The Great America Sunday Show： April 21st, 2024
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On this episode of the Great America Show, Lou Dobbs is joined by Lee Smith, a prominent author and journalist who writes for Tablet and other publications, and is working on a new book he s working on, More than a few books at once.
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Hi, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
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Speaker Mike Johnson is now, I think, truly fighting for his life.
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And I have to tell you, I'm not pulling for him.
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I'm thinking that he should move away from the speakership as fast as possible,
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And a lot of people don't understand how we got to this point.
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I don't think anyone in the Republican conference had any significant idea
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of just what an arrogant twit this fellow really is.
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His personal expertise in law, I can't judge, but I can tell you this.
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When it comes to politics, this man is a fraud.
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He's just following orders, and he is nothing like a faith-based conservative
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I mean, the man is a monstrosity of betrayal to the Republican Party,
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and to, in my opinion, to the country, doing exactly what Joe Biden tells him,
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Joe Biden, and, of course, his good friend, Chuck Schumer.
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One and a half trillion dollars spending bill he's all in for,
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despite the conference position that called for quite a different direction
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They wanted to see if we could maybe have hearings on appropriations
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and be able to amend bills and actually take them on one subject, one bill,
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and actually start running the government as the Republican Party would have always,
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It's also the third day of the trial of Donald J. Trump in New York,
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and Jonathan Turley calls it an absurdity, this trial, these charges,
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and what the Marxist Dems in New York are doing to this president.
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I think he most certainly will be our future president as well,
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They have dragged the Constitution through the mud and then set it on fire on other occasions,
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They are absolutely committed to denying the Bill of Rights to the American people,
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A 2,000-mile border, wide open, turned over by Joe Biden to the Mexican drug cartels.
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And no, not a peep, not a concern, expressed anywhere in the national left-wing media, corporate media, for sure.
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And to think that this is what we're doing at this point in our history with about six months to election.
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And I think our great challenge right now is to get to November 5th without a national catastrophe,
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without a war, and at least be able to look forward to January 20th of next year is the day the country resumes leadership
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And Donald J. Trump at the reins will be quite a different,
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it'll make for quite a different atmosphere globally.
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And taking up the issue of Iran, right now we're all waiting, some on tenderhooks.
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I don't happen to be on tenderhooks about whether or not Benjamin Netanyahu will retaliate.
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I'm satisfied that he will, because I don't see any other way in which he could be true to his nature,
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This is a patriot and a man who lives and breathes the welfare, the well-being of Israelis and the nation-state of Israel.
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He writes primarily for Tablet and other publications.
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He's working on, he says, more than a few books at once.
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And if anyone can do a few books at once, it would be Lee Smith.
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Lee, great to have you with us here on our show, the Great America Show.
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Well, I only speak truth, or I try to speak truth.
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I am as worried about the state of the Biden administration as I am about the tensions in the Middle East,
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because apparently this puppet president, mentally impaired, politically compromised,
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and driven by forces that we cannot put a face to beyond Barack Obama, Susan Rice, a few people, Alex Soros.
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But what we don't know is frightening about who is driving this puppet, who are his masters,
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and why in the world suddenly is he talking simultaneously to the Turks, the Iranians,
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as they attack, they, the Iranians, attack the state of Israel directly.
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Well, I think it's fair to say that Joe Biden is implementing the policy directed by his former boss, Barack Obama.
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So I don't think this is any mystery or never mind a conspiracy theory.
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And the point of that was to realign American interest in the Middle East with those of the American,
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So, again, this is what Biden, this is what Joe Biden is doing.
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And then look at all the different former Obama Middle East officials throughout the Biden administration.
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A lot of people are saying, well, Biden is leaning on the Israelis in Gaza because of, because of Michigan,
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This is the base of Barack Obama's Democratic Party.
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It also needs to be said, Lou, as you and I have discussed many times before,
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And this is the, this is, this is part of the purpose of destabilizing.
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As the United States has been destabilized by these same figures, they are also working now to destabilize the Middle East.
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This is a, this is very important because I remember 10 years ago trying to explain the Iran deal to different people.
