The Great America Saturday Show： September 20, 2025
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Summary
The investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk continues, as Deputy Director Dan Bongino and Director Shakil Patel continue to let out information and documents about what they believe was the motive of this killer. The FBI is investigating the possibility that the assassination may have been premeditated, and that members of his network were privy to the fact that he was planning to kill Charlie months before he actually did it.
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hello everybody and welcome to the great america show it's great to have you with us on this
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beautiful day in america thank you so much for spending part of your evening with us happy
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monday the investigation into the assassin of charlie kirk continues as deputy director dan
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bongino and director cash patel continue to let out information and documents about what was the
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motive of this killer dan bongino deputy director was on fox news early this morning laying out some
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of the new facts in this fact-finding mission that they are now embarked upon there appear to have
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been multiple warning signs you just laid out some of them there were people in his network friends
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and family who had stated that he had become more political that he had become um at some parts i
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believe some of his co-workers had stated that he had kind of detached himself when the topic of
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politics came up and walked away from them family members said he'd become more political leading us
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to believe that this uh ideology had uh had infected him and had taken over and he was just intent it
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appears from the data we've accumulated and the channel and that uh that that note which we have
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some evidence uh may have existed before based on the communications in that channel that his target
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was obviously going to be charlie and that people knew in advance the question is again i just want
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to go back to what you had asked before did they know were they sure of this or did they hear this and
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just write it off that's what we're going to have to find out and that's what we're investigating
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now bill this this investigation is is just begun this isn't even the beginning of the uh of the
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beginning you know yes we have a subject in custody you know everybody's innocent till proven guilty in
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our constitutional republic however this is not done by any stretch our men and women out there in
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the bureau have worked tirelessly all weekend i just got back um to dc uh last night and uh we you
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know cash and i were out there on the scene we walked the scene we went through every single
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component of it we saw the evidence up close and personal and we went out there to be able to make
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uh command decisions with our team on the ground and i think the process although not perfect of
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course i think the process went uh went pretty well considering we got him in 30 33 hours yeah
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and just moments later cash patel uh had his own fox news interview in which he laid out
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um some of the group chats and how many people may have been privy to the fact that he was getting
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ready to assassinate charlie months before he actually did it take a listen going back to the
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group chats real quick there's more than 20 individuals but this is a great point i want
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to lay out how this works people think we can just get in these group chats and immediately find out
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who's in them we the fbi are the investigatory body supporting multiple prosecutions and ongoing
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investigations and that's another point our investigation at the fbi is ongoing um and there
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are scores of people in this discord chat room but we have to effectuate legal process we have to go
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out there with search warrants so that if prosecutors want to later use this evidence it's not tainted by
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being illegally obtained we the fbi are running the investigation pointly on the discord chat group
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there are scores of individuals that are going to be spoken to there are also lots of family members
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and friends that have already been spoken to and one more point on forensics we were able to obtain
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in record time the text message chain between the suspect and his live-in partner as well as other
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critical cellular information from our cast team that analyzes cell phone data towers in the area to
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pinpoint the locations of the suspect and other individuals he was speaking with this is critical
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information that the fbi processed and got to prosecutors so they can lawfully use it in a court of
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law and our investigation our interviews continue but we've learned some shocking things when we spoke
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to his family and friends as well and earlier today vice president jd vance hosted charlie show the charlie
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kirk show uh we want to bring you a little clip of that uh because jd jd vance had some just absolutely
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valiant and salient points um about how this ends when does this end how do americans uh stop this from
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happening how do you what what is to be done when you can't make peace with these marxist democrats
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who want death upon anyone who disagrees not all of them but the ones who are out here portraying this
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hate that has led this psychopath to assassinate an innocent man take a listen i really do believe
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that we can come together in this country i believe we must but unity real unity can be found only after
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climbing the mountain of truth and there are difficult truths we must confront in our country
