In this episode, President Trump responds to Judge Juan Merchant's expanded gag order barring him from criticizing himself and his highly conflicted family members. He also takes aim at the "Hamas sympathizers" who have taken over two Ivy League campuses, NYU and Columbia University.
00:05:35.500So the beast has, you know, like any good metaphor, multiple layers of meaning.
00:05:41.980In the book, the chapter that, you know, from which that title is drawn, it's an actual bear in our yard that really happened.
00:05:52.680We moved to upstate New York at the start of the pandemic because my husband and I both knew that what we were seeing around us in terms of the closures and the kind of draconian suspensions of civil liberties meant that something very bad.
00:06:10.320And geopolitically was happening and about to happen.
00:06:13.240So in the middle of the woods, one day this bear just showed up and started encircling the house while I was upstairs hiding in the bathroom with a BB gun because I grabbed the wrong gun.
00:06:25.520I barely know how to shoot a real gun.
00:06:27.920But the metaphor there is that the bear had gotten more and more comfortable because we had not done anything to deter it.
00:06:35.140And then finally, we had this monster in our backyard that was trying to break it and, you know, menace me.
00:06:41.500And this is a metaphor in that essay that stood for how comfortable we've become with the role of China.
00:06:46.780China, not seeing it as a threat, while China has been waging war on us in the way that it has traditionally waged war, which is not with bullets, not with a visible invasion, but buying up our ports, buying up our water resources, buying up our farmland, institutional corruption, elite capture, regulatory capture.
00:07:09.540And in that chapter, I'm revealing that my original research found that the mRNA injections, whose devastating effects are a theme of the book because of the work of the 3,250 doctors and scientists that my site oversees and reading through the Pfizer documents released under court order.
00:07:32.920I found that the IP and the IP and the manufacturing, the distribution was in an MOU with China.
00:07:42.400So basically, our worst adversaries who want us gone, dead, diminished, vanquished, were manufacturing, distributing this injection that this team of doctors and scientists that Amy Kelly and I, my COO, oversaw or oversee, were finding had caused catastrophic.
00:08:02.920catastrophic levels of murder, catastrophic levels of murder, disabling injuries, neurological injuries, strokes, heart attacks, and massive levels of sterilization of the next, you know, making it more difficult for us to kind of replace ourselves in the next generation.
00:08:20.860And then lastly, the beast is, you know, metaphysical in the sense that by the end of the book, I've kind of concluded that the evil that we saw unleashed on the world in 2020, I couldn't explain it in any normal political human history.
00:08:40.040It was too massive, too coordinated, too impressive, too impressive, too impeccable, you know, all these leaders saying the same things in lockstep.
00:08:50.160And so I kind of reluctantly concluded there really was such thing as, you know, these metaphysical dark forces that kind of returned to the earth in my analysis, drawing on someone else's work.
00:09:05.220And so that's the beast. And so that's the beast. And then, you know, the last layer of the beast is there's also a theme of how
00:09:12.500civilized civilized people overnight agreed to create a discrimination society and the ugliest part of people's willingness to exclude and diminish and otherize, you know, the unvaccinated in this case, but it could be the Jews or African Americans or, you know, gay people or, you know, whatever, whoever you want to exclude, right?
00:09:36.200People who thought they were very tolerant and egalitarian were very happy to allow the ugliest kind of Jim Crow type laws to be real reestablished overnight in America.
00:09:51.040So that, too, is the beast. Like what they see in the mirror is the worst of human human behavior toward other humans.
00:10:01.080They're all the beast, as you say, metaphysical in terms of the expansive symbols that are, you know, that are evoked here.
00:10:14.040When you talk about you as a longtime liberal, progressive, a, you know, a lefty, suddenly you're looking at all of your friends, many of them and associates in New York primarily.
00:10:33.860And you suddenly find out that they're not quite as tolerant as you thought they were.
00:10:42.200And they're suddenly, and by the way, all of us are discovering we knew that, you know, on the right, people who are conservative really didn't like them, but didn't really hate them.
00:10:56.260I didn't have any desire to run them to ground or, or, and even in the, in the sense of Donald Trump, 2016, he wins in the rallies, they're chanting, lock her up, referring, of course, to Hillary Clinton.
00:11:10.980And you can see the president, Blanche, cringe at the very thought.