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Why does he want to legalize their nuclear weapons program?
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I think, Lou, at this point, after Russiagate, after when Barack Obama tasked his spy chiefs to go after his successor, Donald Trump,
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I think after the Biden administration turned counterterrorism tactics on the political opposition,
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after the Biden administration opened up our borders to felons, terrorists, spies,
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I think it's a lot easier to understand right now why Barack Obama would partner with a regime determined to attack the pillars of American peace and prosperity.
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So fundamentally, that's what we're seeing happening in the Middle East.
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But remember, it's the United States that has been since the Cold War, the guarantor of Middle East stability, both in the Persian Gulf and the Eastern Mediterranean.
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So again, while Israel is paying a price for Barack Obama's infatuation with the Islamic Republic,
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the primary target here, Iran's primary target has always been the United States.
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And that's the case with the Obama faction of the Democratic Party.
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And I think that as you lay it out, it's clear as it could possibly be.
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And it's always interesting to me to recall 2008, 2009, as the two terms of Barack Obama began,
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to think back to the amount of constraint in the part of the public, in the public, our politicians, and of course, the national corporate media.
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They were afraid because this was the first black president.
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And I mean, they were very, very, very careful.
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They wouldn't they would walk up to talking about fundamental transformation, as he called for it,
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the fundamental transformation of the United States.
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They would not report it with a vigor that any other president certainly would have would have been the beneficiary of.
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It's it's interesting now with the passage of time.
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People have no problem saying Barack Obama is the the inception of all that we are witnessing under this.
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What some outright call the third term of Barack Obama.
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And by the way, I think there is they're absolutely right as rain.
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And you and I say that, Lou, and our friends and many of our colleagues say that.
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And, of course, a large, a large amount of our neighbors and fellow Americans, especially who vote Republican, will say that as well.
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But unfortunately, I've found and maybe you found the same.
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But still, even on Capitol Hill today, people are afraid.
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Republicans are afraid to to challenge Barack Obama.
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And look, I think, you know, your introduction started by talking about the nominally Republican led Congress.
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I think that House members could have spent the last two years starting investigations, getting documents, trying to secure documents on what happened during the Obama administration.
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Right. If people believe that Obama is as is has used Joe Biden as an avatar, which I think is an accurate description, then one useful thing would have been to get different documentation from the Obama years, both on Russiagate.
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That's something that's something, for instance, that House intelligence chair, Mike Turner, could have spent his time on doing.
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They also could have found all sorts of stuff on the documents on the Iran deal.
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The Obama administration hid documents that the Trump administration tried to uncover.
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Right. These weren't even classified documents.
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These were documents that were unclassified, that they mixed with classified documents to hide them.
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Right. So this could have been an effort to find out if this started with a Barack Obama.
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What happened? What were the different things that Barack Obama put in place so that 10 years, 10 years after Obama or rather 15 years since he started his term?
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Why does America look the way it does right now?
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Unfortunately, Republican House members did not do that.
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But that's why it's important, I think, for us to discuss it and for people to be forthright about what's going on here.
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And we're with the man to have that, Frank, discussion.
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We're coming right back after these quick messages.
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We will be talking about the importance of perspective in all of this and understanding the role of Barack Obama,
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And oh, by the way, I'm going to ask Lee about two guys I think were separated at birth.
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One's name is, well, his name is Mike Gallagher.
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We're talking with Lee Smith about two characters that I want to talk about just real briefly
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before we get to the really important stuff, as it were.
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Mike Gallagher, the head of the CCP committee, select committee, he turned out to be a two-bit lowlife
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with his own, I guess, ethics that are incomprehensible to, I think, anyone else, just about.
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And Mike Turner, who is nothing but a two-bit hack, serves the military-industrial complex
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and those intel chiefs that apparently have something on him.
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Either that or they've got something, they've got a threat that is working against him.
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I mean, these two are, to me, just absolute, I'll use the word, cretins.
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They are sold out in every way you could be, it seems to me.
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Well, let me start with Representative Turner, whom I met while I was reporting the book on Devin Nunes.