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one truth is that 24 percent of self-described quote very liberals believe it is acceptable to be happy
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about the death of a political opponent while only three percent of self-described very conservatives
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agree three percent is too many of course another truth is that 26 percent of young liberals believe
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political violence is sometimes justified and only seven percent of young conservatives say the same
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again too high a number in a country of 330 million people you can of course find one person of a given
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political persuasion justifying this or that or almost anything but the data is clear people on the left
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are much likelier to defend and celebrate political violence this is not a both sides problem if both sides
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have a problem one side has a much bigger and malignant problem and that is the truth we must be told
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that problem has terrible consequences the leader of our party donald j trump escaped an assassin's bullet
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by less than an inch our house majority lever steven scalise came within seconds of death by an assassin
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himself and now the most influential conservative activist in generations our friend charlie has been
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murdered this violence it doesn't come from nowhere now any political movement violent or not violent
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is a collection of forces it's like a pyramid that stacks on top one support on top of the other that
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pyramid's got a foundation of donors of activists of journalists now of social media influencers and of
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course of politicians not every member of that pyramid would commit a murder in fact over 99 percent i'm sure would
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not but by celebrating that murder apologizing for it and emphasizing not charlie's innocence but the
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fact that he said things some didn't like even to the point of lying about what he actually said
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many of these people are creating an environment where things like this are inevitably going to happen
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a couple of months ago i had land a fundraiser in southern california and since you know we'd be out
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there anyways my wife and i decided to take our kids to disneyland one weekend we had fun and to be
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clear most of the guests said very nice things or they just left us alone but there was a loud and
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very cool minority that would shout at my children who were eight five and three whenever they got the
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opportunity you should disown your dad you little shit one middle-aged woman yelled at my five-year-old
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tell the secret service to protect the constitution not your father screamed another are these women
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violent probably not are they deranged certainly and while our side of the aisle certainly has its
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crazies it is a statistical fact that most of the lunatics in american politics today are proud members
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of the far left after charlie died one of his friends and one of our senior white house staffers
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had left-leaning operatives in his neighborhood passing out leaflets telling people what he looked
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like and where he lived encouraging neighbors to harass him or god forbid to do worse while he was mourning
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his dead friend he and his wife had to worry about the political terrorists drawing a big target on the
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home he shares with his young children are these people violent i hope not but are they guilty of
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encouraging violence you damn well better believe it we can thank god that most democrats don't share
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these attitudes and i do while acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a lunatic fringe
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a minority but a growing and powerful minority on the far left there is no unity with people who scream
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that children over their parents politics there is no unity with someone who lies about what charlie
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kirk said in order to excuse his murder there is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family
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the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend there is no unity with the people who
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celebrate charlie kirk's assassination and there is no unity with the people who fund these articles who pay the
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salaries of these terrorist sympathizers who argue that charlie kirk a loving husband and father
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deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree that's one of the best
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speeches i've ever heard or uh comments ever heard from jd vance uh absolute true gentleman like
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fashion uh new uh shakeup possibly happening over at the fbi folks and uh we're here to tell you all
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about it andrew bailey who's the uh former as of today former missouri attorney general starting today
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is co-deputy director with dan bongino over at the uh at the fbi talks news has a new article out
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today knives are out for embattled fbi director cash patel despite support from donald j trump
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they say bailey's installment comes at a perilous time for fbi director cash patel whose leadership
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topped the nation's premier law enforcement agencies under fire according to 10 sources
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for multiple federal offices granted anonymity to speak freely the white house reasoning to create
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these unprecedented office for bailey has not been explained and the fbi leadership is confused
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two people at the agency say quote the white house bondi blanche have no confidence in cash
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him in particular cannot stand him blanche either he said referring to attorney general