00:11:17.160And he decided upon being president, not to prosecute her, even though she was clearly guilty of a number of felonies and acts against the interests of the United States.
00:11:28.440I mean, it would have been entirely rational and some would argue still entirely appropriate.
00:11:34.680But then to see him as he steps out as this former president, and all of a sudden they've got, they are after blood, they want him imprisoned.
00:11:48.200And now Benny Thompson, the head of the J6 committee, he wants him killed.
00:11:53.060He wants to eliminate his Secret Service protection.
00:11:56.660This is ignorance of a level that I never dreamed we'd see, period.
00:12:01.460But certainly in this moment to see this happening, our children, every one of us watching this, there is no such thing as tolerance on the part of the left.
00:12:14.620Well, that's, unfortunately, that's true for the most part.
00:12:19.220I mean, obviously, you know, people on the left who are rank and file, there are many good people still who are horrified at what the leaders of the left and the leadership of the left and the policies of the left have become.
00:12:36.440But they're not very vocal, you know, because they're afraid of being canceled.
00:12:39.600So, I mean, I have a beloved relative and I'm going to go visit her.
00:12:45.680And I, you know, I was just on some major conservative personality shows and she asked me not to mention that, you know, because she doesn't want to be ousted by her little network of other liberals.
00:13:01.800And it's like, that's not, that's not the kind of liberals, that's not the liberalism that I was proud of being, you know, that was open-minded and engaged in open debate and free speech and respected that people had differences in opinions.
00:13:17.860That's a just really totalitarian version of liberalism that's really not liberalism anymore.
00:13:31.020That said, you know, as I always say at these moments, Mr. Dobbs, partisanship is never going to save us because look what happened in Congress.
00:13:39.760You know, both the Republicans and the Democrats in Congress were waving Ukrainian flags treasonously in our sacred civic space after sending billions of our tax dollars to a country that isn't a democracy, you know, and meanwhile, veterans are waiting six months to get treated for PTSD.
00:14:06.000I mean, it's not a left versus right corruption right now, although the left is particularly egregious.
00:14:13.520It really is kind of populist, patriotic nationalists realizing that genocidal maniacs who are elites are really trying to enslave and injure them.
00:14:29.480And this comes from this transcends partisanship.
00:14:34.260We're talking with Naomi Wolf facing the beast as she puts a courage, faith and resistance at a new dark age.
00:14:43.440And we're starting to get a sense of just how dark.
00:14:46.920We'll be right back with Naomi Wolf and facing the beast.
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00:17:04.240You referred to it, there's a totalitarian streak now on the left, whether it be Barack Obama.
00:17:10.720No president had ever, ever gone after journalists the way his administration did.
00:17:16.900No administration had ever dealt directly and legitimized Iran as he did.
00:17:22.340And has, he's institutionalized that legitimacy that he sought.
00:17:28.360And this president, Biden, has just completely embraced it without knowing anything about what to do when suddenly missiles and rockets and drones are flying toward their targets in Israel.
00:17:50.380I mean, this issue of who suppresses liberty.
00:17:57.080I mean, first of all, I just want to say for the record, I do still think of myself as a liberal, but, but I'm one of like three people left on the planet who are classical 19th century liberals.
00:18:06.680Because in that time it meant, you know, as I said, civil rights, equal rights, rule of law, First Amendment, freedom of speech, you know, so I do want to cling to that label.
00:18:21.180But I am an independent, I did walk away from the Democrats, just like I haven't embraced the Republicans.
00:18:27.760But, you know, this may be annoying, Mr. Dobbs, but I will always, at a moment like this, say, yes, Obama was a catastrophe in terms of civil liberties.
00:18:38.140I was one of the few journalists, maybe the only American journalist I know, to go to Guantanamo six months into his administration.
00:18:45.700He had promised, as a campaign promised, to close Guantanamo.
00:18:49.320And when I was there, they were building it up massively, building it up.
00:18:54.320He was the guy who droned American citizens.
00:18:57.240He was the first president with a kill list.
00:18:59.340I could go on and on, and I remember how frustrating it was that, even at that time, liberals didn't want to hear my warnings about that because he was our guy, right?
00:19:08.340And liberals do have this blind spot that we're good people, so we can't ever do anything that's bad, right?
00:19:16.300And there's Barack Obama with a kill list.