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And one of the things that happened, and this is what I really mean to do here,
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is highlight how important it was, what Devin Nunes did, because these committees,
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the intelligence committees, both in the Senate and in the House, right,
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I mean, they send the intelligence services, the CIA, the FBI, DNI,
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they send a whole bunch of people and basically they recruit House members, right?
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So a lot of people talk about how, and it wouldn't surprise me, I'm sure that this is right,
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that there are all sorts of portfolios on House members collected by everyone from FBI to DHS.
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I think the most significant fact, however, again, is that these committees are absolutely
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And so they're pushing it in the direction that they want it.
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And lots of these people who are in these committees and lots of the people who are running
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these committees don't want any friction at all, right?
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They don't want friction with the intelligence services.
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And let's face it, until Devin, before Devin Nunes ran that committee,
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there was no one who was really concerned on the Hill, certainly no Republicans,
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who were concerned, well, I guess we could say Rand Paul,
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but who were concerned with the sorts of things that the FBI was up to.
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So the idea that Chairman Johnson, or rather Chairman Turner, that he pushed for the reauthorization
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of FISA, while disgusting, should not come as that much of a surprise.
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Unfortunately, a lot of people on the Hill, especially on those committees, are not looking
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They're not concerned about our civil liberties.
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And look, if we have people who were lukewarm supporters, if supporters at all, of Donald
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And they don't even care what's happened to Trump supporters.
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And they are scared to death of what he represents, because the American people then, when he walks
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into the Oval Office, the will of the governed, the consent of the governed becomes important
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And this is now suddenly we're a constitutional republic.
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Without his leadership, we don't want to contemplate what this country will be at that moment in
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It will be a tragedy of unimaginable proportions.
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You know, and you said no one should be surprised.
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But I have to say to you, I don't think anybody is ever surprised by the venality, the viciousness,
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So I see this more as a moment in which it's not about surprise.
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An entire party is aligned against not just Donald Trump, by the way.
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We have fifth columns, I think, for the first time, certainly in my lifetime.
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They are active, subverting the government of the United States, our political system.
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And people don't don't even whisper China, the PRC, CCP, Russia, Iran, Hamas, all of the
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Everyone is sort of gathering at this wonderful sort of, I guess, beachhead, 2,000 miles across
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But now it's the Mexican drug cartel border brought to you by Joe Biden.
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I mean, this is hardly a time for anyone to be surprised because we are we have thrown our
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gates wide open and said to every barbarian, come on in.
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Look, I mean, this this Lou, I think very often and I'm not just I'm not just flattering
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you, but I think very often about our conversations here.
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And one of the conversations that really that really struck me was you you got a little frustrated
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with me at one point when I was talking about our God given rights.
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And you said, God given rights, I'm tired of hearing about that.
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And so first, when you were saying that without a Donald Trump victory, we'll be in a very
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But again, Americans will have to fight whether or not Donald Trump is elected president.
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And when we're talking about our borders being open again, this puts Americans what they've
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done is they've brought us back to the frontier, right?
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This was a country settled by very hard men and women.
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And so they they've brought us back to the frontier.
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And again, it will be up to Americans to to defend themselves, to defend their families,
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And so I'm just saying, I don't I don't I don't despair and I don't think that Americans
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As for what you were saying about, as what we were talking about with Representative Turner,
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What shocks me about all of this is you figure even if these people didn't care, our elected
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officials didn't care about representing their constituents, whether these are, you know,
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congressional districts or whether these are the states represented by senators or whether
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it's the whether it's the president of the United States, even though they even if they
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didn't care about their constituents, you would think they would have a little personal
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So when the Biden administration says just decides to leave the border open and endanger American
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citizens, you would think that people on our side, people elected elected by Republicans
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On on my watch, you're going to try to open up the border.
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And look, I would have liked an impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas, but I think there could
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I mean, not measures put in place, but much harder language coming from the Hill.
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I know that if we start issuing criminal referrals to Joe Biden's DOJ, nothing is going to be
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You've betrayed this country and you're in big trouble next time we get a Republican
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attorney general because you will be referred then and you will be paying a serious penalty
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for what you've done to it, for what you've done.
