The Great America Show - The Great America Sunday Show： April 28th, 2024

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00:00:33.580 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:36.760 Great to have you with us.

00:00:37.960 President Trump back before the Marxist Dem Judge Juan Merchant Tuesday

00:00:43.120 where he sat for a contempt of court hearing.

00:00:46.600 Prosecutors last week filing a nasty motion to hold President Trump in contempt of court

00:00:52.020 for violating Judge Merchant's expanded gag order,

00:00:56.100 which barred President Trump from criticizing Merchant himself

00:00:59.900 and his highly conflicted family members.

00:01:03.640 Merchant said that he's going to wait, though,

00:01:05.800 to rule on whether he's going to be a tough guy with President Trump,

00:01:10.500 asserting that Trump had violated the gag order.

00:01:13.920 It's unclear when he'll actually issue any kind of ruling.

00:01:17.860 Now, I think that's the first smart thing I've seen Merchant do.

00:01:20.720 Trump not having any part of this Marxist judge's violation of his First Amendment rights,

00:01:27.120 tweeting the following while the court was on lunch break.

00:01:31.040 The highly conflicted, to put it mildly, Judge Juan Merchant, the president said,

00:01:36.360 has taken away my constitutional rights to free speech.

00:01:39.960 Everybody's allowed to talk and lie about me, but I'm not allowed to defend myself.

00:01:45.060 This is a kangaroo court, and the judge should recuse himself.

00:01:48.840 Well, there you have it.

00:01:51.080 And the Hamas sympathizers, who've been taking over college campuses,

00:01:55.220 particularly in the Ivy League, pushing their anti-Semitism,

00:01:59.380 their anti-Israeli bull.

00:02:01.740 They continued their demonstrations this week.

00:02:04.220 In New York, they've now taken over two college campuses,

00:02:07.720 NYU and Columbia University.

00:02:09.800 And at Columbia, the president of the school has suddenly decided on,

00:02:16.100 well, there won't be any person in classes for the rest of this semester.

00:02:21.240 In other words, students who want to learn are now paying the price for a university

00:02:25.160 that is openly allowing bigotry, anti-Semitism, anti-Israeli protests on campus.

00:02:33.000 Imagine paying more than $70,000 for your kid to go to an Ivy League school online.

00:02:39.820 President Trump had a few words to say about the ongoing situation.

00:02:44.300 President Trump saying these Hamas demonstrations are all happening

00:02:48.220 because Joe Biden enables them

00:02:51.000 and doesn't even know where he stands on the Hamas-Israeli war.

00:02:56.060 Take a listen to President Trump.

00:02:57.960 When you get out of the road, what's going on at the college level

00:03:01.580 and the colleges, Columbia, NYU and others, is a disgrace.

00:03:07.620 And it's really on Biden.

00:03:09.800 He has the wrong signal.

00:03:10.960 He's got the wrong tone.

00:03:11.980 He's got the wrong words.

00:03:13.040 He doesn't know who he's backing.

00:03:15.180 And it's a mess.

00:03:17.020 And if this were me, he'd be after me.

00:03:20.880 He'd be after me so much.

00:03:22.120 But they're trying to give him a pass.

00:03:23.940 But what's going on is a disgrace to our country.

00:03:27.080 And it's all Biden's fault.

00:03:29.240 And everybody knows that he's got no message.

00:03:31.880 He's got no compassion.

00:03:33.520 He doesn't know what he's doing.

00:03:35.240 He can't put two sentences together, frankly. 0.61

00:03:37.680 He is the worst president in the history of our country. 0.82

00:03:41.220 And again, what's going on is a disgrace. 0.94

00:03:43.880 And that's interesting outside.

00:03:46.000 For great Americans, people that want to come down

00:03:48.500 and they want to protest at the court

00:03:50.180 and they want to protest peacefully,

00:03:53.260 we have more police presidents here than anyone's ever seen.

00:03:56.000 For blocks, you can't get near this court house.

00:03:58.840 And yet you have nobody up in a college

00:04:00.840 where you have very radical people

00:04:04.300 wanting to rip the colleges down,

00:04:06.420 the universities down.

00:04:08.120 And that's a shame.

00:04:09.540 But it all starts with Joe Biden.

00:04:11.320 The signals he puts out are so bad.

00:04:14.060 And I can tell you, he's no friend of Israel.

00:04:16.320 That's for sure.

00:04:17.060 And he's no friend of the Arab world in the world.

00:04:20.040 You take a look at what he said.

