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00:01:14.940 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Sunday Show. It is great to have

00:01:23.580 you with us. A big week ahead for Congress. It's their first week back to work since the middle

00:01:28.640 of December. There will be a lot on the congressional agenda that they'll have to deal with in this new

00:01:33.880 year. FISA reform, a budget that makes sense for America, and perhaps the most important of all,

00:01:40.520 the impeachment of the most corrupt politician in the history of this country, Joseph Robinette

00:01:46.380 Biden. On the agenda this week will be a contempt of Congress resolution against Hunter Biden for

00:01:52.980 failing to show for a transcribed interview. You recall Hunter Biden showed up outside the Capitol

00:01:59.640 to grandstand and put on something of a show of his own. The judiciary and oversight committees will

00:02:06.240 hold a markup for the resolution this Wednesday and once voted out of committee, that resolution moves

00:02:12.100 to the House floor where, if it passes, will be sent over to the Department of Justice to decide

00:02:18.000 whether they bring charges against the president's embattled son. Personally, I don't see any reason to

00:02:24.180 expect any adherence to either law or decency by the Justice Department in their response, even though

00:02:31.420 the DOJ brought immediate charges against both Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro, both held in

00:02:37.140 contempt. They even had legitimate immunity claims. A new poll out this week from Suffolk University USA

00:02:44.420 Today shows 52 percent of Trump supporters aren't confident their votes will be accurately counted in

00:02:51.280 the 2024 election. To the contrary, 81 percent of Dems believe their votes will be counted accurately.

00:02:58.600 This is one of those rare moments, in my opinion, where voters of both parties could actually be

00:03:04.600 right. Our first guest today is GOP strategist and pollster, Trump advisor John McLaughlin. And John,

00:03:11.400 it's great to have you back with us. Let's talk politics, of course. Please give us your assessment

00:03:16.200 of where we stand right now, first and foremost, in the political race for president.

00:03:21.920 Well, right now, as we enter the new year, we're gazed from the Iowa caucus, which is good,

00:03:27.560 because the polls have been good for President Trump, that he's been moving up all year,

00:03:32.240 where our last December national poll, we had Donald Trump leading Joe Biden 47-44. We had him

00:03:39.940 leading the primary field, but the highest ever that we've had all year. And one-on-one,

00:03:46.820 he was beating Nikki Haley 74-26, and he was beating Ron DeSantis, among Republican primary voters,

00:03:54.100 74-26 identical margins. But the key thing is, remember January last year, when we started the

00:04:02.240 campaign for the Republican primary, you had Trump was only nationally among Republicans, 42%,

00:04:10.640 and Ron DeSantis was at 31%. And in this latest national poll, Trump is at 62, with 11 for DeSantis and 10

00:04:19.180 for Haley. Now, there is no national primary. It's a sequential primary that we have to win Iowa,

00:04:26.200 we have to win New Hampshire, and the real clear politics average of reputable polls

00:04:30.220 has us with decisive leads in both those states. And then we got to win in South Carolina, where,

00:04:37.040 again, in the real clear politics average, Nikki's home state, but it'll be February 24th.

00:04:41.880 We have to win, and we're up two to one in the polls there, where the voters who know her best

00:04:47.540 are supporting Donald Trump. And so that's a good start for us to capture the nomination.

00:04:54.360 And at the same time, we're leading Joe Biden in the battleground states like we never did before.

00:05:00.300 We're leading Joe Biden in the national popular vote like we never did before. And Joe Biden is a

00:05:06.380 failed president who's got the country on the wrong track. And most voters are feeling the buyer's

00:05:12.380 remorse. In fact, there is a significant Biden 2020 voter who's now voting for Trump in 2024.