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Again, take it personally for what you've done to me on my watch.
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That's what surprises me, that none of these guys have any personal honor at all.
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Four border states, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.
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Only one governor with the guts to put his Department of Public Safety, state troopers,
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the state military, the National Guard on the border to stop it.
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And Greg Abbott knows he can't stop it, but he can, by golly, slow it down.
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And I wonder why this country is tolerating those other three governors and their pathetic
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attitude as this country is being invaded across their borders with Mexico.
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And I'd like to go back to Mike Gallagher and Mike Turner.
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But, you know, I've had about all of my stomach can take when I think of those two treasonous
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We're talking with Lee Smith, and it's a grand talk it is.
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I want to turn to these issues that, you know, the CCP committee seemingly toyed with, but
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nothing really happened, as is often the case on the Hill.
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Well, your thoughts about how is it after, well, it's five years since President Trump
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said he was getting rid of TikTok, and here they are.
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And the discussion goes on, but they're still here doing their job, gathering data on everyone
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from children to whoever else wants to be involved, and sending it back to the CCP.
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Well, and also, I mean, I think even more importantly, it's the AI, as people have explained to me,
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As people have explained to me, the AI component shapes different, I guess the fancy word is
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And that really poisons the American public sphere.
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So when we talk about social media and when people talk about First Amendment, it's useful
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to see TikTok, rather, as a propaganda instrument of the Chinese Communist Party.
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It also so happens, however, that TikTok is a very important Democratic Party platform, messaging
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That's one of the reasons why the Biden administration has used so many TikTok influencers.
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So I think it's in that context that we need to understand this TikTok bill that's caused
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I think that the main purpose here is not to ban TikTok and not to give Biden control over
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big tech, because as we know, the Democrats already control big tech.
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So the idea that they're going to get more control over big tech is kind of absurd.
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Now, I think the purpose of the TikTok bill is to be able to clear it, move it away from
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the CCP, get it in different hands so that political donors, the donor class that has invested
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in TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, there are billions and billions of dollars invested
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in ByteDance. I think the reason for the TikTok bill is to be able to give Joe Biden the ability
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to get his donors paid. That's what it is, right? It's not to shut down free speech.
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I happen to think that TikTok has a broader canvas than that. They are at once gathering data on
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American citizens. They are influencing certainly children. And as you say, the Democratic Party
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has another, I guess it wouldn't be unfair to call it another Facebook. They're using, and Meta,
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they are using everything available to them. Did I mention Google? We have a Silicon Valley filled
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with Democrat donors. And they're pouring money in at this very moment. They've influenced,
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this will be their third go around for a presidential election. They will be trying to influence the
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outcome. And it's very important that TikTok, to me, I want it shut down. I don't want Steve
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Mnuchin or whoever wants it to buy it. I want to shut down because it is a, frankly, there's just
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too much evil that has been. Oh, I agree. I totally agree. I want it shut down. All I'm saying is the
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purpose of this bill is not to shut it down. It's to get donors paid. As far as shutting down a CCP
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propaganda instrument, agree 100 percent, Lou. And not just a Democratic Party propaganda instrument,
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but also a platform for Democratic parties to transfer more wealth out of the United States
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to Beijing. Again, another reason to see that thing shut down.
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And also because it's a peddler of licentious video and an assault on not only the senses, but
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the character of our young people. It's disgusting. By the way, so much of media,
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I'm not going to say that that's the only channel where we have to worry about that.
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Who wrote that bill? Who was prominent in that legislation on TikTok?
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Well, I mean, Representative Gallagher was part of that, and he was working on that with Biden's,
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I believe, Biden's Deputy Attorney General, Lisa Monica, who, of course, has been involved in so
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many destructive, destructive campaigns against against Donald Trump and Donald Trump supporters
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and and and the country as a whole. Right. I will. I will say I will. Sure. Go ahead.
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Well, I agree with you about I agree with you about social media generally. I will say I last week
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there was a party at Mar-a-Lago for Truth Social, which is, you know, which is what was started by
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Donald Trump. And now the CEO is Devin Nunez. I didn't get invited. I wasn't invited.