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pam bondi and uh deputy todd blanche bondi and blanche denied this characterization white house
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officials denied any plans to remove director patel from his positioning but allies of president
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trump and patel's hardest harshest critics have begun to circulate word that contingency plans for
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patel's ouster are forming they also claim that this host hopeful predecessor andrew bailey
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made clear he would not leave his post as missouri ag or abandon his aspirations to run for state
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governor only to serve as patel's number two under the federal vacancies reform act of 1998
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bailey who started at the bureau on september 15th which happens to be today would be eligible to fill
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the fbi director post should become vacant after he's been employed by the fbi for at least 90 days
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or as those who are good at math three months so it's unclear how this will all play out and um
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if bailey does wind up taking over as fbi director we're unsure we're not privy to any sort of inside
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knowledge to it but that's what's being reported today as andrew bailey starts his new job uh as a
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deputy director of the fbi uh coinciding with dan bongino we'll keep you up to date as always here on the
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great america show should we find out any sort of inside information president trump and his war on
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the drug lords who mean to destroy america getting some bad news today if you're joining us here on
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video you've got that video up there on your screen the latest drug lords who thought they were going to
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deliver drugs to america i guess they learned the hard way that it's not going to happen as you see
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there yet another uh vessel absolutely annihilated as they should be as they absolutely should be
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president trump posting this following video on truth social uh with the message quote this morning
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at my orders u.s military forces conducted a second kinetic strike against positively identified
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and extraordinary violent drug trafficking cartels and narco terrorists in the south com
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area of my responsibility the strike occurred while these confirmed narco terrorists from
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venezuela imagine that folks from venezuela once again these narco terrorists from venezuela were
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international waters transporting illegal narcotics headed to the united states these extremely deadly
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violent terrorist cartels pose a threat to the u.s national security foreign policy
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and a vital u.s interest the strike resulted in three male terrorists killed in action
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no u.s forces were harmed in the strike be warned if you're transporting drugs that can kill americans
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we are hunting you these illicit activities by these cartels have wrought devastation devastating
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consequences on american communities for decades killing millions and millions of american terrorists
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no longer and as always thank you for your attention to this matter let's watch that one more time
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because that's truly amazing absolutely amazing to watch
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oh boy see you later oh boy that's amazing absolutely amazing folks we're gonna take a quick break here
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on the other side of this quick break we're gonna be joined by a friend of mine former supervisory
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special agent with the fbi james gagliano you'll probably see him on tv he doesn't get enough
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time on television so we brought him on the great america show um to talk about everything that's
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going on this new shake-up potentially happening to the fbi the charlie kirk investigation and much
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much more folks the great america show continues in just one moment please stay with us we're coming
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thanks for staying with us folks and now as promised a man who you probably see on tv if you've been
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watching tv the last week or so who i think deserves a lot more time which is why he's on this podcast
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uh a former supervisory special agent with the fbi james gagliano a good friend of mine a terrific
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gentleman james thanks so much for for joining us today john good good to see you again and uh
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happy to join you i'm looking forward to the conversation it's it's always a good one so let's
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let's keep the train rolling uh let's begin with i guess first what happened last week uh now the
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details are starting to come out james that this shooter who assassinated charlie kirk cased the
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campus he was on all these online forums which i did a show last week for an hour james
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laying out these online forums and how i believe kids are getting more radicalized now with things
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like reddit uh this discord conversation uh your your take on everything yeah i uh i agree i mean
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we've long we've long since that university campuses are essentially um they're they're they're like
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petri dishes for for a certain ideological bent and and there's a problem with that when you have
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you know 90 plus percent of college and university professors all hew to the same ideological bent
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um it's it's it's it's difficult to fathom how rankled they can get um when somebody like charlie
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kirk who was an interlocutor he's a guy that just wanted to meet you in the public square roll his
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sleeves up not not for fisticuffs but to debate you and to see this happen look this is this is a
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disturbing trend and i'll and i'll and i'll rattle off some uh some statistics for you first of all