00:05:21.780 Younger voters, African Americans, Hispanics, who basically want to, you know, they want to see

00:05:29.320 inflation go down, food prices go down, mortgage rates come back down, they want to see their 401ks

00:05:36.240 go back up if they have savings. And Donald Trump, his economic growth plan is that strength for

00:05:44.080 them. Plus, they want the border security over the holidays. You saw such a surge coming into places

00:05:51.200 like Texas and Arizona, and they're spreading them throughout the country. And who knows if there's

00:05:56.660 Hamas terrorists or Iranians in there. But also, you know, people want to see the, I mean, it's terrible

00:06:04.480 when you think of the wars that happened this year, what's going on in Ukraine, what's going on in

00:06:09.860 the Middle East would have never happened if Donald Trump was president. So, so people, that's hope. 1.00

00:06:17.420 That's the bottom. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead, John.

00:06:20.180 Ten months from now, they're hoping Donald Trump beats Joe Biden.

00:06:23.740 Yeah, I certainly hope so. And I don't know anyone in their right mind who wouldn't want to have this,

00:06:31.240 this president out and President Trump in. There's almost a desperation when you talk to people.

00:06:39.680 They have had it with this guy and the press. The Marxist Dems keep ginning up the same

00:06:47.860 disinformation campaigns, the same nonsense, and they can't understand why the poll numbers are falling.

00:06:54.760 You mentioned the border. You mentioned the economy.

00:06:57.520 But the reality is that this is a man who is mismanaging, again, foreign policy,

00:07:02.940 actually having the temerity, the audacity to tell Netanyahu how to run a war in Israel.

00:07:10.680 I mean, the man looks like a complete idiot. And then he sends Lloyd Austin over,

00:07:16.060 who's never done anything right based on his military record except be promoted.

00:07:20.160 And he's trying to tell the IDF how to fight in urban warfare and in, of course, the Gaza. 0.76

00:07:30.260 Madness.

00:07:31.460 Right. Having polled for Prime Minister Netanyahu over the last two decades,

00:07:38.260 where I polled his recent campaign win in 22, and we haven't done a poll for him there since.

00:07:43.980 But I know him very well. And in fact, when we won in 2015, when we won his re-election then,

00:07:51.880 I got to go see those tunnels in southern Israel, down by Ashdod, Ashkelon, down across the border

00:07:59.060 from Gaza. And they go miles into Israel. And when you go down, and IDF general gave myself,

00:08:04.520 Steve Forbes, and another friend, a couple of friends, a tour. Just going into these tunnels,

00:08:10.520 you feel evil. They go miles into Israel. They have, you can put a railroad car down the middle 0.96

00:08:16.600 of them. They have internet, electricity, water, and they're 50 to 100 meters below the surface.

00:08:23.600 And they go for miles into Israel. And the reason that they were there was they were built with 1.00

00:08:28.580 American dollars that was supposed to go to schools and hospitals. And instead, it went to this

00:08:33.640 terrorism. And at the same time, in 2014, when they found these tunnels by accident,

00:08:41.220 and Bibi was going to get them, Barack Obama forced him into a ceasefire before they got all 0.98

00:08:46.960 the tunnels. So, you know, Hamas has been allowed to operate. And under Donald Trump,

00:08:53.760 they wouldn't have done it. But with Joe Biden allowing Iran to get, you know, tens of billions

00:08:59.660 of dollars in oil and them funding Hamas, it's the world is upside down. 0.61

00:09:05.560 It is. And you know something, you and I've never discussed this. But why is it that American Jews 1.00

00:09:13.140 vote for the left in this country, for the Democrat Party, the Marxist Dems, instead of Republicans?

00:09:20.640 This seems like the most absurd idea that they could possibly hang on to over all these decades.

