The Great America Show - The Great America Sunday Show： April 20, 2025

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:05.100 It's great to have you with us tonight.

00:00:06.720 In just a few moments, we're going to be joined by our good friend, the great Roger Stone.

00:00:12.620 Just hours ago, I sat down with Roger and we took up everything you could possibly think

00:00:17.760 of under the political spectrum.

00:00:20.160 Roger's been working on a very big story that's breaking over the last 24 hours.

00:00:26.440 Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York, it turns out,

00:00:30.000 the motto of today's show is, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

00:00:36.000 Tish James is under investigation, has been referred to the Department of Justice for mortgage fraud.

00:00:42.400 For months, the great Roger Stone has been looking into Letitia James, her mortgages, and where she really lives.

00:00:49.780 It turns out, for the past few months, Letitia James has been telling at least the government

00:00:55.620 that she lives full-time in Norfolk, Virginia.

00:00:58.220 At least that's what the documents say on her mortgage deed and her housing deed.

00:01:02.940 So, she seems to be in a little bit of trouble.

00:01:05.960 We're going to take that up with Roger in just a few moments.

00:01:08.140 Now, you may remember Letitia James went after President Trump.

00:01:13.880 She says he overvalued his properties.

00:01:15.860 Well, she may have done exactly the same thing, which is why I say, don't throw stones when you live in glass houses. 0.99

00:01:22.460 Now, if she didn't learn her lesson and tried to do her projection when she's really the one committing the crimes,

00:01:30.780 Gavin Newsom, deciding he's going to file a lawsuit against the Trump administration today,

00:01:36.000 arguing that President Trump's use of the International Emergency Economics Power Act

00:01:40.280 to impose tariffs of Canada, Mexico, and China, 10% on all imports, violates the Constitution.

00:01:47.280 I'm not really sure what Gavin Newsom knows about the Constitution, yet alone the law.

00:01:52.860 Well, we all remember what Gavin Newsom did during COVID, and his dinner is out.

00:01:58.080 Another man who's throwing stones when he lives in a glass house.

00:02:02.700 Let's take you now to that interview with the great Roger Stone.

00:02:05.360 I hope you enjoy it as much as I did sitting down with Roger.

00:02:09.040 It was great to see Roger, and great to catch up with him once again.

00:02:12.700 Roger, I appreciate you coming in.

00:02:14.500 I know you told me I'm the only man that you'd come in and do this,

00:02:16.560 but I was on my deathbed this morning, and I got an IV because I had food poisoning, and now I'm here.

00:02:21.200 I want to start with Big Tish James.

00:02:23.440 Yes.

00:02:23.800 You've been breaking a story for the last month or so about Tish James living in Norfolk, Virginia.

00:02:29.500 Now, there's a problem with that.

00:02:30.980 She's the attorney general for the great state of New York.

00:02:33.860 How was her main residence in Norfolk, Virginia, when she's the attorney general of New York City? 0.94

00:02:40.660 Yeah, I mean, John, this is only the latest in a long series, like a daisy chain of mortgage fraud by Big Tish.

00:02:48.600 So just weeks before Donald Trump's so-called evaluation trial, she filed a power of attorney with a mortgage company

00:03:01.780 in which she said that within 60 days of closing on this property, she would become a legal resident of the Commonwealth of Virginia.

00:03:09.960 The problem with that, of course, is that that would make her constitutionally ineligible to be the attorney general of New York.

00:03:16.200 And actually, I checked New York state law.

00:03:18.300 The way it works is if you move out of state, the office is automatically vacated.

00:03:23.180 There isn't even a hearing.

00:03:24.620 So only one of two things can be true.

00:03:26.820 Either she moved, in which case she's not eligible to be AG, or she didn't move, in which case she is guilty of mortgage fraud.

00:03:36.400 So that would be interesting if that was just the first case.

00:03:39.720 But you go all the way back to her first mortgage, one that she got when she was 24 years old, fresh out of Howard University.

00:03:47.000 She claimed that her father was her husband in order to use his balance sheet and his finances to qualify for the mortgage.

00:03:57.140 And the mortgage was granted.

00:03:58.280 If you look on the mortgage, it lists Tish James and her father, Robert James, as man and wife.

00:04:04.880 But if you look at the title on the property, it correctly lists them as father and daughter.

00:04:10.600 It's mortgage fraud.

00:04:12.560 Then there's another instance in which she got a property in Virginia under a HAMP loan, a federal loan,

00:04:20.560 that was specifically for investment properties of less than four units.

00:04:24.640 So she qualified for and got this loan, but I had somebody go look at the property.

00:04:30.680 It has five units, not eligible.

00:04:34.020 So I guess the bottom line of this is pretty clear, at least as far as mortgages are concerned.

00:04:39.620 Tish LeJames, Letitia James says that no person is above the law except for evidently for her. 0.95

00:04:45.680 Now, this doesn't even go into the serial cover-up of sexual assault by her chief of staff,

00:04:52.680 who happens to be Muslim, in which she clearly moved to cover that up. 0.88

00:04:58.380 This lawsuit by at least one of these three women was filed in 2022. 0.95

00:05:03.900 Only weeks ago, the appeals court in New York, dominated by Democrats, dismissed not the suit, but the suit against her.

00:05:13.220 So she's not being held responsible.

00:05:15.020 And then you have the other really troubling question of how she financed her campaign for attorney general.

00:05:22.000 Most of that money came through the Democrat payment processing company, ActBlue.

00:05:28.300 What they do, John, is they turn off the credit card verification where you have to match the address of the cardholder,

00:05:35.040 and they basically funneled millions of dollars into her campaign from donors who either don't really exist,

00:05:43.940 or when you contact them, when you go to their doorstep and you show them the 27 contributions they gave to Letitia James,

00:05:51.220 they say to you, who?

00:05:52.280 What?

00:05:52.580 What are you talking about? 0.94

00:05:53.440 So she's a fraud, and the irony of this is that she tried to hold Donald Trump to a false standard.

00:06:00.940 She used a law which has never been used, claiming that he inflated the value of his assets in order to make commercial real estate loans,

00:06:09.840 all of which got paid back on time, and the people who loaned Trump the money made $40 million profit,

00:06:17.620 and they would do the loan again tomorrow.

00:06:19.280 So I think she's in big trouble.

00:06:23.440 She has now filed a bunch of lawsuits, and she's trying to distract attention from this, but it won't work.

00:06:30.700 Late today there was a story that the Federal Home Loan Finance Administration has reviewed all of her mortgage documents,

00:06:40.400 and they made a referral to the U.S. Justice Department.

00:06:43.200 So we shall see.

00:06:44.140 Beautiful.

00:06:44.940 So you've been in politics your entire adult life.

00:06:48.500 You're probably one of the longest-serving political strategists in this country, okay?

00:06:52.880 As a political strategist, not as Roger Stone, 1.00

00:06:55.900 why is this idiot throwing stones when she's living in a very thin-glassed house? 1.00

00:07:01.720 I mean, she's went after Donald Trump. 1.00

00:07:03.500 Anybody in the banking world will tell you what you had said, 0.97

00:07:05.620 that it was the dumbest case that they've never seen brought before. 0.76

00:07:08.840 She's now going after the Trump administration because she says they were insider trading. 1.00

00:07:12.780 First of all, I don't think Donald Trump even owns any stock,

00:07:15.360 so I'm not sure what the insider trading she's talking about is.

00:07:17.620 He's a crypto guy.

00:07:19.920 But she's doing all these things to put the pressure on herself when she's got far more problems.

00:07:25.080 As you say, why put the pressure on yourself when you know that you've got skeletons in the closet?

00:07:29.660 I think it's diversion, John.

00:07:30.860 She's trying to divert us to looking at this, looking at that.

00:07:33.640 I mean, if we're going to investigate somebody for insider trading,

00:07:36.760 let's start with Nancy Pelosi. 0.91

00:07:38.020 Let's start with all these members of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, sadly,

00:07:43.620 who have made millions on insider trading.

00:07:46.120 This is a shot in the dark.

00:07:47.480 I don't think she has any evidence of insider trading by Trump insiders.

00:07:50.520 If you did go make a trade based on Trump's public comments, that's not insider trading.

00:07:56.380 No, of course.