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um some of the recent polling put out it shows that progressives uh the the majority of progressives
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believe that political violence is okay um that's just it's staggering and it really it's worse when you
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get to the younger ages when you move through the millennials and down to gen z and look what's
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happened in the last one year plus july 13th 2024 then candidate president trump was out on the
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campaign trail in butler pennsylvania and nearly lost his life december 4th 2024 luigi mani mangioni
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guns down the united healthcare ceo in the back in in new york city just a few weeks ago august 27th of
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this year uh in minneapolis roman catholic church two young children were killed while attending mass
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and then of course what happened to charlie kirk last week which was by definition of political
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assassination um this is all too often and yes it is younger the four incidents i just i just you know
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ticked off off the top of my head all involved gen z shooters young males that decided that the way to
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settle our differences was to take someone's life and i'll wrap it up with this we're entering an
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we're entering an inflection point right now in a new paradigm and what that paradigm is is the
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assassination culture and what is that john assassination culture is where somebody takes a
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grievance or grievances because these are all grievance collectors whether it's a terrorist whether
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it's a political assassin or whether it's a mass shooter you take a grievance you add to it an
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ideology where you believe that your ideology is superior to mine and then you covered in a patina
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of moral absolutism where you believe that taking someone's life is okay for the cause and that's what
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this is john this is assassination culture petri dish reference i think it probably puts it best you've got
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we've seen uh the best and worst come out over people over this last week since this has happened it's
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not even been a week uh just under a week since this has happened uh you've seen college professors
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university professors you've seen uh people on television out here justifying that an assassination
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is somehow justifiable because they don't agree with the ideology that charlie kirk portrayed
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how has it come to this point james in this country where this is the way that you handle
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political differences charlie as you said was out there giving people a voice who quite honestly
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i would never platform these psychopaths i mean a lot of them are sick sick people as we see
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um but platforming people who don't deserve to have a platform allowing them to have a voice
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now they didn't always win the debate because most of the time their ideology was was extremely radical
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um but this is a man who who gave so much to people who deserved so little yet this is how they give
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back to him i mean should we all be worried yeah i mean look john you know we're as a country in 250
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years i mean we're no stranger to political violence i mean four sitting presidents were killed in office
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and even if you fast forward to to current times whether it's gabby gifford being shot or steve
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scolise being shot or attempts on the lives of uh justice kavanaugh and others i mean i i hate you
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it sounds so trite and cliched i hate to suggest you know new normal but these are elected officials
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whether it's the president vice president a presidential candidate a member of congress
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um a supreme court justice or a cabinet secretary these are people that typically have security details
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and not that you expect it but you have to anticipate that somebody may want to take their
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life to your point charlie's sin was basically preaching conservatism and christianity and just
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saying hey prove me wrong i'm going to explain to you why i think my ideas are right and and you tell
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me what your ideas are and let's discuss it it it has had a chilling effect now having said that
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i have a feeling that the exact opposite of what the assassin and his little click of fanboys and
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fangirls um it's going to have a different effect you can see it with turning point usa right now
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they are breaking all kinds of records for membership um different chapters are opening up on on college
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campuses and in high schools and and that is a dream that only a dream that charlie could have had
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that he would have had this kind of impact and effect in death even more so than he did in life
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when when something happens when a gun is involved the democrats always use it as gun control right this
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is time to take the guns away point the guns point the fingers at the guns and people need to lose
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their guns truth of the matter is as a man who spent his career in law enforcement the uh the bad guys
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always find a way to get a gun i reference uh shinzo abe in in japan getting killed by a ghost gun i mean
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there's oh where there's a will there's a way there's no i mean that's never been disproven before
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so the bad guys are always going to get the guns the democrats pointed the guns that's who's accountable
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in in their sense for killings but when you look at this james who is to take accountability for this
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in my opinion it's the media it's the people who have pushed this narrative for 10 years that
