The Great America Sunday Show： April 20, 2025
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Summary
Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York City, is under investigation by the Department of Justice for mortgage fraud. For months, the Great Roger Stone has been looking into Leticia James, her mortgages and where she really lives. It turns out, for the past few months, Letitia James has been telling at least the government that she lives full-time in Norfolk, Virginia. At least that s what the documents say on her mortgage deed and her housing deed say.
Transcript
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
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In just a few moments, we're going to be joined by our good friend, the great Roger Stone.
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Just hours ago, I sat down with Roger and we took up everything you could possibly think
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Roger's been working on a very big story that's breaking over the last 24 hours.
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Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York, it turns out,
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the motto of today's show is, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
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Tish James is under investigation, has been referred to the Department of Justice for mortgage fraud.
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For months, the great Roger Stone has been looking into Letitia James, her mortgages, and where she really lives.
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It turns out, for the past few months, Letitia James has been telling at least the government
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At least that's what the documents say on her mortgage deed and her housing deed.
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So, she seems to be in a little bit of trouble.
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We're going to take that up with Roger in just a few moments.
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Now, you may remember Letitia James went after President Trump.
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Well, she may have done exactly the same thing, which is why I say, don't throw stones when you live in glass houses.
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Now, if she didn't learn her lesson and tried to do her projection when she's really the one committing the crimes,
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Gavin Newsom, deciding he's going to file a lawsuit against the Trump administration today,
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arguing that President Trump's use of the International Emergency Economics Power Act
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to impose tariffs of Canada, Mexico, and China, 10% on all imports, violates the Constitution.
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I'm not really sure what Gavin Newsom knows about the Constitution, yet alone the law.
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Well, we all remember what Gavin Newsom did during COVID, and his dinner is out.
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Another man who's throwing stones when he lives in a glass house.
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Let's take you now to that interview with the great Roger Stone.
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I hope you enjoy it as much as I did sitting down with Roger.
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It was great to see Roger, and great to catch up with him once again.
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I know you told me I'm the only man that you'd come in and do this,
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but I was on my deathbed this morning, and I got an IV because I had food poisoning, and now I'm here.
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You've been breaking a story for the last month or so about Tish James living in Norfolk, Virginia.
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She's the attorney general for the great state of New York.
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How was her main residence in Norfolk, Virginia, when she's the attorney general of New York City?
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Yeah, I mean, John, this is only the latest in a long series, like a daisy chain of mortgage fraud by Big Tish.
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So just weeks before Donald Trump's so-called evaluation trial, she filed a power of attorney with a mortgage company
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in which she said that within 60 days of closing on this property, she would become a legal resident of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
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The problem with that, of course, is that that would make her constitutionally ineligible to be the attorney general of New York.
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The way it works is if you move out of state, the office is automatically vacated.
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Either she moved, in which case she's not eligible to be AG, or she didn't move, in which case she is guilty of mortgage fraud.
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So that would be interesting if that was just the first case.
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But you go all the way back to her first mortgage, one that she got when she was 24 years old, fresh out of Howard University.
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She claimed that her father was her husband in order to use his balance sheet and his finances to qualify for the mortgage.
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If you look on the mortgage, it lists Tish James and her father, Robert James, as man and wife.
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But if you look at the title on the property, it correctly lists them as father and daughter.
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Then there's another instance in which she got a property in Virginia under a HAMP loan, a federal loan,
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that was specifically for investment properties of less than four units.
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So she qualified for and got this loan, but I had somebody go look at the property.
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So I guess the bottom line of this is pretty clear, at least as far as mortgages are concerned.
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Tish LeJames, Letitia James says that no person is above the law except for evidently for her.
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Now, this doesn't even go into the serial cover-up of sexual assault by her chief of staff,
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who happens to be Muslim, in which she clearly moved to cover that up.
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This lawsuit by at least one of these three women was filed in 2022.
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Only weeks ago, the appeals court in New York, dominated by Democrats, dismissed not the suit, but the suit against her.
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And then you have the other really troubling question of how she financed her campaign for attorney general.
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Most of that money came through the Democrat payment processing company, ActBlue.
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What they do, John, is they turn off the credit card verification where you have to match the address of the cardholder,
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and they basically funneled millions of dollars into her campaign from donors who either don't really exist,
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or when you contact them, when you go to their doorstep and you show them the 27 contributions they gave to Letitia James,
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So she's a fraud, and the irony of this is that she tried to hold Donald Trump to a false standard.