00:04:22.400 He's no friend of...

00:04:23.840 He doesn't know what to do.

00:04:25.920 He doesn't know what to do.

00:04:27.060 He wants to take like a middle ground.

00:04:28.920 And oftentimes that doesn't work.

00:04:30.600 But it's certainly not working here.

00:04:32.080 But what he's done to Israel is abandon them.

00:04:36.840 And he's trying to be as nice as he can to the other side.

00:04:41.460 Call it the Arab world. 1.00

00:04:43.060 But that's not working either because they get him. 1.00

00:04:45.900 And he's an incompetent man. 0.94

00:04:47.820 A peace will never happen with a guy like this. 0.98

00:04:50.520 Thank you very much.

00:04:51.200 And our guest today is author, journalist, Naomi Wolf.

00:04:55.000 Naomi has a new book out called Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a New Dark Age.

00:05:02.080 We recommend it to you highly, of course.

00:05:04.400 And here now is Naomi Wolf.

00:05:06.280 And the book is Facing the Beast.

00:05:09.440 And I've got to add the subtitle, Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a New Dark Age.

00:05:16.800 I mean, that's a compelling title.

00:05:19.540 I know it's a compelling book.

00:05:22.000 So let's start with this dark age and the beast.

00:05:28.120 Give us what is the beast and how dark is this age?

00:05:33.420 Yeah.

00:05:33.780 Well, these are fair questions.

00:05:35.500 So the beast has, you know, like any good metaphor, multiple layers of meaning.

00:05:41.980 In the book, the chapter that, you know, from which that title is drawn, it's an actual bear in our yard that really happened.

00:05:52.680 We moved to upstate New York at the start of the pandemic because my husband and I both knew that what we were seeing around us in terms of the closures and the kind of draconian suspensions of civil liberties meant that something very bad.

00:06:10.320 And geopolitically was happening and about to happen.

00:06:13.240 So in the middle of the woods, one day this bear just showed up and started encircling the house while I was upstairs hiding in the bathroom with a BB gun because I grabbed the wrong gun.

00:06:25.520 I barely know how to shoot a real gun.

00:06:27.320 I'm trying to learn.

00:06:27.920 But the metaphor there is that the bear had gotten more and more comfortable because we had not done anything to deter it.

00:06:35.140 And then finally, we had this monster in our backyard that was trying to break it and, you know, menace me.

00:06:41.500 And this is a metaphor in that essay that stood for how comfortable we've become with the role of China.

00:06:46.780 China, not seeing it as a threat, while China has been waging war on us in the way that it has traditionally waged war, which is not with bullets, not with a visible invasion, but buying up our ports, buying up our water resources, buying up our farmland, institutional corruption, elite capture, regulatory capture. 0.55

00:07:09.540 And in that chapter, I'm revealing that my original research found that the mRNA injections, whose devastating effects are a theme of the book because of the work of the 3,250 doctors and scientists that my site oversees and reading through the Pfizer documents released under court order.

00:07:32.920 I found that the IP and the IP and the manufacturing, the distribution was in an MOU with China.

00:07:42.400 So basically, our worst adversaries who want us gone, dead, diminished, vanquished, were manufacturing, distributing this injection that this team of doctors and scientists that Amy Kelly and I, my COO, oversaw or oversee, were finding had caused catastrophic.

00:08:02.920 catastrophic levels of murder, catastrophic levels of murder, disabling injuries, neurological injuries, strokes, heart attacks, and massive levels of sterilization of the next, you know, making it more difficult for us to kind of replace ourselves in the next generation.

00:08:18.860 So that also is the beast.

00:08:20.860 And then lastly, the beast is, you know, metaphysical in the sense that by the end of the book, I've kind of concluded that the evil that we saw unleashed on the world in 2020, I couldn't explain it in any normal political human history.

00:08:40.040 It was too massive, too coordinated, too impressive, too impressive, too impeccable, you know, all these leaders saying the same things in lockstep.

00:08:50.160 And so I kind of reluctantly concluded there really was such thing as, you know, these metaphysical dark forces that kind of returned to the earth in my analysis, drawing on someone else's work.

00:09:05.220 And so that's the beast. And so that's the beast. And then, you know, the last layer of the beast is there's also a theme of how

00:09:12.500 civilized civilized people overnight agreed to create a discrimination society and the ugliest part of people's willingness to exclude and diminish and otherize, you know, the unvaccinated in this case, but it could be the Jews or African Americans or, you know, gay people or, you know, whatever, whoever you want to exclude, right?