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donald trump is adolf hitler that anyone who supports donald trump is a racist a misogynist
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i mean go down the list of adjectives that you want to raffle off that these people have called
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us who support donald trump and i'm talking about myself i don't even know if you support donald trump
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but just looking at it on his face which doesn't matter but the names the divisiveness that they
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have pointed that they they brought out you had a former fbi director who i guess you worked under at
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your time there just a few months ago posting a picture of 86 47 he says as a career law enforcement man
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he didn't know what it meant i think everybody in law enforcement know what 86 means yeah it uh you're
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you're referencing a former fbi director disgraced former fbi director james comey there when he was
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apparently strolling along the beach with his wife and saw the assembled shells in 8647 and thought it
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would be cute to post it on instagram if that's not example number one million of why he was unfit to
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serve as an fbi director um john i i don't know what is um your your points are all well taken heck if i
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told you right now john i could i could put you on a time transport bring you back in time to when hitler
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was alive and you had an opportunity to kill him would you do that and we'd all think man we could
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have saved six million lives by doing that that is where we're putting these young um and again with
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these and i don't want to beat up on gen z but these young impressionable minds whether mass shooters
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terrorists political assassins they're impressionable they're young they're typically
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disenfranchised disconnected um and this is their way of doing something that's important you keep
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beating the drum that that somebody is hitler or that his followers are nazis or fascists
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sooner or later somebody unhinged is going to take is going to take action and my last point going back
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to the guns we're a nation of 327 million people there are more guns in the country than there are
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people the guns aren't the issue here in in all those shootings that i reference or most of them
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um these were legally obtained guns that unfortunately fell into the hands of somebody
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that shouldn't have whether it was a family member that that owned the gun or the person bought it
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legally so i don't know what laws that aren't already on the books you could put in place you're
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certainly not going to go around and collect up everybody's guns that's simply not going to happen
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so to continue to bash you know the gun culture i don't think that's what it is i think that's an
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intellectually dishonest argument but i'm sure we're going to continue to hear more of it yeah
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of course because you know why james what happens is a shooting like this happens a democrat sends
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out an email to everybody on their email list and says donate we're fighting against guns and i mean
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it's the same playbook every single time i mean this case we're finding out more details about this
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guy tyler robinson lived with a reporter it's being reported that he's with living with a
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transgender lover was on all these online forums which i i want to ask you because uh it seems to
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be and like i said in my opinion this is where kids are getting um more radicalized when you were
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working in the fbi as a supervisory special agent were these forums like reddit will use for example
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uh around were they moderated by the fbi were they looked into by the fbi
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um because it seems now they're overwhelmingly being used to bounce ideas off each other about
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killing people or whatever well you gotta you gotta remember i'm a dinosaur so i came in in 1991
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after serving in the u.s army and uh and i cut my teeth under guys that had come in under j edgar
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hoover now the fbi has been around for 117 years there have only been nine senate confirmed fbi
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directors and the first one j edgar hoover served for 48 years from uh from 1924 until he died in 1972
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under eight presidents calvin coolidge all the way to richard nixon so much of the bureau culture when i
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came in was still predicated on on on his thinking now obviously we all recognize that technology
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and police sciences have advanced greatly especially in the last 10 to 20 years so to your point about
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the cyber aspect of this absolutely um it's something that um it is a concern now just because
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somebody says something doesn't necessarily mean they're going to act on it you have to try to weigh
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in on these things and is was this something said in the heat of the moment was it hyperbole was it
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satire or is this individual going to act on it and then lastly we've got that pesky little thing
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uh two things one we've got that pesky little thing called the fourth amendment which protects us
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from illegal searches and seizures and guarantees you some type of privacy uh and when you look at
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it from this perspective too there are you know as i said 327 million people in the united states
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there's only 12 000 fbi agents and the internet is vast and deep and dark and it's impossible to
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to to monitor everything that's why john i'll make this last pitch see something say something is not
00:27:44.980
just a cute trite you know state you know saying if you see something or hear something you've got to
00:27:51.800