00:07:57.160 So when Trump participates in a tariff war because he's going to bludgeon our trade partners

00:08:03.240 into giving us a fair deal after ripping us off for decades,

00:08:07.320 you'd have to be a genius to know what the situation is.

00:08:10.820 Look, I'm not a sophisticated Wall Street investor.

00:08:13.440 Sure, I own no stocks, no bonds.

00:08:15.540 I don't own much other than the suit.

00:08:17.700 I don't know much.

00:08:18.980 But I do know you're not going to find anybody in Trump's circle doing insider trading.

00:08:24.380 It's all diversion, John, diversion for her own crimes.

00:08:27.800 I think all of these things come to fruition.

00:08:31.520 It's not just the mortgage fraud.

00:08:33.420 It's the cover-up of sexual assault.

00:08:35.640 It's the illicit and illegal financing of our campaigns.

00:08:38.860 No, I think it's a new day in which we have one system of justice

00:08:42.160 in which we recalibrate the justice system so everybody's treated equally.

00:08:46.940 It's not the way it's been, very sadly.

00:08:49.080 So now looking at it from the standpoint of the Trump administration,

00:08:51.860 everything she's done to this man,

00:08:53.760 why does he not have the Southern District of New York on top of this woman right away? 0.90

00:08:58.600 And it seems, Roger, I'm a little bit disappointed,

00:09:01.800 and I want to get your take on this,

00:09:03.500 about how slow the administration is moving on certain things.

00:09:06.100 The JFK documents, the RFK documents, the MLK documents,

00:09:10.340 the Epstein documents, they're moving, dragging their feet on numerous things.

00:09:14.880 This is one of them.

00:09:15.780 I mean, something as simple as this referred to the Southern District of New York.

00:09:19.760 Very simple.

00:09:20.540 Well, in all honesty, I think that of all of the federal prosecutorial districts,

00:09:25.720 SDNY is still completely out of control.

00:09:28.420 Just this last week, in a very high-profile crypto case,

00:09:32.800 the judge read a memo from the Justice Department

00:09:37.380 and said to the federal prosecutor from SDNY,

00:09:40.100 your views here today expressed seem to completely contradict this memo

00:09:44.180 that I just got from DOJ.

00:09:45.780 What's the story?

00:09:46.720 And they said, we're not bound by that.

00:09:48.580 We don't work for them.

00:09:49.480 No, the president fired Damian Williams,

00:09:54.360 the corrupt prosecutor who did the Epstein death cover-up,

00:09:57.680 who prosecuted Ghislaine Maxwell for conspiracy,

00:10:01.400 but didn't name any other conspirators other than her,

00:10:04.120 who prosecuted P. Diddy for conspiracy.

00:10:06.680 We're the other conspirators in that case.

00:10:08.720 But he didn't go deep enough.

00:10:10.840 And the three prosecutors under Damian,

00:10:13.540 they all resigned to protest the Eric Adams decision not to prosecute. 0.73

00:10:18.520 But the people who are still in place are leftist criminals who hate Donald Trump.

00:10:23.900 What he needs to do, in my opinion, 0.97

00:10:25.400 is fire every single person in the office and start open again.

00:10:29.800 And leave it empty if you have to for the time being.

00:10:31.960 And it's not just the SDNY.

00:10:33.900 You look at the Department of State under Pete Hegseth,

00:10:37.620 Laura Loomer's out there finding,

00:10:39.240 I mean, citizen journalists have to go into this

00:10:42.440 and tell the president and his administration,

00:10:45.420 this guy was there.

00:10:46.340 I mean, it's so simple.

00:10:47.560 I was talking with Tony Schaefer about this.

00:10:49.460 There's maybe, maybe a thousand people in the Pentagon

00:10:51.740 who are top brass in the sense where their role actually means something.

00:10:55.800 Everyone else is just a paper pusher, essentially, is what he explained to me.

00:10:59.040 If you put 10 people in charge of weeding through this thing,

00:11:02.440 you can get through it in a week.

00:11:03.620 Why are these deep staters still infiltrated inside the government? 1.00

00:11:07.340 We knew for months, we knew since November 5th,

00:11:09.720 we knew since January 20th that this was going to happen.

00:11:12.240 How is it that we're now months into this administration 0.99

00:11:14.900 and it's the same shit as it was in 2016? 0.99

00:11:17.900 Well, as one of my friends said to me the other day, 1.00

00:11:20.500 you know, even when we win, we lose.

00:11:22.100 Yeah.

00:11:22.320 I'm hoping that that's wrong.

00:11:23.820 Look, I'm prepared still to give Kash Patel and Pam Bondi

00:11:27.400 the benefit of the doubt for a bit longer.

00:11:29.540 I know them both.

00:11:30.420 I like both of them.

00:11:31.220 I had great confidence in both of them.

00:11:32.780 But you do have to wonder.

00:11:34.460 Some of these things are simple.

00:11:35.600 So when the inspector general of the Justice Department under Joe Biden

00:11:40.720 finds that Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell illegally leaked classified documents,

00:11:47.340 it should take you half an hour to get them federally indicted.

00:11:50.680 It could be, and this would not be a legitimate,

00:11:53.780 a recognition that any Democrat charged with a crime in D.C.,

00:11:59.060 no matter how overwhelming the evidence,

00:12:01.740 no matter how outrageous their transgression may be,

00:12:04.800 they will immediately be acquitted.

00:12:07.480 We saw that.

00:12:08.940 For some weird reason, John Durham,

00:12:12.460 instead of indicting Hillary Clinton and John Podesta and James Comey

00:12:16.500 and the Islamic convert John Brennan,

00:12:20.320 instead of indicting them, 0.98

00:12:21.780 he indicts this poor schmuck Sussman at the very bottom of the totem pole, 0.99

00:12:26.920 was, John, this is like in a bank robbery, 0.98

00:12:30.540 charging the guy who drove the getaway car with double parking

00:12:34.460 while you let the bank robbers get away,

00:12:36.740 and even that guy got acquitted.

00:12:39.400 And then when a guy does get convicted, 0.82

00:12:41.120 like this schmuck Clinesmith, 0.99

00:12:44.060 he gets a slap on the wrist, 0.99

00:12:45.520 he gets disbarred,

00:12:46.300 then he gets put back on the bar and he pays no price.

00:12:48.920 No, we still have a double standard in America.

00:12:51.100 We've been looking for this new president,

00:12:52.680 this new administration to fix it.

00:12:54.660 It has not yet been fixed.

00:12:56.000 Dan Bongino, we were talking about this before,

00:12:58.020 put out a very odd statement,

00:13:00.140 and I want to pull it up and read it for the audience

00:13:02.220 to get their reaction and get your reaction to it,

00:13:04.560 because to me, I mean, it's very, very odd for this administration.

00:13:09.040 Now, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino were two of the biggest mudslingers,

00:13:12.520 saying they were getting rid of the FBI building,

00:13:14.400 they were getting rid of this,

00:13:15.080 they were getting rid of that,

00:13:16.260 this, this, and that.

00:13:17.760 Dan Bongino comes out yesterday and says,

00:13:20.920 quote,

00:13:21.220 actions that aren't immediately visible do not equate to inaction.

00:13:24.540 What the hell does that mean? 0.99

00:13:26.000 To me, that's just some bullshit excuse for you not doing your job after sitting here, 1.00

00:13:30.080 going on your show every single day. 0.99

00:13:32.540 Cash Patel came on, and I love both of them.

00:13:35.060 More Cash than Dan, but going on your show every day,

00:13:39.080 the building's going to be turned into a museum.

00:13:40.940 Well, obviously, we know that was hyperbole,

00:13:42.580 but still, they've done absolutely nothing.

00:13:45.500 There's no excuses in my opinion, Roger.

00:13:48.260 Well, I do think they are probably dealing with the difficulty of the D.C. circuit.

00:13:52.540 That's the problem, is that most of these crimes have to be charged there.

00:13:56.280 There's not an honest judge on the circuit.

00:13:58.420 We're talking about Amy Berman Jackson.

00:14:00.360 Well, I'm just saying from the employee aspect,

00:14:03.000 not even charging anybody or bringing referrals.

00:14:05.680 I'm saying the employees that he has working right now in the FBI

00:14:09.200 are some of the worst people, Roger, the people who went after you.