00:09:36.200 People who thought they were very tolerant and egalitarian were very happy to allow the ugliest kind of Jim Crow type laws to be real reestablished overnight in America. 0.92

00:09:51.040 So that, too, is the beast. Like what they see in the mirror is the worst of human human behavior toward other humans.

00:09:58.820 So those are all the beast.

00:10:01.080 They're all the beast, as you say, metaphysical in terms of the expansive symbols that are, you know, that are evoked here.

00:10:14.040 When you talk about you as a longtime liberal, progressive, a, you know, a lefty, suddenly you're looking at all of your friends, many of them and associates in New York primarily.

00:10:33.860 And you suddenly find out that they're not quite as tolerant as you thought they were.

00:10:42.200 And they're suddenly, and by the way, all of us are discovering we knew that, you know, on the right, people who are conservative really didn't like them, but didn't really hate them.

00:10:56.260 I didn't have any desire to run them to ground or, or, and even in the, in the sense of Donald Trump, 2016, he wins in the rallies, they're chanting, lock her up, referring, of course, to Hillary Clinton.

00:11:10.980 And you can see the president, Blanche, cringe at the very thought.

00:11:17.160 And he decided upon being president, not to prosecute her, even though she was clearly guilty of a number of felonies and acts against the interests of the United States.

00:11:28.440 I mean, it would have been entirely rational and some would argue still entirely appropriate.

00:11:34.680 But then to see him as he steps out as this former president, and all of a sudden they've got, they are after blood, they want him imprisoned.

00:11:48.200 And now Benny Thompson, the head of the J6 committee, he wants him killed.

00:11:53.060 He wants to eliminate his Secret Service protection.

00:11:56.660 This is ignorance of a level that I never dreamed we'd see, period.

00:12:01.460 But certainly in this moment to see this happening, our children, every one of us watching this, there is no such thing as tolerance on the part of the left.

00:12:14.620 Well, that's, unfortunately, that's true for the most part.

00:12:19.220 I mean, obviously, you know, people on the left who are rank and file, there are many good people still who are horrified at what the leaders of the left and the leadership of the left and the policies of the left have become.

00:12:36.440 But they're not very vocal, you know, because they're afraid of being canceled.

00:12:39.600 So, I mean, I have a beloved relative and I'm going to go visit her.

00:12:45.680 And I, you know, I was just on some major conservative personality shows and she asked me not to mention that, you know, because she doesn't want to be ousted by her little network of other liberals.

00:13:01.800 And it's like, that's not, that's not the kind of liberals, that's not the liberalism that I was proud of being, you know, that was open-minded and engaged in open debate and free speech and respected that people had differences in opinions.

00:13:17.860 That's a just really totalitarian version of liberalism that's really not liberalism anymore.

00:13:23.840 It's Marxism.

00:13:25.620 It really is.

00:13:26.380 That's not an overstatement.

00:13:27.440 So, yeah, we're in a bad time.

00:13:31.020 That said, you know, as I always say at these moments, Mr. Dobbs, partisanship is never going to save us because look what happened in Congress.

00:13:39.760 You know, both the Republicans and the Democrats in Congress were waving Ukrainian flags treasonously in our sacred civic space after sending billions of our tax dollars to a country that isn't a democracy, you know, and meanwhile, veterans are waiting six months to get treated for PTSD. 0.76

00:14:06.000 I mean, it's not a left versus right corruption right now, although the left is particularly egregious.

00:14:13.520 It really is kind of populist, patriotic nationalists realizing that genocidal maniacs who are elites are really trying to enslave and injure them.

00:14:29.480 And this comes from this transcends partisanship.

00:14:34.260 We're talking with Naomi Wolf facing the beast as she puts a courage, faith and resistance at a new dark age.

00:14:43.440 And we're starting to get a sense of just how dark.

00:14:46.920 We'll be right back with Naomi Wolf and facing the beast. 0.94

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00:16:29.380 We're back with Naomi Wolf and the book is Facing the Beast and Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a New Dark Age.

00:16:37.420 Naomi, I just want to understand, you're no longer a liberal.

00:16:43.300 You're not, you still want to hold on to some of the, it seems to me, this is my analysis from afar.

00:16:52.620 You still want to hang on to some elements of being what a, being a liberal meant some years ago.

00:17:00.960 None of that is left.

00:17:02.180 There is none of that.

00:17:04.240 You referred to it, there's a totalitarian streak now on the left, whether it be Barack Obama.