reach out to law enforcement because oftentimes people will actually give you their plans and it's
00:27:58.880
out there and we don't find out about it until the action has already happened yeah like we just saw
00:28:03.700
this guy reached out i guess after the fact even though now it's apparent he was telling his
00:28:07.960
transgender lover and other people on these these databases that um he was going to do it people
00:28:13.080
posted about it on twitter um and things like that you know it's it's so just beyond disturbing
00:28:18.940
that we've hit this new low point in this country where you know we're resorting to violence like this
00:28:26.840
it's just it's so sick how do we before we move on how do we pull ourselves out of this
00:28:31.780
how do we get out of this i mean weekly school shooter thing this this weekly uh uh transgender
00:28:38.760
mass rage this weekly it seems every week it's something else by these kids who people come out
00:28:46.140
after and say oh we totally knew he was going to do that yeah i think part of it is um you have to look
00:28:53.360
at it from the perspective of security remember bad guys whether it's a terrorist or a mass shooter
00:29:00.180
or a political assassin or a petty thief bad guys they're like water they take the path of least
00:29:08.100
resistance deterrence is a thing you know we have security at banks we have security at yankee stadium
00:29:15.660
why don't we have security or enough security at schools in our country where our most precious
00:29:23.240
resources our kids the next generation why aren't we doing a better job there of making sure that we
00:29:30.400
have armed personnel there and i know you know and i hate to use the word optics it's an ugly word but i
00:29:36.120
know the optics are that we don't want to you know have our kids you know have to see an armed guard well
00:29:41.600
what would you rather have that or would you have somebody come in and have a clear path to hurting our
00:29:46.920
children so i think that's the biggest thing we've got to readjust our sense of what the right thing
00:29:53.120
to do is to harden targets yeah yeah you're right i'll tell you why we can't do that james because
00:29:58.300
we can't afford it we're too busy sending money to every other foreign nation on the other side of
00:30:03.080
the atlantic ocean and i guess the pacific ocean as well that's why it costs too much money we'd rather
00:30:08.840
have our kids not be safe and safe in school to put one armed guard if one armed guard saves one life
00:30:14.820
james that's enough that justifies it enough for me
00:30:17.740
let me get your take on this and this is my opinion of what happened um the shooting happens
00:30:30.380
we know nothing cash patel tweets out later that night we've got a guy in suspect in custody
00:30:35.900
turns out it's not him we got another guy in custody turns out it's not him we start getting
00:30:41.260
information leaking slowly out there okay we start getting surveillance tapes the surveillance
00:30:45.440
tapes were taken from the school and other people's doorbells so we have citizen fbi agents will call
00:30:50.900
them people who are good samaritans who are providing help to these people uh 16 hours in 17 hours in we
00:30:57.780
have these press conferences still no lead on this guy there's a gun that's found in the in the bushes
00:31:02.280
the family members start to reach out the boyfriend of this fellow reaches out the father finds out that
00:31:08.660
it's his son everything that was done for this was to my opinion no help of the fbi everything that
00:31:16.940
was done here was provided by family members and by good samaritans do you think the fbi tell me if
00:31:23.620
i'm wrong has maybe lost its touch a little bit with investigative work getting things down to the core
00:31:30.240
because as i said everything in my opinion here seems like it was done by what i'm calling citizen
00:31:35.200
fbi and police officers yeah i've agreed with a hundred percent of everything you said up to this
00:31:41.440
point where i would i would push back on this fbi's made some mistakes and obviously the fbi is in need
00:31:48.100
of reform i think that the current leadership is doing some of that in a manner that myself and many
00:31:55.740
like me retired agents um that spent quarter century in the bureau um like to see but there's there's
00:32:03.440
much that still needs to be done to your point about this particular investigation um i disagree
00:32:09.120
um police sciences as i said before has evolved greatly you know from when we first began lifting
00:32:16.380
latent fingerprints in the 30s and comparing them and and and tying somebody to a to to an item like a
00:32:23.200
like like the murder weapon um all the way up to the mid 80s when we began to use dna technology and
00:32:29.180
and we were first able to convict somebody on dna evidence alone um investigations have changed
00:32:36.120
everything today is so laden with technology there's a big portion of that there were 3 000 people
00:32:44.520
in attendance at charlie kirk's last campus visit at utah valley university where he tragically lost his
00:32:51.980
life the vast majority of them were filming it so you imagine all of the videos the stills and the
00:32:58.840
images and the and the video that needed to be collected then you have as you pointed out traffic
00:33:05.160
cam footage you have security camera footage you have ring doorbell footage you tie that in now all
00:33:11.460
that technology with old school shoe leather of knocking on doors wearing out the soles of your loafers
00:33:18.800
by by walking and talking and and and taking witness statements a lot of work john look at it like
00:33:26.980
this and trust me i've been harshly critical um of the fbi and i know you and i have had conversations
00:33:32.320
where i had been harshly critical of them they brought this guy in in 33 hours and without the
00:33:39.400
released images which they had to collect when i say the fbi i'm also speaking law enforcement at large
00:33:45.460
because the state and local folks were hand-in-glove partners on this but i think it was a veritable
00:33:52.840
miracle um that it was done so quickly i knew they'd catch him if this guy had been a professional
00:33:58.680
assassin like people originally erroneously stated he would have jumped off the building where his
00:34:05.000
sniper perch was he would have walked over to a car in the parking lot pulled out onto the main drag and
00:34:11.260
gotten onto i-15 a major artery a major roadway major thoroughfare and been hundreds of miles away
00:34:18.720
before anybody would have had any idea he was a shooter but he didn't he just because like i say
00:34:24.320
there are no perfect crimes he stumbled around the parking lot then he stumbled around the contiguous
00:34:28.840
neighborhoods and ultimately the information that was put out by the fbi led to the father recognizing
00:34:34.760
him and i'll just close with this imagine the pain in that father's life you know this takes me back
00:34:41.160
to the 70s and the 80s when ted kaczynski the unabomber was sending you know uh pipe bombs and package
00:34:48.140
bombs to academics and scientists that he that he was disagreed with he wrote a manifesto which was
00:34:54.080
published in the washington post in the new york times and in 1996 his brother recognized the ramblings
00:35:00.800
and the musings of a madman and turned him in same instance here but no i would just close by saying
00:35:06.760
i think the fbi did good work i can certainly give you some things i wish they had done differently
00:35:12.020
one of which was the fbi director making a colossal mistake in coming out immediately and saying we
00:35:19.760
have a suspect in custody and then it turned out it was just a person of interest who had been
00:35:24.140