00:09:29.660 Well, philosophically, historically, they're Democrats and liberals. But now they're coming

00:09:35.500 around. I mean, I've got polls where 40% of the Jewish voters are now voting for Trump, which is

00:09:40.140 double practically what we got the last couple of times around. And at the same time, you've got

00:09:46.620 Orthodox communities in the United States that will vote overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. And a big 0.90

00:09:52.720 difference is only among Jewish voters in the United States, only about half of them actually have

00:09:57.880 gone to Israel, only about half of them have friends and relatives in Israel. So that group is voting

00:10:03.380 overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. The others who are more traditional Democrats, you know, they're in

00:10:09.880 denial about Joe Biden, about his corruption. They're like so many other Democrats where they're

00:10:15.820 believing propaganda that comes from our enemies, and the liberal media, instead of looking at reality

00:10:22.580 and seeing what's going on. So, you know, the coalition in the poll that I'm seeing right now

00:10:28.400 is where we are winning a quarter of the African American vote, we're winning the Hispanic vote,

00:10:33.960 we're improving among young voters, and there's lots of media polls that say we're winning young

00:10:38.300 voters now. Donald Trump is broadening his coalition, while Joe Biden has basically blown apart the old

00:10:47.020 Obama coalition that allowed Obama and Joe Biden to win elections. So, you know, the future of America

00:10:54.680 is in this election, so much so that the Democrats are doubling down on throwing their leading political

00:11:03.000 opponent off the ballot. And my European clients who lived under communism, they said this is what the

00:11:09.840 communists did in 1947. They locked up the political opposition, they rigged elections,

00:11:17.400 and I'll tell you what, they say, their words to me is, because I work for Prime Minister Orban,

00:11:22.200 but people in Europe who saw the communists, what they did say, Biden cannot lecture us on democracy

00:11:29.180 anymore, because he's now, his people and Soros are funding the efforts to throw Donald Trump off the

00:11:36.260 ballot, because Trump's ahead in the polls. We're talking with John McLaughlin, and as we continue,

00:11:42.160 we're going to talk about the upcoming caucuses in Iowa, the New Hampshire primary, and get John

00:11:49.980 McLaughlin's view of what will happen in those first two contests. We'll be right back. Stay with us.

00:11:56.760 We're back with John McLaughlin, preeminent, prominent pollster for President Trump, Republican

00:12:09.220 strategist, I think we'd say Hall of Famer. How does that go, John?

00:12:14.620 I've got all the scars to feel old, so it's like...

00:12:18.500 It's great to have you with us. As we're looking ahead to this,

00:12:21.460 what do you see happening first in Iowa? Well, I think what's going on is a battle for

00:12:28.360 second place between Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley. Donald Trump has a decisive lead. He's secured

00:12:34.260 his base. He's done so many good things for Iowa, where, you know, the idea of what he's done with

00:12:39.940 the tariffs, with China, et cetera, bringing dollars to farmers, protecting the corn growers with their

00:12:45.540 ethanol industry, et cetera. So he has done great things for Iowa. Plus, what's more important is

00:12:52.100 Iowa voters, anybody who goes out to a caucus on a cold night on January 13th to hang around for a

00:12:59.580 little bit and then finally get to vote, those are real patriotic people. And they are... The Trump

00:13:06.220 campaign has a great organization. It's driven... Their captains are driving out 10 for Trump.

00:13:11.640 They're bringing new people into the caucuses. So while Nikki Haley and DeSantis, you know, battle 0.77

00:13:19.740 for second, as DeSantis collapses, we're picking up votes from DeSantis. And Nikki Haley's, you know,

00:13:26.920 she's pouring in tens of millions of dollars from these American oligarchs that support amnesty, 1.00

00:13:34.820 free trade with China to send their jobs over there, and basically oppose putting up the wall

00:13:41.180 and securing the border. You know, those are her friends. And so Iowa voters are not going to be

00:13:49.020 fooled. Donald Trump's going to win in Iowa. And, you know, there's a battle for New Hampshire where,

00:13:57.440 you know, Ron DeSantis has collapsed there. And again, Nikki Haley is getting lots of support from

00:14:03.240 these billionaire Trumpers to try to basically take away control of the Republican Party

00:14:10.200 from Donald Trump and give it back to the rhino establishment, which is scary. And, you know, I mean,

00:14:18.340 the New Hampshire voters are realizing they now have a border with Canada where they're getting illegal

00:14:24.040 immigration from the north.