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She used a law which has never been used, claiming that he inflated the value of his assets in order to make commercial real estate loans,
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all of which got paid back on time, and the people who loaned Trump the money made $40 million profit,
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She has now filed a bunch of lawsuits, and she's trying to distract attention from this, but it won't work.
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Late today there was a story that the Federal Home Loan Finance Administration has reviewed all of her mortgage documents,
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and they made a referral to the U.S. Justice Department.
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So you've been in politics your entire adult life.
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You're probably one of the longest-serving political strategists in this country, okay?
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why is this idiot throwing stones when she's living in a very thin-glassed house?
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Anybody in the banking world will tell you what you had said,
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that it was the dumbest case that they've never seen brought before.
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She's now going after the Trump administration because she says they were insider trading.
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First of all, I don't think Donald Trump even owns any stock,
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so I'm not sure what the insider trading she's talking about is.
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But she's doing all these things to put the pressure on herself when she's got far more problems.
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As you say, why put the pressure on yourself when you know that you've got skeletons in the closet?
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She's trying to divert us to looking at this, looking at that.
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I mean, if we're going to investigate somebody for insider trading,
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Let's start with all these members of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, sadly,
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I don't think she has any evidence of insider trading by Trump insiders.
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If you did go make a trade based on Trump's public comments, that's not insider trading.
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So when Trump participates in a tariff war because he's going to bludgeon our trade partners
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into giving us a fair deal after ripping us off for decades,
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you'd have to be a genius to know what the situation is.
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Look, I'm not a sophisticated Wall Street investor.
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But I do know you're not going to find anybody in Trump's circle doing insider trading.
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It's all diversion, John, diversion for her own crimes.
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It's the illicit and illegal financing of our campaigns.
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No, I think it's a new day in which we have one system of justice
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in which we recalibrate the justice system so everybody's treated equally.
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So now looking at it from the standpoint of the Trump administration,
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why does he not have the Southern District of New York on top of this woman right away?
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And it seems, Roger, I'm a little bit disappointed,
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about how slow the administration is moving on certain things.
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The JFK documents, the RFK documents, the MLK documents,
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the Epstein documents, they're moving, dragging their feet on numerous things.
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I mean, something as simple as this referred to the Southern District of New York.
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Well, in all honesty, I think that of all of the federal prosecutorial districts,
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Just this last week, in a very high-profile crypto case,
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the judge read a memo from the Justice Department
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your views here today expressed seem to completely contradict this memo
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the corrupt prosecutor who did the Epstein death cover-up,
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who prosecuted Ghislaine Maxwell for conspiracy,
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but didn't name any other conspirators other than her,
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they all resigned to protest the Eric Adams decision not to prosecute.
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But the people who are still in place are leftist criminals who hate Donald Trump.
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is fire every single person in the office and start open again.
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And leave it empty if you have to for the time being.
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You look at the Department of State under Pete Hegseth,
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I mean, citizen journalists have to go into this
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There's maybe, maybe a thousand people in the Pentagon
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who are top brass in the sense where their role actually means something.
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Everyone else is just a paper pusher, essentially, is what he explained to me.
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If you put 10 people in charge of weeding through this thing,
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Why are these deep staters still infiltrated inside the government?
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We knew for months, we knew since November 5th,
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we knew since January 20th that this was going to happen.
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How is it that we're now months into this administration
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Well, as one of my friends said to me the other day,
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Look, I'm prepared still to give Kash Patel and Pam Bondi
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So when the inspector general of the Justice Department under Joe Biden
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finds that Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell illegally leaked classified documents,
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it should take you half an hour to get them federally indicted.
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It could be, and this would not be a legitimate,
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a recognition that any Democrat charged with a crime in D.C.,
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no matter how outrageous their transgression may be,
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instead of indicting Hillary Clinton and John Podesta and James Comey
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he indicts this poor schmuck Sussman at the very bottom of the totem pole,
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charging the guy who drove the getaway car with double parking
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then he gets put back on the bar and he pays no price.
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No, we still have a double standard in America.
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Dan Bongino, we were talking about this before,
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and I want to pull it up and read it for the audience
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to get their reaction and get your reaction to it,
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because to me, I mean, it's very, very odd for this administration.
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Now, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino were two of the biggest mudslingers,
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saying they were getting rid of the FBI building,
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actions that aren't immediately visible do not equate to inaction.
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To me, that's just some bullshit excuse for you not doing your job after sitting here,
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More Cash than Dan, but going on your show every day,
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the building's going to be turned into a museum.
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Well, I do think they are probably dealing with the difficulty of the D.C. circuit.