00:14:14.340 I mean, is that not a slap in the face to someone like you,

00:14:16.920 who was put through hell, bankrupted, and they're still working there?

00:14:22.840 In all honesty, I'm going to remain agnostic for the time being,

00:14:26.680 because I have the highest possible regard for Cash Patel

00:14:30.920 as a person of integrity and honesty,

00:14:32.980 who knows the full picture, because I've read his book.

00:14:35.760 Dan Bongino, I like Dan.

00:14:37.840 I'm not sure why he gave up a $100 million radio career

00:14:40.680 to become a federal bureaucrat.

00:14:42.440 Makes you wonder.

00:14:43.180 It does make me wonder, and maybe he's just doing it temporarily,

00:14:46.300 but I do think he's a patriot.

00:14:48.000 So I'm going to wait a little longer, but so far I'm not impressed.

00:14:52.160 Yeah, to me, it's reprehensible.

00:14:55.060 This is why federal action against Letitia James, we just discussed,

00:14:58.900 would show good faith with the American people,

00:15:01.360 that there's going to be one system of justice.

00:15:03.400 But it's not even that.

00:15:04.240 It's Letitia James, as you said.

00:15:05.680 It's Nancy Pelosi.

00:15:07.020 Start investigating.

00:15:08.140 Open investigations.

00:15:09.140 We've got all the money in the world, don't we?

00:15:10.820 I mean, we have no problem spending money on circumcisions in Uzbekistan 1.00

00:15:13.820 and Sesame Street in Afghanistan and handouts for everybody,

00:15:18.940 you know, whatever the hell you want.

00:15:20.260 Take it, USAID.

00:15:21.260 Here you go.

00:15:23.120 Start investigating these people.

00:15:24.740 Make them hire lawyers.

00:15:26.360 Same thing they did to you.

00:15:27.460 I agree.

00:15:28.180 Look what's happening here in Florida.

00:15:29.460 You have a new scandal in which Republican Governor Ron DeSantis

00:15:34.060 and his overbearing, pushy wife evidently essentially diverted $10 million from Medicaid. 1.00

00:15:44.100 This is money that was meant to pay for health care for poor people

00:15:47.160 and the elderly and the disabled.

00:15:49.280 And they rooted the money to a nonprofit they control

00:15:53.640 and then siphoned it off to two dark money committees

00:15:56.980 to oppose a constitutional amendment that would have legalized marijuana

00:16:00.380 that was on the ballot here in Florida.

00:16:01.760 Now, putting aside where you stand on the constitutional amendment,

00:16:04.320 that's illegal.

00:16:06.020 Who's investigating it?

00:16:07.220 The Republicans in the state legislature are investigating it,

00:16:10.580 which I think demonstrates huge courage,

00:16:12.720 taking on a Republican governor who's clearly broken the law.

00:16:16.080 And the current Florida attorney general, who was appointed by DeSantis,

00:16:20.840 is in the middle of this criminal activity.

00:16:23.420 These are violations of both state and federal law.

00:16:26.100 So, as a Republican, I say, let the chips fall where they may.

00:16:30.380 I mean, I find the Republicans in the legislature doing more

00:16:34.440 to hold a Republican accountable than what's happening in Washington.

00:16:37.960 Yeah, I don't, I'm not like the Democrats.

00:16:39.940 I don't say we should cover up anything.

00:16:42.760 Just like Jeffrey Epstein.

00:16:44.220 I don't care if there was Republicans who went to Epstein Island.

00:16:46.940 If Donald Trump went to Epstein Island,

00:16:48.500 I want to know on that piece of paper and I want the world to know.

00:16:51.060 We shouldn't be covering up for anybody

00:16:52.580 because then it makes us just as bad as them, Roger.

00:16:55.520 It makes us just as bad as the Democrats, 0.90

00:16:57.960 who are criminals in a lot of cases. 0.64

00:17:00.180 Nancy Pelosi, insider trading.

00:17:01.760 The rest of the Democrats, insider trading.

00:17:03.460 And the Republicans, too.

00:17:04.460 Dan Crenshaw, a big tough guy, insider trader.

00:17:07.960 All of them.

00:17:09.060 Why is it, it's just inaction after inaction after.

00:17:11.800 It's like you allow this behavior to continue to happen.

00:17:14.460 Well, unfortunately, as you know, under current federal law,

00:17:18.040 insider trading by a member of Congress is not even illegal.

00:17:21.180 They're allowed to do this.

00:17:22.580 I mean, what we really need is fundamental reform

00:17:24.700 so these actions are illegal, but we don't have that yet.

00:17:27.400 Yeah.

00:17:27.820 The president supports it, but it hasn't happened yet.

00:17:35.880 I want to turn to China.

00:17:37.480 They're having a little bit of an issue.

00:17:38.960 They're very upset with Donald Trump.

00:17:40.820 The tariffs.

00:17:41.900 We hear yesterday NVIDIA is coming to America

00:17:43.780 to spend a lot of money to produce chips here in America.

00:17:46.880 But China says, OK, that's fine. 0.64

00:17:48.420 You want to do that.

00:17:49.140 We're going to stop rare earth minerals coming into America,

00:17:51.360 which are mostly used for electric vehicles

00:17:54.080 and the green energy stuff, which is sort of interesting.

00:17:57.780 How do you think this all plays out?

00:17:59.400 I mean, is Donald Trump, do you think, going to cave?

00:18:01.580 A lot of people say he's caved on Europe

00:18:03.780 and he's caved on Canada and he's caved on Mexico.

00:18:06.180 How do you think he plays it with China?

00:18:07.400 I don't see that.

00:18:08.180 Canada dropped their tariffs to zero,

00:18:09.820 so I think he won that fight.

00:18:11.440 The Canadians have come to the table.

00:18:12.920 That's the first step, but he will win that fight.

00:18:14.640 Look, I've known the guy 50 years.

00:18:16.980 He never folds.

00:18:18.800 He's the most stubborn individual that ever lived.

00:18:21.480 The Chinese, I think, know they're playing a losing game,

00:18:25.240 but in their culture, as you know,

00:18:26.900 saving face is incredibly important.

00:18:30.040 So I think that he's playing the long game,

00:18:32.900 and virtually everyone has folded so far.

00:18:36.400 I mean, Besant has told me that there's 209 countries in line to negotiate

00:18:43.660 because they don't want these punitive narratives by Donald Trump.

00:18:46.840 And I'm sure you saw the giant chart he put up.

00:18:48.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:49.080 What he's doing to them is gentle compared to what they've been doing to us.

00:18:54.180 So I think he wins this fight in the long term.

00:18:57.040 And then, initially, I didn't know what to make of Howard Lutnick.

00:19:02.540 And then I figured out that what we got here is a good cop, bad cop game.

00:19:05.880 It's been orchestrated, so they send Lutnick out to rile everybody.

00:19:09.920 Then they send Scott Besson,

00:19:11.220 who I think may be the most brilliant Secretary of the Treasury since Alexander Hamer.

00:19:15.100 This guy is a genius.

00:19:15.880 Very smart.

00:19:16.880 Libertarian, believes in gold, outside-the-box thinker.

00:19:20.040 They send him out to calm the markets.

00:19:22.220 He's a calming influence.

00:19:24.940 These guys are playing a very complicated three-part game,

00:19:29.000 which includes not just tariffs,

00:19:31.500 but extension of the Trump tax cuts, which is vital.

00:19:36.200 And by the way, Democrats, no, they're not tax cuts for the rich.

00:19:38.820 They're across the board.

00:19:40.800 And then we need serious spending and regulation reform.

00:19:44.620 Elon Musk has shown the way.

00:19:46.800 By the way, I met Elon for the first time at Mar-a-Lago this past Friday night.

00:19:50.860 He was very gracious.

00:19:52.480 When I told him, I thought he was the single most important figure in the history of free speech in this decade.

00:19:58.940 Trump said, hey, what about me?

00:20:00.800 He's got a point, Trump.

00:20:04.000 I mean, they both went out on the limb and spent a lot of money to develop platforms that were just bare necessities

00:20:09.140 because you're still bad on Instagram and Facebook, right?

00:20:12.220 Yeah.