interviewed and released and another person of interest interviewed and released that that you
00:35:29.800
know that made us look like a coney island clown car and could have had serious consequences i understand
00:35:36.400
the need to be transparent and get information out quickly but john that's the only mistake that i can
00:35:41.160
see from this 30 000 foot macro level that i would have said you should have handled that differently
00:35:46.640
yeah i'm gonna agree with you on that i don't believe that there's a public's right to know on
00:35:51.760
every aspect of this investigation is you some of these people you tip off i mean most of these people
00:35:57.700
who know they're out there looking for you they watch the news they watch everything and they watch
00:36:02.820
every tip that comes out so if they know you're onto them they may go kill themselves which i'd rather
00:36:06.960
this guy be brought in alive than him killing himself and taking the coward's way out so
00:36:10.460
you know i'm not i'm not all for you know letting every piece of detail out if you need help you put
00:36:15.720
out the pictures which is clearly what they did i guess the point i'm trying to make is if this guy's
00:36:20.140
father didn't come forward and his family and the pastor who convinced him to turn himself in
00:36:26.020
how much longer would it have take to got him to get him and and i related i related everything back
00:36:31.080
james to january 6th where i know there was fbi agents banging down people's doors the day after
00:36:37.180
january 6th with no dna just video footage so i i try to relate everything back to that because the
00:36:42.720
democrats tell us that was the worst day in history and um you know they were able to get people within
00:36:47.460
hours of of not even doing anything wrong for some of them yeah that uh i i agree with you what you
00:36:55.620
said at the top there that um you know release of information it's got to be targeted it's got to
00:37:02.320
be done intelligently you want the the public has a right to know of course in a in a free and open
00:37:09.560
society like the united states of america however there are times for some of the very reasons that
00:37:14.600
you mentioned that that information um and intelligence is held back and not released but look
00:37:21.240
crowdsourcing is a thing and the ability to put something out whether it's a bolo or be on the
00:37:25.920
lookout for um it it is a thing and in this instance as you rightly referenced the father the clergy member
00:37:33.400
that was a friend of the family uh were able to to identify the the the kid he literally is a kid
00:37:40.500
um and make the id and get him um and and get him over to federal authorities now the hard part is
00:37:47.200
putting together an airtight case which i believe they'll have the fbi director this morning on fox
00:37:52.400
and friends stated that uh they have dna on a towel that was wrapped around the weapon um and and dna from
00:37:59.300
um some other things that he might have touched that tie him to the crime and the crime scene and
00:38:04.920
obviously the weapon um but this is the hard work and look you know the death penalty may be on the
00:38:10.000
table you've got to get two juries two juries of 12 people each to agree so you've got to get a jury
00:38:15.820
twice to agree to put him to death and out in utah they don't play around they still have the firing
00:38:22.280
squad as the chosen method of execution yeah and it can't come soon enough i'm just glad they got
00:38:28.760
him alive before we wrap up i want to get your take on something it's a new story out today and
00:38:32.980
um there's a new uh co-director of the um i guess you call him assistant director of the fbi with dan
00:38:39.760
bongino his name is andrew bailey he's a former uh missouri attorney general he's been on the show many
00:38:44.920
times i i've gotten to know him very well a very very good time a very very good man uh by all
00:38:50.620
accounts a gentleman uh just a very overall good guy i can't sing his praise enough but there's a
00:38:56.080
new article out from fox news today and it's titled quote knives are out for embattled fbi director cash
00:39:01.560
patel despite trump's support now this article says according to 10 sources from multiple federal
00:39:08.420
offices granted anonymity to speak the white house reasoning to create an unprecedented office
00:39:13.600
for bailey has not been explained and left the fbi leadership confused according to two people at
00:39:19.100
the agency quote the white house bondi and blanche have no confidence in cash one source with knowledge
00:39:27.180
said this on this condition of anonymity uh pam in particular cannot stand him blanche either
00:39:32.560
that's of course referring to pam bondi ag and deputy ag todd blanche now bondi and blanche denied the
00:39:39.480
characterizations and said the white house officials denied any plans to remove director patel from his
00:39:45.560
position but it makes you wonder why bring in now bailey has said in the past he wouldn't leave his job
00:39:52.880
as missouri ag because i think he wants to run for governor eventually um why would he leave his job
00:39:58.940
as ag to go over take a deputy job at the fbi if there isn't a shake-up coming yeah now out of all the
00:40:06.120
names you mentioned the only person that i know intimately is todd blanche todd was a chief in the
00:40:12.680
criminal division in the southern district in new york in the department of justice when i was an fbi
00:40:17.160
supervisor um overseeing violent street gang um uh investigations and and todd was the prosecutor so i
00:40:25.400
know him well um i've got great great great respect for him having said that i have not spoken to him about
00:40:32.360
this matter um so i can speculate and uh and not get in trouble so my feeling is this when when when
00:40:40.040
director patel was selected um a lot of people had misgivings about it including fbi colleagues
00:40:46.240
currently on board and retired um regarding experience and the fact that you know he had
00:40:51.800
written a book and he had said some kooky things in the book like the seventh floor of fbi headquarters
00:40:56.880
should be turned into a museum to the deep state and we get it we get the wild hyperbole and
00:41:02.200
obviously he was playing to an audience of one in the president but um you know the job is a serious
00:41:08.280
and a sober undertaking and i did look at cash's background the fact that he was a he was a public
00:41:15.020
defender for a number of years he was a prosecutor a line prosecutor in the department of justice um he
00:41:21.560
had worked on the hill for a while he had some experience in in certain areas working with the
00:41:26.880
dni in the first trump administration so i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt i've i've tried
00:41:32.980
to maintain that i'm remaining agnostic now with dan um dan's a dan bongino who's the deputy director
00:41:40.620
and that position is not a political position it's never been appointed somebody appointed from outside
00:41:47.320
the bureau this is a brick agent that works his way or her way up the ranks and serves in that position
00:41:54.420
it's kind of like um you know you've got a jet you know at west point you've got a superintendent who's
00:41:59.540
in charge of the academy and then you've got a commandant that runs the cadets the day-to-day life
00:42:04.920
of the cadets well that's what a deputy director does so when they brought cash in and dan i thought
00:42:11.900
that was a mistake many of us did but okay we'll give them the bend for the doubt for them to bring
00:42:18.080
in andrew bailey who i agree with you i don't know him personally i know him by reputation um he's very
00:42:24.440