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That's the problem, is that most of these crimes have to be charged there.
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Well, I'm just saying from the employee aspect,
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not even charging anybody or bringing referrals.
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I'm saying the employees that he has working right now in the FBI
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are some of the worst people, Roger, the people who went after you.
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I mean, is that not a slap in the face to someone like you,
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who was put through hell, bankrupted, and they're still working there?
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In all honesty, I'm going to remain agnostic for the time being,
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because I have the highest possible regard for Cash Patel
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who knows the full picture, because I've read his book.
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I'm not sure why he gave up a $100 million radio career
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It does make me wonder, and maybe he's just doing it temporarily,
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So I'm going to wait a little longer, but so far I'm not impressed.
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This is why federal action against Letitia James, we just discussed,
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would show good faith with the American people,
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that there's going to be one system of justice.
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We've got all the money in the world, don't we?
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I mean, we have no problem spending money on circumcisions in Uzbekistan
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and Sesame Street in Afghanistan and handouts for everybody,
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You have a new scandal in which Republican Governor Ron DeSantis
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and his overbearing, pushy wife evidently essentially diverted $10 million from Medicaid.
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This is money that was meant to pay for health care for poor people
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And they rooted the money to a nonprofit they control
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and then siphoned it off to two dark money committees
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to oppose a constitutional amendment that would have legalized marijuana
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Now, putting aside where you stand on the constitutional amendment,
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The Republicans in the state legislature are investigating it,
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taking on a Republican governor who's clearly broken the law.
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And the current Florida attorney general, who was appointed by DeSantis,
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These are violations of both state and federal law.
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So, as a Republican, I say, let the chips fall where they may.
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I mean, I find the Republicans in the legislature doing more
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to hold a Republican accountable than what's happening in Washington.
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I don't care if there was Republicans who went to Epstein Island.
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I want to know on that piece of paper and I want the world to know.
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because then it makes us just as bad as them, Roger.
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Why is it, it's just inaction after inaction after.
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It's like you allow this behavior to continue to happen.
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Well, unfortunately, as you know, under current federal law,
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insider trading by a member of Congress is not even illegal.
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I mean, what we really need is fundamental reform
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so these actions are illegal, but we don't have that yet.
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The president supports it, but it hasn't happened yet.
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to spend a lot of money to produce chips here in America.
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We're going to stop rare earth minerals coming into America,
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and the green energy stuff, which is sort of interesting.
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I mean, is Donald Trump, do you think, going to cave?
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and he's caved on Canada and he's caved on Mexico.
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That's the first step, but he will win that fight.
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He's the most stubborn individual that ever lived.
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The Chinese, I think, know they're playing a losing game,
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I mean, Besant has told me that there's 209 countries in line to negotiate
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because they don't want these punitive narratives by Donald Trump.
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And I'm sure you saw the giant chart he put up.
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What he's doing to them is gentle compared to what they've been doing to us.
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So I think he wins this fight in the long term.
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And then, initially, I didn't know what to make of Howard Lutnick.
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And then I figured out that what we got here is a good cop, bad cop game.
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It's been orchestrated, so they send Lutnick out to rile everybody.
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who I think may be the most brilliant Secretary of the Treasury since Alexander Hamer.
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Libertarian, believes in gold, outside-the-box thinker.
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These guys are playing a very complicated three-part game,
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but extension of the Trump tax cuts, which is vital.
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And by the way, Democrats, no, they're not tax cuts for the rich.
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And then we need serious spending and regulation reform.
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By the way, I met Elon for the first time at Mar-a-Lago this past Friday night.
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When I told him, I thought he was the single most important figure in the history of free speech in this decade.
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I mean, they both went out on the limb and spent a lot of money to develop platforms that were just bare necessities
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because you're still bad on Instagram and Facebook, right?
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And this idiot Zuckerberg is begging for Trump because of the FTC antitrust lawsuit,
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You see him buying a house in D.C. recently, Zuckerberg.
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Somebody who was at the table tells me that when Zuckerberg showed up at Mar-a-Lago with a check for a million dollars for the inauguration,
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Trump looked at the check and said, this is very nice.
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Now you're only $449 million short of the money you used to try to screw me in the last election.
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And this idea you can buy in, he'll take your money, but you're not getting anything in return.
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Yeah, that's what a lot of people don't realize.
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Zelensky meeting with Scott Besson, essentially telling him he made him his little child,
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telling him, you speak to me like you're my equal.
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And he tells Donald Trump, if you want peace in this country, you're to come here.