00:20:12.620 You can see how badly I feel about it. 1.00

00:20:14.440 No, I mean, but it's just so idiotic. 1.00

00:20:16.800 And this idiot Zuckerberg is begging for Trump because of the FTC antitrust lawsuit, 1.00

00:20:21.680 which may force him to sell Instagram. 1.00

00:20:24.380 It's so funny to me.

00:20:25.620 You see him buying a house in D.C. recently, Zuckerberg.

00:20:28.440 It's interesting.

00:20:29.240 Somebody who was at the table tells me that when Zuckerberg showed up at Mar-a-Lago with a check for a million dollars for the inauguration,

00:20:37.200 Trump looked at the check and said, this is very nice.

00:20:39.360 This is a very nice part.

00:20:40.960 Now you're only $449 million short of the money you used to try to screw me in the last election.

00:20:48.100 Trump's not giving these guys anything.

00:20:49.800 And this idea you can buy in, he'll take your money, but you're not getting anything in return.

00:20:55.440 Yeah, that's what a lot of people don't realize.

00:20:57.520 How do we proceed forward from here?

00:21:00.120 You look at Ukraine.

00:21:01.860 Zelensky meeting with Scott Besson, essentially telling him he made him his little child,

00:21:06.280 telling him, you speak to me like you're my equal.

00:21:08.560 And he tells Donald Trump, if you want peace in this country, you're to come here. 0.96

00:21:11.840 Who the hell does this guy think he is? 0.96

00:21:13.960 He's an actor. 0.98

00:21:15.040 Yeah. 0.96

00:21:15.300 He's a gay actor who's been hired to play the part of a president. 0.94

00:21:18.720 He's not running anything. 0.99

00:21:20.540 Surely he understands that Donald Trump could use a drone to hit him anytime he wants.

00:21:25.320 So he talks big for a guy who has no power, but he's a puppet being manipulated by others in the EU.

00:21:32.180 These folks are done.

00:21:33.560 They know they're done.

00:21:35.140 I'm not a big fan of Vladimir Putin.

00:21:37.360 Everybody will watch this and say, oh, you're a Russian student.

00:21:40.300 John, my relatives got mowed down by Russian tanks in Budapest in 1956.

00:21:44.900 I have no great love for the Russians or for Putin. 0.99

00:21:47.220 But don't tell me Putin is a dictator and Zelensky is some great small D Democrat, because that's bullshit. 0.99

00:21:53.820 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:54.180 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:21:55.700 It would be so smart if American can normalize trade with Russia again, normalize relationships with Russia again,

00:22:02.720 because then it puts us in a very interesting situation.

00:22:04.740 It puts China on the sidelines, right? 0.79

00:22:06.520 Because China at that point then has nobody to buddy-buddy up with. 0.91

00:22:09.920 Iran is soon either going to be disappeared or they're going to have no nuclear weapons.

00:22:13.720 North Korea, I don't think it makes a move ever. 0.56

00:22:16.200 So now China sits there all by themselves.

00:22:18.320 Why is everyone against America trying to normalize relations with Russia?

00:22:22.120 What is so bad about that?

00:22:23.960 Look, this was the great genius of Richard Nixon, as you know.

00:22:27.220 Yes.

00:22:27.580 I mean, he understood a couple of things.

00:22:29.560 First of all, the Russians and the Chinese have a long common border and literally centuries of distrust between both countries.

00:22:35.580 Just because they're both authoritarians, both because they were once at one point communists, does not mean they love each other.

00:22:41.100 They don't trust each other.

00:22:42.940 And we would never have gotten a strategic arms limitation.

00:22:45.640 The truth is, Nixon was in negotiations with Brezhnev.

00:22:49.780 And Brezhnev was starting to go cold on him.

00:22:52.960 And Nixon was saying, well, when are we going to meet?

00:22:54.560 Brezhnev said, I don't know.

00:22:55.340 I'm thinking about it.

00:22:56.540 So Nixon said, okay, never mind.

00:22:58.020 By the way, I'm going over to see Mao next week.

00:22:59.740 We just thought I'd hang out and see how it goes.

00:23:02.420 Now, suddenly the Russians decided, no, maybe we should make this deal.

00:23:05.820 Now, those, and there are many who I think inaccurately blame Nixon for the fact that today China is a threat to this country. 0.93

00:23:13.940 They don't understand that when Nixon recognized China, most Chinese had no indoor plumbing.

00:23:20.300 They had no toilets.

00:23:21.700 The rural areas had no electricity.

00:23:23.520 They were a dirt poor, agrarian society. 1.00

00:23:26.600 They had no technology.

00:23:27.920 They did not have today's military weaponry.

00:23:31.200 There's no way for Nixon to see that 30 years later, Bill Clinton was going to give them most favored nation trading status.

00:23:39.560 That is what made them the economic power they are today.

00:23:42.260 And he was also going to sell them our top military missile targeting secrets in the Laurel scandal.

00:23:49.820 So what I think Trump is seeking to do is return to a day in which we can divide the Russians and the Chinese.

00:24:00.060 Our great menace, our great enemy is China. 0.99

00:24:03.220 It's not Russia. 0.79

00:24:04.100 Yeah.

00:24:04.440 It's not.

00:24:04.620 In fact, with Russia, we at least have one thing in common. 0.61

00:24:07.760 We both have a severe problem with radical Islam, a problem in their country, a problem in our country. 1.00

00:24:13.680 We should be working with them against that menace as opposed to working at cross purposes.

00:24:18.960 But the neocons, the Bushes, the Cheneys, the usual suspects.

00:24:24.740 Mitt Romney's.

00:24:25.380 Mitt Romney.

00:24:26.160 They're committed to this Russell phobia that really makes no sense at all.

00:24:30.520 Yeah.

00:24:31.720 China, Panama Canal, Greenland.

00:24:34.300 How do you think that plays out?

00:24:37.020 China blocking the sale from BlackRock, which makes no sense because Panama said they had no control.

00:24:42.600 China had no control at all in the Panama Canal.

00:24:45.560 Then BlackRock goes down there and says, OK, that's why we're going to buy the canal.

00:24:47.960 And China goes, no, you're not.

00:24:49.320 How does that play out?

00:24:50.940 And Greenland.

00:24:52.140 I think these are separate situations with slightly different dynamics.

00:24:55.860 But Trump is not going to allow the Panama Canal to be closed.

00:24:59.200 Now, let's take a step back.

00:25:01.140 First of all, I think we have to honor the guy who pointed this out first.

00:25:04.600 What did Ronald Reagan warn us about?

00:25:06.560 What did he say?

00:25:07.600 We built it.

00:25:08.380 We paid for it.

00:25:09.040 It's ours.

00:25:10.060 And it would be strategically unwise to turn it over to some dictator who we now know has been completely co-opted by the Chinese. 0.98

00:25:19.640 Donald Trump will not stand for any blockage of the use of the Panama Canal for either strategic or commercial purposes.

00:25:27.720 And he's not a man to test.

00:25:30.020 He's not a man to try out.

00:25:31.620 So, in the end, I think if he has to seize control of the Panama Canal zone, he will.

00:25:37.420 That's not his desired outcome.

00:25:40.620 But he's not going to let them use that choke point on America.

00:25:44.040 What about Greenland?

00:25:45.320 Greenland, to me, I had Colonel Douglas McGregor on my show today.

00:25:51.460 Good guy.

00:25:52.080 Who outlined the strategic of importance to it.

00:25:54.800 Very smart guy.

00:25:55.460 I don't buy this idea that the people in Greenland would much rather be aligned with Denmark all the way on the other side of the world.

00:26:04.540 There's kind of nothing for them.

00:26:06.080 Yeah.

00:26:06.240 And I think there's legitimate strategic needs there.

00:26:10.880 So, again, Trump will try to negotiate a deal, but if he can't get a deal, I think he will move to protect our national security.

00:26:18.360 I want to turn back to tariffs a little bit.

00:26:21.920 He says that they have, coming up this week, they're going to have tariff deals and trade deals.

00:26:28.920 What do you see happening?

00:26:30.160 I mean, do you see him, Japan is one of the biggest, which you don't really often hear about Japan, right?

00:26:35.420 You hear about China, you hear about Canada.

00:26:36.980 They're one of the biggest debt holders of American debt.

00:26:39.820 I think it's a trillion dollars.

00:26:41.320 China's second at about $700 billion.