00:17:10.720 No president had ever, ever gone after journalists the way his administration did.

00:17:16.900 No administration had ever dealt directly and legitimized Iran as he did.

00:17:22.340 And has, he's institutionalized that legitimacy that he sought.

00:17:28.360 And this president, Biden, has just completely embraced it without knowing anything about what to do when suddenly missiles and rockets and drones are flying toward their targets in Israel.

00:17:45.500 Yeah.

00:17:45.720 This is a new time and it is much darker, isn't it?

00:17:49.500 It is.

00:17:50.380 I mean, this issue of who suppresses liberty.

00:17:57.080 I mean, first of all, I just want to say for the record, I do still think of myself as a liberal, but, but I'm one of like three people left on the planet who are classical 19th century liberals.

00:18:06.680 Because in that time it meant, you know, as I said, civil rights, equal rights, rule of law, First Amendment, freedom of speech, you know, so I do want to cling to that label.

00:18:21.180 But I am an independent, I did walk away from the Democrats, just like I haven't embraced the Republicans.

00:18:27.760 But, you know, this may be annoying, Mr. Dobbs, but I will always, at a moment like this, say, yes, Obama was a catastrophe in terms of civil liberties.

00:18:38.140 I was one of the few journalists, maybe the only American journalist I know, to go to Guantanamo six months into his administration.

00:18:45.700 He had promised, as a campaign promised, to close Guantanamo.

00:18:49.320 And when I was there, they were building it up massively, building it up.

00:18:52.660 He had no intention of closing it.

00:18:54.320 He was the guy who droned American citizens. 0.88

00:18:57.240 He was the first president with a kill list.

00:18:59.340 I could go on and on, and I remember how frustrating it was that, even at that time, liberals didn't want to hear my warnings about that because he was our guy, right?

00:19:08.340 And liberals do have this blind spot that we're good people, so we can't ever do anything that's bad, right?

00:19:16.300 And there's Barack Obama with a kill list.

00:19:19.000 And, you know, it was under his administration that the National Defense Authorization Act was extended that allowed the president to keep journalists or anyone without charge of trial indefinitely, which most Americans don't know.

00:19:35.920 But who set the stage for that was George Bush, Jr.

00:19:39.520 And in the wake of 9-11 and, you know, with the launch of the global war on terror, that's when the surveillance state really got firmly established.

00:19:50.580 That's when people began to be detained, you know, unduly, without due process.

00:19:57.700 That's when there were people who are critics of the administration were called subversives or extremists.

00:20:07.200 Because, I mean, no one's pure in this.

00:20:11.580 We've really got to understand, whatever our views are, that it's a party's not going to save us.

00:20:18.260 We have to save ourselves.

00:20:19.180 And our founders knew that, right?

00:20:21.060 They set it up so that it is we who are supposed to impeach, get rid of, prosecute our leaders when they stop defending our liberties.

00:20:32.720 That's in our founding documents.

00:20:34.680 So I just I want to agree with you that Obama was a nightmare.

00:20:39.000 But I will always annoyingly point out that it's it's, you know, history shows that totalitarians on the left and fascists on the right take the same steps to suppress liberties.

00:20:51.560 And yeah, if you give them a chance, they'll do it.

00:20:55.700 Well, honestly, you can't offend me or worry about whether or not I would resent you bringing up George Bush, because I was blackballed over my career by two White Houses.

00:21:08.640 One and all of them from 2000 to 2000.

00:21:12.460 The two presidents of the 2000 decade.

00:21:15.760 And that was George Bush, blackballed me, because I insisted that that he named the enemy radical Islamist rather than terror.

00:21:23.640 And and Barack Obama, because I insisted on actually securing our borders, actually maintaining a lawful immigration regime and insisting that we call them what they are.

00:21:40.460 Legally, the term is illegal alien and a few other offenses against the the administration.

00:21:47.580 How prescient, how prescient both those positions seem now.

00:21:51.620 Well, you know, I you know, I it seemed obvious, frankly, to me at the time.

00:21:56.260 And and I think it did to many people.

00:21:58.580 You didn't speak out on the issue.

00:22:00.620 But the reality is that there's no we've been dealing with a deep state for a very long time.

00:22:08.380 The Patriot Act that you refer to with George Bush's administration.

00:22:13.080 I mean, that is the foundation of the surveillance state that we have today.

00:22:17.100 But its antecedents are long ago.