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He's a gay actor who's been hired to play the part of a president.
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Surely he understands that Donald Trump could use a drone to hit him anytime he wants.
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So he talks big for a guy who has no power, but he's a puppet being manipulated by others in the EU.
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Everybody will watch this and say, oh, you're a Russian student.
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John, my relatives got mowed down by Russian tanks in Budapest in 1956.
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I have no great love for the Russians or for Putin.
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But don't tell me Putin is a dictator and Zelensky is some great small D Democrat, because that's bullshit.
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It would be so smart if American can normalize trade with Russia again, normalize relationships with Russia again,
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because then it puts us in a very interesting situation.
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Because China at that point then has nobody to buddy-buddy up with.
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Iran is soon either going to be disappeared or they're going to have no nuclear weapons.
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North Korea, I don't think it makes a move ever.
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Why is everyone against America trying to normalize relations with Russia?
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Look, this was the great genius of Richard Nixon, as you know.
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First of all, the Russians and the Chinese have a long common border and literally centuries of distrust between both countries.
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Just because they're both authoritarians, both because they were once at one point communists, does not mean they love each other.
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And we would never have gotten a strategic arms limitation.
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The truth is, Nixon was in negotiations with Brezhnev.
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And Nixon was saying, well, when are we going to meet?
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By the way, I'm going over to see Mao next week.
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We just thought I'd hang out and see how it goes.
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Now, suddenly the Russians decided, no, maybe we should make this deal.
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Now, those, and there are many who I think inaccurately blame Nixon for the fact that today China is a threat to this country.
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They don't understand that when Nixon recognized China, most Chinese had no indoor plumbing.
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There's no way for Nixon to see that 30 years later, Bill Clinton was going to give them most favored nation trading status.
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That is what made them the economic power they are today.
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And he was also going to sell them our top military missile targeting secrets in the Laurel scandal.
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So what I think Trump is seeking to do is return to a day in which we can divide the Russians and the Chinese.
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In fact, with Russia, we at least have one thing in common.
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We both have a severe problem with radical Islam, a problem in their country, a problem in our country.
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We should be working with them against that menace as opposed to working at cross purposes.
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But the neocons, the Bushes, the Cheneys, the usual suspects.
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They're committed to this Russell phobia that really makes no sense at all.
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China blocking the sale from BlackRock, which makes no sense because Panama said they had no control.
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China had no control at all in the Panama Canal.
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Then BlackRock goes down there and says, OK, that's why we're going to buy the canal.
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I think these are separate situations with slightly different dynamics.
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But Trump is not going to allow the Panama Canal to be closed.
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First of all, I think we have to honor the guy who pointed this out first.
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And it would be strategically unwise to turn it over to some dictator who we now know has been completely co-opted by the Chinese.
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Donald Trump will not stand for any blockage of the use of the Panama Canal for either strategic or commercial purposes.
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So, in the end, I think if he has to seize control of the Panama Canal zone, he will.
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But he's not going to let them use that choke point on America.
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Greenland, to me, I had Colonel Douglas McGregor on my show today.
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Who outlined the strategic of importance to it.
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I don't buy this idea that the people in Greenland would much rather be aligned with Denmark all the way on the other side of the world.
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And I think there's legitimate strategic needs there.
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So, again, Trump will try to negotiate a deal, but if he can't get a deal, I think he will move to protect our national security.
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He says that they have, coming up this week, they're going to have tariff deals and trade deals.
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I mean, do you see him, Japan is one of the biggest, which you don't really often hear about Japan, right?
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They're one of the biggest debt holders of American debt.
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Do you think we see one come in and then we see the rest of them just fall in line?
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Argentina now has a deal with the United States.
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Vietnam, I think, was the very first country to open negotiations.
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The key thing here, and you know this, John, is you have to stay the course.
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So anyone who thinks he's going to fold doesn't understand him.
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And those who think they can wait him out are just wrong.
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So, yeah, I do think in the end they all fall into place.
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And even there, I think they know that they should make a deal.
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But they're very hung up on saving face and the way it all looks in the face of the world.
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Yeah, I think Xi Jinping's in a lot of trouble with his people.
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Right now, Xi Jinping is someplace with a copy of the art of the deal trying to figure it out.
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Speaking of, I had Grant Cardone on the other day, a really smart guy, and he had this issue with another guy.
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And Grant goes to the guy, Gary Greca or something.
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And Gary says, whoever does a deal with you, make sure they read the fine print because you are the greatest dealmaker of all time.