00:14:25.340 And they've got a governor out, you know, just doing everything he can for the establishment candidate,

00:14:32.220 Nikki Haley, who's never obviously seen a wall she wants built on the southern border. She wants more of those

00:14:39.180 illegal immigrants as long as the oligarchs are calling for them. And, oh, yeah, why don't we do something 0.98

00:14:44.220 for the military industrial complex? Let's just bomb the hell out of something, whether it's in Europe or whether it is

00:14:50.340 in, you know, somewhere in the Middle East. I mean, she's all in with the oligarchs and she's expecting

00:14:56.760 to be considered for a high office. This is scary stuff.

00:15:01.880 Yeah, no, I agree with you. And when you and when you think about it, you know, New Hampshire's what's

00:15:06.840 great is to live free or die state. It's 250 years ago since the Boston Tea Party and they're close by,

00:15:13.260 et cetera. And when you think about it, Nikki Haley, you know, I know that, you know,

00:15:18.640 they've gone after on raising gas taxes, too, but she was in favor of the fair tax and fair tax in 0.61

00:15:25.420 theory might work. But in reality, a 23 percent national sales tax on food, cars, homes, really

00:15:34.540 bad idea. But to a lot of these oligarchs, it makes sense because that way you can punish the working

00:15:39.920 middle class of America and you'll get a lot of money with like a national bat and they won't, 0.57

00:15:46.380 you know, they won't cut the income tax to get rid of it. So it's like, again, this is her candidacy

00:15:52.300 represents these oligarchs controlling the exploited working men and women of America.

00:15:58.880 And that's what Donald Trump stands for. And they are going all out to stop us in New Hampshire and

00:16:04.180 we are going to beat them.

00:16:05.160 Donald Trump, I think he has absolutely the best political messaging in American history.

00:16:14.080 He's America first. And if you as a voter won't put America first, just exactly who would do and

00:16:19.480 what would you put first? And he's a populist. So he's for the people. So everybody else has to

00:16:25.360 explain who they're for, if not the people. And that's a very powerful message. And he put it to

00:16:31.380 work for four years and it worked beautifully for the nation and for small business, working men and

00:16:38.000 women, their families and our traditions, which are under assault. I want to, without any question

00:16:45.480 by this administration, apparently Joe Biden is a little upset about his falling poll numbers.

00:16:52.260 Now, this is coming from his aides. I personally don't believe he even could recognize what a poll

00:16:57.620 is or the number. But his aides are saying that's what he's doing. Your reaction to his poll numbers

00:17:04.980 and how could they be otherwise? They're accurate. They're finally caught up with our polls. But in

00:17:11.040 the meantime, I think you underestimate Biden. Now, he is showing his age a lot more than Trump. But

00:17:19.140 I'll tell you, it's not age, the corruption from Biden. He's really worried that if he loses the White

00:17:25.260 House, you know, right now they can stop, they can stop an impeachment hearing because of the

00:17:30.860 briberies and the corruption and scandal. But they won't be able to stop a real investigation that

00:17:37.840 would go into his family where they've taken these tens of millions of dollars of bribes

00:17:42.560 if Donald Trump is president. And on the other hand, what's more important is the American people

00:17:47.480 see through this. In that poll that we just did right before Christmas across the country,

00:17:53.720 67% of all voters say that the indictments of Donald Trump was just politics. Another 58%

00:18:02.700 say that Joe Biden played a role in this. So the majority of Americans think that Joe Biden,

00:18:09.440 and they're accurate, they're right from all the evidence, appointed Jack Smith, basically got Fannie

00:18:14.540 Willis, got Alvin Bragg, got Letitia James, all to go after his opponent, Donald Trump. And they think

00:18:22.120 this is about stopping Trump from running for president 49 to 38. They think there's a double

00:18:27.280 standard of justice among all voters. They say 56% to 34. And they also say, let the voters decide who

00:18:35.660 the president's going to be, not the courts, 56 to 36. So the voters want to decide. So that's, by the way,

00:18:44.260 my poll has Trump at 47%. But 56% of the voters say, let this decide. There's voters out there that are

00:18:51.100 undecided that are thinking of voting for Donald Trump. But if you throw him off the ballot,

00:18:56.580 that decision's taken away. And it's, you know, I'm sure you have feelings about it like most

00:19:04.380 Americans, but Donald Trump has never been charged with insurrection, never been convicted of

00:19:11.000 insurrection. But Joe Biden thinks, and he said it publicly. He said that he firmly believes Donald

00:19:19.260 Trump has violated the 14th Amendment somehow.