00:19:19.000And, you know, it was under his administration that the National Defense Authorization Act was extended that allowed the president to keep journalists or anyone without charge of trial indefinitely, which most Americans don't know.
00:19:35.920But who set the stage for that was George Bush, Jr.
00:19:39.520And in the wake of 9-11 and, you know, with the launch of the global war on terror, that's when the surveillance state really got firmly established.
00:19:50.580That's when people began to be detained, you know, unduly, without due process.
00:19:57.700That's when there were people who are critics of the administration were called subversives or extremists.
00:20:07.200Because, I mean, no one's pure in this.
00:20:11.580We've really got to understand, whatever our views are, that it's a party's not going to save us.
00:20:34.680So I just I want to agree with you that Obama was a nightmare.
00:20:39.000But I will always annoyingly point out that it's it's, you know, history shows that totalitarians on the left and fascists on the right take the same steps to suppress liberties.
00:20:51.560And yeah, if you give them a chance, they'll do it.
00:20:55.700Well, honestly, you can't offend me or worry about whether or not I would resent you bringing up George Bush, because I was blackballed over my career by two White Houses.
00:21:08.640One and all of them from 2000 to 2000.
00:21:12.460The two presidents of the 2000 decade.
00:21:15.760And that was George Bush, blackballed me, because I insisted that that he named the enemy radical Islamist rather than terror.
00:21:23.640And and Barack Obama, because I insisted on actually securing our borders, actually maintaining a lawful immigration regime and insisting that we call them what they are.
00:21:40.460Legally, the term is illegal alien and a few other offenses against the the administration.
00:21:47.580How prescient, how prescient both those positions seem now.
00:21:51.620Well, you know, I you know, I it seemed obvious, frankly, to me at the time.
00:21:56.260And and I think it did to many people.
00:22:20.600You couldn't even begin to think that the Pentagon Papers would be released by The Times or The Post if indeed they had the strictures that we do now.
00:22:31.900And that should sober everyone up quickly.
00:22:37.440And people don't want to admit that our government lied to them from the 50s on, particularly the CIA, about what was Vietnam and that sad, tragic course that had followed.
00:22:49.900But it was pure deceit on the part of the government, a deceit that I think is still well in place and invigorated.
00:23:00.760I actually thought you were going to go back to I was braced for it that you were going to go back to President Lincoln in suspending habeas corpus during the Civil War.
00:23:16.920I didn't know until I was, you know, well past when I should have learned about it, that there was a coup attempt in the in the in the 40s, I believe, by a group of very respected American businessmen who admired what was going on.
00:23:50.420You know, I think we're in a time and it relates to themes in the book when the scales are really falling from our eyes.
00:23:55.940And, you know, I miss the pre-2020 time when I believed that even though there were some bad apples, most journalists were trying to tell the truth.
00:24:07.040The Washington Post and The New York Times were trying to do a first a reasonable first draft of history.
00:24:12.360I believe that, you know, sure, there was corruption, but most of our institutions were solid.
00:24:18.160Our hospitals wouldn't try to murder people.
00:24:20.520Our schools wouldn't be abusing children.
00:24:22.420And then all of that got inverted in 2020 and, you know, to the present.
00:24:28.200And I really do think we're in a time this relates to the metaphysical nature of the time we're in, where literally all around us, history we thought we knew turns out to be a sham.
00:24:39.560We see the erasure of history happening before our eyes right now and the reinscribing of new false histories, you know, happening in real time.
00:24:48.060And we see that we can't trust the science.
00:24:54.600We can't trust the schools wanted to suffocate our children and keep them from learning language and, you know, remotely educate them because they've been bribed, you know, on and on and on.
00:25:04.520So, yeah, it's not new, but I do think we're we're seeing the depth of it in a uniquely transparent way right now for reasons I can't explain in normal terms.
00:25:19.060We are a nation now in great duress, distress.
00:25:25.820We are a nation that is at a historical point.
00:25:30.740You know, the easy statement is it's an inflection point.
00:25:35.140We don't know what this is, but we do know that we've been destabilized as a society and a nation to such an extent that Barack Obama can, with his Marxist friends, brag about achieving what he intended.
00:25:52.240And that was, as he announced, the fundamental transformation of America.
00:25:56.700We just have to be sure that we can find some constraint against how far that that transformation goes, fundamental or otherwise.
00:26:06.840Naomi Wolf, thank you for being with us here.