00:26:42.980 Do you think we see one come in and then we see the rest of them just fall in line?

00:26:48.780 I do.

00:26:49.360 I think they will fall into place.

00:26:50.920 Argentina now has a deal with the United States.

00:26:53.280 I think that's very significant.

00:26:55.080 Vietnam, I think, was the very first country to open negotiations.

00:26:58.700 I think you have a favorable deal there.

00:27:00.840 The key thing here, and you know this, John, is you have to stay the course.

00:27:04.720 Yeah.

00:27:05.060 You can't fold in the middle of a negotiation.

00:27:08.200 So Trump staked his position out.

00:27:09.800 So anyone who thinks he's going to fold doesn't understand him.

00:27:13.980 He'll never fold.

00:27:14.900 Yeah.

00:27:15.400 And those who think they can wait him out are just wrong.

00:27:18.180 And so far, he's proven to be right.

00:27:20.380 So, yeah, I do think in the end they all fall into place.

00:27:22.740 The one we don't know about is China.

00:27:24.900 And even there, I think they know that they should make a deal.

00:27:28.120 But they're very hung up on saving face and the way it all looks in the face of the world.

00:27:31.940 Yeah, I think Xi Jinping's in a lot of trouble with his people.

00:27:33.780 Right now, Xi Jinping is someplace with a copy of the art of the deal trying to figure it out.

00:27:37.600 You're in there right now.

00:27:39.160 You know, it's funny.

00:27:40.340 Speaking of, I had Grant Cardone on the other day, a really smart guy, and he had this issue with another guy.

00:27:45.920 And Grant goes to the guy, Gary Greca or something.

00:27:49.060 He says, what can you tell the people, Gary?

00:27:51.440 And Gary says, whoever does a deal with you, make sure they read the fine print because you are the greatest dealmaker of all time.

00:27:58.360 And it's the mindset, I think, that does it.

00:28:02.800 I want to turn to some politics here at home.

00:28:05.040 Good friend of yours, Tulsi Gabbard, tells us last week that the election machines are vulnerable.

00:28:10.160 Now, Lou Dobbs was sued for it.

00:28:11.680 Tucker Carlson was sued for it.

00:28:12.780 Both were fired from Fox News.

00:28:14.400 Fox paid a $787 million lawsuit.

00:28:16.680 I sat through hours of depositions and on and on and on.

00:28:23.080 Something we all knew, Roger.

00:28:24.260 We knew for years that these machines were vulnerable.

00:28:26.700 But now Tulsi comes out and confirms it.

00:28:29.820 Does this move the needle on anything?

00:28:31.460 I mean, I think it's just the beginning.

00:28:34.040 I think it's important, but I think it's just the beginning.

00:28:37.400 I don't think we can retreat from this.

00:28:39.900 Why Fox settled, I don't know.

00:28:41.840 Why Newsmax settled, I don't know.

00:28:44.080 I would not settle.

00:28:45.100 I would say, yes, okay, great.

00:28:46.260 Let's go right into depositions.

00:28:47.740 We have our experts.

00:28:48.580 We have many, many, many questions we want to ask you on your oath.

00:28:51.780 You know what the voting machines companies would do at that point?

00:28:54.080 They'd run for the hills.

00:28:55.860 So it's just a question of having the fortitude to fight this out.

00:29:00.420 I'm sorry, but you just look at it statistically.

00:29:04.040 It's not possible for Donald Trump to carry Arizona by that margin

00:29:07.980 and have that many voters drop down and vote for a dirtbag for the U.S. Senate. 1.00

00:29:11.980 A guy who barely has a presence in the state and his reputation is garbage. 0.99

00:29:16.620 Not mathematically possible. 0.98

00:29:18.920 Yeah, but it's across the board.

00:29:21.540 Wisconsin, which now Wisconsin, God bless them, they just went to paper ballots.

00:29:24.920 Why can't the rest of the nation?

00:29:26.020 Why are these Democrats so against it?

00:29:27.880 For years, they talked about stolen elections.

00:29:31.340 Lou Dobbs was talking about it in 2004.

00:29:32.760 The Democrats were all on board in the show Kill Chain.

00:29:36.620 Why can't we just agree on one thing?

00:29:38.460 Let's go back to paper ballots.

00:29:39.840 The Democrats won't get robbed and the Republicans won't get robbed.

00:29:42.780 Seems pretty simple to me.

00:29:44.040 Well, Trump has embodied it in an executive order,

00:29:46.980 but whether that's going to be carried out remains to be seen.

00:29:50.700 How about having the election on one day?

00:29:52.440 Yeah.

00:29:53.120 Instead of three weeks.

00:29:54.840 And mail-in ballots need to go entirely.

00:29:57.000 Mail-in ballots should be illegal.

00:29:59.560 Before he switched to the other team, if he was ever on our team,

00:30:03.420 Bill Barr gave a great interview with Wolf Butzer,

00:30:05.660 and he said these mail-in ballots are an open invitation for fraud.

00:30:09.040 Then when presented by absolute fraud in Pennsylvania by the U.S. attorney in Philadelphia,

00:30:14.600 he refused to even examine it.

00:30:16.300 Yeah.

00:30:16.400 So that's how desperate these people are in their Trump hatred.

00:30:20.180 But I'm sorry, if you want to tell me that Joe Biden did so much better in the African-American community

00:30:27.180 than Barack Obama, a historic figure by anybody's best, that's just not credible.

00:30:31.460 It's not credible.

00:30:32.960 It's mind-blowing to me.

00:30:34.180 I want to turn to Bill Maher. 1.00

00:30:36.600 So many stupid people on the right, Roger, are championing this guy as a good man. 1.00

00:30:41.760 He's a great man. 1.00

00:30:42.500 Well, let me tell you about Bill Maher.

00:30:43.660 First of all, I did his very first pilot for Politically Incorrect in New York City.

00:30:49.420 I did it as a favor to one of his writers, Frank Gannon,

00:30:52.580 who had worked for President Nixon, was a friend of mine.

00:30:56.740 Bill Maher, without a platoon of comedy writers, is not even faintly amusing.

00:31:00.780 He's not clever.

00:31:01.480 He's not quick.

00:31:02.100 He's not amusing. 0.99

00:31:03.060 He's a jerk-off, in short. 0.99

00:31:04.740 His head is also much too big for his body, but that's a different question. 0.99

00:31:09.140 This guy, when you go on his show, it's very heady.

00:31:15.060 You know, they take you to the old CBS lot in Burbank.

00:31:18.420 A beautiful young page comes out in her uniform.

00:31:21.220 Oh, Mr. Stone, let me take you to your dressing room.

00:31:23.620 They take you to your dressing room.

00:31:24.680 It has a star on the door.

00:31:26.760 It's very cool.

00:31:28.340 He's a producer, a guy named Scott.

00:31:29.660 Very nice guy.

00:31:31.200 He was actually on my international best dress list one year.

00:31:33.820 He comes into your room and he says,

00:31:35.480 this could be a great show, but I need to warn you about one thing.

00:31:37.900 I said, what's that?

00:31:39.280 Whatever you do, don't try to be funnier than Bill.

00:31:41.420 Oh, my goodness.

00:31:42.400 I said, wait a minute.

00:31:43.180 But Bill has a platoon of comedy writers.

00:31:45.480 Everything he's saying is on a few cards.

00:31:47.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:48.100 Because he has no ability to think.

00:31:49.240 He's actually, he's not even remotely intelligent.

00:31:53.060 He's reading everything.

00:31:54.680 And I said to the guy, well, but I'm just, I mean,

00:31:57.920 it's easier to be funnier than Bill.

00:31:59.740 And I don't have a platoon of comedy writers.

00:32:01.200 I just have me.

00:32:02.500 I used an old joke.

00:32:03.180 I said, I live by my wits, my uncles, Leibovitz and Markowitz.

00:32:07.080 The guy doesn't laugh.

00:32:08.280 He says, no, no, please.

00:32:09.540 Don't try to be funnier than Bill.

00:32:11.020 I said, he's got this huge infrastructure.

00:32:14.000 I'm just one guy out here by myself.

00:32:16.900 The bottom line of this is the last time I did his show,

00:32:19.740 he accused me of being a traitor of my country.

00:32:21.520 He accused me of being guilty of being a Russian spy.

