave his job

00:39:52.880 as missouri ag because i think he wants to run for governor eventually um why would he leave his job

00:39:58.940 as ag to go over take a deputy job at the fbi if there isn't a shake-up coming yeah now out of all the

00:40:06.120 names you mentioned the only person that i know intimately is todd blanche todd was a chief in the

00:40:12.680 criminal division in the southern district in new york in the department of justice when i was an fbi

00:40:17.160 supervisor um overseeing violent street gang um uh investigations and and todd was the prosecutor so i

00:40:25.400 know him well um i've got great great great respect for him having said that i have not spoken to him about

00:40:32.360 this matter um so i can speculate and uh and not get in trouble so my feeling is this when when when

00:40:40.040 director patel was selected um a lot of people had misgivings about it including fbi colleagues

00:40:46.240 currently on board and retired um regarding experience and the fact that you know he had

00:40:51.800 written a book and he had said some kooky things in the book like the seventh floor of fbi headquarters

00:40:56.880 should be turned into a museum to the deep state and we get it we get the wild hyperbole and

00:41:02.200 obviously he was playing to an audience of one in the president but um you know the job is a serious

00:41:08.280 and a sober undertaking and i did look at cash's background the fact that he was a he was a public

00:41:15.020 defender for a number of years he was a prosecutor a line prosecutor in the department of justice um he

00:41:21.560 had worked on the hill for a while he had some experience in in certain areas working with the

00:41:26.880 dni in the first trump administration so i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt i've i've tried

00:41:32.980 to maintain that i'm remaining agnostic now with dan um dan's a dan bongino who's the deputy director

00:41:40.620 and that position is not a political position it's never been appointed somebody appointed from outside

00:41:47.320 the bureau this is a brick agent that works his way or her way up the ranks and serves in that position

00:41:54.420 it's kind of like um you know you've got a jet you know at west point you've got a superintendent who's

00:41:59.540 in charge of the academy and then you've got a commandant that runs the cadets the day-to-day life

00:42:04.920 of the cadets well that's what a deputy director does so when they brought cash in and dan i thought

00:42:11.900 that was a mistake many of us did but okay we'll give them the bend for the doubt for them to bring

00:42:18.080 in andrew bailey who i agree with you i don't know him personally i know him by reputation um he's very

00:42:24.440 well thought of in in my circles but for them to bring him in and make him a co-deputy director that

00:42:31.560 has never happened in the 117 year history of the of the federal bureau of investigation sure does it

00:42:38.320 make people think that hey it's just going to be a matter of time before there is a you know somebody

00:42:43.620 gets dislodged from position and and he slides in has director patel made some mistakes yeah i'd like

00:42:50.900 him to stay off of x or the old twitter i don't need to hear from him every day same thing with dan

00:42:56.960 bongino i don't need to hear from you every day i understand the pendulum and in former administrations

00:43:03.580 there was a lack of transparency so now we've got to swing it all the way the other way but john

00:43:09.480 i think that's a mistake um there there could be changes coming and again i don't know that for a

00:43:17.620 fact um but i do hope that if there aren't changes coming that uh that they could kind of

00:43:23.520 right this ship because this in this last investigation the investigators did a great job

00:43:29.200 but the fbi director and the fbi administration um there could have been some things that were

00:43:35.120 done differently for my to my satisfaction yeah there's certain things you give up james when you

00:43:39.680 take a job like that and it's pretty much your lifestyle your social life and it's you you know

00:43:44.780 it going into it if you're to take that job you're not going out to dinner every single night you're not

00:43:49.420 going to broadway plays on the weekend you're not going to hockey games and hanging out with wayne

00:43:53.720 gretzky every weekend there's certain things that you have to change about your lifestyle

00:43:57.960 not just because of the job that you have and that you're working 24 7 but because of the

00:44:03.480 the things that have to be put in place in order for you to do that i was out to dinner in dc last time

00:44:08.760 i was down there and uh at a restaurant a very nice restaurant and um in walks in cash patel and

00:44:17.680 a few other people uh john ratcliffe and they're sitting right behind us and the whole thing is

00:44:22.300 just i mean security here out here out here all in the government dime i mean

00:44:27.960 i don't know how to how any other way to put it but it's not a social job it's not a job for you

00:44:33.020 to go use everyone complained when christopher ray used his private jet to go fly to upstate new york

00:44:38.340 every week into his house but it's not a job that that's a social experiment it's a job that you're