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Good friend of yours, Tulsi Gabbard, tells us last week that the election machines are vulnerable.
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I sat through hours of depositions and on and on and on.
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We knew for years that these machines were vulnerable.
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I think it's important, but I think it's just the beginning.
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We have many, many, many questions we want to ask you on your oath.
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You know what the voting machines companies would do at that point?
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So it's just a question of having the fortitude to fight this out.
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I'm sorry, but you just look at it statistically.
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It's not possible for Donald Trump to carry Arizona by that margin
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and have that many voters drop down and vote for a dirtbag for the U.S. Senate.
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A guy who barely has a presence in the state and his reputation is garbage.
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Wisconsin, which now Wisconsin, God bless them, they just went to paper ballots.
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The Democrats were all on board in the show Kill Chain.
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The Democrats won't get robbed and the Republicans won't get robbed.
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Well, Trump has embodied it in an executive order,
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but whether that's going to be carried out remains to be seen.
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Before he switched to the other team, if he was ever on our team,
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Bill Barr gave a great interview with Wolf Butzer,
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and he said these mail-in ballots are an open invitation for fraud.
00:30:09.040
Then when presented by absolute fraud in Pennsylvania by the U.S. attorney in Philadelphia,
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So that's how desperate these people are in their Trump hatred.
00:30:20.180
But I'm sorry, if you want to tell me that Joe Biden did so much better in the African-American community
00:30:27.180
than Barack Obama, a historic figure by anybody's best, that's just not credible.
00:30:36.600
So many stupid people on the right, Roger, are championing this guy as a good man.
00:30:43.660
First of all, I did his very first pilot for Politically Incorrect in New York City.
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I did it as a favor to one of his writers, Frank Gannon,
00:30:52.580
who had worked for President Nixon, was a friend of mine.
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Bill Maher, without a platoon of comedy writers, is not even faintly amusing.
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His head is also much too big for his body, but that's a different question.
00:31:09.140
This guy, when you go on his show, it's very heady.
00:31:15.060
You know, they take you to the old CBS lot in Burbank.
00:31:18.420
A beautiful young page comes out in her uniform.
00:31:21.220
Oh, Mr. Stone, let me take you to your dressing room.
00:31:31.200
He was actually on my international best dress list one year.
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this could be a great show, but I need to warn you about one thing.
00:31:39.280
Whatever you do, don't try to be funnier than Bill.
00:31:49.240
He's actually, he's not even remotely intelligent.
00:31:54.680
And I said to the guy, well, but I'm just, I mean,
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I said, I live by my wits, my uncles, Leibovitz and Markowitz.
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The bottom line of this is the last time I did his show,
00:32:19.740
he accused me of being a traitor of my country.
00:32:21.520
He accused me of being guilty of being a Russian spy.
00:32:24.840
Then he himself subsequently comes out and admits,
00:32:29.200
But he won't invite me back on to clear my name.
00:32:47.580
And I think he may weigh, I don't know, 140 pounds, maybe.
00:32:53.280
Talks like a tough guy, which is sort of interesting.
00:32:59.660
And to me, I thought it was sort of embarrassing for Steve to go to,
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no one would go all the way out there and do his show.
00:33:05.380
But then to sit there and be schooled on the Constitution,
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a man who goes on his show every day and preaches the Constitution,
00:33:10.880
and Bill Maher pulls out a Constitution and reads them the 22nd Amendment,
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single line, no president may serve more than two consecutive terms.
00:33:18.000
And Bannon comes out and says, we have a team working on it.
00:33:20.340
Trump will be on the ballot and sworn back in in January.
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To me, Roger, this gives the Democrats all the ammunition.
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I guess it's for the cliques because, look, I love Donald Trump.
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If he could theoretically serve another term, that'd be great.
00:33:42.560
But I think we both understand the Constitution is very clear.
00:33:45.900
Steve didn't even have the cojones to say, well,
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what we're going to do is have J.D. Vance run for president.
00:33:53.580
Then we're going to have Donald Trump run for vice president.
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Then upon election, Vance would resign and Trump would move up to be president.
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Then because there's a vacancy in the vice presidency,
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he would appoint J.D. Vance to be vice president.
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Does anyone believe that if J.D. Vance became president,
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which would be okay with me, I like J.D. Vance,
00:34:15.940
that he would then resign to step aside for Donald Trump?
00:34:20.940
So Steve is bullshitting, but I think his whole, I mean, look,
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Because he testified to the House Intelligence Committee under oath.