00:32:24.840 Then he himself subsequently comes out and admits,

00:32:27.320 well, there was no Russian collusion.

00:32:28.880 Of course.

00:32:29.200 But he won't invite me back on to clear my name.

00:32:32.520 I don't even think the guy's amusing or funny.

00:32:36.280 Kid Rock should not have invited him.

00:32:38.380 Now my opinion of Kid Rock goes down.

00:32:41.120 We don't need this guy in the White House.

00:32:43.240 All you're doing is legitimizing him.

00:32:45.160 His show is not interesting.

00:32:47.580 And I think he may weigh, I don't know, 140 pounds, maybe.

00:32:51.380 Really?

00:32:51.920 Maybe.

00:32:52.500 Yeah, he's very small.

00:32:53.280 Talks like a tough guy, which is sort of interesting.

00:32:55.580 Steve Bannon goes on his show.

00:32:59.660 And to me, I thought it was sort of embarrassing for Steve to go to,

00:33:03.360 no one would go all the way out there and do his show.

00:33:05.380 But then to sit there and be schooled on the Constitution,

00:33:08.020 a man who goes on his show every day and preaches the Constitution,

00:33:10.880 and Bill Maher pulls out a Constitution and reads them the 22nd Amendment,

00:33:14.220 single line, no president may serve more than two consecutive terms.

00:33:18.000 And Bannon comes out and says, we have a team working on it.

00:33:20.340 Trump will be on the ballot and sworn back in in January.

00:33:23.660 To me, Roger, this gives the Democrats all the ammunition. 1.00

00:33:27.900 The Republicans are insane. 1.00

00:33:29.260 Project 2025, they're psychopaths. 1.00

00:33:31.420 They're this, they're that. 0.91

00:33:32.660 Why is he doing something like that?

00:33:34.460 I guess he's doing it.

00:33:35.520 I guess it's trolling.

00:33:36.600 I guess it's for the cliques because, look, I love Donald Trump.

00:33:40.120 If he could theoretically serve another term, that'd be great.

00:33:42.560 But I think we both understand the Constitution is very clear. 0.59

00:33:45.900 Steve didn't even have the cojones to say, well,

00:33:49.860 what we're going to do is have J.D. Vance run for president.

00:33:53.580 Then we're going to have Donald Trump run for vice president.

00:33:55.880 Then upon election, Vance would resign and Trump would move up to be president.

00:34:00.740 Then because there's a vacancy in the vice presidency,

00:34:03.420 he would appoint J.D. Vance to be vice president.

00:34:06.320 And the Senate would convert Vance.

00:34:08.260 That's a fantasy.

00:34:09.240 It's an interesting fantasy.

00:34:10.900 Does anyone believe that if J.D. Vance became president,

00:34:14.180 which would be okay with me, I like J.D. Vance,

00:34:15.940 that he would then resign to step aside for Donald Trump?

00:34:19.580 I don't see that happening.

00:34:20.940 So Steve is bullshitting, but I think his whole, I mean, look,

00:34:25.940 I'm a very biased person, as you know. 0.98

00:34:28.180 A little bit.

00:34:29.020 Because he testified to the House Intelligence Committee under oath.

00:34:32.660 He was asked by Adam Schiff, did you ever discuss WikiLeaks,

00:34:36.500 Julian Assange, or these allegedly stolen emails with Roger Stone?

00:34:39.920 He said, no, never.

00:34:41.800 Schiff said, followed up on no occasion.

00:34:43.980 Steve said, no, never.

00:34:45.940 Imagine my shock in my trial in Washington, D.C.,

00:34:48.520 where I'm fighting for my life.

00:34:49.780 Yeah.

00:34:50.220 When the government's secret witness, dressed all in black,

00:34:54.320 kind of like a fat Johnny Cash, sweeps into the courtroom,

00:34:57.700 won't look me in the eye.

00:34:58.840 Of course.

00:34:59.260 Ask the exact same question, and he says,

00:35:02.440 oh, no, Stone brought it up in every conversation I have with him in 2016.

00:35:06.060 In fact, I considered Roger Stone our contact point with WikiLeaks,

00:35:11.560 which is all perjury, all false. 0.52

00:35:13.220 So, you know, look, I'm a Christian.

00:35:17.300 The Bible tells us to forgive those who have trespassed against us.

00:35:20.540 It's the hardest thing to do, John, particularly when you're Sicilian.

00:35:23.300 It's hard for me to forgive this, but I have forgiven it, but I have not forgotten it.

00:35:28.560 Yeah. 0.99

00:35:28.680 So I think his whole backstory is largely bullshit. 0.99

00:35:31.940 No, I don't think he made millions of dollars from Seinfeld. 0.99

00:35:34.920 I think that's a fiction.

00:35:35.960 I didn't even know that.

00:35:36.660 No, did I think he was a genius on Wall Street?

00:35:39.060 Here's what I do know.

00:35:40.120 He was a very close friend of Jeffrey Epstein's.

00:35:42.760 He visited Jeffrey Epstein's home in New York.

00:35:45.880 It's in the New York Post.

00:35:47.180 He visited Jeffrey Epstein's home in Paris.

00:35:49.860 Why would you be hanging with a convicted pedophile?

00:35:52.440 This was after the time that Epstein had been convicted in Florida, but prior to the time that he was charged federally.

00:36:00.440 Why would you associate with somebody like this?

00:36:02.860 Now, Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein made a documentary together.

00:36:08.200 I didn't know that.

00:36:08.540 Where is that documentary?

00:36:09.620 Why haven't you seen it?

00:36:11.360 Bannon admitted, you can find this online, that he was coaching Epstein for his 60 Minutes interview

00:36:16.560 on how to get through the questions about his involvement with pedophilia.

00:36:20.240 So, I mean, I'll let other people decide, but Jeff, I mean, I think Steve Bannon is like a circus act.

00:36:28.900 I mean, there's nothing real going on there.

00:36:36.140 You're a man who wasn't in trouble in your life until, in serious trouble, until 2016 when you decided you were going to become a Russian agent, you know?

00:36:45.560 Right.

00:36:45.740 So, but I see Steve Bannon, you know the criminal justice system, you know what a plea deal is, but I see Steve Bannon and this guy, Brian Colfudge,

00:36:53.680 the military vet who's got no legs, who's in jail right now for that build-the-wall scheme,

00:36:58.300 and I see Steve take a plea deal admitting to stealing $2 million and goes to jail for zero days.

00:37:05.100 To me, I sit there and I think, how does a man do that?

00:37:08.060 Now, I only see things on his face.

00:37:10.220 As someone who's been through the process, Roger, how does a man get out of jail time after admitting stealing $2 million?

00:37:15.720 Yeah, no, I can't wrap my head around it.

00:37:17.280 So, his two co-conspirators in this, in ripping off his charity for $15 million and putting it in their pockets, two of them go to prison.

00:37:25.420 Yeah.

00:37:25.980 Steve gets a pardon from President Trump on that crime, but then he gets re-indicted since he never went to trial,

00:37:33.060 unlike me, unlike General Flynn, unlike Paul Manafort.

00:37:35.740 He got a preemptive pardon from Trump, and then they re-indicted him in New York.

00:37:41.580 So, I'm thinking, well, this guy's, you know, a New York judge.

00:37:43.940 He's going to be like the two judges who sat on Donald Trump's trials.

00:37:46.820 This guy's in big trouble.

00:37:48.300 And then he changes his plea from not guilty to guilty, and the judge in New York gives him zero jail time.

00:37:56.380 Now, you know what this tells me?

00:37:59.200 It tells me he's cooperating.

00:38:00.480 Yeah.

00:38:00.920 Cooperating against somebody.

00:38:03.280 It's not me, that's for sure.

00:38:04.440 But who's he cooperating against?

00:38:06.580 Somebody there does not sit right with me.

00:38:09.120 Who?

00:38:09.580 Give me your best guest.

00:38:11.480 I mean, I really don't know.

00:38:12.600 Donald Trump?

00:38:13.420 Well, that would be a pretty sophisticated guess.

00:38:16.640 I mean, somebody.

00:38:17.820 First of all, it has to be somebody bigger than Steve.

00:38:19.820 Well, that's almost anybody.

00:38:21.220 We're not talking about weight here, because we're talking about stature.