00:44:44.020 working 24 hours a day not to say that you can't go out and have dinner every now and but every night

00:44:49.720 out to dinner every night this every night that i think it's got probably a lot of people annoyed

00:44:54.360 yeah i can see that but i can also see it on the other end too you know people see the president

00:45:00.660 golfing one weekend it's like oh my gosh i mean he's the you know the the most important man in

00:45:06.080 the entire world and you know how dare he go to his golf course and play golf and for these guys

00:45:11.400 it is a stressful job they're in and i'm great i'm not playing the world's smallest violin trust me

00:45:17.320 they're they're they're lucky to have those positions to be able to serve and do that but it is a

00:45:22.200 stressful job the hours are long it's not nine to five it's not monday through friday it's seven

00:45:28.060 days a week it's 24 7 of your i was going to say your pager going off but we've obviously moved

00:45:33.640 technology technology forward from that but your cell phone's going off i don't begrudge him that

00:45:38.740 now does i know that ratcliffe and uh and and patel have a prior relationship that could be part of

00:45:45.520 it too but i also think that the fbi director's job you are the hood ornament you're kind of the

00:45:50.780 you're the face you're doing you're doing close quarter battle you know administrative close

00:45:55.760 quarter battle up on capitol hill you're fighting for our budget you're you're you're arguing why

00:46:01.060 our mission focus is on this it's the deputy director that again which is why the only reason

00:46:06.800 why feels it was a mistake to bring bongino in was it should be someone with intimate knowledge of

00:46:12.660 the inner workings of the fbi and then to make certain that the agents are aligned with the mission

00:46:18.840 um and that the job is getting done now maybe these guys will round into the job maybe they'll

00:46:23.940 figure it out or maybe not but i i agree with you i've i've seen some of these articles and and heard

00:46:29.500 some of the whispers that it truly are the long knives are out and maybe the only thing holding

00:46:34.820 him in the position right now is his relationship with the president two questions for you before we

00:46:39.360 wrap uh first i'll go with this one an easy one whose call was this to bring in bailey do you believe

00:46:45.940 gosh i mean again do i know this you know do i know this because i have inside information

00:46:53.160 who would make who would make that kind of call i guess i feel like it would have to have come from

00:46:58.320 doj but again i don't know that for a fact but that would be my sense so pam bondi or todd blanch i i would

00:47:06.780 imagine but again that's me just reading that's all that's tea leaves interesting uh does cash patel

00:47:13.440 weather this storm do we see him depart your your your opinion with no prior knowledge of course does

00:47:18.580 he weather the storm or does he eventually see himself out i'm not going to go out on too far

00:47:23.940 of a limb here when i say this i do not believe that cash patel will serve a full 10-year term

00:47:29.520 interesting well i i take your word for a lot i mean you've been in this business for a very long

00:47:36.080 time and uh we always appreciate uh you know your take on everything i know the great lou dobbs always

00:47:41.500 appreciated you were one of his favorite guys um andrew bailey um i guess i could say this now

00:47:47.520 without lou being mad at me knowing everything that's going on andrew bailey was lou's pick for

00:47:52.580 attorney general i believe if he was alive um that may have uh possibly come true if he had the

00:48:00.040 presidency here uh you got the last word here james as always a delight to talk to you

00:48:04.420 john appreciate you appreciate you having me on um i think you're you're doing a great job and uh

00:48:10.440 i true i i i did not know mr dobbs the way that you do certainly um but i truly enjoyed our

00:48:16.780 conversations and i think what you're doing by by continuing his legacy is a wonderful wonderful

00:48:23.160 wonderful thing and i appreciate it and that's why i'll always uh i'll always join you when i have

00:48:27.600 some information or or something i feel like we should get out to the american public um i appreciate

00:48:32.160 you giving me a platform to do that anytime and like i said i i think you deserve more than a

00:48:37.000 minute on television which is why we spent a half hour over a half hour here today giving you the

00:48:41.440 floor because people need to hear the full side side of things the full story on things not just a

00:48:46.120 one minute clip and i think it's important for the american people and as always i appreciate you

00:48:50.240 joining us folks james galliano retired supervisory special agent with the fbi one of the good guys

00:48:56.000 james come back soon my friend absolutely will john you take care thanks to james galliano folks and

00:49:00.920 thank you all for being with us today here on the great america show we hope to see you back here

00:49:03.940 tomorrow for the great america show where our quest for truth justice and the american way continues

00:49:07.680 we'll meet you back here tomorrow same time same place until then may god bless you

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