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He was asked by Adam Schiff, did you ever discuss WikiLeaks,
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Julian Assange, or these allegedly stolen emails with Roger Stone?
00:34:45.940
Imagine my shock in my trial in Washington, D.C.,
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When the government's secret witness, dressed all in black,
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kind of like a fat Johnny Cash, sweeps into the courtroom,
00:35:02.440
oh, no, Stone brought it up in every conversation I have with him in 2016.
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In fact, I considered Roger Stone our contact point with WikiLeaks,
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The Bible tells us to forgive those who have trespassed against us.
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It's the hardest thing to do, John, particularly when you're Sicilian.
00:35:23.300
It's hard for me to forgive this, but I have forgiven it, but I have not forgotten it.
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So I think his whole backstory is largely bullshit.
00:35:31.940
No, I don't think he made millions of dollars from Seinfeld.
00:35:36.660
No, did I think he was a genius on Wall Street?
00:35:40.120
He was a very close friend of Jeffrey Epstein's.
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Why would you be hanging with a convicted pedophile?
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This was after the time that Epstein had been convicted in Florida, but prior to the time that he was charged federally.
00:36:00.440
Why would you associate with somebody like this?
00:36:02.860
Now, Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein made a documentary together.
00:36:11.360
Bannon admitted, you can find this online, that he was coaching Epstein for his 60 Minutes interview
00:36:16.560
on how to get through the questions about his involvement with pedophilia.
00:36:20.240
So, I mean, I'll let other people decide, but Jeff, I mean, I think Steve Bannon is like a circus act.
00:36:36.140
You're a man who wasn't in trouble in your life until, in serious trouble, until 2016 when you decided you were going to become a Russian agent, you know?
00:36:45.740
So, but I see Steve Bannon, you know the criminal justice system, you know what a plea deal is, but I see Steve Bannon and this guy, Brian Colfudge,
00:36:53.680
the military vet who's got no legs, who's in jail right now for that build-the-wall scheme,
00:36:58.300
and I see Steve take a plea deal admitting to stealing $2 million and goes to jail for zero days.
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To me, I sit there and I think, how does a man do that?
00:37:10.220
As someone who's been through the process, Roger, how does a man get out of jail time after admitting stealing $2 million?
00:37:17.280
So, his two co-conspirators in this, in ripping off his charity for $15 million and putting it in their pockets, two of them go to prison.
00:37:25.980
Steve gets a pardon from President Trump on that crime, but then he gets re-indicted since he never went to trial,
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unlike me, unlike General Flynn, unlike Paul Manafort.
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He got a preemptive pardon from Trump, and then they re-indicted him in New York.
00:37:41.580
So, I'm thinking, well, this guy's, you know, a New York judge.
00:37:43.940
He's going to be like the two judges who sat on Donald Trump's trials.
00:37:48.300
And then he changes his plea from not guilty to guilty, and the judge in New York gives him zero jail time.
00:38:13.420
Well, that would be a pretty sophisticated guess.
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First of all, it has to be somebody bigger than Steve.
00:38:21.220
We're not talking about weight here, because we're talking about stature.
00:38:25.020
And then there's the other question about his, I don't understand what his problem is with soap and water.
00:38:30.840
I mean, why does this guy look to me like he's chasing down hobos for his wardrobe, or he's dumpster diving?
00:38:39.980
Why can't this guy ever, like, look like he's taking a bath?
00:38:48.500
I don't, things, Lou used to tell me all the time, if it seems too good to be true, lift up the rug, there's probably a mouse under there.
00:38:55.180
The thing that I, and we'll move on from this after this, the thing that I think is so strange about him is he was fired from the White House, okay, and claims he's this huge MAGA guy, but he's sort of persona non grata with President Trump, right?
00:39:09.580
I mean, look, after he was, after he was fired, he said a number of things.
00:39:14.880
The Trump organization was a criminal enterprise.
00:39:19.980
Trump is not a millionaire, not a billionaire, pardon me.
00:39:23.440
And then it's like all those things are erased.
00:39:25.620
You know, I see there's, he had no involvement in the campaign, which is good because it doesn't know anything about elective politics.
00:39:31.500
Those who say, well, he was the manager for Donald Trump's campaign.
00:39:34.240
No, he took the written plan laid out by Paul Manafort, all he did was implement it.
00:39:38.920
So this idea that he was a Wall Street wizard or a Hollywood success or a great political strategist, he knows nothing whatsoever about elective politics.
00:39:47.620
Yeah, that's why I have you on the show once a week.
00:39:50.160
People really enjoy it every time you're on the show.