00:38:25.020 And then there's the other question about his, I don't understand what his problem is with soap and water.

00:38:30.840 I mean, why does this guy look to me like he's chasing down hobos for his wardrobe, or he's dumpster diving?

00:38:37.900 It's very hard to understand.

00:38:39.980 Why can't this guy ever, like, look like he's taking a bath?

00:38:45.240 Oh, boy.

00:38:47.180 Yeah, it's truly remarkable.

00:38:48.500 I don't, things, Lou used to tell me all the time, if it seems too good to be true, lift up the rug, there's probably a mouse under there.

00:38:55.180 The thing that I, and we'll move on from this after this, the thing that I think is so strange about him is he was fired from the White House, okay, and claims he's this huge MAGA guy, but he's sort of persona non grata with President Trump, right?

00:39:08.040 Yeah, they're not particularly close.

00:39:09.580 I mean, look, after he was, after he was fired, he said a number of things.

00:39:13.460 He said that he was the brains.

00:39:14.880 The Trump organization was a criminal enterprise. 0.98

00:39:17.280 Donald Trump Jr. is a Russian agent. 0.58

00:39:19.980 Trump is not a millionaire, not a billionaire, pardon me.

00:39:23.440 And then it's like all those things are erased.

00:39:25.620 You know, I see there's, he had no involvement in the campaign, which is good because it doesn't know anything about elective politics.

00:39:31.500 Those who say, well, he was the manager for Donald Trump's campaign.

00:39:34.240 No, he took the written plan laid out by Paul Manafort, all he did was implement it.

00:39:38.920 So this idea that he was a Wall Street wizard or a Hollywood success or a great political strategist, he knows nothing whatsoever about elective politics.

00:39:47.620 Yeah, that's why I have you on the show once a week.

00:39:50.160 People really enjoy it every time you're on the show.

00:39:52.260 Before we move on, I want to say at the time when it was time for you to go to either jail or to get the pardon, I'll never forget, Lou would call me every night and he's like, we got to help Roger.

00:40:01.640 We got to figure out a way to help Roger.

00:40:02.900 I feel so terrible what they're doing to him.

00:40:04.340 We've got to help Roger.

00:40:05.160 We've got to help Roger.

00:40:06.480 And, you know, I hope, you know, that Lou Dobbs was a part of the reason because, you know, he was, he really cared about you and he was, it was just a travesty, Roger.

00:40:15.260 I think there's no question about, there's about two or three people who are absolutely crucial in, in helping the president understand that I was prosecuted because I refused to roll on him.

00:40:24.740 Well, they see that they didn't prosecute me.

00:40:27.060 They didn't store my home at six o'clock in the morning because I did something wrong.

00:40:29.980 They had investigated all their Russian collusion.

00:40:32.800 They come up empty handed.

00:40:34.060 So they had to invent something.

00:40:35.940 So they were trying to pressure me into claiming that I was some kind of intermediary between WikiLeaks and Donald Trump, which was a lie.

00:40:42.780 Larry Kudlow, Lou Dobbs, and Tucker Carlson, the three most important figures in convincing the president, Mr. President, please look at this.

00:40:52.080 This guy did nothing wrong.

00:40:53.580 They're trying to destroy him and his family because he's standing tall for you because he won't be Michael Cohen.

00:40:58.860 That's all they really wanted.

00:40:59.880 They just wanted me.

00:41:00.600 I remember very distinctly sitting with these prosecutors and they said, you're going to prison.

00:41:06.660 I said, yeah.

00:41:07.780 They said, if you don't cooperate, we're going to hit you with superseding charges.

00:41:11.920 I said, okay, well, you do whatever you want.

00:41:13.840 They said, but there is a way out.

00:41:15.240 You've got to cooperate.

00:41:16.080 I said, yeah.

00:41:17.180 They pushed this piece of paper across to me and they said, all you need to do is sign this.

00:41:20.920 I looked at it. 1.00

00:41:22.180 It's all bullshit. 1.00

00:41:22.900 I said, all you need to do is shove that up your ass. 1.00

00:41:27.660 So, look, I was a man staring into the abyss and I am grateful to Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:41:31.940 I'm grateful to Tucker Carlson and Larry Kudlow and Lou Dobbs.

00:41:35.200 I'm most grateful for Donald Trump just seeing with the big picture what was going on.

00:41:39.300 But there was no way I was doing that.

00:41:40.940 Just no way.

00:41:41.640 Yeah.

00:41:41.900 I got to test.

00:41:42.560 I was there for phone calls while he was on the phone with the president talking about it because he cared.

00:41:46.440 I mean, it was just a travesty.

00:41:48.100 What they did to so many of you, Papadopoulos, low hanging fruit.

00:41:50.740 Papadopoulos is not a fruit.

00:41:53.980 I just want to say that publicly.

00:41:55.180 Not a fruit?

00:41:57.000 But they never, Roger, they never paid the price.

00:41:59.540 None of them ever paid the damn price for everything they've done to these people.

00:42:02.980 Comey's out doing whatever the hell he wants. 0.91

00:42:05.520 Brennan is out doing whatever the hell he wants. 1.00

00:42:07.400 Nobody's ever paid the price for the shit that they did to you guys, which is, I mean, reprehensible. 0.99

00:42:13.360 And beyond repair, you had to move out of your home. 0.99

00:42:17.260 You were getting harassed.

00:42:18.520 CNN was at your front door.

00:42:19.700 I mean, you're just a small piece.

00:42:22.000 I don't mean that literally, but you're just a small piece of a big picture.

00:42:25.200 I mean, there were so many more Roger Stones who were just getting the shot.

00:42:28.200 Look, I think that, first of all, the Durham thing was a fraud.

00:42:31.080 Yeah.

00:42:31.260 In other words, Barr said to Durham, you're going to investigate this.

00:42:34.880 Take as much time as you can.

00:42:36.880 Just make sure the statute of limitations have run on anything that you discover.

00:42:40.980 Barr never even investigates the alleged Russian hack of the DNC.

00:42:45.000 That's because it never happened.

00:42:46.260 There is no Russian hack of the DNC.

00:42:48.320 So that was a holding action.

00:42:51.060 Nobody, they never intended to prosecute anybody. 0.96

00:42:53.740 Then, as I said earlier, Durham prosecutes this poor schmuck at the very bottom of the totem pole. 0.96

00:43:00.120 And even he gets off. 0.91

00:43:02.500 So will anybody be held responsible?

00:43:05.020 Remains to be seen.

00:43:05.980 Cash Patel, Pam Bondi have the authority.

00:43:08.120 Here's why.

00:43:09.200 There is no statute of limitations on treason.

00:43:11.980 Correct.

00:43:12.300 You could be charged with treason at any time if you're guilty of it.

00:43:16.260 These people engage in treasonous activity.

00:43:18.320 They have to be held accountable.

00:43:19.660 You had mentioned Seth Rich and Lou Dobbs was sued for such.

00:43:22.200 I was talking with Mike Benz about this the other day.

00:43:24.400 Lou Dobbs and Fox News were sued by Seth Rich's family.

00:43:27.720 They settled the day before I think they were going to trial.

00:43:30.140 Simply because Lou Dobbs said Seth Rich was murdered.

00:43:34.500 The family came out and said, well, he wasn't murdered.

00:43:36.480 He was robbed.

00:43:37.680 Which didn't make any sense to me.

00:43:39.600 Ty Clevenger, who happens to be my attorney, has been on the FBI's back about this for years.

00:43:45.000 Okay?

00:43:45.720 Asking for his laptop.

00:43:47.120 Now, Ty tells me something very simple, Roger.

00:43:49.920 Seth gets shot in the back of the head, not robbed, right?

00:43:52.280 Nothing's missing.

00:43:53.100 His brother flies out from Colorado to D.C., picks up his laptop, his work and his personal laptop,

00:43:58.320 and flies back to Colorado.

00:44:00.400 Does anybody think, like, that's normal operating procedure for your brother who was just assassinated?

00:44:05.860 No, and we have, we're the videos of the last hours of his life.

00:44:08.780 He's in a bunch of public places where there are security cameras.

00:44:11.240 We have none of those cameras.

00:44:13.900 Anybody would know that at my trial, the FBI was forced to admit that they never inspected the computer servers of the DNC.

00:44:22.260 Of course.