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I didn't know. Now they're going to know. Now they're going to get what for. I'll tell them.
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All right. Thanks. And and so, you know, I really think I'm writing on Truth Social. This is one of
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the things that I'm writing about and I'm writing about some of the communications wars that we've
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seen here over the last decade. But I'll say Truth Social really is really is very interesting. It's
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not just a it's not just a Twitter knockoff or something for the right. I mean, you know,
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there's some bad actors on Truth Social, but it's also it's also very moving. And I believe that
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Truth Social and Donald Trump has been has been putting this on Truth Social. But I really
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believe that it is a pro-America, a pro-America social media platform. It's not just about
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politics. It's a it's a terrific place. And and I know I think that you and I wanted to talk about
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about Devin Nunez, who's now the CEO of Truth Social. Listen to Lee Smith. He's producing that. All right.
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He's he thought the old guy probably won't remember. No, no, I just thought, yeah,
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let's move right into it. Because I said he was my first choice from the first moment that
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that President Trump started talking about the vice president. He just he's a natural to me.
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He's he's principled. He is talented. He's bright. He's experienced. And by the way,
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he is America first and Donald Trump all the way.
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Well, there's something else, too. I agree with all of those. And, you know, ever since I wrote Plot
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Against the President and it's it's really about, you know, Devin Nunez investigation,
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exposing, uncovering the biggest political scandal in U.S. history. And so I know, you know, I know him
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pretty well now. And the other the other thing about him is, is that he likes to fight. And by which,
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I mean, I've said that, I said, like, yeah, you like to fight. It's like, I don't like to fight.
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I said, I don't mean that you like to go up and punch, punch. Right. I said, I don't mean that
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you like to fight. Right. Yeah, exactly. Why are you arguing with me? I'm complimenting you. See,
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you're fighting. But I mean, look what these guys have gone through with truth. Social. It's I mean,
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everyone dug in against them. The Biden's SEC, DOJ, all these people were going after them. But again,
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they manage the merger. It's one of the most complicated and difficult IPOs of all time.
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So as with Russiagate and as with other things, Devin Nunez is a fighter. We see Donald Trump and
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Donald Trump is just I mean, he's he's a marvel. He's a specimen. Right. Fight. You know, he's he's
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in the arena. Right. He's in the arena. People talk about being in the arena. That guy never leaves
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the arena. Right. So he'll make an arena if he doesn't have it. Exactly. He's a walking arena.
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If you could give us your concluding thoughts as we wrap up here on Devin Nunez, because I think
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you're right. I think he would be magnificent. Well, I heard people talking about it. I've heard
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different, you know, people on social media talking about it. And I'm interested that you
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that was your first choice. But yeah, I think so, too. I mean, he he knows Washington. He knows
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he knows all the different fora from which Donald Trump is being attacked. And as I said, one of the
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most important things is Donald Trump has to have people at his back who don't just know things,
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but who will fight alongside Donald Trump. And that's look, there are lots of others, too.
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There's Kash Patel. There's Richard Grinnell. There's a whole bunch of people who know how to
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fight how to fight for America against the deep state. But Devin Nunez, I mean, that guy's at the
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top of the list. So, yeah, I certainly see. I hadn't thought about it. I hadn't thought about it.
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But then I started seeing it again on social media. I'm like, yeah, actually, that'd be really
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great. They have Devin Nunez, who's Donald Trump's VP. Let me ask a question. Was Devin
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a subject of conversation at that Mar-a-Lago gala that I wasn't invited to?
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I'm just kidding. Anyway, I'm just delighted always to talk with you. And thanks for being here.
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We covered a lot of ground and I just appreciate your intellect, your insight. And God bless you,
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my friend. Thank you so much, Luke. God bless you, too.
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Lee Smith, a great American, great, great journalist, remarkable fellow. We appreciate
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you being with us here today. Thanks so much. And please join us tomorrow. Same time or a
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different time. We're easy to we're easy to get along with. Thanks so much for being with