00:19:23.740 Thanks, John McLaughlin. We'll talk with you soon. And coming up next on The Great America Show,

00:19:28.580 attorney Mike Davis. We'll talk with Mike about the Marxist Dems' latest efforts to destroy the

00:19:34.100 republic, the Democrat Party is an enemy of the state, and not just simply a rival party. Mike Davis and I

00:19:42.060 will take up what we can do to save the republic from the Marxist Dems. Stay with us. We're coming right

00:19:46.680 back. Thanks for staying with us. Joining us now, the founder of the Article 3 project and attorney,

00:19:58.320 Mike Davis. And I should say, I suppose, Mike, Mike Davis is presumptive attorney general should

00:20:04.200 President Trump win the White House. Mike, great to have you with us. And thanks for joining us.

00:20:09.000 Thank you, Lou. There's that pesky thing called Senate confirmation. And I would get

00:20:13.260 one charity vote from Chuck Grassley, my former boss, and it would end his 16-year political career.

00:20:19.400 So I don't think being the attorney general is in the cards, unfortunately.

00:20:23.900 Well, think about how many people you've helped win Senate confirmation. I have faith that you would,

00:20:30.640 I think you would prevail. That's my projection. And it's great to have you with us. And by the way,

00:20:37.640 I want everybody to know, I'm one of those people who would support Mike Davis as attorney general.

00:20:42.920 Let's go to someone I wouldn't support ever for almost anything. And that's special counsel,

00:20:49.200 Jack Smith, who's now urging an appellate court to reject President Trump's efforts to dismiss the

00:20:57.100 Jack Smith's political interference and dismiss President Trump's claims of immunity. Your thoughts?

00:21:09.240 Well, I mean, let's look at what happened on January 6th. January 6th was a lawful protest

00:21:15.660 permitted by the National Park Service that devolved into a riot. How many insurrectionists

00:21:22.380 go unarmed into a nation's capital, walk through velvet ropes, follow police direction,

00:21:29.300 take selfies, and don't burn down the damn place? And what President Trump filed with his motion

00:21:35.340 to dismiss is this. Either he was acting within his official capacity as the President of the United

00:21:43.720 States when he was trying to make sure that the election was certified properly, and so that's

00:21:49.180 covered under presidential immunity or under his presidential powers or the outer perimeter of

00:21:55.360 his presidential powers under Supreme Court case law. So he's entitled to presidential immunity. If

00:22:01.260 it's not presidential immunity, if he's acting within his official capacity, it's protected by the First

00:22:07.640 Amendment because what President Trump did on January 6th was perfectly legal. He did not do anything

00:22:12.680 illegal on January 6th. It's not illegal to object to presidential elections. That's allowed. Democrats

00:22:20.680 did it in 1968, 2000, 2004, and 2016. It's not illegal to twist arms politically. That's allowed by the First

00:22:29.860 Amendment. If that were illegal, Democrats would be in prison. You'd have Hillary Clinton. You'd have Al Gore. 0.98

00:22:36.100 You'd have John Kerry in prison for objecting to presidential elections. If it were illegal to twist arms

00:22:41.480 politically, every politician in the world would be in prison. So that's the issue. The only way you can

00:22:47.900 charge President Trump for a crime on January 6th is if he incited the riots, and there's zero evidence

00:22:56.440 that he incited the riot. There's actually evidence to the contrary. He told his supporters to go

00:23:01.800 peacefully to the Capitol.