00:39:52.260
Before we move on, I want to say at the time when it was time for you to go to either jail or to get the pardon, I'll never forget, Lou would call me every night and he's like, we got to help Roger.
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And, you know, I hope, you know, that Lou Dobbs was a part of the reason because, you know, he was, he really cared about you and he was, it was just a travesty, Roger.
00:40:15.260
I think there's no question about, there's about two or three people who are absolutely crucial in, in helping the president understand that I was prosecuted because I refused to roll on him.
00:40:27.060
They didn't store my home at six o'clock in the morning because I did something wrong.
00:40:29.980
They had investigated all their Russian collusion.
00:40:35.940
So they were trying to pressure me into claiming that I was some kind of intermediary between WikiLeaks and Donald Trump, which was a lie.
00:40:42.780
Larry Kudlow, Lou Dobbs, and Tucker Carlson, the three most important figures in convincing the president, Mr. President, please look at this.
00:40:53.580
They're trying to destroy him and his family because he's standing tall for you because he won't be Michael Cohen.
00:41:00.600
I remember very distinctly sitting with these prosecutors and they said, you're going to prison.
00:41:07.780
They said, if you don't cooperate, we're going to hit you with superseding charges.
00:41:17.180
They pushed this piece of paper across to me and they said, all you need to do is sign this.
00:41:22.900
I said, all you need to do is shove that up your ass.
00:41:27.660
So, look, I was a man staring into the abyss and I am grateful to Jesus Christ.
00:41:31.940
I'm grateful to Tucker Carlson and Larry Kudlow and Lou Dobbs.
00:41:35.200
I'm most grateful for Donald Trump just seeing with the big picture what was going on.
00:41:42.560
I was there for phone calls while he was on the phone with the president talking about it because he cared.
00:41:48.100
What they did to so many of you, Papadopoulos, low hanging fruit.
00:41:57.000
But they never, Roger, they never paid the price.
00:41:59.540
None of them ever paid the damn price for everything they've done to these people.
00:42:05.520
Brennan is out doing whatever the hell he wants.
00:42:07.400
Nobody's ever paid the price for the shit that they did to you guys, which is, I mean, reprehensible.
00:42:13.360
And beyond repair, you had to move out of your home.
00:42:22.000
I don't mean that literally, but you're just a small piece of a big picture.
00:42:25.200
I mean, there were so many more Roger Stones who were just getting the shot.
00:42:28.200
Look, I think that, first of all, the Durham thing was a fraud.
00:42:31.260
In other words, Barr said to Durham, you're going to investigate this.
00:42:36.880
Just make sure the statute of limitations have run on anything that you discover.
00:42:40.980
Barr never even investigates the alleged Russian hack of the DNC.
00:42:51.060
Nobody, they never intended to prosecute anybody.
00:42:53.740
Then, as I said earlier, Durham prosecutes this poor schmuck at the very bottom of the totem pole.
00:43:12.300
You could be charged with treason at any time if you're guilty of it.
00:43:19.660
You had mentioned Seth Rich and Lou Dobbs was sued for such.
00:43:22.200
I was talking with Mike Benz about this the other day.
00:43:24.400
Lou Dobbs and Fox News were sued by Seth Rich's family.
00:43:27.720
They settled the day before I think they were going to trial.
00:43:30.140
Simply because Lou Dobbs said Seth Rich was murdered.
00:43:34.500
The family came out and said, well, he wasn't murdered.
00:43:39.600
Ty Clevenger, who happens to be my attorney, has been on the FBI's back about this for years.
00:43:49.920
Seth gets shot in the back of the head, not robbed, right?
00:43:53.100
His brother flies out from Colorado to D.C., picks up his laptop, his work and his personal laptop,
00:44:00.400
Does anybody think, like, that's normal operating procedure for your brother who was just assassinated?
00:44:05.860
No, and we have, we're the videos of the last hours of his life.
00:44:08.780
He's in a bunch of public places where there are security cameras.
00:44:13.900
Anybody would know that at my trial, the FBI was forced to admit that they never inspected the computer servers of the DNC.
00:44:22.580
And that CrowdStrikes, the company that did, which allegedly had evidence of Russian collusion or Russian hacking,
00:44:31.880
admitted before the House Intelligence Committee, they actually had no such proof.
00:44:39.860
When I wanted to bring in Bill Binney, the former counterterrorism IT expert for the CIA,
00:44:47.120
who could have provided expert testimony and forensic evidence that shows that the download times of the material that was stolen from the DNC
00:44:55.020
had to have been downloaded to a portable disk and taken out the back door,
00:44:59.600
well, Judge Jackson, of course, would not allow such testimony because it would blow their whole false narrative wide open.