00:44:22.580 And that CrowdStrikes, the company that did, which allegedly had evidence of Russian collusion or Russian hacking,

00:44:31.880 admitted before the House Intelligence Committee, they actually had no such proof.

00:44:36.100 But when I, pardon me, I'm fighting a cold.

00:44:39.860 When I wanted to bring in Bill Binney, the former counterterrorism IT expert for the CIA,

00:44:47.120 who could have provided expert testimony and forensic evidence that shows that the download times of the material that was stolen from the DNC

00:44:55.020 had to have been downloaded to a portable disk and taken out the back door,

00:44:59.600 well, Judge Jackson, of course, would not allow such testimony because it would blow their whole false narrative wide open.

00:45:04.940 And today, Seth Rich is like the third rail of American politics.

00:45:09.900 If you mention it, you'll get sued.

00:45:11.080 But his own father said that his wallet and his watch and his jewelry and his credit cards were all intact.

00:45:17.660 So it wasn't a robbery.

00:45:19.240 But nobody wants to talk about this.

00:45:21.060 No, because like you said, everybody's litigious about everything and getting sued.

00:45:25.480 But this just goes to the point that we were talking about earlier.

00:45:28.300 Release the laptop.

00:45:29.920 A judge ordered that Ty Clevenger be given the laptop.

00:45:32.760 Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, what are you guys doing?

00:45:34.940 Give the guy the laptop.

00:45:36.220 You've confirmed that you have it.

00:45:37.840 Things like this, Roger, that can happen like that are not happening.

00:45:41.860 There's got to be a reason.

00:45:42.980 Now, Julian Assange, I think, is a hero.

00:45:44.640 I think he's an American hero.

00:45:46.400 I don't think he's this brilliant hacker.

00:45:48.560 Okay?

00:45:48.840 He was given materials and he put them out.

00:45:51.540 In my opinion, that makes him a good man.

00:45:53.320 Edward Snowden, you can argue maybe he was treason in some of the things he did.

00:45:56.800 Maybe it wasn't.

00:45:58.060 I happen to think no because he laid out that Americans were being spied on illegally.

00:46:02.620 So, you know, take it for what it's worth on that.

00:46:04.540 But this is something so simple that Pam Bondi and Cash Patel can say, here, Mr. Clevenger, here's the laptop.

00:46:11.280 The judge said you can have it.

00:46:12.580 You have to wonder what other pressures are on them.

00:46:14.760 You have to.

00:46:15.520 Because you're right.

00:46:16.080 It's illogical.

00:46:17.340 Right.

00:46:17.480 I've read Cash's book, so he knows the whole story.

00:46:20.360 Oh.

00:46:20.460 So, you have to wonder what other pressures are on them.

00:46:24.480 Look, I continue to have faith.

00:46:26.100 I have faith in Trump.

00:46:26.980 I have faith in God.

00:46:28.320 I have faith in those individuals.

00:46:29.820 I guess we shall see.

00:46:30.940 Yeah.

00:46:31.260 I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.

00:46:32.880 Some of my friends are a little more impatient than I am.

00:46:35.260 But I have to admit to you, it is troubling.

00:46:37.460 Roger, we have a year and change.

00:46:40.180 Because the midterms come and the Republicans, it doesn't look like, in my opinion, I don't think the Republicans hold the midterms.

00:46:44.840 But you may have a different opinion, just historically.

00:46:47.700 It's just too early to say.

00:46:49.400 Historically.

00:46:49.980 But all historical records are out the window.

00:46:52.140 With Donald Trump.

00:46:52.600 We never had a president who was not a governor, senator, general, or congressman.

00:46:57.280 Now we do.

00:46:57.960 Yeah.

00:46:58.260 We never had a guy, other than one Democrat, nobody ever was elected president, cheated out of re-election, then came back.

00:47:06.180 Everybody bet against Donald Trump.

00:47:07.920 He's done.

00:47:08.460 He's finished.

00:47:09.020 He's through.

00:47:09.400 But here he is, back in office and better prepared than he would have been had he rightfully been given the office in 2020.

00:47:15.540 So I'm still optimistic.

00:47:17.560 And for those who are ready to just throw in the towel in the house, it's just too early to do that.

00:47:21.920 Here's what I know.

00:47:22.960 I went and got a dozen eggs on Sunday.

00:47:25.880 They cost me $5.50.

00:47:28.000 Last time I bought eggs, Joe Biden was president.

00:47:30.100 They cost me $8.90.

00:47:32.100 Gas prices are down.

00:47:33.640 Interest rates are down.

00:47:35.540 It's a little early to throw in the towel on the 2026 elections.

00:47:39.440 Just hypothetically speaking, if they do lose it, right?

00:47:42.200 The investigation starts, the impeachment starts, and he sits lame duck for the next two years.

00:47:46.400 That's why I think we've got to move. 0.99

00:47:49.760 I mean, Mike Johnson's been sitting on his ass doing absolutely nothing. 0.99

00:47:53.100 Last week, we finally get something out of him after months. 0.99

00:47:55.820 I mean, these guys have got to start moving at record pace.

00:47:57.880 November, they take the summer off.

00:47:59.760 Okay, so they come back in November and campaign season starts where these guys have got to defend their seats.

00:48:03.540 I mean, it comes up and it creeps up quick.

00:48:05.540 You know this.

00:48:07.100 They don't hold the house, Roger. 0.99

00:48:08.280 We're screwed. 0.97

00:48:09.560 Well, maybe we are. 0.99

00:48:10.360 Maybe we aren't.

00:48:11.080 The executive has enormous power.

00:48:13.100 Here's what they cannot do.

00:48:14.000 They cannot steal the house.

00:48:15.600 So let's take the example in Florida 14, where Kathy Castor won that seat over Commander Rocky Rockford. 0.96

00:48:24.840 54,000 mail-in ballots were counted by people.

00:48:30.320 When you look at their application to vote, there's no social security number and there's no date of birth.

00:48:35.460 The House Administration Committee is the final arbiter who won that seat.

00:48:40.120 Mike, this is simple.

00:48:42.040 Even the RINOs will vote with you because they want to retain their committee chairhips.

00:48:45.920 We could have picked up a seat there by doing the right thing.

00:48:48.080 Instead, they say, oh, no, he missed some artificial deadline.

00:48:51.040 There was no deadline.

00:48:52.440 So if we're going to let more people vote in Orange County, California, two congressional districts,

00:48:57.940 if we're going to let more people vote than are registered to vote, well, then shame on us.

00:49:01.100 We deserve to lose the House.

00:49:02.260 Yeah.

00:49:02.640 We're going to fight for every seat.

00:49:03.900 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:49:04.800 And I guess we'll see in the coming months.

00:49:07.260 Roger, I appreciate you coming and joining us today in the studio.

00:49:10.460 You get the last word here because next week when you're on the show, I'll be back in New York and you'll still be in the free.

00:49:16.480 It's kind of free with high mortgage rates and high insurance rates and high utility rates and high car mortgage rates.

00:49:23.400 But aside from that, it's one of the most beautiful states in the country.

00:49:26.980 You get the last word here.

00:49:28.640 First of all, I'm honored that you put on a necktie, which I know you wouldn't have done for anybody.

00:49:32.940 No, it's correct.

00:49:34.000 And I would never come to a studio for anybody but you.

00:49:36.940 Look, it's great to be with you.

00:49:38.140 I remain an optimist.

00:49:39.220 I still think that America's greatest days lie ahead.

00:49:43.460 I think we're about to enter a golden age, an unprecedented age of peace, prosperity, security, and justice.

00:49:50.260 All we have to do is not become a panicking, not lose our nerve.

00:49:54.160 We have to stick to the plan, stick to the course.

00:49:56.380 And I think that God, who actually ordained our victory in this most recent election, because in many ways it was unlikely, it was improbable.

00:50:04.840 I think God will continue to guide this nation to greatness.

00:50:08.400 And I think he will destroy the demons who have been trying to destroy America.

00:50:11.420 Thanks, John.

00:50:12.040 Folks, you heard it from the great Roger Stone.

00:50:13.780 Roger, we'll see you next week back in the great state, well, not so great state of New York.

00:50:17.820 We'll see you next week.

The Great America Show - April 20, 2025

The Great America Sunday Show： April 20, 2025

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