00:23:03.220 And as we examine it, as you've laid it out there, we realize, I think all of us now, how clearly

00:23:12.940 powerful the corporatist legacy globalist media is because they have driven that narrative that it's

00:23:22.020 an insurrection almost from the very beginning of the issue. And it's disinformation. It's misinformation.

00:23:31.640 And we were bombarded with it, not only from the Washington Post, the New York Times, all of left-wing

00:23:41.300 media, but by the ginning up of the January 6th Committee and Nancy Pelosi regaling us with all of

00:23:49.380 this nonsense with almost no Republican voice as a countervailing force. I think that if anybody wants

00:23:59.340 to see how important it is for our national media to be brought to heel, this is a prime, if not the

00:24:08.240 prime, example.

00:24:09.000 Yeah, I mean, you have to break apart what happened on January 6th. There were people who were there

00:24:15.920 peacefully to protest. And whether you think they're right or wrong, crazy or insane, they have

00:24:21.720 an absolute First Amendment right to show up and protest the government. There are a separate group

00:24:27.980 of people. There's a separate group of people who trespassed into the Capitol, and those people should be

00:24:33.440 charged with trespass if there's not evidence that the police let them in. And then there's a third group of

00:24:38.360 people. And that third group of people are the people who were violent. And those are the people

00:24:42.400 who are violent should be treated more harshly. But for the Democrats and the Trump-deranged rhinos

00:24:47.640 and the corporate media to lump together every one of those people on January 6th and they just

00:24:52.860 labeled them insurrectionists and then say that they should be basically thrown in jail and canceled

00:25:00.080 from society, that's un-American. Those are the people who are undemocratic. We have a First Amendment 0.98

00:25:05.180 right to protest our government. And all these people who are complaining about violence on January

00:25:11.060 6th, and the violence was bad. But where the hell were they when BLM and Antifa caused a hell of a lot

00:25:17.340 more violence, billions of dollars in damage, many more deaths, a lot more destruction. They attacked

00:25:23.060 the Portland Federal Courthouse on a nightly basis for more than six months. The abortion industry

00:25:30.460 activist organized obstruction of justice campaigns, intimidation campaigns outside of Supreme Court

00:25:37.000 justices' homes before the Dobbs decision. Chuck Schumer went to the steps of the Supreme Court and

00:25:44.800 threatened essentially violence against the Supreme Court justices if they didn't rule the right way.

00:25:51.340 And then, you know, Schumer's Democrat support. Yeah, to reap the world. And those Democrat supporters,

00:25:56.720 you know, one of them tried to kill Justice Kavanaugh and his wife Ashley and their two teenage

00:26:01.940 daughters at 1 a.m. in their home. Yeah. And to the issue right now before us, and everything you say,

00:26:10.560 I agree with. The issue right now is Jack Smith is in his absurd statement that the president doesn't have

00:26:19.160 an immunity defense. Jack Smith and others have already stripped this president of executive

00:26:25.600 privilege, the privilege between attorney and client. He has been stripped of just about every

00:26:33.860 immunity that most Americans took for granted by this left-wing authoritarian—you know, this is a

00:26:42.560 totalitarian regime right now that we call the Biden administration.

00:26:49.160 Yeah, well, obviously, Lou, there's a Trump derangement syndrome exception to the Constitution,

00:26:54.260 to executive privilege, to attorney-client privilege, to presidential immunity. It's amazing

00:26:59.320 that these Democrats who pretend like they're saving democracy are destroying democracy, right? They want

00:27:05.420 to—they've impeached Trump twice for nonsense. They've indicted him four times for non-crimes.

00:27:11.760 They've illegally gagged him twice. They're trying to bankrupt his business for non-fraud.

00:27:17.440 And now they're just trying to kick him off the ballot, like in California and Maine. It is insane

00:27:22.880 what they're doing. And let's go back to this presidential immunity point. Remember this.