00:45:04.940
And today, Seth Rich is like the third rail of American politics.
00:45:11.080
But his own father said that his wallet and his watch and his jewelry and his credit cards were all intact.
00:45:21.060
No, because like you said, everybody's litigious about everything and getting sued.
00:45:25.480
But this just goes to the point that we were talking about earlier.
00:45:29.920
A judge ordered that Ty Clevenger be given the laptop.
00:45:32.760
Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, what are you guys doing?
00:45:37.840
Things like this, Roger, that can happen like that are not happening.
00:45:53.320
Edward Snowden, you can argue maybe he was treason in some of the things he did.
00:45:58.060
I happen to think no because he laid out that Americans were being spied on illegally.
00:46:02.620
So, you know, take it for what it's worth on that.
00:46:04.540
But this is something so simple that Pam Bondi and Cash Patel can say, here, Mr. Clevenger, here's the laptop.
00:46:12.580
You have to wonder what other pressures are on them.
00:46:17.480
I've read Cash's book, so he knows the whole story.
00:46:20.460
So, you have to wonder what other pressures are on them.
00:46:32.880
Some of my friends are a little more impatient than I am.
00:46:40.180
Because the midterms come and the Republicans, it doesn't look like, in my opinion, I don't think the Republicans hold the midterms.
00:46:44.840
But you may have a different opinion, just historically.
00:46:52.600
We never had a president who was not a governor, senator, general, or congressman.
00:46:58.260
We never had a guy, other than one Democrat, nobody ever was elected president, cheated out of re-election, then came back.
00:47:09.400
But here he is, back in office and better prepared than he would have been had he rightfully been given the office in 2020.
00:47:17.560
And for those who are ready to just throw in the towel in the house, it's just too early to do that.
00:47:28.000
Last time I bought eggs, Joe Biden was president.
00:47:35.540
It's a little early to throw in the towel on the 2026 elections.
00:47:39.440
Just hypothetically speaking, if they do lose it, right?
00:47:42.200
The investigation starts, the impeachment starts, and he sits lame duck for the next two years.
00:47:49.760
I mean, Mike Johnson's been sitting on his ass doing absolutely nothing.
00:47:53.100
Last week, we finally get something out of him after months.
00:47:55.820
I mean, these guys have got to start moving at record pace.
00:47:59.760
Okay, so they come back in November and campaign season starts where these guys have got to defend their seats.
00:48:15.600
So let's take the example in Florida 14, where Kathy Castor won that seat over Commander Rocky Rockford.
00:48:30.320
When you look at their application to vote, there's no social security number and there's no date of birth.
00:48:35.460
The House Administration Committee is the final arbiter who won that seat.
00:48:42.040
Even the RINOs will vote with you because they want to retain their committee chairhips.
00:48:45.920
We could have picked up a seat there by doing the right thing.
00:48:48.080
Instead, they say, oh, no, he missed some artificial deadline.
00:48:52.440
So if we're going to let more people vote in Orange County, California, two congressional districts,
00:48:57.940
if we're going to let more people vote than are registered to vote, well, then shame on us.
00:49:07.260
Roger, I appreciate you coming and joining us today in the studio.
00:49:10.460
You get the last word here because next week when you're on the show, I'll be back in New York and you'll still be in the free.
00:49:16.480
It's kind of free with high mortgage rates and high insurance rates and high utility rates and high car mortgage rates.
00:49:23.400
But aside from that, it's one of the most beautiful states in the country.
00:49:28.640
First of all, I'm honored that you put on a necktie, which I know you wouldn't have done for anybody.
00:49:34.000
And I would never come to a studio for anybody but you.
00:49:39.220
I still think that America's greatest days lie ahead.
00:49:43.460
I think we're about to enter a golden age, an unprecedented age of peace, prosperity, security, and justice.
00:49:50.260
All we have to do is not become a panicking, not lose our nerve.
00:49:54.160
We have to stick to the plan, stick to the course.
00:49:56.380
And I think that God, who actually ordained our victory in this most recent election, because in many ways it was unlikely, it was improbable.
00:50:04.840
I think God will continue to guide this nation to greatness.
00:50:08.400
And I think he will destroy the demons who have been trying to destroy America.
00:50:12.040
Folks, you heard it from the great Roger Stone.
00:50:13.780
Roger, we'll see you next week back in the great state, well, not so great state of New York.