00:22:20.600 You couldn't even begin to think that the Pentagon Papers would be released by The Times or The Post if indeed they had the strictures that we do now.

00:22:31.900 And that should sober everyone up quickly.

00:22:35.500 But this goes back many decades.

00:22:37.440 And people don't want to admit that our government lied to them from the 50s on, particularly the CIA, about what was Vietnam and that sad, tragic course that had followed. 0.86

00:22:49.900 But it was pure deceit on the part of the government, a deceit that I think is still well in place and invigorated.

00:22:57.640 Your thoughts?

00:22:59.240 I mean, sadly, I agree with you.

00:23:00.760 I actually thought you were going to go back to I was braced for it that you were going to go back to President Lincoln in suspending habeas corpus during the Civil War.

00:23:10.540 And, you know, then fast forward.

00:23:13.540 Most people it's been so erased from history.

00:23:15.960 Most people don't know.

00:23:16.920 I didn't know until I was, you know, well past when I should have learned about it, that there was a coup attempt in the in the in the 40s, I believe, by a group of very respected American businessmen who admired what was going on.

00:23:35.320 Perhaps it was the 30s.

00:23:36.360 I may have my decade wrong, but Smedley Butler exposed it.

00:23:40.060 And they admired Mussolini.

00:23:42.380 They admired Hitler. 0.92

00:23:43.460 They thought that was all great.

00:23:44.660 And they wanted to see something similar in the United States.

00:23:47.100 So I totally agree with you.

00:23:50.420 You know, I think we're in a time and it relates to themes in the book when the scales are really falling from our eyes.

00:23:55.940 And, you know, I miss the pre-2020 time when I believed that even though there were some bad apples, most journalists were trying to tell the truth.

00:24:06.660 Right.

00:24:07.040 The Washington Post and The New York Times were trying to do a first a reasonable first draft of history.

00:24:12.360 I believe that, you know, sure, there was corruption, but most of our institutions were solid.

00:24:18.160 Our hospitals wouldn't try to murder people. 0.82

00:24:20.520 Our schools wouldn't be abusing children.

00:24:22.420 And then all of that got inverted in 2020 and, you know, to the present.

00:24:28.200 And I really do think we're in a time this relates to the metaphysical nature of the time we're in, where literally all around us, history we thought we knew turns out to be a sham.

00:24:39.060 Right.

00:24:39.560 We see the erasure of history happening before our eyes right now and the reinscribing of new false histories, you know, happening in real time.

00:24:48.060 And we see that we can't trust the science.

00:24:51.240 We can't trust our doctors.

00:24:52.800 We can't trust our hospitals.

00:24:54.600 We can't trust the schools wanted to suffocate our children and keep them from learning language and, you know, remotely educate them because they've been bribed, you know, on and on and on.

00:25:03.540 The corruption is endless.

00:25:04.520 So, yeah, it's not new, but I do think we're we're seeing the depth of it in a uniquely transparent way right now for reasons I can't explain in normal terms.

00:25:19.060 We are a nation now in great duress, distress.

00:25:25.820 We are a nation that is at a historical point.

00:25:30.740 You know, the easy statement is it's an inflection point.

00:25:35.140 We don't know what this is, but we do know that we've been destabilized as a society and a nation to such an extent that Barack Obama can, with his Marxist friends, brag about achieving what he intended.

00:25:52.240 And that was, as he announced, the fundamental transformation of America.

00:25:56.700 We just have to be sure that we can find some constraint against how far that that transformation goes, fundamental or otherwise.

00:26:06.840 Naomi Wolf, thank you for being with us here.

00:26:09.000 And her book is a wondrous read.

00:26:11.640 We recommend it to you, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in This New Dark Age.

00:26:19.660 And I hope to have you back soon.

00:26:22.200 We're we're out of time.

00:26:24.260 And and I always hate that part of our discussion so much.

00:26:29.820 Thank you, Mr. Dobbs.

00:26:30.780 Thanks for having me on.

00:26:31.760 Take care.

00:26:32.500 Thanks to Naomi Wolf.

00:26:34.120 And remember, Facing the Beast, her new book.

00:26:36.820 And we recommend it highly.

00:26:39.120 Thank you for being with us today.

00:26:40.580 Be sure to join us tomorrow for The Great America Show.

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00:26:58.220 Thanks, everybody.

00:26:59.100 God bless you.

00:26:59.780 And may God bless America.

The Great America Show - April 28, 2024

The Great America Sunday Show： April 28th, 2024

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