00:27:26.160 Can we do this? We're going to take a quick break, Mike. And we will be back with Mike Davis right after

00:27:32.580 these quick words. And we are going to get to the issue next. What does Mike Davis think about the

00:27:39.760 prospects for this president before the Supreme Court on the issue of presidential immunity?

00:27:45.280 And will the court at the same time be invited to take up the criminal political persecution by one

00:27:54.640 party of President Trump over a course of eight years? We'll be right back with Mike Davis.

00:28:00.320 We're back with Mike Davis and the issue before the Supreme Court and now us. We're going to ask Mike

00:28:12.080 Davis, attorney, the founder of the Article III project, to answer the question for the court.

00:28:21.040 Does the president have this immunity that he claims or does he not?

00:28:25.600 Presidents absolutely have absolute immunity for their official actions and the outer perimeter of

00:28:32.960 their official actions. And this has been decided in several contexts. Judges have judicial immunity,

00:28:40.880 both civil and criminal, for their official actions. Congress has congressional immunity,

00:28:47.040 speech or debate clause, criminal and civil, for their official actions. The Supreme Court has already

00:28:53.840 decided that presidents have civil immunity for their official actions. This is the first time ever

00:29:00.160 that a former president of the United States has faced an indictment in our history by Joe Biden going

00:29:08.000 after, weaponizing his Justice Department to go after his political rival, Donald Trump. And so now

00:29:13.920 the Supreme Court will have to decide whether the president has immunity from criminal

00:29:18.560 prosecution, prosecution, there's no doubt that he does. If you, if judges have immunity and members

00:29:24.480 of Congress have immunity from criminal prosecution for their official actions, why wouldn't the president

00:29:30.000 of the United States? And I would just warn people that this is so much bigger than Donald Trump, because

00:29:35.760 think about this scenario. If presidents do not have immunity from criminal prosecution for their official

00:29:42.480 actions or the outer perimeter of their official actions under Supreme Court precedents, then can the

00:29:48.160 Trump 47 Justice Department prosecute President Obama for ordering a drone strike on two American citizens,

00:29:56.720 a father at a wedding and a 16-year-old American son? That extrajudicial killing, if President Obama does not

00:30:04.560 have presidential immunity for that, does that mean that the Trump 47 Justice Department can prosecute

00:30:10.400 President Obama for murdering two American citizens? And of course, on a partisan basis,

00:30:15.680 there would be a lot of people who would say, oh, absolutely. But the partisan issue is at the

00:30:21.280 foundation of this. If the if the court decides the president doesn't have that immunity, presidential

00:30:27.520 immunity, complete, whole and absolute, you could create all sorts of interferences with every presidency,

00:30:34.880 just simply by being in the right jurisdiction with the right partisan bent. And

00:30:40.320 descend upon the White House with your subpoenas and compel a president to to fall into

00:30:47.760 whatever who scow was nearest the you know, the the charging jurisdiction. I just don't understand

00:30:56.960 right now why there isn't a counterclaim here on the part of the president while this is before the court

00:31:01.440 that of political criminal political persecution by the very same people who are looking to the

00:31:11.600 Supreme Court right now. That is the special counsel, Jack Smith, the Department of Justice

00:31:16.480 that carried out a raid on his home seeking the papers that were his, as you have documented throughout,

00:31:22.720 no pun intended. And it is just disgusting that he has to be in a defensive mode when we know that

00:31:30.880 Merrick Garland and Jack Smith and his ilk are the ones who should be prosecuted right now for abuse of power.

00:31:38.720 I mean, there's no question that this is a criminal conspiracy by President Biden and his Justice

00:31:46.800 Department, including Garland and Jack Smith, to weaponize the Justice Department to go after

00:31:54.400 his political enemy, Donald Trump. And this is obvious election interference. Remember,

00:31:59.280 it was deputy White House counsel, Jonathan Hsu, who relayed to the National Archives that President

00:32:06.800 Biden waived President Trump's claim of executive privilege, which led to the unnecessary,

00:32:13.920 unprecedented, unprecedented and unlawful home raid on former President Trump for presidential records

00:32:20.240 he's allowed to have in the office of former president under the Presidential Records Act. Those

00:32:25.040 documents did not leak until Joe Biden's Justice Department got their hands on them. And then they

00:32:31.440 started to leak. And remember, it was it was Matthew Colangelo, a senior Biden Justice Department

00:32:38.880 official who went to Alvin Bragg's office, the Manhattan DA's office to resurrect this zombie case

00:32:46.400 against President Trump, the first indictment ever against a former president.