well thought of in in my circles but for them to bring him in and make him a co-deputy director that
00:42:31.560
has never happened in the 117 year history of the of the federal bureau of investigation sure does it
00:42:38.320
make people think that hey it's just going to be a matter of time before there is a you know somebody
00:42:43.620
gets dislodged from position and and he slides in has director patel made some mistakes yeah i'd like
00:42:50.900
him to stay off of x or the old twitter i don't need to hear from him every day same thing with dan
00:42:56.960
bongino i don't need to hear from you every day i understand the pendulum and in former administrations
00:43:03.580
there was a lack of transparency so now we've got to swing it all the way the other way but john
00:43:09.480
i think that's a mistake um there there could be changes coming and again i don't know that for a
00:43:17.620
fact um but i do hope that if there aren't changes coming that uh that they could kind of
00:43:23.520
right this ship because this in this last investigation the investigators did a great job
00:43:29.200
but the fbi director and the fbi administration um there could have been some things that were
00:43:35.120
done differently for my to my satisfaction yeah there's certain things you give up james when you
00:43:39.680
take a job like that and it's pretty much your lifestyle your social life and it's you you know
00:43:44.780
it going into it if you're to take that job you're not going out to dinner every single night you're not
00:43:49.420
going to broadway plays on the weekend you're not going to hockey games and hanging out with wayne
00:43:53.720
gretzky every weekend there's certain things that you have to change about your lifestyle
00:43:57.960
not just because of the job that you have and that you're working 24 7 but because of the
00:44:03.480
the things that have to be put in place in order for you to do that i was out to dinner in dc last time
00:44:08.760
i was down there and uh at a restaurant a very nice restaurant and um in walks in cash patel and
00:44:17.680
a few other people uh john ratcliffe and they're sitting right behind us and the whole thing is
00:44:22.300
just i mean security here out here out here all in the government dime i mean
00:44:27.960
i don't know how to how any other way to put it but it's not a social job it's not a job for you
00:44:33.020
to go use everyone complained when christopher ray used his private jet to go fly to upstate new york
00:44:38.340
every week into his house but it's not a job that that's a social experiment it's a job that you're
00:44:44.020
working 24 hours a day not to say that you can't go out and have dinner every now and but every night
00:44:49.720
out to dinner every night this every night that i think it's got probably a lot of people annoyed
00:44:54.360
yeah i can see that but i can also see it on the other end too you know people see the president
00:45:00.660
golfing one weekend it's like oh my gosh i mean he's the you know the the most important man in
00:45:06.080
the entire world and you know how dare he go to his golf course and play golf and for these guys
00:45:11.400
it is a stressful job they're in and i'm great i'm not playing the world's smallest violin trust me
00:45:17.320
they're they're they're lucky to have those positions to be able to serve and do that but it is a
00:45:22.200
stressful job the hours are long it's not nine to five it's not monday through friday it's seven
00:45:28.060
days a week it's 24 7 of your i was going to say your pager going off but we've obviously moved
00:45:33.640
technology technology forward from that but your cell phone's going off i don't begrudge him that
00:45:38.740
now does i know that ratcliffe and uh and and patel have a prior relationship that could be part of
00:45:45.520
it too but i also think that the fbi director's job you are the hood ornament you're kind of the
00:45:50.780
you're the face you're doing you're doing close quarter battle you know administrative close
00:45:55.760
quarter battle up on capitol hill you're fighting for our budget you're you're you're arguing why
00:46:01.060
our mission focus is on this it's the deputy director that again which is why the only reason
00:46:06.800
why feels it was a mistake to bring bongino in was it should be someone with intimate knowledge of
00:46:12.660
the inner workings of the fbi and then to make certain that the agents are aligned with the mission
00:46:18.840
um and that the job is getting done now maybe these guys will round into the job maybe they'll
00:46:23.940
figure it out or maybe not but i i agree with you i've i've seen some of these articles and and heard
00:46:29.500
some of the whispers that it truly are the long knives are out and maybe the only thing holding
00:46:34.820
him in the position right now is his relationship with the president two questions for you before we
00:46:39.360
wrap uh first i'll go with this one an easy one whose call was this to bring in bailey do you believe
00:46:45.940
gosh i mean again do i know this you know do i know this because i have inside information
00:46:53.160
who would make who would make that kind of call i guess i feel like it would have to have come from
00:46:58.320
doj but again i don't know that for a fact but that would be my sense so pam bondi or todd blanch i i would
00:47:06.780
imagine but again that's me just reading that's all that's tea leaves interesting uh does cash patel
00:47:13.440
weather this storm do we see him depart your your your opinion with no prior knowledge of course does
00:47:18.580
he weather the storm or does he eventually see himself out i'm not going to go out on too far
00:47:23.940
of a limb here when i say this i do not believe that cash patel will serve a full 10-year term
00:47:29.520
interesting well i i take your word for a lot i mean you've been in this business for a very long
00:47:36.080
time and uh we always appreciate uh you know your take on everything i know the great lou dobbs always
00:47:41.500
appreciated you were one of his favorite guys um andrew bailey um i guess i could say this now
00:47:47.520
without lou being mad at me knowing everything that's going on andrew bailey was lou's pick for
00:47:52.580
attorney general i believe if he was alive um that may have uh possibly come true if he had the
00:48:00.040
presidency here uh you got the last word here james as always a delight to talk to you
00:48:04.420
john appreciate you appreciate you having me on um i think you're you're doing a great job and uh
00:48:10.440
i true i i i did not know mr dobbs the way that you do certainly um but i truly enjoyed our
00:48:16.780
conversations and i think what you're doing by by continuing his legacy is a wonderful wonderful
00:48:23.160
wonderful thing and i appreciate it and that's why i'll always uh i'll always join you when i have
00:48:27.600
some information or or something i feel like we should get out to the american public um i appreciate
00:48:32.160
you giving me a platform to do that anytime and like i said i i think you deserve more than a
00:48:37.000
minute on television which is why we spent a half hour over a half hour here today giving you the
00:48:41.440
floor because people need to hear the full side side of things the full story on things not just a
00:48:46.120
one minute clip and i think it's important for the american people and as always i appreciate you
00:48:50.240
joining us folks james galliano retired supervisory special agent with the fbi one of the good guys
00:48:56.000
james come back soon my friend absolutely will john you take care thanks to james galliano folks and
00:49:00.920
thank you all for being with us today here on the great america show we hope to see you back here
00:49:03.940
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00:49:07.680
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