00:32:51.280 Would you refer to that? Would you refer to Suze going to the to the Manhattan prosecutor's office

00:33:00.080 is going to or transferring to from the Justice Department?

00:33:04.160 Well, I think he was being sent to redeploy to. And it was it was

00:33:08.560 Matthew Colangelo, who got redeployed from the number three office in the Biden Justice Department

00:33:14.800 to Alvin Bragg's office to resurrect that zombie case against Trump, the first indictment ever.

00:33:20.000 Remember, this was the case that the prior Manhattan DA passed on, the Federal Election Commission passed

00:33:28.960 on, the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's Office passed on, and Alvin Bragg himself passed on until

00:33:35.440 Matthew Colangelo got deployed, redeployed from the Biden Justice Department to Alvin Bragg's office.

00:33:42.000 And voila, this first indictment against a former president in American history appears.

00:33:48.720 You're bringing up great points and a great survey of the history. What frustrates me, and I'm sure lots of

00:33:58.000 of other people, is that there is no official aggregation of all of the material, the evidence,

00:34:06.000 the activities, the conduct, the conspiracy by the Marxist Dems against the president of the United

00:34:12.240 States, Donald Trump. And there are record after record after record in existence. No one is subpoenaing

00:34:20.720 them. No one has the power at this point to do so, it seems.

00:34:24.480 How in the world can we put the facts before the American people, besides those of us in the media,

00:34:31.040 doing so, but without, obviously, subpoena authority or color of law or government power

00:34:39.680 to actually intervene and say, this has to stop? Why is there not a legal remedy to that right now?

00:34:47.760 Yeah, well, there is. And the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan can issue subpoenas

00:34:55.040 to Alvin Bragg and to Matthew Colangelo and to Jack Smith's office on these various bogus

00:35:02.960 investigations, these bogus indictments. Fannie Willis down in Georgia, Alvin Bragg in New York,

00:35:10.000 Jack Smith in D.C. and Florida. So, and he has, Jim Jordan has sent letters, but I'll tell you what needs to

00:35:17.280 happen, Lou. We've been talking about this for a while. The Article III project came up with two

00:35:21.920 appropriations writers that House Republicans can force right now. Number one, no federal funds

00:35:29.440 can go to the federal prosecution of any major presidential candidate on or before November 5th,

00:35:36.240 2024. And number two, any state or local jurisdiction that prosecutes any major presidential candidates on

00:35:43.760 or before November 5th, 2024, loses all federal funding. Cut off all federal funding to these

00:35:50.160 investigations at the federal level. Cut off all funding to the state and local governments

00:35:54.400 if they pursue these. That's how you end the weaponization and the election interference. If

00:35:59.040 they want to go after Trump, they waited 30 months to bring these bogus political indictments,

00:36:05.040 four political indictments timed to go to trial, back to back to back to obviously interfere in the

00:36:10.880 election, right? You have trials, four different trials that are set to go this year before the

00:36:16.480 presidential election. And if they want to do this, if they want to go after President Trump,

00:36:21.280 wait till after the presidential election. There's no reason they can't do it. They don't

00:36:24.960 even have all the evidence produced to Trump in all these cases. These cases are not ready to go to trial.

00:36:31.280 And so the Congress needs to step in and say, guess what? We're, we are going to let the American

00:36:36.080 people, not these Democrat prosecutors and these Democrat judges and these Democrat juries and

00:36:43.200 these Democrat hellholes like New York, D.C. and Atlanta pick our next president. Thanks everybody for

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